Last week I got to view a F-117 up close at the Museum of Aviation next to Robins AFB in Georgia. The leading and trailing edges of the wings were removed as well as various other parts including one of the bomb bay doors. It was also silver in bare metal skin. It was displayed outside for 3 weeks prior to being moved inside for a 1 year restoration. I asked a docent about the missing parts and he said they were removed along with the black paint because they are still have top secret classification. I asked why one bomb bay door was removed while the other remained and he didn't have an answer. Also since the shoot down over Serbia paint and other parts were readily available for analysis. It was smaller than I expected.
Actually find that kind of funny, back in 1992 I got to view an F-117 up and very close down at Alamogordo, the Air Force Base. My best friend from high school was stationed down there and literally was in charge the life-support systems on that aircraft. I was able to go on base and visit with him and he gave me kind of a tour. His Co of the Squadron he was in, took us both under his wing and took cash out on the flight line to one of the hangers where I got to go up and see the F-117 in person. In all honesty I didn't think it was that small, at least from my perspective which was no closer than 5 feet. But the one thing I really did think was cool being in a aircraft Hangar that was dimly lit it literally felt like it was sucking all the light into it almost like a black hole. And that was always my one big takeaway from that aircraft
There is an F-117 getting restored to be a museum piece for the SAC museum here in Nebraska (halfway between Omaha and Lincoln). The restoration hangar has a viewing window, and you can see that they're replacing half of the plane with wood bits, then painting it black with paint you get at Home Depot. I do know from some books I own that the paint is classified, and that the leading and trailing edges of the wings are made of dielectric plastic. Radar hits the wing leading edges, and absorbs into the plastic, turning the radio energy into heat. That means no radar ping echo will ever return back to the radar dish that made it. They also had to cover the gaps in the panels and plane with some kind of putty, making that the single most labor intensive part of the plane flight, which later got made better using some sort of speed-tape. It turns out the panel edges are where most of your reflected energy comes from, so you need to have a plane with no gaps.
The F-117 is still being flown, at least around my town. It was recently coated with a mirror paint similar to the new F-22 paint. It's mostly used in counter stealth exercises (think chinese stealth planes, and stealth missiles). JDAMS are being tested.
@@Daneoid81 It would probably look a lot more like an F-35. The Nighthawk was an incredible piece of technology that revolutionised air warfare, but it was also very compromised to enable it to work as a stealth aircraft.
Warm recollections of Microprose f-19/f-117 sims, which were kind of advanced for their time... And the manual was a fun book to read, detailing everything including different kinds of radars and techniques for notching
they had great ideas implemented back then... e.g. the radar emitters on the MFD map along with the detection level indicator (maybe not realistic, but great for gameplay). Different ground radars required different flight path to delay detection (beaming for PD, but flying straight towards non-PD radars IIRC). Somehow the maps felt more crowded then some scenarios in DCS... you had radar stations, boats, aircraft on patrol. flying very slow and low (autopilot off since it's minimum height was relative high) could help a lot to sneak past enemy units. It was one of the sims that gave the impression there is a complete scneario. DCS missions feel like scripted missions: huge map, but to keep the FPS up most of the map is empty (in terms of units). Though this will maybe going to change now that we have MT.
@@slowhornet4802 precisely. Only problem I see was that while low and slow approach worked great, it did not result in a higher risk of engagement by an accidental nearby manpads/AA/optically guided SAMs as these were absent. In contrast, in LHX flying low was great for a stealthy run, but you could be also surprised by a Shilka, or just a dude with an AK/Igla as you got within their reach suddenly.
Cap, gotta hand it to you…. I don’t know how you come up with all these different scenarios, but I love that you do! Every day I look forward to your video dropping.
Hey Cap and the Reapers. Idea for a competition video - now that you've got all these great mods and toys. (Just finished watching your S350 video with CH) : Create an Air defence system for a certain budget (open source the system costs) and test its effectiveness against AI / Humans. Who in GR can come up with the best AD on a budget. (My money's on Cortana!) All the entrants would need to do is send you a list of what they want, where they want it and how much they spent. Winner would be most effective AD for cheapest price.
Dear Cap, some advice regarding the feline foibles: Some cats don't respond to catnip (lack the heritable olfactory receptors for it) but do respond to valerian. A longer term solution could instead be to set up one or more Feliway diffusers (needs an available power socket) in your home. Feliway emulates the natural pheromones released by a mother cat to calm her kittens, reducing stress and comforting cats. It takes about a day to kick in but should calm down poor Pickles. Best of luck and see a vet if the stressed behaviour continues; it could also be health-related.
Heh, I flew with the 416th Squadron of the 37th TFW on opening night of Desert Storm. 1) It was NOT 'fun' and 2) The Nighthawk is a hard damned aircraft to fly. She earned the name of 'Wobblin Goblin' for good reason. The b*tch was as slow as molasses, running uphill, in winter (I only ever got her past 600 mph, (540 knots) in a dive)! Unstable and hard to keep in the air. Her rate of ascent was horrible, but her operational ceiling was decent. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, her stealth was amazing.......until you opened the bomb bay doors. After that, your radar cross section goes from 0.001 m2 to HEY! LOOK AT ME! SHOOT. RIGHT. HERE!! We also missed targets....a lot....like 40%. On the plus side we also flew right over downtown Baghdad on a regular basis without getting shot down, so there's that. I was never happier to leave an aircraft behind! Flew the Mudhen (F-15E) for many years after that. Anyway, carry on! Have a pleasant weekend, gentlemen and ladies.
This was a fun one!! Hats of to Brandon the Buk Slayer!!! You guys called it, and the last dodge footage before they finally got him illustrated it the best, it's all in the wiggle!!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
Those missile chases were more like a Birds and Bees session. Bravo to the near survivors... eventually/sadly, and in the words of Dawson : "You died young".
GR pilots are all getting so good at dodging missiles! It is interesting how detectability and maneuverability both play a significant role in penetrating airspace.
Real stealth operations, F-117 and B-2 infamously relied heavily on mission planning to maximize their advantage from stealth. Mostly because RCS is highly dependent on what direction the radar is looking from, which I don't think DCS handles at all. With the F-35, it has all the hardware to gather all the information itself and let the pilot do re-planning on the fly. This is fully eradicated when you put them in a tight course like this, not that a dcs mod will deal with that in the first place.
All this radar cross section stuff would work so much better if you could set different magnitudes along different vectors and then interpolate between them. So that you could have a different RCS from the rear and from the front. While the F-35 is stealthy, it's rear RCS (with the open engine) is going to be huge compared to the front.
