Totally agree. I’m honestly a little bit jealous of anyone who gets a free synth to mess with and review for a video, but I wouldn’t even come close to the quality, depth, breadth, and completeness of the reviews done by this guy. Super excellent overview, just like every other video.
It's a gorgeous synth. Even when I'm not in the market for a premium poly analog, I still love to watch these whole videos for sound design inspiration.
@@sunnypedaalI wonder if Moog realized that they priced their only poly outside the reach of too many potential buying audience. This is certainly a very good apology.
Loopop is the OG of New Synth Demos & Explanations. The only thing he doesn’t do is open the thing up, take it apart, and re assemble it. Another awesome video bro. ✌️🙂
@@loopop I’d love to see somebody (a qualified Moog technician?;) open the hood on this beast. Probably very pretty with the 8 voices. .. Off-topic question but… given the Modulation Oscillator that can do audio rates and track keyboard… wonder if they could add linear FM as a mod matrix possibility? That would open up a whole world of different timbres for the main osc and somewhat mitigate the ‘it’s just regular VCO shapes’ con. Just a thought.
Sounds like what Markus Fuller’s channel was like a while back. He had all vintage and found stuff to restore, but it was interesting seeing the build quality and philosophy of the different synths and manufacturers.
A few years back I sold my Prophet 6 and bought a Prophet 10 since I preferred the sound of the 10 way more. The Moog Muse was not out at the time, but it definitely would have been a contender.
Thanks Loopop for the video! ❤ Anyone who is interested, let me quickly highlight how this synth is unique or interesting IMO: - the LFOs, apart from the usual shapes, come with complex custom shapes (the "+" symbol above the waveform button) - in the dual VCOs there is a wavemix feature where you can set the balance of levels between pulse and triangle / saw (/which you can also mix freely!) - you can program a lot of generative behavior into the sequencer with gate, velocity and note chance / probability for more unpredictability - there's dual timbre addressing in the sequencer so it can play both timbres at once or only chosen notes for timbre A and B (which makes it more fun!) - in the mod matrix you can use functions to change the well-known shapes of sine, square LFOs into uniquely new ones, or create custom curves for envelopes / aftertouch response, etc. - the mixer allows for a clean mix of all analog sources but you can also use the overload slider to overdrive the signal like the classic Moog CP-3 mixer does - the delay works like vintage digital rack units in that it's highly configurable and can provide stereo delays with ping pong behavior, filtered multi-tap tape echo-style delays, or reverb + dreamy chorused-diffusion trails. Generally it's a sonic playground for time-based effects. Thank you Moog!!!
@DjembeDoug Thanks, I have one!:) A while back Moog contacted me and said they liked my work. They asked if I’d like to take part in the development of a new analog poly-synth (the Muse). Of course I agreed! I've also made some factory presets for it together with Kevin Carballo, Cloudface, Lisa Bella Donna, Steve Dunnington, Manny Fernandez, Eric Frampton, Chris Miller, Erik Norlander, Stephen Petoniak, Max Ravitz, Drew Schlesinger and Danny Wolfers.
I love the sequencer, and the sound of the filters. But it also just looks gorgeous. I love the cylindrical slider caps like on the MG-1 or the Polymoog. And it has a whisper of the Jupiter 8, with the colorful buttons. I like!
Didn't finished the video yet , but one thing jumped on me , yep Loopop has skills to make synths sing, but even , i didn't find one weak spot on all settings he tried from OSC morphing to interaction bewteen them (usually synths get FM or even sync kinda funny in ranges ect ...) , nothing bad , a simply BIG sweet spot in all areas !!! Def a sign of a solid release imho ... Thks Loopop as usual for the superb review , chill and calm presentation ....
Thank you for the awesome overview. I love how soft and warm this synth can sound. On the other side it can be lovely nasty. Mine is coming in 8-10 weeks. ❤
For years I wanted a good compromise of an Analog synth with creamy Moog-like leads and useful pads and ambient, crazy sounds. I think the day has come. Brilliant demo, Ziv Sachtein.
Great video! the Muse definitely looks interesting, but... I already have a Matriarch/Subsequent 37/Grandmother, and this device is post-acquisition by InMusic. (That said, I did get the Spectravox and Labyrinth, both are post-acquisition by InMusic and are great!) I think if I was going to drop that much cash, then I might get the Arturia PolyBrute 12 Polyphonic 12-voice Morphing Analog Synthesizer (12 voices). I did purchase the much cheaper AstroLab and have really enjoyed it so far (it kind of got me into Arturia Analog Lab 5, Pigments, Augmented, and more). Great video, as always, Loopop! Your influence has inspired me to buy some 🤑and to avoid others like the plague🥶.
I've had one for a couple of weeks now... It's an amazing synth and I'm really enjoying making patches, especially with these filters making that creamy, dreamy Moog tone. It's my 7th Moog, but the first polyphonic one. Sleep is now a waste of time.. Excellent tute once again Mr. Loopop! 👊🏼😎🎹
Not sure how I feel about the Rogue-era sliders, BUT this seems to be a great balance between the One and the Grandmother but with an expanded feature set. Really exciting development here.
I think they made good choices in the combination of knobs and sliders here. Personally I've never liked to set envelopes with knobs all that much, which is the more common way on most Moog synths. I always liked the sliders on my Roland synths much more for this. With sliders you can immediately see the envelope shape and quickly adjust envelopes live even with just one hand. So I'm happy to see Moog decided to put sliders on this synth for that.
Heard that @Jexus made presets for the Muse. Not fair, that guy can make any synthesizer sound awesome 🙂 Amazing synthesizer from Moog. Thanks for the video 👍
This is the last Moog to be released that was being worked on before the takeover...so really the last "real" Moog to come out....but feel free to disagree.
