You can easily track Admiral Kuznetsov from space just following her smoke trail - however she has a sneaky stealth mode when the tugs regularly take over propulsion.
Bro… if Russia and China even got close to Norfolk they would see a hell worse than their wildest dreams. That base is ridiculous. Imagine a crappy Russian carrier strike group and an unproven Chinese carrier group VS a quarter of the Naval force in the world in one area? That’s assisted suicide at that point.
@@typehyuga607 let me rephrase my comment… They would be absolutely stupid if every ship in port was manned and ready for an attack 😂 not playing golf or in the bars getting shitfaced. Who the hell am I kidding were fucked 🤣
Seeing how Russia’s only carrier needs a tug boat escort just to make it to off the coast of Syria, I doubt the ship could make it to Norfolk. Plus they would have had to run the gauntlet of other NATO navies to reach this point.
For those asking - F35As are at Elgin AFB in Florida and Burlington ANG in Vermont. Bravos are at MCAS Beaufort in South Carolina and MCAS Cherry Point in North Carolina. Charlie's are in NAS Patuxent in Maryland and Elgin in Florida.
Even northeast Florida is too far away to make any difference on the outcome. One thing that hasn’t been modeled is that the fleets would be trailed upon leaving the Pacific & attacked while still 1500 nm (2 days’ sailing) away from being able to launch & retrieve aircraft - ATST, NO Rational Admiral would not sally the Carrier Battle Groups as soon as the Chinese are detected entering the Atlantic.
@@TraditionalAnglican - yeah, Cap mentioned this isn't anything close to realistic. One of the GR guys mentioned the lack of F35s and wondered if there were any on the East Coast...
Cherry Point and Beaufort F35s could contribute. NAS Pax, no. What is left out is US subs also off the coast. I know he mentioned that they can't set it for US aircraft to rtb, but they would not run out of fuel, or very few would. Both style aerial refueling is available in the area.
That's precisely why I suggested it! I live in the Virginia Beach/Chesapeake area so Hampton Roads is my home. I wanted to see what Naval Station Norfolk, and America, could do if someone brought the fight to us.
You made a mistake in regards to the ships at port, their crews are indeed aboard. Even though a Naval ship is at port doesn't mean their empty, far from it, thier crews work aboard from 07:00 to 17:00 like a normal job with a skelton crew and junior crew members who remain onboard their ships durnig the night that can still easily handle CIS in order to launch missles.
With Russia wanting to try and snag the MQ-9 that crashed into the black sea, i heard that the US might also want to try and recover this even though they supposedly Wiped everything from the Drone. What would a possible conflict look like between these small groups if conflict were to arise. Sounds like something for your wargames.
@@technicalfool the controllers flying the drone did a lawn dart into the Black Sea with it at high speed and if the Russians want the little pieces they can try to find them. When you dive an aircraft at high speed of about 500 mph into water, it's just like hitting land, and it just comes apart. i live at the navy base china lake where the navy uses a lot of target drones and for safety reasons if a target drone made from a old fighter plane like a F-4 phantom is damaged too bad for recovery they just dive it straight into the ground and there is very little left.
My father was stationed at NAS Norfolk from 1969 - 1975. Spent many days playing golf, swimming and just generally hanging out there. They had a great O-Club with the best buffet service on Sundays. Loves the huge leg of roast beef the stewards carved for you.
This is funny! I live next to Langley. You forgot about ALL of the other bases with their armaments. Fort Story in VB, Little Creek in Norfolk, Dam Neck in VB, Fort Eustis in NN, and so many more. Thanks for the laugh!
Gotta say... I love the confidence in assuming that Kuznetsov could sail farther than 500 miles from home without either breaking down or catching on fire. LOL
@@grimreapersmissed a few marine air wings and naval air bases along the way. The marine air wing in South Carolina has f35’s as was being asked in the beginning. Also have multiple army bases that would have capable missle batteries for defense and attack of ships.
Absolutely. Spent weekends and holidays on ships so it could get underway quickly. Many people needed. I was there. My parents visited the ship on a holiday but we had to have a full crew ready. No booze but they fed me and my parents lobster and steak. Navy rocks.
Its more than a skeleton crew. 9months at sea and 3months in port but youre still full time. Closer to 33% staffed 24hrs a day while in port. Enough for short sail and be combat effective.
Try a polar attack on Cold Lake Alberta AFB, make it extra fun and do it during our annual Maple Flag exercise. US, UK, Germany, Australia, etc routinely participate. About 5,000 allied personnel show up for it.
Dude- at any given time, the second most powerful Navy in the world is anchored at Norfolk. Two super carriers and a handful of smaller carriers can be seen when going across the bridge tunnels. Norfolk and surrounding sites are big as they come.
Considering China already demonstrated global hypersonic orbital strike in 2021, and they'll have another >5 years to perfect and field the system, how do you propose United States retain any surface ships anywhere on earth 1 hour after start of hostilities?
@@vlhc4642 Big whoop. The thing about China's orbital hypersonic efforts is they might as well just be nukes, because that's what they end up being strategically. The minute you send a volley of those at the US, the US, in turn, sends nukes. It's just a fancy example of mutually assured destruction.
MCAS Cherry Point will have a total of 6 Squadrons of F-35B fighters by June 2023. The formal transitioning began December. 2022 so I would guess that there are 3 F-35b Squadrons available with one of those being a training squadron. There may be 1 squadron of Harriers still active but that's speculation.
My father worked at the Newport News shipyard then worked for NASA at Langley .It was called NACA at first .The first project my father worked on was putting grooves in the runways to allow better traction in wet weather.They drove pickups up and down the wet runway with giant fan wind machines trying to blow them off .The development of grooved pavement (that we all drive on ) started at Langley .Every time that I drive on grooved pavement I think of my late father.Langley is mainly a research center and not heavily armed ?
The Fujian is not combat ready. When they launched it last year it had no catapults, arrester cables, flying control positions, radars, and that's just the visible parts.
