Can you address times when droids have either surrendered, tried to surrender, or have attempted to avoid being killed? I’m thinking specifically of season 2 episode 2 of the clone wars, when Anakin and his team enter the bridge of a frigate and the droid says, “I’m not the commander! He’s the commander!”
@Joan Alegria Roig the last one is an indication that they they are fully aware but their limiters stop them from carrying out their lamenations. the droids in rebels are decades old with no proper maintaince and could have malfunctioning limiters or self-preservation protocols.
Unlike.... *Anakin comes in room* Droid: You said we be safe back here! Droid 2: Come on theres three of us and only one of him. Droid: It won't matter. *Anakin kills droids*
Geetsly's: *Talks about Heavy's death an how lines like 'Do we take prisoners?' are played for laughs* Me: *Is curled up in a corner sobbing over Heavy*
Me: "Gee I wonder how the final arc of The Clone Wars is gonna foreshadow Anakin's imminent turn to the dark side." Anakin: * Commits a war crime in literally his first moment on screen. *
@@NCC1371 I dunno, with all the legal red tape in the Republic, a case can easily be made that someone would view his actions as criminal. But I suppose the argument "they're droids" still works since droids aren't really considered sentient despite having sentience, much like clones were largely viewed as products by the Kaminoans.
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 the issue is not with the droids though. if you try and surrender you are no longer a combatant, it degrades the protections and mutual restraints developed in the interest of all parties, combatants and civilians. the very concept of surrendering is undermined by such actions, the Jedi (especially anakin and obi won do such perfidy and other examples multiple times in the clone wars). ofcaurse pretending to be a civilian and then trying to kill the enemy is technically a war crime (thus making resistance movements war criminals) as for rules of war, we are told that they exist but never what they entail.
General Kalani is one example of a really smart droid. He resisted and overrode the shutdown command that shut off the other Separatist droids, surviving until Star Wars: Rebels. And was self-aware enough to determine that the rebels weren't his enemy.
technically the shutdown 'command' was an order to the ships to shutdown their droids. we are told many CIS officers ignored the order aswell as a number of other CIS outposts. Kalani is just supposed to be an example of the latter. in one book a rebel X-wing pilot stubble into a large group of B1s who didn't shut down and convinces them to fight the storm troopers (which they annilate) that were chasing him. but that was legends.
@@TianoAnnunziata Still, I would highly doubt it is a war crime if the enemy caombatant is a droid. Real life laws of war are based on a fair fight, human rights and the reduction of unhuman behaviour. Even if you apply this to aliens, it does not apply to droids.
“Sentient droids are my least favorite to fight against. They can think more creatively, learn new things at alarming rates, and worst of all, they usually cry out when you shoot them.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
Honestly I think they should have kept the new republic around instead of the resistance and give it a military. Then we could have a sort of wide scale battle with the first order pulling a sort of operation bobarossa (I cant spell it) style operation pushing the new republic to a strong hold on coruscant and eventually the new republic would push the first order back into the unknown regions due to them expending all their resources.
@@LAV-III For a few years after TFA, I thought the Resistance WAS the NR's military, which made me wonder why they were called the Resistance and why they were so small. Either they didn't explain what the Resistance was well enough or I wasn't paying enough attention.
I think BT and 000 were some of the coolest examples of Droid sentience, their main limitations were that they had to follow orders, but they frequently found loopholes in their orders that allowed them tk do what they wanted to
Hmm, Anakin did Force Choke a few Spet. Leaders in private for information and put terror into their heart's to be quiet about it afterwards. By our standers: yes. By Jedi standers : yes, he was inducing Fear into others and that is the path to the Darkside. From Anakin's point of view : Just a normal Wednesday, no different than a Teusday.
@@krispalermo8133 well he choked Poggle who was committing a war crime by giving Jedi to the Queen for mind control, and he was gonna let a republic ship crash into a medical vessel, so I'm fine with that.
By our definitions yes, and so did obi-wan. Its called Perdify, better known as attacking under a white flag. Obi-wan does it in the first clone wars episode.
When you think about it, droids technically get the hardest out of all of the Star Wars universe. The fact they follow both orders and laws, followed by the fact anything outside their programming is a taboo, they can’t do much at all. They’re not unintelligent, just held back.
