i tried this yesterday and it is the best information i have ever heard about archery. it prevents the arrow from hitting your hand!! thank you! i was skeptical at first but it works!
Yes, you can do w/o one. OTOH, I put a nocking point on all my horsebows. If you are nocking w/o looking at the string, some visual/tactile reference is handy. I usually mark my horsebows w a visual/tactile reference on the handle too for those that do not come w a designated strike plate/area (like Akosbow v Ali Bow). With bows like that, the first thing I do is determine the best place to grip, rest the arrow against the bow, and nock on string. It's easier to be consistent that way. Yes, you can do w/o all that, but I do not. ;)
Great information! This will save my hand! I have scars, scratches and calluses from rough bases of the feather fletchings over years of shooting with the 90 degree nocking point. I had to make a leather guard to protect my hand. This is going to help so much! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Interesting! I read that in korean traditional archery they have the following method of finding a nocking point: balance the string on your flat hand holding the hand vertically so that the pointing finger is up, pinky down. Then rotate the hand so that the inside touches the string and where your pinky touches the string there is the area where your nocking point is likely to be... (I am paraphrasing from memory here and also am still an absolute beginner, so please take what I said with a big pinch of salt).
Yeah I did not know this but then when I shoot my styrofoam box as to emulate a hunt and I move around what I notice is that the position of the arrow is always important to lift the arrow I did this instinctively since I'm learning from your videos. Many things are becoming instinctive and I'm becoming more bonded with the bow and arrow. 1. My arms getting use to the draw weight and technique 2. Thumb becoming more immune to the string weight almost no pain now. 3. Learning to feel proper positioning but will make a video of my instinctive shooting and you can correct me.
Hahaha, I just scored two very nice bargain glass Bows from Toparchery an I can't even tell which end is the top so Ive just been shooting arrows off them which ever way i pick Them up an I cannot find any difference, both shoot awesome an I'm loving My new never ending draw, if more People knew how sweet Asiatic arrow slinging was Armin.
You should be able to tell the top from the bottom based on the size of the loop on your bow string. The small loop should go on the top to my knowledge.
Just to say I have a lace handle on mine i know which end is which only because the loose end of the lace hangs down.....now wait a moment if I turn my bow round the lace thing hangs...down....arrrgh this is so confusing...
@@jonoedwards4195 i was actually responding, hopefully with humour to Randy's reply to your first comment ...no stepping on toes here just adding my tuppence worth.
Awesome. I was just getting ready to question you. I’ve watched how you shoot, and I always see the arrow consistently higher on the string than 90 deg. I’ve shot compounds for over 15 yrs now and switching to a horse bow, and trying to go traditional is quite a change. I think I’m still gonna tie a knock in place, maybe not a brass one, just some serving string. Any thoughts?
I'm shooting my Nomad Warriors horsebow Mediterranean style (split finger) because I prefer that and I'm more accurate. It's a more satisfying shooting experience. However, now I'm suffering from finger pinch and have a very sore spot on the arrow side of my right index finger thumbnail where it contacts the arrow, particularly at full draw when the finger pinch is the worst. I solved it today by shooting 3-finger under, however now my arrow doesn't want to stay on top of my bow-gripping hand properly unless I kant the bow a bit to the right. Any suggestions for keeping the arrow against the bow and on top of my hand so that I don't have to kant the bow? Many thanks.
Many thanks. I'll try it first on a french fry just for fun. ;-) BTW, for those interested, the vid is titled "Archery FAQ: French Release - what and how?" It does look like it will help!
I have listened to your video several times and keep hearing "....simply slide the nock 4 to 7 inches up" from a 90-degree right angle setting (4:30). This can't be right but I swear that's what I keep hearing. Can you please clarify, how high above 90-degrees?
Yes, when Armin replied that "it depends on the bow" I thought what bow has a nock point that high? Oh well, whatever it was a year ago and doesn't really matter.
What about putting a piece of tape or marking the handle for consistent hand placement and a another mark to indicate where the arrow should pass?( Am I not a Genius Armin)lol
Hi Armin, I have learned a lot from you, thanks as always! I wonder if you have any particular anchor point at all? I do notice you have always draw to some certain draw length when you do reviews, but it seems to me that you don't really touch anywhere on the face at all...