With the LFOs, fm, sync, dual filters and mod matrix combined this is really capable of making creative sounds in a novel way. Good on Moog for continuing to innovate.
I thought that when I first saw an overhead pic, too. I also kinda wonder if they designed the aesthetics to look "right", when sitting above a Yamaha YC73/88? Because, I think it really would look like they belong together. I don't have a YC, but I tried a couple out when I was looking for a lightweight stage piano. It looked good.
Actually the mod stuff and all the stepper assignments feels like they were inspired by the Sequential Pro 3. I absolutely love mine, can’t wait to hear the presets on this beast.
Love my Super Gemini as well. It fits in well with my JP-8, 3rd Wave and Melbourne Nina polysynth setup. This Muse though may be a contender in the future as it seems to have a little more of a raw tone to it than the Super Gemini. Then again the more I play and twiddle my SG the more I find that it does things I thought it could not. Something really special about those low-mid frequencies with the SG. Only my old JP-8 has that presence !
@@antoniorusso5149 keep digging...it gets NASTY. And that’s kinda what I’m not hearing here, the Muse is incredibly polite sounding, a tad too polished for my end of the gnarl spectrum. Hoping we see some of its wilder side
@@edbifner6370I got the Behringer vibe, as well. Until it hits retail stores, the quality, will be suspect. I remember thinking Elektron were cheap looking. I have 4 Elektron units and their quality is impeccable.
This synth has been teased by "synthfluencers" all over the internet for months now. Even prior to the big inMusic announcement we had seen glimpses of it in Andrew Huang's studio. Honestly 6 to 8 months later and it just isn't exciting at all
Yep. Muse has been in the pipeline for a while now. Looks to me like a new classic. It’s what i was hoping they’d make.. i love my Matriarch but was really wanting a Moog poly with stereo filtering. Time to sell some kit!
InMusic is also a company whose shareholders require them to come out with new products CONSTANTLY even if the market isn’t really asking for it. Innovation is key in their company for better or worse. Source: I live near their headquarters in New England and many friends have worked for them in the past
The randomize with pitch quantize is a game changer. I do that in both eurorack and ableton. Amazing they’ve included it on a quick onboard sequencer. Love it.
@@sub-jec-tiv I know that's absolutely wild. It's a fair price for all it's got. Plus super easy to understand by just looking at it. I'll never buy it because my Take 5 is plenty for me but it's really filling a lot of gaps out there not just the sequencer. That delay unit is crazy,, I guess it's similar to what there is on the Matriarch. Do you happen to know if you can you live record into the microsteps of the sequencer? How many microsteps per step?
@@electrosonicnebula I’d guess if the manual isn’t up now, it will be soon. I kind of enjoy looking at owners manuals in my spare time, i’m a weirdo. But you can learn a lot 🤓
@@sub-jec-tiv ooookay then I'll rtfm lol. For all I know Loopop mentions it but of course skipped through the video haha. Wish the COVID vaccine had also been an implant of all the synth manuals I'm interested in. I hated reading manuals when they came on paper... Could it be because my job is to write them and has been for the better part of 20 years? Edit: not synth manuals unfortunately, that would be sweet
The sound of the Prophet 10 reissue makes up for its limitations. I had the Prophet 6 which had tons of sound capabilities, but I wanted a rawer warm sound. The 10 fit the bill. The Muse sounds nice and has tons of sound sculpting capabilities, but I am not hearing that magic Moog sound. The Moog Grandmother had that magic sound and was based on some of the modular oscillators and filters if I am not mistaken. The Muse is based on the Voyager oscillators which I did not care for.
I've watched this review and the polybrute/pb12 reviews way too many times, but I finally pulled the trigger today. Muse it is, based on pure character. That Pb12 is a monster and I'd really like to have a lot of its features. But I'd just hate to not own the Muse.
4:22 The wobble on that knob 😬 AFAIK, Moog has always had the most solid, stable, and tactilely pleasant knobs in the industry, but that wobble worries me. Nowadays it seems almost accepted that modern synth knobs are "supposed" to have some "play" in them, but I think it's lame. Still…I like the look and sound of this.
Yeah I thought that looked a bit wobbly. That said, the knobs on my little phatty 2 are a bit wobbly. Best knobs are sequential imo, with TE taking top place for the rotary encoders on the op1
@@entropybentwhistle I know exactly what you mean, but no, it was wobble. At that price point, nothing should be wobbling. The knobs on older Moog synths I've played are rock solid. Even the brand new Martriarch has very solid knobs.
@@dcpayne5264 That's sad (about your Little Phatty 2). Like I said, it seems like it's just accepted/acceptable for synths to have loose and wobbly knobs now - and it's not like it's an expensive thing to get right. I'd say just replace 'em but they're all soldered to PCBs.
Go for this! P5 is incredible sounding but not nearly as versatile as even the P6. I just rebought the obx8, but I may have went with the Muse instead if the timing had fit. This thing has features no other analog poly has…special instrument here!
I sold my Prophet 6 to buy the Prophet 10 due to preferring the sound of the 10 better. The 6 had a lot of sound sculpting abilities, but the sound was just not what I wanted. Definitely play these in person before you buy, and you will know what jives for you best. The oscillators in the Muse are based on the Voyager which I don't quite like the sound of. I would love if they could get the sound of the Moog Grandmother or Minimoog Model D in a polyphonic synth. I like that warmer and fatter Moog imperfect sound.
