Andrew Schulz On Israel & Palestine Conflict w/ Charlamagne
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2023
- Andrew Schulz and Charlamagne talk about the Israel & Palestine conflict.
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They're right in that Oct 7 didn't happen in a vacuum. It grates on me so much when people act like Oct 7 was day 1 of this conflict. It ignores all the nuances and context that led up up that disgusting fateful day. It ignores all the transgressions the Israeli government have carried out in all the years prior. It ignores all the suffering the Palestinians have gone through for so many years.
No one is acting like this happened in a vacuum, but if what happened on Oct. 7th and the response to it doesn't make you stop and realize something is seriously wrong on the pro-Palestinian side... If you want to sit and nuance what they did... If you can't call it what it is: sadistic barbarism, then I question your moral compass and if you have one.
@@motherofone979 Oct 7 is all those things you said. It was horrific, sadistic and barbaric. My heart breaks for all the innocent victims that day. But it’s being honest to also acknowledge that it didn’t happen in a vacuum. We can’t act like Oct 7 happened out of nowhere and we can’t ignore all the suffering that went on before that day. I’d say any sane and logical person would be pro Palestine in this conflict. They’re the ones without a state. They’re the ones being bombed into oblivion. They’re the ones being chased out of their homes.
I’d say lots of people are acting like Oct 7 was day one. In fact I’d say lots of people have started following this conflict since Oct 7 and their view of the conflict is shaped by that day.
@@motherofone979 Pro israel people always playing victim while ignoring israel illegal settlement and all abusive thing they've done to Palestinian since 75years ago.
@@motherofone979 But why would you mention that when what was done on Oct 7. is not even the smallest of fractions compared to what Israel had done to Palestine for 75 years?
You’re right. They’ve been attacking Israel nonstop.
Andrew is mad nervous about this. You can see it in his face. Good way to take the topic 👏🏽
So the best option for any media person is to either be on the Jewish side or be in the middle like Andrew
@@trigga6135yes, but this is cowardice. The dems are 98 percent for Israel, the media like you said but some artists are challenging the status quo, cancellation or not.
I absolutely blame the British for essentially carving up a space of Israel in the first place and displacing a large amount of Palestinians
You mean the British made sure that the Israelis got their land back
Lol do you know why? Because majority Israeli's lived their and had long lived their, and they needed a safe home after ww2 when millions of their kind were wiped off earth .... Gotta really study up on shit. "Palastinians" never really existed only the made up state which was... made up....
Originally they were gna take Uganda or Argentina but Palestine was chosen in the end
@@dickfitzwelliner2807Apparently Palestinians didn't arrive with the Muslims they had always been there since Moses they were the Canaanites right ? So that land has always been shared.
@@danielharrington5690 Hey man not sure what you're referring to but I am responding to the point of him stating that Britain made sure Israel got their land back when it was actually always shared.
Why does Andrew keep saying people are celebrating the deaths of innocent civilians, insinuating that Palestinians are happy with this situation? Pro Palestinian groups have repeatedly condemned the attacks on Israel. However, not a single pro Israeli source or western media channel has condemned the killing of over 1,000 Palestinian children in less than one week. Even piers Morgan couldn’t bring himself to confirm the attacks on Gaza. It’s disgusting
H don’t mean it like that. It was an example of what we all have seen. He made a point no one wants to do that and if you are celebrating killing kids I don’t know man. We all want peace not win or loose….
He’s Jewish
Piers did and Andrew did and every other normal person have said they feel sorry for the innocents on both side
Because you only see Palestinians celebrating not Israelis. You don't see jews on the street march and yell "kill all muslims, hell yeah destroy gaza" no. But you do see people in the streets yelling "gaz the jews, rape their woman and daughters!" Etc.
Nonsense 🇮🇱💙🇮🇱💙
Chris is a real man for speaking truth even when it hurts.
"You can be in the middle" and ignore the crimes of an apartheid country that was created by imperialist Zionists and white guilt.
Wow, such truth.
No one can tell Palestinians how they can feel because they never got oppressed. It’s beyond horrendous what is going on in Palestine there are no words! When the world doesn’t stand with you, you feel even more rage!
J3ws never been oppressed?
The both of you are ridiculous
So much rage!
but what is a solution with a people who don’t want a solution?
