I made my first asiatic bow after watching this channel. I copied one of the Chinese fiberglass limbed with wood siyah models . Learned how to do thumb release ,then purchased a 40 lb turkish . I'm 6'3" and 250 lbs . My draw length is 32" so my bow is at 46lbs at full draw . It's all I want for my thumb. After shooting "horse bows " I dont even care about other types of traditional archery . Thanks for all the great content.
When I was 15 years old I shot an American flat bow, which I used until I went into the army at the age of 18. Now, at the age of 86 I have just bought an asiatic recurve bow with a draw weight of 30 pounds and by some fluke seem to have followed the advice that you give here. I am still using the Mediterranean 3 finger draw, but I suppose I will eventually try the thumb draw. I am going to look around and see what other advice you have posted about asiatic recurves and all the small tweaks that improve the experience of shooting them. Thanks for a very good, interesting lesson.
Excellent presentation my friend many newcomers will benefit from the information you put forth in this video. Great job as always! Thank you very much for all you do Armin.
Ich bin immer wieder begeistert, in welch kurzer Zeit Du so viel Information auf so einfache Weise "rüberbringst"( z.B. eine kurze Zugbewegung am Horsebow, oder eine kurze Grimasse zum geprochenen Wort.. 😏✊🏻💪🏼🏹..und schon hat man es verstanden. Super!! Danke dafür🙏🏻🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️
First :watch all the videos of AH. Second :listen to AH wisdom thru his experiences ,start practically with cheaper and lighter bows and eventually upgrade. Third: observe carefully his SMILE when shooting a certain Bow, that means you should buy them ...eventually. Fourth : be carefully watching because AH is very contagious, I started collecting bows because of him. Fifth: Appreciate AH so he will be encouraged to continue parting knowledge that are truly beneficial to us Archers. From the bottom of my heart Maraming Maraming Salamat Armin. Also to all Boyers who supported AH throughout his ventures Thank You Very Much.
@@ArminHirmer Too funny, because of Mr Hirmer I bought my first horse bow today. I have a long bow and a recurve, both Bears, but since I have watched so many of Mr. Hirmer’s videos which I thoroughly enjoy, I told a dive today and made the purchase. I will let you know how that goes but in the mean time, I will continue to watch Mr. Hirmer in Malta from California. 🙂
I have not wanted to comment too quickly on my Alibow tang "dunghuang" but now I can say with confidence its an amazing piece of artisan craft and a very good bow. I purchased as I have stupid long arms so I wanted a ~34.5" draw and the dunghuang "long" delivers on this and then some and its beautiful in form and to shoot. its been for the past 6 months my favorite bow. basically I just use it and loan my others out to friends.
I recently bought the scythian horsebow at 21-26 pounds from Flagella Dei as my first bow after shooting my clubs barebows for half a year. I'm very excited to start practicing thumbdraw! Thank you for all your videos on the subject Armin. You're an absolute star.
@@ArminHirmer Thank you! I just got my bow this week, and it just sounds amazing! I wonder if i may ask you a question though, it's pretty specific, but is there a set amount of twists i should do on the bow thread for horsebows?
My first bow was a take down recurve 60lb draw (which I only draw with three figures). My first "horse" bow was a 35lb Turkish style bow. After watching your videos I was nervous about started with a 35lb (you posted one about a year ago saying that 35 maybe too much for a started in thumb release). But I was surprised at how well my thumb held up. Archery so far has been a challenge but getting my thumb strong enough for 35lb draw was easy. Great video again Armin.
Thanks for your advice, Armin. We usually prefer short bows when doing horseback archery. Because while we riding fastly on the horse, we need to move freely and aim easily. On the other hand, we do not need very strong bows due to the targets in horseback archery are max 30 meters. So Short Tatar or Short Turkish which has 40# maximum strength should be optimal choice, I guess :)
Perfectly Explained... Beginners must choose their Bows at low poundage 18Lbs to 30lbs could be ideal.. for learning and adapting purpose... Kudos Armin
Thanx sir, i’m from malaysia. That information about the weather hot and humid here are really helpful because I hear a lot where bow break due to that situation. Thanks. Gonna buy my first bow
@Armin Hirmer. I am looking to learn to shoot a horse bow. This video was most helpful. I was almost about to make the mistake of getting a 50 pound draw to start. Please keep the videos coming.
Excellent video! I followed your advices, It is really the good method imo : 1/ #25 Alibow fiberglass turkish bow (about 90€ included arrows and shipping) - new to thumb release, worked on my shoulders... 2/ #30 Freddie Archery KTB (195€ + arrows) - really fast and smooth, I learned what is full draw, how to use my back muscles 3/ #35 Simon's Raptor (about 600€ + arrows) - next step, fantastic looking bow with high performances. Thank you Armin 😎
I have been in archery formany many years and liked the look of these styles of short bow. So I bought an inexpensive Mongolian bowl a couple years back @50 pounds draw weight... Tried shooting it with a thumb realized was not the best thing I could do. It didn't even occur to me about the draw weight on my thumb. I have since stayed with a 2 finger release with the arrow on top of my index finger.... I am glad you brought that up.....