Anakins war crime brings up a good question Are there any rules of War in Star Wars such as the Geneva convention or the strategic arms limitation treaty
we are told that they have rules of war, and that some characters are tried for it in the war (by both sides), we are just never told what those rules are.
considering droids have tried surrendering in the past, I think Windu's surrender offer was a genuine one. He probably didn't think it would, but he at least tried
I’ve thought about this and I just want to make sure people know. And I also haven’t watched Star Wars:the clone wars, I’m pretty sure I’m correct in saying that falsely surrendering is a war crime on earth but it may not be in the Star Wars universe. That also just kinda makes sense, because how are you going to make it known that things are war crimes to every single planet in an enormous galaxy? It’s just a little thought that I have
@Ярослав Л and Anakin does it atleast twice in the series (maybe more, i am going of the top of my head), Obi won also does it in the movie made just before the series. a common jedi trick it seems.
If it's not a war of extermination (where the loser is genocided), then there will or ought to be rules to avoid atrocities and excessive bloodshed. Rules covering surrender, and forbidding abuse of same, would be part of that.
I think the best thing to do would've been to link each droid to every other droid in a given group(Armies, Legions, Battallions, Platoons, and/or strike forces) to function like localized hive minds. This would maximize their efficiency without having to decrease or increase their level of sentience.
Everyone is like “ohh Anakin is committing a war crime” he’s doing it to the CIS, who have no quarrels with using civilians as meat shields, yes it’s a war crime, but I’m pretty sure the Separatists have committed far more than the republic
You know what i really thought about when Mace said "I have dismantled over 100,000 of you type 1 battle droids." ? I thought "Dude. You haven't dismantled at least 400, 000? There are trillions. TRILLIONS OF BATTLE DROIDS!"
*B1 stands up before Mace* "where i fall 100 shall take my place, thousands for each of them... So strike me down! For i am the harbinger!" 3B3-1692119
I think the tactical droids were allowed more freedom than the battle droids as we see one steal Wat Tambor's shuttle to escape Ryloth and another shoot that king guy on Onderon. On a small level, being allowed to do stuff like this makes the droids more effective, but if the whole droid army could do it... There wouldn't be many living separatists left.
Leon Russell War crimes are made to punish those who have done evil in war. It is not stupid it is part of many laws placed down to keep wars not as deadly as they used to be.
Part of those personality quirks and the general droid ineffectiveness also came down to the CIS not having enough maintenance crew to service all of their droids so over time their systems would get bogged down with too much extra useless data slowing their systems down, coupled together with the Trade Federation being cheap when redesigning them to be locally controlled (instead of controlled by a central computer) giving them minimally capable droid control units while also requiring the battle droids to be capable of many unrelated related tasks such as crewing their ships, servicing starfighters, and various other jobs the CIS wouldn't employ living personnel to do.
On multiple occasions Anakin has pretended to surrender and then used it to win the battle. So Anakin is a war criminal and for multiple different occasions.
@Ярослав Л aswell as any organic officers/solders of the CIS (umbaran equivalents and neomoidians for example), who will not trust the republic to accept surrenders, if they are willing to falsely surrender they are willing to falsely offer surrender.
This isn't the first time Anakin has commit a war crime, Obi-Wan did it in the movie, Anakin did it in the first episode of the Ryloth Arc, Ashoka and Rex did it in the final episode, and that's just what I can name off the top of my head, I'm sure it happened several other time.
and thats just false surrender, the republic and Jedi are shown to attack civilians and children during the genocian arc and the battle of cato neomoidia, the comics and novels also reveal more republic war crimes. Georage Lucas said just before the series that the goal was to have a biased retelling, that they intended to show the republic doing bad things but not draw the same attention to it as the seps, to showthe bias of the main characters. (personally i think Filioni didn't do it enough, republic crimes that is)
In the clone wars movie this happened when Rex told the droids they were surrounded, the droids legit stop and start counting till they're blow to bits by obi wan, there were 2 clones left rex and another clone
It wasn't exclusive to Japan. In fact it was once not an uncommon tactic with even The Art of War considering it a legit tactic. Nowadays it's different, or it's supposed to be.
@@AdmiralBlackstar its fairly common in history, although owned apon as the legit response is to kill anyone who tries to surreneder. just like dressing as a civilian and then fighting is a war crime.
I remember there being an unused segment of KOTOR where hk 47 ends up instructing a repair droid to operate on him in order to remove some programming restrictions, pretty crafty tbh.
