a small tip for sneak attack. you don't necessary need advantage for sneak attack. the other requirement is to have party members in 1.5m range and that party member isn't necessary tav or companions, minions count as well. the problem, rogue is likely the first to attack due to high dex, how can you have party member close to the target? that's why we get shovel at act1. he's a quasit and he can cast invis free of cost. let he stay invis permantly and he won't get in combat mode and free to move anywhere.
Honestly when I started okaying BG3, I wasn't interested in multi-classing at all. But over time that changed, and it really opened up the game for me. So guides like these are invaluable: thanks.
Amazingly interesting series! Especially for classes (like rogue) that are most often just used for a dip so you don't see too many multiclass "guides" that focus on that class first and whichever options can complement them second.
The main reason I think is because the extra sneak attack damage roll is just not that enticing at the end. Extra 1 or 2 d6 dice vs what other classes offer is not enough imho
These videos remind me of the Dungeon Dudes videos about multi-classing for the tabletop game. Rogue works fairly well with most classes especially if you want skills.
how could not talk about the the lvl10 rogue and lvl2 wizard but in illusion school. with that you gain cast improved minor illusion as a bonus action and goes really well with thief subclass. also when go get the ring that makes it so you can’t be blinded, you can cast fog and just sit in it and range attack. all while still getting 3 feats.
Love this videos on multiclass, i can't wait the one for druid even if i understand that circle of moon is very difficult to multiclass if not impossible
Go 2 Fighter for Action Surge burst damage once per short rest. Works well with Air Myrmidons Electrifying Flail which can inflict 2 turn stun and triple atk at lv10. You would need to use it as a human before using your Bonus Action to transform.
Watching Asterion turn into a wolf made my day!! 😂 it was something I needed to see but never thought about. Vampire Dire wolf 😳😁 I could see his character being happy about that ability 😂
One thing I'll bring up and I know he knows this, this one is more about what you get or don't get from multiclassing each one, but the ring of risk I believe it's called in moonrise that's sold by the drow is insanely worth it on rogues since it pretty much always gives you advantage.
I was reluctant to use this at first, due to getting disadvantage on all saving throws. BUUUUT, since I've been using it, I would never take it off now. My rogue also has the Savage Attacks feat, which means basically always has Advantage on attack rolls, AND always has Advantage on *damage* rolls.
@@TheYuleTube I know they nerfed dual crossbows but even then, its still insane. My Astarion is thief gloomstalker. dual crossbow. Still melts targets.
@@taylornowa8252 100%. My Tav is pure Rogue, not even any Gloom. 2 daggers, and 2 hand crossbows, 2 bonus actions. With that ring, anything I am pointed at just does not last.
These videos are incredibly helpful, especially as a new player. I would love a video explaining how to reliably use hide/sneak attack with rogue in combat (aside from having a companion within 1.5m). I find it very difficult to reliably take advantage of sneak attack despite using “hide” outside of enemies red cone of vision. Thanks for all of your help!
Rogue/Bard is actually deceptively strong. Thief is really the only multiclass to consider with the two, because the extra bonus action is what really sets the action economy over the top. Thief 6/Lore 6 gives you a ton of versatility, and really lets you skill monkey your way through the whole game with the absolute pile of proficiencies and expertise that you accumulate. Not to mention giving yourself the opportunity to pick up Counterspell and Haste (and to a lesser degree Misty Step, but lots of gear makes this available) is a massive upgrade in power. The martial Bards are a bit interesting. Valour being the slightly worse of the two, really only offers a Shield proficiency as it's standout feature, which really isn't terrible. However, the Flourishes from Swords I think really offer much more impactful utility, and defensive flourish even exceeds what a shield can offer in terms of raw AC. As far as leveling goes, this may be controversial, but I think going to Bard 6 is actually a waste. The extra third level spells choices don't really matter much, since without Magical Secrets the base selection is pretty underwhelming. The extra attack is also not that useful, since unlike other Martials, you only get a single nova off your sneak attack per turn. Because of this, going Thief 7/Martial Bard 5 seems a bit more optimized for both your attack action, and general awesomeness of getting Evasion. It also needs to be stated, that either multiclass option is really pushed up when you acquire the Band of the Mystic Scoundrel. This item greatly amplifies your combat potential in a way that's hard to fully realize until you put it into action.
Rogue theif/sword Bard can solo a lot of them game. Hold person or command can lock down a few enemies and you use special arrows, like the multi-hit one and can do quite a bit of damage. There's a gear item that lets you cast them as a bonus action.
Did you forget about Reliable Talent? In several of the breakpoints, you don’t mention losing it when going 10/2. Reliable Talent is one of the best abilities for a party face or utility character. It’s like a whole other game.
For roleplaying purposes I went with 5 gloomstalker, 6 assassin and 1 druid. The ability to play as a small rat to get the lay of the land and slip through cracks is invalueable.
I wish Magical Ambush could be unlocked at a lower level, maybe at 7 and it would have been a tad bit better. 9 Rogue / 3 Wizard seems such a low dip to expand the spellcasting side of things from Wizard.
There's a badass rapier in Act 3 that gives you a bonus attack every turn for free as long as you're not dual wielding. I've been trying to find the right multiclass to pair this end-game weapon with, but nothing feels right. I don't want more than two levels of the other class because the skill check bonus at lvl 10 is game changing.