Israel offered them the same lands they're living in right now but they refused multiple times, they don't want to co-exist with israel they want the whole country, gaza been given a lot of money from all over the world but instead of investing this money to better their life they use it to buy guns, bombs, rockets building underground tunnels so they can attack Israel
This situation is actually very simple ... it just happens that a side is very wealthy and has a lot of lobbying power ... so now things are ''complicated''
It is simple. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
It's simple: it's about land.
And both will do anything to fight.
USA dont care... This is about rescuing hostages. You know, they have a bad track record in the past, but they know this is bad!
so fighting against a power that has been a oppressing you for 75 years is considered "playing stupid games" ? @@hectorrivera6624
lobbying? More like it’s a smart move. Israel is our only true ally in a very strategic part of the world. Palestinians are all jihadist. It’s the reason no other Muslim country will take them.
@@hectorrivera6624applies both ways
Hamas is not Palestine 🇵🇸
Kinda like how back in the day everything Muslim in ignorant American eyes was al qaeda....😮
Yeah it is, the Palestinians elected Hamas 😂😂😂
@@danielmcdonnell4779 Hamas is not Palestine 🇵🇸
The ravers weren’t armed either but still got it. Let the best man win 🤷🏽
@@danielmcdonnell4779in 2005!!! Lemme get this straight. So if U.S.A. people elected a president who killed civilians in Iraq war, then all US population are murderers?? All U.S.A. population must be killed by Iraqi?? Grow up.
It's actually very easy to pick a side... I'm on the side of the oppressed. With that being said, Amnesty International has said Israel is committing the crime of apartheid and enforcing "a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people."
How can you sit on the fence of that?
Credit to Andrew for not ignoring what led to this atrocity and how the many deaths in Gaza are ignored and only spoken about after the tradegy in Israel.
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Palestine wouldn’t be oppressed if they didn’t attack Israel for no reason
I know israel has committed a lot of attrocities but palestine in gaza voted for hamas to be in power so they're being trapped in the conflict.
The democratic country would always look at avoiding civilian casualties and a terrorist organisation dont really csre about it.
Facts.
@@NTIS-DHARMIK Half of Palestinians are children under the age of 15 currently, Do they have a choice to pick Hamas? Also what kind of democratic country that funded and supports a systematic genocide and ethnic cleansing? If Israel is a democratic country then the majority of Israelis are to be blamed for the deaths of innocent women and children in Palestine for voting a terrorist and apartheid government.
Theres alreadt a story in america where some scum bag stabbed 6, year old Palestinian kid over 20, times. Absolutely tragic.
And the mom but she survived
Give the Palestinian people their land and equal rights and this all goes away. Any innocent death on either side is awful, and by no means are the actions of the Israeli army or the actions of hamas those that represent the true innocent Israeli and Palestinian people!
Equal rights? Bro Palestine has their land and it’s ran by Hamas, a terrorist organization. It’s equivalent of the KKK being our government how do you not get it?
No it doesn't, Hamas doesn't want their own State and equality. They want the destruction of Israel and the death of Jews. They would have their own State by now if it weren't for evil Hamas terrorists.
The people always suffer... violence is a means to an end but in this case, I think both sides are looking like maniacs.
USA need not to intervene.
They only care about hostages but this is scary.
Israel isn't killing Palestinians....Hamas is. They're preventing them from then from evacuating and have long attacked from behind them. If the Palestinians rose up and expelled Hamas from their lands, they'd have their own country by now
The occupation is needed along as Hamas maintains control of Gaza. They use foreign aid to kill jews. The goal of Hamas is to kill jews.
Why doesn't Israel just leave the occupied West bank 😂
Gaza isn't in the West bank...
@@simonfidler1586 I know… Hamas attacked Israel because West Bank is occupied and the fact that they raided Al Aqsa mosque constantly. So if the occupation stops then Hamas won't have a reason to fight
Hamas goal is to eradicate the Jews, they will never stop attacking.
@@Bigwhitedick appreciate the explanation, I really don't know much about this stuff. Though hard to see how babies, women and children living in internationally recognized Israel, not the west bank or Jerusalem, have anything to do with Al Aqsa raids or the occupation of the West Bank - I'm pretty sure they weren't occupying or raiding either place?
