AudioPilz memes aside, I think people need to remember that this isn't trying to compete with a Super 6 or break any ground at all. It's like when the Arturia Astrolab came out - people complained that it was a preset machine, but SO many musicians appreciate having a keyboard setup that doesn't include a laptop and interface to muck about with on stage. Sometimes a preset machine is all you need in a band setting. As a progression of its older counterpart, this doesn't immediately make me want to upgrade. But if my DS61 ever breaks, it's nice to know that there's a more modernised version of my workhorse that I can pick up. Great video as always!
The thing is, it does compete also with Roland itself. I don't understand why you would buy this over a Fantom-06, unless you are really tight on money.
@@mudi2000a exactly, this model will outsell the Fantom-06 because of its lower price and having all the bells and whistles your average stage performer wants, Fantom-06 is overkill
@@nahrky sure. I actually kind of like this machine, along with the “good multisampler in a box” shtick. The thing is, it is very much not a juno, despite being marketed with that name. I guess the frustration and jokes stem from this fact.
No doubt this keyboard is coming to a cover band near you. Synth nerds will talk trash because this is not groundbreaking, but it definitely fills a gap. There are very few sub $1000 workstation keyboards currently on the market. The Korg Kross is I think the only other, plus Roland hasn't updated this series in like 10 years. Overall I think it's functional, covers all the bases a player would need, and way cheaper than the cheapest Fantom.
If it had any name on it other than Juno, I don’t think it’d be getting that flak. That name has been assigned so much weight by the retro synth crowd that if Roland releases anything that isn’t a one oscillator per voice analog with a super-lush chorus, they riot.
I've had a DS76 previous generation for about 7 years, played nearly 300 shows in an 80s cover band with it and never heard a complaint from bar patrons or wedding party guests about the patches sounding thin or not analog enough. It replaced a Juno Stage I had. The DS76 weighs practically nothing, allows me to use batteries when in a spot without power, I can import my own samples for custom song patches, it has a Windows 10 compatible sample editor, a patch librarian, and you get the Axial (SRX) board sound sets AND ALL THE XV-5080 patches to use since the Juno DS engine is compatible with that generation of gear. We use the audio pads for show intro recordings or set break music. I've tried to gig with a Kronos, a MODX7, and a Krome 76, and they're all sold or at home in their gig bags (too heavy, screens or surface labels too hard to read, or too many distractions/bells/whistles) On average at $150 take home a show - I've pulled in about $45k gig income earned since mid 2016 with a $849 (at the time plus $150 for a Roland gig bag) board. I put it through a Radial D2 DI and it's good to go. If I was starting over or my present DS kicks the bucket I'd pick this up in a heartbeat to get access to Scene mode and tone category shortcuts.
Looks like a capable and relatively inexpensive synth for gigs. If damaged it should be easy to find a replacement at a big box music store in the next city on the tour. As someone alluded earlier, the audience doesn’t care that you aren’t playing the latest greatest $3000-4000 polysynth in a live band setting.
What's with the names of Roland gear lately? Juno D is different synth from 2005. It still on Roland website BTW. It seems like Roland kinda forgot about their own synth?
Seeing the comments on videos of this synth makes me sad. Some of us just want something portable and playable, and with customization of the partials and an 8-track sequencer, it seems like a very useful tool for songwriting and sound design. I dunno, I’m thinking of selling the last few synths I have and getting this instead. Been wanting to consolidate anyways and this does all that I need, so I think Roland did good with this one
Technicly any digital synth could turn in to software platfrom, that's what Roland is doing. If they having good software platform, why change that? Physical instruments with digital guts are more about physical appearance then software because all that you can have on PC.
@@ShadowriverUB LoL. Good software platform? I assume that's a joke. Roland cloud is a poorly executed, subscription service, that has little interest in musicians or indeed any type of end user. Merely Software As A Service subscription.
Roland cloud is incredible value for money, especially if you compare it to other vendors, and the integration with their hardware is second to none. There is a reason that Roland is so huge. It's because people like their products and trust the brand. As far as Zencore, that is the Roland synthesis engine - it works and every manufacturer has their own equivalent, whether it is Korg, Moog, Yamaha, Novation or Sequential.
I have no idea why Roland still hasn’t done a D50 expansion with Zencore. For a synth that’s so well remembered, it feels like Roland constantly ignores it. How “Digital Native Dance” isn’t a baked in preset on their ZenCore machines is mind boggling"
Just STOP using the same generic Juno name. Its annoying at this point. Get creative and call it Zen Performance J6/J7/J8 Synthesizer. Sheesh But I guess it has that name because of its looks. Not attractive looking at all except for the screen.
Before you buy this first find out the truth about polyphony on this. The Fantom range was advertised as 256 but in real terms that is no where near the amount. Filter slopes, partials(oscillators), sustain pedal, etc fast run out and drop voices even from the piano sound. Roland are very deceitful with their marketing in these new boards. Beware folks, beware.
The patch editor on this reminds me of the original Roland Fantom FA76, where each parameter and partial were laid out on a grid to be navigated by a dpad, a scroll wheel, and 8 buttons located under the screen (of which 4 could be used to select which partials you want to edit when holding shift and the 8th button is used to select things). Because of that screen it's actually really easy to make patches for it, and very quick as well.
That's the bit which interests me, navigating through the flow of a synth is the biggest set back for my creativity and I like to see the controls all laid out.
NIce gear, crippled by their cloud, it blows, but the gear is amazing, the patches are amazing, the roland cloud feels like it needs about 5 more years to mature.
@@nickademuss42 I have a Gaia 2, Juno-X and Jupiter Xm and when you have the WC-1 and Cloud connect it’s a joy. I intensely dislike using the Roland Cloud Manager app on my Mac but with the 3 recents synths it’s really a great experience.
Roland making top of the line Jupiter X/Juno X 😅 - NO! we don’t need a screen! Let’s puts the tiny screm ever! 😡 Roland making a low standard - OMG! We need the best screen ever made in this company!!!🤩 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have been using Zencore since 1987 with my D-50. It wasn't called Zencore then but it was still a mix of VA waves with PCM samples. I then saw it in my Fantom workstation and recognized it from my D-50 but with more PCM. This one is kind of a cut down Fantom or cut down MC-707 which doesn't allow the models to be loaded like the JUNO-X allows. It is all various flavors of 1987.
@@DigiphexA reissue of the D-50 would be DOA with the general public and a reissue with changes would upset the fanboys. Why should Roland bother? They want new customers, not dudes with a wall of synths that wax nostalgic of something the general public isn’t clamoring for. I mean Bad Gear is fun and all but Roland seems to be doing fine. If they copied themselves they’d be isht upon by fanboys like Behringer is.
Whoa, JV1080 and its descendants all the way to the current Zen-Core gear blow the D-50 engine out of the water and out of orbit with extreme prejudice. The D-50 is the prototype, yes, and an utterly garbage facsimile of Zen-Core or even the older "PCM engine" shared by JV1080 and its descendants. But you are free to stroke yourself to whatever absurd delusions float your boat, of course.
And yet another Roland product without aftertouch (on the D6 and D7 variants at least). 2024 and the egregious product segmentation penny pinching is more obvious than ever.
The arpeggiator in this isn't new by far. You are missing out if you like going DAWless to some extent and do not use a workstation keyboard for support, in my opinion. The Korg Kross is better in the MIDI and sequencing departments versus Roland Junos and Yamaha MX. The Kross can also double as a decent post effects processor, too. The nice arpeggiator in this Juno-D can transmit MIDI, but the sequencer cannot. They want you switching to MC-707, Fantom-0, FA, or JD-Xi for that.