*** I was Born and Raised in Norfolk, Va. ( I was also an Aerographer's Mate in the Navy ). I'm so glad you are pronouncing " Norfolk " correctly 😅. We have the largest Navel Facility in the world. A few Units you may have left out. 1. Navy Seals at the Amphibious Base 2. U.S. Coast Guard 3. The USS Wisconsin in port as a floating museum and 4. The Ghost Fleet Ships in mothball.(James River Reserve Fleet).
Last year I had a US East coast vacation that took in Norfolk to visit a Royal Navy friend who is based at NATO Command. He arranged for us to meet an active USN pilot, 'Mayhem', at NAS Oceana. As we approached it seemed the sky was full of Hornets! So much noise! Mayhem was a great guide: he showed us around an F18 cockpit (although he could only show us one which had the MFCD removed, for security) and when I showed him how I'd learned to start up his ride from DCS he was a bit surprised! It was a massive pleasure to meet an active Navy Airman and an honour to buy him a few beers and talk aviation crap with him later. I still can't believe people fly planes into ships for a living. My Father did 22 years in the Royal Navy, too, most of it fixing the shit that the fly boys broke.
They wouldn't even need AWACS to see them coming. There's a suite of 11 air and surface search radars in the immediate vicinity of Hampton Roads, so they would pick up on them pretty quickly.
This was fun... but if a fleet was making it's way to Norfolk... every Airman, Marine and Sailor.. and even the Coast Guard would be all hands on deck and they'd be bringing in reinforcements from whereever they could from the second they realized there was a threat
I was stationed in Newport News(Norfolk Virginia) good luck taking hitting this base this base has the most US Naval assets globally. It happens to also be the most heavily defended base in the world. So this is impossible to pull off.
WWIII would have to be going really, really badly for NATO if this attack was even possible. Most of Europe would probably be under Russian control. The U.S and Canadian West Coast might have fallen with enemy troops in Florida and possibly Maine.
From what I understand, hypersonic's have to slow down in terminal phase for target updates and link-up. They are targetable during this time and Intercept able. The issue is timing. It gets there so fast, the intercept may not have time to react against numerical superiority.
I mentioned this in a comment a month ago, that reality would dictate taking out the carriers as soon as possible, why wait until the end? It’s like they are doing a movie script and leaving the best for last, instead of being accurate.
Are you serious about a joint attack on our Naval base at Norfolk VA. Russian and Chinese naval forces will just sail in the Atlantic Ocean towards the USA without detection. Really, our defense posture would meet them well away from our shores, with our nuclear subs, navy destroyers and massive air power. Russian ND Chinese forces would never have the opportunity to even fire their missiles, if some are released, our middle defense would shoot them down.
What about the usual sub or two the US has loitering off the east coast? Also coast guard ships would be available in a knock down drag out battle like this?
Subs do not really work properly in DCS, and wouldn't be of any real use for the server resources they would consume. Same with the Coast Guard ships. Even if this was IRL the coast guard ships don't carry missile tubes AFAIK so would only be useful defending against landing craft, if they wouldn't already be smashed out by the fighters. Cannons would rip those unarmoured ships apart.
@@cg9952 IRL, sure. But this is a game and can only simulate what is available to it. Subs just act like surface ships right now and all they can do is use their deck gun(s).
Bit disappointed when I realised you were talking about that other Norfolk, although I probably should have twigged earlier as the US navy doesn't really have much of a presence in east anglia....... We'd give the commies some stick though.
12:59 the Harrier in DCS is the AV-8B Harrier II Night Attack, the most modern USMC Harrier variant is the AV-8B Harrier II Plus (also known as the Radar Harrier) with an APG-73 radar and AIM-120 AMRAAM capability.
@@spinosarcadegaming4538 I still think the biggest mistake the British made was to have two types - which is what made it easy for the politicians to get rid of them prematurely. We should have put all the capabilities in one Harrier like the US.
Two versions meaning the Sea Harrier and the Harrier II? I believe the Sea Harriers all got replaced by Harrier IIs (GR.7/9) so at the end the RAF and RN both flew the GR.9 and any GR.7s that never got upgraded to GR.9.
In 1990 Aviation leak disclosed that small nuclear bombs around critical targets could launch enough dirt and sand to effectively deflect an incoming hypersonic ballistic warhead
Awesomesauce! I have been stationed at NOB Norfork since 1993. I am just wondering why you didn't put in the aircraft from NAS Norfork? I would think the F18s there along with Helos could be in flight pretty quickly. (Separate tarmacs) still cool to see though. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this.
im pretty certain the kinetic force of YJ21s would make them nearly unstoppable against a static target. They should be modelled so that anything short of a direct hit on them won't destroy the missile but disable its ability to track.
@@hughmungus2760 missiles are incredibly system dense and have absolutely zero survivability, even slight hits will inevitably hit part of the “control surface chain” or “guidance chain” and remove the missiles ability to strike its target, unless it is literally a point blank shoot down the reason direct hit kill vehicles are used is actually because they just save weight and space, lethality isn’t a concern unless you are dealing with a very small selection of systems, but that isn’t an important design consideration
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 Sure, for a cruise missile or anything with large control surfaces, but for something that is essentially already a dart, disabling the missile in terminal might not be enough to stop the carcass of the missile just slamming into the target on a ballistic trajectory Thats why all ABM systems primarily focus on midcourse interception rather than terminal, just because of how unreliable terminal interception tends to be. I recall something about patriots struggling against Iraqi scuds because the warheads couldn't be reliably killed with fragmentation.
He changed their terminal velocity to mach 4 instead of mach 10. Irl YJ-21 doesn't need to slowdown since satellites, drones do the guidance. Worse case, one YJ-21 can slowdown to guide the rest of YJ-21 who still fly at mach 10
This was fascinating to watch! Would love to see a version where some of the hornets had anti ship loadouts for a counter strike. I would also love to see the (predictable but cinematic) simulation of an attempted mass troop landing on the east coast.
As for the F-35s on the East Coast. There are A’s at Shaw AFB in South Carolina and Elgin in FL as well as some in Vermont. There are B’s at MCAS Beaufort in South Carolina. So a little far away for this simulation.
