Why Separatist Admirals Had a MUCH Easier Job Than Republic Ones
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discord.gg/geetslys - Discuss there who is better: Yularen or Trench?
trench easy hands down
I would like to see them in a cage match, with lightsaber chainsaws
Both
@Joe Curr we just need george lucas back and we'll be good
Joe Curr your stupid
Separatist admirals don’t have to worry for casualties. While the republic casualties are permanent.
Thanks for saveing me 10 minutes
@@purplehawk2271 Imagine this Venator at Ryoth.The one that literaly got blasted in the background.If it was well crewed and well led,it could have broken this blockade by itself.But NO - JEDI IS SMARTS THAN ADMIRAL,JEDI LOSES?FAULT OF CLONE!FAULT OF ALL BUT JEDI!JADI SAD :(.
We hurt the republic pocket
@@tristanwatson2476 Clones cost more and take time to grow,train,feed.
Droids are cheap,born with the knowlage they need.
Clones need expensive equipment,special equipment and have to be relocatred off front for Medical care.
Droids need a blaster and some ammo,just need code modifications and are easy to repair when damaged.
@@liker-qd4fz A citizen of the empire, I see.
It is interesting how the Jedi played right into the hands of Palpatine by accepting the role of generals.
I know right? They were esentialy over time become uper class enforcer hounds. You'd think some of them in THE COUNCIL would question if going to war was treason to their ideals and if they are competant to be generals. You need to study strategies, where to use them, know why they were effective and to be a flexible thinker. Something that demads a few years of study to not be a pushover.
@@jekabsojarsulskis9740 they knew tactics. Jedi tactics used in the last war against the sith, to bad that the clones were neither force sensitive or had an light saber. And the jedi focused on the strength of each individuale but the clones were trained as a collective. It's pretty much like the imjin war (japan vs korea) The Koreans had such a bad military system that they used cavalary (horse army) for the navy
@@jekabsojarsulskis9740 I meannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn have you seen the council? All of them are morons we saw that often enough in clone wars even obi wan made nothing but bad decision, the best being yoda and the worst windu😂
Mace Windu admitted as much to Palpatine in Episode II: "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."
Republic Admiral: oh no John died we were like brothers. :( my god a whole ship exploded, those poor souls.
CIS admirals: *screeches in infinite robots*
Hehe, Bactoid Factory go brrrrrr
Time to abandon ship
Also CIS Admirals: Oh no we lost a frigate...anyway.
Ironic that Tarkin goes on to enforce a doctrine that in the long run ends up gimping the imperial navy against the rebellion.
karma is a bitch...
He got cocky
Han tried to warn him
Thankfully he’s more competent in Canon
To be fair, his doctrine did work with Starkiller base, in ep 8&9 the new republic and all the non-first order systems were too afraid to help the resistance. It's just too bad he had to choose Alderaan, that move was very uncalled for and a little treasonous with how much it was basically like shooting the empire in the foot.
Two words for the CIS Navy “cheap labor”. One thing that has to be taken to account was how fast a ship could be made, how it was made, or who made it. The Droids weren’t just dirt poor labor, they were made to be both the manpower and labor force to the Confederacy, and make no mistake if it weren’t for Darth Sidious manipulation the Republic Navy would been brought down by cheer numbers. A Venator Star Destroyers were great for being a carriers, but they made to being carriers and not battleships, so they cannot stay in a slugging feast. The Confederacy would’ve won by being in the offensive and pushing hard against the Republic and just break their morale.
The Republic wouldn't have had a navy without Sidious, so I am not sure where these, 'cheer numbers' would have come from. Plus, if it weren't for Sidious the republic would not have had any will to fight and just let the CIS leave which would have been the legal thing. Without Sidious, there would not be the Clone Wars.
@@TheAwsomeman888 nope, no goverment, specially no corrupt and ethnocentric one, will let like 30% of their territory just leave like that. There would still be clone wars, but they would last less than a year.
Imagine a Confederacy not corrupted by corporate powers and the influence of the sith; It'd be like if the Alliance had a Droid army.
@@RinoGato good droids are expensive, but even then, if Sidious wasnt manipulating the war, the CIS probably would of won unless the republic went full war economy and used their vastly superior industry to heavily outproduce the CIS
@@itsjonny1744 that's what happened in the outer rim sieges, after 21 (the deregulation bill) bby the republic went full industrial power towards the conflict that started the outer rim sieges
Hello I have watched your channel for years and love your videos, keep up the great work!