Incredibly, 30 years later Roland are still making synthesizers that sound the same as the wonderful JV 1080 from 1994, ok more connectivity, audio input, USB, blah blah, but again in the end they sound the same! Don't get me wrong, I don't want to seem like a hater, I think it's fine but nothing really revolutionary. Dear Loopop thank you for your wonderful review as always. PS give my regards to Slash!! hahaha :)
I’m trying to think of the last time I’ve heard something “revolutionary” in the synth world 🤔🤔🤔 That being said… I still know EXACTLY what you mean here lol :) cheers friend 🍻
@@chinossynthesizer705 😂 seriously though, it’s all been heard before. I haven’t heard anything in recent that has made me go “well that sounds new!” in terms of usable sounds. My opinion of course….
@@aloraliquid rmi synthesizer, Dk synergy, and seiko ds 250 are additive monsters from the 80s that are rare and were never heard before. Old 80s drum machines are good new music sucks lol the 90s were better. Additive synthesis can make usable sounds it's the player who's the one that can't use it.
“Oh, this? It’s the NEW Juno-D!…. Y…You want me to play what?….Yea, I can’t. How bout their premier Concert Grand Piano? The same one that drives their top of the line digital pianos! Oh, do you have an old Juno? I can sample it with my new Juno, so I can play Juno on my new Juno, sort of. What?” “Roland didn’t include the Juno emulations in their newest Juno?” “Why would they do that? If what you want is Juno, you’re gonna have to upgrade to the new Phantom…No. I just told you. You can’t get the Juno on the New Juno….Oh…nope not even an upgrade.”
OK, while the dramatisation is funny, and the comment section appreciates the effort, and not that I'm defending Roland for any decision, but there are dozens of JUNO presets in JUNO-D; the "model" in Fantom is really just a simplified macro controller for ZEN Core bundled with presets. I'm not belittling simplified controls, but the sound is the same. Regarding the pianos, I don't know if the EXZ samples are the same as their top of the line grands but you're not paying top of the line price here either.
I'd recommend skipping this thing. This Juno-D's successor should be more interesting. Juno-DS is not obsolete at all for now, not even the older Juno-Di.
Simpler is better sometimes. Sometimes. Juno D[678] lacks features I'd want like song-level composition and saving to wav file. Oh and shooting laser notes out the back. Did Roland copy the Nautilus display color palette? Hot pink is making a comeback.
I just received my Juno D61 to replace my old Juno 61 which I've been using for the last four years along with my Roland RD2000. I bought this one because it much easier to use and is the perfect keyboard for gigging, complimenting our bands expansion of 80s/90s covers. For me, it's a must have on top of my RD2000.
Thank you! I wonder if there a trick to play recorded patterns (scenes) sequentially, like a song mode. Maybe assigning them to the phrase pads? The max I can get 64 steps with 60 bpm. Still short. but chaining would help.
80ties looks, although my ancient W30 still looks way more futuristic and sophisticated. Many 90ies flavoured sounds. The four layer architecture shows perfectly how Roland is basically selling you the same engine again and again. Realistic piano sounds? Careful layering. The “Analog engine” probably only offers some specially selected, longer looped synth samples. That’s also how earlier digital Roland’s got away with only providing 1 LFO. Typical samples from one of Rolands classics provides one with "special" emulations. This way a multitude of “engines” can be faked by simply varying user parameter access. Nothing wrong with it as such but in the end it is still a glorified ROMpler with a RAM section added to it. Will Roland ever surprise us again? Even the interesting counterstrike aiming at Behringer has dried up.
@@Lenky-Don As a gigging player I’ve never used more than 4-8 parts on my DS76 to play 80s cover tunes with key splits and layers. Id rather have seamless audio remain when changing performances on the DS76 or D but that’s a Fantom feature.
@scott21113 yea, but what I'm saying is that they decided to make an upgrade and yet take away some important feature or options that the older model had, its like yamaha with their motif to montage, on the motif u can split the keyboard and change sounds while the split point remains where u placed it. On the montage, if u split the keyboard and change sounds, the split point is gone. So I'm not certain on the type of audience their targeting but it would be cool if this board had the 16 part feature....just saying.
@@Lenky-Don I have to back up scott, there's no way anyone was actually using the 16 layers unless producing at home. That said, DS lacks per-part EQ and MFX while this 2024 Juno-D does not. This Juno-D is not without a few minor advantages. Juno-DS was a top seller despite its Rhythm Pattern section being a pointless afterthought, and here the Juno-D seems to have inherited the arranger-like Rhythm Pattern section from FA and other midrange keyboards. I'm sticking to my DS in any event. I don't care for Roland Cloud nonsense, and I have an MC-707 for Zen-core sounds already.
@@loopop Have a dedicated software editor/librarian, load XV-5080 patches, use batteries, not have a chord memory, not have per part effects, lack many of the new effects. I have a DS61 and the D6 does everything except what I mentioned. The D6 is a slight improvement and only slightly more expensive than the most recent DS61 street price was, plus it will be around a decade with support.
I think they did improve on the interface since the DS with the new D, but there are a couple of things missing. Octave scale tuning appears to be only available via SysEx commands, and while the D has 8 layers, the DS can quickly switch between 16 layers which can be handy when controlling other synths on assigned channels. Also, it appears the "not being able to use things in parallel" is still present which I'd like to have seen improved in a newer product.
I still can't see why would anyone knowledgeable of workstations and interested in a Roland entry level workstation not save $700 more dollars to buy the fantom 06 that has the vintage roland synth expansions and with more hands on control. Roland made this silly device because of stiff competition in the entry level market especially since mpc released the key 61 and key 37 and to some extent the mpc one plus that can easily be connected to a midi controller and still out perform this mechanical mistake.
I think you answered your own question, except that competition at that price range has always been there, and not everyone has infinite money to spend on a hobby/profession they just may be beginning to explore
@@loopop This thingamajig has return to seller in a month or sell on eBay after a month written all over it. I wouldn't recommend this to my worst enemy. MPC One plus and midi controller if one is low on funds is the way to go.
@@MonetaryGain But all the keyboardists go after Roland, Korg, Casio, and Yamaha and prefer an all-in-one solution like Juno-Di, Juno-DS, Kross, MX61, and so forth. Juno-DS and MX keyboards dominate the entry-level segment, but Juno-DS lacks Roland Cloud integration, otherwise there was no reason to replace it with a newer model mostly because Yamaha hasn't upgraded their middling MX keyboards. And then Akai MPC gear has a reputation for being "for hip-hop producers" or whatever. I'm sure that the MPC Keys will change that with time, we'll see. Also, MPC Keys doesn't fully beat Roland/Korg/Yamaha/Casio in terms of included sounds and their quality. That's going to drive folks to stick to the products of the "Big Four". And before you bring up MPC sampling, most folks will never delve into that, they can barely operate their own damn keyboards as it is. Most of what the MPC Keys offers in features will go untouched despite it growing in popularity. Most people are terrible with any and all technology. Anyway, I've been hoping Akai, and especially Native Instruments, enter the workstation keyboard market and shake things up. I guess I should hope for Behringer to do the same as well. The "Big Four" skimp out on sounds as it is, competition can drive them to give us better deals. I so want Native to churn out some kind of "Kontakt keyboard" to compete. The Kontakt Factory Library is already fit for a keyboard workstation design that stage performers could make good use of, they need just expand it some more and design the keyboard that will run Kontakt and its sounds plus all of Native's FX plugins. I'm more interested in Korg and Roland being forced to step up their game.