@@grimreapersit’s huge by any means. The tail plane and tail booms plus the serrated exhaust nozzle and the engine is mounted forward and thus is shielded from most directions. About the same as f-22. Plus the 35 sensors will let it know where radar/heat seeker is coming from and intimate a direction change to hide as as possible something non of the other stealth can do
I would really like to see the Grim Reapers attempt some "Proper missions". This channel does a HUGE amount of testing, and I'm greatly appreciative of all that type of content, always entertaining. BUT - I would still like to see the GR crew flex their skills and really take on some difficult missions. Examples? - "We've discovered an enemy ICBM site, its heavily defended and we need to destroy it." "An enemy CSG has snuck into friendly waters - Friendly forces have only 3-4 planes available to scramble for intercept - intercept the CSG and cause significant damage to the deck of the carrier!" "Enemy has declared their territory as a "NO FLY ZONE" and is using SAM site's to shoot down civilian aircraft. GR must locate and destroy hidden SAM sites to protect civilian aircraft." ""Air Force One is attempting to exfil the President from an area which has suddenly become hostile. GR must scramble and secure airspace, allow AF1 to take off, and escort AF1 out of the area." Sorry for the long comment, I do hope my suggestions spark some ideas for future videos!
24:34 Note: There actually is a holiday (German Unity Day) overlapping with Oktoberfest (this year spanning from September 16th to October 3rd), on Tuesday, October 3rd. I’m a neighbor so I know ;)
Coolest thing I saw as a kid was a 4man of F117s taking off from Alamagordo. Banked back and flew back over to head out for bombing practice. The cockpit had only been declassified for a week. Such a cool plane.
I would like to see how low observable but not fully stealthy aircraft fare against a SAM gauntlet. Rafale F4, Super Hornet block 3, Boramae, Su-57, J-20
I love those F-117's and thankful for who took the mod this far, but man I wish someone would really give it some attention like one of the other 20 big lovely well done mods.
Oh, come now, Cap, you can plan a mission to deal with the Grim Baby if you can plan all these other missions. I know, lack of sleep is debilitating when it comes to the ol' cranial approach, but think, man, think!
I find it interesting that the F117 is more stealthy than the F35. I thought tech regarding coating etc advanced faster than "just" make it less suseptible to weather and stuff
It's not more stealthy than the F-35, it's just no one cares to use the correct figure or research further. Two United States Air Force Generals have already stated the F-35 is much more stealthy than the F-22, but here is the full story. - - - - - - - - The 0.005 figure was given as a 2005 estimate. [QUOTE] November 25, 2005: The U.S. Air Force, in it's effort to get money to build more F-22s, has revealed just how "stealthy" the F-22 is. It's RCS (Radar Cross Section) is the equivalent, for a radar, to a metal marble. The less stealthy (and much cheaper) F-35, is equal to a metal golf ball. The F-35 stealthiness is a bit better than the B-2 bomber, which, in turn, was twice as good as that on the even older F-117. Much older aircraft, like the B-52, have a huge RCS, which makes them very easy to spot on radar. But with a smaller RCS, it's more likely that the aircraft won't be detected at all. [END QUOTE] - - - - - - - - However, once the F-35 was built, the advancements in stealth technology indicated it exceeded this value. [QUOTE] As of May 31 [2011], Griffiths said, the Edwards F-35s had flown a total of 2,513 test points against a plan of 1,995. As of that date, the F-35A was hitting all of its key performance parameters, and radar cross-section testing is exceeding specifications. [END QUOTE] - - - - - - - - As more data came in, it turns out the F-35 is stealthier than the F-22. This is from two United States Air Force Generals [QUOTE] The F-35’s cross section is much smaller than the F-22’s, but that does not mean, Hostage concedes, that the F-35 is necessarily superior to the F-22 when we go to war. [END QUOTE] [QUOTE] "I would say that General Hostage … is accurate in his statement about the simple stealthiness of the F-35 [with regard] to other airplanes," Bogdan said in the interview. The statement was accurate for radar cross section, as measured in decibels, and range of detectability, he said, and he scoffed at the notion that anyone can tell how stealthy an aircraft is just by looking at it. [END QUOTE] - - - - - - - - Later, the Chief of Low Observability for the B-2 bomber notes the F-35 borrows a lot of techniques from the bomber. In this interview they also noted the advancement that makes the F-35 so stealthy. The airframe itself is made of a stealth material, it's not just a coating. [QUOTE] On a radar map, a 747 would appear the size of a hot air balloon and an F-16 would look like a beach ball. Drill down to legacy stealth aircraft and Lockheed’s F-117 Nighthawk would show up as a golf ball while an F-22 Raptor might appear as a pea. With the F-35, Lockheed is getting down to pebble size, according to Robert Wallace, senior manager for F-35 flight operations. Wallace, a former chief of low-observability for the US Air Force’s B-2 bomber, says the F-35 has leveraged LO qualities from the bomber - but he could not elaborate on specifics. Pilots will see a more advanced low-observable signature on the F-35 versus the F-22, but it’s the maintainers who see the greatest leap in durability. [END QUOTE] - - - - - - - - Even pilots who migrate from the F-22 to the F-35 corroborate this information [QUOTE] During a flight debriefing, Col. Chris Niemi and Maj. Nash Vickers both said a comparison of the radar-absorbing F-35 to its nimble but less stealthy twin-engine F-22 cousin might not reveal the whole story. Niemi has eight years in the cockpit of an F-22 and is one of the few Air Force pilots who is qualified in both the Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II. He said he wanted to set the record straight on the Lightning II, once and for all. “Many have compared the F-22 to the F-35 but that comparison is unfair. With the F-35 Lightning, this fighter sees better, has more range, and is stealthier than any of its predecessors. This airplane, with its fly by wire technology, is super easy to fly and it has a very linear response.” [END QUOTE] - - - - - - - - So the F-35 is stealthier than legacy stealth platforms and there's several interviews and congress testimonies that highlight this fact. It's just people don't read those things. It's so interesting to me that the 2005 figure is the one that sticks and no one has bothered to read or watch the recent documentaries on this. If you want to read these sources in complete, you can find them here: www.reddit.com/r/Dragon029/comments/30fa43/f35_vs_f22_b2_stealth_claims/
It's not supposed to be though. I do see some figures supporting an RCS of 0.003 for the F-117, however the military has factually stated the F-35 has a lower RCS than the nighthawk and some figures in papers put out by the Navy have stated 0.0015 for the F-35, which according to them, is comparable to the B-2, which is supposed to have half the RCS of the F-117. The F-22 is supposed to be the king of frontal RCS with 0.0001-0.0002.