Ya I still think that most jedi should have been considered special forces group because of their lack of military experience but high combat abilities and only made officers when they proved the had the ability to lead military campaigns. Though without good ol Palpatine I still think the CIS would curb stomp the Republic flat in 2-3 years due to the shear numbers advantage and their ability to easily and quickly replace most ground troops compared to the Republic. Good video by the way keep it up
I agree
That sounds ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE
The CIS could have won if they pressed fully in the first year. But even with the industry that they had the Republic still had much more and most of it was safe in the core. Without Palpatine stringing things along to make the war as horrible as possible on the public, the Republic would have been able to get their industrial output geared up much faster. That means if they survived the first year they would outproduce the CIS and they would have pushed them back and eventually won even if they took a lot of damage. The war started earlier than it was meant to anyways neither side was ready for it.
@@adventwolfbane yes the Republic had far more industry but now real military besides the clones and those are far harder to replace than droids. You also have to keep in mind that the burden of conquest is on the Republic not the CIS which means all the CIS has to do is survive not conquer kinda like Vietnamese did in their war of independence. So while yes industry is a big factor in modern and futuristic warfare it isn't by any means the sole factor.
@@adventwolfbane I dont know, its so so much easier for the CiS to mass produce than the Republic, because the cis can mass produce EVERYTHING, including their soldiers and the republic cant. They will run out of men and almost no-one in the republic actually wanted to enlist in the war because war almost never took place in the core until way later on. It was just a battle taking place far away from them and the civilians didnt worry too much about it until Grievous came and bust down their front door. Even if the Republic could outmanufacture the CiS, which they probably could if they got over political drama, they wouldnt have had near enough people to man those ships and vehicles and they almost exclusively used organic soldiers anyways because the war was giving off a bad stigma for droids. The CiS was designed for a war and the after the Ruusan Reformation, the Republic was not
Don't forget Grievous also performed the Herculean task of combined arms of the CIS assets and streamlining logistics.
The only thing good about Jedi in charge of the Republic Navy is the hope of getting someone who can do Battle Meditation such as Oppo Ransisis. And I bet some wished for the times of the Old Republic when it was more common (with some Jedi being able to do it as Knights or even from Day One... usually only ones who became Grandmasters).
Another advantage of Jedi in charge is there more willing to help the actual people being subjugated by the Separatist forces and thus seeing this good and noble nature, as opposed to full-on war tactics of mass destruction, inspire people like on Ryloth to ally with them, or for systems netural or defecting like Ondaron and Ahsoka's people the Tiggruas to join the Republic. To quote Lux Bontari, "After seeing the bravery and nobility of the Jedi, it seems like the Republic is the side to be on."
So with Jedi in charge you have a higher chance of gaining more help and support and given the CIS had such a huge numbers advantage that's a very good thing.
@@zexalbrony4799 and yet they were willing to ignore the outer rim long enough for them to want to leave the republic in the first place. (also noble warriors =/= good government), i doubt those staying due to Jedi nobility were that common, especially when you have hundreds (and sometimes thousands) of systems leaving the republic, or wanting to leave.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Well, it's not entirely the Jedi's fault, the Republic as a whole is also to blame, as they lacked the resources and manpower to help their entire galaxy. that was actually one of the reasons many wanted an army in the Republic, even long before the Clone Wars was about to break out. They pointed out that while both the Jedi and Judicial forces were good they couldn't be everywhere and with how big the galaxy their limited numbers made it impossible.
Ironically, despite gaining an army with the Clones, they were now so busy fighting the war that criminals, pirates, and slavers had even more free reign then they did before the war started.
Wait wait wait, you’re saying the Venator wasn’t the best ship of the clone wars?
*HERESY*
This is a certified Republic Venator Class Star Destroyer
Think about a Carrier strike Group Strategy much like here on Earth Several ISD 1s and ISD 2s attacking enemy warships While Aquitens Provided with Electronic warfare support and several Raider Class Corvets Screening enemy Starfigters all the while Escorting 2 Venator Class Starfighter carriers
It certainly looked the coolest, but let's face it, even on 3 on 3 fleet battles they lost more often than not
**** Venators, yall can keep yo pizza wedges. They do not specialize as a carrier or battleship and do both jobs inefficently. They have overexposed double bridges IN BETWEEN their main guns, which are at the back for some reason: and cannot focus fire on a single target with all 8? Or is it 16 forget. Furthermore their guns are all on the top deck, with a large veunerable underbelly.