@@MonetaryGain MPC is the best production system for the money and Juno D isn’t, but as performance keys the Juno D has some advantages. You can perform with MPC but it’s not as clear cut as you say it is …
@@Jason75913 This discussion is about the Fantom 06, MPC Keys, or MPC One Plus vs this Juno. There are more synth and sample engines and more functionality and hands on controls on the Fantom 06 and MPC products than there are on the Juno. As I am a sound designer, I can get a wider range of sounds, quality sounds, from the multiple synth and sample engines or plugins on the MPC than I can get from the Juno. The MPC has FM and wavetable synths, the Juno doesn't. It supports usb compliant devices such as audio interfaces and mixers to expand its inputs and outputs allowing me to connect, sequence, play, and record several of my hardware synths at the same time. There's no way I would buy a Juno over a MPC One Plus. The MPC One Plus provides so much more.
Is this an upgrade or downgrade of juno ds? In juno ds you could make a layer of 16 parts and here only eight...juno ds supported multn sampling and here nothing of the kind.....i was expecting enhancement of sample memory assignable buttons enhanced effetcs....enhanced audio interface but in vain😢😢😢😢😢
How is it "outdated"? Korg Kross and Yamaha MX do not beat it in sound or performance features by far. I believe that Yamaha could outdo it whenever they please, but they demonstrate that they couldn't care any less about the entry-level segment. Kross is crazy packed with features, but the performance controls and features are clunky and janky as heck, lol Juno-D has all the same 30-year-old samples and presets that Juno-DS and Juno-Di have, you know?
IMO, the sequencer looks useless if I can't structure together a whole song. I have a DS, but never used the phrase pad there either. I saw where they added the buttons to make operating the sequencer easier, but again, doesn't do anything for me unless I can string together hundreds of measures. I use my DS to perform live but run GigPerformer to change patches (yeah, I've used favorites before, but not as handy as the Setlist functionality of GP). About the only things I like is the USB-C power and 3000 sounds.
Your typical intro-verse-bridge-chorus type song works just fine on the Juno-DS, man. Separate loops for each section, and while the sequencer is running, changing the current loop cues the next one you selected to load to kick in after the current one finishes, so you can do whole songs like that easily. Juno-D lost the adjustable quantization that Juno-DS has, unfortunately.
I think this keyboard can be quite fun if you don’t have playing skills (like me) and you want to spend some time setting up scenes so that most of the parts are automated and you have to focus only on playing a small subset of the notes needed. I wonder if it would be possible to set up sequences on a part that get to be transposed by part of the keyboard?
The JDXI lets you do a trick like that with the arpegiator in hold mode using the octave up and down buttons to transpose. Also sends the arepegiated midi notes out
The only thing that still annoys me is that chunk of plastic to the left just to accommodate a small joystick, making the keyboard unnecessarily bigger than it should
Its actually nice to me on the 61, it gives a place to rest your hand and fingers and allows a very comfortable bender experience. To me this is the only place to put the bender, cant stand any other location.
This is so similar to the Juno DS. My only question that no one seems to know about is will this let you "Chain patterns" together to form a complete song or is the sequencer a basic scratch pad for ideas?
This video shows off a lot of new features that seem to not be present in the Juno DS line. Makes my decision of which one to purchase a more difficult one. Do I save a few hundred dollars and get the DS? Do I wait for this one to become available and get it? I do like the display on this one as well as the sequencer
There are plenty of people in the comment section that like their DS - so you can scroll around to see why; what I didn't include in this comparison is that the D has thousands more presets, if that's a consideration for you
I had a JUNO DS and really liked the sequencer/track mixer workflow. I think if Roland made a groovebox with pads only and added Sampling/chopping give it some of the SP-404 MK2 features that would bould real nice 👌 "JUNO-S or JUNO-SP"
@derekcrockett6214 yea sort of. I never tried one, but they could definitely improve on that from the looks of it. Add this new JUNO D screen so that you can see the mixer and also have a waveform display for sampling features. Also, I like the step sequencer on it that doubles as instrument category navigation. I think the verse lab is like the MC-101, and navigating through sounds isn't the best on that.
Ugh! Roland is the laziest synth company in the world right now! If you're counting, you cna now buy an MC-101, MC-707, Jupiter XM, Jupiter X, Juno X and now a Juno D. Oh, and a SH4D. All with the EXACT same engine. All Zen Core. All sample based. All requiring Roland Cloud on top of the price of admission. Given the company that gave us so many amazing synths and drum machines, this is pretty pathetic, no?
None of the above requires a cloud subscription. My personal opinion is that it isn't pathetic, these are different instruments that use the same technology, just like moog put their ladder filter in Mother 32, DFAM and Subharmonicon. You could argue that the core technology should allow for bigger samples, etc though, but it terms of the synth engine it very versatile.
@@distantcomets SH-4d has nothing to do with the ZenCore engine. The models are not compatible in any way with ZenCore. The wavetable engine is half of the Enzyme wavetable engine. The drawing engine is more capable than the cool drawing engine on the S-1 Aira. It has a two op FM engine that no Roland product has.
Hello Loopop, thank you very much for this test. I have a question : since a single pattern can be programmed for each scene, do you know if it possible to chain scene patterns : for exemple scene 1 = intro, scene 2 = verse, scene 3 = chorus, and when you play the sequencer and you switch from the verse to chorus, so the scene is switched properly at the end of the last bar of the current scene pattern before starting the pattern of the new scene ? Thank you for your answer.
I just want to clarify that I specifically said this is the Zenology Pro VST in a box (with some differences, let's say 95%), so no one was trying to change your mind.
@loopop lol it's all love loopop ... you can make anything sound amazing... and your run through s of synths have cost me more money then I care to announce ❣️
Thanks Loopop … again a great review. I’m a little bit disappointed about the lack of a song mode. I use the previous version JunoDS88 and I like this instrument for the available sounds in general and also the touch but that “phrase loop” thing on the right side … very limited … why not a song mode, lineair recording mode Roland? (I never use this part ) It’s not possible for recording a classical or a jazz tune because there’s a limitation in measures. I think most musicians would like to make songs, complex compositions , on the other hand, it can be a challenge to make songs with this limitation. This keyboard does do the job live, no complaints . IMO, my JunoDS sounds much better than the RD88 … that’s my taste of course 😊 but you have to do some editing because some presets sounding very flat , boring (especially the synth category). So, no big changes… It’s a JunoDS with ZenCore compatibility, new screen and knobs, …
Interesting. The Juno-D effectively replaces the DS line so that now their entry-level workstation is on Zen-Core too and they have 3 tiers on Zen-core - Juno-D, Fantom-0 and Fantom. Also, neither Korg's nor Yamaha's entry-level workstations utilize their flagship sound engines. This is a win in my opinion (but maybe I'll change my tune after I actually watch the video lol!), especially as it's effectively cheaper than the DS line was (well, not with a zen-core subscription it's not, but I'm sure that's the point).
Another review of knobs and colorful buttons. Can this instrument be used to play music? How the keyboard feels? Is the key action different / similar to Juno DS / Fantom O / Yamaha CK61? Can this instrument be used with a DAW? Are Juno D sounds better / worse than Juno DS / Fantom O / Yamaha CK / etc. Was this review for musicians?
1. If you bothered to watch the video, what I play in the intro and outro is music, and there are plenty of other videos not titled "review and tutorial" that play it further. Quick tip: read titles. 2. If you bothered to watch the video I discuss the action, how it feels and say it's the same as fantom 0 3. I can tell you if the sounds are better (same sounds as DS plus many more), but real musicians would use their ears and judge for themselves.