I had figured out a while ago that I needed a low poundage bow for fun shooting and practice, (at the time I was looking at a longbow type). My 'horsebow' purchase (Turkish Ali-bow fiberglass 30 lb) came from an interest in Scythians/Pazyraks which gradually evolved into wanting to try a reflex 'horsebow'. Cost and Armins reviews of Ali-bow products finalized the decision. My second bow will probably be a fiberglass bow again, 40 lbs, as this is the minimum for hunting where I live. Thanks Armin!
I am binge-watching his videos right now. I am hooked. Can't stop. I am using my guitar as a bow, and I am shooting pencils across the room. Please send help.
@@TheDudemage ummm. Well. Coulda said the same to you. But didn't... So????. Why. I know there are, watched plenty. If I had the right wood anywhere near me... I would...
Thank you! I want to get into eastern-style archery, specifically horse bow archery. There is not a lot of good info on what to look for in a 1st horse bow, and this was SO helpful.
Hi ! Nice to find a video like that today. Was at a Medieval Festival yesterday and bought my first "horsebow" with the intent to diversify my collection and archery style. I watched your video on the thumb draw this morning and subscribed ! Thank you for making these videos, the Hungarian makers of my bow put a stylized wooden thing on one side of the bow grip. I'm learning a way to old it and nocking my arrow correctly, will put a nock soon.
First thank you for everything you do for me and anyone who love archery or they just started. I call your Chanel, archery bible and save your videos under the same name on my playlist. Thank you
Super helpful, thank you. It makes sense of all the wild options. Also makes me feel mildly reassured about my somewhat impromptu buy of a fibreglass bow. It was a little marked up from 100 euros but shipping would have cost me close to that probably. I got a relatively low poundage, it has a nice leather wrapping to hide it's probably ugliness , and it definitely doesn't look like the tartar bow you're holding even tho the seller said it was a tartar style bow. Oh well! I also finally understand draw length. But i did not get arrows. And no clue if hand shock will kill all enjoyment bc it's actually a cheapo Chinese import. We'll see...
Addictive Asiatic! Once You feel the Smooth Unlimited Draw Lenght with Turbo Like Stack Free Power, The Proud Forward Facing Siyahs an the Sound of Shot, the Sensation is Addictive. Oh Yeah, Bringing It Armi.
Thank you very much for all of your great content. 👍 I found out that horsebows are just as fun and accurate when using the 3 finger grip even tho the thumb grip is the traditional way to go :) But... when it comes to poundage, arrow weight and so on I'm at a complete loss at the moment. Maybe binging your videos will help 🖖
I have found your words about draw weight so true. Normally shoot a 60lb modern recurve with 3 fingers. Thumb draw I'm lucky to do 30 pounds haha. It takes some getting used to! I should like to get a real one soon (using a homemade one, being on a low budget sucks) and this video was very helpful!
I just got a horse bow after 30+ years of longbow and recurves. I got a 50 pound. It shoots great Mediterranean but, I can also thumb draw it. Now I can't hit the side of a barn when thumb drawing. Now, I would not be able to do it normally. He did a video showing an alternate thumb method. Where your index and middle finger both hold the thumb and the string lays between index and middle finger. I have some lightweight horse bows coming to try the more traditional methods. What surprised me, my new horse bow is only 40 inches strung but, I have no problem shooting it with a Mediterranean grip. Zero finger pinch. So, if I never master thumb draw....it will not matter to me. I will be shooting these short fast bows from now on.
I would either recommend one of alibow's fibreglass bows or maybe one of kaya's traditional korean style bows. I bought a kaya windfigher recently and I like it so far, it's #46 which usually is a bit too heavy to be enjoyable for me, but it doesn't feel that heavy at all.
Thank you so so much. I'm just about to begin my archery journey and will probably start with a horse bow as I love the look and history. This was super super helpful!! :) :)
Just bought my first bow, 40lbs Recurve left-handed to use for Thumb release (I am right handed) The thumb ring i ordered was awful so spend the day with a makeshift one from thing leather, My thumb ended up twice the size, thankfully i grabbed a Thick leather thumb ring and It works perfectly.
Hi, I am a somewhat experienced Olympic recurve shooter interested in learning thumb release/horsebow. Just wanted to say thank you very much for making this video. This video is really helpful to people like me who want to switch styles but don't know how much we should be spending for a decent level of quality. Since I am used to a good quality bow already, I would hate to spend time learning with some cheap poorly made horsebow. So my first impression was that I would need to spend $500+ to get something worth using. Being able to hear the opinion of an experienced shooter on the common cheaper options of this style is a great resource.
Excellent presentation. One thing I will say about the thumb release is how much better it is on the wrist and elbow. When drawn, the knuckles are aligned horizontally not vertically as you have using the Mediterranean release. This is how the forearm naturally comes to rest resulting in less torsion on the elbow and wrist.