@@Jikodis I am with you, I had a prophet 6, a lovely synth but coming from Roland analogues, the wave shapes lacked any real definition. The 5/10 oscillators are definitely better. And that’s why I choose the P10 desktop over even the gorgeous Muse. But I do have a Matriarch for my Moogness..❤️
@@AndrewJohnClive Glad you were able to get the P10! I have always loved the sound of some of the old green Roland modulars. Also the Jupiter 4. Glad you have some Moog Sound. My first synth was the Moog Little Phatty, but I never loved the sound of it either. I eventually bought a Mos-Lab Moog modular clone and am quite happy with it. Got it with the 901 oscillators.
Really bummed to see they carried over the filter passband issue from the Grandmother/Matriarch where opening up the filter fully with no resonance causes a drop in volume (you can hear/see in the spectrograph around 12:18). Can't believe Moog didn't rectify this for such a big release :(
Bass compensation is a nice feature but I will not consider the lack of it an issue, most synths in existence do that, also, it doesn't loos that much, you can post compensate it if need to.
I think I read somewhere about a mod where you can remove a capacitor or resistor somewhere in order to fix this. Have you heard of such a thing? I think it was a forum post on gearspace or something but I can’t seem to find it now.
@@xfghffhfg This doesn't have anything to do with bass compensation. This is the behavior of the filter with no resonance--the volume literally drops when he opens up the filter fully. This was a problem on the grandmother/matriarch and it's NOT something I want on a $3500 synth.
@@xfghffhfg No, it actually doesn't. The whole signal level drops slightly with filter fully open on the Muse. The Moog Matriarch/GM and now Muse are the only synths I have ever seen do this.
At first glance, the design is interesting, reminiscent of old Yamaha or Roland products. Around the programmer display is like a car stereo, which I think will help me concentrate better.
please do not take offence of this, because it's a marvellous musical instrument but this design almost reminds of a Behringer design ripping of a vintage synth! 🤣. It's clear a new phase of Moog instruments has begun, both aesthetically as soundwise. I'm not a purist myself but I can imagine some old Moog freak raising an eyebrow on this development. I hope to see more interesting stuff.
Negatives for me: No poly aftertouch, screen looks a little small, digital delay. Positives: user LFOs, bi-timbral, proper stereo, balanced outputs, dual Moog filters. Would really have loved to see some analogue delay, analogue chorus and analogue drive built in to make it compelling and characterful. Bucket brigade, modulated delay. Basically built-in moogerfoogers. Personally I don't have an interest in buying this right now but I wish Moog all the best with it!
Its beauty but Its just a touch too menu divey for me. I will still always prefer a giant bloated interface with full control instead of menu diving. Especially the LFO + waveshapes, some basic control on panel for that would have been so much nicer, also the arpeggiator. Having said that though, this thing looks great. And props to moog for making it a 5 octave keybed. I detest 4 octave keybeds. I would actually consider purchasing this
Thank you for not only doing a fantastic review, but for capturing a high fidelity recording of the Muse…its sounds incredible. Do you mind sharing what interface you’re recording into?
Pretty weird legato glide is absent. I use that all the time. I think the Novation Summit, with 16 voices, analog filters and premium varied effects is a better value at $2,200.
@@astrarivm I really think as RUclips and other outlets for information are exposing the fact that clones and VST's sound between 95-99% as good as premium priced synths, buyers are rethinking what they buy going forward and that's a good thing. I cannot tell you how many people I know that buy these $3-$6 synths and can barely play a chord. They are like car collectors that have trouble finding where the engine is.
@astrarivm Behringer is good as long as you are fine with it not sounding identical...close is good enough usually though.....but I do worry about build quality (only takes 1 bad part to disable the synth). That being said, I love my Mono/Poly clone.
I think it is missing effects of the Moogerfooger like chorus and phaser. But if going digital, why not have tons of effects like many keyboards do and they could be saved into the patch making life easier.
It's not clear in the review, but as you can assign targets via knob wiggle in the mod matrix, it seems possible to target the parameters of delay that way. Being able to modulate effect parameters is pretty much THE reason to have onboard effects apart from saving with patch. Having more effects would then mean more knobs and a bigger more expensive synth. (Except of course - as everything is digitally controlled anyway - they could use encoders with LED rings so we could easily switch between multiple effects and could have additional things like infinite ADSRs, LFO's etc. and make the panel reflect the actual patch) As a positive you can likely control a few parameters of your favourite Moogerfooger via the CV outs.
I really love the UI, however, in terms of sound...especially as a Prophet Rev 2 owner...I don't feel like I am missing out on much. Then again I have not played the synth in person yet, so we shall see.
Nothing to do with this video, but thanks on not participating of the massive Teenage Engeneering gadget propaganda. Their medieval BS was a very good way to define who’s serious and who’s their only for the clout. Thanks for that! ✌🏽
Not sure why it was giving me some strong Andromeda A6 vibes (not a bad thing at all) and then I realised moog, as alesis went to become, is also an inline music brand now.
It really doesn't sound like the A6.The A6 has 16 note poly and is eight part multi timbral, also much deeper for sound design. I couldn't really say which one sounds 'better' it would be interesting to put them side by side. In some ways the A6 is closer to the Moog One but it sounds quite a bit thinner than that.
@@BullyMaguire4ever the original A6 is flawed in some ways, if someone could iron out those issues and add poly aftertouch it would be a killer synth (its still pretty good as it is). I wonder if Moog were trying to do something similar with the Moog One? It has some design features in common with the A6. For reference this is what the A6 sounds like without FX ruclips.net/video/PQP0nJR47e0/видео.html
They should have offered this 5 or 10 years ago. Would have saved them from being sold.. In any case, sounds nice, covers the basics, but it's not groundbreaking. Which is fine, because a bread and butter poly synth is what moog needs. Too bad it arrives too late.
Tengo un Sequential Prophet rev2 16 voice. En los papeles parecen ser muy parecidos, pero cada vez que escucho el Muse, me quedo fascinado con la calidez y expresividad de su sonido.