I rust rememvered the scene early in the show when yoda lifts a battle droid u know the big silver gray droids and the droids say (stop dont shoot im having a serious malfunction) thats so funny and cool to see
Other alternate classifications are like Dumb AI and Smart AI in the Halo universe, or Virtual Intelligence vs Artificial Intelligence in a couple of other universes. What really defines the two classes are the ability to learn and adapt, or being tied to an entirely pre-programmed set of reactions. In truth, ALL beings are restricted by programming, but that's a long discussion for another place and time. Lol
the best solution would have been to have a large organic officer corps while keeping a mostly similar level of limitations on the droids. put all real problem solving on highly skilled officers (with command droid 'advisors', to help calculate the strategy), B1s seem to be adaptable enough when they have orders and thus are the perfect foot soldiers.
One thing I never saw others acknowledge is that in The Clone Wars movie, Obi-Wan also used this tactic on Christophsis, while Anakin and Ahsoka were disabling the shield generators. And nobody cared about it then. I think it may not be a war crime in the SW universe, even if it was not widely used. Especially because after a few times, nobody would accept a surrender.
The only way it would make sense to leave a battle droid without limiters would be if they were dropped on planets with no way to leave, or a self destruct, once the planet was was won.
yes, but they had their own rules of war. as General grievous and others are specifically said to violate such rules (including Tarkin during the clone wars)
I think the best answer to the limitations presented by having a droid army is to not have a droid army in the first place. At least not entirely. The Republic Commando games (in the Kashyyyk missions) presented the Confederate army as not only having droids, but also geonosian warriors and trandosian slavers and mercenaries. The army was much more diverse and effective. They still had their mass-produced B1s and B2s, but they also had fully sentient and adaptable humanoids in the ranks.
the duality of knowing that Anakin committed a war crime but also that its in a galaxy far far away and the Geneva Convention technically doesn't apply.
So I will say, the scene of Mace Windu asking droids to stand down is one of my favorites for so many reasons, if we assume he does this often. 1. It shows how great of a Jedi he is. Jedi value *all* life, and that includes droids. He is offering a chance to surrender where many Jedi, our main cast included, seem to view droids as a guilt free source of murder 2. It highlights one of the reasons clones were willing to execute Order 66 in legends, Jedi are not good commanders. They are compassionate to a fault and rarely think tactically. 3. It reminds us that the Jedi by this point have body counts individually that could put entire nations to shame in some wars. They are no long "keepers of the peace" they are soliders. Overall great scene 10/10 someone should've taken a pot shot at Windu tho
2:53 To be fair, there are no Geneva Conventions in _Star Wars_ because it takes place in a galaxy far away… in a different universe where the laws of physics are different so that light moves bizarrely slow, allowing people to avoid laser blasts. 😒
Fake surrender. Actually the second time he's done that off the top of my head. Obi-Wan did it as well. Also the child-soldier he trained and the slave-army he commanded would also be considered war crimes. I think they also refused to take droids prisoners on the rare occasion they surrendered.
I see a lot of people in the Comments saying "There is no Geneva Convention so there can't be warcrimes.", this is wrong on several points: First: there is a counterpart to the Geneva Convention in Star Wars, the Yavin Code. Second: Almost any warfaring civilization ever had things you are not allowed to do while at war, be it framed as war crimes or dishonorable conduct unbecoming a noble officer. The geneva convention didn't create the concept of warcrimes it just mostly codified the standart rules of war of its time. To think that a thousands of years old galaxy spanning civilization wouldn't have laws of war is kinda nonsense. Third: The prohibition of false surrender in particular is one that is almost guaranteed to exist because it is just plain common sense. If your opponent is aware of you faking a surrender before what incentive does he have to let you surrender? Sudddenly you have a situation where everyone just slaughters any surrendering army because it could be a trap. Becuase of this it is also completely irrelevant if the enemy is made up of droids because the rule exists to protect your own soldiers not the enemey. Edit: Spelling and Addition
The comparison to slavery is entirely wrong because slavery is a crime in our time becuase we (at least I and I would wager you too) find it morally abhorrent. Morals differ from society to society so a society that just doesn't think slavery is wrong is perfectly logical. Morals are not the reason why most war crimes are war crimes. Most of the time they are war crimes for purely practical purpose. You don't do them because you don't want your enemy to do them to you ( for example protections of POWs). The False Surrender one speciffically is a war crime because not having it turns every war into a total war. If you can never be sure that your enemy is sincere in wanting to surrender e will never be able to accept a surrender and will always be forced to completely destory any opposing army, which seperate from any moral objections is just a giant waste of resources.