Thanks for the nice informativ video, now i started with the manderin duck thorn horse bow, with 19 pounds, this video was helpful for me. you do a great job for archery , thanks ;-)
A great review of the issues involved in choosing your first 'horse bow'. I 'm a recent fan of the Asiatic bow (last 2 years). I own a variety of types: plastic crab bow; fibreglass and laminated bows. In general, I'm very happy with my choices and I'm particularly fond of the inherent beauty of these bows, and of course, their performance. Flaxen Saxon.
My first one is a IRQ 60 pound bow off Amazon for $109 plus the govdrnor's cut/bribe. Because of my short draw length, it is effectively a 43.7 pounder.
I feel very alone even though I love my horsebow archery. But -- I use Mediterranean draw, shoot off the left, and draw only, almost 28", anchoring at my corner of my mouth. I love Asiatic recurves/horsebows but I cling shooting like I'm holding a Fred Bear or Ben Pearson American hunting recurve that shrank. Both the Kaya "Khan" and the Black Shadow (Freddie/Nomad but not the custom Nomad I think) -- these two models seem to stack a lot past 28.5" or 29" (feeling very unlike other Traditional Korean Bows) and therefore do not seem inefficient or unreasonable to shoot Western-style. I have years invested in my instinctive form, it works *great* with these bows, and when I try to "reinvent the wheel" and shoot from the right side or draw to my ear or grab the arrow differently... I just don't have a lot of fun, personally, because of my history and muscle memory. At least when you score better than someone they speak a little more quietly. But it's lonely. The Kaya Khan, despite coming from the same factory as KTB's, was designed to shoot like a Western hunting recurve, but they had quality control issues (not in design or material but assembly and tolerance) and I think complaints killed more than just the otherwise fabulous model - it killed Western/Asiatic hybrid enthusiasm that was budding from it. People who got a good Khan were not pressured into re-learning archery but held a minimalist thing that shot like their behemoth. Before I ever heard of Armin, or Lars (hehe), I was astonished at my new Khan, crawling around in bushes (like you can't with a barebow Olympic or even a Grizzly) attempting to hunt turkeys like a 1300's guerilla ninja... all while being able to keep my instinctive form I already had, though.
Nice This is the Video I need to fing my Bow. I just learned that they have different names, It should be called Asiatic reflex bows. I want to learn too. Thanks for this video.
@@ArminHirmer These kind of bows are more dynamic and flexible than any of the modern horse bows. Lajos Kassai, a bowmaker and the recreator of modern horse archery, made 5 Guinness World Record with these bows while he was mounted. He used a Falcon 2 when he made his 24 hours long nonstop horse archery record in Kaposmérő, Hungary. 90% of the Kassai Horseback Archery school are using these bows including the world champions. Falcon bow is the older version, Phoenix is an upgraded stuff with metal bowhorns. This bow is even faster than the older one. Check out his channel and his shop.
I love my Kassai Falcon, it’s so light and snappy. I was training at his school when he did his 24hr horse archery world record. It was amazing to watch!
Thanks, great video (all of your videos are great)! I'm new to archer so your information is extremely helpful and you also make me laugh. Have a blessed day!
That was THE most important and useful video for me, as it answered all the right questions for me. I'm interested in various traditional designs of bows around the world already for a long time, but I shot anything other than contact recurves (apart from Olympic recurve for a relatively short time). I wondered which design of cheap asiatic bow should I buy, because I would like to try the thumb release shooting. This video confirmed my predictions about draw weight: I shoot 52 # flatbows, my draw is already 30 inches, but I was sure, that with thumb release and possibly longer draw, I must be careful. I also liked honest remarks about the shooting feeling (kicking of the bad bows). Although this is to some point always a personal preference (I personally prefer a good designed flatbow/longbow over any recurve, modern or traditional), I was sure, that these syahs would "do their thing" be it in a good or a bad way. I'm also sure, that this designs of bows will never be my favorite way of shooting, because of that, but I want to try something new, and for that I need a cheap, solid bow. I'm very grateful for this video. Thank You, that despite Your knowledge in asiatic bows and shooting technique You don't assume, that everyone is beyond some basic considerations as mentioned here. Thank You very very much, Armin!
Very nice video, great advice as always. Especially the advice of getting a week bow at start. I can stress this enough, since I saw a lot of archers getting bad habits after starting with a 50 pound bow. It is also my experience. When I started archery 7 years ago, my teachers shot 80-90 pounds bows and recommend me getting at least a 50 pound bow. I still have a grudge for them for this bad advice. Now, one of them is shooting 45 and the other 70 pounds. After 3 painful years I bought myself a 35 pounds nomad a started lo re-learn again. I had to get rid of my bad habits and still to this day I am not completely cured. It would be easier for someone new to learn the correct technique than for a messed up technique archer who has to unlearn first the bad neuronal connections.