I just recently found you so you may already have a video like this my suggestion would be do a Iowa versus a Yamato as the flagships for both sides have access to four Cruisers, six Destroyers, 10 frigates can be any combination of ships in their class no carriers and both sides can have access to three wildcard ships can be a ship commanded by iconic commanders or a specific ship that did something amazing just cannot be carriers
0:01 Pre-viewing prediction: Considering the F-117 was the cream of 80’s tech, has no gun, and can only carry 2 weapons for ground attack, I’m gonna say the win goes to the F-35. 13:16 “I don’t know what to do…” “Eject, eject, eject.”
I tried this just yesterday against CH's new S-350 SAM system and some Pantsir S2s. They couldn't see even F-117s as they were dropping GBUs from less than 10km
Cap, the SA- designations for Soviet/Russian missiles are NATO reporting names. The S designations are Soviet/Russian names. For instance, the SA-2 Guideline is what NATO calls the missile used in the Soviet/Russian S-75 system. The NATO reporting name SA-6 Gainful missile is actually the 2K12 system. The S-300, S-350, and S-400 systems use different, newer radars and missiles.
I understand that this is incredibly picky and trivial but I feel an urge to post it. The most common search result will be the mode not the median! The median of a set of data is the middle value. The mean is the avg of (sum of values / number of values). The mode is the most common value.
It’s weird - when my wife takes the kids to get shots they are really grumpy afterwards, when I go they just kinda walk it off and aren’t bothered. Our daughter (two at the time) standing outside the nurse’s station warning people coming in about “owie” was classic. Maybe she should at least keep out the 4th gens - lots of owie incoming.
I have one thing to say about your little experiment, you were wrong about the f--117, when on a mission it does not fly at 5000 feet or higher, they fly just above the trees, they use terrain following radar until they get to the area where the attack commences. The bottom of the F-117 is flat which is ideal to get a radar return from. In reality, they would fly low and would never clime to 5000 feet or higher with the exception of avoiding terrain or getting ready to drop their ordinance. That being said I thought this was an interesting experiment.
Giving F-35 undetectable external stores is a stealth advantage - the F-35 (like F-117A) gives up a lot of stealth when opening the weapons bay doors - even though the time is usually fairly brief.
Even before then there was Project Rainbow to reduce the RCS of the U2 (although that was a modification rather than incorporating stealth features in the design). The Lockheed A-12 was probably the first aircraft to incorporate radar stealth into its design through the use of shape, coatings, non-metallic materials and a special fuel blend to reduce reflectivity of the engine exhaust.
It’s possible that they would be detected at that range, but all I can say is if they’re in a big area, the likelihood of the missile itself being able to track is very small because it has a very small raider
Surprisingly a f117 was shot down by a s-125 in 1999, just shows that in real life a lot more circumstances plays into it. and that you can get a "lucky track"
Only half of cats like catnip. 50/50. That's science. 6:18 You're upset the baby is crying, so you tell us. Lt. J. Pickles is upset too, and is telling you. A Lt., they'll think up something wrong, but try their best. Also, cats sleep like 18hrs. a day. I'll bet the kitty isn't getting as much attention either. Cutting into that is worthy of an offensive strike to a top predator.
@@grimreapers Is her litter box always clean with lots of fresh litter? Maybe she has a UTI. That takes antibiotics from the Vet. I don't suppose there's a James Herriot nearby. I'm sure once everything becomes the new normal things will resolve.
Talking of SA-3 coming down with no warning - well if it's ahead of you (even at altitude) and you're in Typhoon - IRST will "see" it. So will the new spec F-35s when they're built!
5:00 Prediction: Both 4th gen jets will be shot down by thr first or second SAM sites, both stealth jets will make it to target. 7:49 "I'm so tired, I don't know which way to go from the runway." _"Left." "Right."_ "Welcome to Grim Reapers." 🙄🙄🙄 😄😆😅😂🤣 Conclusion: I'm surprised none of the stealth planes beat the system. (Except Simba's low-level dash.)
I went to Octoberfest in the state's when I worked at Lufthansa, I wasn't to impressed. It's like a college dorm party, but there's a lot of things to buy. Mostly it's stupid people getting drunk, acting stupid, and getting fired, because people don't know when to say enough is enough. One wife was caught being banged by a coworker. Like I said, kid's trying to act like adults with alcohol involved.
As for the 'Super Nighthawk' you were flying in this bit... It could be around in RL. The armed services always lowball the top speed of their kit. And, engines could be uprated or replaced.
@@trolleriffic There's also the differences in aerodynamic forces involved. The F-117 was notoriously a bit of a pain to handle even with its fly by wire setup. Going supersonic would really screw with its handling characteristics plus I'm not sure the airframe could handle those kinds of loads. Plus there's the issue of transonic drag which is why so many supersonic craft from the 1950s and 1960s have the "coke bottle" fuselage to assist in shedding said drag.
The story of the f-117 getting shot down is insane luck and determination. The story I heard was it was spotted taking off and the radar guy was on alert and knew where it would be coming from and sent to radar blast and picked up nothing and decided to go against protocol and did third blast and picked it up as it was opening its bomb bay. Talk about bad luck for the pilot 😂😂
More recent info from the radar operator suggests that the specific radar used made a difference and that luck played a large role as they happened to turn on at the right time. Sounded like the coordination of flight path info was not good enough to be much help and it was mostly dumb luck.
And the flight planning also fcked it up. The flight path was the same as before. So basically what led to this accident is: Serbs had spotters and human intelligence assets in Italy nearby the airport where the bombers took off. The aircrafts used the same flight path as before. The mission took place without electronic-warfare aircraft(Prowlers) because of bad weather. The SAM site crew already tried to lock and shot down these aircrafts hundreds of times before this accident and only managed to take down 2 aircrafts. The SAM site crew used ultra low frequency for the radars to pick up the F-117.
What really killed the F-117 was a two-man outfit from Cambridge with a three suitcase (four if you count the laptop) in-the-field passive aircraft detection system (looking for moving holes in background radio clutter) - the company (was) disappeared overnight and all online presence of them deleted after the F-177A was brought down - they had to go further afield for customers after the MoD rejected them - and the rest is (not!) history. I hope the team ended up working for BAe rather than pushing up daisies! The widely spread account of this operation is a false story - still, it made the commander famous and wealthy. And the Serbs in the field did an amazing job of translating the co-ordinates into something their systems understood.
