These prices damn. I got my gigabyte b550 auros pro AC for 150 bucks us. Bought it “used-like new” on amazon and it was literally a brand new in box board. Everything was still sealed, but I got to pay 150 bucks versus the 210 msrp. Very happy. The 12 phase vrm is complete overkill for the power draw of the 5800x, but if I ever want to plop in a 5950x it should have zero problems handling it!
I know right ? I got a B550 Aorus Master for like 260 bucks man and you can't even get a Z590 board with a similar price that comes close to the god-like VRMs on my board
Got my B550 Pro and its very good, aside from the usb disconnecting issue (which i fixed with bios update) overall its cool and offer assload of feature and connectivity. VRM is a beast and i dont even OC XD
@@mastroitek Same opinion, I think that the majority of us like the idea of saveing some money on the mobo and cpu (with non K SKUs) with a diminishing drop in performance. It is a good trade off
@@itwasntme761 especially when its for gaming first and foremost, with the GPU being the bottleneck for performance before CPU even gets close usually anyway
I suspect its Intel jacking the prices of the chipset, as the board makers have to license the chipset through Intel. If you look at AMD, you can buy a board like the X570 Tomahawk which falls around 250 and that's starting to get into what I'd consider "high end" for a mobo.... considering you could be just as happy with a 170 dollar B550-F Strix, or even a B550 tomahawk.
@@SPIRIT-117 you're correct there, when back in december trying to get a B460 board for my 10400 since The 3600 was too expensive and our of stock and no integrated graphics, it was pretty hard finding a good ATX B460 board for a low price for under £100, the majority of B460's started at £130 and higher, if i went AMD i would of gotten the B450 F from Asus or the tomohawk from MSI for a good price, i ended up getting the MSI B460 Torpedo, couldn't find any reviews on the board, brought it on Ebay for £97 brand new from CCL computers and got it 2 days earlier with fast shipping and free delivery, the board has decently good looks, 5 months later and no problems, though if i was to upgrade CPU's i might consider getting the 10700 non K while using the same board since its not a OC board, but either way its for gaming and on a budget and the fact im locked to using 10th gen and not 11th gen only on B460 and H410, though 11th gen such as the 11900K and 11700K seems pretty rough so i guess i won't be missing out on anything big other than the 11600K or 11400 😅
@@SPIRIT-117 The Tomahawk actually used to be $200 over a long time, great deal. B550 pricing is also pretty good overall. It‘s a shame that Intel boards have gotten so expensive.
Could you maybe, while you give the backplate usb count, add a little overview on the side with the amount of sata, m.2, fan headers on the board? That way it would be easy to mentally exclude boards that won't serve the personal non-vrm needs. Thanks for all the testing!
These videos aren't for showcasing every feature of each board, they're for eliminating boards with inadequate VRMs. You should be able to research the features you care about in your own time.
I'm looking forward to the B560 roundup coverage. A B560 board with an unlocked power limit sounds like the optimal choice for most people on this platform given RKL's low OC headroom.
Is it me or are motherboards getting a lot more expensive? I remember not so long ago a $300 motherboard was pretty high end, certainly not mid-tier. I've got a mid tier Haswell motherboard I got for ~200 new and nowadays It looks like I'd have to pay $500+ to get similar features for a modern chipset (Talking about stuff like a troubleshooting LCD, dual bios, on-board start button, voltage measurement points, things like that)
Could be. If we go way back I remember paying the exact same amount that I paid for my i5 2500k on my asus Z68-v pro which was a mid-high end mobo. Now boards of that range are more equal to an i7 price... Which is quite a lot.
@@246bro9 some are just as high on AMD Ryzen, but it's not Intel or AMD themselves, motherboard manufacturers are in competition as well. trying to outdo the other, it's like how flashy and fancy can i make my board, but what are you really buying. are you buy a solid piece of quality, or is looks and rgb more important than quality. it has to be one or the other, im the type that goes just give me a board that works with good vrms and a decent number of ports in the back. nobody in there right mind needs 4 m.2 slots and 8 sata slots, i only have a 500gb ssd as a boot drive and for the os, and i have a 4TB for games and everything else, that's more than enough. maybe at a data center or high server place, then they might need that, but none of those places are gonna want a gamer looking board with tons of rgb all over the place. all these companies make gamer looking boards, because they all got it in there head that's all what people do. half the time i barely put on a game, i might throw something on once in awhile, it just depends on my mood.
ASRock EXTREME Z590 is a fantastic $130 board paired with a $260 11700K locked at 4GHz all core while maxed out with 128GB of Corsair VENGENCE LPX 3200 and topped off with a quad port NIC to total 6 ethernet ports. Samsung 980 Pro to boot and then a Crucial P5 Plus for all of my imaginary computers. BIOS version L2.22 Beta released January 19th 2024 helped with manually tightening up the RAM. It has me teaching myself virtual machines and virtual networking while keeping temps fairly cool on my private cloud.