Armin, I've been watching your videos for about 4 months now. Very recently I decided to buy a bow. However, I didn't know whether I should get a "horse bow" or a long bow as my starter bow. Because of you I am deciding to choose the "horse bow" as my first bow as well as the technique. Thank you for all the information you provide to this community and to beginners like me. ~Malichi
My first was a Bearpaw (Attila Arcus) Mongolian. Followed by Alibow, Attila's Archery, Akosbow, AF Archery, Bosen, Cinnabar, Grozer, IRQ, Kassai, Kaya, TOP... never met a bow I didn't like for at least a little while!
Great explanation, I think it's helped me narrow down first bows for my 9 year old and me. I think Im gonna go for the Tartar 30lb for me and Junior bow 15 from Ali Bow for my 9 year old; unless you can recommend a better bow for the kid. Thanks!!!
Very nice information sensei. Hehe, hope you don't mind i called you sensei, because i learn so many information about archery from you. Keep sharing information sensei. Well done. Hello from Indonesia 😁
I currently shoot two Asiatic recurves that are designed to let me shoot them Western-style. Why? Because I like shooting this way, am decent at it, and these bows can be small and light beyond belief, and so I use them whether I want to shoot Korean etc. or not. My introduction to this sort of thing at all was a Kaya "Khan" which has built-in, laminated, but non-working siyahs (I say this because the gentleman mentioned some Korean bows have somehwat working siyahs). I admit to never truly diversifying in form, since the Khan unusually features a built-in, carved/sawn-out shelf, marketed on the left side for right-handed shooters (presumably Westerners). Likewise, it begins to stack a lot not long after 28" instead of longer like other "traditional" Korean bows, and the draw weight was also advertised at this 28" length as is usual for Western bows (which this isn't, really). The Khan is a sad story of fantastic design and materials, but too many cases and runs of poor finishing or quality control, which I believe is why it was discontinued. I wish I had a cache of Khans instead of only two. My next is a Black Shadow, very similar but sadly without a built-in shelf (hehe), which also stacks earlier than Korean bows I'd buy if I was drawing back to my ear (people tend to say Freddie "Black Shadow" since Freddie sells them, but mine says Nomad on it and came from elsewhere, never coming through Freddie... it seems there may be another Nomad horsebow maker that makes one-at-a-time, upscale bows and I'm not sure they make the relatively mass-produced Black Shadow.
I wish he would have listed the bows in the description... What was the name of the fiber glass one.. that u said.. AF Archery.. is that what you/he said... I love the look.. the black and yellow and red... Like the draw length for me..
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I made my first asiatic bow after watching this channel. I copied one of the Chinese fiberglass limbed with wood siyah models . Learned how to do thumb release ,then purchased a 40 lb turkish . I'm 6'3" and 250 lbs . My draw length is 32" so my bow is at 46lbs at full draw . It's all I want for my thumb. After shooting "horse bows " I dont even care about other types of traditional archery . Thanks for all the great content.
You should get a Onewheel. Or learn how to ride a tricycle, and go on a walking archery range.
How's the journey coming?
When I was 15 years old I shot an American flat bow, which I used until I went into the army at the age of 18. Now, at the age of 86 I have just bought an asiatic recurve bow with a draw weight of 30 pounds and by some fluke seem to have followed the advice that you give here. I am still using the Mediterranean 3 finger draw, but I suppose I will eventually try the thumb draw. I am going to look around and see what other advice you have posted about asiatic recurves and all the small tweaks that improve the experience of shooting them. Thanks for a very good, interesting lesson.
Doing archery at the age of 86? That's is awesome, how is that going? I want to start myself as well
Excellent presentation my friend many newcomers will benefit from the information you put forth in this video. Great job as always! Thank you very much for all you do Armin.
Hi!! Fletcher I hope you are fine. I ask what has been your experience with the SiCai?? Cheers to you and Mr. Armin.✌
been researching 'horse bows' this was very informative and helpful all I have to do now is find one with my draw length and in price range.
I can’t believe you don’t have 100k subscribers by far the most knowledgeable and accessible source of recurve bow info on RUclips. Thankyou!!!
better the right subscribers then only just many :D thank you
Excellent advice Armin,very sensible to go lower poundage when starting out👌👍
Ich bin immer wieder begeistert, in welch kurzer Zeit Du so viel Information auf so einfache Weise "rüberbringst"( z.B. eine kurze Zugbewegung am Horsebow, oder eine kurze Grimasse zum geprochenen Wort.. 😏✊🏻💪🏼🏹..und schon hat man es verstanden. Super!! Danke dafür🙏🏻🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️
First :watch all the videos of AH.
Second :listen to AH wisdom thru his experiences ,start practically with cheaper and lighter bows and eventually upgrade.
Third: observe carefully his SMILE when shooting a certain Bow, that means you should buy them ...eventually.
Fourth : be carefully watching because AH is very contagious, I started collecting bows because of him.
Fifth: Appreciate AH so he will be encouraged to continue parting knowledge that are truly beneficial to us Archers.
From the bottom of my heart
Maraming Maraming Salamat Armin.
