The plotline of Alfred dying and Bruce realizing the he was losing his surrogate father, as well as coming to the realization that he had created a new family and he wasn't alone anymore was good, almost like something from a better movie.
Yeah, they really tried with the writing on that. I read the BTS where they focused on that in a way of showing how Bruce is losing the last of his family.
Also that line he gave me freeze about helping him save another life was pretty good. The Batman I remembered would actually try to bring his villains back to normal. Helo them remember who they use to be instead of just beating them up all the time. So that moment I'd say, too, was good.
@@Ultriac301 Blade was good, but it didn’t have near the success X-Men had. I believe the R rating of Blade held it back from the merchandising and marketing age range to have the success X-Men did
One thing I do like about this movie is the conversation Bruce Wayne has with Alfred. When Bruce Wayne asked Alfred did he ever regret coming there to work. And Alfred said no the guardian of heroes, Alfred said my only regret was I never could be out there with you.
@@shelbyford5963 It was good that they carried him over from the Burton films to the Schumacher films. I love his line in "Batman Forever" when he went against Batman's orders "I wonder if Buckingham Palace will have me back?"
@@mooseheadbear1775 Yeah!, and Patrick Stewart took the role of Freeze 😱🤯😭🤩. And if Val Kilmer would have stayed on to improve on his role. Keep Bruce face time more serious and brooding. It could have been in talks of contention for best instead of clear and obvious worst.
I was 6 when this came out and I probably watched it 100 times on VHS because I thought it was awesome at that age and we didnt own a ton of movies, I know now that its ridiculous and silly lol, but it's still really nostalgic for me in that personal context, so I enjoy it for that reason. Same with Batman Forever.
When my son was little, I introduced him to Batman with this series of Batman movies and Batman and Robin was his favorite because of all the neon and brith colors. He was something like 8 or so. He's 22 and in the Air Force now!
I showed this movie to my nephew's when they where 7 and 8 years old and they loved it, taught it was the best batman movie. They said it's like a cartoon and rewatched it again and again.
*essentially that's what it was, a cartoon masquerading as a live action variant of an established franchise attempting to be funny and written by those without the slightest clue of what they were writing about but blaming the audience for its failure without admitting the truth*
Batman and Robin is one of those movies that fascinate me the more you look into the production and how it became a horrific mess due to studio taking control of it more alongside with Godzilla '98 with how the 2 directors didn't like the OG Godzilla and drastically changed it.
@@TaliaIGhul yeah, Tom Hardy might've been a "better" Bane as far as movies go, but the comic inaccuracies I hated, as well as the bouncing off the knee after the backbreaker. No lingering impact
I still recall a conversation I had with a friend about this movie. He is a massive comic book fan. He mentioned that in the letters pages of the Batman comic it was said, "There are Batman fans who love the comics. Others love the 1960s TV series, and never the twain shall meet." Taking the franchise in a different direction, Shumacher was supposed to have said that "Bruce Wayne has had plenty of time to get over the deaths of his parents." Yet if this did happen, it would mean that Bruce Wayne would lose his motivation to be Batman.
In fairness, I kinda liked making Batgirl into Alfred's niece for this canon, as it kinda helped make his illness more tragic for her, and give her more reason to why she was partaking in underground motorcycle races to raise money for his cure. It's a shame the movie didn't focus more on Afred's illness.
@@shadowleon659 yes and no. Blade did far better than expected which helped greenlight X-Men, but being rated R Blade wasn't able to bring in a family-friendly audience that really kicked off the superhero boom. 🤷🏻♂️
Yes and no. I love X-Men But I feel like it was more marketed as a science-fiction action film than a superhero movie. I think it helped the hype for Spiderman though. Spiderman on the other hand was marketed in height as a superhero film and marvel one at that. That’s my take on it anyway. Doesn’t matter because both helped the superhero genre.
No lie... this is my favorite batman film... it's fun, dumb, and colorful. When I need a good laugh with some action thrown in here and there I'm gonna pop this gem in
I'm on Schumacher's side regarding his apology. The movie spun out of his control due to the drive to make it more toyetic. It's not simply an issue of people hating his vision, since his vision sounds like it got binned. Hearing an apology helps put what happened with the movie into perspective, considering Schumacher has been shit on for decades over it. It also means he took ownership for its failure and his failure to stop interference into the production. I have a bit more respect for him hearing that. As an aside, Batman and Robin was where I first learned about film licensing costs. A video store I rented from a lot posted the replacement costs for damaged or stolen movies on the rental covers, and they were often quite high (if I remember right, around $200 per copy). This is because video stores, like theatres and even special event screenings, needed to acquire distribution rights for the films. These rights meant each copy a store got costed far more than the consumer retail cost for private viewing. Batman and Robin was apparently such a failure that Warner wasn't too concerned with the higher licensing cost, and the replacement price on the rentals was around just $30.
Schumacher directed and guided the actors performances, which was the fundamental issue and he had final say over costumes, so the pathetic costume and performance of Poison Ivy is on him.
@@SmartCookie2022 I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue about, other than to simply argue. WB interfered with the production Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. They didn't interfere with Batman Begins. What point exactly are you trying to make?
It was pretty cool, but I felt that Arnold Schwarzenegger was a bad choice for the role of Mr. Freeze Patrick Stewart would've been a better choice, as he looked more like the character as depicted in the comic books
Did you notice that the Mr. Freeze suit also has nipples?????? Look at the circles made by the steel at the bottom of the glowing pecks. Yep!!!! Sorry to point out something you'll never unsee.
I remember reading George Clooneys girlfriend at the time Celine Balitran was insanely jealous of Elle Macpherson, and most of her shots where cut because Celine was disruptive. There is also one scene that was kept as important to the film role when you first met George and Elles characters, George constantly keeps putting his head down because Celine was keeping an eye on them. She was eventually taking off set, which caused of set arguments for the couple.