@@loopop My bad. I see you mentioned the keybed quickly at 9:00. Some reviewers start their review from the key action because it is more important than color buttons for most players. It seems like the Juno D6/7 has longer keys than Juno DS, so it should be easier to play. Anyways I’ve found other reviews which compared Juno DS and Juno D and did a lot of playing.
@@FirstLast-nr6gf I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with color buttons - where do I spend a lot of time on them?! Anyway, that’s why my reviews have a time stamp right there on the screen, so anyone can find what they want
realtime control: looks like there is a full sysex implementation unlike the MC series. also it looks so close the the MC, should be easy enough to make the sample import/kit/sampled instrument generator i'm working on the MC work with it.
How does calling up these thousands of presets through MIDI CC program changes work? The MC-101 has an issue of not being able to access all of them that way, which makes it unusable in settings where you rely on program changes.
@@loopop Thank you very much for your answer. If only 2 banks completely fill the memory, this means that the latter would be around 64 MB. Knowing that on the Juno DS we could on one side load 1 bank and that on the other (with the V2 of the OS) we had access to precisely 60 MB for user samples, this means that we actually have more memory on the Juno DS than on its successor ! This is really miserable on Roland's part.
There's always a lot of hate towards 'cheaper' digital instruments but I think this does a lot of things right. - Lots of easy to acces sounds - Making it easy to take the sounds from your DAW on the road - Deep patch editing on the go if needed - Quite a few playing tools / modes This instrument is not aimed at the collectors or people that already have a bunch of high end synths. This is a solid mid range board that you can take to band practice or small shows without having to worry about much. It's not perfect but it seems highly useable. Will definitely beat the average beginner Casio.
Roland are becoming like Bethesda with Skyrim: "hey, what's another place people might buy this game? Put it on that so we can skip thinking of anything new for another decade?" except it's "hey what's another place people might buy our milked-dry presets from 30 years ago to help sell software subscriptions?"
Polyphony? Personally I would keep an eye out for a mint Juno X (or Jup Xm if preferred keybed already in place) for only a bit more if going the Roland path. Gigging on this kind of budget (or any budget really) is dictated by the sound sets you need to cover. So, I could see getting this (or that mint Juno X) or maybe a Kross instead of a Yamaha CK depending on that. For sound design or studio DAW work just get their cloud subscription paired with a better controller(s). Regardless, it is a lot of go juice for relatively little dosh.
An MC-707 with no clip launch and a keyboard attached to it PLUS a waayyyy better screen. Zen-Core is a really good engine, but suffers poor preset and pcm choices. luckily you can import your own !
And less FX processing and routing capabilities than 707, less sample memory, no loopers, no sampling functions like 707, poorer sequencer, and the list goes on and on. Quite different devices for different situations and different people.
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To Roland’s credit they came out with the sh4d(owned it got rid of it wasn’t the best sounding)and now the Gaia 2. But this is their standard flare stuff not sure how this is better than the fantom O series though
It's not supposed to be better. The Fantom 0 series is much more capable. 16 part scenes, more capable sequencer with Song mode, Tonewheel Organ engine, Scene remain audio, sampling (not just playback) for either audio pads or into patch tones, more outputs, more included Zencore expansions, battery powered. Works as a multitrack audio interface with the vendor driver, can use the Zencore models of the SH, JX, Juno, and Jupiter which the Juno D-series cannot. So - it's a spot downward in the product line.
A new rompler bearing the Juno name? A certain Austrian man is gonna have a field day!
I still don't understand why Roland don't send Florian every unit they release?
@@enochroot9438😂
Maybe it's the tweezers joke?
...... i think that austrian man died a long time ago...
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At the first glace, it does look like it's going to tick all the boxes...
AudioPilz memes aside, I think people need to remember that this isn't trying to compete with a Super 6 or break any ground at all. It's like when the Arturia Astrolab came out - people complained that it was a preset machine, but SO many musicians appreciate having a keyboard setup that doesn't include a laptop and interface to muck about with on stage. Sometimes a preset machine is all you need in a band setting.
As a progression of its older counterpart, this doesn't immediately make me want to upgrade. But if my DS61 ever breaks, it's nice to know that there's a more modernised version of my workhorse that I can pick up. Great video as always!
The thing is, it does compete also with Roland itself. I don't understand why you would buy this over a Fantom-06, unless you are really tight on money.
@@mudi2000a exactly, this model will outsell the Fantom-06 because of its lower price and having all the bells and whistles your average stage performer wants, Fantom-06 is overkill
@@nahrky sure. I actually kind of like this machine, along with the “good multisampler in a box” shtick.
The thing is, it is very much not a juno, despite being marketed with that name.
I guess the frustration and jokes stem from this fact.
Now I want a video slideshow of all of Loopop's old party pictures
Fun to watch and luckily no G.A.S. was felt so all is good in the world.
No doubt this keyboard is coming to a cover band near you. Synth nerds will talk trash because this is not groundbreaking, but it definitely fills a gap. There are very few sub $1000 workstation keyboards currently on the market. The Korg Kross is I think the only other, plus Roland hasn't updated this series in like 10 years. Overall I think it's functional, covers all the bases a player would need, and way cheaper than the cheapest Fantom.
Seems like a pretty great upgrade to DS61
If it had any name on it other than Juno, I don’t think it’d be getting that flak. That name has been assigned so much weight by the retro synth crowd that if Roland releases anything that isn’t a one oscillator per voice analog with a super-lush chorus, they riot.
I've had a DS76 previous generation for about 7 years, played nearly 300 shows in an 80s cover band with it and never heard a complaint from bar patrons or wedding party guests about the patches sounding thin or not analog enough. It replaced a Juno Stage I had. The DS76 weighs practically nothing, allows me to use batteries when in a spot without power, I can import my own samples for custom song patches, it has a Windows 10 compatible sample editor, a patch librarian, and you get the Axial (SRX) board sound sets AND ALL THE XV-5080 patches to use since the Juno DS engine is compatible with that generation of gear. We use the audio pads for show intro recordings or set break music. I've tried to gig with a Kronos, a MODX7, and a Krome 76, and they're all sold or at home in their gig bags (too heavy, screens or surface labels too hard to read, or too many distractions/bells/whistles) On average at $150 take home a show - I've pulled in about $45k gig income earned since mid 2016 with a $849 (at the time plus $150 for a Roland gig bag) board. I put it through a Radial D2 DI and it's good to go. If I was starting over or my present DS kicks the bucket I'd pick this up in a heartbeat to get access to Scene mode and tone category shortcuts.
Looks like a capable and relatively inexpensive synth for gigs. If damaged it should be easy to find a replacement at a big box music store in the next city on the tour. As someone alluded earlier, the audience doesn’t care that you aren’t playing the latest greatest $3000-4000 polysynth in a live band setting.
You think JDXI is Similar?....or Any Good?
What's with the names of Roland gear lately? Juno D is different synth from 2005. It still on Roland website BTW. It seems like Roland kinda forgot about their own synth?
Ticks all the boxes for me...Battery power, lite weight, sequencer, nice display, great sounds, multitimbral, usb audio.
Love it ❤🎹❤
Seeing the comments on videos of this synth makes me sad. Some of us just want something portable and playable, and with customization of the partials and an 8-track sequencer, it seems like a very useful tool for songwriting and sound design.
I dunno, I’m thinking of selling the last few synths I have and getting this instead. Been wanting to consolidate anyways and this does all that I need, so I think Roland did good with this one
You've got the right ideas.
Everything is becoming increasingly beige and homogenous at Roland. This feels just like everything else they’ve released in the age of zencore.