Also to all Boyers who supported AH throughout his ventures Thank You Very Much.
haha thank you so much
@@ArminHirmer Too funny, because of Mr Hirmer I bought my first horse bow today. I have a long bow and a recurve, both Bears, but since I have watched so many of Mr. Hirmer’s videos which I thoroughly enjoy, I told a dive today and made the purchase. I will let you know how that goes but in the mean time, I will continue to watch Mr. Hirmer in Malta from California. 🙂
The smile test is really key, it tells you what you need to know.
I just shot my first horse bow today, you definitely led me to them. I will be buying one before the end of the summer. Thank you once more Mr Hirmir
I love these bells tolling in the background in your videos ;)
I have not wanted to comment too quickly on my Alibow tang "dunghuang" but now I can say with confidence its an amazing piece of artisan craft and a very good bow. I purchased as I have stupid long arms so I wanted a ~34.5" draw and the dunghuang "long" delivers on this and then some and its beautiful in form and to shoot. its been for the past 6 months my favorite bow. basically I just use it and loan my others out to friends.
What is Alibow's normal shipping price before COVID happened? Right now everything seems to cost ~$50 shipped.
I also appreciate the information on form just before the fireworks. :)
Thanks, I was so confused and overwelled untill I saw this video 😅 Be blessed
The tip for thumb release makes perfect since now thanks man you have a good looking collection of bows
I recently bought the scythian horsebow at 21-26 pounds from Flagella Dei as my first bow after shooting my clubs barebows for half a year. I'm very excited to start practicing thumbdraw! Thank you for all your videos on the subject Armin. You're an absolute star.
Welcome and enjoy shooting
@@ArminHirmer Thank you! I just got my bow this week, and it just sounds amazing! I wonder if i may ask you a question though, it's pretty specific, but is there a set amount of twists i should do on the bow thread for horsebows?
@@kabaleth preferably not at all, but it needs to be just a few (10ish)
@@ArminHirmer Not at all? Wow, gonna give it a try tomorrow then and see how it feel! Thank you again Armin for all your content and work!
My first bow was a take down recurve 60lb draw (which I only draw with three figures). My first "horse" bow was a 35lb Turkish style bow. After watching your videos I was nervous about started with a 35lb (you posted one about a year ago saying that 35 maybe too much for a started in thumb release). But I was surprised at how well my thumb held up. Archery so far has been a challenge but getting my thumb strong enough for 35lb draw was easy. Great video again Armin.
Good advice as always. Thanks Armin! Thumb draw is so much fun. For me it just feels more natural than fingers.
Thanks for your advice, Armin. We usually prefer short bows when doing horseback archery. Because while we riding fastly on the horse, we need to move freely and aim easily. On the other hand, we do not need very strong bows due to the targets in horseback archery are max 30 meters. So Short Tatar or Short Turkish which has 40# maximum strength should be optimal choice, I guess :)
Perfectly Explained... Beginners must choose their Bows at low poundage 18Lbs to 30lbs could be ideal.. for learning and adapting purpose... Kudos Armin
Thanx sir, i’m from malaysia. That information about the weather hot and humid here are really helpful because I hear a lot where bow break due to that situation. Thanks. Gonna buy my first bow
@Armin Hirmer. I am looking to learn to shoot a horse bow. This video was most helpful. I was almost about to make the mistake of getting a 50 pound draw to start. Please keep the videos coming.
Day time fireworks. You gotta love Malta :D
Excellent video!
I followed your advices, It is really the good method imo :
1/ #25 Alibow fiberglass turkish bow (about 90€ included arrows and shipping) - new to thumb release, worked on my shoulders...
2/ #30 Freddie Archery KTB (195€ + arrows) - really fast and smooth, I learned what is full draw, how to use my back muscles
3/ #35 Simon's Raptor (about 600€ + arrows) - next step, fantastic looking bow with high performances.
Thank you Armin 😎
I have been in archery formany many years and liked the look of these styles of short bow. So I bought an inexpensive Mongolian bowl a couple years back @50 pounds draw weight... Tried shooting it with a thumb realized was not the best thing I could do. It didn't even occur to me about the draw weight on my thumb. I have since stayed with a 2 finger release with the arrow on top of my index finger....
I am glad you brought that up.....
I had figured out a while ago that I needed a low poundage bow for fun shooting and practice, (at the time I was looking at a longbow type). My 'horsebow' purchase (Turkish Ali-bow fiberglass 30 lb) came from an interest in Scythians/Pazyraks which gradually evolved into wanting to try a reflex 'horsebow'. Cost and Armins reviews of Ali-bow products finalized the decision. My second bow will probably be a fiberglass bow again, 40 lbs, as this is the minimum for hunting where I live. Thanks Armin!
I just wanted to say how much I am enjoying your videos. Love your helpful style. Tony and Deb in SW France
Thank you
I am binge-watching his videos right now. I am hooked. Can't stop. I am using my guitar as a bow, and I am shooting pencils across the room. Please send help.
All good, I did that too :)
Did he send help.. send me a bow to if so .. lol.. I want a bow so badly .. any damn thing.