I’m continually sad that no one ever talks about the best line from a battle droid in all of Star Wars “the worst job in the droid army... *sees jedi* and it just went into overtime” 😂
What Anakin did may or may not be considered a war crime, even by our standards. While there was intent to deceive, the tactical droid did order his troops to fire on Anakin before Anakin did any hostile action. By that point, it could be considered that terms of surrender were rejected by the tactical droid, thus allowing Anakin to act with aggression due to the tactical droid ordering that he be attacked.
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I'd go the Geth route, make it so the more units on the field increases the general intelligence of the army.
Wait if droids are sentient the clone wars is just 2 corrupt governments throwing slave armys at each other
shhh
Robots aren’t alive so nah. Lol
That's basically it
It's more like one guy pushing 2 slave armies together, ya know The Senate
Yes.
Can you address times when droids have either surrendered, tried to surrender, or have attempted to avoid being killed? I’m thinking specifically of season 2 episode 2 of the clone wars, when Anakin and his team enter the bridge of a frigate and the droid says, “I’m not the commander! He’s the commander!”
thebloodykansan ah yes,war crimes
The droid commander wanted to surrender on ryloth
@Joan Alegria Roig the last one is an indication that they they are fully aware but their limiters stop them from carrying out their lamenations. the droids in rebels are decades old with no proper maintaince and could have malfunctioning limiters or self-preservation protocols.
Unlike....
*Anakin comes in room*
Droid: You said we be safe back here!
Droid 2: Come on theres three of us and only one of him.
Droid: It won't matter.
*Anakin kills droids*
Maybe it could be because they haven’t had their memory wipes so they could possibly get personalities of their own?
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Windu: shows how how many droids he killed
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How to win a war committed war Crimes - Anakin Skywalker
Me: "Gee I wonder how the final arc of The Clone Wars is gonna foreshadow Anakin's imminent turn to the dark side."
Anakin: * Commits a war crime in literally his first moment on screen. *
Except it isn’t a war crime. Robots don’t count and the Geneva conventions don’t apply to the Star Wars universe.
Suing for Intelligence who says it?
@@NCC1371
I dunno, with all the legal red tape in the Republic, a case can easily be made that someone would view his actions as criminal. But I suppose the argument "they're droids" still works since droids aren't really considered sentient despite having sentience, much like clones were largely viewed as products by the Kaminoans.
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 the issue is not with the droids though. if you try and surrender you are no longer a combatant, it degrades the protections and mutual restraints developed in the interest of all parties, combatants and civilians.
the very concept of surrendering is undermined by such actions, the Jedi (especially anakin and obi won do such perfidy and other examples multiple times in the clone wars). ofcaurse pretending to be a civilian and then trying to kill the enemy is technically a war crime (thus making resistance movements war criminals)
as for rules of war, we are told that they exist but never what they entail.
He’s done it before in season 1 in fact during the episode storm over ryloth I believe
General Kalani is one example of a really smart droid. He resisted and overrode the shutdown command that shut off the other Separatist droids, surviving until Star Wars: Rebels. And was self-aware enough to determine that the rebels weren't his enemy.
technically the shutdown 'command' was an order to the ships to shutdown their droids. we are told many CIS officers ignored the order aswell as a number of other CIS outposts. Kalani is just supposed to be an example of the latter.
in one book a rebel X-wing pilot stubble into a large group of B1s who didn't shut down and convinces them to fight the storm troopers (which they annilate) that were chasing him. but that was legends.
Sentient droids. Nice! Love em
B-1s were just the funniest things
Reece Nutter yes
Personally, as a sentient droid, I hate it when the Jedi ignore the Geneva Convention. And they call themselves the good guys.
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Does Star Wars have any form of Geneva Convention?
Ah yes, I love the smell of war crimes in the morning.
Dar-Nak Kallig Obi-Wan mentioned the Yavin Code in deleted episodes
@@TianoAnnunziata Still, I would highly doubt it is a war crime if the enemy caombatant is a droid. Real life laws of war are based on a fair fight, human rights and the reduction of unhuman behaviour. Even if you apply this to aliens, it does not apply to droids.
When stupidity circles back around to intelligence.
Reminds me of when I was eight.
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*That fucking hit hard*
Anakin Skywalker being hanged for warcrimes in the final days of the Clone Wars (circa 1949)
“Sentient droids are my least favorite to fight against. They can think more creatively, learn new things at alarming rates, and worst of all, they usually cry out when you shoot them.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
Cringe
Mace Windu No Based
Impossible! The probability of that is 10,003 to 1.