Want to be an deadly assassin, go multiclass with ranger gloom stalker. Want to be a ninja, go with monk. I prefer a Bard/rogue for Astarion, just to hear him mock enemy ❤
Rogue barbarian was one of my most anticipated multiclass to play but, gear spoiler warning, the risky ring kinda makes reckless obsolete, or redundant at the very least. So early game reckless sneak attack is good but later on it’s not necessary imo
So when assessing Rogue/Bard I take it we're ignoring the Swords Bard / Thief 6/6 dual-class that does insane damage with twin hand crossbows? 2 main-hand attacks with double attacks and extra damage from Slashing Flourish or just extra damage from Sneak Attack, then 2 off-hand attacks with two weapon fighting style, with all the usual hand crossbow boosts building up over 4-6 attacks in a turn? Certainly better than a C+ for that build alone I think. The spells are really just a bonus, though it does take care of needing a utility caster in the party, so you can make do with a 14 Charisma.
how would you lay the abilitie stats on it if you go 14 charisma? i want to try thief 3 or 4/ swordbard 6 and maybe Ranger 2 or 3 or pally 2 or fighter 2 but mainly a duelwield with big weapons. or am i still stuck using finesse weapons?
@@irondisciple2984 Stats for my L12 build: Str 10, Dex 20, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 14 (16 with the +2 Charisma hat). I used shortswords for rare times when melee happened, since you can disengage as a bonus action, and mostly used 2 light crossbows as the weapons. Used the two feats for ability improvements for Dex but could equally have gone with 18 Dex and Alert feat. If you wanted to go with a triple class you'll need the Bard to 6 for extra attack and Thief at least to 3 for the extra bonus action; could got ot 4 for a feat if you wanted to go for 2 levels of Fighter for Action Surge and Shield proficiency which is useful to get if you want a better AC.
This’ll obviously make more sense for the Sorcerer video, but 9 Sorcerer with 3 Rogue (just to get Thief) is incredibly powerful and the utility is through the roof. I think Storm is the best one for this.
@@pinkwaferlover Probably flying for the most part, since Storm Sorcerers can use their bonus action to fly on any turn where they cast a leveled spell.
@@normal6483still not a whole necessary thing imho. You can fly with normal bonus action. Sure from time to time you need to cast quickening spell but it does not come a lot in my own experience where I need to do bonus fly every turn
@@pinkwaferlover You can cast two spells and still have room for flight or to dash away. Or do all that and hide too if you have the movement to go behind a wall or something. One of my favorite turns is using quickened call lightning, then using it again without a slot as an action, then flying away if you need (or even teleporting if you’re in huge trouble). Same for other spells like that.
I find myself in a bit of a pickle choosing how to go with my multiclass. I'm basically playing BG3 as a stealth game right now, so the out of combat advantages of assassin are very important, but arguably of equal importance is being able to cast illusion to draw enemies away from each other to take them out quietly (and hopefully quickly). Invisibility looked very appealing and I hate being spotted with dark vision, so I went with warlock to get greater invisibility and devil's sight to try and counter it. Problem is I'm not sure that's the best way to do things for my playstyle, on top of the fact that this overview basically says that the magic classes are only any good with arcane trickster. So I feel kind of stuck.
I'm stuck too, I don't know where I should go as far as subclasses, I also want my main character to be a Rogue(duel wielding) that's good with bows which I have down so far, I'm only level 3, but I'm stuck on the level up screen cause I have to make a decision for all of my characters.
I would love to see a druid multiclass option... it's a bit pointless but maybe there are some good combinations. I just fall in love with moon druid and I'm looking for inspiration for 2 lvls over 10 to make it even more powerful
I've seen good arguments for 1 white dragon Sorcerer + 10 moon druid + 1 war cleric. You can look up a more detailed "guide" for this build on r/BG3Builds (author is u/Andraste_au_Dali) - not gonna put a link here because youtube doesn't seem to like that.
10 Moon Druid / 2 Fightet with Gloves of Martial Exertion and consume Elixer of Bloodlust at the start of your rest. You can have someone Haste you or drink a Speed Potion before a big encounter. Use Action Surge and Martial Exertion as a human and then use your Bonus Action to transform. Hasted, this will give you 10 attacks. 13 if you kill an enemy. I recommend Air Myrmidon as the best Wild Shape form due to 2 turn stun in hit and Fly (Earth Myrmidon can't fly unfortunately).
@@MajesticFerret that's seems very good. I would think about some 11lvl of full caster so my druid would have access to summon a myrmidon. Maybe 2 lvl evocation wizard? So I could blast a bit out of wild shape.
@marekw7562 2 levels of Wizard is solid as well if you want more summons and you can keep your lv6 spellslot. There's a scroll that a lot of people miss called the Sights of Seelie: Summon Deva that is hidden in the vaults of Sorcerous Sundries that let's you summon a Deva for only a lv5 spellslot that will also improve the Druids dmg output. And of course, making your Druid be the one to read the Necromancy of Thay and Thaycratic book let's you learn Danse Macabre, which gives you 4 Ghouls which helps with dmg output/cc as well.
You keep comparing all the spellcaster options to going Arcane Trickster and generally saying a spellcaster rogue is better off going Arcane Trickster. But AT is just gimped and honestly bad in the game currently. Mage Hand Legerdemain doesn't work, neither as advertised in the game description nor when compared to 5E RAW. You can't use it to lockpick steal etc. That's the whole flavor (or class action) of the subclass and without it you really are better off just doing some research on a spellcaster multiclass build for a rogue if you want to be a Spellthief. If you're a rogue with high charisma sorc bard warlock works great. Gloomstalker/Thief with high wis and Ranger magic works well too. Of course if you want a more traditional Arcane Trickster Spellthief type, just multiclass into thief / wizard and trade the gimped AT Mage Hand Legerdemain for extra bonus actions as thief, and the ability to prepare spells and learn scrolls as wiz... AT is 1/3 spellcaster without the bonus action of thief. In actual DnD they make up for that with the flavor and utility of the Mage Hand Legerdemain. Without a properly working Mage Hand Legerdemain; literally anything is a better option for a spellcaster rogue build. I know this game is about the roleplay not builds, but the Mage Hand Legerdemain is 90% of the roleplay of the Arcane Trickster, ie how you find creative ways to use the hand. It really is just a bad subclass without that flavor and ability. You can even take the regular Mage Hand as a wiz cantrip and other than not being permanent it has the exact same level of utility.... I respeced as Thief Wiz and have had much more utility being able to swap and prepare spells at will when out of combat, and the bonus thief actions make him much better in combat. Would recommend over Arcane Trickster for both combat and roleplaying purposes for any players looking to make a "Spellthief" style.