Technicly any digital synth could turn in to software platfrom, that's what Roland is doing. If they having good software platform, why change that? Physical instruments with digital guts are more about physical appearance then software because all that you can have on PC.
@@ShadowriverUB zzzz
@@ShadowriverUB LoL. Good software platform? I assume that's a joke. Roland cloud is a poorly executed, subscription service, that has little interest in musicians or indeed any type of end user. Merely Software As A Service subscription.
Roland cloud is incredible value for money, especially if you compare it to other vendors, and the integration with their hardware is second to none. There is a reason that Roland is so huge. It's because people like their products and trust the brand. As far as Zencore, that is the Roland synthesis engine - it works and every manufacturer has their own equivalent, whether it is Korg, Moog, Yamaha, Novation or Sequential.
Perfect sound and software until... The next generation of perfect sound and software. No thanks
0:32 Disclaimer: synth does not actually shoot laser notes 😂
I have no idea why Roland still hasn’t done a D50 expansion with Zencore. For a synth that’s so well remembered, it feels like Roland constantly ignores it. How “Digital Native Dance” isn’t a baked in preset on their ZenCore machines is mind boggling"
Just STOP using the same generic Juno name. Its annoying at this point. Get creative and call it Zen Performance J6/J7/J8 Synthesizer. Sheesh
But I guess it has that name because of its looks. Not attractive looking at all except for the screen.
Before you buy this first find out the truth about polyphony on this. The Fantom range was advertised as 256 but in real terms that is no where near the amount. Filter slopes, partials(oscillators), sustain pedal, etc fast run out and drop voices even from the piano sound. Roland are very deceitful with their marketing in these new boards. Beware folks, beware.
Roland JUNO-D7 Synthesizer $1,149.99
Roland JUNO-D8 Synthesizer $1,299.99
Roland JUNO-D6 Synthesizer $899.99
Hello
Thought I was clicking on latest episode of Bad Gear. 🤣
Loopop! Be careful when adding Cowbell...it may summon a wild Florian!
Who says I wasn't doing that on purpose...
Normal screen on a Roland? No way, whats AudioPilz gonna do?
A follow up to the 707 with this screen would be amazing.
100%!
And sidechain compression, the glaring feature missing from the 707.
Why not just get a used Fantom 06 for about the same price? 🤣
@veganchris2923 which one better ? Juno D or fantom 06?
@@diujay fantom06 by far. 16 zones, not 7. Bigger touch screen display. Ability to load in at least one expansion.
@@veganchris2923
What about sampling memory space ?
Exactly. The only thing better on the Juno D is the class compliant USB for MIDI/audio.
@@diujay Used Fantom 06
That naming choice is confusing.
Zencore, when 10,000 presets sound annoyingly similar.
Good enough if you're a Rush, Fleetwood Mac or Pink Floyd tribute band.
Respectfully disagree
lol yep!
For 300€ more one can buy the Fantom 0 series, this keyboard ist to expensive.
Or a GO KEYS 3/5 for much cheaper that also runs Zencore, this new Juno looks really underwhelming for the price.
Yes, its price is weird.
The patch editor on this reminds me of the original Roland Fantom FA76, where each parameter and partial were laid out on a grid to be navigated by a dpad, a scroll wheel, and 8 buttons located under the screen (of which 4 could be used to select which partials you want to edit when holding shift and the 8th button is used to select things). Because of that screen it's actually really easy to make patches for it, and very quick as well.
That's the bit which interests me, navigating through the flow of a synth is the biggest set back for my creativity and I like to see the controls all laid out.
NIce gear, crippled by their cloud, it blows, but the gear is amazing, the patches are amazing, the roland cloud feels like it needs about 5 more years to mature.
@@nickademuss42 I have a Gaia 2, Juno-X and Jupiter Xm and when you have the WC-1 and Cloud connect it’s a joy. I intensely dislike using the Roland Cloud Manager app on my Mac but with the 3 recents synths it’s really a great experience.
Roland making top of the line Jupiter X/Juno X 😅
- NO! we don’t need a screen! Let’s puts the tiny screm ever! 😡
Roland making a low standard
- OMG! We need the best screen ever made in this company!!!🤩
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Thanks for the video....Sounds like a Roland slight de-balled FA06 with Zencore sounds
I have been using Zencore since 1987 with my D-50. It wasn't called Zencore then but it was still a mix of VA waves with PCM samples. I then saw it in my Fantom workstation and recognized it from my D-50 but with more PCM. This one is kind of a cut down Fantom or cut down MC-707 which doesn't allow the models to be loaded like the JUNO-X allows. It is all various flavors of 1987.
Finally someone understands
@@DigiphexA reissue of the D-50 would be DOA with the general public and a reissue with changes would upset the fanboys. Why should Roland bother? They want new customers, not dudes with a wall of synths that wax nostalgic of something the general public isn’t clamoring for. I mean Bad Gear is fun and all but Roland seems to be doing fine. If they copied themselves they’d be isht upon by fanboys like Behringer is.
@@scott21113Jupiter-8 re-issue.
Whoa, JV1080 and its descendants all the way to the current Zen-Core gear blow the D-50 engine out of the water and out of orbit with extreme prejudice. The D-50 is the prototype, yes, and an utterly garbage facsimile of Zen-Core or even the older "PCM engine" shared by JV1080 and its descendants. But you are free to stroke yourself to whatever absurd delusions float your boat, of course.
And yet another Roland product without aftertouch (on the D6 and D7 variants at least). 2024 and the egregious product segmentation penny pinching is more obvious than ever.
I think there isn't any reason in 2024 for skimping on Aftertouch.
@@mudi2000a but all ROMpler product lines do it, they want you buying the flagship 88-key model for that
64MB sample memory? WTF? In which century are living these Roland guys?🤨
😂no more juno D's for me.DS61 is my limit.with android sequencer/koala
At first glance This is ticking all the milking boxes
That Arpeggiator looks awesome. I don't know why more synths don't add arp patterns, it's always just up, down, random 😴
agree 100%
The arpeggiator in this isn't new by far. You are missing out if you like going DAWless to some extent and do not use a workstation keyboard for support, in my opinion. The Korg Kross is better in the MIDI and sequencing departments versus Roland Junos and Yamaha MX. The Kross can also double as a decent post effects processor, too. The nice arpeggiator in this Juno-D can transmit MIDI, but the sequencer cannot. They want you switching to MC-707, Fantom-0, FA, or JD-Xi for that.
Incredibly, 30 years later Roland are still making synthesizers that sound the same as the wonderful JV 1080 from 1994, ok more connectivity, audio input, USB, blah blah, but again in the end they sound the same! Don't get me wrong, I don't want to seem like a hater, I think it's fine but nothing really revolutionary. Dear Loopop thank you for your wonderful review as always.
PS give my regards to Slash!! hahaha :)
I’m trying to think of the last time I’ve heard something “revolutionary” in the synth world 🤔🤔🤔
That being said… I still know EXACTLY what you mean here lol :) cheers friend 🍻
@@aloraliquidlol, only rare old additive synths can make revolutionary sounds.
1987 D-50 was the first time I heard these VA and PCM samples. I recognized some later in my Fantom.
@@chinossynthesizer705 😂 seriously though, it’s all been heard before. I haven’t heard anything in recent that has made me go “well that sounds new!” in terms of usable sounds.
My opinion of course….
@@aloraliquid rmi synthesizer, Dk synergy, and seiko ds 250 are additive monsters from the 80s that are rare and were never heard before. Old 80s drum machines are good new music sucks lol the 90s were better. Additive synthesis can make usable sounds it's the player who's the one that can't use it.
Actually, a Colour-screen Juno-DS...!