Thanks Loopop for your detailed explanation … what a beautiful sounding synth. I like the raw sound of it … this one brings me back to the 80s 😊. One thing to mention … there’s something wrong about the quality, some hardware issues, about printed labels and also about missing a blower for cooling the system … now, I get this from another review and I must say … I was a little surprised about that because I don’t expect issues especially from this brand Moog. Would like to know what you think about that … Grtz
I never got the Moog thing. I've always wanted to get it but the sounds are just too bare and take too much layering to work in anything I write. Hammonds I get, Oberheims I get, a few Rolands I get, Arturia's Polybrute I get, not one single Moog do I get. They are instruments and if synths were wind instruments I like saxophones, I don't care for trumpet, Moogs are, to me, a trumpet. I just don't hear things from them that inspire me to match them up with acoustic instruments, how I was born, nothing made me this way and I really don't think it's just me. Great video, regardless.
How can this guy makes so accurate tests of every new synth ? It's so well done
Totally agree. I’m honestly a little bit jealous of anyone who gets a free synth to mess with and review for a video, but I wouldn’t even come close to the quality, depth, breadth, and completeness of the reviews done by this guy. Super excellent overview, just like every other video.
For real, I don’t even know this much about the synths I *own* lol
It's a gorgeous synth. Even when I'm not in the market for a premium poly analog, I still love to watch these whole videos for sound design inspiration.
I get the feeling loopop really enjoys playing with and exploring these. 🙂
Talk about a cool job!
Always a nice break to watch!
Same, this is 5k CAD, 2.5 times the price of my already very expensive Vermona 😂
I will never have it but love listening to it 😌
He says in the very beginning that Moog sent him the keyboard from review.
@@aoterou The op said it, just enjoy the video and maybe have some inspiration
probably the first moog i’ve ever wanted in a decade
For me it's the first moog I ever wanted in 5 decades.
Matriarch was a banger and a half but i know what you mean.. before that i also was meh.
Same. Im about to pull the trigger .. im feeling gassy.. lol
@@DennisNy75💨💨💨
One is fantastic. Matriarch also seems great.
The synth world is lucky to have you.
Love the buttons so much. Modern and vintage at the same time. They seem really satisfying.
Design is more roland than moog almost, nice❤
Im happy Moog is alive and kicking. It seems new owner is investing.
I understand this was already in the pipeline.
Part if the heritage, slim down moog one
@@sunnypedaalI wonder if Moog realized that they priced their only poly outside the reach of too many potential buying audience. This is certainly a very good apology.
The designers absolutely used the Cs80 interface and positioning. Love it
I keep coming back to this video… there is so much in it… and the Muse so well thought out! Amazing
This synth looks and sounds AMAZING!!!!
Thanks for this wonderful and comprehensive demonstration. Well done!!!
I LOVE that the detune knob also works on a single voice, such as nice touch Moog!!!
Loopop is the OG of New Synth Demos & Explanations. The only thing he doesn’t do is open the thing up, take it apart, and re assemble it.
Another awesome video bro. ✌️🙂
Thanks! Noted for future videos...
@@loopop 😅🙏
@@loopop I’d love to see somebody (a qualified Moog technician?;) open the hood on this beast. Probably very pretty with the 8 voices. .. Off-topic question but… given the Modulation Oscillator that can do audio rates and track keyboard… wonder if they could add linear FM as a mod matrix possibility? That would open up a whole world of different timbres for the main osc and somewhat mitigate the ‘it’s just regular VCO shapes’ con. Just a thought.
@@sub-jec-tiv Moogs are pretty cheaply made nowadays, you'd be disappointed for sure.
Sounds like what Markus Fuller’s channel was like a while back. He had all vintage and found stuff to restore, but it was interesting seeing the build quality and philosophy of the different synths and manufacturers.
Nice job Moog! I even love the delay and the arp. Nice feature set. Great review Ziv.
Sold my prophet 6 and moog muse is arriving in a week. I’ve watched this video about 10 times all the way through. haha such a good overview. Thanks!
A few years back I sold my Prophet 6 and bought a Prophet 10 since I preferred the sound of the 10 way more. The Moog Muse was not out at the time, but it definitely would have been a contender.
I have to know what you think of the Muse
@@Jikodisit’s definitely a different sound to the p10, sonically different
Thanks Loopop for the video! ❤ Anyone who is interested, let me quickly highlight how this synth is unique or interesting IMO:
- the LFOs, apart from the usual shapes, come with complex custom shapes (the "+" symbol above the waveform button)
- in the dual VCOs there is a wavemix feature where you can set the balance of levels between pulse and triangle / saw (/which you can also mix freely!)
- you can program a lot of generative behavior into the sequencer with gate, velocity and note chance / probability for more unpredictability
- there's dual timbre addressing in the sequencer so it can play both timbres at once or only chosen notes for timbre A and B (which makes it more fun!)
- in the mod matrix you can use functions to change the well-known shapes of sine, square LFOs into uniquely new ones, or create custom curves for envelopes / aftertouch response, etc.
- the mixer allows for a clean mix of all analog sources but you can also use the overload slider to overdrive the signal like the classic Moog CP-3 mixer does
- the delay works like vintage digital rack units in that it's highly configurable and can provide stereo delays with ping pong behavior, filtered multi-tap tape echo-style delays, or reverb + dreamy chorused-diffusion trails. Generally it's a sonic playground for time-based effects.
Thank you Moog!!!
@DjembeDoug Thanks, I have one!:) A while back Moog contacted me and said they liked my work. They asked if I’d like to take part in the development of a new analog poly-synth (the Muse). Of course I agreed! I've also made some factory presets for it together with Kevin Carballo, Cloudface, Lisa Bella Donna, Steve Dunnington, Manny Fernandez, Eric Frampton, Chris Miller, Erik Norlander, Stephen Petoniak, Max Ravitz, Drew Schlesinger and Danny Wolfers.
