People will tremble in fear at Armageddon as it means their destruction forever. Revelation 6:16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Hell is a different concept. Jesus ended up in hell (Acts 2:27).
@@LightoverDarkMinistryJesus christ said people will hate and speak lies about his only true followers the Jehovah's witnesses, Mathew 5:10-12,Luke 6:22-23,John 15:19-21,but nothing satan and his people can do to stop the JW's because Jehovah God is with them, Isaiah 8:10,and Jesus christ is with them, Mathew 28:19-20.
@@vusimngomezulu2500we do not have to try and stop you as your imagination requires of you to think this way. With your generation time line running out since 1914 which is over 100 years. People are becoming Awake to the governing body lies. With the overlapping generation interpretation is one step too far hence the reason why people are leaving the watchtower organization
“Liars, murderers, child m**alters are punished eternally” Cold line that needs to be said. My heart goes out to any ex-JW survivor that were abused as children❤️
ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live. Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s For you have turned your attention to them To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
As a former JW, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your apologetics mixed with humor! My favorite part of the video was overlaying the JW arguments of God being love disproving hell while showing the Armageddon artwork from their publications.
Former JW? May we ask how one became a JW in the first place? Perhaps, filled a form, gave a bribe or donation, or self appointed oneself? Sounds a fake comment. BTW Armageddon is a destruction. Torture chambers in outer space with fires burning without oxygen is someone's imagination going extra wild.
ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live. Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s For you have turned your attention to them To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
@@tongakhan230 thanks, and it can also apply to the resurrection as v19 mentions - Your dead will live. My corpses* will rise up.w Awake and shout joyfully, You residents in the dust!x For your dew is as the dew of the morning,* And the earth will let those powerless in death come to life.*
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 :Isaiah 26:19. The prophet Isaiah painted this touching picture of the resurrection: “Thy dead live, their bodies will rise again. They that sleep in the earth will awake and shout for joy; for thy dew is a dew of sparkling light, and the earth will bring those long dead to birth again.”-Isaiah 26:19, The New English Bible. Compare Acts 24:15. What has that to do with Babylon and its destruction??????????
Thank you for explaining the word so easy that even a child would understand. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”🙌 Luke 18:17
They used to have a song based on Matthew 10:28 where they literally sang in the chorus "Fear not those who kill the body but can't not destroy the soul." I remember at least once as a teen looking at those lyrics and going "huh?"
@@Scott48-m7e the "huh?" was more because born into a JW family I was raised to believe that body meant body and soul meant body. So "Fear not those who kill the body, but can not destroy the body" was some odd phrasing to me. But I was a good little Witness and buried those questions deep deep down
@@Scott48-m7e Those man made JWs doctrinal lies and false teachings such as no hell fire or no immortal soul are not salvation teachings that "believing in or not believing in" will keep any one from entering the Kingdom of God. It's ridiculous to even debate these topics, even debating the trinity is a waste of time! But lonely goofy people like to go online seeking attention from complete strangers just to feel better about their mundane pathetic lives. It's entertainment to these weirdos. Which tells me either they are closet atheist pretending to be JWs or DF'd JWs so lost and confused about what to believe that they just attack anything that's not Watchtower. ***What ultimately matters is following and having faith in the true Christ - John 3:16, John 14:6, keeping the laws, statues and commandments - John 15:10 and turning away from sin - Acts 3:19.*** 1. Following and Faith in Christ 2. Keep God's Commandments 3 Stop Sinning! Those are the most important things that matter!
It is so horribly wicked that Jehovah’s witnesses twist the bible by knowingly changing words in the bible to fit their doctrine. Only after I quit Jehovah’s witnesses I learned of this horrible practice of them. Thank you for making these video’s, I learn a lot from them.
For your information, the translators of the KJV changed MANY Scriptures to support the hell and trinity FALSE DOCTRINES. They also ADDED many Scriptures that do not belong.
All these verses were added to the KJV: The verses are Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29; and Romans 16:24. Where is your criticism of Christendom's Scripture additions?
GOD only promised ETERNAL LIFE for those who exercised faith in Jesus and the Father. GOD won't give eternal life to wicked people and torture them forever. so why do you make GOD A LITERAL TORTURER?
@Mr. D. C. Exercising faith in Jesus is another wt term not in the Bible, only in their bible because their beliefs are different, hence a different bible. Jesus talks about hell. Lazarus and the rich man, for example.
@@dianeexley1709 that's just your own false opinions. actually, the Greek word means "commit (to trust), put in trust with" it's related word means "2) the general quality or characteristic of being unwavering in such profession (fidelity, faithfulness, commitment) 2a) continuance of faith in one's profession." so exercise faith is a better translation
Could we state that the body is the barrel and the soul is the content, or the soul is the software and the body the hardware? And that our spirit rest in gods hand until resurrection, just like software is preserved in the cloud until it is retrieved?
@@Scott48-m7e Yes, death will be. The end will come, judgement and separation for the wicked, life for the righteous in Christ, who will never die again. Are you a universalist?
I agree with the JWs stance on this issue to an extent. I believe the Bible soes xonvey clearly that the final judgment will be with fire. But i see overall the consequence for sin is death from the very beginning. Jesus said to fear not man who can kill the body but can not touch the soul but to fear Him who can DESTROY soul and body in hell. Either one is an absolutely horrific fate. It is good to know the truth of what God says about life after death.
Please, let people from other Religions tell us what they believe about "Hell Fire" For me,if sinners should be cast into Hell fire to burn forever but would not die,then,with time,I think, they would get used to the fire. Just like the story found in the "Parable of the Rich man and the Lazarus", to a point, the Rich man in Hell saw Lazarus in Heaven and then begged Lazarus to give him a drop of water to drink. Honestly,I can't imagine the possibility of someone who is inside busy burning fire begging for water. Maybe he is now used to it or has turned to fire himself.
Actually the allegorical story about the Rich man and the Beggar was Jesus targeting two LIVING GROUPS in his day. No one can have a conversation across any gulf without a phone. No water to be got and no fingers available to dip into water. It would also mean that 'heaven' and hell are an arms length away.
What happens to the Bible hell/hades according to Revelation 20:14? Clue. It’s the same thing that happens to death in the future. “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”-KJV
GOD only promised ETERNAL LIFE for those who exercised faith in Jesus and the Father. GOD won't give eternal life to wicked people and torture them forever. so why do you make GOD A LITERAL TORTURER?
Just a question. If hell is some torture chamber in outer space for sinners, how did Jesus end up in hell? (Acts 2:27). Peter tell us that Jesus was sinless.
@@12firehose : Did Jesus go to HELL and get tortured ETERNALLY? Acts 2:27 KJV Because thou wilt not leave my soul in HELL, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. This is the prophecy that God will not allow Jesus' body to rot. God will resurrect Jesus before that happened. Within 3 days it was fulfilled. (Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. (Peter testifying). If interested, HELL means the GRAVE. Not some oxygen-less fire in some torture chamber in outer space conjured up in the minds of some sadists. Jehovah God is LOVE. Torture doesn't even comes to his mind. Jehovah's Christian Witnesses fit this prophecy. (John 13:35) By this all will know that you are MY DISCIPLES-if you have LOVE among yourselves.” Take the above into account and check the scriptures again. If something doesn't SEEM TO FIT please let me know.
Nice video as usual but don't you think people burning in hell for eternity means sin will exist forever? Thought christ brought about victory over death meaning end of sin. Jude 1:7 can create context on the 'forever' used.
What a lovely God they worship. The wages sin pays is…..death. Think about what Adam was told was the penalty of disobedience. Where did God say he would go?
A few thoughts on aspects of this video. After admitting fairly early on that "Many Christians don't believe in Hell as a place. Just annihilationism." And "Even those who do believe it's a place, it's debated exactly what happens. Is it darkness and regret? Literal fire and brimestone?" You go on to say that you are "Not really here to prove either one". So what IS the point of this video? Disagreeing with witnesses JUST to disagree with Witnesses? On Words: The NWT Translation of 2 Thessalonians 1:9 as "everlasting destruction" holds up with 39 out of the 62 translations provided on the Biblegateway website (Either "Eternal" or "Everlasting" destruction). Funny how opposer's pick-and-choose when it's appropriate to translate literally, and when it's not. So - With no justification whatsoever - Christendom has John 8:58 as "I AM" (By "no justification" I mean claiming it's an allusion to Exodus 3:14) but "I have been" at John 14:9, and "I am he" at John 4:26. Or how about Colossians 1:16 where Christendom INSISTS on a literal translation of "all things", even though they are happy to translate the same elsewhere as "all other" (Luke 13:12), "all the other" (Luke 21:29), or "all the others" (Philippians 2:21), for example. On Jehovah's Character: Not for the first time in this series of videos you have avoided referencing verses that commonly come up when Witnesses discuss a particular topic, in favour of verses that we don't use quite so much. Making out that the verses you do state, are our main argument. How about Jeremiah 32:35? "Furthermore, they built the high places of Baʹal in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire to Moʹlech, something that I had not commanded them and that HAD NEVER COME INTO MY HEART TO DO SUCH A DETESTABLE THING, causing Judah to sin.’" How could this verse have any meaning if Hell were a literal place of torment? Death would have been quick in such a case as this verse talks about. If Jehovah found that abhorrent, why would eternal torment for a relatively short, sinful life be acceptable? ESPECIALLY, if - as you claim in a previous video - (The False God of Jehovah's Witnesses) God knows from before a person is even born, what their fate will be? (In that video at the 10:03 mark, you say you didn't want to get into the whole "Predestination" debate, which I took as a tacit admission that you knew that word would likely spring up in listeners minds and was a hole in your argument) Where is the justice (And love) in that?
Your response is exactly why I created this content. That and to point out the flaws in their reasoning, the lies, and give an alternative view. Also you missed the point of Jeremiah, God isn’t creating a place of sin, God is issuing judgment on sinners, THAT entered his mind. It’s not about the place of Gehenna, it’s the coming judgement on a wicked people, that is called the lake of fire.
Eternal hell and eternal paradise, all that follow Jesus by the holy spirit will be in eternal paradise, all that reject the holy spirit will be in eternal hell! The question is do we have this free gift, the power of salvation to follow Jesus into eternal paradise!
G'day Matt, I notice you are defending the WT's view on Hell. Have you stopped to think that on many other issues we have discussed (and where you haven't been able to provide an answer especially regarding the Men of Sodom and the identity of the FDS) these men in New York have got sooooo many things wrong ie Armageddon was prophesied 7 times and they got it wrong 7 times over 125 years. Sodom and Gomorrah 7 times the inhabitants would resurrected and then not resurrected Jesus was not the the Archangel Michael and now He is. Jesus was to be worshipped and now He is not. Charles Russell was the FDS and now he is not The Great Pyramid was the Bible in stone and now it is not. Shunning was an evil thing and now it is not. Worshipping 2 Gods for over 75 years etc etc etc The law of averages is predicting these 9 Men you are following have stuffed this one up also. If, over 100 years, every time they predicted Armageddon, NOTHING HAPPENS. These Men with the self proclaimed title of the FDS, have got an ETERNAL issue wrong. You are gambling on the presumption they have got this doctrine correct. I'm not a gambling man, and this organisation has a track record of getting their doctrine wrong again and again and again. Gambling on this issue isn't worth it. 125 years of Armageddon false prophesies is just the tip of the iceberg. The worshipping of 2 Gods being Jesus and Jehovah the Father for over 75 years should ring alarms bells. I cannot find any passage to support worshipping 2 Gods. Thanks.