Solid mobo should run it with ease (the best at it's pricepoint). Unless you use a shit mobo, the mobo isn't going to impact the performance by any noticeble margin. So if it has the features you need, you are good with this one.
I just gotta say thanks for making all these vids, spent over three hours watching them so far. I just built my first custom build and did not do enough research on the motherboard. I've had nothing but problems with Gigabyte's Z590 UD and my i7-10700K. Currently shopping to replace the gigabyte board(honestly think it's damaged at this point.)
About the power limits, I personally think that staying sticking to the Intel specification by default is the best option. Yes you may leave some performance on the table, however increasing the power limit also increase power consumption and with that thermals and noise. Comparing the Asrock's power and frequency, you are increasing the cpu power consumption by 58% to get a 8% bump in frequency. I would argue that doing that out of the box really is not a good thing at all. I would see them sticking to the Intel limits as a good thing.
1 thing to note that is the Z590 Pro4, Extreme 6E and Steel Legend sharing the same VRM configuration but there's a big difference in temperature ~16*c. I don't believe their differences in heatsink design causing that prob. Also in the chart at 13:18, why Phantom Gaming 4 showed up here when we only talk abt mid-high tier z590 mobo? They cost less 50$ than the z590 p prime from Asus ?
How the hell did gigabyte drop the ball that hard on the Z590 boards , considering the great VRMs on their X570 aorus elite/pro, and Z390/Z490 Aorus elite/pro boards. I dont get it.
When i bought my board they were sold out of the tomahawk so had to settle with the b450 gaming plus.It lacks a few features but i swear by these boards now.I had 0 issues running for more than 2 years already.I only have an r5 2600 but it's a perfect cpu for this board.I wanted to upgrade to a 3600 when prices dropped but i ready up your review on techspot and it's really not worth it consider i would pay around 120% for little performance increase.
@@endeliggnist5066 it went VERY well. Except for a hiccup LOL. If you have an m.2 ssd DO NOT use the slot close to to the cpu. It will not work. Use the second one behind the gpu. I am very happy with it and should last me 3 to 5 years. Now to find a gpu but I am currently using my 2080 super.
I feel like when we're getting into sub 80c temps on an OC'd 11900k, I would stop caring about VRM thermals. All these boards run 50c under their limit.
Z590 asrock extreme (non wifi) is the cheapest in my country its $240, while Aorus elite is $253.5 and Asus tuf wifi is around $268. Both MSI above is around $325
I love these group tests. However, how reliable is using the PCB backside for measuring VRM performance? I feel that with the way components are installed on motherboards, the # of layers in the PCB and other factors, the PCB backside temperature vs actual chip temp always varies. For example, an 8 layer PCB will typically perform worse than say a 4 layer PCB for the same VRM setup for this specific measurement methodology.
Something to keep in mind about the Aorus Pro AX Motherboard (4:40) is that there is the potential for the board to randomly cut all audio to static until the audio source is paused. Just thought I'd point that out.
Great review, wish I would have seen it sooner so I would have known more about the difference between the msi boards. I got the tomahawk wifi when now I think I should have gone with the gaming board.
Why are boards shipping in 2021 equipped with USB 2.0 ports? A) USB 3.0 is fully backwards-compatible with 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0. For the extremely-rare devices that don't support that MAYBE one port would be plenty... some of these have 4 wasted ports on them...
The Gigabyte mystery - interesting. You're right something is weird here. It might come from the board design, again you may be right, but just out of curiosity, have you checked the contact between the heatsink and the VRMs?
I like that Steve says "Asrock is the only board that sticks to Intel's TDP spec out of the box" like it's a bad thing. That's how a motherboard should perform. Unless I tell it otherwise, it should deliver stock, to spec, performance.
That's a shame, your comment history to date has been quite good really. After commenting quite regularly on the channel for 2 years this is the first time I've ever interacted with you, in fact 90% of your comments don't have a single reply despite being generally good comments. Anyway like I said, a shame, but I won't bother again.
A video idea/challenge for you: there's LOADS of "budget PC build" videos, so instead, find the very best online pre-build customisable PC that people can order, with every dollar spent well & justifiably, that is as close to £4,000 (about $5,600 US) as possible (within a couple of hundred either way - that's the challenge). Then justify why, if a customer has that money to spend & wants an amazing desktop gaming PC (excluding monitor and peripherals), why you have chosen the components wisely, to give great value per £/$ even at that level. Performance (including ample power, quiet and amazing cooling even when greatly overclocked CPU & GPU) comes first, but once you cap that then appearance (like ARGB with your custom water cooling) is bonus points. :)
hi i really like your channel I have a problem with the motherboard gigabyte z590 aorus ultra with processor i7 11700k at any attempt to overclock the processor the motherboard loses the LAN card any ideas ?