I haven't gotten into the match yet, but just wondering if you're simming the tugs that the Russian CV need to actually get it moved anywhere. Also, will it be on fire at the start? Or will it wait until it's been attacked?
I'm sitting here watching this setup, and I can't help but think that the 54 Raptors at Langley could probably take this entire Chinese/Russian attack force. Guess we'll see how it plays out though.
I spent four years there when I was aboard the Theodore Roosevelt. At first we spent a lot of time @ Newport News where it was built. I got aboard her just after she was commissioned and was doing workups and sea trials. But once all that was done it was back to Norfolk and the carrier berths. It is a HUGE base. I believe it is the largest naval base of any country in the world.
If F-35B was any good and was reliable the number WOULD be 100% by now, but it's not even half that. 10 years since the British received their first F-35B and we are STILL not operating them off carriers (a handful of limited sea trials aside) - they are obsolete already (avionics) due to the impossibly long and drawn-out development programme and are still full of bugs. The project is a disaster and I won't even mention the rather delicate engine that has thrust restrictions in peacetime. When you consider less than 4 years into service, squeaky new Harrier was thrust into a real war with incredible sortie rates in the harshest conditions possible and came out of it smelling of roses. Four years into its supposed service life how would F-35B have survived in the South Atlantic in a war situation? - You'd be down to 0 aircraft in a couple of days if you managed to get a single one off the deck in a raging South Atlantic storm without the constant salt water bath destroying something important!
@@LondonSteveLee ha ha ha wow - taking it you are not a lover of the type! We have only the A model in Australia and it seems to be performing quite well here. I fear your memory of the harriers perfection may be romanticised, it had its own suite of problems to begin with and cam from a completely different kind of conflict, none of the ships or aircraft from them would last too long on a modern conflict. And from what I understand many of your problems filling a carrier are due to the carrier. The F35s or all types are far from obsolete, they are still far more advanced than any other jet out there, they will one day be eclipsed but that’s to be expected, that’s how tech advances.
@@doemacmonkey The reliability and performance of Harrier in the Falklands was astonishing however you look at it - particularly as it was a fairly new plane. F-35A was the wrong plane for Australia - you should have gone for a conventional allrounder a true replacement for F.111, you have a lot of land mass to cover, for the cost of running F-35A you could have had twice as many Rafales and use the sub compo to cover some of the budget rather than burn the money. Forget purchase cost this is trivial compared to running costs/ reliability/availability - all of which are a problem with a variants of F-35. The issues surrounding F-35B and the QE carriers are NOT the carriers (after the initial deck warp issues that have been rectified) - the planes are hard to operate, the issues are around flight control software integration and operating off the carriers as we need to "roll land" to protect the weak engine and carry enough ordinance to be effective. The systems onboard the F-35 are antiquated - developed in the 90s - extremely difficult to modify and debug - the plane needs a total avionics refit.
Wouldn’t there be ships at sea defending the coast? Isn’t there usually a carrier group of the us east coast at any given time? And if yes then wouldn’t you take their ship-to-ship armament into consideration as well? I know the us navy’s main offensive power is its aircraft but the destroyers and cruisers still have ship-to-ship missiles that could be used against the attacking forces. I know one us carrier group couldnt take on all of the attacking carriers but still they’d do something right?
Former US Navy vet here. Biggest complaint I have with the video is that no actively commissioned US navy ship is ever "inactive". It will ALWAYS have part of the crew onboard lead by the CDO (command duty officer) usually of department head level or better. This part of the crew is called the "duty section" and is made up of crew from ALL departments (Ops, Weaps, Eng, Nav, Deck, Supply, etc). The ships crew in "Home Port" may have as many as 6 sections (so 1/6 of the crew onboard at all times). Away from "Home Port" you are looking at either a port/starboard section (1/2 crew on board and 1/2 crew on liberty) or a 3 section (1/3 of the crew onboard). The main idea for this is that its the fleet recommended number to be able to get a ship underway AND fight if needed (think run from a storm/hurricane or in case of attack from from non-friendly forces). Even if the ship is tied to the pier, she can still fight in a limited SELF DEFENCE roll, up to and including CIWS and VLS launch for SAMs. Other than that, love your videos! if you have any questions that I am able to answer about the US Navy please feel free to ask.
No F-35s at MCAS Cherry Point, but they should start arriving this year to replace the last of the Harriers. There ARE F-35s at MCAS Beaufort (South Carolina), but that's a bit further south.
And with that said, F-35s have been flying from MCAS Cherry Point the last two days. Heard them above the cloud cover this morning, but saw a couple of Harriers at about 2,000ft ... and amazingly saw an Israeli built Kfir at about 2,500-3,000 feet. The Kfir was US Military owned, and appeared to have also flew from Cherry Point. I live about 20 miles east of the air station, and have never seen a Kfir.
You explained why the coastline isn't modeled, but I noticed the Norfolk Docks are tucked away and behind. How much defense does that provide against what you threw at it in this simulation?
@@brianb5543 So then, if the missiles got through the air defenses they would have just slammed into the seaward side of that peninsula? (Pause at 7:39). What is the elevation of this bit of land and what incoming angles would projectiles/missiles need to get over/around it?
@@spacemanduke3404 that “peninsula” is Virginia Beach and it is roughly 20-30 feet above sea level tops. The oceanfront does have high rise hotels though so they might eat some of the missiles.
@@LondonSteveLee Don’t try to act too smart. For all intents and purposes, China may have declared the order, internationally, after they had already produced half of the stipulated order. They did the same thing with its Shandong Aircraft Carrier.
Russian ships such as the Gorshkov and the Kirov can carry the 3M22 Zircon (operational as of 4 Jan. 2023) hypersonic missile, is there a plan to add the missile to the kirov? I ask because I selfishly want an HD model of the Kirov :)
@Jonathan Pfeffer why? It was declared operational and is fitted on warships with the universal VLS cells. There probably isn't too many of them (not enough resources and only a couple months of time) but they do exist. It's also been kn development for years, since 2018 at least and probably more. Either way it almost certainly exists, just in unknown quantity
Alternate ending. As a last ditch defense the Axis fleet detonates an EMP weapon that decimates the American Air Force on the east coast.. Grim Reapers must hunt down the fleeing Axis fleet with stealth bombers and no AWACS support.