@@Bigwhitedickyou have that backwards, Israel has Gaza occupied because Hamas keeps attacking them from there. If Gaza were to leave Israel alone then they'd have their own State by now
You've mentioned that Israelis were killed in Egypt. But what about the muslim child that was killed in Chicago Illinois recently? if you gonna mention a side, mention both sides without being indirect about your actual message, Chris
I mean it sounds to me that these guys just don’t want the killing of innocents in general Palestinian or Israeli. And all they’re saying is ppl should celebrate the killing of innocents. Idk how that’s hard to agree with. 2 things can be true at once you can be pro Palestine/Israel and be against the killings of innocent Palestinians/Israelis
Relax bro, the muslim kid was just killed today, u dont know when this was recorded or if they even heard of it yet
Trying to make it sound like they’re hating on Palestine. This is what’s wrong with social media, people think you have to choose a side. This episode was a great unbiased breakdown of tragic events don’t make it something it isnt
Lol
Whattaboutism
I absolutely respect Andrew and Chris even more. They really handled this topic fairly
Meanwhile things like this happen world wide every single day. We as Americans have become so decoupled from the real world. Ain't so peaches and cream in other countries, our media just chooses what is important enough to cover
Zionist run US..
No it doesn't happen in other countries, name one place on earth that has millions of people surrounded by a wall Three times bigger than the Berlin wall, a racist constitution and a majority of racist sociopaths justifying occupation, apartheid and genocide of 900 children in one week, also lying about 40 beheaded babies and lying about not bombing schools and hospitals
These guys absolutely don’t know anything they are talking about!smh
That’s why there trying to educate there selfs bye having this conversation with this guest jheez why can’t people give each other a bit of breathing space
Good thing they prefaced the video saying exactly that
They’re comedians fuck you expect?
Bro ive always been a fan of andrew schulz.But today i swear to god i actually am starting to love the man.Chris as a muslim i respect you so much for your stance.You have my utmost respect.
Mad respect for how well you guys managed such a tricky conversation.
you have got to have CTE to listen to dumb and dumber pretend to be philosophers AGAIN
Yes Andrew knows what not to say and what to say👏👏👏🤐🤣😂😂😂
Charlamagne scared to say anything about jews
WTF are you talking about? People CELEBRATING is the fkn issue. Any time your enemy gets hurt the other side will celebrate. Why the hell are you making that into the main issue?
And why am I not able to comment?
What is so damn tricky about this conversation??? You have thousand and thousands of kids killed for no reason other than racism and ethnic cleansing. End of story.
i think this a true test of humanity within people. If you ever are indifferent or encourage genocide/murder, then there is something deeply wrong with you and you must self reflect.
Aliens attacking us....will test our bullshit what we really all believe in
Very true but America only cares about the hostages... This could get ugly.
What would be your plan to save Palestine then? Palestine has been getting abused and kids killed for decades look at the numbers of deaths. People are acting as if this is an equal fight, they have no option but to fight dirty then with the news being all Israel it’s easy to make them look bad. Think about the Israeli on the podcast with Jewish family is saying he’s in the middle there’s something wrong with
I’m not saying what hamas did is right but the Palestinians are packed into an open air prison surrounded by people who hate you imagine that was you and your family and Israel I bet have already killed more innocents they’re dropping highly advanced missiles on the most densely populated place on the planet but what is publicised is only what hamas does none of Israeli attacks. I thought you people realised the news was fake same playbook everywheee
Stop pointing the finger. WE ALL must self-reflect. It's not good people vs. bad people. We, as falllen humans in a fallen world, are all capable of this
No body is celebrating anything. Support doesn’t mean celebrating. There are seven year olds who know what occupation is they live under it. You are totally right too uninformed to speak on this.
Andrew Schulz is a brilliant man. He is more knowledgeable about the issue than the other dude...
Yeah Andrew does know more on this conflict than Charlamagne. They’re both brilliant and ignorant about a lot, hence the name of their podcast Brilliant Idiots.
He is so brilliant that he is clueless to anything on the world. He speaks with surface level info and you idiots gobble it up,
Other dude? Put some respect on Charlamagne name
@@kdubsosolidI think he was talking about Chris
@@kdubsosolid man Charlamagne constantly surprises me with how little he knows regarding anything. What's to respect?
The guy who says he's in the middle is the biggest coward of them all.
The agnostic who's happy being an agnostic is just someone who refuses to ever know. It's literally just fear of any judgment against you because you lack any integrity or moral standards.
If you can’t watch what happened and see one side beheads babies and the other wants to live peacefully, you stand with Israel or you stand with terrorism that simple.