I don't understand why manufacturers don't move to mesh I/O shields, especially for boards that have active VRM cooling... blowing straight into a plastic wall.
If I may suggest an addition to the testing, check the temps of the capacitors as they are more affected by high temps than the rest of the VRM. Why? Well Buildzoid took a look at the Pro AX too and found that the power plane between the CPU socket and the Caps became REALLY hot (hotter than the power stages and inductors) and that in turn heated the caps... reporting the capacitor temperature (and the area between the socket and caps would be nice too) here would've helped explain the results you got.
@@Hardwareunboxed typically yes, but on the Pro AX the power plane is actually much hotter lol. But good to know you also measure behind the caps! But strange that you didn't see the elevated temp there like BZ did. Possibly different board revisions? I dunno.
I mean I did, it was worse than the budget boards. His test conditions though were entirely different. A lot of the heat would be spilling over from the CPU in that test, it wasn't exactly real world. Also what's the reference? How do you know other boards wouldn't have run hot under those test conditions?
@@Hardwareunboxed because BZ said he's never seen that happen on other boards. I mean, the PCB between the caps and the CPU socket being hotter than the power stages doesn't make sense lol. I sure can't explain how that's even possible lol. Extreme level of resistance? But that would cause the voltage drop to be very high and I don't think the drop was that extreme in his tests, I might be wrong there though.
i think asrock has easy features in bios to bypass PL... maybe you need update the bios if not there yet... i can run easily bypass 11700 147w sustained load with ASRock Z590 steel legend in my reviews...
Can someone help here? So i bought 2 MSI Z590 motherboards. Do i really need to connect a plug to the 6 pin PCIe connector at the bottom of the motherboard??
Buildzoid went in depth investigating the heat problems on the Aorus AX but even he can't figure out the issue, only that the power plane gets waaaay too 🔥🔥🔥
seems weird to me, hopefully it's something that can be fixed with a BIOS/Firmware update, cause those results definitely don't seem right given the VRM components they're using.
Maybe their thinking is that once you have low enough VRM temperatures (with suboptimal airflow), there is no benefit in reducing them further. You'd be better off improving the feature set or tweaking the visuals. (The higher end models with more efficient components could pull ahead in more airflow limited scenarios, though.) Also, how about the opposite perspective: Most manufacturers have extended their good VRM designs and cooling from the upper mid-range offerings downward, so the differences are now relatively minor.
Do all VRMs have the same max safe temperatures? I feel like just because 1 VRM runs 10C hotter than another doesnt mean its worse if it has 20C higher safe temps...just my 2 cents.
VRMs are good up to about 120c as I recall Lower temp is best regardless of safe temperature as they won’t melt themselves, they’ll just throttle the CPU Plus they run more efficiently at lower temps
No, not always, but in general the range isn't very large. Most VRM MOSFETs are rated for up to about 105C, ranging from 90C (on old or very low-end models) to 120C. VRM inductors can also usually run hotter than the MOSFETs, and capacitors can't run as hot.
You don’t have to worry about VRM temp until it approach 100C in general. So it usually shouldn’t be a concern for mid to high end boards. Compared to running at 50C, running at 70C won’t cause noticeable performance difference nor will if affect the lifespan of hardware in any meaningful way.
Have switched between Asus and Gigabyte since.. 2005? Had MSI prior. My gigabyte z97-X gaming 7 has been rock solid now for 7 years as a daily with ZERO issues. Best board I've owned. Went for the Asus TUF-Z590 this time though.
Except they probably won't. They haven't done that in the past... It's a meme I get but think they're happier that it's been found and reported as opposed to have slipped through
Except they probably won't. They haven't done that in the past... It's a meme I get but think they're happier that it's been found and reported as opposed to have slipped through
Wow, so there are almost none of these boards that can get the rated all-core turbo? That’s really terrible. Are there similar problems with Ryzen? I know there’s no rated all-core turbo, but there ought to be a *typical* all-core turbo we can measure against.
You aren't cooling 380W of power draw with an AIO under 100C, so either it's total system draw, it's totally unreal scenario(moving throttling beyond 100C, but it can damage the CPU) or measurement is wrong.
@@gamingunboxed5130 Is the "stock" 4.8GHz constant on all cores? It surprises me that efficiency would fall off a cliff so badly between 4.8 and 4.9GHz.
@@nathangamble125 the 4.8 "stock" overclock is what most boards came up with so you can't really imagine doing too much better manually these days. Technology caught up far enough to the point the parts can determine optimal setups themselves pretty darn well.
Waiting for the VRM review of the following B560 boards that I wish will be tested whether or not these boards can handle the i9 processor: =TUF Gaming B560-PLUS GAMING =B560M PRO-VDH WIFI =B560 TOMAHAWK/TORPEDO =B560M MORTAR/BAZOOKA =B560M AORUS ELITE/PRO =B560 AORUS PRO AX =B560M D3H =B560 D3H =B560M-A =TUF Gaming B560M-PLUS GAMING =TUF Gaming B560M-E =B560 Steel Legend =B560 Pro4 =B560M Pro4 =B560I GAMING EDGE WIFI =GA-B560M-D3P =B560MX-E PRO =B560MX-H PRO =B560-G GAMING =B560I AORUS PRO AX =B560 DS3H AC =B560GTQ =PRIME B560-PLUS Sorry if it is quite long tho...