A Munificent Star Frigate has its turrets clustered at the front, which is perfectly compatible for multi ship formations and allows maximum concentrated firepower. Yes it is not a "capital ship" but it does the combat jam so much more efficiently than any other ship. Lucrehulks are also another fantastic design, specializing in carrying ALL the fighters to rule the skies, but also work ok in combat. Cant concentrate fire but if shields are low and turrets are damaged, just spin the ship about and bring the fresh half to bear on the enemy.
HAHAHAHA
-the droids
Finally you fixed your intro. Never change the "SERGENT ON DECK" (sorry guys, got excited, and apparently my phone is as dumb as I am)
It's spelled "Sergeant"
@@jasoncp3257, thank you.
Agreed never change the “Attention Sargent on deck!”
Right.
Pear TreeGamer why is this so important to everyone
Why did the Senate have a MUCH easier time Manipulating war(s)?
revolverman because the good and just Palpatine was the senate
Robert O Leary technically that’s true Palpatine only made democratic committees to discuss something but actually he just did that to keep the democracy going bc after that committee he just make it count, he had all the power of the senate so he didn’t have to make a lot of motions for approve something, he just needed votes
The main 'problem' with the jedi is that they would refuse the more "imperial-like" tactics that republic officers would push for (enter Tarkin). The very same republic officers that would one day become imperial officers that would effectively commit war crimes for victory. The jedi won't compromise their code (morals) for victory.
Saying that the jedi are always or mostly inferior to republic 'officers' is incorrect.
Yes, the jedi are not trained military officers/commanders......but at this point, no one is.
Before the Clone Wars there was no massive military for the republic for nearly 1000 years.
The republic did not have ready access to hundreds of brilliant officers that could command sector wide campaigns because no such campaign had been launched in a very long time. No massive armies. No massive fleets. No massive wars to fight.
The judicial force or planetary security forces are not the same thing as a full blown military. It would be like putting a police commissioner in charge of the world's armies.
What I mean to say is that the vast majority of republic officers have an equal lack of experience in managing a war when compared to the jedi.
Some jedi like Anakin, Obi-Wan, Plo Koon, Oppo etc make great generals, while others suck.
Some officers like Tarkin and Yularen are competent and good at what they do, while others suck (Ozzel).
(The empire later had all these brilliant officers in command without jedi to hinder them and yet they could not defeat the Rebellion. Veers did not prevent Rebel escape. Piett lost above Endor because he could not defend his flagship. Tarkin lost the Death Star to a few dozen snub ships. The officers in command on Endor could not defeat the Rebels and Ewoks or defend the bunker. The track records of these officers are also nothing to boast about when compared to the blunders made by the jedi.)
PS Sorry for the verrrry long comment ;)
And then there's Anakin, who DID commit war crimes to win. He faked a surrender in Season 7 Episode 9, he executed a surrendered leader in Revenge of the Sith, and he uses the force to interrogate prisoners beyond what is considered legal.
@@MistahFox You're absolutely right. He also faked surrender against Mar Tuuk. Of course, Anakin fell to the dark side. So while Anakin makes a fairly good field commander, he is not what you might consider to be a "typical" jedi (morality-wise), hence he was not given the rank of jedi master.
Veer's job was to destroy the shield generator which he did, Veers was successful it was the orbital fleets job to prevent the rebels from escaping (additionally Veers was a general not an admiral).
Tarkin lost due to the force, as shown by all the failed attack runs, something believed to be dead with obi won (save the sith).
the officers did defeat the rebels and works but extended too far when counter attacking.
Piett lost his flag ship due to an entire enemy fleet focus foreign it down ("focus all fire on that super star destroyer"), and it only went down due to a lucky hit. no commander could have stoped the fall of the super star destroyer (its the flaw of suck big and cumbersome ships, not maneuverable enough to pull back).
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Firstly, I never said Veers was an admiral or general. I only referred to him as an officer. That said, I concede that Veers' primary objective was the destruction of the shield to enable Darth Vader to land and not directly to prevent rebel escape. Darth Vader then was unable to capitalize on Veers' success and he failed to stop the rebels from leaving the planet, though Vader is not what we might call an imperial officer, so that aside. The fleet was the last line of the net to prevent rebel escape should they succeed in getting off the surface of Hoth, and yes, they failed due to being spread out (though by necessity to blockade) and being left vulnerable to the Ion Cannon. Still, no fighters were deployed that would have survived their capital ship getting hit by ion shots and that could have attacked the rebel transports.
I will admit that essentially all this is Ozzel's fault. Alerting the rebels = timely activation of the shield = more time for rebels to pack up 'n go = less time for Veers/Vader to press the ground assault. So I agree with you. Veers did do his part even though Ozzel made his job considerably more difficult.