G'day again Matt, I noticed there was no response to the points I made of complete and utter failure of Jehovah's Prophet. With 40 years of studying the Watchtower, and please correct me if I am wrong, but out of EVERY Prophecy the Faithful and Discreet Slave has ever uttered,( being Mr Russell , The Anointed, and the Governing Body which was INVENTED or CREATED in 1971) not one, and I mean not one prediction has ever happened. a 100 Percent failure rate. These same men state there is no Hell. These same men who state that the doctrine of Hell is NOT in the bible are also the same men who said that all the dates for the 7 Armageddon failures WERE IN THE BIBLE. Can you see a pattern here, It must take an enormous amount of blind faith to follow these men. As I say to every Atheist, I don't have enough blind faith to be an Atheist. Christ asked us to follow him with faith, not blind faith. A response would be appreciated.
And pleeeeease! Pleeeease, learn how to pronounce Gehenna and Hades. It is NOT GehenYa”????!! And it is NOT “Hey-dOs”????!! 😳 Where did you find that “dos”? It’s DIS, not “dos.” 🙄 It is HEY-DIS (in English). But in Greek it’s just “ha-des” (phonetic pronunciation)! And it is GE-HENNA (“G” as in “get”). There is NO “Y.” I have never heard such ridiculous pronunciation of these two words.
I am not a JW but I agree with some of what they believe and this happens to be one of a few of them. So, if a fiery torturous hell is real and the wicked are tortured ALIVE for eternity then that would contradict the scriptures. God says the wicked shall not have eternal life but if they are being eternally tortured then they actually do have it. A pretty bad one but nevertheless eternal life. Also, why throw death and the grave into a torturous place. Can they be tormented eternally too? What most people are taught and believe about hell is not what hell actually is. Jesus said "the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church ". What did he mean? "Hell" is actually what is called the "grave". So what is "the gates of hell"? Those gates are metaphorical for death. To enter the grave/ "hell" one must experience / go through death. Death is the door or gate to gravedom. Sooo...Jesus was saying death would not prevail against the church since the TRUE church will be resurrected to eternal life at his appearing. Death has no power over them. Also, the scriptures are adamant about man dieing and sleeping in the dust of the ground until one of two Resurrections. Remember Genesis 3 vs 22, 23. They were exiled from the garden BEFORE they could eat from the tree of life and live forever. Also, man was created a living being/soul not an immortal one. Since the traditional "churchianity" torturous hell is a deceptive lie, what about their teaching of going to heaven. Is it also untrue? Again the Bible is very clear that man would stay dead until one of the Resurrections. God said of his son Jesus...."this is my beloved son, listen to him". If we are to listen to Jesus then why doesn't "churchianity" believe him when he said "blessed are the humble for they shall inherit the earth"? But, but wait Jesus, you have it all wrong. That can't be right. Since you are God, why is it you don't know the meek shall inherit heaven? Huh? Jesus is God? Really? If he truly IS God why does he say 4 times in Revelation 3 v 12 he has a God. Why does Paul, speaking of the glorified Jesus, say he is a man in 1 Timothy 2 v 5? Also, can God die? If Jesus is God and God can't die then Jesus could not have really died so woe to true believers for they are still in their sins and have no hope. Paul in 1st Corinthians 15 vs 27, 28 says everything but 1 has been put under christ. That 1 thing not in subjection to christ is God. Does this not also tell us Jesus is NOT God? Jesus is a one of a kind HUMAN son of God miraculously begotten by God's active power in the womb of Mary. Jesus's life began then. His only pre-existance was in God's plan before the foundation of the world. Jesus is the first fruits, the first born of humanity from the dead. I could go on but at this point I think I have said enough. I used to believe the churchianity lies until 2016. That is when I started questioning these teachings. It took a couple years to come to grips with the knowledge that I had been deceived on these and other matters since 1978. That is why I comment as I do......hoping others will consider these things and come to a more accurate knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Colossians 1:16-18 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Revelation 1:8, 18 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
The Bible say Jesus Christ is God Almighty, Creator, Alpha & Omega. It's a mystery according to 1 Timothy 3:16. A mystery is something that is not easily understood. Pray to God humbly to show you the Truth & get you out of confusion. Just as man has a body, spirit & soul, 1 Thess. 5:23, God who made man in His likeness is God the Father, the Word (Jesus) & the Holy Spirit. These three are one just as man is one though body spirit and soul. For humans who practise witchcraft, their spirits can leave their bodies to go else where for other activities. But the body becomes immobile during thus process. But For God Almighty, a part of Him can leave His body to go for an operation elsewhere and God the Father will still be alive & active because He's the God. I pray the Lord gives you understanding
@@repairersandrestorerstv6113 1 Timothy 3:16 [1331] The KJV is based on a corrupted manuscript here, reading “God was manifested…” The Greek has “he who was manifested…” referring to Jesus as the Son of God, defined by Luke 1:35.
Hellfire is an insult to God... *it pushes the idea that God cruelly keeps people alive just to torment them...forever!!* Why not just end their life? Isn't that the reason for punishment, to even things out or stop a person doing bad....? People go to hell if they have been bad right? Would it surprise you that the most unlikely person went to hell....? Psalms 16:10 King James Bible For *thou wilt not leave my soul in hell;* neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. New International Version because *you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,* nor will you let your faithful one see decay. New Living Translation *For you will not leave my soul among the dead* or allow your holy one to rot *in the grave.* Contemporary English Version I am your chosen one. *You won't leave me in the grave* or let my body decay. Hell is equal to expression to "Sheol", "realm of the dead" or "the grave." So who was said to go to hell, sheol, the realm of the dead, the grave? Acts 2:22-24 King James Bible 22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; *Jesus of Nazareth,* a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: *24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.* *25For David speaketh concerning him,* I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: *27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,* neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. New International Version *because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,* you will not let your holy one see decay. New Living Translation *For you will not leave my soul among the dead* or allow your Holy One to rot *in the grave.* Contemporary English Version *The Lord won't leave me in the grave.* I am his holy one, and he won't let my body decay. **So Jesus, God's own son went to hell when he died. Was he bad, was God/his father tormenting him?** What is it like in hell, the realm of the dead, the grave? Ecclesiastes 9:5 New Living Translation The living at least know they will die, *but the dead know nothing.* They have no further reward, nor are they remembered. Job asked to die and go to the realm of the dead, the grave, hell... Why? Because he was suffering so much due to the devil. Satan took his wealth away, killed his 10 children and then made Job sick. *Why would he then ask to go to where the devil apparently rules and torments people with fire forever?* Job 1:12 Amplified Bible *Then the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that Job has is in your power, only do not put your hand on the man himself.”* So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD. Job 2:7,8 Amplified Bible *7So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD and struck Job with loathsome boils and agonizingly painful sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.* 8And Job took a piece of broken pottery with which to scrape himself, and he sat [down] among the ashes (rubbish heaps). Job 14:13 Amplified Bible 13“Oh, that You would *hide me in Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead),* That You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, That You would set a definite time and then remember me [and in Your lovingkindness imprint me on your heart]! Job wanted to die. He knew that Hell, Sheol, the realm of the dead, the grave is just non-existence. He would not be suffering there... So Jesus went to hell, Sheol, the realm of the dead, the grave too when he died. Some may say Jesus preached to the spirits in hell...but WHEN was that? 1 Peter 3:19 New International Version *After being made alive,* he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits- Jesus was dead/non existent for parts of 3 days. In that time he was in Hell...no thoughts, no suffering, just not alive (the opposite of death). Would God torment people forever? Does the bible say that? 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 King James Bible 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, *8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction* from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; GOD'S WORD® Translation They will pay the penalty by being *destroyed forever,* by being separated from the Lord's presence and from his glorious power. **Jesus punishes people with everlasting....Destruction!! Not torment.** If you burn something in fire it is practically beyond repair/restoration. That is the meaning...ones who are destroyed in this way are dead forever! They are not living to be tormented forever. ***God would NEVER torture people in fire...it goes against his personality.*** Jeremiah 19:5 New International Version *They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.* New Living Translation *They have built pagan shrines to Baal, and there they burn their sons as sacrifices to Baal. I have never commanded such a horrible deed; it never even crossed my mind to command such a thing!*
When the Roman Catholic church came up with the hell fire torment teachings, and many have fallen for it, JWs must be 'crazy' to be no part of these. (Revelation 20:14) KJV And death and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. NASB Then Death and HADES were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. EHV Death and the GRAVE were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. The Greek word HADES is translated as HELL and the GRAVE. No fires in this Biblical hell. Just nothingness. Nonexistence until a resurrection bring these back into existence. Jesus too ended up in HELL when he died. All who die generally do. It is called the GRAVE. Acts 2:27 KJV Because thou wilt not leave my soul in HELL, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Let me ask you this. If I was this nice guy who gave to charity, had picnics with my family, called my mother...but then there was this side of me who had a basement under my house where I tortured people...would you want to be my friend? If not, why not?
No, because you're violating God's law, by killing innocent people. Are you comparing God to a serial killer? You do realize God killed people in the flood, people in Israel, other nations, and many more instances. You yourself believe Jehovah will kill billions of men women and children during Armageddon. Was God wrong for doing so? No, because God is judging sin, and is justified in doing so. You violate the laws of an eternal being, if he wants to give you eternal consequences, who are you to say he can't?
Are we to understand that hell is some oxygenless fire in outer space which is designed to torture people. Is so, how is it thrown into another fire called the Lake of fire? Revelation 20:14. Is it the fight fire with fire policy? Jesus was also in hell for parts of three days (Acts 2:27). He never mentioned being tortured after God resurrected him.
I would like to ask an important question. Keep in mind, I believe in the existence of "hell", and it isn't even operating at full strength yet, but it is a place of torment as Jesus taught. But, have you ever counted the times Jesus spoke of heaven and hell? I have, and you repeated something that I would like to know where the source is. I counted every time Jesus spoke of heaven and hell, and made hash marks to count them up, and he spoke quite a bit more of heaven than he did hell. So I am wondering where that statement originated. Everybody I asked said they just "heard" that somewhere and repeated it. So I studied it directly and found that statement to be false. Jesus spoke for of the Kingdom of Heaven than He did hell.
@@Scott48-m7e ALL will be resurrected. One is for those who have Christ as their Savior. The 2nd resurrection, the one you say doesn't exist, is a resurrection unto eternal judgement.
exjw Devil-inspired Teaching It was the Devil who told Eve: "You positively will not die." (Genesis 3:4; Revelation 12:9) But she did die; no part of her lived on. That the soul lives on after dearth is a lie started by the Devil. And it is also a lie, which the Devil has had spread, that the souls of the wicked are tormented in a hell or a purgatory. Since the Bible clearly shows that the dead are unconscious, these teachings could not be true. Actually, neither the word "purgatory" nor the idea of a purgatory is found in the Bible.