Somehow youtube recommend me your video 4 yrs ago, and of course I am asking an irrelevant question to this video's topic 😄 Oh, found the answer of my own question in another of your videos😅
So if you have no nocking point and no consistent grip location you have two elements that cause inconsistency. If shooting fast you have no time for consistent shooting.
Hello friends, I beg your help, I'm flying to Turkey to buy a Turkish bow, a horse bow, but I do not know where to buy it, where is the place or shop of the arches there, please if anyone knows to tell me, thank you very much!
I tried without nocking point at the beginning, but then I realized I can't really put the arrow at the same position, especially when I don't look at it. I have Turkish fiberglass bow and I made nocking point just like shown in the video. Now my shooting is much better
Armin Hirmer i've saw that vid before, but i'm still confuse, forgive me. i'm still in learning proses in horsebow archery, right now i aiming by using arrow shaft as guidance and shoot quite well. but my theacher say to use arrow point as aiming guidance, i've tried but got a lot of miss. what's your tips? i'm using hungarian horsebow #35
Without a nocking point you will never progress. You will have to continuously check both your bow hand and string hand position. Without a fix nocking point the arrow can slide up or down on the string upon release so it will never be accurate. It doesn't take long to find the approximate best bow hand position which then you can use as reference for installing the nocking point on your string. After that it's just a few shots fine tuning to find where the perfect bow hand position is. That you can mark on the bow and you're all set. You're welcome.
@@ArminHirmer Yeah, shooting them or shooting them with constant accuracy is two different things. I've been shooting traditional bows for 20 years and learnt from respected Hungarian archers a lot and I've never seen a good archer without nocking points. It's simple physics really, a properly set nock point is a steady start point, without nock point it's just a gamble that you will shoot consistently at the same spot.
If use write technics when you put arrow on a string, you need'nt use nocking point, why? because you put an arrow in a wright place always you load youre bow.... start study basic technics of bow shooting, and you understand that noking point not nessasery...
The raising the arrow to not scratch your hand is awesome
i tried this yesterday and it is the best information i have ever heard about archery. it prevents the arrow from hitting your hand!! thank you! i was skeptical at first but it works!
thanks for watching Adam and shoot straight :)
As I am new to archery I am watching many of your videos and learning a great deal. Thank you for all the great videos Armin!
I could watch you shoot all day, so effortless
Yes, you can do w/o one. OTOH, I put a nocking point on all my horsebows. If you are nocking w/o looking at the string, some visual/tactile reference is handy. I usually mark my horsebows w a visual/tactile reference on the handle too for those that do not come w a designated strike plate/area (like Akosbow v Ali Bow). With bows like that, the first thing I do is determine the best place to grip, rest the arrow against the bow, and nock on string. It's easier to be consistent that way. Yes, you can do w/o all that, but I do not. ;)
Good point. Actually just today, y set up the nocking point in my hungarian horse bow. Let’s try for some time and see. Thank you
Great information! This will save my hand! I have scars, scratches and calluses from rough bases of the feather fletchings over years of shooting with the 90 degree nocking point. I had to make a leather guard to protect my hand. This is going to help so much! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
This is the best information and video o have been able to find. Thank you!!!
Thanks for the video, very informative.
This was a very informative and helpful video. Thanks!
"Horse Bow" sounds a lot easier to say than Asiatic composite reflex bows
People can be so pedantic. Every archer knows what a horsebow is.
Asian bow is easier to say
first time i have watched your videos . first class and the accent is first class as well 😄 . please keep up the great work .
Interesting! I read that in korean traditional archery they have the following method of finding a nocking point: balance the string on your flat hand holding the hand vertically so that the pointing finger is up, pinky down. Then rotate the hand so that the inside touches the string and where your pinky touches the string there is the area where your nocking point is likely to be...
(I am paraphrasing from memory here and also am still an absolute beginner, so please take what I said with a big pinch of salt).
yes I know, there are different methods. But overall it works like so :) thanks for watching
Fletchings have been ripping my bow hand thumb apart. Gotta try this.
excellent information as usual, exactly what i wanted to know. thank you.
Thank you and so good information. Beginner and everyday is a new adventure learning.