Tarkin did not lose due to the Force. Tarkin lost because rebels (Luke) reached the trench and could fire at the exhaust. They were able to reach the trench/exhaust because the Death Star's anti-aircraft was insufficient to stop them and Tarkin did not deploy fighters to intercept. Only Vader and two pilots deployed, and that was initiative on Vader's part. Still, Vader would have shot Luke down if not for the Millennium Falcon, and the Millennium Falcon was able to approach uncontested because there were no fighters to stop Solo (see Admiral Nagumo's Carriers for a similar outcome). Tarkin should have deployed fighters, but he underestimated the rebel plan and overestimated the Death Star (one of his officers even realized the trouble they were possibly in and warned him).
The officers did not defeat the rebels and ewoks. Defeat for the rebels would mean failure to blow up the bunker. If the officers over-extended in counter attacking, and that left them open to defeat, then they failed. They made mistakes and were defeated for it. Consolidate defense on the bunker = imperial victory. Don't go running wildly and scattering into the jungle, leaving the bunker behind. (who knows how the rebels could get in. Rather play it safe than believing the bunker door alone to be sufficient protection.)
"Piett lost his flagship due to an entire fleet focus [firing] it down"
"no commander could have stopped the fall of the super star destroyer"
Yes, these statements, taken by themselves, are true. However it is important to place them in context.
No commander could stop the fall of the SSD, but could stop rebel fighters swarming it and attacking the bridge.
The fleet focused his flagship, because Ackbar was able to surround the Executor to get ships to focus fire on it. This is something the Executors commanders could have prevented.
Piett's error was placing his flagship in a position where it was very vulnerable to the bulk of Ackbar's fleet, leaving it open to attack = shields down = rebel snubfighters all over the place with no protecting TIE's to stop them from attacking the bridge deflectors or making an attack run on the bridge.
Well yes, except no. Tarkin was completely wrong. His tactics and doctrine were demonstrably ineffective, and resulted in the Empire throwing away vast amounts of resources trying to intimidate their opponents rather than killing them. BUT, just because Tarkin was wrong, that doesn't mean the Jedi were right. You call out Anakin and Obi-wan as great generals? Anakin is one of the _worst_ generals in the entire series. How often do you see him in a command center, coordinating multiple companies, manoeuvring his infantry to follow up and support his armour, carefully positioning his artillery, and coordinating air support? Not often. Most of the time, we see him on the front lines, commanding a single platoon or at most a company, and leading them in frontal charges against dug-in opponents. Sure, there's a lot to be said for leading by example, showing the men that their general is taking the same risks they are, etc...but while he's leading that platoon, there are two more platoons over there getting shelled to pieces, an armoured squadron that's got separated from infantry support, and bombers hitting the same target multiple times because there's nobody at the rear coordinating it all.
And Obi-wan?? As a rule, truly _great_ generals don't need to pretend to surrender every other battle.
All of which is kind of ignoring the elephant in the room. We're talking about why the Republic _navy_ struggled, by discussing guys who had the rank of _general._ Not "Admiral". There's a reason that navies and armies are generally separate forces with their own rank structures, but Jedi seem to be in command of both ground _and_ naval forces at the same time - and they're equally incompetent in each role.
Of course, the fundamental problem that all sides in the Clone Wars suffered from was Hollywood Tactics - they were being written by people who didn't have much in the way of tactical experience, and their tactics were designed to be cool and flashy rather than practical. Still, that's what we're stuck with - their actions are canon, and that's pretty much it.
I imagine being an Republic Admiral during the Clone Wars should have been an absolute nightmare.
Especially if you were being attacked by an entire Separatist Fleet
Yes please more tactics and strategy. I need to learn and apply it for a fan fic of mine.
You might want to check out some of EckhartsLadder’s videos. He has lots talking about this kind of stuff
@@willskitchentutorials yeah I know.
Fanfic?
@@dreademperor2094 Fan fiction. My story is of a separatist soldier. They had organic troops not all the time droids, droids, droids, droids, droids. I wanna show the nice side of them. I know they commited attrocities due to Palpatine's influence.
@@bradmorales4002 oh cool, I'm actually working on a sci-fi story that have wars in it and so I'm doing the same thing as you watching videos to have a better understanding on strategies and tactics
What was so bad about the arqutens class light cruiser? I mean its not a shining beacon of excellent starship design to be sure but from what I've seen it made a fairly competent escort ship.