“Oh, this? It’s the NEW Juno-D!…. Y…You want me to play what?….Yea, I can’t. How bout their premier Concert Grand Piano? The same one that drives their top of the line digital pianos! Oh, do you have an old Juno? I can sample it with my new Juno, so I can play Juno on my new Juno, sort of. What?” “Roland didn’t include the Juno emulations in their newest Juno?”
“Why would they do that? If what you want is Juno, you’re gonna have to upgrade to the new Phantom…No. I just told you. You can’t get the Juno on the New Juno….Oh…nope not even an upgrade.”
OK, while the dramatisation is funny, and the comment section appreciates the effort, and not that I'm defending Roland for any decision, but there are dozens of JUNO presets in JUNO-D; the "model" in Fantom is really just a simplified macro controller for ZEN Core bundled with presets. I'm not belittling simplified controls, but the sound is the same. Regarding the pianos, I don't know if the EXZ samples are the same as their top of the line grands but you're not paying top of the line price here either.
One of the free EXZ packs available should have that "PremierGrand" preset from the Axial expansions for Juno-DS, Integra-7, and FA.
This just looks like a slightly updated version of my DS61
I'd recommend skipping this thing. This Juno-D's successor should be more interesting. Juno-DS is not obsolete at all for now, not even the older Juno-Di.
Simpler is better sometimes. Sometimes. Juno D[678] lacks features I'd want like song-level composition and saving to wav file. Oh and shooting laser notes out the back. Did Roland copy the Nautilus display color palette? Hot pink is making a comeback.
Excellent entry-level keyboard, way more affordable than a Fantom, and for most gigs will cover everything you need.
I just received my Juno D61 to replace my old Juno 61 which I've been using for the last four years along with my Roland RD2000. I bought this one because it much easier to use and is the perfect keyboard for gigging, complimenting our bands expansion of 80s/90s covers. For me, it's a must have on top of my RD2000.
Please Roland, re-issue the Jupiter-8.
@@SPAZZOID100 imagine they did and it’s a $4000 product called ISE-NIN from a company called Black Corporation - would you buy it?
i hate seeing wasted space on the panel of a synth with few real time controls
Agreed. Could of make it a coffee cup holder
Thank you! I wonder if there a trick to play recorded patterns (scenes) sequentially, like a song mode. Maybe assigning them to the phrase pads?
The max I can get 64 steps with 60 bpm. Still short. but chaining would help.
Good video, as always, but the keyboard is pretty meh. The canned Roland sounds are so tired and boring IMO.
Roland’s UX as always is amazingly stupid. But great possibilities and sounds
I still don't get why Roland hasn't provided any Alpha Juno/ MKS50 related devices or ANYTHING ..
Great review as always LOOPOP.
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80ties looks, although my ancient W30 still looks way more futuristic and sophisticated. Many 90ies flavoured sounds. The four layer architecture shows perfectly how Roland is basically selling you the same engine again and again. Realistic piano sounds? Careful layering. The “Analog engine” probably only offers some specially selected, longer looped synth samples. That’s also how earlier digital Roland’s got away with only providing 1 LFO. Typical samples from one of Rolands classics provides one with "special" emulations. This way a multitude of “engines” can be faked by simply varying user parameter access. Nothing wrong with it as such but in the end it is still a glorified ROMpler with a RAM section added to it. Will Roland ever surprise us again? Even the interesting counterstrike aiming at Behringer has dried up.
The DS gave u the option to layer up to 16 sounds, why cut back on this?
@@Lenky-Don As a gigging player I’ve never used more than 4-8 parts on my DS76 to play 80s cover tunes with key splits and layers. Id rather have seamless audio remain when changing performances on the DS76 or D but that’s a Fantom feature.
@scott21113 yea, but what I'm saying is that they decided to make an upgrade and yet take away some important feature or options that the older model had, its like yamaha with their motif to montage, on the motif u can split the keyboard and change sounds while the split point remains where u placed it. On the montage, if u split the keyboard and change sounds, the split point is gone. So I'm not certain on the type of audience their targeting but it would be cool if this board had the 16 part feature....just saying.
@@Lenky-Don I have to back up scott, there's no way anyone was actually using the 16 layers unless producing at home. That said, DS lacks per-part EQ and MFX while this 2024 Juno-D does not. This Juno-D is not without a few minor advantages. Juno-DS was a top seller despite its Rhythm Pattern section being a pointless afterthought, and here the Juno-D seems to have inherited the arranger-like Rhythm Pattern section from FA and other midrange keyboards. I'm sticking to my DS in any event. I don't care for Roland Cloud nonsense, and I have an MC-707 for Zen-core sounds already.
I always loved Fred Flint's tone.
Yabba Dabba Do
Yabba Dabba Re
Yabba Dabba Mi
.....
The things this synth can't do will keep me using my JUNO-DS for years to come.
Interesting - I never tried one - curious, what are those things?
@@loopop Have a dedicated software editor/librarian, load XV-5080 patches, use batteries, not have a chord memory, not have per part effects, lack many of the new effects. I have a DS61 and the D6 does everything except what I mentioned. The D6 is a slight improvement and only slightly more expensive than the most recent DS61 street price was, plus it will be around a decade with support.
I think they did improve on the interface since the DS with the new D, but there are a couple of things missing. Octave scale tuning appears to be only available via SysEx commands, and while the D has 8 layers, the DS can quickly switch between 16 layers which can be handy when controlling other synths on assigned channels. Also, it appears the "not being able to use things in parallel" is still present which I'd like to have seen improved in a newer product.
I still can't see why would anyone knowledgeable of workstations and interested in a Roland entry level workstation not save $700 more dollars to buy the fantom 06 that has the vintage roland synth expansions and with more hands on control. Roland made this silly device because of stiff competition in the entry level market especially since mpc released the key 61 and key 37 and to some extent the mpc one plus that can easily be connected to a midi controller and still out perform this mechanical mistake.
I think you answered your own question, except that competition at that price range has always been there, and not everyone has infinite money to spend on a hobby/profession they just may be beginning to explore
@@loopop This thingamajig has return to seller in a month or sell on eBay after a month written all over it. I wouldn't recommend this to my worst enemy. MPC One plus and midi controller if one is low on funds is the way to go.
@@MonetaryGain But all the keyboardists go after Roland, Korg, Casio, and Yamaha and prefer an all-in-one solution like Juno-Di, Juno-DS, Kross, MX61, and so forth. Juno-DS and MX keyboards dominate the entry-level segment, but Juno-DS lacks Roland Cloud integration, otherwise there was no reason to replace it with a newer model mostly because Yamaha hasn't upgraded their middling MX keyboards. And then Akai MPC gear has a reputation for being "for hip-hop producers" or whatever. I'm sure that the MPC Keys will change that with time, we'll see.
Also, MPC Keys doesn't fully beat Roland/Korg/Yamaha/Casio in terms of included sounds and their quality. That's going to drive folks to stick to the products of the "Big Four".
And before you bring up MPC sampling, most folks will never delve into that, they can barely operate their own damn keyboards as it is. Most of what the MPC Keys offers in features will go untouched despite it growing in popularity. Most people are terrible with any and all technology.
Anyway, I've been hoping Akai, and especially Native Instruments, enter the workstation keyboard market and shake things up. I guess I should hope for Behringer to do the same as well. The "Big Four" skimp out on sounds as it is, competition can drive them to give us better deals. I so want Native to churn out some kind of "Kontakt keyboard" to compete. The Kontakt Factory Library is already fit for a keyboard workstation design that stage performers could make good use of, they need just expand it some more and design the keyboard that will run Kontakt and its sounds plus all of Native's FX plugins. I'm more interested in Korg and Roland being forced to step up their game.