I think electronic counter measures are probably under valued in DCS’s calculations (I won’t call them modelling!) The British were asked to (virtually) bomb the US to test their “impenetrable” coast to coast early warning RADAR system. The British managed to fly at least five Vulcans into US airspace straight to strategic military airports and land them - only notifying air traffic control at final approach! This happened twice in the 1960s several years apart - due to the humiliation, the Brits were never invited back for a third attempt! That said, real time DSP has totally revolutionised RADAR performance. Type 45 destroyer can track any stealth aircraft at the maximum range dictated by the curvature of the earth (about 350 miles if you can get an aircraft up to 60,000 ft) The cost to benefit ratio of "stealth" aircraft - particularly the cost to operate and upgrade them is off the chart. By all means reduce RCS but anything above that is just burning money - technology (in the west) has moved beyond small RCS being an issue to RADAR, the money should be spent on longer range better weapons delivered by cheap, replaceable pilotless aircraft. F-35 would have been a magnificent thing to have in 1980 or 1990 - it's now pointlessly expensive and sophisticated. We've got the same issues in air defence - firing one million dollar missiles that take up to a year to manufacture to knock down a three thousand dollar drone that can be churned out by the thousand. A pilot is just as likely to find himself in enemy territory from a F-35 breaking down mid-mission as being shot down in a 4th gen fighter - I'd rather be in something reliable like a Typhoon or F-16 fitted with a decent ECM system. The old fashioned VHF antenna’s on the Chinese destroyers for detection of long-range stealth aircraft show they are a generation or two behind the west - but I’m sure they’ll soon steal enough tech to catch up.
This simulation is unfair to the F-35 in terms of the advantages it has over the Nighthawk. It has a lot of features that makes it much better than the -117. Probably the biggest one is having a RWR unlike the -117 which didnt have one. Other stuff like actually having a radar, self defense capability, EOTS + DAS can also give it much better situational awareness to locate SAMs especially more mobile and dispersed systems. Theres a lot more but these are just some examples.
It's supposed to be, it's had several decades more to improve and it's a dedicated multirole fighter whereas the Nighthawk was strike only. Granted, most of the F-35's capabilities aren't modeled so in game it's much closer than it would be irl
I know that the real numbers are secret, but I have always thought that the B-2 had the second smallest RCS out of all US planes, right after the F-22. The B-21 has probably taken that second place now, but if you disregard the B-21. Does the F-117 really have a smaller RCS?
I am assuming the Russian sams use the flight characteristics of planes compared to birds to decide to shoot. It seems to me that equipping stealth planes with a way to generate instability into the radar profile would counterman this somewhat, like making the radar think it's flapping wings. Of course, the speed would be hard to mask. Maybe if the planes created multiple signatures that would also help.
Well done Brand0n for dodging all those missiles that was fun to watch!
That was awesome!
Let’s go, Brand0n! :P
Those missile chases were epic
I think it was because he is soooo Dutch!
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Last week I got to view a F-117 up close at the Museum of Aviation next to Robins AFB in Georgia. The leading and trailing edges of the wings were removed as well as various other parts including one of the bomb bay doors. It was also silver in bare metal skin. It was displayed outside for 3 weeks prior to being moved inside for a 1 year restoration. I asked a docent about the missing parts and he said they were removed along with the black paint because they are still have top secret classification. I asked why one bomb bay door was removed while the other remained and he didn't have an answer. Also since the shoot down over Serbia paint and other parts were readily available for analysis. It was smaller than I expected.
Seeing the f117 at the Regan Library I had the same takeaway, it was much smaller than I expected. Especially compared to the F14 next to it.
@@jkull173 F-14 isn't really a reference is it :p That thing is a flying barn lol.
Also, it would make sense to make a stealth plane small.
Actually find that kind of funny, back in 1992 I got to view an F-117 up and very close down at Alamogordo, the Air Force Base. My best friend from high school was stationed down there and literally was in charge the life-support systems on that aircraft. I was able to go on base and visit with him and he gave me kind of a tour. His Co of the Squadron he was in, took us both under his wing and took cash out on the flight line to one of the hangers where I got to go up and see the F-117 in person. In all honesty I didn't think it was that small, at least from my perspective which was no closer than 5 feet. But the one thing I really did think was cool being in a aircraft Hangar that was dimly lit it literally felt like it was sucking all the light into it almost like a black hole. And that was always my one big takeaway from that aircraft
There is an F-117 getting restored to be a museum piece for the SAC museum here in Nebraska (halfway between Omaha and Lincoln). The restoration hangar has a viewing window, and you can see that they're replacing half of the plane with wood bits, then painting it black with paint you get at Home Depot.
I do know from some books I own that the paint is classified, and that the leading and trailing edges of the wings are made of dielectric plastic. Radar hits the wing leading edges, and absorbs into the plastic, turning the radio energy into heat. That means no radar ping echo will ever return back to the radar dish that made it. They also had to cover the gaps in the panels and plane with some kind of putty, making that the single most labor intensive part of the plane flight, which later got made better using some sort of speed-tape. It turns out the panel edges are where most of your reflected energy comes from, so you need to have a plane with no gaps.
@@weirdguy564 crazy that it still is top secret...that's stuff from the 70's
The F-117 is still being flown, at least around my town. It was recently coated with a mirror paint similar to the new F-22 paint. It's mostly used in counter stealth exercises (think chinese stealth planes, and stealth missiles). JDAMS are being tested.
I thought they were retired? That is awesome news though
yea they around being used for r&D and testing from what i have heard
Makes you wonder how stealthy the f-117 would be with modern Radar absorbent materiel and design.
@@Daneoid81 It would probably look a lot more like an F-35. The Nighthawk was an incredible piece of technology that revolutionised air warfare, but it was also very compromised to enable it to work as a stealth aircraft.
@@trollerifficBeside the B 2, I, liked the F 117 design..cool plane!
The most common opinion about stealth characteristics is seldom the most accurate opinion.
Warm recollections of Microprose f-19/f-117 sims, which were kind of advanced for their time... And the manual was a fun book to read, detailing everything including different kinds of radars and techniques for notching
Yep I had the f19 computer simulation game and I always had a blast flying that thing
I was thinking the same thing, and hearing the intro music in my head.
they had great ideas implemented back then... e.g. the radar emitters on the MFD map along with the detection level indicator (maybe not realistic, but great for gameplay). Different ground radars required different flight path to delay detection (beaming for PD, but flying straight towards non-PD radars IIRC). Somehow the maps felt more crowded then some scenarios in DCS... you had radar stations, boats, aircraft on patrol. flying very slow and low (autopilot off since it's minimum height was relative high) could help a lot to sneak past enemy units. It was one of the sims that gave the impression there is a complete scneario. DCS missions feel like scripted missions: huge map, but to keep the FPS up most of the map is empty (in terms of units). Though this will maybe going to change now that we have MT.