I don’t hate this movie personally, I rewatched recently it in the mindset of it just being silly and campy like the adam west series and it wasn’t terrible. Still isn’t good though.
I kind of felt the same. The similarities to the Adam West batman were far too strong especially after having had the animated series. Teenage me still loved Arnold's puns, though.
When you watch Schumacher's Batman movies right after Burton's they feel so unconnected to the established universe they created it takes you out of the movie right away. I blame the studio for ruining Batman, but at least these stinkers gave us The Dark Knight Trilogy.
I love how in the first freeze encounter the freeze gun somehow manages to defy gravity and land perfectly on top of the rock. I laugh out loud at that every time
I worked at WB at the time. Several things I heard about. Steven Seagal was filming a movie at the time. He complained about having a headache because of paint fumes on the set. His trailer was moved to America St, an outside set. When Batman moved in, Arnold was put on the street between America St and the set. Arnold had his trailer and his gym trailer, frequently enjoying a cigar after working out and every once an while you could see him in the blue paint. Long story short, Arnold and his peeps noticed Seagal and his perps walking through. The rumor was Arnold noticed him and said "look it's Steven Seagal, the big action star." Another story I heard was that Clooney won the role by game of horse. The basketball court was in front of the gym which was by the rear of the commissary. I think that other player was Leon di Bonventura. It seemed that the female assistants took lunch right as the extras from the party scene were taking a break. One of the cast members of a popular show made the comment "they certainly do like the sparkly men". Of course, these were rumours and should be taking with a grain of salt.
Thank you for having a different attitude and perception on this movie. It's pretty refreshing. As a hardcore Bat-Fan, I appreciate and respect your unique perspective.
Mark, one of the things I really appreciate about your videos is that you don't troll anything. I hate troll videos and people that try to get attention by bashing a movie, etc, just because they didn't like it and capitalize on perceived public opinion. Batman and Robin is a classic case of a notable cast trapped in a bad screenplay and direction, with camp. That is a good point about "toyetic", even George Lucas sold out in some cases to sell toys as he owned the Star Wars merchandizing rights. You're not going to hear many directors get humble and admit they made a bad movie, good for him. The positive outcome of this movie is that it stopped this series of Batman movies, and Christopher Nolan made his iconic "Dark Knight" trilogy.
I actually love it. Arnold's Mr. Freeze is my favorite Bat-villain. It's colorful, mindless FUN, just like the comics I read as a kid. I have nothing against more serious versions. I think there's plenty of room for all interpretations.
I rewatched it recently. Honestly Arnold and Uma are delightfully good in their roles. He had fun as Freeze and she brought the best abilities to play Ivy.
Great video, just a couple of notes: 1: The 'superhero genre' never really died after Batman & Robin, as the next year (1998) Blade came to cinemas, and in 2000 X-Men hit the silver screens, both to great success. 2: I still don't get why people only bash Batman & Robin for having bat-nipples, as those were introduced to the costumes in Batman Forever.
Minty I got to say I’ve loved watching your videos over the years and I’m still finding ones that were done a while ago. Ya always have great things to say about movies and your Proverbs are priceless. Really stellar brother, keep up the good fight.
I very rarely comment but I feel this is worth it. First and foremost I would like to say I very much enjoy your content, as a whole. Articulate, a good laugh here and there, and a nice, 'look behind the scenes,' roll in the background. Length of segments, spot on. Right, I liked soundtrack...that's bout it. I still agree with your assessment. So, thanx again and keep on keeping on. Cheers.
Hey Minty! How’s things going? Your one of the original channels I subscribed to and now several years later Still one of my favorite. I really love your style and narration and just the way you give your perspective and opinion and knowledge about different movies most of us have seen. I also appreciate your extensive knowledge about not only the movie’s but the different posters and alternate casting choices and alternative . Also who would have ever imagined mr. freeze aka Arnold Schwarzenneger would become the future governor of California a trend that would later reach the U.S. presidency. I don’t think it worked out so well for the latter. Thanks for the time and hard work you put into your research and your channel I truly appreciate it. Take care and stay safe and healthy!
Was Blade as massive a box office hit as Spiderman? (they both could be true; Blade helped the genre stay afloat, but Spiderman brought that genre to its former heights of glory).
@@bonghunezhou5051 while Blade made a good amount of money, 131 million on a 45 million dollar budget, X-Men did do better 296 million on a 75 million dollar budget. However both pale in comparison to spider-man which brought in 825 million on a 139 million dollar budget.
Upon re-watching the relevant portion, I came to realize that "popular zeitgeist" is a separate thing from mere box office numbers. True, Blade and X-Men did make quite a moolah (particularly relative to production costs), but neither quite attained the aforementioned phenomenon. FTR, Spiderman even has the honour (!?) of denying Episode 2 ("...Clones") the top-grossing film of the year title.
I still see this movie as a fun guilty pleasure. It makes me laugh a lot and Uma Thurman totally steals the show as Poison Ivy. There’s also some really exciting battle scenes. I can also see hints of what could’ve been a much more dramatic plot. I still love this movie, no matter what anyone says. Thank you for giving it a fair review for your mom and it’s other fans!
As a kid I thought Batman Forever was an interesting new direction after Burton's darker movies. But with Batman and Robin it was like they went way too far in that direction and lost Batman altogether.
I admire Shumaker however he spells his name,that he actually apologized for making a bad movie. Today Director’s will insult you on Twitter if you criticize them.
I don't blame Schumacher, it was studio interfering that ruined Forever and Batman & Robin. Also, Val Kilmer had bat nippels too, why nobody mentions that?
@@JoakimOtamaa Val’s Batnipples weren’t as big as an emphasis. It was supposed to be the look of a Greek statue and the suit up scenes were more subtle. Batman & Robin had 3 heroes suiting up, so more batnipples and the Greek statue idea felt like it was no more and instead it was just Schumacher using it as an opportunity to zoom in on some buttcheeks and crotches.