Yeah, I don’t believe in purgatory either. Does the Bible mention a place or weeping and gnashing of teeth where the devil is thrown and where there’s a lake that burns forever?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Psalm 112:10 is instructive concerning the wicked's end in this regard. The verses just before it describe the final glory of God's people. Verse 10 then says: "The wicked man will see and be vexed, he will gnash his teeth and waste away; the longings of the wicked will come to nothing." Gnash his teeth as he may, the wicked man's rage does him no good in the end. Even as he grinds his teeth, he comes to nothing (the KJV has "melt away"). Traditionalists make "gnashing of teeth" into conscious unending torment. The Bible pictures it as horrible rage, rage that is frustrated by the wicked's own inexorable destruction.
Everyone should research the other views on hell on RUclips. After collecting all the different Biblical texts the most logical view is, death is the punishment for sin not everlasting torment. Just think about it, how can a person be tortured forever and call it love? Love is not letting your loved ones suffer. That’s what God’s love is about not letting suffering go on. God said you will perish while others receive eternal life.
God‘s ways are not our ways, His are higher. I don’t think you would give your son for someone who just murdered your whole family would you? Well that’s what the Bible teaches. While we were still his enemies Christ died for us.(Romans 5:8-10) Also we must accept that there is a Hell. It’s not God is bad it’s that we cannot be in his presence if we’re not covered by the sacrifice of his son because HE IS HOLY and we are not. Revelation 20:15 ► Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
@@Robert-lo6uf The lake of fire means something. It symbolizes something. Irreversible destruction. (2 Peter 3:9) There are 2 roads Jesus spoke about. Where do they lead. One to life. The other to….?
The paradox. God gifts people everlasting life only so that he can torture them forever. The Bible clearly states that everlasting life is only given the righteous. (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Another video charlatan bites the dust fulfilling 2 Timothy 3:13.
Yeah, when heaven comes to earth in Rev 21. Tonga there’s a book I really recommend, but it does disprove all the JW doctrines, it’s called The Bible, I highly recommend it.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Heaven is coming to earth? That is going to cause confusion, wouldn't it. People wouldn't know if they are living in heaven or on earth. Please read Revelation 21:3,4. God's governance comes to earth. It changes condition on earth for humans to live without problems. Still, it seems a side track comment from what was posted at the start. The paradox. Explain how God is going to GIFT everlasting life to people in order to torture then FOREVER.
The teaching about eternal death on hellfire was a false, the real eternal death means, those who died but not believing Jehovah will never be resurrected, they are forever dead as eternal dead, Mark, 12:26-27 , Jesus answered them with question, " Concerning the dead to be raised up?????????, You are very BIG MISTAKE", therefore the Lake of fire symbolized only to GRAVES where maggots does not die, and the fire that does not put out is the hotness below the ground comes from the earth's core, Mark, 9:44-49,
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.>>> when you lookup "perish" in Strong's concordance it says ...to completely destroy........!Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Your spirit can't be destroyed, it's eternal! Their is eternal life or eternal death. Forever! Theirs many suffering eternal hell where the worm, the soul never dies.
@@williamacuff7707 Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Does Isaiah 66:22-24 tell us if hell is literal or symbolic? Compare Mark 9:48. Are there literally worms in hell, fire-resistant worms? What is there purpose if not symbolism? Will you literally observe a Sabbath? (Isaiah 66:23). Will those living with God literally look upon those suffering in hell every week for eternity? Will Death and hell literally suffer torment in hell? (Rev 20:14). (At 4:35) The thief next to Christ. Do you think a man who repents on his deathbed is a cinch for eternal life with Christ as a child of God? Children of God need to "have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil" (Heb 5:14 ESV). Maybe he is a cinch for being given a second chance in order to "grow up into salvation" (1 Peter 2:2 ESV). Ezekiel 28:16 (MKJV): "I _destroy_ you, O covering cherub." Ezekiel 28:19 (NRSV, LEB): "you shall _cease to exist_ forever." How can a cherub spirit being cease to exist? At 2 Peter 3:7 judgment is compared to destruction (Gr. apoleia). And at Ezekiel 28:16,19 destroy means cease to exist. So judgment = destruction = cease to exist, even in spirit form. According to God burning people is evil: Jer 7:30-31 (NRSV): "For the people have done _evil_ in my sight...to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire." So if burning people is evil, why would God do evil? "God is unversed in evils" (James 1:13 NENT).
“For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD. And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.” (Is. 66:22-24 ESV) “The new heavens and the new earth” - This speaks of the eschaton when God makes the new heavens and the new earth, which will last forever. “Your offspring and your name remain” - The redeemed shall also remain forever. “From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath” - There will be regular and perpetual worship before the Lord who will reign in Jerusalem. "And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.” - Those who have been redeemed will be perpetually reminded of those who did not obey and suffer eternally. The description of hell in this passage uses figurative lnaguage. If I were to tell a person in the jungle, who had never seen a city, what NY city looks like I would have to describe it in terms that the person could understand. Isaiah and Jesus describe hell as a place of eternal torment in language that people of their time would understand. === In Luke 23:43, Jesus promised the repentant thief that he would be with him that day in Paradise. Jesus made the promise, so your contention is with him. === Eze 28 is about the King of Tyre and only applied to Satan paradigmatically. The king would cease to live on earth forever and would no longer have sway over people. === 2Pe 3:7 - The word απωλεια is used of the beast in Rev 17:11. There the reader is told that the beast is going to destruction (εἰς ἀπώλειαν ὑπάγει). Does that mean the beast ceases to exist? No. If you read to the end of the book you find that, “the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” (Rev. 20:10 ESV) Destruction for the beast means that he is "tormented day and night forever and ever." It does not mean to cease to exist. === You said: [ According to God burning people is evil: Jer 7:30-31 (NRSV): "For the people have done evil in my sight...to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire." So if burning people is evil, why would God do evil? ] God said that killing people is evil, so why would God do evil? Do you see the problem with this argument? It ignores the justice of God. === I've addressed your objections, please address my evidence. Explain the following passages: “And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”” (Rev. 14:9-11 ESV) ““Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” (Matt. 25:41 ESV) “And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”” (Matt. 25:46 ESV)
Your organization rejects the doctrine of hell as unbiblical. On the other hand, your organization propagates that all people who are still alive in Armageddon and are not members of your organization are condemned to eternal annihilation. If Armageddon were to take place today, 8 billion people would be affected by this act of annihilation, including approximately 1.5 billion children aged 0-15 who, according to your organization's official teachings, cannot be admitted to baptism because of their young age. On the other hand, your organization teaches that all people who "accidentally" died before Armageddon should have the possibility of resurrection and eternal life. This group includes former persecutors of Christians, robbers, criminals, idolaters, adulterers, fornicators, rapists, exploiters, atheists, former worshipers of Babylonian, Greek, Egyptian and Roman gods and their priestly classes. Incidentally, also all members and active protagonists such as clergy and priests of the Catholic Church between the 4th and 20th centuries. Will God make the gift of eternal life dependent on the principle of "accident"? Will a just, merciful God require his true worshipers to take personal vows before people and members of the Governing Body to obtain final salvation, even if they have repeatedly been shown to be false prophets according to the teachings of the Bible? (See the end goal of your current Bible course: "Enjoy life forewer") Enjoy life forewer, "Page 254 ======================= Am I Ready to Get Baptized? You may be ready to get baptized if you . . . ˙ Are an unbaptized publisher. ˙ Share regularly in the preaching work as much as you can. ˙ Support and follow the direction of “the faithful and discreet slave.” -Matthew 24:45-47. ˙ Have dedicated yourself to Jehovah in prayer and want to serve him forever. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately, you have repeatedly avoided this question, which I have asked several times, and apparently with good reason. As a representative of your organization, how do you answer these crucial questions as part of a regular Bible study? You should be aware that it seems contradictory to an objective observer when you strongly condemn the teachings of other religions, but at the same time are unwilling to defend basic principles of your own religious community. Question: ======= Do you personally believe that if the event of Armageddon, long prophesied by your organization, occurs today, 8 billion people, including some 1.5 billion children, will be destroyed forever?
Dear David, the bible passage with the thief on the Cross goes like this: "Luke 23:42-43 (LSB Strong's) 42 And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” You claim this : "The thief next to Christ. Do you think a man who repents on his deathbed is a cinch for eternal life with Christ as a child of God? Children of God need to "have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil" (Heb 5:14 ESV). Maybe he is a cinch for being given a second chance in order to "grow up into salvation" (1 Peter 2:2 ESV)." Can you please show me where Jesus stated or implied this to the thief on the cross. Either Jesus forgot to tell the thief this AND Luke forgot to record this in the bible OR You are adding to the words of Jesus. Your human reasoning states "Do You Think A Man Who Repents On His Deathbed Is A Cinch For Eternal Life With Christ As A Child Of God? " I take Christ at His promise to the thief. I believe every word that the Bible says Including what is recorded for Jesus including Luke 23:43 I hope one day you can too.
@@RowanTasmanian All Jesus was saying was that the thief would be resurrected. (Acts 24:15) How could he be in paradise (Heaven) with Jesus that day, when Jesus himself didn't ascend for 40 days? And even after his ascension, Scripture tells us that resurrections for the 144,000 wouldn't begin until Christ's presence. (1 Corinthians 15:23) JW's know (As do SDA's and others) that Luke 23:43 more properly reads: "And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”" (Note the position of the comma). This verse is cross referenced with Acts 24:15 which I mentioned earlier, and -among others - John 5:28,29. It reads in part: "...the hour is COMING in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment." It does not say that when Jesus' contemporaries died, that their 'souls' went to heaven or hell. As you have stated that you "believe every word that the Bible says Including what is recorded for Jesus", then I'm sure you will now be humbly altering your position on these matters.
@@mattgardiner614 Thank you Matt, As the WT have no biblical scholars or anyone that can read Greek and Hebrew, I will quote what real scholars state in Real Translations. The KJV, NRSV, LSB, NASB, NET, RSV, ESV, JN Darby, HCSB , CSB Etc Etc Etc, all read the same way. Real Scholarship Real Translators. A side note to this verse, When Jesus was dying on the cross, who including Jesus would say "Luke 23:43 (KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee YESTERDAY-TODAY-TOMORROW, shalt thou be with me in paradise. That makes no sense. Jesus never ever said anything about the resurrection or any other points of theology. Jesus said (KJV) Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. However I was still waiting on your reply to my previous question. I have taken the liberty to paste it here again for you My main points were "... predicting Armageddon 7 times and getting it wrong every time. Their "Fruits" of 150 years has been to preach a message of Armageddon that failed to happen 7 Times. 100 percent failure. Are the "Fruit" by having a huge majority of the 144,000 going to heaven worshipping Jesus and Jehovah, that by my reckoning is worshipping 2 Gods. From 1880 until 1954 ALL of the 144,000 worshipped Jesus. That's 74 years of "Preaching that you MUST worship 2 Gods". Having a Founder Mr Russell and later on Mr Rutherford and Mr Knorr categorically state that their members must worship 2 Gods for 74 years is my main contention. As I stated previously a vast majority of the 144,000 went to their graves after preaching door to door ALL THEIR LIVES the message that you must worship Jesus and Jehovah. Worshipping 2 Gods is not endorsed anywhere in Scripture. I'm not trying to be smart, and I promise you that Matt, but I really struggle with Jehovah allowing almost all of the 144,000 to go to heaven and rule with Christ and they have been worshipping 2 Gods. BACK THEN FOR 74 YEARS, if you didn't worship Christ, you were disobeying Jehovah's organisation. After 1954 if you are worshipping Christ, you are disobeying Jehovah's organisation. From the earliest writings in the bible to the last book, worshipping anyone other that 1 God is strictly prohibited “All creatures in heaven and earth shall worship Jesus as he worships the Father. WT 8/15/1941, p. 252” BUT THEN THIS “God uses The Watch Tower to communicate to his people; IT DOES NOT CONSIST OF MEN’S OPINIONS. WT 1/1/1942, p. 5” Final thought. If Jehovah is using the WT and it does not consist of men's opinions, why did Jehovah teach through the pages of the WT to worship Jesus (another God) and why today after 1954 Jesus is a second God. Jehovah says plainly There is One TRUE God: All other gods are false. Deuteronomy 4:35, 6:4, 10:14, Psalm 96:5, 97:9, Isaiah 43:10, 44:6-8, 44:24, 45:5-6, 45:21-23, 46:9, 48:11-12, John 17:3, 1 Timothy 2:5, Revelation 1:8, Thank you for taking the time to read this.