9:20 , just replace Jedi with Kathleen Kennedy, and the navy with Star Wars and you just got a fact.
“Attention Sargeant on Deck!”
“Clankers!”
Sergeant* could you not be bothered to spell check or did you actually think that's how it's spelt?
helikos1 thanks? I didn’t think about it
@@MinskyDoxsky I like the misspelling
The republic had the most powerful weapon of all “Plot armor”
I’m surprised to see you use space engineers, I know the lcd panels anywhere, if your out of range it will just be black with an “online” or “offline” in white. You see it in the venator thrusters. Also the shipyard. I’m glad to see some attention to a great game.
What If:
The republic used a droid army and the CIS used a clone army? How would battles change? Would the war end quicker?
Imagine an army made up of clones and droids, the best of both worlds, the ultimate army...
I really like these tactics videos, Yeah having the jedi in charge of a war would be like giving the Pope command of D-Day!
Eh more like making captain america in charge of the military
@@mondaysinsanity8193 Captain america used to be more akin to a covert ops comando like the SAS
@@marseldagistani1989 my point was jedi have super powers the pope doesn't
@@mondaysinsanity8193 I know but I just made my point of the difference between captain america and the Jedi.
also the Pope has special power given to him by god
@@marseldagistani1989 um...sureeeee lemme know when the pope shoors fucking force lightning
It’s almost like an aspect of the clone war was the discrediting of the Jedi, while good at diplomacy, law enforcement, and dueling; the Jedi had no place on a proper battlefield, much less a command position.
Get every republic admiral and general to suffer at Jedi hands and they will go along with order 66, after the fact
I often wonder what if the republic approched the mon calamari to build ships for them would have been fun to see venators being supplemented by some mon cala ships
I think if the Republic got their hands on some Mon Cala Cruisers they would have had an advantage over the repurosed Trade Federation Separatist Fleets
The Jedi definitely were a pain in the arse but. Was this part of Palp's plan? Make sure the majority of the Admirals etc were not fond of the Jedis in preparation for Order 66
I think so
It absolutely was. Palpatine put the Jedi into a no-win scenario. He rallied the Republic together during the Separatist Crisis and then essentially made the CIS fire the first shot. At that point, the Jedi had only two options: fight or be branded as traitors. And his manipulation of the media put the Jedi at the forefront of wartime press, and then used that limelight to slowly turn public opinion against the Jedi, to the point that some republicans citizens blamed the Jedi entirely for the war’s existence.
Man the Jedi Order can be a real pain in the ass I feel bad for the admirals that had to deal with their bullshit
As a CiS admiral you had a lot more options in deciding what kind of fleet composition you want with varied and diverse range of fleet assets out of any navy in stars wars.
I have to ask: Was Tarkin talking about the season 5 droid and youngling arcs? If so, I can't believe I didn't see it like that. Where'd you find that?
The confederacy only had more ships because they were mostly trade vessels repurposed for war. The same can be said for the acclimator which was primarily a troop transport until its secondary variant came into use at the end of the clone wars and into the empire. The Providence and venator were the first ships designed specifically for war, and were pretty much parallels of eachother. The separatist fighter superiority only came from its ability to store massive amounts of fighters and bombers in the large cargo holds of the lucrehulks. Which again, was an old ship repurposed for war. The separatists needed a carrier that could pack a punch, and also take one... Like the Providence. Which is why towards the end of the war, you start to see the Providence class act more of a command ship and backbone, with the lucrehulk's taking a step back in order to carry ground forces instead; as they were originally designed. The republic were only outmatched from the start by multiple private merchant navies.
I just realised something that’s not at all relevant to this at all. During the Umbara arc of the Clone Wars, when Keep was giving Rex orders via hologram, then Sergeant Appo was holding the projector for Krell and afterwards asked if he should reinforce Rex. When Krell responded he called Appo by his name instead of his number which he had been calling all the other clones. Part of me thinks this is just a writing mishap to help insert Appo into the Clone Wars but what if it had a deeper meaning to it? I’d like to see something that delved into Krell and his attitude towards clones, I think that would be cool.
Lucrehulk-class were huge. And when turned into a carrier was a monster. With more turbo canons than a common destroyer. And Marine expenditionary force larger than clone army division.
I would be interested to see what a Jedi like Revan would have done if he appeared on Coruscant a year or so into the war. I doubt he would have been impressed with the current Jedi council's actions up to that point, and I would be curious to see how he would handle protecting the Republic from Confederate attacks.