My opinion has softened on this movie when I entered a discussion where someone compared this to the 60's Batman that was very campy but enjoyable. Batman and Robin just took it over the top though.
Clooney cracks me up every time he says he single handily almost killed the Batman franchise. I actually liked the movie and still watch it every once in a while.
18:44 you forget one film… BLADE came out two years after this! if it weren’t for blade, we wouldn’t have x men, spider man, a new Batman, iron man, a new Superman, avengers, justice league, flash, you name it
I remember seeing B&R in the theater. Disappointment in the movie was lingering as well as the ringing in my ears because this movie was LOUD. This was a time when projectionist’s control over a films showing was starting to be taken away from them and the studios and distributors had specific guidelines for theaters to follow one of which was the volume. Serious, my ears hurt after seeing this in the theater.
Honestly not even close to being the worst movie made , not even the worst superhero movies . Is it bad yes but worst ehhh . I have a soft since I saw it theaters as a kid
@@MateusHonrado Same here. I find it frustrating that people have put this among those crappy movies. At least Batman & Robin is enjoyable to watch, unlike Catwoman.
The Amazing Spiderman (both films), Catwoman, Daredevil, Captain Marvel, and some others are indeed worse than B & R. Still, if there are lessons to be learned from this misguided endeavour, they are, never let the film be drastically changed by a particular cast member, and never let the essence of the film be dictated by outside interested parties.
I agree with your mum, I loved the film and Batman Forever with the introduction of Robin/Dick Grayson. Off topic, I love the collectibles you have in the background (and how you swap out a few that have a connection to the film you are currently reviewing) but I have to ask: you have the classic Tim Curry IT in the back so I was wondering if you will ever (or have ever) done a 10 things on either, both, or will possibly do a comparison of the two with which you liked better and why
Minty-it really touched my heart that you defended your mom’s positive opinion about the movie. My mom has also influenced me and some of my all time favorites were her suggestions.
I was in my early 30s when this movie came out. I liked this movie because of the colorful scenes and campiness. I knew it was going to be more like a comedy than a serious, dark movie when it became available on pay-per-view, so there were no surprises. I enjoyed the Batman movies with Michael Keaton, but I also liked the one with George Clooney. My least favorite was the one with Val Kilmer. Jim Carrey was perfect for the role of Riddler.
I loved the animated series and was devastated by this version of Batman. All my friends and cousins liked it though. I admit that I did like Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy.
He nailed it at the end when he said to just enjoy how bad it is with your friends. I love doing this. My best friend and I will watch it pretty much annually just for this which gives the film a special place in my heart.
"Ice" to see a review of this movie 😁 I'll see myself out. But I do remember when Clooney said he'd pay back anybody who bought a ticket to see the movie. Hey I'm a need that money George 😂
The Simpsons predicted Arnold's character. In the episode _Last Exit To Springfield_ their Arnold character broke out of an ice sculpture and says _Ice To See You!_
that same episode also predicts the dallas' cowboys signing of dak prescott for $160 million. homer trades bart a crummy donut for a delicious doorstop.
Yeah? How did they predict something that authors like aldous huxley and phillip k. Dick were writing about as early as the 1930s? Even Jules Verne wrote about using a mechanical television as a communication tool in the 1860s. Just saying
Minty, I really appreciate your fair approach to movies like this. It is still among my most hated movies but people do not have to be hateful. It was a cluster**** of badness that just wasn't what people wanted.
I don't care what anyone says, a part of me will always enjoy Batman & Robin. It is not as bad as other people say. It is just the cool thing to do to hate on this film. I rather watch this movie over Catwoman any day.
@@thejamesbondshowwithkrazyk4581 Yes but while both films are bad, if there was a choice between Batman & Robin and Catwoman on which bad film I would watch as a guilty pleasure, I'd pick the former.
I actually did see that Catwoman movie with Halle Berry on tv to see how awful it was..they were right.. I think they should have never made it.. I was never so bored in my life and the acting was just the worst...
90s Film and TV is sometimes like a really nice warm hug from a reliable long time friend. Predictability and cheesiness is nice sometimes, especially in these times.
When they're on the rocket, Robin sees Batman placing a device and proclaims "Bat-Bomb?" Little did we know he was predicting the rest of the film's story and box office performance.
I'm with your mum, I like these movies. The colorful iconic costumes, the cheesy similar to the original style not at all serious like the newer ones, some fun gadgets and references that really fitted the 90s, and especially the ice puns :D I LOVE PUNS. Sure there were many things wrong with it but I liked it as a kid and it's nice to have that style of batman movie as I don't like the overly serious cold nature of the newer ones.
Btw I *love* how you tie your Mom into this story! Very classy; makes up for your Wilson idiocy in the Cast Away post. The realism with elegance show your capability to involve 'side characters' with respect.
Thanks Minty, appreciate you review. If only we had gotten the Tim Burton series throughout...I would say the first two Blade movies gave the Spider-Man movie life. Have a good one!
In '97 I was ten years old, I remember this coming out and being able to watch it on TV. I LOVE this movie, it has just the right amount of cringe to keep me coming back for more
Rumor has it, Bruce is still paying off his mastercard.
Had to turn the batcave into a tourist attraction to cover the repayments
Or at home "washing his tights" lol
He will be paying it off forever
Holy interest rates
@@mikeadams7904 I see what you did there, lol.
The plotline of Alfred dying and Bruce realizing the he was losing his surrogate father, as well as coming to the realization that he had created a new family and he wasn't alone anymore was good, almost like something from a better movie.
Yeah, they really tried with the writing on that.
I read the BTS where they focused on that in a way of showing how Bruce is losing the last of his family.