Unaffected by the EMP blast, the warbirds have a brief window of time to spot the enemy ships so they can vector in the strike group of bombers heading east refueling over the desert.
Once the missiles are launched at the US, the attacking ships would be sunk by the half dozen or so US attack submarines that would have been following them since the carriers entered the Atlantic.
Why wouldn’t a group be assigned to take out the carriers and awake. I would think we have ground based defense that could take out the attack by itself.
You can easily track Admiral Kuznetsov from space just following her smoke trail - however she has a sneaky stealth mode when the tugs regularly take over propulsion.
Don't be ridiculous Kuznetsov is a super advanced stealth Aircraft Carrier, that's why no one has seen it in years.
@@DivusMagus Hahahaha, you two are hilarious
the diesel those tugs burn to pull that big fat fuck will be even more visible💀
Extra lol points
Don't really think you can track it from space since that photo was a volcano but still not particularly stealthy
Bro… if Russia and China even got close to Norfolk they would see a hell worse than their wildest dreams. That base is ridiculous. Imagine a crappy Russian carrier strike group and an unproven Chinese carrier group VS a quarter of the Naval force in the world in one area? That’s assisted suicide at that point.
@@belliduradespicio8009 Yes master, next time I’ll ask you for permission before I comment something so obviously stupid it triggers your fragile ego.
Me inside the base reading this comment😂😂
if either russia or china were to attack the US mainland it would be with ICBMs anyway.
@@typehyuga607 let me rephrase my comment… They would be absolutely stupid if every ship in port was manned and ready for an attack 😂 not playing golf or in the bars getting shitfaced. Who the hell am I kidding were fucked 🤣
Seeing how Russia’s only carrier needs a tug boat escort just to make it to off the coast of Syria, I doubt the ship could make it to Norfolk. Plus they would have had to run the gauntlet of other NATO navies to reach this point.
For those asking - F35As are at Elgin AFB in Florida and Burlington ANG in Vermont. Bravos are at MCAS Beaufort in South Carolina and MCAS Cherry Point in North Carolina. Charlie's are in NAS Patuxent in Maryland and Elgin in Florida.
Even northeast Florida is too far away to make any difference on the outcome. One thing that hasn’t been modeled is that the fleets would be trailed upon leaving the Pacific & attacked while still 1500 nm (2 days’ sailing) away from being able to launch & retrieve aircraft - ATST, NO Rational Admiral would not sally the Carrier Battle Groups as soon as the Chinese are detected entering the Atlantic.
@@TraditionalAnglican - yeah, Cap mentioned this isn't anything close to realistic. One of the GR guys mentioned the lack of F35s and wondered if there were any on the East Coast...
Cherry Point and Beaufort F35s could contribute. NAS Pax, no.
What is left out is US subs also off the coast.
I know he mentioned that they can't set it for US aircraft to rtb, but they would not run out of fuel, or very few would. Both style aerial refueling is available in the area.
If we are going for realistic then the Russian and Chines best bet would be to nuke Norfolk.
Tyndall in Florida as well
I live here and the Norfolk / Hampton Roads area is the largest military complex in the world. This was really fun to watch
That's precisely why I suggested it! I live in the Virginia Beach/Chesapeake area so Hampton Roads is my home. I wanted to see what Naval Station Norfolk, and America, could do if someone brought the fight to us.
Wouldn’t they be able to field more surface ships? Considering there’s a shit ton of naval personnel on site correct?
I'm in Newport News building those carriers.
@@ForestBlue7 they have to prep them to go. Then preparing for combat is a whole other animal
@@kaburgess69 remember, cardboard’s out, no cardboard derivatives either
Don’t want the front to fall off now 🙂
You made a mistake in regards to the ships at port, their crews are indeed aboard. Even though a Naval ship is at port doesn't mean their empty, far from it, thier crews work aboard from 07:00 to 17:00 like a normal job with a skelton crew and junior crew members who remain onboard their ships durnig the night that can still easily handle CIS in order to launch missles.
Plus that kind of Chinese and Russian military build up would be noticed and the US would be on full alert
With Russia wanting to try and snag the MQ-9 that crashed into the black sea, i heard that the US might also want to try and recover this even though they supposedly Wiped everything from the Drone. What would a possible conflict look like between these small groups if conflict were to arise. Sounds like something for your wargames.
Could be fun, especially if there's a trigger where the US will try to obliterate the drone if they can't recover it.
@@technicalfool the controllers flying the drone did a lawn dart into the Black Sea with it at high speed and if the Russians want the little pieces they can try to find them. When you dive an aircraft at high speed of about 500 mph into water, it's just like hitting land, and it just comes apart.
i live at the navy base china lake where the navy uses a lot of target drones and for safety reasons if a target drone made from a old fighter plane like a F-4 phantom is damaged too bad for recovery they just dive it straight into the ground and there is very little left.
I'm sure the Russians have already recovered a few of these drones from Syria etc
My father was stationed at NAS Norfolk from 1969 - 1975. Spent many days playing golf, swimming and just generally hanging out there. They had a great O-Club with the best buffet service on Sundays. Loves the huge leg of roast beef the stewards carved for you.
This is funny! I live next to Langley. You forgot about ALL of the other bases with their armaments. Fort Story in VB, Little Creek in Norfolk, Dam Neck in VB, Fort Eustis in NN, and so many more. Thanks for the laugh!
Gotta say... I love the confidence in assuming that Kuznetsov could sail farther than 500 miles from home without either breaking down or catching on fire.
LOL
They did just put a new engine in it, and it's sailing right now
@theaxgame it's out of drydock but not repaired fully yet, predictions are 2024 at the earliest
@@theaxgame
Is it farther than 500 miles from home?
@@theaxgame So...we're expecting another 4-5 months of belching black smoke before it needs to be drydocked for repairs again?