I would say even in previous recent years, mid range Z (and X) series boards have ran from $180-$280 or so. $300 to $350 is where the high end boards started, so this isn't that far off. What's weird is calling a $300 Z series board mid range when B series boards exist.
Avoid the Z490 Gigabyte Aorus Elete AC as the on board WiFi keeps dropping the link. Repeated updated over the past 7 months have not stabilise the WiFi. You have been warned. Very poor.
ASRock delivers quite a respectable result here. But the way they banned HUB is not respectable.
Talk about hiding something from HUB...
Just gotta say, good job on this. As always, very in depth reviews and very helpful. Keep it up!
Saved me from getting the Z590 Aorus Pro AX! Thanks!
These prices damn. I got my gigabyte b550 auros pro AC for 150 bucks us. Bought it “used-like new” on amazon and it was literally a brand new in box board. Everything was still sealed, but I got to pay 150 bucks versus the 210 msrp. Very happy. The 12 phase vrm is complete overkill for the power draw of the 5800x, but if I ever want to plop in a 5950x it should have zero problems handling it!
I know right ? I got a B550 Aorus Master for like 260 bucks man and you can't even get a Z590 board with a similar price that comes close to the god-like VRMs on my board
That's Intel motherboards for you: Always overpriced.
Got my B550 Pro and its very good, aside from the usb disconnecting issue (which i fixed with bios update) overall its cool and offer assload of feature and connectivity. VRM is a beast and i dont even OC XD
B560M Aorus Pro also has the 12 phase VRM (50A SIC). Costs less than 140 Euros here...
@@goldenwing8184 I did the fix that Buildzod said and never had an issue even before the Bios update.
I'm once again asking for b560 vrm test 😅
Indeed, Z590 is interesting but I would like to know how much can I cheap out on the mobo when going for a non k cpu
@@mastroitek Same opinion, I think that the majority of us like the idea of saveing some money on the mobo and cpu (with non K SKUs) with a diminishing drop in performance. It is a good trade off
Yes we need this...
@@itwasntme761 not to mention that lga1200 is most likely death till the end of this year lol
@@itwasntme761 especially when its for gaming first and foremost, with the GPU being the bottleneck for performance before CPU even gets close usually anyway
Waiting for B560 reviews 😬
high end b560 > mid range z590
Well, if you can bypass disabled overclocking then yes.
@@PwopYT3811 The K isn't worth it these days.
It is
@@OCDyno Maybe if you enjoy playing Call of Duty: Cinebench.
Memebench sucks lol
How is $300 a midrange option? I used to do fine with $100 motherboards. Dayumn market
I suspect its Intel jacking the prices of the chipset, as the board makers have to license the chipset through Intel.
If you look at AMD, you can buy a board like the X570 Tomahawk which falls around 250 and that's starting to get into what I'd consider "high end" for a mobo.... considering you could be just as happy with a 170 dollar B550-F Strix, or even a B550 tomahawk.
@@SPIRIT-117
you're correct there, when back in december trying to get a B460 board for my 10400 since The 3600 was too expensive and our of stock and no integrated graphics, it was pretty hard finding a good ATX B460 board for a low price for under £100, the majority of B460's started at £130 and higher, if i went AMD i would of gotten the B450 F from Asus or the tomohawk from MSI for a good price, i ended up getting the MSI B460 Torpedo, couldn't find any reviews on the board, brought it on Ebay for £97 brand new from CCL computers and got it 2 days earlier with fast shipping and free delivery, the board has decently good looks, 5 months later and no problems, though if i was to upgrade CPU's i might consider getting the 10700 non K while using the same board since its not a OC board, but either way its for gaming and on a budget and the fact im locked to using 10th gen and not 11th gen only on B460 and H410, though 11th gen such as the 11900K and 11700K seems pretty rough so i guess i won't be missing out on anything big other than the 11600K or 11400 😅
@@SPIRIT-117 The Tomahawk actually used to be $200 over a long time, great deal. B550 pricing is also pretty good overall. It‘s a shame that Intel boards have gotten so expensive.
Please do a B560 round up
yeah, who would need an overkill, overpriced z590 for 8 core maximum that's not even have any meaningful oc headroom
@@hoangd4132 HARDCORE GAMERS OF COURSE
@@hoangd4132 idiots. that's who.
Could you maybe, while you give the backplate usb count, add a little overview on the side with the amount of sata, m.2, fan headers on the board? That way it would be easy to mentally exclude boards that won't serve the personal non-vrm needs. Thanks for all the testing!