Also that line he gave me freeze about helping him save another life was pretty good. The Batman I remembered would actually try to bring his villains back to normal. Helo them remember who they use to be instead of just beating them up all the time. So that moment I'd say, too, was good.
lol... how dumb.
@@jacobdean4833 So is your reply you ponce.
The 1966 Batman movie didn't get a sequel until 2016 in animated form as for this movie it fails at being a campy Batman movie
X-men came out 2 years before Spider-man and really got the comic book movies back on track
It was the first Blade movie that revitalized the super hero genre.
@@Ultriac301 Blade was good, but it didn’t have near the success X-Men had. I believe the R rating of Blade held it back from the merchandising and marketing age range to have the success X-Men did
Batman Forever has one of the most awesome 90s music soundtracks ever.
One thing I do like about this movie is the conversation Bruce Wayne has with Alfred. When Bruce Wayne asked Alfred did he ever regret coming there to work. And Alfred said no the guardian of heroes, Alfred said my only regret was I never could be out there with you.
This goes to show that Alfred was a good character in these movies.
Yeah, Alfred was the one thing this movie managed to get right.
Michael Gough was amazing as Alfred in these movies, he set the standard for portraying Alfred IMO
@@shelbyford5963 It was good that they carried him over from the Burton films to the Schumacher films.
I love his line in "Batman Forever" when he went against Batman's orders "I wonder if Buckingham Palace will have me back?"
They made Bane act more like Solomon Grundy
Wish Arnold was cast as bane
@@mooseheadbear1775 Yeah!, and Patrick Stewart took the role of Freeze 😱🤯😭🤩.
And if Val Kilmer would have stayed on to improve on his role. Keep Bruce face time more serious and brooding.
It could have been in talks of contention for best instead of clear and obvious worst.
@@mooseheadbear1775 If Arnold played any Batman villain, he should have played The Beast. (AKA KGBeast)
@Michael Breasseale
That being said, they should've had Solomon Grundy in this movie instead of Bane
The guy who played Bane, was wrestling in WCW, at the time, as the "Final",OOPS, the "Ultimate Solution", lmao, as a member of the Dungeon of Doom.
I was 6 when this came out and I probably watched it 100 times on VHS because I thought it was awesome at that age and we didnt own a ton of movies, I know now that its ridiculous and silly lol, but it's still really nostalgic for me in that personal context, so I enjoy it for that reason. Same with Batman Forever.
When my son was little, I introduced him to Batman with this series of Batman movies and Batman and Robin was his favorite because of all the neon and brith colors. He was something like 8 or so. He's 22 and in the Air Force now!
I showed this movie to my nephew's when they where 7 and 8 years old and they loved it, taught it was the best batman movie. They said it's like a cartoon and rewatched it again and again.
when i was a kid i rented it like....every weekend. And exactly the same reason.
Now....i think that movie is the absolute bulls**t of comic movies
*essentially that's what it was, a cartoon masquerading as a live action variant of an established franchise attempting to be funny and written by those without the slightest clue of what they were writing about but blaming the audience for its failure without admitting the truth*
That's the problem.
@@giannisksanthopoulos4300 did you rember the toys
@@zacharyjochumsen9677 haha yeaah, i have a lot and this is the year without PC and consoles. We played Arkham Asylum Live :D
Batman and Robin is one of those movies that fascinate me the more you look into the production and how it became a horrific mess due to studio taking control of it more alongside with Godzilla '98 with how the 2 directors didn't like the OG Godzilla and drastically changed it.
I'm just glad that Michael Keaton is going to play Batman in The Flash movie.
Please don't joke w/ me 😢
It'll be neat to see him back if they do it well
@@aslan9334 oh no it's true or was rumored to be. Basically he'll be Thomas Wayne Batman this time if it's what i saw
How old is he???
@@steezy7460 he’s now 69.
I think another reason why this was a box office flop and why some people hated it, was when they introduced Barbara as the" neice" of Alfred.
The fact of the matter is Schwarzenegger should have been playing bane he probably would have been great
Especially if he played comic book accurate Bane.
@@TaliaIGhul yeah, Tom Hardy might've been a "better" Bane as far as movies go, but the comic inaccuracies I hated, as well as the bouncing off the knee after the backbreaker. No lingering impact
Arnold Could've Also Been Deathstroke In A Nightwing Solo Spin Off With Chris O'Donnell
No one would have been or could have been great in a movie written by Akiva Goldsman and directed by Joel Schumacher. Not a possible thing.
@@SumDumGy I disagree when it comes to Joel Schumacher. Had he been allowed to make dark, serious Batman films, they would have been really good imo.
"Allow me to break the ice. My name is Minty. Learn it well, for it's the chilling sound of your doom."
And you can get ice cool mint.
What it feels like to chew five gum.
Funny you should say that. Blinko & Minty was a code name for This flick during production.
I still recall a conversation I had with a friend about this movie. He is a massive comic book fan. He mentioned that in the letters pages of the Batman comic it was said,
"There are Batman fans who love the comics. Others love the 1960s TV series, and never the twain shall meet."
Taking the franchise in a different direction, Shumacher was supposed to have said that
"Bruce Wayne has had plenty of time to get over the deaths of his parents."
Yet if this did happen, it would mean that Bruce Wayne would lose his motivation to be Batman.
In fairness, I kinda liked making Batgirl into Alfred's niece for this canon, as it kinda helped make his illness more tragic for her, and give her more reason to why she was partaking in underground motorcycle races to raise money for his cure. It's a shame the movie didn't focus more on Afred's illness.
I liked it because how could Barbara be Batgirl and her dad(Commissioner Gordon) not know about it?
@@JIF882 Did Barbara live with her father after she became Batgirl?
@@joenarbaiz1640 I don't know. He still could have know about her being Batgirl
I'd say it was X-Men that revived superhero movies. It was 2 years before Spiderman. 🤷🏻♂️
Actually that was Blade 1998.