There is no such thing as the perfect church. If there was one the minute I step in it becomes corrupt, because I am imperfect. The JW come close to the perfect church. They are very humble and sincere, and everything they do is motivated by love and Bible principles. When I see a Jehovah Witness, I see an example of a Christian even before they open their mouth. And no I am not a Jehovah Witness, but I am considering becoming one, even with their imperfections. I very much appreciate their structure and consistency.
Thanks for the comment. I agree, no such thing as a perfect church. I would love to know more on why you believe JW’s are the true church. I would love to start a dialog, would you please email me, lightoverdarkministry@gmail.com
Considering the fact that Jesus is leading and using JWs in the fulfillment of Mathew 24:14 speaks volumes. (Matthew 7:21) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but ONLY THE ONE DOING the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
@@tongakhan230 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : If it is everyone, then Jesus made a mistake, wouldn't he have. He clearly stated that MANY of those who address him as Lord (Christians) would perish at his hand. Matthew 7:21-23. Despite their pleadings that they did great works in Jesus' name. And how is Jesus gong to resurrect anyone on the last day if as one tries to make out, people are suffering in some hell fire?
@LightoverDarkMinistry I never said they are "the true church". I don't even think there is such a thing. They have their flaws like everyone else. I said I appreciate their structure, i.e., their discipline, orderliness and consistency. Doctrine aside, if a drug addict or an alcoholic makes an effort to attend their meetings regularly with an open mind, and apply their teachings to their everyday lives, they will experience some significant improvement in their life. What good is the debate of whether or not there is a hellfire to someone hooked on drugs? He is already living his hellfire. Enslaved to his flesh. If a man has been rescued from the dark and destructive path of drugs or alcohol addiction though the practical application of biblical principles, that to me is salvation. Saved from a destructive and tragic end. The JW are very practical with the bible as a self help book. They see man[kind] as a sick people, spiritually and otherwise. And they try to use the bible as a remedy for this sickness. And this I find very impressive. Everything else is simply commentary. Man trying to outsmart himself.
GOD only promised ETERNAL LIFE for those who exercised faith in Jesus and the Father. GOD won't give eternal life to wicked people and torture them forever. so why do you make GOD A LITERAL TORTURER?
More teachings from Watchtower not found in scripture. "For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ ALL shall be MADE ALIVE." 1.Cor.15:21,22
@@mattmurdock2868 STOP TWISTING, those Who shall be made alive acc to 1 Cor 15 are who? those IN CHRIST. are the sons of the devil and the wicked ones IN CHRIST? stop twisting there now. as v23 mentions " those who belong to the Christ " THOSE WHO BELONG , and you think that wicked evils sons of the devil BELONG TO CHRIST. you twister!
@@mattmurdock2868 to show you that the WICKED WILL NOT BE RAISED UP, here's a Bible text - so STOP TWISTING TWISTER! - ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live. Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s For you have turned your attention to them To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
“Fire doesn’t go out…worm doesn’t die.” Meaning no resurrection at any time, eternal death, annihilation. JW’s are correct in their teaching on “Hell.” I’m not a JW, but I agree that hell is not a literal place existence after death. “Second death”, resurrected to judgment after first death. Second death would be annihilation after resurrection to judgment… “Knashing of teeth” would be the response, knowing that you truly missed out on eternal life. I like many of your videos, but in this one I believe your biblical wrong … Isn’t this what courts do. Show you your judgment. In some states this would be capital punishment..
Thanks. I did try and make the point that everyone should decide for themselves. I tend to lean one way, but there’s some good Christian men I know who agree with you. worm might be referring to that, might not, I keep an open mind. Μy point is JW’s don’t really teach any judgment. And I believe your exposition here is far more detailed than anything the WT has put out. Their arguments arnt even logically sound, which reveals how little their people know about the Bible.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry GOD only promised ETERNAL LIFE for those who exercised faith in Jesus and the Father. GOD won't give eternal life to wicked people and torture them forever. so why do you make GOD A LITERAL TORTURER?
Worms in hell? Wouldn't it make them sinner worms? Gnashing of teeth? Spirit forms would have to be given false teeth naturally. But there will be no place to affix them. All these videos seem to be a fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3:13.
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 was written: "'You are my witnesses, ' is the utterance of Jehovah, even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
Psalm 138:2 KJV - I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Jesus is the word❤️🔥
God doesn't torment people for an eternity. Theirs nothing you can do to deserve such punishment. Even if you were bad every day it still doesn't account for eternal suffering. That's detestable to a loving God.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You don't know God. Many in the last days will say God didn't we do powerful works in your name? But God says "away from me !!" "Workers of lawlessness" !!!
@@LightoverDarkMinistry THE WICKED WILL NOT BE RESURRECTED AND NOT ETERNALLY TORTURED - ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live. Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s For you have turned your attention to them To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
@@SergioMedina593 I’ll take that as a “I don’t have any scripture to support my position, so I’ll just call you unsaved, and an evil doer to feel better about my lack knowledge and reason.” But please, prove me wrong by given me scripture and an actual answer to the question
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 but what does that mean in hebrew culture? annihilation refers to a bringing of doom lol, and they wont be mentioned in heaven. how does that conflict with hellfire
The way his lower-case "a"s are written is so shockingly lazy that they are lower-case "o"s. Sir, please reconsider the purpose of a visual medium, i.e. writing for an audience who is trying to read the text as well as hear your voice.
THE WICKED WILL NOT BE RESURRECTED AND NOT ETERNALLY TORTURED - ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live. Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s For you have turned your attention to them To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
“having a hope in God, which these men themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust.” (Acts 24:15 ESV) You're wrong again because you don't know the Scriptures.
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 A person is either righteous or wicked, just or unjust. When the Bible says that there will be a resurrection of the just and unjust, it is using a merism (I know, you're not a bright guy so I'll explain. It means it uses two extremes like high and low, ie, it is saying that everyone will be resurrected). I'd say do some studying but we both know that you won't.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth so ARE ALL unjust WICKED? yes or no. so why do YOU REJECT ISAIAH ? notice, the Bible uses a different word for WICKED vs the unjust/unrighteous. THIS IS VERY CLEAR AND STILL YOU REJECT AND DENY THE BIBLE - ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live. Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s NOTICE WILL NOT RISE UP
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 Yes. All unjust are wicked. I don't reject Isaiah. I reject your ignorant interpretation. There are two types of people, those who are just and those who are unjust. Both will be resurrected.
ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live. Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s For you have turned your attention to them To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them. THERE IS NO RESURRECTION FOR THE WICKED
The author of this video is saying one lie after another, to deny that hell and immortal soul are pagan doctrines is ridiculous, there is plenty of evidence to show that they are. Since he can't understand what is symbolic and what it literal he will NEVER have anything worthwhile to offer, his understanding is seriously flawed.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You need to know how unchristian those doctrines are and where they originated. Stumbling people with false information is a serious offense. The difficulty lies in the fact that the meanings popularly attached to the English word “soul” stem primarily, not from the Hebrew or Christian Greek Scriptures, but from ancient Greek philosophy, actually PAGAN RELIGIOUS THOUGHT. Greek philosopher Plato, for example, quotes Socrates as saying: “The soul, . . . if it departs pure, dragging with it nothing of the body, . . . goes away into that which is like itself, into the invisible, divine, immortal, and wise, and when it arrives there it is happy, freed from error and folly and fear . . . and all the other human ills, and . . . lives in truth through all after time with the gods.”-Phaedo, 80, D, E; 81, A. The Greeks did not originate the idea of an underworld full of suffering souls, for the Babylonians thought of “the nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria) Yes, the Babylonians believed in the immortality of the soul. “Of all classical Greek philosophers, the one who has had the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell is Plato.”-Histoire des enfers (The History of Hell), by Georges Minois, page 50. “The soul that is sinning-it itself will die.” (Ezekiel 18:4) The dead “are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) If the soul dies and is unconscious, how could it suffer “eternal fire” or even the pain of everlasting separation from God? In the Bible, the Hebrew and Greek words often translated “hell” actually refer to the common grave of mankind. For example, when Job suffered a painful illness, he prayed: “I wish you would hide me in my grave [“in hell,” Douay-Rheims Version].” (Job 14:13, Holy Bible-Easy-to-Read Version) Job wanted to rest, not in a place of torment or alienation from God, but in the grave
@@BasicBiblicalTruth No, you haven't. The NT is God's inspired word but the translators of the KJV put in the word "hell" in place of the original words meaning "grave". They are guilty of altering Scripture to promote a pagan lie, hell doesn't exist.
I thank God for your ministry, brother. Thank you for this video. God bless
I’ve been waiting for you to cover this topic! thank you!!
Is it now a relief or a frightening experience?
How did Jesus end up in hell (Acts 2:27). Surely, he didn't sin.
Found you again.😮
Okay you got me with the juxtaposition between Watchtower Armageddon imagery and the quote 😂
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fr lol, that got me so good, i was not prepared
People will tremble in fear at Armageddon as it means their destruction forever.
Revelation 6:16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Hell is a different concept. Jesus ended up in hell (Acts 2:27).
@@LightoverDarkMinistryJesus christ said people will hate and speak lies about his only true followers the Jehovah's witnesses, Mathew 5:10-12,Luke 6:22-23,John 15:19-21,but nothing satan and his people can do to stop the JW's because Jehovah God is with them, Isaiah 8:10,and Jesus christ is with them, Mathew 28:19-20.
@@vusimngomezulu2500we do not have to try and stop you as your imagination requires of you to think this way. With your generation time line running out since 1914 which is over 100 years. People are becoming Awake to the governing body lies. With the overlapping generation interpretation is one step too far hence the reason why people are leaving the watchtower organization
“Liars, murderers, child m**alters are punished eternally”
Cold line that needs to be said.
My heart goes out to any ex-JW survivor that were abused as children❤️
The punishment is death the torment is restraint
ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live.
Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s
For you have turned your attention to them
To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
As a former JW, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your apologetics mixed with humor!
My favorite part of the video was overlaying the JW arguments of God being love disproving hell while showing the Armageddon artwork from their publications.