Insightful points. Lots of exciting options for sure!
Is the MUSE a watered-down version of the ONE?
@@JexusI'd be interested at a look under the hood. With an all analog path there are usually a couple of tweaks to knock noise floor down.
@@majwilsonlion The whole voice is actually based on Matriarch.
Thanks so much for the review! Excellent content, exciting new synth!
demos at the end are amazing. thanks for the great video
It sounds like a heaven. Dream synth. Bravo Moog
I love the sequencer, and the sound of the filters. But it also just looks gorgeous. I love the cylindrical slider caps like on the MG-1 or the Polymoog. And it has a whisper of the Jupiter 8, with the colorful buttons. I like!
Had an mg1 sooo many years ago. Didnt pick the slider knobs until you said. Good spot. 👍👍🎚
Didn't finished the video yet , but one thing jumped on me , yep Loopop has skills to make synths sing, but even , i didn't find one weak spot on all settings he tried from OSC morphing to interaction bewteen them (usually synths get FM or even sync kinda funny in ranges ect ...) , nothing bad , a simply BIG sweet spot in all areas !!!
Def a sign of a solid release imho ...
Thks Loopop as usual for the superb review , chill and calm presentation ....
Thanks! Well to be honest I cut out some FM experiments that sounded bad, but I have to agree, that there's something finely tuned about this synth.
@@loopop Thks for confirming and thks for keeping the good work Loopop !!
Thank you for the awesome overview. I love how soft and warm this synth can sound. On the other side it can be lovely nasty.
Mine is coming in 8-10 weeks. ❤
Looks like Moog basically made a modern Jupiter 8. Even looks like one, has the same “Side panel” shape. Just wood instead of metal. Cool synth
For years I wanted a good compromise of an Analog synth with creamy Moog-like leads and useful pads and ambient, crazy sounds. I think the day has come. Brilliant demo, Ziv
Sachtein.
Looks gorgeous, a nice clean UI. Will need to hear it person to find out how good it really sounds.
Been waiting for your review on this! Can’t wait to use it for my dark synth stuff 😍
Love ya Loop’
You never disappoint! 💜🙏🏼
Great video! the Muse definitely looks interesting, but... I already have a Matriarch/Subsequent 37/Grandmother, and this device is post-acquisition by InMusic. (That said, I did get the Spectravox and Labyrinth, both are post-acquisition by InMusic and are great!)
I think if I was going to drop that much cash, then I might get the Arturia PolyBrute 12 Polyphonic 12-voice Morphing Analog Synthesizer (12 voices).
I did purchase the much cheaper AstroLab and have really enjoyed it so far (it kind of got me into Arturia Analog Lab 5, Pigments, Augmented, and more).
Great video, as always, Loopop! Your influence has inspired me to buy some 🤑and to avoid others like the plague🥶.
But none of those are moog polys 😆😆
Well, I think it sounds fantastic!
Thanks again, Loop!
Lovely! A Desktop version, please!!!!
I've had one for a couple of weeks now... It's an amazing synth and I'm really enjoying making patches, especially with these filters making that creamy, dreamy Moog tone. It's my 7th Moog, but the first polyphonic one. Sleep is now a waste of time.. Excellent tute once again Mr. Loopop! 👊🏼😎🎹
Great to hear!
Not sure how I feel about the Rogue-era sliders, BUT this seems to be a great balance between the One and the Grandmother but with an expanded feature set. Really exciting development here.
Those sliders are my favorite aesthetic touch here
I think they made good choices in the combination of knobs and sliders here. Personally I've never liked to set envelopes with knobs all that much, which is the more common way on most Moog synths. I always liked the sliders on my Roland synths much more for this. With sliders you can immediately see the envelope shape and quickly adjust envelopes live even with just one hand. So I'm happy to see Moog decided to put sliders on this synth for that.
Rogue!!!
Heard that @Jexus made presets for the Muse. Not fair, that guy can make any synthesizer sound awesome 🙂
Amazing synthesizer from Moog. Thanks for the video 👍
Not a huge moog fan, but boy this is the best moog I've seen yet.
This is the last Moog to be released that was being worked on before the takeover...so really the last "real" Moog to come out....but feel free to disagree.
@@fortheloveofnoise maybe the takeover will do good
@@fortheloveofnoise I feel free to disagree with any assumption based on nothing factual :)
Thank you for a great video, as always.
What a time to be alive. This will take a fair chunk out of my economy as well as my living space.
With the LFOs, fm, sync, dual filters and mod matrix combined this is really capable of making creative sounds in a novel way. Good on Moog for continuing to innovate.
The sequencer really pushes it over the top, for me… 🎉
The demos so far have only scratched the surface of its abilities.
What a beast!
Getting a Yamaha CS80 look style to this one!
“The synth isn’t overall too shifty”.
Sounds really great ! First Moog to tease my ears in a long time....
Not surprisingly, the Muse seems to really excel at gritty bass sounds and bell sounds.
Very cool. Won’t fit in my studio right now though but I enjoyed the in-depth overview of what is definitely an impressive synth.
Moog have made a great synth and competitive pricing too 🙌🏼
best video so far to breakdown architecture. thanks
Looks like a cross between a CS80 and Deepmind 12 in its design
Which is good.
I thought that when I first saw an overhead pic, too. I also kinda wonder if they designed the aesthetics to look "right", when sitting above a Yamaha YC73/88? Because, I think it really would look like they belong together. I don't have a YC, but I tried a couple out when I was looking for a lightweight stage piano. It looked good.