@@shadowleon659 yes and no. Blade did far better than expected which helped greenlight X-Men, but being rated R Blade wasn't able to bring in a family-friendly audience that really kicked off the superhero boom. 🤷🏻♂️
@Brandon Brooks the unrated version of Spawn wasn't terrible in comparison to those others. Steel may have been worse than Batman and Robin. 🤷🏻♂️
Yes and no.
I love X-Men But I feel like it was more marketed as a science-fiction action film than a superhero movie. I think it helped the hype for Spiderman though.
Spiderman on the other hand was marketed in height as a superhero film and marvel one at that.
That’s my take on it anyway. Doesn’t matter because both helped the superhero genre.
For me, it was Blade.
3:13, Clooney looking more Batman than he did in the entire movie while being directed by Joel S.
No lie... this is my favorite batman film... it's fun, dumb, and colorful. When I need a good laugh with some action thrown in here and there I'm gonna pop this gem in
You'll love the 1966 "Batman" film, then.
Aubree Chadek We’re meant for each other 😏
I'm on Schumacher's side regarding his apology. The movie spun out of his control due to the drive to make it more toyetic. It's not simply an issue of people hating his vision, since his vision sounds like it got binned. Hearing an apology helps put what happened with the movie into perspective, considering Schumacher has been shit on for decades over it. It also means he took ownership for its failure and his failure to stop interference into the production. I have a bit more respect for him hearing that.
As an aside, Batman and Robin was where I first learned about film licensing costs. A video store I rented from a lot posted the replacement costs for damaged or stolen movies on the rental covers, and they were often quite high (if I remember right, around $200 per copy). This is because video stores, like theatres and even special event screenings, needed to acquire distribution rights for the films. These rights meant each copy a store got costed far more than the consumer retail cost for private viewing. Batman and Robin was apparently such a failure that Warner wasn't too concerned with the higher licensing cost, and the replacement price on the rentals was around just $30.
Schumacher directed and guided the actors performances, which was the fundamental issue and he had final say over costumes, so the pathetic costume and performance of Poison Ivy is on him.
@@thejamesbondshow9754 Pretty sure the studio had something to do with it.
@@ScooterinAB So the studio was responsible for Batman Begins and not Christophor Nolan, who just did what he was told to do, is that right?
@@SmartCookie2022 I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue about, other than to simply argue. WB interfered with the production Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. They didn't interfere with Batman Begins. What point exactly are you trying to make?
I bet the video stores told people not to bring the rental copy back and paid the customers to keep the video
I think what really hurt this movie was there was no Seal releasing another banger like “Kiss from a Rose” 😉
Kiss From A Rose would have fit this film a lot more considering poison ivy was in it.
Bones Thugs and Harmony's song Look Into My Eyes was awesome but was cut from the film for R Kelly's lame Gotham City song
Shiiiiit...u2 hold me thrill me kiss me kill me is where that shit was at on Batman forever!!!
But we got Jewel’s Foolish Game out if it!
@@TimBurVlogs I think they just tacked that song onto the soundtrack, it's so out of place and isn't remotely similar to the film.
Not going to lie: the costume for Mr. Freeze was pretty cool...yes I said that.
Yea it was
Pretty cool...or pretty cold 🤨?
I like it🥶
It was pretty cool, but I felt that Arnold Schwarzenegger was a bad choice for the role of Mr. Freeze
Patrick Stewart would've been a better choice, as he looked more like the character as depicted in the comic books
Did you notice that the Mr. Freeze suit also has nipples?????? Look at the circles made by the steel at the bottom of the glowing pecks. Yep!!!! Sorry to point out something you'll never unsee.
I remember reading George Clooneys girlfriend at the time Celine Balitran was insanely jealous of Elle Macpherson, and most of her shots where cut because Celine was disruptive. There is also one scene that was kept as important to the film role when you first met George and Elles characters, George constantly keeps putting his head down because Celine was keeping an eye on them.
She was eventually taking off set, which caused of set arguments for the couple.
First movie we recall seeing in theaters as a kid and say what you will about it, it was pure magic at age 4 haha!
I don’t hate this movie personally, I rewatched recently it in the mindset of it just being silly and campy like the adam west series and it wasn’t terrible. Still isn’t good though.
I kind of felt the same. The similarities to the Adam West batman were far too strong especially after having had the animated series.
Teenage me still loved Arnold's puns, though.
Same for me as well
It's a piece of shit.
When you watch Schumacher's Batman movies right after Burton's they feel so unconnected to the established universe they created it takes you out of the movie right away. I blame the studio for ruining Batman, but at least these stinkers gave us The Dark Knight Trilogy.
i tried doing that too when i started to watch the adam west batman series on dvd.
This was probably the second time Batman disappointed Minty after that stunt show guy.
Too soon!
💀
I love how in the first freeze encounter the freeze gun somehow manages to defy gravity and land perfectly on top of the rock. I laugh out loud at that every time
I worked at WB at the time.
Several things I heard about.
Steven Seagal was filming a movie at the time. He complained about having a headache because of paint fumes on the set. His trailer was moved to America St, an outside set.
When Batman moved in, Arnold was put on the street between America St and the set. Arnold had his trailer and his gym trailer, frequently enjoying a cigar after working out and every once an while you could see him in the blue paint.
Long story short, Arnold and his peeps noticed Seagal and his perps walking through.
The rumor was Arnold noticed him and said "look it's Steven Seagal, the big action star."
Another story I heard was that Clooney won the role by game of horse. The basketball court was in front of the gym which was by the rear of the commissary. I think that other player was Leon di Bonventura.
It seemed that the female assistants took lunch right as the extras from the party scene were taking a break. One of the cast members of a popular show made the comment "they certainly do like the sparkly men".
Of course, these were rumours and should be taking with a grain of salt.
Mark has really evolved his channel. It has become even more entertaining while taking a unique approach to film analysis and critique. Well done!