Really good video. Getting 16 wis isn't hard for a non-face rogue, so cleric is a more viable choice than I think you give it credit for if you want divine casting on your rogue. I appreciate your effort to make druid look viable, but druid just gets hurt by rogue and doesn't give anything but flavor to it. It's a good 1 level dip on any class for a discount with Aaron the merchant, and to save Kagha and get a reward, but you'd re-spec out fairly early. Arcane Trickster has a valuable level 9 skill, impose disadvantage on saves when casting from hiding, Since replacement spells are from full wizard list now, this subclass isn't complete garbage as a flavor choice, but still only good for flavor. If the mage hand could at least reinvis, it might be legitimately good, cause a semi-permanent mage hand that doesn't aggro would be useful. EK is not a bad choice with a dual-wielding rogue, especially since you need the 2w fighting style now for both melee and ranged. You could primarily play ranged with x-bows, but all daggers have the thrown property, and there are some unique effects you could apply. Not your usual attack, but let's say you equip the sussur dagger as an example. It's available before you start seeing arcane interference arrows. Don't even need TB, cause it wouldn't be your normal attack. Round goes like this. throw dagger for (pick your effect), action surge, normal SA/ranged stuff or retry applying effect. Put the generally useless str club in your offhand for a good to hit chance when you do throw, and you've got a build, As a bonus you get some utility spell casting. So EK with Assassin or thief. Silly with AT, but AT is silly. Granted, the strategy could be better used on a real EK throwing build, but it wouldn't be horrible for a rogue. There are many times when you're blocked or just out of range from SA, where a throw would work and probably do better than a normal bow attack as an action. Monk is a bad choice for rogue, You don't get enough without monk being the better choice. 1 level for dexterous offhand choices with a level of fighter for 2w fighting style might be ok for melee. You can't SA with offhand as far as I know, so it opens up light weapons that aren't finesse in the offhand, or pretty much anything in offhand with dual-wield feat. Rogue is a good choice for monk. Looking forward to your monk video. 1 level of sorcerer for tempestuous magic is good. Any more for sorcerer might be ok for a 9/3 AT, but wizard makes more sense for more. Warlock is pretty bad. You drop dex (ranged attacks). Your logic on wizard is solid, but only for AT.
For Warlock-Rogue, the evocation Devil Sight allows you to see through magical darkness. Any melee enemies will be bl8nded by the darkness granting the advantage needed to sneak attack, Aldo inflicting disadvantage to avoid being hit. Ranged enemies tend to wait outside, but you get "attacking from shadows" for the advantage you need there too Sometimes they game won't retrigger that condition unless you move or hide between attacks You get the evocation at Warlock 2, and at Warlock 3 you can cast the darkness yourself. No charisma investment required for this tactic. See spells below for charisma free spell selection Select Mage Armor for the other evocation, minor illusion, mage hand, or blade ward for the cantrip, and for spells sleep, expedious retreat, and/or hex (for times darkness wont work) Yes, you give up 1 or 2 d6 sneak attack, but darkness benefits make for a similar trade-off to reckless attack, but without the risk
Does it matter what order you take levels? I'd like to go thief/battle master. Does it matter which level i take my first fighter level? I want the rogue for outside combat, lockpick, ect, and the fighter for combat. Cheers, everyone.
You missed a major advantage of 3+ Warlock: Darkness + Devil Sight. IMO so good its broken. So I don't use it, but some may like it and it should be pointed out.
I love in depth games like this but the one problem is, it can be overwhelming to make a decision because you don't know which way you should go for what your trying to do maybe somebody can help me, I want a dual wielding thief that has good attack as well as range but also has magic, so far I've gotten to dual-wielding down and I have the short bow & in loving it, I just want to be able to attack multiple times as well as use a little bit of magic, like offensive magic spells maybe like Gale or something, So like ice blast or thunder wave or something like that, any bit of info is appreciated thank you.
In my current playthrough Astarion is Lvl. 11 (5 Gloom Stalker Ranger/4 Thief Rogue/2 Fighter) dual wielding Hand Crossbows. With Patch 4 having nerfed Hand Crossbows (probably justified), I'm considering respecting to 3 Assassin Rogue/4 Battle Master Fighter. Has anyone used this build, and, if so, what Bow did you use, and how would you rate it compared to the alternatives? Good review.
4/6/2 Thief/Sword Bard/Fighter. Sword bard get two weapon fighting style and fighter can get archery. Lacking misty step maybe a problem, but not so a big problem, there's a lot equips with misty step/fly/etc or just simply take the half-ceremorphosis form. Or even just do 4/6/1/1 rogue/bard/fighter/wiz and get int to 14, so you can prepare misty step, haste and shield.