Excellent video as always.
Thank you, I am getting a new bow next week, and this prevents me from scratching my hand! (Was doing compound bow).
Thank you for the excellent lesson.
Yeah I did not know this but then when I shoot my styrofoam box as to emulate a hunt and I move around what I notice is that the position of the arrow is always important to lift the arrow I did this instinctively since I'm learning from your videos. Many things are becoming instinctive and I'm becoming more bonded with the bow and arrow. 1. My arms getting use to the draw weight and technique 2. Thumb becoming more immune to the string weight almost no pain now. 3. Learning to feel proper positioning but will make a video of my instinctive shooting and you can correct me.
Thanks for the great information!
Great video, thanks for the information.
Thank you sir. so useful information, you have solved the problem of mine by this video.
Thanks for the helpful and easy to understand video!
Great video, thanks!
Thank you Armin, wish i could learn from you and go to your school in your country of archery.
Hi. I have a patreon project with online tutoring if you want. Patreon.com/arminhirmer
Hahaha, I just scored two very nice bargain glass Bows from Toparchery an I can't even tell which end is the top so Ive just been shooting arrows off them which ever way i pick Them up an I cannot find any difference, both shoot awesome an I'm loving My new never ending draw, if more People knew how sweet Asiatic arrow slinging was Armin.
You should be able to tell the top from the bottom based on the size of the loop on your bow string. The small loop should go on the top to my knowledge.
@@randyyoung5770 yes small loop goes to the top....err and the top is which end of this curved thingy magig both ends look the same.
Just to say I have a lace handle on mine i know which end is which only because the loose end of the lace hangs down.....now wait a moment if I turn my bow round the lace thing hangs...down....arrrgh this is so confusing...
@@ians1246 What if I said both loops were the same size? No dramas, Any Alfwit can serve anytime.
@@jonoedwards4195 i was actually responding, hopefully with humour to Randy's reply to your first comment ...no stepping on toes here just adding my tuppence worth.
I have come to revisit this because I may get my first horse bow and I was wondering if I could use fishing shot for it.
I guess so
@@ArminHirmer ok thank you
really appreciate the information ...thx !
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thanks, this is i am searching for.
Awesome vid, really appreciate the information.
great to know.Thanks
Great vids
Awesome. I was just getting ready to question you. I’ve watched how you shoot, and I always see the arrow consistently higher on the string than 90 deg. I’ve shot compounds for over 15 yrs now and switching to a horse bow, and trying to go traditional is quite a change. I think I’m still gonna tie a knock in place, maybe not a brass one, just some serving string. Any thoughts?
Question I’m going from a 30 pound bow To A 45 or 50 which is the best thank you USA Tennessee prepper,Mongolian horse bowl
many good ones out there, depends on your budget
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Just bought an Alibow Turkish horsebow for $70 US plus shipping. Beautiful bow.
I've found a brass nock on a horse bow, using a asian thumb draw may cut your finger if you aren't careful, so make a one of serving string.
Always better to have a softer material there
Hes so helpful
I'm shooting my Nomad Warriors horsebow Mediterranean style (split finger) because I prefer that and I'm more accurate. It's a more satisfying shooting experience. However, now I'm suffering from finger pinch and have a very sore spot on the arrow side of my right index finger thumbnail where it contacts the arrow, particularly at full draw when the finger pinch is the worst. I solved it today by shooting 3-finger under, however now my arrow doesn't want to stay on top of my bow-gripping hand properly unless I kant the bow a bit to the right. Any suggestions for keeping the arrow against the bow and on top of my hand so that I don't have to kant the bow? Many thanks.
The only is what is called french release. I did a video a few weeks ago
Many thanks. I'll try it first on a french fry just for fun. ;-) BTW, for those interested, the vid is titled "Archery FAQ: French Release - what and how?" It does look like it will help!
I have listened to your video several times and keep hearing "....simply slide the nock 4 to 7 inches up" from a 90-degree right angle setting (4:30). This can't be right but I swear that's what I keep hearing. Can you please clarify, how high above 90-degrees?
Depends on the bow
He says slide it up a 1/4 to 1/2 an inch up, sorry I'm a bit late
Yes, when Armin replied that "it depends on the bow" I thought what bow has a nock point that high? Oh well, whatever it was a year ago and doesn't really matter.