Who's Mark?
Batman forever is underrated and well Batman & Robin is Batman and Robin . Still think Batman returns is the best of the entire franchise
Batman Forever and Returns are Criminally underrated
That one and "The Dark Knight" are my favourites.
@@crakatoot5480 Uh................... Can't agree with y'all on that one. Jim Carrey is fun for the first half, but then......
@@crakatoot5480 Agreed
Batman Returns is Definitely the Darkest Batman movie even more darker than The Dark Knight (2008).
Thank you for having a different attitude and perception on this movie. It's pretty refreshing. As a hardcore Bat-Fan, I appreciate and respect your unique perspective.
Mark, one of the things I really appreciate about your videos is that you don't troll anything. I hate troll videos and people that try to get attention by bashing a movie, etc, just because they didn't like it and capitalize on perceived public opinion. Batman and Robin is a classic case of a notable cast trapped in a bad screenplay and direction, with camp. That is a good point about "toyetic", even George Lucas sold out in some cases to sell toys as he owned the Star Wars merchandizing rights. You're not going to hear many directors get humble and admit they made a bad movie, good for him. The positive outcome of this movie is that it stopped this series of Batman movies, and Christopher Nolan made his iconic "Dark Knight" trilogy.
Uma Thurman and Alicia Silverstone were the eye candy for this movie. Enough said.
Definitely. I had a crush on them in this film when I was a kid.
Yuuuup.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 same
You think??!!!
:-O
I thought it was for their in-depth portrayal of the characters and dedication to the art-form.......
;-)
They literally carried the film
I actually love it. Arnold's Mr. Freeze is my favorite Bat-villain. It's colorful, mindless FUN, just like the comics I read as a kid. I have nothing against more serious versions. I think there's plenty of room for all interpretations.
I rewatched it recently. Honestly Arnold and Uma are delightfully good in their roles. He had fun as Freeze and she brought the best abilities to play Ivy.
Just remember: if it wasn't for this movie, Nolan wouldn't have been able to resurrect it and give us the epicness that is the Dark Knight trilogy.
Thanks to Nolan we got Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman. No good deed goes unpunished
I kinda liked this better no offense. Probably just the 3 year old in me talking though
Great video, just a couple of notes:
1: The 'superhero genre' never really died after Batman & Robin, as the next year (1998) Blade came to cinemas,
and in 2000 X-Men hit the silver screens, both to great success.
2: I still don't get why people only bash Batman & Robin for having bat-nipples, as those were introduced to the costumes in Batman Forever.
No.2 - because they watched NC's old review and stuck on that :)
I was about to say...Blade is what really did it not spiderman. I think spiderman got greenlit because of Blade's success
If James Cameron started working on a Spiderman movie in the 90s, then it might still be in production. Any decade now.
i haven't seen avatar and i sure as hell don't want to see avatar 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Avatar 2 is still rendering lol!
lol
Minty I got to say I’ve loved watching your videos over the years and I’m still finding ones that were done a while ago. Ya always have great things to say about movies and your Proverbs are priceless. Really stellar brother, keep up the good fight.
I very rarely comment but I feel this is worth it.
First and foremost I would like to say I very much enjoy your content, as a whole. Articulate, a good laugh here and there, and a nice, 'look behind the scenes,' roll in the background. Length of segments, spot on.
Right, I liked soundtrack...that's bout it. I still agree with your assessment.
So, thanx again and keep on keeping on. Cheers.
I know people say that this batman is terrible but be honest Uma thurman is hot in this film🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yeah she's pretty hot
Very!
She's bloody annoying in it, horrible infact.
damn right!!!
I’ll be honest: I don’t think she’s ever been attractive.
I never expected this movie to be mom approved let alone Minty's mom!
I wouldn’t argue 😳 lol 😋
She probably grew up with the Adam West series, and Bat.an and Robin returned the movie franchise back to the campiness of that series
@@RemyJackson i absolutely LOVE the Adam West era Batman. Holy crazy fun!
@@Humongous420 I grew up watching that show. I loved it as well.
Of course mom gonna like it if it's kid friendly. Especially 90s moms.
It was actually pretty big of Schumacher to offer an apology to the fans for his part in the debacle that was "Batman and Robin"
Hey Minty! How’s things going? Your one of the original channels I subscribed to and now several years later Still one of my favorite. I really love your style and narration and just the way you give your perspective and opinion and knowledge about different movies most of us have seen. I also appreciate your extensive knowledge about not only the movie’s but the different posters and alternate casting choices and alternative . Also who would have ever imagined mr. freeze aka Arnold Schwarzenneger would become the future governor of California a trend that would later reach the U.S. presidency. I don’t think it worked out so well for the latter. Thanks for the time and hard work you put into your research and your channel I truly appreciate it. Take care and stay safe and healthy!
I remember Val Kilmer criticizing the movie for having a fight scene with ice skates as a big reason for leaving the movie.
Can't really blame him
How about "Hi, Freeze. I'm Batman."?
It was actually Blade that brought back comic films as you yourself mentioned in your Blade video.
Was Blade as massive a box office hit as Spiderman? (they both could be true; Blade helped the genre stay afloat, but Spiderman brought that genre to its former heights of glory).
@@bonghunezhou5051 and what about x-men from 2000 it also helped bring the genre back to it's former heights
@@bonghunezhou5051 while Blade made a good amount of money, 131 million on a 45 million dollar budget, X-Men did do better 296 million on a 75 million dollar budget.
However both pale in comparison to spider-man which brought in 825 million on a 139 million dollar budget.
Upon re-watching the relevant portion, I came to realize that "popular zeitgeist" is a separate thing from mere box office numbers. True, Blade and X-Men did make quite a moolah (particularly relative to production costs), but neither quite attained the aforementioned phenomenon. FTR, Spiderman even has the honour (!?) of denying Episode 2 ("...Clones") the top-grossing film of the year title.