These videos aren't for showcasing every feature of each board, they're for eliminating boards with inadequate VRMs.
You should be able to research the features you care about in your own time.
Of all the auto subtitle fuck ups 'Hover on Box' is my new favourite. :D
Glad I went for the TUF-Z590 and paired it with a 10900 non k. Thanks for the reviews again.
awesome
nice seems like asus did a good job with my x570 tuf and your z590 tuf. both good vrms
I'm looking forward to the B560 roundup coverage. A B560 board with an unlocked power limit sounds like the optimal choice for most people on this platform given RKL's low OC headroom.
Is it me or are motherboards getting a lot more expensive? I remember not so long ago a $300 motherboard was pretty high end, certainly not mid-tier. I've got a mid tier Haswell motherboard I got for ~200 new and nowadays It looks like I'd have to pay $500+ to get similar features for a modern chipset (Talking about stuff like a troubleshooting LCD, dual bios, on-board start button, voltage measurement points, things like that)
Could be. If we go way back I remember paying the exact same amount that I paid for my i5 2500k on my asus Z68-v pro which was a mid-high end mobo. Now boards of that range are more equal to an i7 price... Which is quite a lot.
its mostly intel motherboards that are overpriced as fuck
@@246bro9 some are just as high on AMD Ryzen, but it's not Intel or AMD themselves, motherboard manufacturers are in competition as well. trying to outdo the other, it's like how flashy and fancy can i make my board, but what are you really buying. are you buy a solid piece of quality, or is looks and rgb more important than quality. it has to be one or the other, im the type that goes just give me a board that works with good vrms and a decent number of ports in the back. nobody in there right mind needs 4 m.2 slots and 8 sata slots, i only have a 500gb ssd as a boot drive and for the os, and i have a 4TB for games and everything else, that's more than enough.
maybe at a data center or high server place, then they might need that, but none of those places are gonna want a gamer looking board with tons of rgb all over the place. all these companies make gamer looking boards, because they all got it in there head that's all what people do. half the time i barely put on a game, i might throw something on once in awhile, it just depends on my mood.
Are you guys still blacklisted by Asrock?
Affirmative.
@@Hardwareunboxed oof
@@Hardwareunboxed Wow. And it's not like the review on the Z490 boards wasn't warranted.
Thank you so much for the great detail you put into testing. Waiting for the B560 video.
ASRock EXTREME Z590 is a fantastic $130 board paired with a $260 11700K locked at 4GHz all core while maxed out with 128GB of Corsair VENGENCE LPX 3200 and topped off with a quad port NIC to total 6 ethernet ports. Samsung 980 Pro to boot and then a Crucial P5 Plus for all of my imaginary computers. BIOS version L2.22 Beta released January 19th 2024 helped with manually tightening up the RAM.
It has me teaching myself virtual machines and virtual networking while keeping temps fairly cool on my private cloud.
@Steve, nice to see the MSI boards are both near thr top of the chart and very cost effective.
Is the z590 Steel legend a good board for a 10600KA which I already have on hand? It's on sale now for $159.99.
Is x570 tomahawk wifi good for r7 5800x and 3080 build?? Or should I choose other mobo??
X570 tomahawk is the best choice for me
Solid mobo should run it with ease (the best at it's pricepoint). Unless you use a shit mobo, the mobo isn't going to impact the performance by any noticeble margin. So if it has the features you need, you are good with this one.
MSI and Asus have the best memory support.
The MSI X570 Tomahawk is an excellent board, it'll easily handle a 5950X with ease so your combination will be totally fine.
X570 TUF is VFM... if u want to save some bucks :)
I love my Z590 Aorus Elite
Me too)
I just gotta say thanks for making all these vids, spent over three hours watching them so far. I just built my first custom build and did not do enough research on the motherboard. I've had nothing but problems with Gigabyte's Z590 UD and my i7-10700K. Currently shopping to replace the gigabyte board(honestly think it's damaged at this point.)
get asus or msi ones
Steve we need a intel/amd itx boards round up please
He did it for amd already
@@riba2233 omg your right,slipped my mind somehow.
About the power limits, I personally think that staying sticking to the Intel specification by default is the best option.
Yes you may leave some performance on the table, however increasing the power limit also increase power consumption and with that thermals and noise.
Comparing the Asrock's power and frequency, you are increasing the cpu power consumption by 58% to get a 8% bump in frequency.
I would argue that doing that out of the box really is not a good thing at all.
I would see them sticking to the Intel limits as a good thing.
Thanks for the great content Steve 👍🏼
Great review even though I'm not looking into the intel eco system at the moment I found this informative and entertaining....yes...I'm a nerd. :P
these videos really helped me decide on what board to buy in the end, thanks!
I'm using the Z590 Aorus Pro AX & has been an awesome mobo. I have everything that I need and then some.