Former JW? May we ask how one became a JW in the first place?
Perhaps, filled a form, gave a bribe or donation, or self appointed oneself?
Sounds a fake comment.
BTW Armageddon is a destruction. Torture chambers in outer space with fires burning without oxygen is someone's imagination going extra wild.
ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live.
Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s
For you have turned your attention to them
To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 : Just for information sake. Isaiah 26:14 is about the destruction of Babylon. That city didn't rise up and now lies in ruins.
@@tongakhan230 thanks, and it can also apply to the resurrection as v19 mentions - Your dead will live.
My corpses* will rise up.w
Awake and shout joyfully,
You residents in the dust!x
For your dew is as the dew of the morning,*
And the earth will let those powerless in death come to life.*
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 :Isaiah 26:19. The prophet Isaiah painted this touching picture of the resurrection: “Thy dead live, their bodies will rise again. They that sleep in the earth will awake and shout for joy; for thy dew is a dew of sparkling light, and the earth will bring those long dead to birth again.”-Isaiah 26:19, The New English Bible.
Compare Acts 24:15.
What has that to do with Babylon and its destruction??????????
Thank you for explaining the word so easy that even a child would understand.
Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”🙌
Luke 18:17
They used to have a song based on Matthew 10:28 where they literally sang in the chorus "Fear not those who kill the body but can't not destroy the soul." I remember at least once as a teen looking at those lyrics and going "huh?"
If you want know what Jesus meant read Job 12:10 KJV
@@Scott48-m7e the "huh?" was more because born into a JW family I was raised to believe that body meant body and soul meant body. So "Fear not those who kill the body, but can not destroy the body" was some odd phrasing to me.
But I was a good little Witness and buried those questions deep deep down
@@soundthealarm83 Only God can truly kill every soul is in God's hand it is not saying we are immortal
@@Scott48-m7e Those man made JWs doctrinal lies and false teachings such as no hell fire or no immortal soul are not salvation teachings that "believing in or not believing in" will keep any one from entering the Kingdom of God.
It's ridiculous to even debate these topics, even debating the trinity is a waste of time!
But lonely goofy people like to go online seeking attention from complete strangers just to feel better about their mundane pathetic lives. It's entertainment to these weirdos. Which tells me either they are closet atheist pretending to be JWs or DF'd JWs so lost and confused about what to believe that they just attack anything that's not Watchtower.
***What ultimately matters is following and having faith in the true Christ - John 3:16, John 14:6, keeping the laws, statues and commandments - John 15:10 and turning away from sin - Acts 3:19.*** 1. Following and Faith in Christ 2. Keep God's Commandments 3 Stop Sinning! Those are the most important things that matter!
I remember that one 🎶🎵
It is so horribly wicked that Jehovah’s witnesses twist the bible by knowingly changing words in the bible to fit their doctrine. Only after I quit Jehovah’s witnesses I learned of this horrible practice of them. Thank you for making these video’s, I learn a lot from them.
Amazing video! I’m just now getting into the word and this was the best breakdown I’ve seen! Thanks
Changing the bible scriptures will land them in the place the Jws think doesnt exist.
Yes. My lovely mother is in hell and never ever going to be out 😭😭😭
I bleim the JW organisation for that. 😤
For your information, the translators of the KJV changed MANY Scriptures to support the hell and trinity FALSE DOCTRINES. They also ADDED many Scriptures that do not belong.
All these verses were added to the KJV:
The verses are Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29; and Romans 16:24.
Where is your criticism of Christendom's Scripture additions?
Love your enemies ? Stick Hell on the back burner ? 😁 😄 don't publish rubbish !
Jesus ended up in hell (Acts 2:27). What sin did he commit?
@@tongakhan230 yes becorse he tok ours sins to hell burn them up gone for us that belive. All sins OSAS.
Thanks again for exposing the lies of wt. ❤👏✝️🙏
GOD only promised ETERNAL LIFE for those who exercised faith in Jesus and the Father. GOD won't give eternal life to wicked people and torture them forever. so why do you make GOD A LITERAL TORTURER?
He just told a bunch of lies of his own making, calling truth a lie and lies the truth. He has no idea what the difference is.
@Mr. D. C. Exercising faith in Jesus is another wt term not in the Bible, only in their bible because their beliefs are different, hence a different bible. Jesus talks about hell. Lazarus and the rich man, for example.
@@dianeexley1709 that's just your own false opinions. actually, the Greek word means "commit (to trust), put in trust with" it's related word means "2) the general quality or characteristic of being unwavering in such profession (fidelity, faithfulness, commitment) 2a) continuance of faith in one's profession." so exercise faith is a better translation
@@dianeexley1709 so for you GOD is a literal torturer. So is Hitler for you LOVE?
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Could we state that the body is the barrel and the soul is the content, or the soul is the software and the body the hardware? And that our spirit rest in gods hand until resurrection, just like software is preserved in the cloud until it is retrieved?
This channel is so beautiful very based in the bible
This channel denies the scriptures
How so?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry it says death will be destroyed the dead perish but weirdly you deny it
@@LightoverDarkMinistry because you show bible verses Jehovah witnesses show ideas from the gb and their bible and it's wrong
@@Scott48-m7e Yes, death will be. The end will come, judgement and separation for the wicked, life for the righteous in Christ, who will never die again. Are you a universalist?
I agree with the JWs stance on this issue to an extent. I believe the Bible soes xonvey clearly that the final judgment will be with fire. But i see overall the consequence for sin is death from the very beginning. Jesus said to fear not man who can kill the body but can not touch the soul but to fear Him who can DESTROY soul and body in hell. Either one is an absolutely horrific fate. It is good to know the truth of what God says about life after death.
Please, let people from other Religions tell us what they believe about "Hell Fire"
For me,if sinners should be cast into Hell fire to burn forever but would not die,then,with time,I think, they would get used to the fire. Just like the story found in the "Parable of the Rich man and the Lazarus", to a point, the Rich man in Hell saw Lazarus in Heaven and then begged Lazarus to give him a drop of water to drink.
Honestly,I can't imagine the possibility of someone who is inside busy burning fire begging for water.
Maybe he is now used to it or has turned to fire himself.
Actually the allegorical story about the Rich man and the Beggar was Jesus targeting two LIVING GROUPS in his day.
No one can have a conversation across any gulf without a phone. No water to be got and no fingers available to dip into water.
It would also mean that 'heaven' and hell are an arms length away.
What happens to the Bible hell/hades according to Revelation 20:14? Clue. It’s the same thing that happens to death in the future.
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”-KJV
Perfect explanation,. You are a great Teacher,.
GOD only promised ETERNAL LIFE for those who exercised faith in Jesus and the Father. GOD won't give eternal life to wicked people and torture them forever. so why do you make GOD A LITERAL TORTURER?
Just a question. If hell is some torture chamber in outer space for sinners, how did Jesus end up in hell? (Acts 2:27). Peter tell us that Jesus was sinless.
@@tongakhan230Dude he just gave you scriptures on Hell. They are undeniable unless you don't believe in the whole Bible, and just parts.
@@mr.d.c.1914.1He just gave undeniable Scriptures backing up that there is an Eternal Hell or punishment. How can you deny them?
@@12firehose : Did Jesus go to HELL and get tortured ETERNALLY?
Acts 2:27 KJV
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in HELL, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
This is the prophecy that God will not allow Jesus' body to rot. God will resurrect Jesus before that happened. Within 3 days it was fulfilled.
(Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. (Peter testifying).
If interested, HELL means the GRAVE. Not some oxygen-less fire in some torture chamber in outer space conjured up in the minds of some sadists.
Jehovah God is LOVE. Torture doesn't even comes to his mind.
Jehovah's Christian Witnesses fit this prophecy.
(John 13:35) By this all will know that you are MY DISCIPLES-if you have LOVE among yourselves.”
Take the above into account and check the scriptures again. If something doesn't SEEM TO FIT please let me know.
Nice video as usual but don't you think people burning in hell for eternity means sin will exist forever? Thought christ brought about victory over death meaning end of sin. Jude 1:7 can create context on the 'forever' used.
What a lovely God they worship.
The wages sin pays is…..death.
Think about what Adam was told was the penalty of disobedience. Where did God say he would go?
Unsaved don't have immortal souls, Adam and Eve were not allowed to eat from tree of life and become immortal.
Even an atheists spirit will go back to God who gave it. The spirit is not the soul.
A few thoughts on aspects of this video.
After admitting fairly early on that "Many Christians don't believe in Hell as a place. Just annihilationism." And "Even those who do believe it's a place, it's debated exactly what happens. Is it darkness and regret? Literal fire and brimestone?" You go on to say that you are "Not really here to prove either one". So what IS the point of this video? Disagreeing with witnesses JUST to disagree with Witnesses?
On Words: The NWT Translation of 2 Thessalonians 1:9 as "everlasting destruction" holds up with 39 out of the 62 translations provided on the Biblegateway website (Either "Eternal" or "Everlasting" destruction). Funny how opposer's pick-and-choose when it's appropriate to translate literally, and when it's not. So - With no justification whatsoever - Christendom has John 8:58 as "I AM" (By "no justification" I mean claiming it's an allusion to Exodus 3:14) but "I have been" at John 14:9, and "I am he" at John 4:26. Or how about Colossians 1:16 where Christendom INSISTS on a literal translation of "all things", even though they are happy to translate the same elsewhere as "all other" (Luke 13:12), "all the other" (Luke 21:29), or "all the others" (Philippians 2:21), for example.
On Jehovah's Character: Not for the first time in this series of videos you have avoided referencing verses that commonly come up when Witnesses discuss a particular topic, in favour of verses that we don't use quite so much. Making out that the verses you do state, are our main argument. How about Jeremiah 32:35?
"Furthermore, they built the high places of Baʹal in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire to Moʹlech, something that I had not commanded them and that HAD NEVER COME INTO MY HEART TO DO SUCH A DETESTABLE THING, causing Judah to sin.’"
How could this verse have any meaning if Hell were a literal place of torment? Death would have been quick in such a case as this verse talks about. If Jehovah found that abhorrent, why would eternal torment for a relatively short, sinful life be acceptable? ESPECIALLY, if - as you claim in a previous video - (The False God of Jehovah's Witnesses) God knows from before a person is even born, what their fate will be? (In that video at the 10:03 mark, you say you didn't want to get into the whole "Predestination" debate, which I took as a tacit admission that you knew that word would likely spring up in listeners minds and was a hole in your argument) Where is the justice (And love) in that?
Your response is exactly why I created this content. That and to point out the flaws in their reasoning, the lies, and give an alternative view.
Also you missed the point of Jeremiah, God isn’t creating a place of sin, God is issuing judgment on sinners, THAT entered his mind. It’s not about the place of Gehenna, it’s the coming judgement on a wicked people, that is called the lake of fire.
Eternal hell and eternal paradise, all that follow Jesus by the holy spirit will be in eternal paradise, all that reject the holy spirit will be in eternal hell! The question is do we have this free gift, the power of salvation to follow Jesus into eternal paradise!
@@LightoverDarkMinistry the lake of fire is the second death no resurrection
G'day Matt, I notice you are defending the WT's view on Hell. Have you stopped to think that on many other issues we have discussed (and where you haven't been able to provide an answer especially regarding the Men of Sodom and the identity of the FDS) these men in New York have got sooooo many things wrong ie
Armageddon was prophesied 7 times and they got it wrong 7 times over 125 years.