@@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 bro if you broke you can actually make your own makeshift bow. Search on youtube: makeshift homemade bow
@@TheDudemage ummm. Well. Coulda said the same to you. But didn't... So????. Why.
I know there are, watched plenty. If I had the right wood anywhere near me... I would...
@@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 yeah since I wrote that reply I got my first bow and started archery.
Thank you! I want to get into eastern-style archery, specifically horse bow archery. There is not a lot of good info on what to look for in a 1st horse bow, and this was SO helpful.
Hi ! Nice to find a video like that today.
Was at a Medieval Festival yesterday and bought my first "horsebow" with the intent to diversify my collection and archery style. I watched your video on the thumb draw this morning and subscribed !
Thank you for making these videos, the Hungarian makers of my bow put a stylized wooden thing on one side of the bow grip. I'm learning a way to old it and nocking my arrow correctly, will put a nock soon.
Great observations so necessary
First thank you for everything you do for me and anyone who love archery or they just started. I call your Chanel, archery bible and save your videos under the same name on my playlist. Thank you
Thank you very much
Really comprehensive answer to, an in my opinion, quite difficult question. Thx a lot for this one Armin!
I started with a #40 Samick SKB for about 120 Euros and I'm very satisfied. I practiced with a #26 Rolan Snake first.
Thanks for the information.
I got myself a Korean bow with 20lbs, and I'm super happy with it! ^^
my first student is shooting 145 meters target with 20lb and bamboo arrows. :)
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with us.
This was very helpful. Thank you!
Super helpful, thank you. It makes sense of all the wild options. Also makes me feel mildly reassured about my somewhat impromptu buy of a fibreglass bow. It was a little marked up from 100 euros but shipping would have cost me close to that probably. I got a relatively low poundage, it has a nice leather wrapping to hide it's probably ugliness , and it definitely doesn't look like the tartar bow you're holding even tho the seller said it was a tartar style bow. Oh well! I also finally understand draw length. But i did not get arrows. And no clue if hand shock will kill all enjoyment bc it's actually a cheapo Chinese import. We'll see...
Pride is their biggest enemy when learning, especially if they already know everything. :)
Again thank you for the info, wish I was there to try them all thanks again sir.
I love your review too man. Keep
Up the good work especially the Ragim bows
@@anthony99900 thank you sir I appreciate ya hope you subscribe to my channel and thank you for your feedback and support.
Excellent advice! Thank you very much.
Addictive Asiatic!
Once You feel the Smooth Unlimited Draw Lenght with Turbo Like Stack Free Power, The Proud Forward Facing Siyahs an the Sound of Shot, the Sensation is Addictive.
Oh Yeah, Bringing It Armi.
Grazie, ha risposto a tante mie domande, come tutto bisogna partire con umiltà dalla base e crescere piano piano. 🙏
I'm glad to see that I was not all wrong with buying my first horsebow, and I will learn to shoot with thumb release and instinktivt aiming
Those were some LOUD bows at the end :-)
Thank you very much for all of your great content. 👍
I found out that horsebows are just as fun and accurate when using the 3 finger grip even tho the thumb grip is the traditional way to go :)
But... when it comes to poundage, arrow weight and so on I'm at a complete loss at the moment. Maybe binging your videos will help 🖖
I have found your words about draw weight so true. Normally shoot a 60lb modern recurve with 3 fingers. Thumb draw I'm lucky to do 30 pounds haha. It takes some getting used to!
I should like to get a real one soon (using a homemade one, being on a low budget sucks) and this video was very helpful!
I just got a horse bow after 30+ years of longbow and recurves. I got a 50 pound. It shoots great Mediterranean but, I can also thumb draw it. Now I can't hit the side of a barn when thumb drawing. Now, I would not be able to do it normally. He did a video showing an alternate thumb method. Where your index and middle finger both hold the thumb and the string lays between index and middle finger. I have some lightweight horse bows coming to try the more traditional methods. What surprised me, my new horse bow is only 40 inches strung but, I have no problem shooting it with a Mediterranean grip. Zero finger pinch. So, if I never master thumb draw....it will not matter to me. I will be shooting these short fast bows from now on.
I would either recommend one of alibow's fibreglass bows or maybe one of kaya's traditional korean style bows. I bought a kaya windfigher recently and I like it so far, it's #46 which usually is a bit too heavy to be enjoyable for me, but it doesn't feel that heavy at all.
Olle Hellberg Absolutely! KTB (Kaya, Freddie Archery) are cheap and really nice to shoot, extremely smooth and fast.
YES! I waited so long for this video! Thank you, Armin! :)
Oh wow, this is super useful, thank you
Thank you so so much. I'm just about to begin my archery journey and will probably start with a horse bow as I love the look and history. This was super super helpful!! :) :)
Great info. I'm leaning toward a fiberglass bow.
Just bought my first bow, 40lbs Recurve left-handed to use for Thumb release (I am right handed) The thumb ring i ordered was awful so spend the day with a makeshift one from thing leather, My thumb ended up twice the size, thankfully i grabbed a Thick leather thumb ring and It works perfectly.