@@theaxgame pretty sure the engine is still not operational, saw a video of it being pulled by tugboats as usual
Russian bots gonna be complaining
China too
Russian bots best/worst bots?
Russian bots are captured American drones plugged into computers and told to shitpost
@@grimreapers all bots...?
@@grimreapersmissed a few marine air wings and naval air bases along the way. The marine air wing in South Carolina has f35’s as was being asked in the beginning. Also have multiple army bases that would have capable missle batteries for defense and attack of ships.
I’m quite sure that even in port, the naval ships would keep a skeleton crew on board, which means at least defences would be manned
Absolutely. Spent weekends and holidays on ships so it could get underway quickly. Many people needed. I was there. My parents visited the ship on a holiday but we had to have a full crew ready. No booze but they fed me and my parents lobster and steak. Navy rocks.
And they would be sallied out as soon as soon as they cross into the Atlantic!
During the Cold War, we had to have 25% of the crew on board at all times
A: Bonhomie Richards want to have a word with you about readiness when docked.
B: Chinese orbital strikes doesn't care how many crew are onboard.
Its more than a skeleton crew. 9months at sea and 3months in port but youre still full time. Closer to 33% staffed 24hrs a day while in port. Enough for short sail and be combat effective.
God, those 54 Raptors at Langley would be an absolute nightmare to deal with if you couldn't prevent them from taking off.
I honestly don't think either the Kuznetzov or the Type-3 could realistically even make it that far lol
true
How many tugboats did it take to get the Kuznetzov across the Atlantic?
None. It sank on its way out of dock 😅
Agreed, they would be intercepted 1000 miles away by US CSGs
@@belliduradespicio8009 with nuclear weaponry
You would see the Kuzenetzovs smoke trail from about 1000 miles away 😅
Try a polar attack on Cold Lake Alberta AFB, make it extra fun and do it during our annual Maple Flag exercise. US, UK, Germany, Australia, etc routinely participate. About 5,000 allied personnel show up for it.
Canada rocks!
Dude- at any given time, the second most powerful Navy in the world is anchored at Norfolk. Two super carriers and a handful of smaller carriers can be seen when going across the bridge tunnels. Norfolk and surrounding sites are big as they come.
Second most? Are you implying that USPACFLT is number one?
It’s all one big navy
@@gorflunk number one is USN.
Considering China already demonstrated global hypersonic orbital strike in 2021, and they'll have another >5 years to perfect and field the system, how do you propose United States retain any surface ships anywhere on earth 1 hour after start of hostilities?
@@vlhc4642 Big whoop.
The thing about China's orbital hypersonic efforts is they might as well just be nukes, because that's what they end up being strategically. The minute you send a volley of those at the US, the US, in turn, sends nukes.
It's just a fancy example of mutually assured destruction.
Us subs would turn those reds into a coral reef.
You're a sub? Didn't know they could type!
@@LondonSteveLee funny funny
MCAS Cherry Point will have a total of 6 Squadrons of F-35B fighters by June 2023. The formal transitioning began December. 2022 so I would guess that there are 3 F-35b Squadrons available with one of those being a training squadron. There may be 1 squadron of Harriers still active but that's speculation.
thx
My father worked at the Newport News shipyard then worked for NASA at Langley .It was called NACA at first .The first project my father worked on was putting grooves in the runways to allow better traction in wet weather.They drove pickups up and down the wet runway with giant fan wind machines trying to blow them off .The development of grooved pavement (that we all drive on ) started at Langley .Every time that I drive on grooved pavement I think of my late father.Langley is mainly a research center and not heavily armed ?
Sounds like you’re confusing NASA Langley with Langley AFB. They’re practically next door to one another, but two separate entities.
The Fujian is not combat ready. When they launched it last year it had no catapults, arrester cables, flying control positions, radars, and that's just the visible parts.
*** I was Born and Raised in Norfolk, Va. ( I was also an Aerographer's Mate in the Navy ). I'm so glad you are pronouncing " Norfolk " correctly 😅. We have the largest Navel Facility in the world. A few Units you may have left out. 1. Navy Seals at the Amphibious Base 2. U.S. Coast Guard 3. The USS Wisconsin in port as a floating museum and 4. The Ghost Fleet Ships in mothball.(James River Reserve Fleet).
Thank you for your service. And yes, nice to hear pronounced correctly.😊
Love this one. I spent 3 years at Seymour Johnson in the mid 80's. I was there when the first F-15E's arrived.
There is no way in hell they could approach our coast without us first getting all up in their faces.
"they're going to need bigger boats" is such a funny yet true prediction
I was stationed at Nas Oceana F-4 and F-14 and several surface ships at Norfolk Naval Base. I retired from the Navy while on a Tico.
Thank you for your service. Much respect.
I can't wait to see this play out! Thank you for all the hard work Grim Reapers!!
I love how Russian carrier looks so colorful like an emotional support clown for the Chinese fleet😂😂
Last year I had a US East coast vacation that took in Norfolk to visit a Royal Navy friend who is based at NATO Command. He arranged for us to meet an active USN pilot, 'Mayhem', at NAS Oceana.
As we approached it seemed the sky was full of Hornets! So much noise! Mayhem was a great guide: he showed us around an F18 cockpit (although he could only show us one which had the MFCD removed, for security) and when I showed him how I'd learned to start up his ride from DCS he was a bit surprised!
It was a massive pleasure to meet an active Navy Airman and an honour to buy him a few beers and talk aviation crap with him later. I still can't believe people fly planes into ships for a living. My Father did 22 years in the Royal Navy, too, most of it fixing the shit that the fly boys broke.
They wouldn't even need AWACS to see them coming. There's a suite of 11 air and surface search radars in the immediate vicinity of Hampton Roads, so they would pick up on them pretty quickly.
This was fun... but if a fleet was making it's way to Norfolk... every Airman, Marine and Sailor.. and even the Coast Guard would be all hands on deck and they'd be bringing in reinforcements from whereever they could from the second they realized there was a threat
It's so frustrating to watch this scenario and know that NSB Kings Bay, NS Mayport, and NAS Jacksonville are out of the fight
I was stationed in Newport News(Norfolk Virginia) good luck taking hitting this base this base has the most US Naval assets globally. It happens to also be the most heavily defended base in the world. So this is impossible to pull off.