He would have a massive fleet guarding Corascaunt from Confederate attacks
The CIS could have won within a year without Sideous and Dooku at play, and honestly it probably wouldn't have been a bad thing if they had
They're would have been two galactic governments the Galactic Republic and the Confederacy of Independent Systems
Without Sidious and Dooku the CIS could have threatened Corasuant and froced the Republic to surrender
Frankly they could have made their navy even better by streamlining design. 99% of CIS ships would never hold organics, so why keep an atmosphere? Less energy, resources, logistics and mass for life support. You could even get rid of large corridors all together, just have a large hanger and then a web of tunnels suitable for buzz droids made for repairs, this means the ships can be made smaller, tougher, smaller target and again less mass so they're faster and use less fuel.
those fleets ship decals always make it look, like royal dutch shell fought british petrol in the big gasoline wars
Can you do a video on new weapons that capital ships could/should use?? Instead of turbo lasers, ships could use Self Propelled Heavy Artillery cannons. So this venator for ex could replace the 6 heavy turbo lasers they have and put 4 SPHA’s on the ship for ex. Or a Imperial could have 16 SPHA’s. It’s a hypothetical thing that could be better than turbo lasers based off how powerful they are in The movies. And in the shows and movies, ships only fire like 3 turbo lasers ever at a time it looks like so might as well have a powerful gun. The SPHA could just be modified that it sits in the shit obviously and then the gun just rotates on top. And it has its own power source so it doesn’t really take power from the ship. Increasing the ships shield or thruster or power for other things too.... I think it would be an amazing thought and video to discuss? Something new that no one talks about!!!
I agree that ships geared towards countering other capital ships and heavily-fortified targets would benefit from the installation of SPHA turrets, but I think the main reason why these weapons were not retrofitted onto ships to replace the main turbolasers while leaving just point-defenses to complement them is the simple matter of fire rate. Turbolasers, while individually weak, had reliable firerates and would have a much better chance of hitting moving targets in a combat zone and doing more consistent damage than the SPHAs, which would fulfill the role of snipers essentially. A good idea would have been to incorporate a mix of up-armored SPHA guns on rotating mounts, which would have acted as extremely-potent precision weapons to cause massive damage in an instant, but they need to have a steady lock on the enemy ship. Conventional turbolasers would be used to supplement the SPHA guns, as they would deal with general threats that the more-specialized weapons are too slow to hit in the fluid chaos of a battle.
The Jedi should have assembled their own military division and left GAR command to experienced officets.
It's a surprise that wasn't the case from the get go. Wouldn't peace keepers have some sort of armed wing to help keep peace. And considering how politically well known the jedi are, it should not be too hard for them to recruit an army.
@@marrqi7wini54 I know right? If only they could've gotten over their irrational disdain for blasters and the idea of militarization. They even could've assembled a combat Service Corps. comprised of Younglings who couldn't become Padawans and hired the best professional soldiets/mercenaries they could find to train them. Elite military training coupled with even minor force sensitivity as well as high quality weapons, armor, and equipment would've yielded soldiers who would've put the best ARC Troopets to shame.
@@UncleMikeDrop I agree the Jedi should have been special froces separate from the GAR
In all honesty, not all Jedi were horrible tacticians, many Jedi proved to be good alongside their Admirals and Captains
I'd like to see a video about the Malevolence vs the Death Star II I think that would be really cool.
Under normal circumstances, the Jedi and any military force they led would've been unbeatable. Without the power of the Sith - and their own hubris - clouding their ability, their power of foresight would make them able to anticipate and counter any plot against them or the Republic. Even if an army did form to challenge the Republic, the Jedi would quickly confront whoever was in charge of it. 90% of the time, they could just talk any would-be conqueror to the negotiating table and peacefully incorporate them into the political process. If not, then they'd quickly dispose of whoever was in charge, and see if his second in command was more reasonable. The Jedi Order would take apart a hostile army's leadership structure within a matter of a few months.
Their great weakness was an army made of droids. For all the fact that you often see Jedi carving through droids like paper, in fact droid soldiers were perfectly suited to nullify the Jedi's diplomatic prowess. Nothing less than the massive CIS droid-based war machine that Sidious and his apprentices built up would have been enough to make the Jedi overextend themselves and leave themselves as vulnerable as they did.
The jedi were very capable tacticians. The accusation of the jedi being terrible military leaders causing "desastrous consequences" simply doesnt hold up when compared to TCW. In that show, jedi repeatedly outsmarted seperatist admirals, amongst them Trench, oftentimes despite being outnumbered and outgunned.