@@marlonclark1896 dont forget unbreakable also kicked off superhero genre
I still see this movie as a fun guilty pleasure. It makes me laugh a lot and Uma Thurman totally steals the show as Poison Ivy. There’s also some really exciting battle scenes. I can also see hints of what could’ve been a much more dramatic plot. I still love this movie, no matter what anyone says. Thank you for giving it a fair review for your mom and it’s other fans!
Unfortunately, I saw this in the theatre. The only great thing about it was how incredibly sexy Uma looked in that outfit.
this movie is a direct sequel to Adam West Batman and Robin..but still as kid back then i really like it..
Unpopular opinion: As a kid, this movie was dope.
I agree with you
Most kids did. Then we grew up and learned to know better 😆
I might have been too old when I saw this in the theaters since I was 17, but I did not find this entertaining to watch.
As a kid I thought Batman Forever was an interesting new direction after Burton's darker movies. But with Batman and Robin it was like they went way too far in that direction and lost Batman altogether.
Well that's who they made it for. Sell some action figures. I know I bought some
I was 10 when this movie came out, and I loved it. It still holds up as a fun movie to watch for me and now my kids.
allright
Q. Who likes Batman & Robin ?
A. Your mum !!!
yer mom goes to college
Your mum thinks it's ice
Well she does like the ice puns
"YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!"
"Tonight forecast: A Freeze is coming!"
hehehehe
"My name is Freeze. Learn it well, for it is the chilling sound of your doom!"
iced that guy, to cone a phrase.
I admire Shumaker however he spells his name,that he actually apologized for making a bad movie.
Today Director’s will insult you on Twitter if you criticize them.
I don't blame Schumacher, it was studio interfering that ruined Forever and Batman & Robin. Also, Val Kilmer had bat nippels too, why nobody mentions that?
Well show "today's director " with your wallets and not see their p.o.s movie
@@JoakimOtamaa Val’s Batnipples weren’t as big as an emphasis. It was supposed to be the look of a Greek statue and the suit up scenes were more subtle.
Batman & Robin had 3 heroes suiting up, so more batnipples and the Greek statue idea felt like it was no more and instead it was just Schumacher using it as an opportunity to zoom in on some buttcheeks and crotches.
It wasn’t Sam Ramey’s Spider-Man that boosted the Super hero movie craze it was Blade shortly after Xmen.
My opinion has softened on this movie when I entered a discussion where someone compared this to the 60's Batman that was very campy but enjoyable. Batman and Robin just took it over the top though.
*way, way over the top and in a direction that tried too hard to be funny or even worse explaining the joke midway through the telling of it*
Clooney cracks me up every time he says he single handily almost killed the Batman franchise. I actually liked the movie and still watch it every once in a while.
I don’t hold him responsible at all. I hold Akiva Goldsman responsible. He wrote the thing.
18:44 you forget one film… BLADE came out two years after this! if it weren’t for blade, we wouldn’t have x men, spider man, a new Batman, iron man, a new Superman, avengers, justice league, flash, you name it
All the actors said that they felt like they were shooting a long toy ad
I remember seeing B&R in the theater. Disappointment in the movie was lingering as well as the ringing in my ears because this movie was LOUD. This was a time when projectionist’s control over a films showing was starting to be taken away from them and the studios and distributors had specific guidelines for theaters to follow one of which was the volume. Serious, my ears hurt after seeing this in the theater.
Honestly not even close to being the worst movie made , not even the worst superhero movies . Is it bad yes but worst ehhh . I have a soft since I saw it theaters as a kid
Heck, I find both Catwoman and Fant4stic to be the worst superhero films ever.
@@MateusHonrado Same here. I find it frustrating that people have put this among those crappy movies. At least Batman & Robin is enjoyable to watch, unlike Catwoman.
Nostalgia is clouding your judgement guys lol
@@Researcher83 Not necessarily.
The Amazing Spiderman (both films), Catwoman, Daredevil, Captain Marvel, and some others are indeed worse than B & R. Still, if there are lessons to be learned from this misguided endeavour, they are, never let the film be drastically changed by a particular cast member, and never let the essence of the film be dictated by outside interested parties.
Basically one of my favorite "so bad it's funny" films.
I agree with your mum, I loved the film and Batman Forever with the introduction of Robin/Dick Grayson.
Off topic, I love the collectibles you have in the background (and how you swap out a few that have a connection to the film you are currently reviewing) but I have to ask: you have the classic Tim Curry IT in the back so I was wondering if you will ever (or have ever) done a 10 things on either, both, or will possibly do a comparison of the two with which you liked better and why
Minty-it really touched my heart that you defended your mom’s positive opinion about the movie. My mom has also influenced me and some of my all time favorites were her suggestions.
I was in my early 30s when this movie came out. I liked this movie because of the colorful scenes and campiness. I knew it was going to be more like a comedy than a serious, dark movie when it became available on pay-per-view, so there were no surprises. I enjoyed the Batman movies with Michael Keaton, but I also liked the one with George Clooney. My least favorite was the one with Val Kilmer. Jim Carrey was perfect for the role of Riddler.
I loved the animated series and was devastated by this version of Batman. All my friends and cousins liked it though. I admit that I did like Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy.
He nailed it at the end when he said to just enjoy how bad it is with your friends. I love doing this. My best friend and I will watch it pretty much annually just for this which gives the film a special place in my heart.
"Ice" to see a review of this movie 😁
I'll see myself out.
But I do remember when Clooney said he'd pay back anybody who bought a ticket to see the movie. Hey I'm a need that money George 😂
See yourself out and take Arnold with ya.
The Simpsons predicted Arnold's character. In the episode _Last Exit To Springfield_ their Arnold character broke out of an ice sculpture and says _Ice To See You!_
The Simpsons writers group has a prophet on the payroll.
that same episode also predicts the dallas' cowboys signing of dak prescott for $160 million. homer trades bart a crummy donut for a delicious doorstop.