I never ran this fast here before
1 thing to note that is the Z590 Pro4, Extreme 6E and Steel Legend sharing the same VRM configuration but there's a big difference in temperature ~16*c. I don't believe their differences in heatsink design causing that prob. Also in the chart at 13:18, why Phantom Gaming 4 showed up here when we only talk abt mid-high tier z590 mobo? They cost less 50$ than the z590 p prime from Asus ?
EXTREME Z590 BIOS version L2.22 Beta released January 19th 2024 on website.
How the hell did gigabyte drop the ball that hard on the Z590 boards , considering the great VRMs on their X570 aorus elite/pro, and Z390/Z490 Aorus elite/pro boards. I dont get it.
When i bought my board they were sold out of the tomahawk so had to settle with the b450 gaming plus.It lacks a few features but i swear by these boards now.I had 0 issues running for more than 2 years already.I only have an r5 2600 but it's a perfect cpu for this board.I wanted to upgrade to a 3600 when prices dropped but i ready up your review on techspot and it's really not worth it consider i would pay around 120% for little performance increase.
I just got the Asus strix z590a with a 10850k. I’m excited to see how it will be after the the build is complete.
Please tell me how it went! I just bought the same motherboard with an i9-10900kf.
@@endeliggnist5066 it went VERY well. Except for a hiccup LOL. If you have an m.2 ssd DO NOT use the slot close to to the cpu. It will not work. Use the second one behind the gpu. I am very happy with it and should last me 3 to 5 years. Now to find a gpu but I am currently using my 2080 super.
@@Blaquegold Thank you for your input!
@@endeliggnist5066 you are welcome. Good luck with your build.
Awesome review, was thinking to get the Z590-A :) Thought you said "Eshaaaayy" not "Visha" LOL ;)
Im glad I chose the MSI mag z590 Tomahawk for my build. Got it pretty cheap
Always,always amazing videos,thank you very much!
I feel like when we're getting into sub 80c temps on an OC'd 11900k, I would stop caring about VRM thermals. All these boards run 50c under their limit.
Z590 asrock extreme (non wifi) is the cheapest in my country its $240, while Aorus elite is $253.5 and Asus tuf wifi is around $268. Both MSI above is around $325
I love these group tests. However, how reliable is using the PCB backside for measuring VRM performance? I feel that with the way components are installed on motherboards, the # of layers in the PCB and other factors, the PCB backside temperature vs actual chip temp always varies. For example, an 8 layer PCB will typically perform worse than say a 4 layer PCB for the same VRM setup for this specific measurement methodology.
Something to keep in mind about the Aorus Pro AX Motherboard (4:40) is that there is the potential for the board to randomly cut all audio to static until the audio source is paused. Just thought I'd point that out.
I think have heard people say that is fixed now with the most recent Realtek driver.
Great review, wish I would have seen it sooner so I would have known more about the difference between the msi boards. I got the tomahawk wifi when now I think I should have gone with the gaming board.
I had a z270a that just died recently. Stuck with asus and got the 590a paired with a 11700k.
Asus makes great boards
Well, I'm definitely getting the "ASUS ROG STRIX Z590-A GAMING WIFI".:)
Why are boards shipping in 2021 equipped with USB 2.0 ports?
A) USB 3.0 is fully backwards-compatible with 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0.
For the extremely-rare devices that don't support that MAYBE one port would be plenty... some of these have 4 wasted ports on them...
Really wanting to see z590 pg velocita vs taichi vs hero vs -e vs master vs ultra vs gaming carbon vs ace vs unify
So sad the Gigabyte z590m UD doesn't use the same VRM as the ATX version. It appears to be listed as 8+1
I would love to se ITX motherboards test here, you are doing amazing job!
The Gigabyte mystery - interesting. You're right something is weird here. It might come from the board design, again you may be right, but just out of curiosity, have you checked the contact between the heatsink and the VRMs?
any plans of adding ITX into the mix?
I like that Steve says "Asrock is the only board that sticks to Intel's TDP spec out of the box" like it's a bad thing. That's how a motherboard should perform. Unless I tell it otherwise, it should deliver stock, to spec, performance.
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@@Hardwareunboxed You don't know what you're talking about
Do explain please?
@@Hardwareunboxed No
That's a shame, your comment history to date has been quite good really. After commenting quite regularly on the channel for 2 years this is the first time I've ever interacted with you, in fact 90% of your comments don't have a single reply despite being generally good comments. Anyway like I said, a shame, but I won't bother again.
A B560 roundup would be brilliant.
For 11400f, b560 Tomahawk or Z590 Gaming Plus?
A video idea/challenge for you: there's LOADS of "budget PC build" videos, so instead, find the very best online pre-build customisable PC that people can order, with every dollar spent well & justifiably, that is as close to £4,000 (about $5,600 US) as possible (within a couple of hundred either way - that's the challenge). Then justify why, if a customer has that money to spend & wants an amazing desktop gaming PC (excluding monitor and peripherals), why you have chosen the components wisely, to give great value per £/$ even at that level. Performance (including ample power, quiet and amazing cooling even when greatly overclocked CPU & GPU) comes first, but once you cap that then appearance (like ARGB with your custom water cooling) is bonus points. :)
no comments about TUF?