Sodom and Gomorrah 7 times the inhabitants would resurrected and then not resurrected
Jesus was not the the Archangel Michael and now He is.
Jesus was to be worshipped and now He is not.
Charles Russell was the FDS and now he is not
The Great Pyramid was the Bible in stone and now it is not.
Shunning was an evil thing and now it is not.
Worshipping 2 Gods for over 75 years
etc etc etc
The law of averages is predicting these 9 Men you are following have stuffed this one up also.
If, over 100 years, every time they predicted Armageddon, NOTHING HAPPENS. These Men with the self proclaimed title of the FDS, have got an ETERNAL issue wrong.
You are gambling on the presumption they have got this doctrine correct. I'm not a gambling man, and this organisation has a track record of getting their doctrine wrong again and again and again.
Gambling on this issue isn't worth it. 125 years of Armageddon false prophesies is just the tip of the iceberg.
The worshipping of 2 Gods being Jesus and Jehovah the Father for over 75 years should ring alarms bells. I cannot find any passage to support worshipping 2 Gods.
Thanks.
G'day again Matt, I noticed there was no response to the points I made of complete and utter failure of Jehovah's Prophet.
With 40 years of studying the Watchtower, and please correct me if I am wrong, but out of EVERY Prophecy the Faithful and Discreet Slave has ever uttered,( being Mr Russell , The Anointed, and the Governing Body which was INVENTED or CREATED in 1971) not one, and I mean not one prediction has ever happened.
a 100 Percent failure rate.
These same men state there is no Hell.
These same men who state that the doctrine of Hell is NOT in the bible are also the same men who said that all the dates for the 7 Armageddon failures WERE IN THE BIBLE.
Can you see a pattern here, It must take an enormous amount of blind faith to follow these men.
As I say to every Atheist, I don't have enough blind faith to be an Atheist. Christ asked us to follow him with faith, not blind faith.
A response would be appreciated.
And pleeeeease!
Pleeeease, learn how to pronounce Gehenna and Hades.
It is NOT GehenYa”????!!
And it is NOT “Hey-dOs”????!! 😳
Where did you find that “dos”?
It’s DIS, not “dos.” 🙄
It is HEY-DIS (in English).
But in Greek it’s just “ha-des” (phonetic pronunciation)!
And it is GE-HENNA (“G” as in “get”). There is NO “Y.”
I have never heard such ridiculous pronunciation of these two words.
I am not a JW but I agree with some of what they believe and this happens to be one of a few of them.
So, if a fiery torturous hell is real and the wicked are tortured ALIVE for eternity then that would contradict the scriptures. God says the wicked shall not have eternal life but if they are being eternally tortured then they actually do have it. A pretty bad one but nevertheless eternal life. Also, why throw death and the grave into a torturous place. Can they be tormented eternally too?
What most people are taught and believe about hell is not what hell actually is. Jesus said "the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church ". What did he mean? "Hell" is actually what is called the "grave". So what is "the gates of hell"? Those gates are metaphorical for death. To enter the grave/ "hell" one must experience / go through death. Death is the door or gate to gravedom. Sooo...Jesus was saying death would not prevail against the church since the TRUE church will be resurrected to eternal life at his appearing. Death has no power over them.
Also, the scriptures are adamant about man dieing and sleeping in the dust of the ground until one of two Resurrections. Remember Genesis 3 vs 22, 23. They were exiled from the garden BEFORE they could eat from the tree of life and live forever. Also, man was created a living being/soul not an immortal one. Since the traditional "churchianity" torturous hell is a deceptive lie, what about their teaching of going to heaven. Is it also untrue?
Again the Bible is very clear that man would stay dead until one of the Resurrections. God said of his son Jesus...."this is my beloved son, listen to him". If we are to listen to Jesus then why doesn't "churchianity" believe him when he said "blessed are the humble for they shall inherit the earth"?
But, but wait Jesus, you have it all wrong. That can't be right. Since you are God, why is it you don't know the meek shall inherit heaven?
Huh? Jesus is God? Really? If he truly IS God why does he say 4 times in Revelation 3 v 12 he has a God. Why does Paul, speaking of the glorified Jesus, say he is a man in 1 Timothy 2 v 5? Also, can God die? If Jesus is God and God can't die then Jesus could not have really died so woe to true believers for they are still in their sins and have no hope.
Paul in 1st Corinthians 15 vs 27, 28 says everything but 1 has been put under christ. That 1 thing not in subjection to christ is God. Does this not also tell us Jesus is NOT God? Jesus is a one of a kind HUMAN son of God miraculously begotten by God's active power in the womb of Mary. Jesus's life began then. His only pre-existance was in God's plan before the foundation of the world. Jesus is the first fruits, the first born of humanity from the dead.
I could go on but at this point I think I have said enough. I used to believe the churchianity lies until 2016. That is when I started questioning these teachings. It took a couple years to come to grips with the knowledge that I had been deceived on these and other matters since 1978. That is why I comment as I do......hoping others will consider these things and come to a more accurate knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Colossians 1:16-18 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Revelation 1:8, 18 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
The Bible say Jesus Christ is God Almighty, Creator, Alpha & Omega. It's a mystery according to 1 Timothy 3:16. A mystery is something that is not easily understood. Pray to God humbly to show you the Truth & get you out of confusion.
Just as man has a body, spirit & soul, 1 Thess. 5:23, God who made man in His likeness is God the Father, the Word (Jesus) & the Holy Spirit. These three are one just as man is one though body spirit and soul.
For humans who practise witchcraft, their spirits can leave their bodies to go else where for other activities. But the body becomes immobile during thus process.
But For God Almighty, a part of Him can leave His body to go for an operation elsewhere and God the Father will still be alive & active because He's the God. I pray the Lord gives you understanding
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1 Timothy 3:16
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The KJV is based on a corrupted manuscript here, reading “God was manifested…” The Greek has “he who was manifested…” referring to Jesus as the Son of God, defined by Luke 1:35.
Hellfire is an insult to God... *it pushes the idea that God cruelly keeps people alive just to torment them...forever!!*
Why not just end their life? Isn't that the reason for punishment, to even things out or stop a person doing bad....?
People go to hell if they have been bad right? Would it surprise you that the most unlikely person went to hell....?
Psalms 16:10 King James Bible
For *thou wilt not leave my soul in hell;* neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
New International Version
because *you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,* nor will you let your faithful one see decay.
New Living Translation
*For you will not leave my soul among the dead* or allow your holy one to rot *in the grave.*
Contemporary English Version
I am your chosen one. *You won't leave me in the grave* or let my body decay.
Hell is equal to expression to "Sheol", "realm of the dead" or "the grave."
So who was said to go to hell, sheol, the realm of the dead, the grave?
Acts 2:22-24 King James Bible
22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; *Jesus of Nazareth,* a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: *24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.*
*25For David speaketh concerning him,* I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
*27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,* neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
New International Version
*because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,* you will not let your holy one see decay.
New Living Translation
*For you will not leave my soul among the dead* or allow your Holy One to rot *in the grave.*
Contemporary English Version
*The Lord won't leave me in the grave.* I am his holy one, and he won't let my body decay.
**So Jesus, God's own son went to hell when he died. Was he bad, was God/his father tormenting him?**
What is it like in hell, the realm of the dead, the grave?
Ecclesiastes 9:5 New Living Translation
The living at least know they will die, *but the dead know nothing.* They have no further reward, nor are they remembered.
Job asked to die and go to the realm of the dead, the grave, hell... Why? Because he was suffering so much due to the devil. Satan took his wealth away, killed his 10 children and then made Job sick. *Why would he then ask to go to where the devil apparently rules and torments people with fire forever?*
Job 1:12 Amplified Bible
*Then the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that Job has is in your power, only do not put your hand on the man himself.”* So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD.
Job 2:7,8 Amplified Bible
*7So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD and struck Job with loathsome boils and agonizingly painful sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.* 8And Job took a piece of broken pottery with which to scrape himself, and he sat [down] among the ashes (rubbish heaps).
Job 14:13 Amplified Bible
13“Oh, that You would *hide me in Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead),* That You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, That You would set a definite time and then remember me [and in Your lovingkindness imprint me on your heart]!
Job wanted to die. He knew that Hell, Sheol, the realm of the dead, the grave is just non-existence. He would not be suffering there...
So Jesus went to hell, Sheol, the realm of the dead, the grave too when he died. Some may say Jesus preached to the spirits in hell...but WHEN was that?
1 Peter 3:19 New International Version
*After being made alive,* he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits-
Jesus was dead/non existent for parts of 3 days. In that time he was in Hell...no thoughts, no suffering, just not alive (the opposite of death).
Would God torment people forever? Does the bible say that?
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 King James Bible
7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, *8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction* from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
GOD'S WORD® Translation
They will pay the penalty by being *destroyed forever,* by being separated from the Lord's presence and from his glorious power.
**Jesus punishes people with everlasting....Destruction!! Not torment.**
If you burn something in fire it is practically beyond repair/restoration. That is the meaning...ones who are destroyed in this way are dead forever! They are not living to be tormented forever.
***God would NEVER torture people in fire...it goes against his personality.***
Jeremiah 19:5 New International Version
*They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.*
New Living Translation
*They have built pagan shrines to Baal, and there they burn their sons as sacrifices to Baal. I have never commanded such a horrible deed; it never even crossed my mind to command such a thing!*
When the Roman Catholic church came up with the hell fire torment teachings, and many have fallen for it, JWs must be 'crazy' to be no part of these.
(Revelation 20:14)
KJV
And death and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
NASB
Then Death and HADES were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
EHV
Death and the GRAVE were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death.
The Greek word HADES is translated as HELL and the GRAVE. No fires in this Biblical hell.
Just nothingness. Nonexistence until a resurrection bring these back into existence.
Jesus too ended up in HELL when he died. All who die generally do. It is called the GRAVE.
Acts 2:27 KJV
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in HELL, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Let me ask you this. If I was this nice guy who gave to charity, had picnics with my family, called my mother...but then there was this side of me who had a basement under my house where I tortured people...would you want to be my friend? If not, why not?
No, because you're violating God's law, by killing innocent people. Are you comparing God to a serial killer? You do realize God killed people in the flood, people in Israel, other nations, and many more instances. You yourself believe Jehovah will kill billions of men women and children during Armageddon. Was God wrong for doing so? No, because God is judging sin, and is justified in doing so. You violate the laws of an eternal being, if he wants to give you eternal consequences, who are you to say he can't?
Are we to understand that hell is some oxygenless fire in outer space which is designed to torture people. Is so, how is it thrown into another fire called the Lake of fire?
Revelation 20:14.
Is it the fight fire with fire policy?
Jesus was also in hell for parts of three days (Acts 2:27).
He never mentioned being tortured after God resurrected him.
I would like to ask an important question. Keep in mind, I believe in the existence of "hell", and it isn't even operating at full strength yet, but it is a place of torment as Jesus taught.
But, have you ever counted the times Jesus spoke of heaven and hell? I have, and you repeated something that I would like to know where the source is. I counted every time Jesus spoke of heaven and hell, and made hash marks to count them up, and he spoke quite a bit more of heaven than he did hell.