@@stefenleung flourish is not a thing you can spam all day tho, one action surge then you out of inspiration charges. if go raw dmg gloom stalker assassin is more stable, maybe pure ranger hunter, for melee it would be shadow monk assassin. i think the best build for sword bard is debuff control, fast arcane acuity stack for 100% hold person / hold monster then your paladin/fighter bang every bosses in 1 turn.
you might consider 7 thief/5 hunter, with horde breaker speciality. it is much more brawler style than blaster but it is thematically accurate and quite powerfull. or 5 thief/5 hunter/2 fighter thus got 2 fighting styles, action surge, but a bit lower sneak attack bonus. i really like horde breaker skill, it's not broken OP but with a bit of CC you can pull it off quite often
that's correct but so do any "damage" builds. they all speak "burst" damage. it's also true you wont need 2nd turn for the most fights. also I dont think gloom stalker assassin is different tho. you only do damage on the first round. @@theonewhoknocks203
Question I am currently stuck between 2 different options: 1.rouge:assassin and monk:way of open hand or way of the four elements 2.rouge:assassin ranger:hunter any suggestions on which of those I should pick?
you can... you can smite with finesse weapon, just mark "ask" in reaction tab for "sneak attack", provide advantage for smite by any means like the risky ring or attacking prone enemy and here you go... 2d8 radiant + 4d6 sneak + whatever you use on weapon. in act 3 you can buy a dancing breeze from one dragonborn that is the only 2-handed finesse weapon in the game, thus you can add a feat for +10 dmg... have a blast my friend.
@@raissaliebmann0Running a new Durge run, currently 4 rogue/3 ranger, but this is still the plan. Doing a 3 man squad (co-op plus minthara) on Balanced, in act 2, game is really easy atm. Overall, yeah im having fun lol
I'm glad you're having fun :D at the moment I'm with Rogue 3/Hunter 2 and it's really quite peaceful. After the update I thought I took less damage, but it continues to help a lot @@ttungstenn4842
Can you actually go up to lvl 3 Rogue to get Assassin then lvls 4, 5 & 6 Ranger to get Gloomstalker and then go back to lvling up Rogue again or are you stuck with Ranger once you switch classes the first time?
You can go back and forth with whatever levels you want or even add additional classes. I will say 3 ranger/9 rogue isn't a good split. I'd rather get the feat with a 4 ranger/8 rogue split or if giving up that feat with 5 ranger you get the extra attack and extra attack is HUGE.
@@RafaelSilva-qz3osYes, how dare he do my Thief + College of Lore combo like that ? Just a skill monkey ? Excuse you, I'm not just a skill monkey, I'm a tried and true skill ape, I can go to about any skill check and ask my party members to "step aside, let professionals handle it"
@@sephikong8323 hahaahaha niceee combo. But i was talking about Swords bard + assassin rogue. Thats is near x4 times dmg per turn, no consumables, compared to only rougue. If melee is your preference, then Gloom/Assassin/Paladin is the best
@duonggdat I'm using the ring that stops a toon going Blind ever. The cloak that trips Fog when disengaging, and the amulet of misty step, with the hood and knife that lower the number needed for a crit, plus the illithid power Luck of the Far Realm.
"In my opinion" ... "in my opinion" ... "in my opinion" ... "in my opinion" ... ugh. Loved the analysis, gave me a lot to think about for multiclassing Rogue, my favourite class. But damn. Your constant repeating of this phrase ("in my opinion") made it a chore to get thru and was really distracting, eyes rolling to the back of my head when I wanted to focus on your points. Isn't it obvious that this is _your_ opinion given that you are the person who is making this video? How many times must you remind us?
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a small tip for sneak attack. you don't necessary need advantage for sneak attack. the other requirement is to have party members in 1.5m range and that party member isn't necessary tav or companions, minions count as well. the problem, rogue is likely the first to attack due to high dex, how can you have party member close to the target? that's why we get shovel at act1. he's a quasit and he can cast invis free of cost. let he stay invis permantly and he won't get in combat mode and free to move anywhere.
regular imp from chain warlock can do this as well
Does this work with mage hand?
It should be, but I can't know for sure. But why care? you won't want to waste a action to cast magic hand in combat. @@kefir3143
@@kefir3143I was going to ask the same question but with spiritual weapon from a cleric
Yes @@kefir3143
Rogue with Gloomstalker is super nice thematically as well as in gameplay. Shadow Monk can also be really cool
shadow monk as a rouge subclass?
@@dayo415 multiclass for free sneak attacks and darkness/teleportation
@@dayo415multiclass, as the theme of the video
The fact there’s so many different outcomes to situations, makes this so replayable and immersive. I absolutely love this one. 💞✌😊👍
Honestly when I started okaying BG3, I wasn't interested in multi-classing at all. But over time that changed, and it really opened up the game for me. So guides like these are invaluable: thanks.
Same
Amazingly interesting series!
Especially for classes (like rogue) that are most often just used for a dip so you don't see too many multiclass "guides" that focus on that class first and whichever options can complement them second.
The main reason I think is because the extra sneak attack damage roll is just not that enticing at the end. Extra 1 or 2 d6 dice vs what other classes offer is not enough imho
Yes, sir! Another excellent excellent analysis! Look forward to all of them. :-)
These videos remind me of the Dungeon Dudes videos about multi-classing for the tabletop game. Rogue works fairly well with most classes especially if you want skills.
how could not talk about the the lvl10 rogue and lvl2 wizard but in illusion school. with that you gain cast improved minor illusion as a bonus action and goes really well with thief subclass. also when go get the ring that makes it so you can’t be blinded, you can cast fog and just sit in it and range attack. all while still getting 3 feats.
Love this videos on multiclass, i can't wait the one for druid even if i understand that circle of moon is very difficult to multiclass if not impossible
Go 2 Fighter for Action Surge burst damage once per short rest. Works well with Air Myrmidons Electrifying Flail which can inflict 2 turn stun and triple atk at lv10. You would need to use it as a human before using your Bonus Action to transform.