WWIII would have to be going really, really badly for NATO if this attack was even possible. Most of Europe would probably be under Russian control. The U.S and Canadian West Coast might have fallen with enemy troops in Florida and possibly Maine.
As funny this is, as a former sailor who served at NAS Oceana, (the Beach) the Navy wouldn't let anything like this even close.
What would be great would be the counterstrike from the East Coast. Those nice fat carriers off the coast would be interesting!
Left out NAS Patuxent River
Feel like u should add f35s as well from the carriers as well
There are f 35's on the eastcost at P.A.X navel air bace in maryland
From what I understand, hypersonic's have to slow down in terminal phase for target updates and link-up. They are targetable during this time and Intercept able. The issue is timing. It gets there so fast, the intercept may not have time to react against numerical superiority.
I might be missing something, but why when you do the US carrier attacks dont F35s carry some LRASMs and try to clear a carrier early.
I mentioned this in a comment a month ago, that reality would dictate taking out the carriers as soon as possible, why wait until the end? It’s like they are doing a movie script and leaving the best for last, instead of being accurate.
I tried it and it does work BUT it makes a very boring video, hence sending them in last.
Pretty crazy seeing just how many fighters are stationed on the east coast.
Are you serious about a joint attack on our Naval base at Norfolk VA. Russian and Chinese naval forces will just sail in the Atlantic Ocean towards the USA without detection. Really, our defense posture would meet them well away from our shores, with our nuclear subs, navy destroyers and massive air power. Russian ND Chinese forces would never have the opportunity to even fire their missiles, if some are released, our middle defense would shoot them down.
What about the usual sub or two the US has loitering off the east coast? Also coast guard ships would be available in a knock down drag out battle like this?
Subs do not really work properly in DCS, and wouldn't be of any real use for the server resources they would consume. Same with the Coast Guard ships.
Even if this was IRL the coast guard ships don't carry missile tubes AFAIK so would only be useful defending against landing craft, if they wouldn't already be smashed out by the fighters. Cannons would rip those unarmoured ships apart.
@@exidy-yt Still, subs would sink those carriers
@@cg9952 IRL, sure. But this is a game and can only simulate what is available to it. Subs just act like surface ships right now and all they can do is use their deck gun(s).
Talk about a fur ball! That was one cluttered display! Well done Cap!
You left out the US submarines patroling the east coast. A couple MK48's might just give Chinese and Russian carriers a bad day.
Bold of you to assume they won't have their own subs on that fleet
@@Mgaming61 the us has the best subs in the world good luck with that
@@Nr15121 let's not start a war on this comment section
@@Mgaming61 Not to mention that subs aren't working properly in DCS in the first place.
@@Mgaming61 how is spitting facts in a neutral tone starting a war lol
VFA-106 at NAS Oceana has over 60 FA-18 E/F by themselves
Bit disappointed when I realised you were talking about that other Norfolk, although I probably should have twigged earlier as the US navy doesn't really have much of a presence in east anglia.......
We'd give the commies some stick though.
12:59 the Harrier in DCS is the AV-8B Harrier II Night Attack, the most modern USMC Harrier variant is the AV-8B Harrier II Plus (also known as the Radar Harrier) with an APG-73 radar and AIM-120 AMRAAM capability.
Indeed rough equivalents to the old British GR7/9s and Sea Harrier II respectively.
@@LondonSteveLee the GR.7/9 was actually pretty advanced in spite of not having a radar. What we have in DCS is similar to it.
@@spinosarcadegaming4538 I still think the biggest mistake the British made was to have two types - which is what made it easy for the politicians to get rid of them prematurely. We should have put all the capabilities in one Harrier like the US.
Two versions meaning the Sea Harrier and the Harrier II? I believe the Sea Harriers all got replaced by Harrier IIs (GR.7/9) so at the end the RAF and RN both flew the GR.9 and any GR.7s that never got upgraded to GR.9.
Evening Cap, and the Reapers👍
Hi
@@grimreapers We're all doing wonderfully well.
In 1990 Aviation leak disclosed that small nuclear bombs around critical targets could launch enough dirt and sand to effectively deflect an incoming hypersonic ballistic warhead
I liked.. I subscribed.... and I would love to see more videos starring signore. Penguin,and the other competition GR crew!!
CH wish list-- P-59 Airacomet, Me262, YB-49, NF-16 Vista, F-18 HARV, RQ-4 Global Hawk, MQ-20 Avenger, MQ-25 Stingray, MQ-28 Ghost Bat, XQ-58A Valkyrie, X-47B, RQ-180, Avenger air defense system, C-Ram, Rheinmetall Skynex, IM-Shorad, DE M-Shorad, Hypersonic Blitzer Cannon, BLU-129 Bomb, B83 Bomb, AGM-129A, AGM-183 ARRW, SM-6 Block 1B, and Zumwalt with CPS Hypersonic Missiles!
CAP, do a mission where Singapore has to defend from a Malaysian attack! Cheers
Awesomesauce! I have been stationed at NOB Norfork since 1993. I am just wondering why you didn't put in the aircraft from NAS Norfork? I would think the F18s there along with Helos could be in flight pretty quickly. (Separate tarmacs) still cool to see though. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this.
Once again. Multithreading would have made this run so much better. I really hope someone is working on the GR mods to play nice with it.
Currently none of the GR missiles work with MT. Not sure how to solve.
@@grimreapers probably lots of work and q.e.d.
But since MT is so early in DCS, probably it is partially on their end
I must say, well done! I can only imagine how much work it was to set that up! Thanks for the video!
Great video GR! Now do the reverse with the USN Pacific Fleet attacking the Chinese coast. 😁
Thanks!
oh piece of candy
Thanks Kevin you rock!