I appreciate it a lot for bringing this on your podcast it takes *alls what most don’t have
if you have a platform like this , it's crucial to take the time to inform yourself about the subject, there is not both side to a genocide
Those influencers are more concerned about their audience than anything else. We all know they're just closeted racists/ zionists trying to put up a "I'm in the middle" persona.
Hamas on October 7 or Israeli war in Gaza?
Andrew Schulz! I love you and respect you MUCH more after watching this video. The way you talk about such a sensitive topic without blaming it all on one side like 95% of all commentators does is big from you.
Israel is occupying, Palestinian resistance is necessary, and legal under international law. its not hard to understand. Palestine is fighting occupation.
Killing innocent people at a music festival while invading Israel on a Jewish holiday is not resistance, that’s offense
If there was no occupation would Hamas stop killing jews?
It’s also not true
Israel was israel
Then king Solomon died and split it into two between two of his sons
The southern half renamed to Judah
Rome conquered them and named Judah palestine to insult the Jews
The west then called it Palestine because time called it that and time is the father of the entire western world
Palestine never actually existed though which is why you can’t find a single Palestinian government until AFTER 1948
Israelis are native to Israel the white population is only 30% of Israel and that’s inky if you include half and quarter Ashkenazi in that 30%
Palestine started the war in 1948 attacking Israel for no reason tower than Muslims wanting to kill all Jews because that’s how y’all are
Israel then whooped all of you at once with ease and even gave you back the land they rightfully won in the war
Justifying the murder of babies says a lot about a person. May god protect me from this evil 🙏🏽
@@juansebastian.trianaagain no evidence on that bro and most news channels retracted it because no evidence. but ok listen to one side lies like WMDs
tbh my issue is why is this making news headlines when it’s Israeli victims but when it’s Palestinian it’s mute. At this time 47 Palestinian families have been wiped out. 47 families, which include siblings, parents, grand parents, cousins and uncles. and you know most of them are kids because the population in Gaza is 50% children. The Israeli government have been terrorizing Palestinian citizens for decades upon decades. Mass Media have shown that they have no empathy for Palestinians. It’s “condemn the action of hamas” (which I totally agree about, no innocent lives should be lost) but there’s no such thing has condemning the horrific acts Israel has continued to do with the Gaza citizens
my heart lies with the innocent lives that have been lost but I have no empathy for the Israeli government
So the guy behind the camera is talking about all the incidents where Israelis got killed but didn't mention the Palestinian kid who got stabbed to death 27 times just because he is Palestinian!! And the media whispered about this news
jesus christ you are dense
One of the best dialogues on this topic on the internet
Thank you Chris!
Wow Andrew. Clips like this give me more hope than anything else. God bless you.
Andrew & Chris’ take is the closest to mine I’ve heard yet online. There’s no excuse for these horrors, but these attacks didn’t just fall out of the sky. There’s like generations worth of bullshit that led up to this.
settlers are not just innocent civilians
Weird way of saying you support killing kids but okay
I love that you guys aren’t yelling and having a normal conversation about this because everything gets lost so easy
Respect to Chris , the man without a face spoke so eloquently and truthfully
He is lying! There was no celebration. That a right wing talking point. Israel does this everyday to Palestinians daily and no one says anything or stop it!
Well, I agree with you, at least you are brave and fair enough to look at this conflict from both sides through an eye of human , not through an eye of a biased person.👍 respect 👍
You are so good at pointing out what's happening on both sides. Please talk about the solution ideas more!
Very informative.
As an Arab Muslim myself this has been very rational conversation of a very tricky situation
haha sure, Zionist bot.
"My worst fear is that people will feel unheard, even if their opinions aren’t desirable. When people think of themselves as unheard, and their voices remain oppressed, they’ll speak in the only language in which all men are fluent: violence."
-Seth Daniel Parker-
Excellent convo fellas. Really.
Now this a convo
I felt like last year the war was more popular than it is rn
I was gonna say I didn’t know how to go on until I got there perspectives on this matter.
Why don't Isreal just give Palestinians their freedom! If there is no oppression there won't be any resistance! If there is no colonization and annexation of Palestinian lands, there won't be any freedom fighters! If there was no Isreali terrorism, there won't be any Hamas terrorism.. stop looking at the reaction of the oppressed instead of just looking at the actions of the oppressor. Thank you
Andrew is very careful of what he says
like an intelligent human being should be
I encourage everyone learn the history of this subject from when it started back in 1880. The history is really important to truly understand what’s actually going on.