Is it bad?
test the b560 next
Brilliant review appreciated thanks!
Asrock Z590 EXTREME WIFI in in umart at $169 aud or $125 USD.. if you are in Aussie land grab a bargain.
EXTREME Z590 BIOS version L2.22 Beta released January 19th 2024 on website.
Jesus, what's going on with MOBO's prices?
Plz do a z590 video on $300 to $500 motherboards
Please review the b560 boards
hi i really like your channel
I have a problem with the motherboard gigabyte z590 aorus ultra with processor i7 11700k at any attempt to overclock the processor the motherboard loses the LAN card
any ideas ?
Wait, is the high-end already tested?
As always fantastic work, can't wait for B560 boards.
good stuff. ty!
I don't understand why manufacturers don't move to mesh I/O shields, especially for boards that have active VRM cooling... blowing straight into a plastic wall.
What about Gigabyte Vision series?
If I may suggest an addition to the testing, check the temps of the capacitors as they are more affected by high temps than the rest of the VRM. Why? Well Buildzoid took a look at the Pro AX too and found that the power plane between the CPU socket and the Caps became REALLY hot (hotter than the power stages and inductors) and that in turn heated the caps... reporting the capacitor temperature (and the area between the socket and caps would be nice too) here would've helped explain the results you got.
The PCB beneath the capacitors is also measured, typically though the hottest part of the VRM is either beneath the inductors or powerstages.
@@Hardwareunboxed typically yes, but on the Pro AX the power plane is actually much hotter lol. But good to know you also measure behind the caps! But strange that you didn't see the elevated temp there like BZ did. Possibly different board revisions? I dunno.
I mean I did, it was worse than the budget boards. His test conditions though were entirely different. A lot of the heat would be spilling over from the CPU in that test, it wasn't exactly real world. Also what's the reference? How do you know other boards wouldn't have run hot under those test conditions?
@@Hardwareunboxed because BZ said he's never seen that happen on other boards. I mean, the PCB between the caps and the CPU socket being hotter than the power stages doesn't make sense lol. I sure can't explain how that's even possible lol. Extreme level of resistance? But that would cause the voltage drop to be very high and I don't think the drop was that extreme in his tests, I might be wrong there though.
@@Hardwareunboxed IIRC the PCB reached above 125C.
i think asrock has easy features in bios to bypass PL... maybe you need update the bios if not there yet... i can run easily bypass 11700 147w sustained load with ASRock Z590 steel legend in my reviews...
EXTREME Z590 BIOS version L2.22 Beta released January 19th 2024 on website.
Steve ... Can you do a short video on how to remove the asrock z590 125w power cap... Cheers
BIOS
will testing z590 hight end? Like z590 MSI gaming force
Tomahawk, Gaming Plus or Tuf gaming for 200 USD each?
gaming plus for sure
steve u didnt review the gigabyte z590 vision g's vrm tho
Can someone help here? So i bought 2 MSI Z590 motherboards. Do i really need to connect a plug to the 6 pin PCIe connector at the bottom of the motherboard??
I love this series... always cheering on for the Tomahawks
Other reviewers have found the aorus pro ax is running overly hot as well. Looks like gigabyte messed up somewhere.
How about 2700X vs 2600X in 2021. Does 6 core can still keep up in 1080p...
I would like to see your reviews and opinions on the gigabyte Aero X570S and the ASUS X570 proart boards
Buildzoid went in depth investigating the heat problems on the Aorus AX but even he can't figure out the issue, only that the power plane gets waaaay too 🔥🔥🔥
its bios... gigabyte suck in bios
asus rog strix b560-g gaming wifi or giGABYTE B560 AORUS PRO AX. Which one is best with core i5 11400?
plz test b560 boards
itx?
Gigabyte you were doing so well why the heck did your more expensive board had the same temps as your budget boards. LOL!
As always, every motherboard manufacturers should someway fuccs up their lineup in any generation.
seems weird to me, hopefully it's something that can be fixed with a BIOS/Firmware update, cause those results definitely don't seem right given the VRM components they're using.
@@arrowdynamlc We need "Actually Hardcore Overclocking" to explain these results!!
Maybe their thinking is that once you have low enough VRM temperatures (with suboptimal airflow), there is no benefit in reducing them further. You'd be better off improving the feature set or tweaking the visuals. (The higher end models with more efficient components could pull ahead in more airflow limited scenarios, though.)
Also, how about the opposite perspective: Most manufacturers have extended their good VRM designs and cooling from the upper mid-range offerings downward, so the differences are now relatively minor.
@@conyo985 he already has a video about the Pro AX.