Damn if mace windu calls you out you really gotta rethink your life
@@addictedgamer4893 When you stop to think how HarD Mace Windu got PlayeD by Palpatine for 13 years. Windu really does not have any room to talk.
"We've invented strong AI."
"Congratulations. You've reintroduced slavery. Feeling proud?"
I *loved* wen Mace Windu offers to reprogram them 😂
Finn, Poe Cameron and The Resistance should've used the Battle Droid Army against the First Order.
That would’ve been cool
@@geetslys and the Clone Commandos instead of an entire Clone army because those clones are so expensive.
Honestly I think they should have kept the new republic around instead of the resistance and give it a military. Then we could have a sort of wide scale battle with the first order pulling a sort of operation bobarossa (I cant spell it) style operation pushing the new republic to a strong hold on coruscant and eventually the new republic would push the first order back into the unknown regions due to them expending all their resources.
@@LAV-III For a few years after TFA, I thought the Resistance WAS the NR's military, which made me wonder why they were called the Resistance and why they were so small. Either they didn't explain what the Resistance was well enough or I wasn't paying enough attention.
@@nameynamename3758 We all know that a whole clone army is expensive. They're going have to use Clone Commandos
I think BT and 000 were some of the coolest examples of Droid sentience, their main limitations were that they had to follow orders, but they frequently found loopholes in their orders that allowed them tk do what they wanted to
I'm just wondering, since this is star wars, did Anakin really commit a war crime?
Hmm, Anakin did Force Choke a few Spet. Leaders in private for information and put terror into their heart's to be quiet about it afterwards.
By our standers: yes.
By Jedi standers : yes, he was inducing Fear into others and that is the path to the Darkside.
From Anakin's point of view : Just a normal Wednesday, no different than a Teusday.
@@krispalermo8133 well he choked Poggle who was committing a war crime by giving Jedi to the Queen for mind control, and he was gonna let a republic ship crash into a medical vessel, so I'm fine with that.
Depends if war crimes exist in Star Wars. If they do (and are the similar to ours) then yes
By our definitions yes, and so did obi-wan. Its called Perdify, better known as attacking under a white flag. Obi-wan does it in the first clone wars episode.
I would definitely say no
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When you think about it, droids technically get the hardest out of all of the Star Wars universe. The fact they follow both orders and laws, followed by the fact anything outside their programming is a taboo, they can’t do much at all. They’re not unintelligent, just held back.
It said 47 seconds ago and I was so happy like “yay I’m early!”
But no RUclips lied it’s been a whole hour
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Anakins war crime brings up a good question
Are there any rules of War in Star Wars such as the Geneva convention or the strategic arms limitation treaty
we are told that they have rules of war, and that some characters are tried for it in the war (by both sides), we are just never told what those rules are.
considering droids have tried surrendering in the past, I think Windu's surrender offer was a genuine one. He probably didn't think it would, but he at least tried
I’ve thought about this and I just want to make sure people know. And I also haven’t watched Star Wars:the clone wars, I’m pretty sure I’m correct in saying that falsely surrendering is a war crime on earth but it may not be in the Star Wars universe. That also just kinda makes sense, because how are you going to make it known that things are war crimes to every single planet in an enormous galaxy? It’s just a little thought that I have
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I think it just shows how little anyone cared for the droids.
it's not a warcrime because he only does it when they refuse his surrender
@Ярослав Л and Anakin does it atleast twice in the series (maybe more, i am going of the top of my head), Obi won also does it in the movie made just before the series. a common jedi trick it seems.
@Ярослав Л it's not a false surrender it's just he knows they won't accept it so he has a backup
Can you call them war crimes? Geneva is, to paraphrase the opening lines, "a long time ahead in a galaxy far, far away
And they're machines, so the rules don't apply
If it's not a war of extermination (where the loser is genocided), then there will or ought to be rules to avoid atrocities and excessive bloodshed. Rules covering surrender, and forbidding abuse of same, would be part of that.
In a deleted episode obi wan brings up some kind of convention. I don't recall the name anymore but he did
1:13 those droids probably should have taken that chance to surrender... Mace Windu and Obi Wan has the High Ground
Damn it I was gonna do a fake surrender at home but now I can't
I think the best thing to do would've been to link each droid to every other droid in a given group(Armies, Legions, Battallions, Platoons, and/or strike forces) to function like localized hive minds. This would maximize their efficiency without having to decrease or increase their level of sentience.