So I am wondering where that statement originated. Everybody I asked said they just "heard" that somewhere and repeated it. So I studied it directly and found that statement to be false. Jesus spoke for of the Kingdom of Heaven than He did hell.
You need study
@@Scott48-m7e So, you haven't looked at it!
Do you have any idea of how to use prepositions?
@@richbaker7187 the torment is restraint hell will be destroyed in the lake of fire the lake of fire is the second death no resurrection
@@Scott48-m7e ALL will be resurrected. One is for those who have Christ as their Savior. The 2nd resurrection, the one you say doesn't exist, is a resurrection unto eternal judgement.
@@richbaker7187 only for their trial
exjw Devil-inspired Teaching
It was the Devil who told Eve: "You positively will not die." (Genesis 3:4; Revelation 12:9) But she did die; no part of her lived on. That the soul lives on after dearth is a lie started by the Devil. And it is also a lie, which the Devil has had spread, that the souls of the wicked are tormented in a hell or a purgatory. Since the Bible clearly shows that the dead are unconscious, these teachings could not be true. Actually, neither the word "purgatory" nor the idea of a purgatory is found in the Bible.
Yeah, I don’t believe in purgatory either. Does the Bible mention a place or weeping and gnashing of teeth where the devil is thrown and where there’s a lake that burns forever?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
Psalm 112:10 is instructive concerning the wicked's end in this regard. The verses just before it describe the final glory of God's people. Verse
10 then says: "The wicked man will see and be vexed, he will gnash his teeth and waste away; the longings of the wicked will come to nothing." Gnash his teeth as he may, the wicked man's rage does him no good in the end. Even as he grinds his teeth, he comes to nothing (the KJV has "melt away"). Traditionalists make "gnashing of teeth" into conscious unending torment. The Bible pictures it as horrible rage, rage that is frustrated by the wicked's own inexorable destruction.
That people would have inherent immortal souls was lie of serpent to Eve in garden of eden, saved get immortality at Resurrection.
Everyone should research the other views on hell on RUclips. After collecting all the different Biblical texts the most logical view is, death is the punishment for sin not everlasting torment. Just think about it, how can a person be tortured forever and call it love? Love is not letting your loved ones suffer. That’s what God’s love is about not letting suffering go on. God said you will perish while others receive eternal life.
God‘s ways are not our ways, His are higher. I don’t think you would give your son for someone who just murdered your whole family would you?
Well that’s what the Bible teaches. While we were still his enemies Christ died for us.(Romans 5:8-10)
Also we must accept that there is a Hell. It’s not God is bad it’s that we cannot be in his presence if we’re not covered by the sacrifice of his son because HE IS HOLY and we are not.
Revelation 20:15 ►
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
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The lake of fire means something. It symbolizes something. Irreversible destruction. (2 Peter 3:9) There are 2 roads Jesus spoke about. Where do they lead. One to life. The other to….?
The paradox. God gifts people everlasting life only so that he can torture them forever.
The Bible clearly states that everlasting life is only given the righteous.
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
Another video charlatan bites the dust fulfilling 2 Timothy 3:13.
Yeah, when heaven comes to earth in Rev 21. Tonga there’s a book I really recommend, but it does disprove all the JW doctrines, it’s called The Bible, I highly recommend it.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Heaven is coming to earth? That is going to cause confusion, wouldn't it.
People wouldn't know if they are living in heaven or on earth.
Please read Revelation 21:3,4. God's governance comes to earth. It changes condition on earth for humans to live without problems.
Still, it seems a side track comment from what was posted at the start. The paradox.
Explain how God is going to GIFT everlasting life to people in order to torture then FOREVER.
The teaching about eternal death on hellfire was a false, the real eternal death means, those who died but not believing Jehovah will never be resurrected, they are forever dead as eternal dead, Mark, 12:26-27 , Jesus answered them with question, " Concerning the dead to be raised up?????????, You are very BIG MISTAKE", therefore the Lake of fire symbolized only to GRAVES where maggots does not die, and the fire that does not put out is the hotness below the ground comes from the earth's core, Mark, 9:44-49,
Read Isaiah 66 v 24
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.>>> when you lookup "perish" in Strong's concordance it says ...to completely destroy........!Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Weirdly Trinitarians redefine words
Your spirit can't be destroyed, it's eternal! Their is eternal life or eternal death. Forever! Theirs many suffering eternal hell where the worm, the soul never dies.
@@williamacuff7707 Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
@@williamacuff7707 gave up the ghost means his spirit died
@@mandolinJo the soul is in God's hand that is what Matthew 10:28 means
Does Isaiah 66:22-24 tell us if hell is literal or symbolic? Compare Mark 9:48.
Are there literally worms in hell, fire-resistant worms? What is there purpose if not symbolism?
Will you literally observe a Sabbath? (Isaiah 66:23).
Will those living with God literally look upon those suffering in hell every week for eternity?
Will Death and hell literally suffer torment in hell? (Rev 20:14).
(At 4:35) The thief next to Christ.
Do you think a man who repents on his deathbed is a cinch for eternal life with Christ as a child of God?
Children of God need to "have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil" (Heb 5:14 ESV).
Maybe he is a cinch for being given a second chance in order to "grow up into salvation" (1 Peter 2:2 ESV).
Ezekiel 28:16 (MKJV): "I _destroy_ you, O covering cherub."
Ezekiel 28:19 (NRSV, LEB): "you shall _cease to exist_ forever."
How can a cherub spirit being cease to exist?
At 2 Peter 3:7 judgment is compared to destruction (Gr. apoleia).
And at Ezekiel 28:16,19 destroy means cease to exist. So judgment = destruction = cease to exist, even in spirit form.
According to God burning people is evil:
Jer 7:30-31 (NRSV): "For the people have done _evil_ in my sight...to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire."
So if burning people is evil, why would God do evil?
"God is unversed in evils" (James 1:13 NENT).
“For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your offspring and your name remain. From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD. And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.” (Is. 66:22-24 ESV)
“The new heavens and the new earth” - This speaks of the eschaton when God makes the new heavens and the new earth, which will last forever.
“Your offspring and your name remain” - The redeemed shall also remain forever.
“From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath” - There will be regular and perpetual worship before the Lord who will reign in Jerusalem.
"And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.” - Those who have been redeemed will be perpetually reminded of those who did not obey and suffer eternally.
The description of hell in this passage uses figurative lnaguage. If I were to tell a person in the jungle, who had never seen a city, what NY city looks like I would have to describe it in terms that the person could understand. Isaiah and Jesus describe hell as a place of eternal torment in language that people of their time would understand.
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In Luke 23:43, Jesus promised the repentant thief that he would be with him that day in Paradise. Jesus made the promise, so your contention is with him.
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Eze 28 is about the King of Tyre and only applied to Satan paradigmatically. The king would cease to live on earth forever and would no longer have sway over people.
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2Pe 3:7 - The word απωλεια is used of the beast in Rev 17:11. There the reader is told that the beast is going to destruction (εἰς ἀπώλειαν ὑπάγει). Does that mean the beast ceases to exist? No. If you read to the end of the book you find that, “the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” (Rev. 20:10 ESV)
Destruction for the beast means that he is "tormented day and night forever and ever." It does not mean to cease to exist.
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You said:
[ According to God burning people is evil:
Jer 7:30-31 (NRSV): "For the people have done evil in my sight...to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire."
So if burning people is evil, why would God do evil? ]
God said that killing people is evil, so why would God do evil? Do you see the problem with this argument? It ignores the justice of God.
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I've addressed your objections, please address my evidence. Explain the following passages:
“And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.””
(Rev. 14:9-11 ESV)
““Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
(Matt. 25:41 ESV)
“And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.””
(Matt. 25:46 ESV)
Your organization rejects the doctrine of hell as unbiblical.
On the other hand, your organization propagates that all people who are still alive in Armageddon and are not members of your organization are condemned to eternal annihilation.
If Armageddon were to take place today, 8 billion people would be affected by this act of annihilation, including approximately 1.5 billion children aged 0-15 who, according to your organization's official teachings, cannot be admitted to baptism because of their young age.
On the other hand, your organization teaches that all people who "accidentally" died before Armageddon should have the possibility of resurrection and eternal life. This group includes former persecutors of Christians, robbers, criminals, idolaters, adulterers, fornicators, rapists, exploiters, atheists, former worshipers of Babylonian, Greek, Egyptian and Roman gods and their priestly classes. Incidentally, also all members and active protagonists such as clergy and priests of the Catholic Church between the 4th and 20th centuries.
Will God make the gift of eternal life dependent on the principle of "accident"?
Will a just, merciful God require his true worshipers to take personal vows before people and members of the Governing Body to obtain final salvation, even if they have repeatedly been shown to be false prophets according to the teachings of the Bible? (See the end goal of your current Bible course: "Enjoy life forewer")
Enjoy life forewer, "Page 254
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Am I Ready to Get Baptized?
You may be ready to get baptized if you . . .
˙ Are an unbaptized publisher.
˙ Share regularly in the preaching work as much as you can.
˙ Support and follow the direction of “the faithful and discreet slave.” -Matthew 24:45-47.
˙ Have dedicated yourself to Jehovah in prayer and want to serve him forever.
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Unfortunately, you have repeatedly avoided this question, which I have asked several times, and apparently with good reason. As a representative of your organization, how do you answer these crucial questions as part of a regular Bible study?
You should be aware that it seems contradictory to an objective observer when you strongly condemn the teachings of other religions, but at the same time are unwilling to defend basic principles of your own religious community.
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Do you personally believe that if the event of Armageddon, long prophesied by your organization, occurs today, 8 billion people, including some 1.5 billion children, will be destroyed forever?
Dear David, the bible passage with the thief on the Cross goes like this:
"Luke 23:42-43 (LSB Strong's) 42 And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
You claim this :
"The thief next to Christ.
Do you think a man who repents on his deathbed is a cinch for eternal life with Christ as a child of God?
Children of God need to "have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil" (Heb 5:14 ESV).
Maybe he is a cinch for being given a second chance in order to "grow up into salvation" (1 Peter 2:2 ESV)."
Can you please show me where Jesus stated or implied this to the thief on the cross.
Either Jesus forgot to tell the thief this
AND
Luke forgot to record this in the bible
OR
You are adding to the words of Jesus.
Your human reasoning states
"Do You Think A Man Who Repents On His Deathbed Is A Cinch For Eternal Life With Christ As A Child Of God? "
I take Christ at His promise to the thief. I believe every word that the Bible says Including what is recorded for Jesus including Luke 23:43
I hope one day you can too.
@@RowanTasmanian All Jesus was saying was that the thief would be resurrected. (Acts 24:15) How could he be in paradise (Heaven) with Jesus that day, when Jesus himself didn't ascend for 40 days? And even after his ascension, Scripture tells us that resurrections for the 144,000 wouldn't begin until Christ's presence. (1 Corinthians 15:23)
JW's know (As do SDA's and others) that Luke 23:43 more properly reads: "And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”" (Note the position of the comma). This verse is cross referenced with Acts 24:15 which I mentioned earlier, and -among others - John 5:28,29. It reads in part: "...the hour is COMING in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment." It does not say that when Jesus' contemporaries died, that their 'souls' went to heaven or hell.