The fact that people have to be nervous about addressing atrocities is mind boggling! Its fakked!
Cant take CTG seriously anymore. He sold out with the Kanye thing and the Larry Elder thing
I am so fed up with people playing the safe card and playing the middle man. Speak up for injustice regardless of who it is being committed against.
The fact that we have people defending Israelis at this point makes me sick.
People don't realise that by playing the middle man in situations of injustice, they actually enable the oppressor.
Ah yes just what we needed both these guys opinions on the matter
Ironically this was better than 90% of the rest of the shit on social rn
I’m going to be 100% honest, I didn’t watch this video. The reason is, these are the last two people I want to hear talk about this subject. I do listen to them but for bullshit gossip like Diddy’s situation. This is above them. They need to leave these in depth world views to much more intelligent people.
Charlemagne needs to educate himself in world affairs
I haven’t seen anyone happy about it but a lot of people seen it coming and aren’t surprised .
Wow Andrew is super smart, great articulation
Andrew's words really touched my heart. These are my thoughts exactly. I have so much love for the Jewish people, this was a terrorist attack. No doubt about it. I don't agree with the mindless bombing and loss of life.
Think about this though, while the Palestinian were throwing stones, the Hebrews were launching missiles.... both sides haven't played fair and all is fair in love and war!!!
there was a ceasefire in place before october 7th... this is just a way to paint a false equivalency and justify terror attacks on civilians. @@kushkush24
prayers
This is the big difference between Andrew and Chapplle. BALLS. shulz will never be a legend
think of it like the guy next door beat's his wife and kid's you hear the scream's, the bruises! but nobody will do anything,then he put's them in a locked room and continue's beating the shit out of them,cutting there food and water at will, electricity the same, no hope stuck in a vacuum, what in the world would you expect if they broke out? boom that's what i would want and expect, this is shocking it didnnt happen a long time ago.
From a people's perspective, you cannot withdraw from the plain facts though. With or without Hamas, Palestine has been suffering from slaughter, booming, ethnic cleansing way before Oct. 7th. It's been an ongoing case for more than 70 years which was stated in this video. Why can't the jews live in America and Europe like they used to? Before the Balfour treaty Palestine was a country already. We know it be historic facts and if you can check any old Atlas that have not been misrepresented and modified to suit the israhellies.
Period.
Also I really respect you people in the video the topic was discussed greatly, but again you can choose sides and you all know it in your hearts.
Only 30% of Israelis are white or half white
And those bald whites are still half native
Why do the native israelis have to leave?
Just curious when did Palestine exist years ago?
@@mooseloose123moose3 it didn’t
It was the kingdom of israel
Then it split when the king died into two kingdoms under two of his sons northern half stayed israel the southern half was called Judah
Then time conquered them and called it Palestine to insult the Israelis after their ancient enemy the phillistines
The Palestinians and the Israelis are literally all related and the same people
This fighting between them has gone on for thousands of years
It all started between israel and Judah because brother kings fighting
It’s a story old as humanity and the blood shed between them needs to stop but it never will because it hasn’t for the last 2000 years
They were warring before Islam ever even existed so the whole “religion” reason is out the window
Andrew should shut up, unless he’s going to speak up for the occupation that’s been going on fir 70 years and I’m tired of Charlemagne “acting” ignorant about these topics when it comes to topics he he should be “intelligent” enough to formulate an opinion🤦🏾♂️
Well said
1:47 they way i see it for now is just Palestinians are making wars every few years and then they lose wars and lands , it’s not occupation by israel.
Then you're a bozo
If you think about it one side has a child born into a concentration camp or an open air prison who had no say….
The other side moved from Long Island or Brooklyn into an occupied territory, their parents or whomever made that move knew about the war and occupation and had the choice… they risked it. So sad. End occupation.
It doesn’t take that much time for Charlemagne to learn a little history on this situation, especially if you are having multiple conversations about it. You’re just choosing to be uninformed at this point.