Actually the mod stuff and all the stepper assignments feels like they were inspired by the Sequential Pro 3.
I absolutely love mine, can’t wait to hear the presets on this beast.
with Polybrute and Hydrasynth
Great Review again Z!!!! This one just went to the top of the hit list..
Great demo...if I’d not played an UDO Super Gemini I’d be more interested in this lovely big beast!
Same thing for me. I’m in LOVE with my Gemini. But this one look pretty nice
Love my Super Gemini as well. It fits in well with my JP-8, 3rd Wave and Melbourne Nina polysynth setup. This Muse though may be a contender in the future as it seems to have a little more of a raw tone to it than the Super Gemini. Then again the more I play and twiddle my SG the more I find that it does things I thought it could not. Something really special about those low-mid frequencies with the SG. Only my old JP-8 has that presence !
@@antoniorusso5149 keep digging...it gets NASTY. And that’s kinda what I’m not hearing here, the Muse is incredibly polite sounding, a tad too polished for my end of the gnarl spectrum. Hoping we see some of its wilder side
@@Farold_Haltermeyer I will definitely take your advice on the SG. I agree to the Muse so far. It just lacks that "bite".
LOVE the envelope sliders - a nod to the Moog Rogue! Had one, looks very similar. DROOL.
Head to head with OB6
Impressive synth, great demo as always.
InMusic been busy this week hehe
I love inMusic, such a rich tradition and heritage, the true innovators of the space
Yep ! (busy for a while actually... 😁)
InMusic did not make this synth. Moog did.
@@kgbinfo well the comment above you hasn't said differently.....and since he helped design and do the patches on it🤷
@@Patriotic_Eagle1995 yeah a parent company that actually makes struggling companys grow!
Excellent review! And the synth is outstanding
For some reason I thought we wouldn't hear from Moog in a while after being sold. Glad they never stopped.
@@edbifner6370I got the Behringer vibe, as well. Until it hits retail stores, the quality, will be suspect. I remember thinking Elektron were cheap looking. I have 4 Elektron units and their quality is impeccable.
This synth has been teased by "synthfluencers" all over the internet for months now. Even prior to the big inMusic announcement we had seen glimpses of it in Andrew Huang's studio. Honestly 6 to 8 months later and it just isn't exciting at all
Yep. Muse has been in the pipeline for a while now. Looks to me like a new classic. It’s what i was hoping they’d make.. i love my Matriarch but was really wanting a Moog poly with stereo filtering. Time to sell some kit!
InMusic is also a company whose shareholders require them to come out with new products CONSTANTLY even if the market isn’t really asking for it. Innovation is key in their company for better or worse. Source: I live near their headquarters in New England and many friends have worked for them in the past
Moog is not Moog anymore. Zombie Brand.
The outer shell is made from the finest unobtainium in the world!
That sequencer is really cool.
The randomize with pitch quantize is a game changer. I do that in both eurorack and ableton. Amazing they’ve included it on a quick onboard sequencer. Love it.
@@sub-jec-tiv I know that's absolutely wild. It's a fair price for all it's got. Plus super easy to understand by just looking at it. I'll never buy it because my Take 5 is plenty for me but it's really filling a lot of gaps out there not just the sequencer. That delay unit is crazy,, I guess it's similar to what there is on the Matriarch. Do you happen to know if you can you live record into the microsteps of the sequencer? How many microsteps per step?
@@electrosonicnebula I’d guess if the manual isn’t up now, it will be soon. I kind of enjoy looking at owners manuals in my spare time, i’m a weirdo. But you can learn a lot 🤓
@@sub-jec-tiv ooookay then I'll rtfm lol. For all I know Loopop mentions it but of course skipped through the video haha. Wish the COVID vaccine had also been an implant of all the synth manuals I'm interested in. I hated reading manuals when they came on paper... Could it be because my job is to write them and has been for the better part of 20 years? Edit: not synth manuals unfortunately, that would be sweet
Something about that MOOG SOUND, and this beast sounds so beautiful. If Beauty and the Beast had an instrument ^.
Well looks like moog is back InTheMusic
clever joke, but this is the last synth they developed before the takeover
@@fortheloveofnoise how do you know?
@@xfghffhfgthey said it has been in development for 5 years.
@@BullyMaguire4ever But you don't know if there are more
This sounds gorgeous indeed.
Not to be that guy, but would loved to have seen the Matriarch's killer delay or comparable incorporated.
I like the filter section. Very cool.
Premium and good quality. *Knob almost falls off turning it.*
What! Where? What timestamp?
If you mean the Select knob (which does wobble a bit) it got a lot of used in the making of this video and has not fallen off
I like the CAT-style fader caps and the good old fashioned moog-style knobs and wheels. :)
my god this sounds amazing.
LOve the way the mixer looks like the Taurus 1 mixer 👌
Almost sounds as good as a Prophet.😂
Different vibe.
got muse in box and boxing up my P-10 sounds great but its very limited!! Muse can sound like a p10 and more but not vice versa :)
The sound of the Prophet 10 reissue makes up for its limitations. I had the Prophet 6 which had tons of sound capabilities, but I wanted a rawer warm sound. The 10 fit the bill. The Muse sounds nice and has tons of sound sculpting capabilities, but I am not hearing that magic Moog sound. The Moog Grandmother had that magic sound and was based on some of the modular oscillators and filters if I am not mistaken. The Muse is based on the Voyager oscillators which I did not care for.
Prophet VS? 12?
Price competitive is a good way to put it. It is not cheap by any measure but for the quality of what you are getting, this is real value
Whatta statement this Moog is ! - this is a dreamsynth - but i dont see how i can get hands on that kind of cash , at the moment !
Same. I’m dreaming of it every day for the last month though.