Watching Asterion turn into a wolf made my day!! 😂 it was something I needed to see but never thought about. Vampire Dire wolf 😳😁 I could see his character being happy about that ability 😂
One thing I'll bring up and I know he knows this, this one is more about what you get or don't get from multiclassing each one, but the ring of risk I believe it's called in moonrise that's sold by the drow is insanely worth it on rogues since it pretty much always gives you advantage.
I was reluctant to use this at first, due to getting disadvantage on all saving throws. BUUUUT, since I've been using it, I would never take it off now. My rogue also has the Savage Attacks feat, which means basically always has Advantage on attack rolls, AND always has Advantage on *damage* rolls.
@@TheYuleTube I know they nerfed dual crossbows but even then, its still insane. My Astarion is thief gloomstalker. dual crossbow. Still melts targets.
@@taylornowa8252 100%. My Tav is pure Rogue, not even any Gloom. 2 daggers, and 2 hand crossbows, 2 bonus actions. With that ring, anything I am pointed at just does not last.
These videos are incredibly helpful, especially as a new player. I would love a video explaining how to reliably use hide/sneak attack with rogue in combat (aside from having a companion within 1.5m). I find it very difficult to reliably take advantage of sneak attack despite using “hide” outside of enemies red cone of vision. Thanks for all of your help!
Rogue/Bard is actually deceptively strong. Thief is really the only multiclass to consider with the two, because the extra bonus action is what really sets the action economy over the top. Thief 6/Lore 6 gives you a ton of versatility, and really lets you skill monkey your way through the whole game with the absolute pile of proficiencies and expertise that you accumulate. Not to mention giving yourself the opportunity to pick up Counterspell and Haste (and to a lesser degree Misty Step, but lots of gear makes this available) is a massive upgrade in power. The martial Bards are a bit interesting. Valour being the slightly worse of the two, really only offers a Shield proficiency as it's standout feature, which really isn't terrible. However, the Flourishes from Swords I think really offer much more impactful utility, and defensive flourish even exceeds what a shield can offer in terms of raw AC. As far as leveling goes, this may be controversial, but I think going to Bard 6 is actually a waste. The extra third level spells choices don't really matter much, since without Magical Secrets the base selection is pretty underwhelming. The extra attack is also not that useful, since unlike other Martials, you only get a single nova off your sneak attack per turn. Because of this, going Thief 7/Martial Bard 5 seems a bit more optimized for both your attack action, and general awesomeness of getting Evasion. It also needs to be stated, that either multiclass option is really pushed up when you acquire the Band of the Mystic Scoundrel. This item greatly amplifies your combat potential in a way that's hard to fully realize until you put it into action.
Rogue theif/sword Bard can solo a lot of them game. Hold person or command can lock down a few enemies and you use special arrows, like the multi-hit one and can do quite a bit of damage. There's a gear item that lets you cast them as a bonus action.
DAMN SIR that was a fantastic video and very refreshing choices! Barbarian and Warlock Rogue sounds fun
Did you forget about Reliable Talent? In several of the breakpoints, you don’t mention losing it when going 10/2. Reliable Talent is one of the best abilities for a party face or utility character. It’s like a whole other game.
For roleplaying purposes I went with 5 gloomstalker, 6 assassin and 1 druid. The ability to play as a small rat to get the lay of the land and slip through cracks is invalueable.
I wish Magical Ambush could be unlocked at a lower level, maybe at 7 and it would have been a tad bit better. 9 Rogue / 3 Wizard seems such a low dip to expand the spellcasting side of things from Wizard.
There's a badass rapier in Act 3 that gives you a bonus attack every turn for free as long as you're not dual wielding. I've been trying to find the right multiclass to pair this end-game weapon with, but nothing feels right. I don't want more than two levels of the other class because the skill check bonus at lvl 10 is game changing.
good videos, i will watch all the multi classing videos when you release them
Another amazing video that is so helpful to learning how to make your own builds.
rogue 7/ranger 5. The hunter's mark, the extra attack and the agility bonus for off-hand weapon overballances the loss of +2d6 sneak attack.
Best bdg3 series so far , icredible useful
Want to be an deadly assassin, go multiclass with ranger gloom stalker. Want to be a ninja, go with monk. I prefer a Bard/rogue for Astarion, just to hear him mock enemy ❤
Going 6 fighter is not as bad as you suggest bc you also pick up an extra feat from fighter at that point
This is what I'm figuring to do. Going 6 Rogue 6 Fighter.
Rogue barbarian was one of my most anticipated multiclass to play but, gear spoiler warning, the risky ring kinda makes reckless obsolete, or redundant at the very least. So early game reckless sneak attack is good but later on it’s not necessary imo
So when assessing Rogue/Bard I take it we're ignoring the Swords Bard / Thief 6/6 dual-class that does insane damage with twin hand crossbows? 2 main-hand attacks with double attacks and extra damage from Slashing Flourish or just extra damage from Sneak Attack, then 2 off-hand attacks with two weapon fighting style, with all the usual hand crossbow boosts building up over 4-6 attacks in a turn? Certainly better than a C+ for that build alone I think. The spells are really just a bonus, though it does take care of needing a utility caster in the party, so you can make do with a 14 Charisma.
how would you lay the abilitie stats on it if you go 14 charisma? i want to try thief 3 or 4/ swordbard 6 and maybe Ranger 2 or 3 or pally 2 or fighter 2 but mainly a duelwield with big weapons. or am i still stuck using finesse weapons?