🤔 What are your current reflections? Does Austrian Armin concur with Malta Archery Armin?
What about putting a piece of tape or marking the handle for consistent hand placement and a another mark to indicate where the arrow should pass?( Am I not a Genius Armin)lol
whatever works for you
Hi Armin, I have learned a lot from you, thanks as always! I wonder if you have any particular anchor point at all? I do notice you have always draw to some certain draw length when you do reviews, but it seems to me that you don't really touch anywhere on the face at all...
Somehow youtube recommend me your video 4 yrs ago, and of course I am asking an irrelevant question to this video's topic 😄
Oh, found the answer of my own question in another of your videos😅
How to set the nocking point on Mamluk Archery Şimşek Hybrid S+, Turkish Bow
Thank U
So if you have no nocking point and no consistent grip location you have two elements that cause inconsistency. If shooting fast you have no time for consistent shooting.
Can you post a link of where you got that ambidextrous bow?
How do you know what side is up on a horse bow? I see the curve is slightly different..
With many it does not matter, some have an arrow pass on it other a writing which should be readable
@@ArminHirmer thank you so much! I’ve learned so much from your channel and will become a patreon soon!🙏
Armin why do you call your archery company Malta 🇲🇹 archery? Are you maltese?
I am german but the company is in malta
@@ArminHirmer Oh. Good to know. I am maltese that is why I wondered. But I live in Canada.
Related question: How do you determine which limb points up and which points down, or doesn't it matter on a horsebow?
Mostly with the description somewhere on the bow :)
Can it be same with thumb draw?
does the arrow prevents thing works for thumb?
works fine for thumb
Koreans use nock marker on their horn bows roughly 2.5 inches higher than your hand.
Hello friends, I beg your help, I'm flying to Turkey to buy a Turkish bow, a horse bow, but I do not know where to buy it, where is the place or shop of the arches there, please if anyone knows to tell me, thank you very much!
Hi maybe ask Murat Oezveri, he is in Turkey and deep into archery. You can find him on RUclips or facebook
My arrows click on the string and doesn't fall off, but it slides up and down the serving. How should I fix this?
If it causes you trouble, put a nocking point on it
I tried without nocking point at the beginning, but then I realized I can't really put the arrow at the same position, especially when I don't look at it. I have Turkish fiberglass bow and I made nocking point just like shown in the video. Now my shooting is much better
great :)
after your video, the add that played was about an O.M.F.G. super modern compound bow that was of no interest to me.
I have no clue about these ads...
#800 n.n
can u post about aiming teori and tips or how to aiming properly with horsebow (thumbdraw & rightside arrow)
Hi. In this video I give a few hints, maybe it is already helpful. If not, let me know:
ruclips.net/video/snW6x2Z_udc/видео.html
Armin Hirmer i've saw that vid before, but i'm still confuse, forgive me. i'm still in learning proses in horsebow archery, right now i aiming by using arrow shaft as guidance and shoot quite well. but my theacher say to use arrow point as aiming guidance, i've tried but got a lot of miss. what's your tips? i'm using hungarian horsebow #35
we don't aim at all, we look with two eyes to the target.
Without a nocking point you will never progress. You will have to continuously check both your bow hand and string hand position. Without a fix nocking point the arrow can slide up or down on the string upon release so it will never be accurate. It doesn't take long to find the approximate best bow hand position which then you can use as reference for installing the nocking point on your string. After that it's just a few shots fine tuning to find where the perfect bow hand position is. That you can mark on the bow and you're all set. You're welcome.
Depends, I have some bows without mocking point and shoot them without looking very accurately and precisely:)
@@ArminHirmer Yeah, shooting them or shooting them with constant accuracy is two different things. I've been shooting traditional bows for 20 years and learnt from respected Hungarian archers a lot and I've never seen a good archer without nocking points. It's simple physics really, a properly set nock point is a steady start point, without nock point it's just a gamble that you will shoot consistently at the same spot.
If use write technics when you put arrow on a string, you need'nt use nocking point, why? because you put an arrow in a wright place always you load youre bow.... start study basic technics of bow shooting, and you understand that noking point not nessasery...