It sounds very tasty! And the price is right too. Great review and awesome synth!
Next Up: Moog Muse Rack
ohh yeah
I've watched this review and the polybrute/pb12 reviews way too many times, but I finally pulled the trigger today. Muse it is, based on pure character. That Pb12 is a monster and I'd really like to have a lot of its features. But I'd just hate to not own the Muse.
4:22 The wobble on that knob 😬 AFAIK, Moog has always had the most solid, stable, and tactilely pleasant knobs in the industry, but that wobble worries me. Nowadays it seems almost accepted that modern synth knobs are "supposed" to have some "play" in them, but I think it's lame. Still…I like the look and sound of this.
Yeah I thought that looked a bit wobbly. That said, the knobs on my little phatty 2 are a bit wobbly. Best knobs are sequential imo, with TE taking top place for the rotary encoders on the op1
Was it wobble or moire effect on the chrome engraved knob-top?
It doesn't mean much about quality unless you are a guitar player :) and btw, knobs don't wobble.
@@entropybentwhistle I know exactly what you mean, but no, it was wobble. At that price point, nothing should be wobbling. The knobs on older Moog synths I've played are rock solid. Even the brand new Martriarch has very solid knobs.
@@dcpayne5264 That's sad (about your Little Phatty 2). Like I said, it seems like it's just accepted/acceptable for synths to have loose and wobbly knobs now - and it's not like it's an expensive thing to get right. I'd say just replace 'em but they're all soldered to PCBs.
Unreal 😍 certainly a fine comeback unit
Would pretty hard to make this a desktop module I bet
I hope!
I sure don't mind the use of more linear pots in synth builds! 😃Sometimes it just feels right, especially with ADSR and crossfaders
Damn! In my little world, I’m saving for a Prophet 5 desktop, but this is a compelling option. ❤❤ Danks Loopop.
Go for this! P5 is incredible sounding but not nearly as versatile as even the P6. I just rebought the obx8, but I may have went with the Muse instead if the timing had fit. This thing has features no other analog poly has…special instrument here!
@@neonether at the end i got an mc303 and a water bottle.
I sold my Prophet 6 to buy the Prophet 10 due to preferring the sound of the 10 better. The 6 had a lot of sound sculpting abilities, but the sound was just not what I wanted. Definitely play these in person before you buy, and you will know what jives for you best. The oscillators in the Muse are based on the Voyager which I don't quite like the sound of. I would love if they could get the sound of the Moog Grandmother or Minimoog Model D in a polyphonic synth. I like that warmer and fatter Moog imperfect sound.
@@Jikodis I am with you, I had a prophet 6, a lovely synth but coming from Roland analogues, the wave shapes lacked any real definition. The 5/10 oscillators are definitely better. And that’s why I choose the P10 desktop over even the gorgeous Muse. But I do have a Matriarch for my Moogness..❤️
@@AndrewJohnClive Glad you were able to get the P10! I have always loved the sound of some of the old green Roland modulars. Also the Jupiter 4. Glad you have some Moog Sound. My first synth was the Moog Little Phatty, but I never loved the sound of it either. I eventually bought a Mos-Lab Moog modular clone and am quite happy with it. Got it with the 901 oscillators.
Really bummed to see they carried over the filter passband issue from the Grandmother/Matriarch where opening up the filter fully with no resonance causes a drop in volume (you can hear/see in the spectrograph around 12:18). Can't believe Moog didn't rectify this for such a big release :(
Bass compensation is a nice feature but I will not consider the lack of it an issue, most synths in existence do that, also, it doesn't loos that much, you can post compensate it if need to.
I think I read somewhere about a mod where you can remove a capacitor or resistor somewhere in order to fix this. Have you heard of such a thing? I think it was a forum post on gearspace or something but I can’t seem to find it now.
@@xfghffhfg This doesn't have anything to do with bass compensation. This is the behavior of the filter with no resonance--the volume literally drops when he opens up the filter fully. This was a problem on the grandmother/matriarch and it's NOT something I want on a $3500 synth.
you mean this few dbs in the low end? its not an issue, this happens with most analog filters, bearly noticible.
@@xfghffhfg No, it actually doesn't. The whole signal level drops slightly with filter fully open on the Muse. The Moog Matriarch/GM and now Muse are the only synths I have ever seen do this.
At first glance, the design is interesting, reminiscent of old Yamaha or Roland products. Around the programmer display is like a car stereo, which I think will help me concentrate better.
Good start Akai...good start
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That looks like an interesting synth. It's about time.
please do not take offence of this, because it's a marvellous musical instrument but this design almost reminds of a Behringer design ripping of a vintage synth! 🤣. It's clear a new phase of Moog instruments has begun, both aesthetically as soundwise. I'm not a purist myself but I can imagine some old Moog freak raising an eyebrow on this development. I hope to see more interesting stuff.
This Moog is heavy inspired by vintage moog, as far as the analog circuits so I’m not sure what you are saying.
Excellent sound quality
Negatives for me: No poly aftertouch, screen looks a little small, digital delay. Positives: user LFOs, bi-timbral, proper stereo, balanced outputs, dual Moog filters. Would really have loved to see some analogue delay, analogue chorus and analogue drive built in to make it compelling and characterful. Bucket brigade, modulated delay. Basically built-in moogerfoogers. Personally I don't have an interest in buying this right now but I wish Moog all the best with it!
Yeah, built in analog Moog effects woulda been the icing on top.
poly aftertouch is one of those things that people love to tick a box in their head over but doesnt actually get used in music making
@@a-nus its a selling point and that's all!!! really use after touch!!!!
Thanks for the review.
A fine review, I think I'd be interested if it had poly AT
50:12 I’m sold.