Find it and share the link
@@empoweredcrb23 is from the McBain movie clips. The final one, where he finally gets his revenge
@@TaliaIGhul "The Simpsons" also predicted President Donald Trump, years before it happened.
I was born in 1981 so was I was a 80's - 90's kid so Michael Keaton is and will ALWAYS be my version of Batman! 😎🦇
What a sweet sweet memory you shared with your mom. Regardless of the film, she was happy on that day.
Do Runaway, it's got Magnum P.I. and Gene Simmons in it. Oh and they predict social media back in the 80s.
Great movie.
Yeah? How did they predict something that authors like aldous huxley and phillip k. Dick were writing about as early as the 1930s? Even Jules Verne wrote about using a mechanical television as a communication tool in the 1860s. Just saying
The one thing I know for sure is that Batgirl was pretty hot
I agree
Really enjoyed this video, gives a nice spin on the movie.. Just gained a new subscriber
Minty, I really appreciate your fair approach to movies like this. It is still among my most hated movies but people do not have to be hateful. It was a cluster**** of badness that just wasn't what people wanted.
I don't care what anyone says, a part of me will always enjoy Batman & Robin.
It is not as bad as other people say. It is just the cool thing to do to hate on this film. I rather watch this movie over Catwoman any day.
Same.
Over Catwoman!! That's not saying much...It's shit dude...Totally shit
@@thejamesbondshowwithkrazyk4581 Yes but while both films are bad, if there was a choice between Batman & Robin and Catwoman on which bad film I would watch as a guilty pleasure, I'd pick the former.
I actually did see that Catwoman movie with Halle Berry on tv to see how awful it was..they were right.. I think they should have never made it.. I was never so bored in my life and the acting was just the worst...
No, it really is that bad.
Does anybody else like the suit mr freeze suit, to me it looks so cool, with that 90s charm
I definitely liked the suit Mr. Freeze wore. It made him look a lot more menacing, and ready to take on any superhero, even Superman.
90s Film and TV is sometimes like a really nice warm hug from a reliable long time friend. Predictability and cheesiness is nice sometimes, especially in these times.
Minty, those Bat puns are golden and right on the mark!
Thats what i loved about the animated series. It was a fresh of breathe air compared to all the slapstick shows that were going on at the time
As much as people claim to hate this movie, it sure gets replayed on TV a lot.
Could be cause the copyright is just dirt cheap? Don't know just a theory though.
The licensing cost on it is probably nothing.
The reason the film gets reshown a lot on television can be answered in one name: SCHWARZENEGGER!!!
Love and lush
@@wheresperry3561 what's lush?
I don’t care what anyone says, I’ve watched this movie a thousand times and I LOVE it! I don’t take it very serious and it’s a ton of fun lol.
I rather watch this batman, Than the boring souless nolan trilogy
@@percymiller8775 good point!
I actually used to work with Akiva Goldsman’s brother at a grocery store. I’ve never met Akiva, but still bump into his brother every now and again.
What a COOL video, definitely something to listen to when you wanna CHILL and sit back.
As awful as Batman & Robin is, it is still massively entertaining and I will still watch it many times in the future.
The way I see it, I rather watch a so bad it's good movie than a horrendously boring movie like Fant4stic or Catwoman
@@lancethefilmguy9392 oh yeah, this is 'The Room' of comic book movies. Fortunately I'm proud to say I've never seen Fant4stic or Catwoman.
Whenever it airs on ad-supported all-movie channels, just to make myself feel better and have some good laughs AT it!
Love your videos. I'm a new subscriber as of this week. But I wish you would've talked more on the cat women including Michelle Phifer.
When they're on the rocket, Robin sees Batman placing a device and proclaims "Bat-Bomb?"
Little did we know he was predicting the rest of the film's story and box office performance.
I'm with your mum, I like these movies. The colorful iconic costumes, the cheesy similar to the original style not at all serious like the newer ones, some fun gadgets and references that really fitted the 90s, and especially the ice puns :D I LOVE PUNS. Sure there were many things wrong with it but I liked it as a kid and it's nice to have that style of batman movie as I don't like the overly serious cold nature of the newer ones.
10 Things You Didn't Know About Batman Begins
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Excellent episode, I love your take on this movie.
Btw I *love* how you tie your Mom into this story! Very classy; makes up for your Wilson idiocy in the Cast Away post. The realism with elegance show your capability to involve 'side characters' with respect.
I love this movie, Even though It’s kind of campy. Also, I loved freeze
Alicia, God damn she is beautiful.
Thanks Minty, appreciate you review. If only we had gotten the Tim Burton series throughout...I would say the first two Blade movies gave the Spider-Man movie life. Have a good one!
Would've been better if they'd just made it "Mr. Freeze: The Movie," with Arnold kicking ice and delivering cool one-liners the whole time.
i loved this movie when it came out - it was like Halloween fun!
That's a good way of putting it, me too. Not loved, but just fun. My dislike is Robin, he's a little bitch, haha.
In '97 I was ten years old, I remember this coming out and being able to watch it on TV. I LOVE this movie, it has just the right amount of cringe to keep me coming back for more
@Kelly Servo I dont know why People have hate for Batman and Robin movie when I was 7 years old I loved the movie .
I love your videos man..keep up the great job mate😁👍🇨🇦
Uma Thurman in that Poison Ivy costume, though....💚💚💚
What's weirdest about Batgirl is that she's supposed to be English but she sounds American
And the character was written as American. They fucked up that character all around.
Where did it say she was supposed to be english? Americans can't have english uncles?
@@David-hr6kt she said she came from London
She’s not only *not* supposed to be English but she’s not supposed to be related to Alfred at all.
@@martinwestern3334 she was at boarding school, thats doesn't mean she was born there.