@@slowhornet4802 precisely. Only problem I see was that while low and slow approach worked great, it did not result in a higher risk of engagement by an accidental nearby manpads/AA/optically guided SAMs as these were absent. In contrast, in LHX flying low was great for a stealthy run, but you could be also surprised by a Shilka, or just a dude with an AK/Igla as you got within their reach suddenly.
Cap, gotta hand it to you…. I don’t know how you come up with all these different scenarios, but I love that you do! Every day I look forward to your video dropping.
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Hey Cap and the Reapers. Idea for a competition video - now that you've got all these great mods and toys. (Just finished watching your S350 video with CH) : Create an Air defence system for a certain budget (open source the system costs) and test its effectiveness against AI / Humans. Who in GR can come up with the best AD on a budget. (My money's on Cortana!)
All the entrants would need to do is send you a list of what they want, where they want it and how much they spent. Winner would be most effective AD for cheapest price.
Love it!
Dear Cap, some advice regarding the feline foibles: Some cats don't respond to catnip (lack the heritable olfactory receptors for it) but do respond to valerian. A longer term solution could instead be to set up one or more Feliway diffusers (needs an available power socket) in your home. Feliway emulates the natural pheromones released by a mother cat to calm her kittens, reducing stress and comforting cats. It takes about a day to kick in but should calm down poor Pickles. Best of luck and see a vet if the stressed behaviour continues; it could also be health-related.
There are also Feliway wipes and sprays, which dont require an outlet… but do need more frequent application.
Got to see the F22 and F35 at an airshow today Cap. The F22 was the most amazing thing I've ever seen
oooOO lucky you!
Would be interesting if you could do 4th gen how 4th gen would have attempted this in real life. Need EF-111A Ravens in the group running jammers.
Growlers of the USN together with a lot of WW assets.
Unfortunately dcs does not allow for the area jamming that growlers and ravens provide
Heh, I flew with the 416th Squadron of the 37th TFW on opening night of Desert Storm. 1) It was NOT 'fun' and 2) The Nighthawk is a hard damned aircraft to fly.
She earned the name of 'Wobblin Goblin' for good reason. The b*tch was as slow as molasses, running uphill, in winter (I only ever got her past 600 mph, (540 knots) in a dive)! Unstable and hard to keep in the air. Her rate of ascent was horrible, but her operational ceiling was decent.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, her stealth was amazing.......until you opened the bomb bay doors. After that, your radar cross section goes from 0.001 m2 to HEY! LOOK AT ME! SHOOT. RIGHT. HERE!! We also missed targets....a lot....like 40%. On the plus side we also flew right over downtown Baghdad on a regular basis without getting shot down, so there's that.
I was never happier to leave an aircraft behind! Flew the Mudhen (F-15E) for many years after that.
Anyway, carry on! Have a pleasant weekend, gentlemen and ladies.
Thanks for this information!
The F117 flying with the F35s has the same energy as a grandpa having quality time with his grandkids
This was a fun one!! Hats of to Brandon the Buk Slayer!!! You guys called it, and the last dodge footage before they finally got him illustrated it the best, it's all in the wiggle!!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
Those missile chases were more like a Birds and Bees session.
Bravo to the near survivors... eventually/sadly, and in the words of Dawson : "You died young".
The F117 was like we found alien tech and adopted it for our own purposes with the materials we had on hand at the time.
that'll be the F-302 😂😂
@@turtoiseanvideos For me, S:AAB's SA-43 Endo/Exo-Atmospheric Attack Jet is the dogs bollocks.
@@jansenart0 Huh. Don't know the show, never heard of it. Thx for drawing my attention to it, haha!
@@turtoiseanvideos Channel is @ODavies and he's done a lot of other abandoned TV stuff.
Dodging missiles with Fly and the people's champ, a perfect Saturday video!
agree
GR pilots are all getting so good at dodging missiles! It is interesting how detectability and maneuverability both play a significant role in penetrating airspace.
31:58 - SuperCap at 10 ft - 700 mph - checks fuel - "Don't try this at home kids..."
Great video guys but yet another case where the f-111 going in fast and low would be a beautiful thing to see
Thanks for putting out content that entertains.
My guess at the 15-second mark is the F-117. I wonder if I'll be correct?
Real stealth operations, F-117 and B-2 infamously relied heavily on mission planning to maximize their advantage from stealth. Mostly because RCS is highly dependent on what direction the radar is looking from, which I don't think DCS handles at all.
With the F-35, it has all the hardware to gather all the information itself and let the pilot do re-planning on the fly. This is fully eradicated when you put them in a tight course like this, not that a dcs mod will deal with that in the first place.
I’d love to see a comparison of the stealth vs 4th gen with jammers, decoys, and HARMS
And the same with f-35
All this radar cross section stuff would work so much better if you could set different magnitudes along different vectors and then interpolate between them. So that you could have a different RCS from the rear and from the front. While the F-35 is stealthy, it's rear RCS (with the open engine) is going to be huge compared to the front.
Fair comment.
@@grimreapersit’s huge by any means. The tail plane and tail booms plus the serrated exhaust nozzle and the engine is mounted forward and thus is shielded from most directions. About the same as f-22. Plus the 35 sensors will let it know where radar/heat seeker is coming from and intimate a direction change to hide as as possible something non of the other stealth can do
There is some ridiculously good footage in here. Nice job guys.
I would really like to see the Grim Reapers attempt some "Proper missions".
This channel does a HUGE amount of testing, and I'm greatly appreciative of all that type of content, always entertaining. BUT - I would still like to see the GR crew flex their skills and really take on some difficult missions.
Examples? -
"We've discovered an enemy ICBM site, its heavily defended and we need to destroy it."
"An enemy CSG has snuck into friendly waters - Friendly forces have only 3-4 planes available to scramble for intercept - intercept the CSG and cause significant damage to the deck of the carrier!"
"Enemy has declared their territory as a "NO FLY ZONE" and is using SAM site's to shoot down civilian aircraft. GR must locate and destroy hidden SAM sites to protect civilian aircraft."