I love the ship designs in the clone wars, each has a clear role that can be deduced by their appearance and the all come together for great strategic battles and DID YOU JUST INSULT THE ARQUITENS?
Great video as always! You should definitely do more premieres.
It is Ironic that the Jedi claimed to be keepers of the peace and not soldiers when they insisted on being the generals of the army.
Imagine being stuck under the command of General Ima-Gun Di.
That why you see in the U.S navy carrier attack force they would have destroyers, cruisers, aircraft, subs, medical ships and many more because each have a weakness because the cruisers and destroyers can focus on intercepting missiles while the main carrier can focus on getting strike craft in the air
Great vid. Can you do more tactics videos?
Feeling and WIZARDRY, the blight of soldiers, ah yes soldiers do hate those wizards
The Senate is the best strategist.
This video was so good! I'd love more videos like this
At 2:11 I know most of the ships there, but can anyone tell me what the flat looking ship to the left of the malevolence is?
First time I've seen one like that , try looking up separatist warships
nice video geetslys
Awesome video, hope you make more videos like this!
I still think the Jedi shouldn’t have been (in most cases) generals, but rather a special unit
That's what I'm saying
Couldn't a Repubilc admiral just be stationed on a Victory Star Destroyer rather than just a Venator? That would've made the Navy more flexible.
They would star destroyers had a thicker armor then the Venators
I think making the jedi generals was actually part of Palpatines plan to make the non clones want to kill the jedi too tbh.
I genuinely feel Tarkin had a point especially where the Navy is concerned.
love the intro, never change it
Awesome video!
Who else saw shepherd at the bottom at 4:26???
when you think about it, the empiree warhips are all stardestoyers, even their flag ship was bassicly a bigger one
Palpatine places his money on both ponies. It was a win -win situation with him. CIS or clones, either way.
Yes
Dealing with jedi must be tiresome
Just ask admiral Yularen
Admiral Wulf Yularen literally looked like he aged from his late 30s to his early 50s just under the command of Anakin.
@@spynix0718 ikr
The olny Jedis that were effective commanders in the entire war was Anakin,Obi-Wan,and Yoda,a
Awesome and interesting vid once again
You can see Tarkin spinning scenarios to make the Jedi look bad. i.e. The _Negotiator._
This is Canon for me!
Separatist Admirals: Send a ship on a kamikaze mission vital to the war effort.
Republic Admirals: Developing tactics that would limit fewer casualties.
which ship is that? if you are refusing to the malevolence, i would like to point out it successfully eluded the republic for months.
as for limit fewer casualties, yes the republic did make stupid tactics that limited their ability to win with fewer casualties.
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Love the vid man
Sith loyalist! 😂
Wow I would like and try and a attack pattern tactics
Really does show how hypocritical the Jedi were
Does the chin scratching and fist sniffing help? Do you get master strategies from doing such things?
Wait, if the identification of a target was mostly done visually in the clone wars then why did the republic and the separatists PAINT their flagships? What?!
did you not notice the scenes when they talk about their scanners? or the lore bubbles in cross sections both canon and legends that talk about long range scanners?
Here.
if not fighting in the military what where roles the jedi could have to serve in the republic military, maybe medics, diplomates, special forces, spies etc. maybe some where still leaders yes but they were few in number.
The Jedi should never have done the Ruusan reformations. Just imagine what the likes of the Jedi Lords of the Army of Light would have been able to do with the resource of the Clone Wars Republic? The CIS wouldn't have stood a chance.
2:09 what’s the triangle ship next to the Subjugator?
To be fair to the jedi The full quote by tarken also specifies the Jedi never wanted the roll they were given to lead the war.
Huh never thought the US navy and the republic navy would have so much in common
Ah yes. The negotiator!
Without Palpatine‘s manipulations the CIS would have won the war.