@@MonetaryGain MPC is the best production system for the money and Juno D isn’t, but as performance keys the Juno D has some advantages. You can perform with MPC but it’s not as clear cut as you say it is …
@@Jason75913 This discussion is about the Fantom 06, MPC Keys, or MPC One Plus vs this Juno. There are more synth and sample engines and more functionality and hands on controls on the Fantom 06 and MPC products than there are on the Juno. As I am a sound designer, I can get a wider range of sounds, quality sounds, from the multiple synth and sample engines or plugins on the MPC than I can get from the Juno. The MPC has FM and wavetable synths, the Juno doesn't. It supports usb compliant devices such as audio interfaces and mixers to expand its inputs and outputs allowing me to connect, sequence, play, and record several of my hardware synths at the same time. There's no way I would buy a Juno over a MPC One Plus. The MPC One Plus provides so much more.
wait... it does NOT shoot out piano roll holograms from the top? that is just lazy, really...
@@loopop wrong comment.... i think?.? 😂😂
@@sebastianvega4576 oh how odd - indeed I responded to a different person - thanks I’ll delete my response and indeed I agree no lasers sucks
@@loopop all is fine. just leave it as is. just wanted to tell you, so the other guy does not miss your answer 😊
Kinda weird they don’t allow it to support micro timing but the AIRA sampler they just released does.
Does that mean 32nd notes at a BPM under
Is this an upgrade or downgrade of juno ds? In juno ds you could make a layer of 16 parts and here only eight...juno ds supported multn sampling and here nothing of the kind.....i was expecting enhancement of sample memory assignable buttons enhanced effetcs....enhanced audio interface but in vain😢😢😢😢😢
Agreed, Juno DS has more options with the layering and the pattern sequencer. I'm hanging on to mine!
It's really only an upgrade if you want Roland Cloud integration. If that doesn't interest you, stick to Juno-DS or Juno-Di instead.
Great intro!!! ❤
So am update to the DS series? Nice. I have the Juno Ds61 and it rocks but is getting outdated. Might upgrade to this for sure
How is it "outdated"? Korg Kross and Yamaha MX do not beat it in sound or performance features by far. I believe that Yamaha could outdo it whenever they please, but they demonstrate that they couldn't care any less about the entry-level segment. Kross is crazy packed with features, but the performance controls and features are clunky and janky as heck, lol
Juno-D has all the same 30-year-old samples and presets that Juno-DS and Juno-Di have, you know?
IMO, the sequencer looks useless if I can't structure together a whole song. I have a DS, but never used the phrase pad there either. I saw where they added the buttons to make operating the sequencer easier, but again, doesn't do anything for me unless I can string together hundreds of measures. I use my DS to perform live but run GigPerformer to change patches (yeah, I've used favorites before, but not as handy as the Setlist functionality of GP). About the only things I like is the USB-C power and 3000 sounds.
Your typical intro-verse-bridge-chorus type song works just fine on the Juno-DS, man. Separate loops for each section, and while the sequencer is running, changing the current loop cues the next one you selected to load to kick in after the current one finishes, so you can do whole songs like that easily. Juno-D lost the adjustable quantization that Juno-DS has, unfortunately.
I think this keyboard can be quite fun if you don’t have playing skills (like me) and you want to spend some time setting up scenes so that most of the parts are automated and you have to focus only on playing a small subset of the notes needed. I wonder if it would be possible to set up sequences on a part that get to be transposed by part of the keyboard?
I didn't see that feature
@@loopop I personally would have liked a transpose feature. But maybe it isn’t that important in the grand scheme of things.
The JDXI lets you do a trick like that with the arpegiator in hold mode using the octave up and down buttons to transpose. Also sends the arepegiated midi notes out
I love how my JV-30 evolved over the years 🙂
lol
Master key. + - feature available in this keyboard?
The only thing that still annoys me is that chunk of plastic to the left just to accommodate a small joystick, making the keyboard unnecessarily bigger than it should
Its actually nice to me on the 61, it gives a place to rest your hand and fingers and allows a very comfortable bender experience. To me this is the only place to put the bender, cant stand any other location.
This is so similar to the Juno DS. My only question that no one seems to know about is will this let you "Chain patterns" together to form a complete song or is the sequencer a basic scratch pad for ideas?
As I mention in the video, no it's not possible
Not bad. Really good if you have the zenology software.
Can the sequencer record /sequence automation of filters , ratchets, reverbs,etc??? How many lanes of such automation will it record?
@@ajapa7658 4 lanes and yes (ratchets are in the steps separately so they won’t cost you a lane)
why no Behringer Reviews again? I forgot what happened some yrs ago with you two. too bad you don't show us the UB-XA 😢
Here you go: synthanatomy.com/2023/08/behringer-accuses-loopop-of-not-doing-reviews-because-they-dont-send-him-free-gear.html
This video shows off a lot of new features that seem to not be present in the Juno DS line. Makes my decision of which one to purchase a more difficult one. Do I save a few hundred dollars and get the DS? Do I wait for this one to become available and get it? I do like the display on this one as well as the sequencer
There are plenty of people in the comment section that like their DS - so you can scroll around to see why; what I didn't include in this comparison is that the D has thousands more presets, if that's a consideration for you
I had a JUNO DS and really liked the sequencer/track mixer workflow. I think if Roland made a groovebox with pads only and added Sampling/chopping give it some of the SP-404 MK2 features that would bould real nice 👌 "JUNO-S or JUNO-SP"
I would definitely be interested in that, that's a great idea
Isn't that a VERSELAB?
@derekcrockett6214 yea sort of. I never tried one, but they could definitely improve on that from the looks of it. Add this new JUNO D screen so that you can see the mixer and also have a waveform display for sampling features. Also, I like the step sequencer on it that doubles as instrument category navigation. I think the verse lab is like the MC-101, and navigating through sounds isn't the best on that.
Hmm seems better and cheeper than arutias version
Ugh! Roland is the laziest synth company in the world right now! If you're counting, you cna now buy an MC-101, MC-707, Jupiter XM, Jupiter X, Juno X and now a Juno D. Oh, and a SH4D. All with the EXACT same engine. All Zen Core. All sample based. All requiring Roland Cloud on top of the price of admission. Given the company that gave us so many amazing synths and drum machines, this is pretty pathetic, no?
None of the above requires a cloud subscription. My personal opinion is that it isn't pathetic, these are different instruments that use the same technology, just like moog put their ladder filter in Mother 32, DFAM and Subharmonicon. You could argue that the core technology should allow for bigger samples, etc though, but it terms of the synth engine it very versatile.
@@distantcomets SH-4d has nothing to do with the ZenCore engine. The models are not compatible in any way with ZenCore. The wavetable engine is half of the Enzyme wavetable engine. The drawing engine is more capable than the cool drawing engine on the S-1 Aira. It has a two op FM engine that no Roland product has.
They don't require Roland Cloud, and they are different products for different people, situations, and markets outright.
How about a new MC with a screen like that and full synth model editing capabilities.
MC-707? It rocks.
May i know can this juno d8 do whatever that juno ds88 could do? Is this juno d8 better than juno ds88?
yes and no, depends on what you want to do with the keyboard. They each have their advantages and disadvantages versus each other.
Roland sound good as usual.
Hello Loopop, thank you very much for this test. I have a question : since a single pattern can be programmed for each scene, do you know if it possible to chain scene patterns : for exemple scene 1 = intro, scene 2 = verse, scene 3 = chorus, and when you play the sequencer and you switch from the verse to chorus, so the scene is switched properly at the end of the last bar of the current scene pattern before starting the pattern of the new scene ? Thank you for your answer.