Thanks for the video! Reminds me of my house with the fireworks in the middle of the day in all of July!
Very good information. Thank you.
Hi, I am a somewhat experienced Olympic recurve shooter interested in learning thumb release/horsebow. Just wanted to say thank you very much for making this video.
This video is really helpful to people like me who want to switch styles but don't know how much we should be spending for a decent level of quality. Since I am used to a good quality bow already, I would hate to spend time learning with some cheap poorly made horsebow. So my first impression was that I would need to spend $500+ to get something worth using.
Being able to hear the opinion of an experienced shooter on the common cheaper options of this style is a great resource.
Excellent presentation.
One thing I will say about the thumb release is how much better it is on the wrist and elbow. When drawn, the knuckles are aligned horizontally not vertically as you have using the Mediterranean release. This is how the forearm naturally comes to rest resulting in less torsion on the elbow and wrist.
I love your videos. Extremely informative.
Great advice , love your expertise 👍
Nice video!! Thanks Mr. Armin for another Great Info. Allways VERY professional. And love see so Beautyful bows. Cheers✌
So enjoy your videos. So knowledgeable. Like how you compare bows and which you suggest and why.
Love your reaction to the fireworks!😂
Thanks for the nice informativ video, now i started with the manderin duck thorn horse bow, with 19 pounds, this video was helpful for me. you do a great job for archery , thanks ;-)
am sharing this with all my friends who want to buy their first bows , thank you master
The information was helpful and the fireworks😀
Armin Fantastic knowledge drop 😉🤙🎯 aloha
Very helpful advise, thank you Armin.
Very informative. I will purchase 25lb DW at a relatively low price.
A great review of the issues involved in choosing your first 'horse bow'. I 'm a recent fan of the Asiatic bow (last 2 years). I own a variety of types: plastic crab bow; fibreglass and laminated bows. In general, I'm very happy with my choices and I'm particularly fond of the inherent beauty of these bows, and of course, their performance. Flaxen Saxon.
thank you
My first one is a IRQ 60 pound bow off Amazon for $109 plus the govdrnor's cut/bribe.
Because of my short draw length, it is effectively a 43.7 pounder.
the one you held up at 4:04 is the one i got and its great
And thumb draw technique works on traditional longbows
I definitely over did it with the 50 pound bow
I feel very alone even though I love my horsebow archery. But -- I use Mediterranean draw, shoot off the left, and draw only, almost 28", anchoring at my corner of my mouth. I love Asiatic recurves/horsebows but I cling shooting like I'm holding a Fred Bear or Ben Pearson American hunting recurve that shrank. Both the Kaya "Khan" and the Black Shadow (Freddie/Nomad but not the custom Nomad I think) -- these two models seem to stack a lot past 28.5" or 29" (feeling very unlike other Traditional Korean Bows) and therefore do not seem inefficient or unreasonable to shoot Western-style. I have years invested in my instinctive form, it works *great* with these bows, and when I try to "reinvent the wheel" and shoot from the right side or draw to my ear or grab the arrow differently... I just don't have a lot of fun, personally, because of my history and muscle memory. At least when you score better than someone they speak a little more quietly. But it's lonely. The Kaya Khan, despite coming from the same factory as KTB's, was designed to shoot like a Western hunting recurve, but they had quality control issues (not in design or material but assembly and tolerance) and I think complaints killed more than just the otherwise fabulous model - it killed Western/Asiatic hybrid enthusiasm that was budding from it. People who got a good Khan were not pressured into re-learning archery but held a minimalist thing that shot like their behemoth. Before I ever heard of Armin, or Lars (hehe), I was astonished at my new Khan, crawling around in bushes (like you can't with a barebow Olympic or even a Grizzly) attempting to hunt turkeys like a 1300's guerilla ninja... all while being able to keep my instinctive form I already had, though.
Excellent video. I started well with the Crab Bow then though I did get matched arrows at the same time.
Nice This is the Video I need to fing my Bow. I just learned that they have different names, It should be called Asiatic reflex bows. I want to learn too. Thanks for this video.
The Kassai Falcon/Phoenix bows are the best for horseback
why that?
@@ArminHirmer These kind of bows are more dynamic and flexible than any of the modern horse bows. Lajos Kassai, a bowmaker and the recreator of modern horse archery, made 5 Guinness World Record with these bows while he was mounted. He used a Falcon 2 when he made his 24 hours long nonstop horse archery record in Kaposmérő, Hungary. 90% of the Kassai Horseback Archery school are using these bows including the world champions. Falcon bow is the older version, Phoenix is an upgraded stuff with metal bowhorns. This bow is even faster than the older one. Check out his channel and his shop.
I love my Kassai Falcon, it’s so light and snappy. I was training at his school when he did his 24hr horse archery world record. It was amazing to watch!
I don't shoot from horseback but I love my Kassai Panther (párduc) bow that I have had since 2012 :-)
Thanks, great video (all of your videos are great)! I'm new to archer so your information is extremely helpful and you also make me laugh. Have a blessed day!