@@irondisciple2984 Stats for my L12 build: Str 10, Dex 20, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 14 (16 with the +2 Charisma hat).
I used shortswords for rare times when melee happened, since you can disengage as a bonus action, and mostly used 2 light crossbows as the weapons. Used the two feats for ability improvements for Dex but could equally have gone with 18 Dex and Alert feat.
If you wanted to go with a triple class you'll need the Bard to 6 for extra attack and Thief at least to 3 for the extra bonus action; could got ot 4 for a feat if you wanted to go for 2 levels of Fighter for Action Surge and Shield proficiency which is useful to get if you want a better AC.
This’ll obviously make more sense for the Sorcerer video, but 9 Sorcerer with 3 Rogue (just to get Thief) is incredibly powerful and the utility is through the roof. I think Storm is the best one for this.
What are you doing with your bonus actions?
@@pinkwaferlover Probably flying for the most part, since Storm Sorcerers can use their bonus action to fly on any turn where they cast a leveled spell.
@@normal6483still not a whole necessary thing imho. You can fly with normal bonus action. Sure from time to time you need to cast quickening spell but it does not come a lot in my own experience where I need to do bonus fly every turn
@@pinkwaferlover You can cast two spells and still have room for flight or to dash away. Or do all that and hide too if you have the movement to go behind a wall or something.
One of my favorite turns is using quickened call lightning, then using it again without a slot as an action, then flying away if you need (or even teleporting if you’re in huge trouble). Same for other spells like that.
I'd expect that to be covered under the Sorcerer guide given it's primarily Sorcerer levels adding some Rogue elements
love these videos, keep them up ❤
8 fighter/4 rogue. The extra feat on fighter is fantastic. Unless you have the level 20 mod. Then 12 rogue/4 ranger/4 bard is fun.
Started a pally/sorc multi class after your last vid
I find myself in a bit of a pickle choosing how to go with my multiclass.
I'm basically playing BG3 as a stealth game right now, so the out of combat advantages of assassin are very important, but arguably of equal importance is being able to cast illusion to draw enemies away from each other to take them out quietly (and hopefully quickly).
Invisibility looked very appealing and I hate being spotted with dark vision, so I went with warlock to get greater invisibility and devil's sight to try and counter it.
Problem is I'm not sure that's the best way to do things for my playstyle, on top of the fact that this overview basically says that the magic classes are only any good with arcane trickster. So I feel kind of stuck.
I'm stuck too, I don't know where I should go as far as subclasses, I also want my main character to be a Rogue(duel wielding) that's good with bows which I have down so far, I'm only level 3, but I'm stuck on the level up screen cause I have to make a decision for all of my characters.
I had a lot of fun doing a Assassin and college of awards bard. Minimal magic but when I hit I HIT.
Loving your guides
I personally like to multiclass mattis cloak with 3 lv in thief and thinking now about countering only sharits and diablos
Swords Bard 6
Thief Rogue
Gloomstalker Ranger
Dual hand xbows 6 arrows/turn
Stack Drakethroat Glaive, Snowburst, Winter’s Clutches
Your content is BRILLIANT! 😎👍
I would love to see a druid multiclass option... it's a bit pointless but maybe there are some good combinations. I just fall in love with moon druid and I'm looking for inspiration for 2 lvls over 10 to make it even more powerful
Way of Open Hand 6/ Spores Druid 6
War Cleric 7/ Land Druid 5 (for Haste) and Land Stride
Wild Heart Barbarian 5/ Moon Druid 7
I've seen good arguments for 1 white dragon Sorcerer + 10 moon druid + 1 war cleric.
You can look up a more detailed "guide" for this build on r/BG3Builds (author is u/Andraste_au_Dali) - not gonna put a link here because youtube doesn't seem to like that.
10 Moon Druid / 2 Fightet with Gloves of Martial Exertion and consume Elixer of Bloodlust at the start of your rest.
You can have someone Haste you or drink a Speed Potion before a big encounter.
Use Action Surge and Martial Exertion as a human and then use your Bonus Action to transform. Hasted, this will give you 10 attacks. 13 if you kill an enemy. I recommend Air Myrmidon as the best Wild Shape form due to 2 turn stun in hit and Fly (Earth Myrmidon can't fly unfortunately).
@@MajesticFerret that's seems very good. I would think about some 11lvl of full caster so my druid would have access to summon a myrmidon. Maybe 2 lvl evocation wizard? So I could blast a bit out of wild shape.
@marekw7562 2 levels of Wizard is solid as well if you want more summons and you can keep your lv6 spellslot. There's a scroll that a lot of people miss called the Sights of Seelie: Summon Deva that is hidden in the vaults of Sorcerous Sundries that let's you summon a Deva for only a lv5 spellslot that will also improve the Druids dmg output. And of course, making your Druid be the one to read the Necromancy of Thay and Thaycratic book let's you learn Danse Macabre, which gives you 4 Ghouls which helps with dmg output/cc as well.
I usually respec Shadowheart to be Rog1/ClrX because I find Astarion obnoxious to roll with. 😬
Sorry, Neil. You did too good a job!
You keep comparing all the spellcaster options to going Arcane Trickster and generally saying a spellcaster rogue is better off going Arcane Trickster. But AT is just gimped and honestly bad in the game currently. Mage Hand Legerdemain doesn't work, neither as advertised in the game description nor when compared to 5E RAW. You can't use it to lockpick steal etc.
That's the whole flavor (or class action) of the subclass and without it you really are better off just doing some research on a spellcaster multiclass build for a rogue if you want to be a Spellthief.
If you're a rogue with high charisma sorc bard warlock works great.
Gloomstalker/Thief with high wis and Ranger magic works well too.