Do all VRMs have the same max safe temperatures? I feel like just because 1 VRM runs 10C hotter than another doesnt mean its worse if it has 20C higher safe temps...just my 2 cents.
VRMs are good up to about 120c as I recall
Lower temp is best regardless of safe temperature as they won’t melt themselves, they’ll just throttle the CPU
Plus they run more efficiently at lower temps
No, not always, but in general the range isn't very large. Most VRM MOSFETs are rated for up to about 105C, ranging from 90C (on old or very low-end models) to 120C.
VRM inductors can also usually run hotter than the MOSFETs, and capacitors can't run as hot.
You don’t have to worry about VRM temp until it approach 100C in general. So it usually shouldn’t be a concern for mid to high end boards. Compared to running at 50C, running at 70C won’t cause noticeable performance difference nor will if affect the lifespan of hardware in any meaningful way.
Plz make a video about b560 motherboards
I've always used Gigabyte but the past few years I've started losing faith in them
Have switched between Asus and Gigabyte since.. 2005? Had MSI prior. My gigabyte z97-X gaming 7 has been rock solid now for 7 years as a daily with ZERO issues. Best board I've owned. Went for the Asus TUF-Z590 this time though.
I have Asus prime Z590P and 11700F.....what do u think guys ?
msi z590 gaming plus...its coming....thanks...
Gigabyte isn't going to like your editorial directions. They're going to write nasty letter.
Just the facts..just the facts.
Except they probably won't. They haven't done that in the past... It's a meme I get but think they're happier that it's been found and reported as opposed to have slipped through
Except they probably won't. They haven't done that in the past... It's a meme I get but think they're happier that it's been found and reported as opposed to have slipped through
Wow, so there are almost none of these boards that can get the rated all-core turbo? That’s really terrible.
Are there similar problems with Ryzen? I know there’s no rated all-core turbo, but there ought to be a *typical* all-core turbo we can measure against.
Is Z590-F and Z590-A has the same VRM?
I think yes.
These videos are awesome
Those gold/orange caps look like chemical electrolytics, ie, not solid caps. I hope they are Nichicon/Panasonic.
Buildzoid found that the power plane on the Gigabyte Aorus Pro AX runs crazy hot. So that's probably the issue.
These chips draw almost 400 watts when overclocked? Or is that with cuda enabled on blender? Because fuuuuuu
You aren't cooling 380W of power draw with an AIO under 100C, so either it's total system draw, it's totally unreal scenario(moving throttling beyond 100C, but it can damage the CPU) or measurement is wrong.
y does going from "stock" 4.8 to overclock 4.9 ghz double power usage?
Increased voltage.
@@gamingunboxed5130 godamn, knew efficency would go out the window but thats just pitiful
@@gamingunboxed5130 Is the "stock" 4.8GHz constant on all cores?
It surprises me that efficiency would fall off a cliff so badly between 4.8 and 4.9GHz.
@@nathangamble125 the 4.8 "stock" overclock is what most boards came up with so you can't really imagine doing too much better manually these days. Technology caught up far enough to the point the parts can determine optimal setups themselves pretty darn well.
Waiting for the VRM review of the following B560 boards that I wish will be tested whether or not these boards can handle the i9 processor:
=TUF Gaming B560-PLUS GAMING
=B560M PRO-VDH WIFI
=B560 TOMAHAWK/TORPEDO
=B560M MORTAR/BAZOOKA
=B560M AORUS ELITE/PRO
=B560 AORUS PRO AX
=B560M D3H
=B560 D3H
=B560M-A
=TUF Gaming B560M-PLUS GAMING
=TUF Gaming B560M-E
=B560 Steel Legend
=B560 Pro4
=B560M Pro4
=B560I GAMING EDGE WIFI
=GA-B560M-D3P
=B560MX-E PRO
=B560MX-H PRO
=B560-G GAMING
=B560I AORUS PRO AX
=B560 DS3H AC
=B560GTQ
=PRIME B560-PLUS
Sorry if it is quite long tho...
U mentioned the H150i twice
It's amazing to think that we now live in a world where "mid range" motherboards range from $225 to $320!
Let me introduce you to inflation ;)
Well these are high end boards (z590) low end z590 would start at like 140 dollars so its not really weird
@@Hardwareunboxed right but dont yuh think it too much.
I would say even in previous recent years, mid range Z (and X) series boards have ran from $180-$280 or so. $300 to $350 is where the high end boards started, so this isn't that far off. What's weird is calling a $300 Z series board mid range when B series boards exist.
@@MichaelLong777 z590 is added wd lots of high quality vrams, large heatsinks, hdmi 2.0 pci 4.0. + pandemic tax
nice as always :)
Avoid the Z490 Gigabyte Aorus Elete AC as the on board WiFi keeps dropping the link. Repeated updated over the past 7 months have not stabilise the WiFi. You have been warned. Very poor.