Wow I'm surprised Charlamagne actually sounded a lot smarter on this pod than he usually does lol ...the whole discussion was very balanced....shoutout to Chris for being fair and logical
meanwhile interest rates for homes in usa hit 8%
Pffff people can barely afford rent
Bruh its ridiculous how y'all scared to actually tell the truth...
surprised Charlemagne didn’t know more considering how many times they’ve hosted Marcus Lamont Hill on the BC
No amount of crying about how sad this is, isn’t gonna stop it. Amazing how shocked people are by this…peace time is over.
There's never been peace there, just for the record. And you're not tough for not caring, just for the record.
@@Tormentality there is no such thing as a tough conversation ever had via the yt comment section... who's trying to be tough. Projecting much. I stand by what I said, btw.
@@94ULTRAWAV You claim to be hard and not shocked. You are surprised at other humans' reaction (shock) and you call it crying (implying weakness), implying you are not reacting like the rest of humanity.
So explain to me if you can, why you are not shocked at shocking shit, and why you write off this discussion as "crying".
Who is this guy 'Chris'?
Andrew Shultz is the man..!!
1) A Palestinian 7 year old is fully aware of what occupation is, we don’t have the luxury of not knowing when we can’t wash our faces in the morning.
2) there absolutely is two sides and if you’re on the side of genocide then you’re on the wrong side. You’d have never asked South Africa to stand by and coexist. So much privilege in this convo.
agree
Exactly what I was thinking, they constantly use one sided examples during this discourse and honestly, it just mirrors how their sources of information regarding the raw incidents occurring on the ground is just totally one sided. Evidently their news is censored. I have been to Palestine myself and it is outstandingly ridiculous how little we in the West know of the graphic and torturous nature of the occupation. To solve this issue, the world must travel back to 1948. A journey only few are willing to take.
If you yourself are Palestinian, be honest: do you not want Palestine to be liberated? Are you not proud of the “freedom fighters” on October 7?
From everything I’ve seen and heard, Palestinians want their homeland liberated, but this entails destroying Israel. I mean, the 10/7 attacks were on another scale of horror. If I were Israeli, my focus would be on that never, ever, ever happening again.
I guess it sucks that Arafat didn’t end the military occupation in 2000 when he was offered a Palestinian state by Ehud Barak. It wasn’t a perfect offer, but it was pretty good given the circumstances.
@@suwedaa7058 it doesn’t necessarily entail destroying Israel and murdering all Israelis. Look how apartheid in SA ended, the fact is 80% of Israel’s population is from Europe and the US, let them go back to where they came from and let the people who go back 5+ generations on the land have their land and homes back without the threat of being shot or killed simply for just living
To the viewers of this show.. don’t bother watching watching it. Watching 2 people talk about a subject neither of them have a clue about is infuriating
Solution: an untouched and solidified two state solution and both sides should not intervene and respect its others states rights but that failed coz its a matter of politics and not religion
Palestinians have rejected several two state solutions. The reality is to many Palestinians leaders want Isreal more then they want their own country.
Btw how are there 162k likes on a video with 90k views wtf??
Yet, so many books in the background
I don’t like Andrew Schultz and don’t agree with everything he said here. At the same time, he did good job here with a balanced view
Schultz is so aware
Lml Andrew Schulz didn’t want to explain and then won’t let anyone else talk about it
lol these two political geniuses should have it all figured out in no time 😂😂😂
No real talk way to gone to have them look at the camera and say talk to us chris... that fucked my head up lol
chris has a great perspective but he also misses the point that isreal is not even a democracy anymore for isrealis as well where they have no way to hold thier government accountable
It’s an ongoing war Bro, it’s not time for democracy and holding the government accountable. If Israel lost that iron dome and USA backing it be over for them tomorrow. When and if things simmer down, then the people gotta criticize leadership’s wartime decisions.
Nope, Israel is a democratic government. They will hold elections the next time they are called.
But Palestinians in West Bank can’t vote even though Israel controls the West Bank ultimately. So only Israeli citizens (Jewish or Arab) get to vote in Israeli elections .
All you have to do is look at the millitary of israel and hamas. That will tell you its not a war but a beatdown.
When Charlemagne said "people celebrating 9/11". Dog they celebrated 9/11 in Palestine.
The 5 dancing Israelis did it
Andrew made some good objective points. Props to him
My respect for Andrew just sky rocketed.
Just the intellectuals we need to solve a 1,500+ year conflict that is deeply rooted in religious ideology.
It's not a 1500 year conflict. More like 100. But thanks for your inciteful and illuminating comment.