Of course if you want a more traditional Arcane Trickster Spellthief type, just multiclass into thief / wizard and trade the gimped AT Mage Hand Legerdemain for extra bonus actions as thief, and the ability to prepare spells and learn scrolls as wiz...
AT is 1/3 spellcaster without the bonus action of thief. In actual DnD they make up for that with the flavor and utility of the Mage Hand Legerdemain. Without a properly working Mage Hand Legerdemain; literally anything is a better option for a spellcaster rogue build. I know this game is about the roleplay not builds, but the Mage Hand Legerdemain is 90% of the roleplay of the Arcane Trickster, ie how you find creative ways to use the hand. It really is just a bad subclass without that flavor and ability. You can even take the regular Mage Hand as a wiz cantrip and other than not being permanent it has the exact same level of utility.... I respeced as Thief Wiz and have had much more utility being able to swap and prepare spells at will when out of combat, and the bonus thief actions make him much better in combat. Would recommend over Arcane Trickster for both combat and roleplaying purposes for any players looking to make a "Spellthief" style.
Really good video. Getting 16 wis isn't hard for a non-face rogue, so cleric is a more viable choice than I think you give it credit for if you want divine casting on your rogue. I appreciate your effort to make druid look viable, but druid just gets hurt by rogue and doesn't give anything but flavor to it. It's a good 1 level dip on any class for a discount with Aaron the merchant, and to save Kagha and get a reward, but you'd re-spec out fairly early.
Arcane Trickster has a valuable level 9 skill, impose disadvantage on saves when casting from hiding, Since replacement spells are from full wizard list now, this subclass isn't complete garbage as a flavor choice, but still only good for flavor. If the mage hand could at least reinvis, it might be legitimately good, cause a semi-permanent mage hand that doesn't aggro would be useful.
EK is not a bad choice with a dual-wielding rogue, especially since you need the 2w fighting style now for both melee and ranged. You could primarily play ranged with x-bows, but all daggers have the thrown property, and there are some unique effects you could apply. Not your usual attack, but let's say you equip the sussur dagger as an example. It's available before you start seeing arcane interference arrows. Don't even need TB, cause it wouldn't be your normal attack. Round goes like this. throw dagger for (pick your effect), action surge, normal SA/ranged stuff or retry applying effect. Put the generally useless str club in your offhand for a good to hit chance when you do throw, and you've got a build, As a bonus you get some utility spell casting. So EK with Assassin or thief. Silly with AT, but AT is silly. Granted, the strategy could be better used on a real EK throwing build, but it wouldn't be horrible for a rogue. There are many times when you're blocked or just out of range from SA, where a throw would work and probably do better than a normal bow attack as an action.
Monk is a bad choice for rogue, You don't get enough without monk being the better choice. 1 level for dexterous offhand choices with a level of fighter for 2w fighting style might be ok for melee. You can't SA with offhand as far as I know, so it opens up light weapons that aren't finesse in the offhand, or pretty much anything in offhand with dual-wield feat.
Rogue is a good choice for monk. Looking forward to your monk video.
1 level of sorcerer for tempestuous magic is good. Any more for sorcerer might be ok for a 9/3 AT, but wizard makes more sense for more. Warlock is pretty bad. You drop dex (ranged attacks). Your logic on wizard is solid, but only for AT.
For Warlock-Rogue, the evocation Devil Sight allows you to see through magical darkness.
Any melee enemies will be bl8nded by the darkness granting the advantage needed to sneak attack, Aldo inflicting disadvantage to avoid being hit.
Ranged enemies tend to wait outside, but you get "attacking from shadows" for the advantage you need there too
Sometimes they game won't retrigger that condition unless you move or hide between attacks
You get the evocation at Warlock 2, and at Warlock 3 you can cast the darkness yourself.
No charisma investment required for this tactic. See spells below for charisma free spell selection
Select Mage Armor for the other evocation, minor illusion, mage hand, or blade ward for the cantrip, and for spells sleep, expedious retreat, and/or hex (for times darkness wont work)
Yes, you give up 1 or 2 d6 sneak attack, but darkness benefits make for a similar trade-off to reckless attack, but without the risk
More bg3 please
Druid next! That one can be tricky to multiclass.
These are great
Does it matter what order you take levels? I'd like to go thief/battle master. Does it matter which level i take my first fighter level?
I want the rogue for outside combat, lockpick, ect, and the fighter for combat.
Cheers, everyone.
Waiting for Wizard and Sourcerer Multi Class guide 👍👍
You missed a major advantage of 3+ Warlock: Darkness + Devil Sight. IMO so good its broken. So I don't use it, but some may like it and it should be pointed out.
Monk, 3rogue (thief) rest monk is great. Or even 4rogue (thief) rest monk is also great.
Can't get reckless sneak attack to work.
Keeps saying it it needs advantage or you can only perform one sneak attack per turn.
I love in depth games like this but the one problem is, it can be overwhelming to make a decision because you don't know which way you should go for what your trying to do maybe somebody can help me, I want a dual wielding thief that has good attack as well as range but also has magic, so far I've gotten to dual-wielding down and I have the short bow & in loving it, I just want to be able to attack multiple times as well as use a little bit of magic, like offensive magic spells maybe like Gale or something, So like ice blast or thunder wave or something like that, any bit of info is appreciated thank you.
Would love if you could give us some unique builds like 10 rogue 1 ranger 1 fighter but that might be too much
There are so many barbarian rogue synergies it makes no thematic sense, like how can you be a raging frenzy berserker rogue thief?