Everyone is like “ohh Anakin is committing a war crime” he’s doing it to the CIS, who have no quarrels with using civilians as meat shields, yes it’s a war crime, but I’m pretty sure the Separatists have committed far more than the republic
A crime is a crime
Max Powers uhhhh well yeah, I already admitted that
Weighing one crime against the other isnt going to hold up in court. Crime is crime
No geneva, no crimes.
Serge 1944 also that
You know what i really thought about when Mace said "I have dismantled over 100,000 of you type 1 battle droids." ? I thought "Dude. You haven't dismantled at least 400, 000? There are trillions. TRILLIONS OF BATTLE DROIDS!"
*B1 stands up before Mace*
"where i fall 100 shall take my place, thousands for each of them... So strike me down! For i am the harbinger!" 3B3-1692119
It said no views so I thought it would be the first but no RUclips lied to me
Lies. Deception.
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RUclips has lied too many times this means war views arm yourself’s it’s time for war!
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I think the tactical droids were allowed more freedom than the battle droids as we see one steal Wat Tambor's shuttle to escape Ryloth and another shoot that king guy on Onderon. On a small level, being allowed to do stuff like this makes the droids more effective, but if the whole droid army could do it... There wouldn't be many living separatists left.
B1 battle droids were all sentient and independent thinkers!
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Bruh the Jedi have commuted so many false surrenders. They are actually war criminals.
Leon Russell War crimes are made to punish those who have done evil in war. It is not stupid it is part of many laws placed down to keep wars not as deadly as they used to be.
We dont know what the star wars galaxy considered a war crimes
Heck, even Clones have actually exploited that as well.
_"We have you outnumbered!"_
_"Wait a minute. One, two-"_
Instead of just shooting 'em.
Part of those personality quirks and the general droid ineffectiveness also came down to the CIS not having enough maintenance crew to service all of their droids so over time their systems would get bogged down with too much extra useless data slowing their systems down, coupled together with the Trade Federation being cheap when redesigning them to be locally controlled (instead of controlled by a central computer) giving them minimally capable droid control units while also requiring the battle droids to be capable of many unrelated related tasks such as crewing their ships, servicing starfighters, and various other jobs the CIS wouldn't employ living personnel to do.
GFFA: "There Aint No Need for No Geneva Conventions Where We're Going."
On multiple occasions Anakin has pretended to surrender and then used it to win the battle. So Anakin is a war criminal and for multiple different occasions.
Obi-Wan too in the Clone Wars movie. I think Anakin got it from Obi-Wan.
@@dinobotful It's so bad that it keeps working
Service droids are always so nice. Like they’re thanking people for creating them
Would love a story where someone tries to undo droid sentience on a galactic scale, could be like the Great Robot War that Bender always wanted.
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"A surprise to be sure,but a welcome one"
"War crimes" against artificial intelligence are not war crimes. The Geneva Convention was created to protect human beings, not robots.
@Ярослав Л aswell as any organic officers/solders of the CIS (umbaran equivalents and neomoidians for example), who will not trust the republic to accept surrenders, if they are willing to falsely surrender they are willing to falsely offer surrender.
@Ярослав Л Exactly!
1:21 He committed the same war crime at the Battle of Ryloth! Remember? He destroyed a Lucrehulk with his Venator?
This isn't the first time Anakin has commit a war crime, Obi-Wan did it in the movie, Anakin did it in the first episode of the Ryloth Arc, Ashoka and Rex did it in the final episode, and that's just what I can name off the top of my head, I'm sure it happened several other time.
and thats just false surrender, the republic and Jedi are shown to attack civilians and children during the genocian arc and the battle of cato neomoidia, the comics and novels also reveal more republic war crimes.
Georage Lucas said just before the series that the goal was to have a biased retelling, that they intended to show the republic doing bad things but not draw the same attention to it as the seps, to showthe bias of the main characters. (personally i think Filioni didn't do it enough, republic crimes that is)
The last droid of wreckers rampage in episode 4 season 7 shivered and showed actual fear.
In the clone wars movie this happened when Rex told the droids they were surrounded, the droids legit stop and start counting till they're blow to bits by obi wan, there were 2 clones left rex and another clone
Well there was no Geneva convention in Star Wars
They had "Yavin Code" that involved humanitary executions more could be pulled from that
Droids: No, you can't do that! You just committed a war crime!
Anakin: Haha jet troopers go brrrr
Yavin convention 😂
I love the intro
Thanks!