War is bad on all sides
Life or death? But what about those plaestinians who are living in this situation for 80 years?
“and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.”
Ephesians 2:16 NIV
Jesus is the only way
I don’t understand why they keep saying kids dying in both it’s only in one side kids of Gaza is only side that is dying fr fr
My respect for Andrew and Charlamagne and cHRIS went UP for mentioning the GENOCIDE of Palestinina civilians,APARTHEID ,War CRIMES inflicted upon them by Isra*l for 65YEARS!!!❤
Very educated conversation, bravo Andrew and team
Now religion is just a micro problem to this situation but the marco problem is just more Geopolitical, in terms of modern colonialism / imperialism all packed in one.
The Palestinians have been occupied for more than 5 generations.
The land of Palestine was ruled by the Ottoman Empire, after it fell down UK had claimed that land before giving it to the Zionist.
The end of the British Mandate for Palestine was formally made by way of the Palestine bill of 29 April 1948. A public statement prepared by the Colonial and Foreign offices confirmed termination of British responsibility for the administration of Palestine from midnight on 14 May 1948.
So after WW2 and the horror of the holocaust, for reparations… the UK gave the land to the zionist jews in unbeknownst to the locals that were living there. (Palestinians, jews and many other ethnicities that lived there for generations under the ottomans)
All they are asking for is their sovereignty and freedoms like everyone else. However the international community has been ignoring the war crimes of the Israeli government since FOREVER and ONLY chose to react when Palestinians or Hamas (which is a democratically elected by the people of Gaza) chose to defend themselves due to every other blockade and sanctions and war crimes that have been bestowed upon them by the World.
Yes these attacks are terrible on both sides HOWEVER, no country, state, nation, people or person is above criticism or the law. And these are the rhetorics that is beings used to defend Israel crimes.
If you say anything against it. You’re anti Semitic
If you support the Palestinians people, you are for terrorism
So I guess, this makes everyone who is supporting the freedom of the Palestinians people anti semetic then and a pro terrorism?
Then by that logic. All the prestigious universities around the world, the United Nations, Human rights institutions, certain African and western governments like Ireland. AND EVEN SOME OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE IN ISRAEL. That have condemned the atrocities of the Israeli government are anti semtic and support terrorism?
Come on what are we doing here?
Yes we are well aware of the horrors of the holocauste. But you would think that a nation a people who have been through so much would be the 1st people advocating for human rights and injustices of another nation.
So now on the religious spectrum. Why are traditional Jews for Palestine and don’t agree with these Neo Zionist Jews example the Israeli government ?
Because they both have 2 différent dogmas
The jewish scriptures clearly states that the nation of israel cant be created before the arrival of the / their messiah. Only then, he will form nation of israel in his time.
Which is why Jewish traditionalist are for palestine and condemn the actions of the current and past government that shouldn’t exist in the first place.
Second are the modern poltical Zionist. Which says, in order for the messiah to come. The Jewish people should already have a nation. Once a territory is fully occupied and governed 100% by and for the jewish people.
This will accelerate the coming of the messiah.
Which is why we have seen a influx of jewish settlers from all around the world moving back to israel. Creating all this chaos.
What is israel actually claiming?
Thier religion or a poltical ideology ?
Because those two aren’t compatible at all.
chris said a whole bunch of nothing
Andrew admitting that whats happening to the Palestinians is apartheid...that says it all. I onowany jews who concur with this. The fact that the western media and govt failed to acknowledge this is ridiculous. There isnt a debate in this. Kilking of inncoents on both sides os wring. Flat out wring. Children dont deserve to live like this. But andrew is right when he alludes to the fact that what hamas dis (totally wrong) disnt just hapoen out of nowhere. There is an overall issie in play that has jever heen directly tackled by the western govt i.e. aparthied state and breaking of international law by israel. Rhus problem will carry on sadly with more lives lost.
Shultz didn't want to talk about it and starts with the premise that he doesn't know about the issue so Charlemagne what talk. Then he interjects to loads and info
Well that was useless, everyone is so 'confused' and 'in the middle' because the oppressor, Israel is very powerful in their industry. They look like they've been forced to talk about this because it's the number one topic on social media and clearly the world is beginning to acknowledge the apartheid in Palestine. They just want to get through this segment without upsetting any of the powerful people who could affect their career and income. A token discussion about the plight of the Palestinians.