Oh Comon....You Forgot at Least 4 Coast Guard Cutters Too :)
The first batch of 16 YJ21s got taken out with exactly 16 missiles from the arleigh burke, something not right there
The Americans aren't playing around anymore . Cannot wait to see about the Manuever missile they are working on.
im pretty certain the kinetic force of YJ21s would make them nearly unstoppable against a static target. They should be modelled so that anything short of a direct hit on them won't destroy the missile but disable its ability to track.
@@hughmungus2760 missiles are incredibly system dense and have absolutely zero survivability, even slight hits will inevitably hit part of the “control surface chain” or “guidance chain” and remove the missiles ability to strike its target, unless it is literally a point blank shoot down
the reason direct hit kill vehicles are used is actually because they just save weight and space, lethality isn’t a concern unless you are dealing with a very small selection of systems, but that isn’t an important design consideration
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 Sure, for a cruise missile or anything with large control surfaces, but for something that is essentially already a dart, disabling the missile in terminal might not be enough to stop the carcass of the missile just slamming into the target on a ballistic trajectory
Thats why all ABM systems primarily focus on midcourse interception rather than terminal, just because of how unreliable terminal interception tends to be.
I recall something about patriots struggling against Iraqi scuds because the warheads couldn't be reliably killed with fragmentation.
He changed their terminal velocity to mach 4 instead of mach 10. Irl YJ-21 doesn't need to slowdown since satellites, drones do the guidance. Worse case, one YJ-21 can slowdown to guide the rest of YJ-21 who still fly at mach 10
It would be most satisfying to see a wave of B-1s coming in behind the fighters with LRASMS...
before we watch why cant we nuke em with tridents????? i mean thats the russian solve of everything so why cant we fo the same
nuclear war bro
End of world!!!!!!!
@@-rp2pg why not its iminent if russia is involved
@@edvin_hook only weirdo’s believe that
@@-rp2pg thats why im a wierdo
28:39 William Shatner Raptor!
You’re killin me Cap!😂
First view - First comment !
You didn’t model Kuznetzov’s tug?
This was fascinating to watch! Would love to see a version where some of the hornets had anti ship loadouts for a counter strike. I would also love to see the (predictable but cinematic) simulation of an attempted mass troop landing on the east coast.
Pretty sure RUclips has guidelines against videos depicting graphic violence. Which is probably what the last scenario would entail.
When you zoom out of the base it actually looks like a ship with a bunch of guns sticking out of it. Never noticed that.
Looks a little crowded over Norfolk today, skies are busy!!
As someone who lives in the Hampton Roads area, I can’t wait to watch this.
No attack balloons?
"they don't look like the pilgrims" comment of the year award😂
As for the F-35s on the East Coast. There are A’s at Shaw AFB in South Carolina and Elgin in FL as well as some in Vermont. There are B’s at MCAS Beaufort in South Carolina. So a little far away for this simulation.
I haven't gotten into the match yet, but just wondering if you're simming the tugs that the Russian CV need to actually get it moved anywhere. Also, will it be on fire at the start? Or will it wait until it's been attacked?
I'm sitting here watching this setup, and I can't help but think that the 54 Raptors at Langley could probably take this entire Chinese/Russian attack force. Guess we'll see how it plays out though.
At 17:55 USN used 11 SAMs to intercept 16 YJ-21s?
Fun fact: same sonar buoys that heard the implosion of the Titanic sub are used to track movements of Russian subs in the Atlantic.
Awesome, something from where I live. That base is massive, you should see it in person. Always good views from the HRBT.
I spent four years there when I was aboard the Theodore Roosevelt. At first we spent a lot of time @ Newport News where it was built. I got aboard her just after she was commissioned and was doing workups and sea trials. But once all that was done it was back to Norfolk and the carrier berths. It is a HUGE base. I believe it is the largest naval base of any country in the world.
How dare you use that hateful acronym 😏
I live in Chesapeake (10 miles from Norfolk). Love this sim!!
Did they modeld Tzircon in the game ?? will be interesting
Not yet.
How many marine units still use the harrier, haven’t most converted to the F35-B already?
If F-35B was any good and was reliable the number WOULD be 100% by now, but it's not even half that. 10 years since the British received their first F-35B and we are STILL not operating them off carriers (a handful of limited sea trials aside) - they are obsolete already (avionics) due to the impossibly long and drawn-out development programme and are still full of bugs. The project is a disaster and I won't even mention the rather delicate engine that has thrust restrictions in peacetime. When you consider less than 4 years into service, squeaky new Harrier was thrust into a real war with incredible sortie rates in the harshest conditions possible and came out of it smelling of roses. Four years into its supposed service life how would F-35B have survived in the South Atlantic in a war situation? - You'd be down to 0 aircraft in a couple of days if you managed to get a single one off the deck in a raging South Atlantic storm without the constant salt water bath destroying something important!
@@LondonSteveLee ha ha ha wow - taking it you are not a lover of the type! We have only the A model in Australia and it seems to be performing quite well here. I fear your memory of the harriers perfection may be romanticised, it had its own suite of problems to begin with and cam from a completely different kind of conflict, none of the ships or aircraft from them would last too long on a modern conflict. And from what I understand many of your problems filling a carrier are due to the carrier. The F35s or all types are far from obsolete, they are still far more advanced than any other jet out there, they will one day be eclipsed but that’s to be expected, that’s how tech advances.
@@doemacmonkey The reliability and performance of Harrier in the Falklands was astonishing however you look at it - particularly as it was a fairly new plane. F-35A was the wrong plane for Australia - you should have gone for a conventional allrounder a true replacement for F.111, you have a lot of land mass to cover, for the cost of running F-35A you could have had twice as many Rafales and use the sub compo to cover some of the budget rather than burn the money. Forget purchase cost this is trivial compared to running costs/ reliability/availability - all of which are a problem with a variants of F-35. The issues surrounding F-35B and the QE carriers are NOT the carriers (after the initial deck warp issues that have been rectified) - the planes are hard to operate, the issues are around flight control software integration and operating off the carriers as we need to "roll land" to protect the weak engine and carry enough ordinance to be effective. The systems onboard the F-35 are antiquated - developed in the 90s - extremely difficult to modify and debug - the plane needs a total avionics refit.