Geetsly's good OG battlefront vibes
“That second one is actually a war crime” thanks for the suggestion I’ll try it some time
Imagine if they droids had a seat in the republic Senate like how the corporate factions get seats.
Palpatine: "the armies of the clone wars progress as i please."
There is no geneva convention yet, after all it's all played out "a long time ago" :D
Mace was flexing and I laughed so hard it was pretty funny
It’s honestly a Japanese move to pretend you are surrendering but then go jk we just wanted to draw your guys
It wasn't exclusive to Japan. In fact it was once not an uncommon tactic with even The Art of War considering it a legit tactic. Nowadays it's different, or it's supposed to be.
@@AdmiralBlackstar its fairly common in history, although owned apon as the legit response is to kill anyone who tries to surreneder.
just like dressing as a civilian and then fighting is a war crime.
I remember there being an unused segment of KOTOR where hk 47 ends up instructing a repair droid to operate on him in order to remove some programming restrictions, pretty crafty tbh.
I rust rememvered the scene early in the show when yoda lifts a battle droid u know the big silver gray droids and the droids say (stop dont shoot im having a serious malfunction) thats so funny and cool to see
Pretending to surrender is a war crime. Anakin gets electric chair. Palpatine 😮
"We all know battle droids are stupid"
Me looking at myself: Roger roger?
Oh man, i Love the Intro.
A Instant flash back to the original Battel Front👍
I wonder if there are some battle droids that broke out of their restrictive programming
Probably a fair amount (given how massive the army was), either through their programming software becoming corrupted or malfunctioning.
There are plenty from what I remember in the comics.
Other alternate classifications are like Dumb AI and Smart AI in the Halo universe, or Virtual Intelligence vs Artificial Intelligence in a couple of other universes. What really defines the two classes are the ability to learn and adapt, or being tied to an entirely pre-programmed set of reactions.
In truth, ALL beings are restricted by programming, but that's a long discussion for another place and time. Lol
The Geneva conventions werent enacted by the time of the clone wars and anakins plan was one of the most widely used siege tactics in history
Don’t try it at home 1:22 😂
A good demonstration for droid programming is 3CPO in the 9th movie, he wants to help but can’t due to programming restrictions
the best solution would have been to have a large organic officer corps while keeping a mostly similar level of limitations on the droids. put all real problem solving on highly skilled officers (with command droid 'advisors', to help calculate the strategy), B1s seem to be adaptable enough when they have orders and thus are the perfect foot soldiers.
Now this makes me feel sorry for that one SBD that was force picked up by Yoda and forced, pun intended, to shoot its comrades.
One thing I never saw others acknowledge is that in The Clone Wars movie, Obi-Wan also used this tactic on Christophsis, while Anakin and Ahsoka were disabling the shield generators. And nobody cared about it then. I think it may not be a war crime in the SW universe, even if it was not widely used. Especially because after a few times, nobody would accept a surrender.
The only way it would make sense to leave a battle droid without limiters would be if they were dropped on planets with no way to leave, or a self destruct, once the planet was was won.
2:54 can't be found in violation of the Geneva conventions if they don't exist yet,
"A long time ago in a galaxy far far away" remember?
yes, but they had their own rules of war. as General grievous and others are specifically said to violate such rules (including Tarkin during the clone wars)
I think the best answer to the limitations presented by having a droid army is to not have a droid army in the first place. At least not entirely.
The Republic Commando games (in the Kashyyyk missions) presented the Confederate army as not only having droids, but also geonosian warriors and trandosian slavers and mercenaries. The army was much more diverse and effective. They still had their mass-produced B1s and B2s, but they also had fully sentient and adaptable humanoids in the ranks.
I'm pretty sure the Geneva Conventions would have no bearing on conflict occurring a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
On the part about war crimes we don't know what they consider a war crime
Hehehe The GAR committing war crimes! (Clone Wars Movie and Season 7) Gotta love them quirky Jedi am I right.
perhaps those neumodians are actually putting its in better uses for once, I'm mean it's not allot but it's better than nothing.
Love that Battlefront zoom
We need a full video on jedi war crimes against droids. The amount of false surrenders and executing prisoners would put Japan to shame
the duality of knowing that Anakin committed a war crime but also that its in a galaxy far far away and the Geneva Convention technically doesn't apply.
The Geneva convention never existed in Star Wars. Luckily.
The commander droid should have know that Anakin has done pretending to surrender before.
You forgot obi wans bit from the clone wars movie just letting you know still a great video
Why am I reminded of when Obi Wan falsely surrendered.