""Air Force One is attempting to exfil the President from an area which has suddenly become hostile. GR must scramble and secure airspace, allow AF1 to take off, and escort AF1 out of the area."
Sorry for the long comment, I do hope my suggestions spark some ideas for future videos!
Cap, have you guys made a decision about moving the F-35 to heatblasts simulated 0.002m^2 rcs?
I'm trying to make contact with the guy that did the actual RCS modelling to discuss. Will try to get him on for a vid.
24:34 Note: There actually is a holiday (German Unity Day) overlapping with Oktoberfest (this year spanning from September 16th to October 3rd), on Tuesday, October 3rd. I’m a neighbor so I know ;)
thx
Coolest thing I saw as a kid was a 4man of F117s taking off from Alamagordo. Banked back and flew back over to head out for bombing practice.
The cockpit had only been declassified for a week. Such a cool plane.
The 4th Gen part was SO good!
Love ya work Super Cap ❤
Cap, mini Cap & Pickles need Pink Floyd, Dark side of the moon album.
I do have this album.
14:53 is such a great catch on the camera
Cheers to Brandon. Amazing flying
I would like to see how low observable but not fully stealthy aircraft fare against a SAM gauntlet. Rafale F4, Super Hornet block 3, Boramae, Su-57, J-20
I love those F-117's and thankful for who took the mod this far, but man I wish someone would really give it some attention like one of the other 20 big lovely well done mods.
Oh, come now, Cap, you can plan a mission to deal with the Grim Baby if you can plan all these other missions.
I know, lack of sleep is debilitating when it comes to the ol' cranial approach, but think, man, think!
Love all the videos from you guys 😊
Would love to see YF-23 VS F-35!
I find it interesting that the F117 is more stealthy than the F35. I thought tech regarding coating etc advanced faster than "just" make it less suseptible to weather and stuff
It's not more stealthy than the F-35, it's just no one cares to use the correct figure or research further. Two United States Air Force Generals have already stated the F-35 is much more stealthy than the F-22, but here is the full story.
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The 0.005 figure was given as a 2005 estimate.
[QUOTE] November 25, 2005: The U.S. Air Force, in it's effort to get money to build more F-22s, has revealed just how "stealthy" the F-22 is. It's RCS (Radar Cross Section) is the equivalent, for a radar, to a metal marble. The less stealthy (and much cheaper) F-35, is equal to a metal golf ball. The F-35 stealthiness is a bit better than the B-2 bomber, which, in turn, was twice as good as that on the even older F-117. Much older aircraft, like the B-52, have a huge RCS, which makes them very easy to spot on radar. But with a smaller RCS, it's more likely that the aircraft won't be detected at all. [END QUOTE]
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However, once the F-35 was built, the advancements in stealth technology indicated it exceeded this value.
[QUOTE] As of May 31 [2011], Griffiths said, the Edwards F-35s had flown a total of 2,513 test points against a plan of 1,995. As of that date, the F-35A was hitting all of its key performance parameters, and radar cross-section testing is exceeding specifications. [END QUOTE]
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As more data came in, it turns out the F-35 is stealthier than the F-22. This is from two United States Air Force Generals
[QUOTE] The F-35’s cross section is much smaller than the F-22’s, but that does not mean, Hostage concedes, that the F-35 is necessarily superior to the F-22 when we go to war. [END QUOTE]
[QUOTE] "I would say that General Hostage … is accurate in his statement about the simple stealthiness of the F-35 [with regard] to other airplanes," Bogdan said in the interview. The statement was accurate for radar cross section, as measured in decibels, and range of detectability, he said, and he scoffed at the notion that anyone can tell how stealthy an aircraft is just by looking at it. [END QUOTE]
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Later, the Chief of Low Observability for the B-2 bomber notes the F-35 borrows a lot of techniques from the bomber. In this interview they also noted the advancement that makes the F-35 so stealthy. The airframe itself is made of a stealth material, it's not just a coating.
[QUOTE] On a radar map, a 747 would appear the size of a hot air balloon and an F-16 would look like a beach ball. Drill down to legacy stealth aircraft and Lockheed’s F-117 Nighthawk would show up as a golf ball while an F-22 Raptor might appear as a pea. With the F-35, Lockheed is getting down to pebble size, according to Robert Wallace, senior manager for F-35 flight operations.
Wallace, a former chief of low-observability for the US Air Force’s B-2 bomber, says the F-35 has leveraged LO qualities from the bomber - but he could not elaborate on specifics.
Pilots will see a more advanced low-observable signature on the F-35 versus the F-22, but it’s the maintainers who see the greatest leap in durability. [END QUOTE]
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Even pilots who migrate from the F-22 to the F-35 corroborate this information
[QUOTE] During a flight debriefing, Col. Chris Niemi and Maj. Nash Vickers both said a comparison of the radar-absorbing F-35 to its nimble but less stealthy twin-engine F-22 cousin might not reveal the whole story.
Niemi has eight years in the cockpit of an F-22 and is one of the few Air Force pilots who is qualified in both the Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II. He said he wanted to set the record straight on the Lightning II, once and for all. “Many have compared the F-22 to the F-35 but that comparison is unfair. With the F-35 Lightning, this fighter sees better, has more range, and is stealthier than any of its predecessors. This airplane, with its fly by wire technology, is super easy to fly and it has a very linear response.” [END QUOTE]
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So the F-35 is stealthier than legacy stealth platforms and there's several interviews and congress testimonies that highlight this fact. It's just people don't read those things. It's so interesting to me that the 2005 figure is the one that sticks and no one has bothered to read or watch the recent documentaries on this.
If you want to read these sources in complete, you can find them here:
www.reddit.com/r/Dragon029/comments/30fa43/f35_vs_f22_b2_stealth_claims/
I suspect that they have different performance at different frequencies.
It's not supposed to be though. I do see some figures supporting an RCS of 0.003 for the F-117, however the military has factually stated the F-35 has a lower RCS than the nighthawk and some figures in papers put out by the Navy have stated 0.0015 for the F-35, which according to them, is comparable to the B-2, which is supposed to have half the RCS of the F-117. The F-22 is supposed to be the king of frontal RCS with 0.0001-0.0002.
The F-117 is designed for stealth, that’s it.
The F-35 is a far more capable platform that does a lot more things.
@@Justanotherconsumer Still engeneering develops inside of 4 decades
For future inoculations, pre-medicate GR baby with baby Motrin, etc before he receives the shots. Baby will mostly avoid the discomfort.