I love how you went right by "Seymour Johnson" without a joke.... I can never resist because im a child!
Wouldn’t there be ships at sea defending the coast? Isn’t there usually a carrier group of the us east coast at any given time? And if yes then wouldn’t you take their ship-to-ship armament into consideration as well? I know the us navy’s main offensive power is its aircraft but the destroyers and cruisers still have ship-to-ship missiles that could be used against the attacking forces. I know one us carrier group couldnt take on all of the attacking carriers but still they’d do something right?
RedFor had a very, very, cunning plan and the Yanks have moved their carrier
Group to the South Atlantic. 😮😂😂😂🎉
Yes, and most ships in port would be crash sortied upon detection of the fleet days before they got within attack range.
Former US Navy vet here. Biggest complaint I have with the video is that no actively commissioned US navy ship is ever "inactive". It will ALWAYS have part of the crew onboard lead by the CDO (command duty officer) usually of department head level or better. This part of the crew is called the "duty section" and is made up of crew from ALL departments (Ops, Weaps, Eng, Nav, Deck, Supply, etc). The ships crew in "Home Port" may have as many as 6 sections (so 1/6 of the crew onboard at all times). Away from "Home Port" you are looking at either a port/starboard section (1/2 crew on board and 1/2 crew on liberty) or a 3 section (1/3 of the crew onboard). The main idea for this is that its the fleet recommended number to be able to get a ship underway AND fight if needed (think run from a storm/hurricane or in case of attack from from non-friendly forces). Even if the ship is tied to the pier, she can still fight in a limited SELF DEFENCE roll, up to and including CIWS and VLS launch for SAMs. Other than that, love your videos! if you have any questions that I am able to answer about the US Navy please feel free to ask.
No F-35s at MCAS Cherry Point, but they should start arriving this year to replace the last of the Harriers. There ARE F-35s at MCAS Beaufort (South Carolina), but that's a bit further south.
thx
And with that said, F-35s have been flying from MCAS Cherry Point the last two days. Heard them above the cloud cover this morning, but saw a couple of Harriers at about 2,000ft ... and amazingly saw an Israeli built Kfir at about 2,500-3,000 feet. The Kfir was US Military owned, and appeared to have also flew from Cherry Point. I live about 20 miles east of the air station, and have never seen a Kfir.
America actually pioneered hypersonic.
If you do revisit, will Dover AFB be included. Not sure all the air craft stationed there, but figured it’d be closer than Atlantic City.
You explained why the coastline isn't modeled, but I noticed the Norfolk Docks are tucked away and behind. How much defense does that provide against what you threw at it in this simulation?
That is actually how the coastline looks. I'm from Norfolk, born and raised. Other than nukes, nothing else could touch us.
@@brianb5543 So then, if the missiles got through the air defenses they would have just slammed into the seaward side of that peninsula? (Pause at 7:39). What is the elevation of this bit of land and what incoming angles would projectiles/missiles need to get over/around it?
@@spacemanduke3404 that “peninsula” is Virginia Beach and it is roughly 20-30 feet above sea level tops. The oceanfront does have high rise hotels though so they might eat some of the missiles.
5:33 China recently ordered another 55 J-15s. That brings the total to 105 J-15s.
Were they delivered yet?
@@sexyman12360 Nah, but Fujian hasn’t been delivered either.
Do you know how long it takes to build a sophisticated fighter aircraft from order onwards?
@@LondonSteveLee Don’t try to act too smart. For all intents and purposes, China may have declared the order, internationally, after they had already produced half of the stipulated order. They did the same thing with its Shandong Aircraft Carrier.
@@maitreytelang2312 Sure but they won't be 55 new jets flying around for years.
New space shuttle F16 variant! :)
According to Lockheed, F-35 is based in Maryland and Cherry Point. Are they not there?
Researcher must have got confused or out of date info.
Russian ships such as the Gorshkov and the Kirov can carry the 3M22 Zircon (operational as of 4 Jan. 2023) hypersonic missile, is there a plan to add the missile to the kirov? I ask because I selfishly want an HD model of the Kirov :)
Yes there is
I would take the “operational” status of the Zircon with an absolutely massive grain of salt
@Jonathan Pfeffer why? It was declared operational and is fitted on warships with the universal VLS cells. There probably isn't too many of them (not enough resources and only a couple months of time) but they do exist. It's also been kn development for years, since 2018 at least and probably more.
Either way it almost certainly exists, just in unknown quantity
Working on it.
A few VTOL F-35s are based out of New River MCAS / Camp Lejune Marine Base in Jacksonville NC where the LHD carriers usually load up
14:40 'they don't look like the pilgrims' 😂
Awesome fight, thanks! But where are 5ge antiship tomahawks from tico?
Would visibility have changed if the terrain was modeled?
Alternate ending. As a last ditch defense the Axis fleet detonates an EMP weapon that decimates the American Air Force on the east coast.. Grim Reapers must hunt down the fleeing Axis fleet with stealth bombers and no AWACS support.
And warbirds taken from all the surrounding museums:-)
Unaffected by the EMP blast, the warbirds have a brief window of time to spot the enemy ships so they can vector in the strike group of bombers heading east refueling over the desert.
*** The Tidewater, Hampton Roads area also has a Ghost Fleet in mothball. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_River,_Reserve_Fleet
and around 398.07 mi away (640.64 km), there Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Beaufort SC (Merritt Field) And all of the Florida bases
Once the missiles are launched at the US, the attacking ships would be sunk by the half dozen or so US attack submarines that would have been following them since the carriers entered the Atlantic.
You forgot that Chuck Norris only lives 1,452.9 miles from newport virginia, don't forget to model that into the simulation.
Why wouldn’t a group be assigned to take out the carriers and awake. I would think we have ground based defense that could take out the attack by itself.
How can I get access to the missions War Games 79 in SD? I joined the Discord but dont see anything.
MCAS Beaufort, about 100 miles south of McEntire and 390 miles from Norfolk, appears to have 28 F-35Bs stationed there.