That was THE most important and useful video for me, as it answered all the right questions for me.
I'm interested in various traditional designs of bows around the world already for a long time, but I shot anything other than contact recurves (apart from Olympic recurve for a relatively short time).
I wondered which design of cheap asiatic bow should I buy, because I would like to try the thumb release shooting.
This video confirmed my predictions about draw weight: I shoot 52 # flatbows, my draw is already 30 inches, but I was sure, that with thumb release and possibly longer draw, I must be careful.
I also liked honest remarks about the shooting feeling (kicking of the bad bows).
Although this is to some point always a personal preference (I personally prefer a good designed flatbow/longbow over any recurve, modern or traditional), I was sure, that these syahs would "do their thing" be it in a good or a bad way. I'm also sure, that this designs of bows will never be my favorite way of shooting, because of that, but I want to try something new, and for that I need a cheap, solid bow.
I'm very grateful for this video. Thank You, that despite Your knowledge in asiatic bows and shooting technique You don't assume, that everyone is beyond some basic considerations as mentioned here.
Thank You very very much, Armin!
Great advice communicated in an entertaining manner 👏
Always the best Armin!
I chose the Fox Max as my first one. Great bow for the money.
Very nice video, great advice as always. Especially the advice of getting a week bow at start. I can stress this enough, since I saw a lot of archers getting bad habits after starting with a 50 pound bow. It is also my experience. When I started archery 7 years ago, my teachers shot 80-90 pounds bows and recommend me getting at least a 50 pound bow. I still have a grudge for them for this bad advice. Now, one of them is shooting 45 and the other 70 pounds.
After 3 painful years I bought myself a 35 pounds nomad a started lo re-learn again. I had to get rid of my bad habits and still to this day I am not completely cured. It would be easier for someone new to learn the correct technique than for a messed up technique archer who has to unlearn first the bad neuronal connections.
Aha.... that's a lot of info I really need, thank you.
Armin, I've been watching your videos for about 4 months now. Very recently I decided to buy a bow. However, I didn't know whether I should get a "horse bow" or a long bow as my starter bow. Because of you I am deciding to choose the "horse bow" as my first bow as well as the technique. Thank you for all the information you provide to this community and to beginners like me.
~Malichi
Great teaching!
Great advice, has been really useful as it seems to get harder to choose the longer you look of course, thankyou!
Great Master .,.. salute to you
Thank you for this informative video
My first was a Bearpaw (Attila Arcus) Mongolian. Followed by Alibow, Attila's Archery, Akosbow, AF Archery, Bosen, Cinnabar, Grozer, IRQ, Kassai, Kaya, TOP... never met a bow I didn't like for at least a little while!
Great explanation, I think it's helped me narrow down first bows for my 9 year old and me. I think Im gonna go for the Tartar 30lb for me and Junior bow 15 from Ali Bow for my 9 year old; unless you can recommend a better bow for the kid. Thanks!!!
Very nice information sensei. Hehe, hope you don't mind i called you sensei, because i learn so many information about archery from you.
Keep sharing information sensei.
Well done.
Hello from Indonesia 😁
Nice presentation.
THANKS FOR THIS VIDEO.
Great video
Thanks for Info
I currently shoot two Asiatic recurves that are designed to let me shoot them Western-style. Why? Because I like shooting this way, am decent at it, and these bows can be small and light beyond belief, and so I use them whether I want to shoot Korean etc. or not. My introduction to this sort of thing at all was a Kaya "Khan" which has built-in, laminated, but non-working siyahs (I say this because the gentleman mentioned some Korean bows have somehwat working siyahs). I admit to never truly diversifying in form, since the Khan unusually features a built-in, carved/sawn-out shelf, marketed on the left side for right-handed shooters (presumably Westerners). Likewise, it begins to stack a lot not long after 28" instead of longer like other "traditional" Korean bows, and the draw weight was also advertised at this 28" length as is usual for Western bows (which this isn't, really). The Khan is a sad story of fantastic design and materials, but too many cases and runs of poor finishing or quality control, which I believe is why it was discontinued. I wish I had a cache of Khans instead of only two. My next is a Black Shadow, very similar but sadly without a built-in shelf (hehe), which also stacks earlier than Korean bows I'd buy if I was drawing back to my ear (people tend to say Freddie "Black Shadow" since Freddie sells them, but mine says Nomad on it and came from elsewhere, never coming through Freddie... it seems there may be another Nomad horsebow maker that makes one-at-a-time, upscale bows and I'm not sure they make the relatively mass-produced Black Shadow.
Thanks for the helpful info!!
Which bow is at 6:15? I ve never seen such a beautiful bow in my life.
I wish he would have listed the bows in the description...
What was the name of the fiber glass one.. that u said.. AF Archery.. is that what you/he said... I love the look.. the black and yellow and red... Like the draw length for me..
Io ho iniziato la mia passione con un cinese da 53" deerseker.. poi ho scoperto gli archi coreani. Da lì in poi é stato amore