No, to my knowledge you cannot chain scenes
@@loopop Thank you very much!
Can you shift scenes and thereby change sequence data with it on the fly - so to have patterns for live performance?
No, at least not in the current firmware
@@loopop Same problem with the FA-06 - which I actually loved - and the Fantom got less intuitive.
Expensive vst controller... and youll never change my mind
I just want to clarify that I specifically said this is the Zenology Pro VST in a box (with some differences, let's say 95%), so no one was trying to change your mind.
Would be if the midi worked…
@loopop lol it's all love loopop ... you can make anything sound amazing... and your run through s of synths have cost me more money then I care to announce ❣️
Exactly right dude
@triplebeam23 it’s just a raspberry pi in a keyboard wish loopop would crack them open and show what’s inside
Look it's going to be on bad gear in a few weeks but hey I still want this one
Florian has yet to touch any of the dozen Juno workstation keyboards. It looks like he won't.
Thanks Loopop … again a great review. I’m a little bit disappointed about the lack of a song mode. I use the previous version JunoDS88 and I like this instrument for the available sounds in general and also the touch but that “phrase loop” thing on the right side … very limited … why not a song mode, lineair recording mode Roland? (I never use this part ) It’s not possible for recording a classical or a jazz tune because there’s a limitation in measures. I think most musicians would like to make songs, complex compositions , on the other hand, it can be a challenge to make songs with this limitation. This keyboard does do the job live, no complaints . IMO, my JunoDS sounds much better than the RD88 … that’s my taste of course 😊 but you have to do some editing because some presets sounding very flat , boring (especially the synth category). So, no big changes… It’s a JunoDS with ZenCore compatibility, new screen and knobs, …
„By your command…“ 😂❤
Interesting. The Juno-D effectively replaces the DS line so that now their entry-level workstation is on Zen-Core too and they have 3 tiers on Zen-core - Juno-D, Fantom-0 and Fantom. Also, neither Korg's nor Yamaha's entry-level workstations utilize their flagship sound engines. This is a win in my opinion (but maybe I'll change my tune after I actually watch the video lol!), especially as it's effectively cheaper than the DS line was (well, not with a zen-core subscription it's not, but I'm sure that's the point).
Another groundbreaking Roland synthesizer?
Nope, another helping of Roland digi-soup straight to Bad Gear. 😮
Nothing wrong with digital synths.
Hi, I have a question, does the sequencer allow to record several tracks at the same time? Thank you for your answer.
Another review of knobs and colorful buttons. Can this instrument be used to play music? How the keyboard feels? Is the key action different / similar to Juno DS / Fantom O / Yamaha CK61? Can this instrument be used with a DAW? Are Juno D sounds better / worse than Juno DS / Fantom O / Yamaha CK / etc. Was this review for musicians?
1. If you bothered to watch the video, what I play in the intro and outro is music, and there are plenty of other videos not titled "review and tutorial" that play it further. Quick tip: read titles.
2. If you bothered to watch the video I discuss the action, how it feels and say it's the same as fantom 0
3. I can tell you if the sounds are better (same sounds as DS plus many more), but real musicians would use their ears and judge for themselves.
@@loopop My bad. I see you mentioned the keybed quickly at 9:00. Some reviewers start their review from the key action because it is more important than color buttons for most players. It seems like the Juno D6/7 has longer keys than Juno DS, so it should be easier to play. Anyways I’ve found other reviews which compared Juno DS and Juno D and did a lot of playing.
@@FirstLast-nr6gf I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with color buttons - where do I spend a lot of time on them?! Anyway, that’s why my reviews have a time stamp right there on the screen, so anyone can find what they want
realtime control: looks like there is a full sysex implementation unlike the MC series. also it looks so close the the MC, should be easy enough to make the sample import/kit/sampled instrument generator i'm working on the MC work with it.
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How does calling up these thousands of presets through MIDI CC program changes work? The MC-101 has an issue of not being able to access all of them that way, which makes it unusable in settings where you rely on program changes.
In case you do not remember it was definately Slash!
Still watching...
Hi how big is expansion memory in this JUNO D ?
@@Nicolas_J3869 same question
Roland says up to two EXZ assuming you don't load user samples (it's shared memory)
@@loopop Thank you very much for your answer.
If only 2 banks completely fill the memory, this means that the latter would be around 64 MB.
Knowing that on the Juno DS we could on one side load 1 bank and that on the other (with the V2 of the OS) we had access to precisely 60 MB for user samples, this means that we actually have more memory on the Juno DS than on its successor ! This is really miserable on Roland's part.
Which current Roland desktop box has all these drum kits?
There's always a lot of hate towards 'cheaper' digital instruments but I think this does a lot of things right.
- Lots of easy to acces sounds
- Making it easy to take the sounds from your DAW on the road
- Deep patch editing on the go if needed
- Quite a few playing tools / modes
This instrument is not aimed at the collectors or people that already have a bunch of high end synths. This is a solid mid range board that you can take to band practice or small shows without having to worry about much.
It's not perfect but it seems highly useable. Will definitely beat the average beginner Casio.
they should gift you the stuff and pay you ontop for your deep high quality reviews/manuals.. better than any ad
Roland are becoming like Bethesda with Skyrim: "hey, what's another place people might buy this game? Put it on that so we can skip thinking of anything new for another decade?" except it's "hey what's another place people might buy our milked-dry presets from 30 years ago to help sell software subscriptions?"
A lot like Yamaha and Korg have been.
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Polyphony? Personally I would keep an eye out for a mint Juno X (or Jup Xm if preferred keybed already in place) for only a bit more if going the Roland path. Gigging on this kind of budget (or any budget really) is dictated by the sound sets you need to cover. So, I could see getting this (or that mint Juno X) or maybe a Kross instead of a Yamaha CK depending on that. For sound design or studio DAW work just get their cloud subscription paired with a better controller(s). Regardless, it is a lot of go juice for relatively little dosh.
See description for a discussion of polyphony
Thanks for all the synth presentations!
Glad you like them and thanks!
@@loopop
Thanks mate!
An MC-707 with no clip launch and a keyboard attached to it PLUS a waayyyy better screen. Zen-Core is a really good engine, but suffers poor preset and pcm choices. luckily you can import your own !
And less FX processing and routing capabilities than 707, less sample memory, no loopers, no sampling functions like 707, poorer sequencer, and the list goes on and on. Quite different devices for different situations and different people.
Hello, Thank You for Your help and videos. Have a request about doing a video and go Extremely Deep in Describing the Trogotronic TR-Valkyrie if possible. Thank You 😊
My pleasure and noted!
A new VST in a bigger box. KORG AND ROLAND are a joke today.
@@bangmateo7481 Agreed.
Better get an iPad and a Komplete kontrol MIDI keyboard
all I want is a TR-07 🤣
Im from Thailand I like This
To Roland’s credit they came out with the sh4d(owned it got rid of it wasn’t the best sounding)and now the Gaia 2. But this is their standard flare stuff not sure how this is better than the fantom O series though
It's not supposed to be better. The Fantom 0 series is much more capable. 16 part scenes, more capable sequencer with Song mode, Tonewheel Organ engine, Scene remain audio, sampling (not just playback) for either audio pads or into patch tones, more outputs, more included Zencore expansions, battery powered. Works as a multitrack audio interface with the vendor driver, can use the Zencore models of the SH, JX, Juno, and Jupiter which the Juno D-series cannot. So - it's a spot downward in the product line.
Можно ли его считать младшим братом нового Jupiter 80 v.2?