Should include western SAM systems also
I just recently found you so you may already have a video like this my suggestion would be do a Iowa versus a Yamato as the flagships for both sides have access to four Cruisers, six Destroyers, 10 frigates can be any combination of ships in their class no carriers and both sides can have access to three wildcard ships can be a ship commanded by iconic commanders or a specific ship that did something amazing just cannot be carriers
0:01 Pre-viewing prediction: Considering the F-117 was the cream of 80’s tech, has no gun, and can only carry 2 weapons for ground attack, I’m gonna say the win goes to the F-35.
13:16 “I don’t know what to do…”
“Eject, eject, eject.”
I tried this just yesterday against CH's new S-350 SAM system and some Pantsir S2s. They couldn't see even F-117s as they were dropping GBUs from less than 10km
Strange.
What RCS did you set the F-117 to?
@@grimreapers I didn't change anything, just used the vanilla F-117 as is lol
Which F-117's are you using? I don't see any attribution and wanted to check it out.
Cap, the SA- designations for Soviet/Russian missiles are NATO reporting names. The S designations are Soviet/Russian names. For instance, the SA-2 Guideline is what NATO calls the missile used in the Soviet/Russian S-75 system. The NATO reporting name SA-6 Gainful missile is actually the 2K12 system.
The S-300, S-350, and S-400 systems use different, newer radars and missiles.
Why no super Hornet? It has a substantial reduction in RCS
Fair comment.
Love your videos, thanks kap and crew
Do you post the "Grim Reapers" Mods/Mod updates anywhere for download? If not you should!
Neg sorry, I don't have the rights to re-distribute modded versions of other people's mods.
Good job Brandon
Kinda threw me off with "gauntlet", which is SA-15 / 9K330 TOR :)
Incredible!
I understand that this is incredibly picky and trivial but I feel an urge to post it.
The most common search result will be the mode not the median!
The median of a set of data is the middle value. The mean is the avg of (sum of values / number of values). The mode is the most common value.
Thanks, sorry, long time since I did maths at school.
Did Brandon find the "up/down/up/down/b/a/b/a/select/start code for DCS?
It appears so.
Hi guys, can you try this but flying vertically? Would it be the same?
Hey Cap, how can we get your versions of the Mod jets Like the F35 (VSN) GRv11
Sadly I don't have the rights to re-distribute modded versions of other people's planes :( You can download the ships and ground vehicles though.
It’s weird - when my wife takes the kids to get shots they are really grumpy afterwards, when I go they just kinda walk it off and aren’t bothered.
Our daughter (two at the time) standing outside the nurse’s station warning people coming in about “owie” was classic.
Maybe she should at least keep out the 4th gens - lots of owie incoming.
Can you do RN 2000s aircraft carrier vs RN 2020s aircraft carrier?
rgr
Well done Symba!
This was a fun one. Add the raider next please!
This will be epic!
I have one thing to say about your little experiment, you were wrong about the f--117, when on a mission it does not fly at 5000 feet or higher, they fly just above the trees, they use terrain following radar until they get to the area where the attack commences. The bottom of the F-117 is flat which is ideal to get a radar return from. In reality, they would fly low and would never clime to 5000 feet or higher with the exception of avoiding terrain or getting ready to drop their ordinance. That being said I thought this was an interesting experiment.
I know this is a popular saying, but Well Done Brandon. You go Brandon. Excellent dodging skils.
Giving F-35 undetectable external stores is a stealth advantage - the F-35 (like F-117A) gives up a lot of stealth when opening the weapons bay doors - even though the time is usually fairly brief.
Can you just imagine being out there working with the sam sites and just seeing a f35 blasting by 10 feet off the ground at Mach 1
How much would a basic flight sim setup cost?
i’m someway new to this channel; are the grim reapers “tuned” mods available in any way?
intesting what a mossie would be radar cross section
Not sure about real life but in game it's very high.
Mossie wasn't remotely stealthy. Its RCS was probably lower than one of the big bombers, but that's not saying much.
Nobody:
Sr-71: Am I a joke to you?
Even before then there was Project Rainbow to reduce the RCS of the U2 (although that was a modification rather than incorporating stealth features in the design). The Lockheed A-12 was probably the first aircraft to incorporate radar stealth into its design through the use of shape, coatings, non-metallic materials and a special fuel blend to reduce reflectivity of the engine exhaust.
It’s possible that they would be detected at that range, but all I can say is if they’re in a big area, the likelihood of the missile itself being able to track is very small because it has a very small raider
Surprisingly a f117 was shot down by a s-125 in 1999, just shows that in real life a lot more circumstances plays into it. and that you can get a "lucky track"
yarp
I always find when watching this simulation with f117. The f117 cockpit, sorta makes me feel invisible, idk why... but pretty cool what u think GR...?
Only half of cats like catnip. 50/50. That's science. 6:18 You're upset the baby is crying, so you tell us. Lt. J. Pickles is upset too, and is telling you. A Lt., they'll think up something wrong, but try their best. Also, cats sleep like 18hrs. a day. I'll bet the kitty isn't getting as much attention either. Cutting into that is worthy of an offensive strike to a top predator.
She has also started peeing on the carpet to tell us she is unhappy (cat).
@@grimreapers Is her litter box always clean with lots of fresh litter? Maybe she has a UTI. That takes antibiotics from the Vet. I don't suppose there's a James Herriot nearby. I'm sure once everything becomes the new normal things will resolve.
To use the stealth to it ability? Stay under mach 0.95.
Mach will heat the skin up. Stealth needs to keep the skin cool to function properly.
AWW! Those f-117 wipping their tails looks like penguins!
F-117 also looks like Draken and sr-71 had got a little baby!
Not Simba getting lost again at the beginning... 😅
Why didn't you use the F-22 or your design of the B-21?
Talking of SA-3 coming down with no warning - well if it's ahead of you (even at altitude) and you're in Typhoon - IRST will "see" it. So will the new spec F-35s when they're built!
Hey Cap, thx for the vid's! Is the RCS on f 16\18-s is without payload? Does the RCS in game go up with the payload?
It's a nominal figure that does not change with payload.
TVM - track via missile... so has what a radar in the missile? why wouldnt it give you a warning?
5:00 Prediction: Both 4th gen jets will be shot down by thr first or second SAM sites, both stealth jets will make it to target.
7:49 "I'm so tired, I don't know which way to go from the runway."
_"Left." "Right."_
"Welcome to Grim Reapers." 🙄🙄🙄
😄😆😅😂🤣
Conclusion: I'm surprised none of the stealth planes beat the system. (Except Simba's low-level dash.)