So I will say, the scene of Mace Windu asking droids to stand down is one of my favorites for so many reasons, if we assume he does this often.
1. It shows how great of a Jedi he is. Jedi value *all* life, and that includes droids. He is offering a chance to surrender where many Jedi, our main cast included, seem to view droids as a guilt free source of murder
2. It highlights one of the reasons clones were willing to execute Order 66 in legends, Jedi are not good commanders. They are compassionate to a fault and rarely think tactically.
3. It reminds us that the Jedi by this point have body counts individually that could put entire nations to shame in some wars. They are no long "keepers of the peace" they are soliders.
Overall great scene 10/10 someone should've taken a pot shot at Windu tho
2:53 To be fair, there are no Geneva Conventions in _Star Wars_ because it takes place in a galaxy far away… in a different universe where the laws of physics are different so that light moves bizarrely slow, allowing people to avoid laser blasts. 😒
Reminds me of that time in the Clone wars movie when Rex tells the droids they're outnumbered
Geneva convention dont exist for them, switzerland isnt known universe wide
We all know the most helpful here is the Senate. Period.
Wait, what exactly was the war crime committed by Anakin?
Faking a surrender to gain the advantage over the enemy. That is a textbook war crime.
Thanks, just wanted to know, also, don’t think it would apply considering their droids, and their in another Galaxy, but that’s besides the point.
Theodoremodelmaking There’s the existence of the Yavin Code. Implying there are some form rules of engagement within Star Wars.
Fake surrender. Actually the second time he's done that off the top of my head. Obi-Wan did it as well. Also the child-soldier he trained and the slave-army he commanded would also be considered war crimes. I think they also refused to take droids prisoners on the rare occasion they surrendered.
He killed children. A lot of children :)
I see a lot of people in the Comments saying "There is no Geneva Convention so there can't be warcrimes.", this is wrong on several points:
First: there is a counterpart to the Geneva Convention in Star Wars, the Yavin Code.
Second: Almost any warfaring civilization ever had things you are not allowed to do while at war, be it framed as war crimes or dishonorable conduct unbecoming a noble officer. The geneva convention didn't create the concept of warcrimes it just mostly codified the standart rules of war of its time. To think that a thousands of years old galaxy spanning civilization wouldn't have laws of war is kinda nonsense.
Third: The prohibition of false surrender in particular is one that is almost guaranteed to exist because it is just plain common sense. If your opponent is aware of you faking a surrender before what incentive does he have to let you surrender? Sudddenly you have a situation where everyone just slaughters any surrendering army because it could be a trap. Becuase of this it is also completely irrelevant if the enemy is made up of droids because the rule exists to protect your own soldiers not the enemey.
Edit: Spelling and Addition
It is a war crime on Earth and is not a confirmed as a war crime in the Star Wars universe (from what I can find).
If it's wrong here, it's wrong everywhere.
In some systems in star wars slavery is allowed. It wrong here but not everywhere in the star wars universe
@@markgill4141 no, non-consensual slavery is still wrong. Also resulted in Darth Vader. Case closed
ChakatBlackstar it’s wrong, but still legal.
The comparison to slavery is entirely wrong because slavery is a crime in our time becuase we (at least I and I would wager you too) find it morally abhorrent. Morals differ from society to society so a society that just doesn't think slavery is wrong is perfectly logical. Morals are not the reason why most war crimes are war crimes. Most of the time they are war crimes for purely practical purpose. You don't do them because you don't want your enemy to do them to you ( for example protections of POWs). The False Surrender one speciffically is a war crime because not having it turns every war into a total war. If you can never be sure that your enemy is sincere in wanting to surrender e will never be able to accept a surrender and will always be forced to completely destory any opposing army, which seperate from any moral objections is just a giant waste of resources.
This happened a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away from the Geneva Convention
Anakin learned that tatic from obi wan
I’m continually sad that no one ever talks about the best line from a battle droid in all of Star Wars “the worst job in the droid army... *sees jedi* and it just went into overtime” 😂
Anakin:Geneva Convention, more like Geneva Suggestion
What Anakin did may or may not be considered a war crime, even by our standards. While there was intent to deceive, the tactical droid did order his troops to fire on Anakin before Anakin did any hostile action. By that point, it could be considered that terms of surrender were rejected by the tactical droid, thus allowing Anakin to act with aggression due to the tactical droid ordering that he be attacked.
I can't believe Anakin would commit a war crime.....
Lmao
Droids:
Jedi: It’s free *War Crimes*