This isn't likely.. the CIS had numbers but Palpatine was manipulatjng BOTH sides to keep one from getting an advantage but the Jedi thrwarted many of his attempts of manipulation later in the war which is why the CIS was pushed back into the Outer Rim. Maul straight up says in the comics that the CIS is spread thin during the clone wars basically meaning that the numbers advantage was likely reduced heavily and they were struggling to maintain all of their fronts
On top of that most of their Navy was made up of glass cannon warships. The Providence and Lucrehulks were the only things capable of holding their own against a large republic force. Every other ship the CIS had was only effective if in large numbers
Of course
@@mouse3872 But still the size of the Separatist Navy would overrun the Republic pretty quickly
@@thorpeaaron1110 if the Separatist could have won the war and easily then there would have been no point in controlling both sides. Specifically why put the extra work in to make the republic win a war they couldn't win if the CIS was that strong. The answer is simple at the Republic was more than capable of defeating the CIS.. at worst the war would have ended in a stalemate which Palpatine didn't want as he wanted to control the WHOLE galaxy
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This is way personally I think the Jedi should never got involved in the war their peace doctrine hendered the Republic Military's progress in defeating the CIS quickly;the Jedi would have been much better as auxiliary troops rather then generals
Of course they had an easier time , they were commanding the Chad droid Master Race
Great video
I would like to see a video done explaining how different the war between Republic and separatist would be if the Grand Army of the Republic was made fully up of natural born soldiers like that of the old republic. Meaning fully trained soldiers and navy.
The Republic would have loss the war
@@thorpeaaron1110 why do you say that.
@@armycowboy4313 The Separatist Navy attacked everywhere and the Separatist Driod Army could be produced faster and sent to the battlefield quicker then your average clone trooper if the CIS could do enough damage to destroy the Republic's ability to wage war on a galactic scale they could froce the Senate to the negotiating table
@@thorpeaaron1110 true though i wouldn't count the Republic out just yet though, it was called the clone wars but there where planetary forces fighting against the separatists though those fights varied because of equipment and training. However I believe if they had their military structure like it was back in the old republic just with the modern technology of the clone wars the republic might have fared better. The Soldiers could tell the Jedi that their plans suck when bad orders where given. Natural born people also have more life experience then clones giving them the ability to adapt far more quickly and yes I know clone where bread to be the best and all that fun stuff. But Natural born people also give far more verity. Because the Army would be made up of more then just human beings. True droids could be pumped out quickly but they are also on average pretty stupid so you could easily counter them and reprogram them. Yes the Separatists navy is stronger then the Republics but that has been proven that doesn't really matter if you have very intelligent people like Thrawn who wiped out a separatist fleet with a much smaller and out gun fleet. Or people who are very creative in ways .
@@armycowboy4313 True by the CIS sheer numbers and financial backing by intergalactic mega corporations like the Trade Federation,the Integra Banking Clan,and Techno Union and brilliant commanders like Trench and Grievous they could have easily froced the Republic to sue for peace
Humanity first
Nom nom
The seps should of won in manpower alone. Every planet garrisoned with thousands of droids. The entire CIS navy should of been on the offensive basically all the time and they could just defeat a planets garrison fleet drop of droids then leave and let a tactical droid run it. They would loose but doing this in every planet across the galaxy would stretch the republic to thin.
That's why the CIS was able to win major victories in the early days of the war if Palpatine wasn't involved the CIS could have pushed into the Core Worlds forcing the Republic to the negotiating table
@@thorpeaaron1110 yea easily at the start of the war CIS worlds would of been fine then there navy and armies could of had such an early blitzkreig Jesus if the droids just went all out battle in geonosis they could of wiped out the clone army.
@@Normalguy1690 True and could have ended the war far earlier
@@Normalguy1690 Both the Republic and the CIS could have won a quick and easy victory that could have ended the war at Geonosis if the CIS Fleet could chase the overstretched Republic Navy across the core worlds eventually reaching Corasaunct and forcing the Republic to surrender and if the Republic continued their advance on the planet they could have captured and arrested Dooku and the Separatist Council ending the war in a quick and easy victory
@@thorpeaaron1110 I doubt ur second theory. If dooku still ordered the CIS council of geonosis and dooku fled like in the movie taking Anakin and obi wan out of the fight but then decided to fully reinforce the planet and tell the CIS forces not to flee but continue to fight under Poggles control. Only 200,000 clones were sent to geonosis and most commando United got wiped out I think if the droids decided not to flee but continue almost making the republic have an early siege it could of broke a large chunk of the Republic military on the 1st day of the war.
What if Kuat fell to the Seps?
maxomat 4 DOOM!! The Fall of Kuat would of broke the back of the Republic, along with all but cripple the Republic Navy..
Palpatine would make the CIS lose a counterattack
The Capture of Kuat by the Separatists would greatly hurt the Republic's ability to continue the war this would be a major blow to the Republic Navy and the CIS had to now was a to destroy as many ships as possible until the Republic's arsenal ran out of warships
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I'd argue the gar had better fighters than cis. But for cruisers cis is generally stronger
The real reason was that Seperatists didn't have to keep Anakin under control. (Unsuccessfully)
Oh no no
I mean if you think commiting war crimes is easy.