30:40 That game crash wasn't Cap's fault, honestly. He's tired and simply following a woman's orders reflexively.
loved it
It’s always weird hearing max verstappen on GR videos, where does he find the time
The Time Travel Gauntlet of Destruction
UFO 23:15 left side.
I went to Octoberfest in the state's when I worked at Lufthansa, I wasn't to impressed. It's like a college dorm party, but there's a lot of things to buy.
Mostly it's stupid people getting drunk, acting stupid, and getting fired, because people don't know when to say enough is enough.
One wife was caught being banged by a coworker.
Like I said, kid's trying to act like adults with alcohol involved.
As for the 'Super Nighthawk' you were flying in this bit... It could be around in RL. The armed services always lowball the top speed of their kit. And, engines could be uprated or replaced.
You don't want to be supersonic in a stealth plane like the F-117. The sonic boom would tell everyone where you are.
@@RaderizDorret Heats up the airframe as well and needs more engine power so greater heat output from them.
@@trolleriffic There's also the differences in aerodynamic forces involved. The F-117 was notoriously a bit of a pain to handle even with its fly by wire setup. Going supersonic would really screw with its handling characteristics plus I'm not sure the airframe could handle those kinds of loads. Plus there's the issue of transonic drag which is why so many supersonic craft from the 1950s and 1960s have the "coke bottle" fuselage to assist in shedding said drag.
The story of the f-117 getting shot down is insane luck and determination. The story I heard was it was spotted taking off and the radar guy was on alert and knew where it would be coming from and sent to radar blast and picked up nothing and decided to go against protocol and did third blast and picked it up as it was opening its bomb bay. Talk about bad luck for the pilot 😂😂
More recent info from the radar operator suggests that the specific radar used made a difference and that luck played a large role as they happened to turn on at the right time. Sounded like the coordination of flight path info was not good enough to be much help and it was mostly dumb luck.
And the flight planning also fcked it up. The flight path was the same as before. So basically what led to this accident is:
Serbs had spotters and human intelligence assets in Italy nearby the airport where the bombers took off.
The aircrafts used the same flight path as before.
The mission took place without electronic-warfare aircraft(Prowlers) because of bad weather.
The SAM site crew already tried to lock and shot down these aircrafts hundreds of times before this accident and only managed to take down 2 aircrafts.
The SAM site crew used ultra low frequency for the radars to pick up the F-117.
cope lol🤣🤣🤣🤣 stupid expensive shit no plane is stealthy
What really killed the F-117 was a two-man outfit from Cambridge with a three suitcase (four if you count the laptop) in-the-field passive aircraft detection system (looking for moving holes in background radio clutter) - the company (was) disappeared overnight and all online presence of them deleted after the F-177A was brought down - they had to go further afield for customers after the MoD rejected them - and the rest is (not!) history. I hope the team ended up working for BAe rather than pushing up daisies! The widely spread account of this operation is a false story - still, it made the commander famous and wealthy. And the Serbs in the field did an amazing job of translating the co-ordinates into something their systems understood.
@@LondonSteveLee Of course that's what happened. And just four suitcases! No doubt they've got all that tech in a smartphone by now.
How do I change rcs in my mod grim?
I think electronic counter measures are probably under valued in DCS’s calculations (I won’t call them modelling!) The British were asked to (virtually) bomb the US to test their “impenetrable” coast to coast early warning RADAR system. The British managed to fly at least five Vulcans into US airspace straight to strategic military airports and land them - only notifying air traffic control at final approach! This happened twice in the 1960s several years apart - due to the humiliation, the Brits were never invited back for a third attempt!
That said, real time DSP has totally revolutionised RADAR performance. Type 45 destroyer can track any stealth aircraft at the maximum range dictated by the curvature of the earth (about 350 miles if you can get an aircraft up to 60,000 ft) The cost to benefit ratio of "stealth" aircraft - particularly the cost to operate and upgrade them is off the chart. By all means reduce RCS but anything above that is just burning money - technology (in the west) has moved beyond small RCS being an issue to RADAR, the money should be spent on longer range better weapons delivered by cheap, replaceable pilotless aircraft. F-35 would have been a magnificent thing to have in 1980 or 1990 - it's now pointlessly expensive and sophisticated. We've got the same issues in air defence - firing one million dollar missiles that take up to a year to manufacture to knock down a three thousand dollar drone that can be churned out by the thousand. A pilot is just as likely to find himself in enemy territory from a F-35 breaking down mid-mission as being shot down in a 4th gen fighter - I'd rather be in something reliable like a Typhoon or F-16 fitted with a decent ECM system.
The old fashioned VHF antenna’s on the Chinese destroyers for detection of long-range stealth aircraft show they are a generation or two behind the west - but I’m sure they’ll soon steal enough tech to catch up.
This simulation is unfair to the F-35 in terms of the advantages it has over the Nighthawk. It has a lot of features that makes it much better than the -117. Probably the biggest one is having a RWR unlike the -117 which didnt have one. Other stuff like actually having a radar, self defense capability, EOTS + DAS can also give it much better situational awareness to locate SAMs especially more mobile and dispersed systems. Theres a lot more but these are just some examples.
Towed decoy
It's supposed to be, it's had several decades more to improve and it's a dedicated multirole fighter whereas the Nighthawk was strike only. Granted, most of the F-35's capabilities aren't modeled so in game it's much closer than it would be irl
Cry
So a bird has a larger radar cross section than an f117?
The F 117s were able to carry 2 JDAMS by the way JDAMS use GPS/INS guidence
And also JDAMS have been in service since 1997 and the F117 was retired in 2008
I know that the real numbers are secret, but I have always thought that the B-2 had the second smallest RCS out of all US planes, right after the F-22. The B-21 has probably taken that second place now, but if you disregard the B-21. Does the F-117 really have a smaller RCS?
Lol at the RCS of B2 and 117. Flip them reduce them to size of bumblebee and bird.
Cap calling out Strider for being under 5K when he was even lower when he got hit 😂
Yeh, that was harder than I thought.
Poor Pickles. There are veterinary recommended Cat calming products.
I am assuming the Russian sams use the flight characteristics of planes compared to birds to decide to shoot. It seems to me that equipping stealth planes with a way to generate instability into the radar profile would counterman this somewhat, like making the radar think it's flapping wings. Of course, the speed would be hard to mask. Maybe if the planes created multiple signatures that would also help.
F-117 as much of a flying brick as the Space Shuttle. First mission: Panama to overthrow Noriega.
Turkey to calm Pickles? It's a thought... just, not too much.