Its beauty but Its just a touch too menu divey for me. I will still always prefer a giant bloated interface with full control instead of menu diving. Especially the LFO + waveshapes, some basic control on panel for that would have been so much nicer, also the arpeggiator. Having said that though, this thing looks great. And props to moog for making it a 5 octave keybed. I detest 4 octave keybeds.
I would actually consider purchasing this
Awesome video!!!
Thank you for not only doing a fantastic review, but for capturing a high fidelity recording of the Muse…its sounds incredible. Do you mind sharing what interface you’re recording into?
Thanks! audiofuse studio
@@loopop Would have never expected an Arturia interface sounding that detailed and balanced! It sounds great! Thanks for the info 👍
An wavetable osc was God sent for this synth, pitty they missed it
great review the seq/arp/chord is awesome... wish the sounds it could make were better
Pretty weird legato glide is absent. I use that all the time. I think the Novation Summit, with 16 voices, analog filters and premium varied effects is a better value at $2,200.
Or just buy behringer. Yeah, with some cons, but for the half.
@@astrarivm I really think as RUclips and other outlets for information are exposing the fact that clones and VST's sound between 95-99% as good as premium priced synths, buyers are rethinking what they buy going forward and that's a good thing. I cannot tell you how many people I know that buy these $3-$6 synths and can barely play a chord. They are like car collectors that have trouble finding where the engine is.
@astrarivm Behringer is good as long as you are fine with it not sounding identical...close is good enough usually though.....but I do worry about build quality (only takes 1 bad part to disable the synth). That being said, I love my Mono/Poly clone.
Super explained! 🙂
I think it is missing effects of the Moogerfooger like chorus and phaser. But if going digital, why not have tons of effects like many keyboards do and they could be saved into the patch making life easier.
It's not clear in the review, but as you can assign targets via knob wiggle in the mod matrix, it seems possible to target the parameters of delay that way.
Being able to modulate effect parameters is pretty much THE reason to have onboard effects apart from saving with patch.
Having more effects would then mean more knobs and a bigger more expensive synth.
(Except of course - as everything is digitally controlled anyway - they could use encoders with LED rings so we could easily switch between multiple effects and could have additional things like infinite ADSRs, LFO's etc. and make the panel reflect the actual patch)
As a positive you can likely control a few parameters of your favourite Moogerfooger via the CV outs.
Very clever sequencers ❤❤❤
I really love the UI, however, in terms of sound...especially as a Prophet Rev 2 owner...I don't feel like I am missing out on much. Then again I have not played the synth in person yet, so we shall see.
Nothing to do with this video, but thanks on not participating of the massive Teenage Engeneering gadget propaganda.
Their medieval BS was a very good way to define who’s serious and who’s their only for the clout.
Thanks for that!
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Not sure why it was giving me some strong Andromeda A6 vibes (not a bad thing at all) and then I realised moog, as alesis went to become, is also an inline music brand now.
I thought of the A6 as well.
It really doesn't sound like the A6.The A6 has 16 note poly and is eight part multi timbral, also much deeper for sound design. I couldn't really say which one sounds 'better' it would be interesting to put them side by side. In some ways the A6 is closer to the Moog One but it sounds quite a bit thinner than that.
InMusic should release an Andromeda A6 MKII
@@BullyMaguire4everAndromeda A12
@@BullyMaguire4ever the original A6 is flawed in some ways, if someone could iron out those issues and add poly aftertouch it would be a killer synth (its still pretty good as it is). I wonder if Moog were trying to do something similar with the Moog One? It has some design features in common with the A6. For reference this is what the A6 sounds like without FX ruclips.net/video/PQP0nJR47e0/видео.html
I want one of these soooo bad!
Matriarch’s are selling for a fair discount on Reverb now, and that is a helluva good synth too.
They should have offered this 5 or 10 years ago. Would have saved them from being sold..
In any case, sounds nice, covers the basics, but it's not groundbreaking. Which is fine, because a bread and butter poly synth is what moog needs. Too bad it arrives too late.
Had this dropped before the InMusic buyout, it would have been $5k.
They have sold millions of dollars worth of Ones. Being sold doesn't mean your business doesn't have income. Actually it usually means the opposite.
Tengo un Sequential Prophet rev2 16 voice. En los papeles parecen ser muy parecidos, pero cada vez que escucho el Muse, me quedo fascinado con la calidez y expresividad de su sonido.
The Moog MUSE is $3495 (MSRP).
Thanks Loopop for your detailed explanation … what a beautiful sounding synth. I like the raw sound of it … this one brings me back to the 80s 😊. One thing to mention … there’s something wrong about the quality, some hardware issues, about printed labels and also about missing a blower for cooling the system … now, I get this from another review and I must say … I was a little surprised about that because I don’t expect issues especially from this brand Moog. Would like to know what you think about that … Grtz
Thanks! I didn't notice any of those issues. Could you point me to that review?
I never got the Moog thing. I've always wanted to get it but the sounds are just too bare and take too much layering to work in anything I write. Hammonds I get, Oberheims I get, a few Rolands I get, Arturia's Polybrute I get, not one single Moog do I get. They are instruments and if synths were wind instruments I like saxophones, I don't care for trumpet, Moogs are, to me, a trumpet. I just don't hear things from them that inspire me to match them up with acoustic instruments, how I was born, nothing made me this way and I really don't think it's just me. Great video, regardless.
mostly feel similar, although mono leads and bases can sound quite right in club music
Wait for Jexus' videos. 😊
god... i am looking for a poly.... and nowvthis Moog!... the One is way out of my league, but the Muse??? pure temptation
looks really '70s, which is good.
Yummy. Design language from the Polymoog… plus some new luscious light up buttons a la Matriarch/Grandmo.