In my current playthrough Astarion is Lvl. 11 (5 Gloom Stalker Ranger/4 Thief Rogue/2 Fighter) dual wielding Hand Crossbows. With Patch 4 having nerfed Hand Crossbows (probably justified), I'm considering respecting to 3 Assassin Rogue/4 Battle Master Fighter. Has anyone used this build, and, if so, what Bow did you use, and how would you rate it compared to the alternatives? Good review.
4/6/2 Thief/Sword Bard/Fighter. Sword bard get two weapon fighting style and fighter can get archery. Lacking misty step maybe a problem, but not so a big problem, there's a lot equips with misty step/fly/etc or just simply take the half-ceremorphosis form. Or even just do 4/6/1/1 rogue/bard/fighter/wiz and get int to 14, so you can prepare misty step, haste and shield.
@@stefenleung flourish is not a thing you can spam all day tho, one action surge then you out of inspiration charges. if go raw dmg gloom stalker assassin is more stable, maybe pure ranger hunter, for melee it would be shadow monk assassin. i think the best build for sword bard is debuff control, fast arcane acuity stack for 100% hold person / hold monster then your paladin/fighter bang every bosses in 1 turn.
you might consider 7 thief/5 hunter, with horde breaker speciality. it is much more brawler style than blaster but it is thematically accurate and quite powerfull. or 5 thief/5 hunter/2 fighter thus got 2 fighting styles, action surge, but a bit lower sneak attack bonus. i really like horde breaker skill, it's not broken OP but with a bit of CC you can pull it off quite often
Just depends if you want to keep using hand crossbows or not. The bow you get from waukeens rest is great.
that's correct but so do any "damage" builds. they all speak "burst" damage. it's also true you wont need 2nd turn for the most fights.
also I dont think gloom stalker assassin is different tho. you only do damage on the first round.
@@theonewhoknocks203
Question I am currently stuck between 2 different options: 1.rouge:assassin and monk:way of open hand or way of the four elements 2.rouge:assassin ranger:hunter
any suggestions on which of those I should pick?
Sadly you cant sneak attack and smite in bg3
you can... you can smite with finesse weapon, just mark "ask" in reaction tab for "sneak attack", provide advantage for smite by any means like the risky ring or attacking prone enemy and here you go... 2d8 radiant + 4d6 sneak + whatever you use on weapon. in act 3 you can buy a dancing breeze from one dragonborn that is the only 2-handed finesse weapon in the game, thus you can add a feat for +10 dmg... have a blast my friend.
im curious to see if some of the multiclasses is S tier on fextra's opinion... 🤔
Why not just take one level of fighter early on, say level 5 instead of level 12? That way you get the feat
Rogue/ Barbarian = Conan the Barbarian
Thinking of doing a 5/5 rogue/ranger, and 2 points in fighter... wish me luck i guess lol
Having fun?
@@raissaliebmann0Running a new Durge run, currently 4 rogue/3 ranger, but this is still the plan. Doing a 3 man squad (co-op plus minthara) on Balanced, in act 2, game is really easy atm.
Overall, yeah im having fun lol
I'm glad you're having fun :D
at the moment I'm with Rogue 3/Hunter 2 and it's really quite peaceful. After the update I thought I took less damage, but it continues to help a lot @@ttungstenn4842
Can you actually go up to lvl 3 Rogue to get Assassin then lvls 4, 5 & 6 Ranger to get Gloomstalker and then go back to lvling up Rogue again or are you stuck with Ranger once you switch classes the first time?
You can go back and forth with whatever levels you want or even add additional classes. I will say 3 ranger/9 rogue isn't a good split. I'd rather get the feat with a 4 ranger/8 rogue split or if giving up that feat with 5 ranger you get the extra attack and extra attack is HUGE.
Would 2rouge 2fighter 5 ranger 3 rouge be good? Starting strong and finishing strong or should I go 2 rouge 2fighter 3 rouge 5 ranger
Does the duelling fighting style from fighter help a rouge’s sneak attack at all?
Can you combine spell sniper with spell ambush warlock/arcane trickster ?
without watching 4 thief 8 open hand monk is the best end of story
No love for shadow monk lol
Surprised that you have Barb as A and Fighter B+
I'm surprised Bard is C+ only.
@@RafaelSilva-qz3osYes, how dare he do my Thief + College of Lore combo like that ? Just a skill monkey ? Excuse you, I'm not just a skill monkey, I'm a tried and true skill ape, I can go to about any skill check and ask my party members to "step aside, let professionals handle it"
@@sephikong8323 hahaahaha niceee combo. But i was talking about Swords bard + assassin rogue. Thats is near x4 times dmg per turn, no consumables, compared to only rougue. If melee is your preference, then Gloom/Assassin/Paladin is the best
I like my rouge with 9 levels of monk
Rogue
Hot take. Arcane trickster is the strongest mutli class. Found a way because of gear.
teach please, they just nerfed magic sneak attack
I really need an explanation because for me it's the worst rogue subclass by far.
Hard to beat that extra bonus action from thief.
@duonggdat I'm using the ring that stops a toon going Blind ever. The cloak that trips Fog when disengaging, and the amulet of misty step, with the hood and knife that lower the number needed for a crit, plus the illithid power Luck of the Far Realm.
@@paultapping9510But that’s not the subclass being good, that’s the times being good.
"In my opinion" ... "in my opinion" ... "in my opinion" ... "in my opinion" ... ugh. Loved the analysis, gave me a lot to think about for multiclassing Rogue, my favourite class. But damn. Your constant repeating of this phrase ("in my opinion") made it a chore to get thru and was really distracting, eyes rolling to the back of my head when I wanted to focus on your points. Isn't it obvious that this is _your_ opinion given that you are the person who is making this video? How many times must you remind us?
Overrated game