As you have stated that you "believe every word that the Bible says Including what is recorded for Jesus", then I'm sure you will now be humbly altering your position on these matters.
@@mattgardiner614 Thank you Matt, As the WT have no biblical scholars or anyone that can read Greek and Hebrew, I will quote what real scholars state in Real Translations. The KJV, NRSV, LSB, NASB, NET, RSV, ESV, JN Darby, HCSB , CSB Etc Etc Etc, all read the same way.
Real Scholarship Real Translators.
A side note to this verse, When Jesus was dying on the cross, who including Jesus would say "Luke 23:43 (KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee YESTERDAY-TODAY-TOMORROW, shalt thou be with me in paradise. That makes no sense.
Jesus never ever said anything about the resurrection or any other points of theology.
Jesus said
(KJV) Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
However I was still waiting on your reply to my previous question. I have taken the liberty to paste it here again for you
My main points were "... predicting Armageddon 7 times and getting it wrong every time.
Their "Fruits" of 150 years has been to preach a message of Armageddon that failed to happen 7 Times. 100 percent failure.
Are the "Fruit" by having a huge majority of the 144,000 going to heaven worshipping Jesus and Jehovah, that by my reckoning is worshipping 2 Gods. From 1880 until 1954 ALL of the 144,000 worshipped Jesus. That's 74 years of "Preaching that you MUST worship 2 Gods".
Having a Founder Mr Russell and later on Mr Rutherford and Mr Knorr categorically state that their members must worship 2 Gods for 74 years is my main contention.
As I stated previously a vast majority of the 144,000 went to their graves after preaching door to door ALL THEIR LIVES the message that you must worship Jesus and Jehovah.
Worshipping 2 Gods is not endorsed anywhere in Scripture.
I'm not trying to be smart, and I promise you that Matt, but I really struggle with Jehovah allowing almost all of the 144,000 to go to heaven and rule with Christ and they have been worshipping 2 Gods.
BACK THEN FOR 74 YEARS, if you didn't worship Christ, you were disobeying Jehovah's organisation.
After 1954 if you are worshipping Christ, you are disobeying Jehovah's organisation.
From the earliest writings in the bible to the last book, worshipping anyone other that 1 God is strictly prohibited
“All creatures in heaven and earth shall worship Jesus as he worships the Father.
WT 8/15/1941, p. 252”
BUT THEN THIS
“God uses The Watch Tower to communicate to his people; IT DOES NOT CONSIST OF MEN’S OPINIONS. WT 1/1/1942, p. 5”
Final thought. If Jehovah is using the WT and it does not consist of men's opinions, why did Jehovah teach through the pages
of the WT to worship Jesus (another God) and why today after 1954 Jesus is a second God.
Jehovah says plainly There is One TRUE God: All other gods are false. Deuteronomy 4:35, 6:4, 10:14, Psalm 96:5, 97:9, Isaiah 43:10, 44:6-8, 44:24, 45:5-6, 45:21-23, 46:9, 48:11-12, John 17:3, 1 Timothy 2:5, Revelation 1:8,
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
There is no such thing as the perfect church. If there was one the minute I step in it becomes corrupt, because I am imperfect.
The JW come close to the perfect church. They are very humble and sincere, and everything they do is motivated by love and Bible principles. When I see a Jehovah Witness, I see an example of a Christian even before they open their mouth.
And no I am not a Jehovah Witness, but I am considering becoming one, even with their imperfections. I very much appreciate their structure and consistency.
Thanks for the comment. I agree, no such thing as a perfect church. I would love to know more on why you believe JW’s are the true church. I would love to start a dialog, would you please email me, lightoverdarkministry@gmail.com
Considering the fact that Jesus is leading and using JWs in the fulfillment of Mathew 24:14 speaks volumes.
(Matthew 7:21) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but ONLY THE ONE DOING the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
@@tongakhan230 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : If it is everyone, then Jesus made a mistake, wouldn't he have.
He clearly stated that MANY of those who address him as Lord (Christians) would perish at his hand. Matthew 7:21-23. Despite their pleadings that they did great works in Jesus' name.
And how is Jesus gong to resurrect anyone on the last day if as one tries to make out, people are suffering in some hell fire?
@LightoverDarkMinistry I never said they are "the true church". I don't even think there is such a thing. They have their flaws like everyone else. I said I appreciate their structure, i.e., their discipline, orderliness and consistency.
Doctrine aside, if a drug addict or an alcoholic makes an effort to attend their meetings regularly with an open mind, and apply their teachings to their everyday lives, they will experience some significant improvement in their life.
What good is the debate of whether or not there is a hellfire to someone hooked on drugs? He is already living his hellfire. Enslaved to his flesh. If a man has been rescued from the dark and destructive path of drugs or alcohol addiction though the practical application of biblical principles, that to me is salvation. Saved from a destructive and tragic end.
The JW are very practical with the bible as a self help book. They see man[kind] as a sick people, spiritually and otherwise. And they try to use the bible as a remedy for this sickness. And this I find very impressive. Everything else is simply commentary. Man trying to outsmart himself.
GOD only promised ETERNAL LIFE for those who exercised faith in Jesus and the Father. GOD won't give eternal life to wicked people and torture them forever. so why do you make GOD A LITERAL TORTURER?
More teachings from Watchtower not found in scripture.
"For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ ALL shall be MADE ALIVE."
1.Cor.15:21,22
@@mattmurdock2868 STOP TWISTING, those Who shall be made alive acc to 1 Cor 15 are who? those IN CHRIST. are the sons of the devil and the wicked ones IN CHRIST? stop twisting there now. as v23 mentions " those who belong to the Christ " THOSE WHO BELONG , and you think that wicked evils sons of the devil BELONG TO CHRIST. you twister!
@@mattmurdock2868 to show you that the WICKED WILL NOT BE RAISED UP, here's a Bible text - so STOP TWISTING TWISTER! - ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live.
Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s
For you have turned your attention to them
To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
I am Mormon and Hell does not exist!
Hell is the common GRAVE of mankind. Not a place of torture. It gets destroyed with death. (Rev 20:14)
Good try! I don’t by it. The Bible tells us the living know they are alive but the dead are not aware of anything they don’t collect a salary
“Fire doesn’t go out…worm doesn’t die.” Meaning no resurrection at any time, eternal death, annihilation. JW’s are correct in their teaching on “Hell.” I’m not a JW, but I agree that hell is not a literal place existence after death. “Second death”, resurrected to judgment after first death. Second death would be annihilation after resurrection to judgment…
“Knashing of teeth” would be the response, knowing that you truly missed out on eternal life.
I like many of your videos, but in this one I believe your biblical wrong …
Isn’t this what courts do. Show you your judgment. In some states this would be capital punishment..
There is eternal judgement where our spirits are eternal, eternal life without judgement in paradise, eternal death in suffering in hell!
Thanks. I did try and make the point that everyone should decide for themselves. I tend to lean one way, but there’s some good Christian men I know who agree with you. worm might be referring to that, might not, I keep an open mind. Μy point is JW’s don’t really teach any judgment. And I believe your exposition here is far more detailed than anything the WT has put out. Their arguments arnt even logically sound, which reveals how little their people know about the Bible.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry GOD only promised ETERNAL LIFE for those who exercised faith in Jesus and the Father. GOD won't give eternal life to wicked people and torture them forever. so why do you make GOD A LITERAL TORTURER?
Worms in hell? Wouldn't it make them sinner worms?
Gnashing of teeth? Spirit forms would have to be given false teeth naturally. But there will be no place to affix them.
All these videos seem to be a fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3:13.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry there is judgment, remember the separation of sheep and goat?
Jesus sent all of you to preach about the JW's???????
Yep, to shine light on lies
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 was written: "'You are my witnesses, ' is the utterance of Jehovah, even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
witnesses plural servant singular
Psalm 138:2 KJV - I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Jesus is the word❤️🔥
NAHHOOO!!!! 😂
God doesn't torment people for an eternity. Theirs nothing you can do to deserve such punishment. Even if you were bad every day it still doesn't account for eternal suffering. That's detestable to a loving God.
Eternal judgment is detestable to God? Show me a scripture that says that.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You don't know God. Many in the last days will say God didn't we do powerful works in your name?
But God says "away from me !!"
"Workers of lawlessness" !!!
@@LightoverDarkMinistry THE WICKED WILL NOT BE RESURRECTED AND NOT ETERNALLY TORTURED - ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live.
Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s
For you have turned your attention to them
To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
@@SergioMedina593 I’ll take that as a “I don’t have any scripture to support my position, so I’ll just call you unsaved, and an evil doer to feel better about my lack knowledge and reason.” But please, prove me wrong by given me scripture and an actual answer to the question
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 but what does that mean in hebrew culture? annihilation refers to a bringing of doom lol, and they wont be mentioned in heaven. how does that conflict with hellfire
Gehenna is not HELL it was a valley outside of the city
The way his lower-case "a"s are written is so shockingly lazy that they are lower-case "o"s.
Sir, please reconsider the purpose of a visual medium, i.e. writing for an audience who is trying to read the text as well as hear your voice.
THE WICKED WILL NOT BE RESURRECTED AND NOT ETERNALLY TORTURED - ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live.
Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s
For you have turned your attention to them
To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them.
“having a hope in God, which these men themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust.”
(Acts 24:15 ESV)
You're wrong again because you don't know the Scriptures.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth WICKED will NOT be raised up, as Isa 26 mentions, Acts 24 shows the unjust, and NOT ALL UNJUST are wicked.
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 A person is either righteous or wicked, just or unjust.
When the Bible says that there will be a resurrection of the just and unjust, it is using a merism (I know, you're not a bright guy so I'll explain. It means it uses two extremes like high and low, ie, it is saying that everyone will be resurrected).
I'd say do some studying but we both know that you won't.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth so ARE ALL unjust WICKED? yes or no. so why do YOU REJECT ISAIAH ? notice, the Bible uses a different word for WICKED vs the unjust/unrighteous. THIS IS VERY CLEAR AND STILL YOU REJECT AND DENY THE BIBLE - ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live.
Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s NOTICE WILL NOT RISE UP
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 Yes. All unjust are wicked.
I don't reject Isaiah. I reject your ignorant interpretation.
There are two types of people, those who are just and those who are unjust. Both will be resurrected.
ISA 26:14 They are dead; they will not live.
Powerless in death, they will not rise up.s
For you have turned your attention to them
To annihilate them and destroy all mention of them. THERE IS NO RESURRECTION FOR THE WICKED
Job 20:7 KJV
The perfect get destroyed Job 9:22 KJV
@@Scott48-m7e nope, Job thought that, and he is an imperfect human too.
@@mr.d.c.1914.1 Job is not the only one
@@Scott48-m7e of course, so you think GOD will truly destroy the righteous ones or save them?
The author of this video is saying one lie after another, to deny that hell and immortal soul are pagan doctrines is ridiculous, there is plenty of evidence to show that they are. Since he can't understand what is symbolic and what it literal he will NEVER have anything worthwhile to offer, his understanding is seriously flawed.
Hi! Author of the video here. What evidence do you have that they are pagan?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You need to know how unchristian those doctrines are and where they originated. Stumbling people with false information is a serious offense.
The difficulty lies in the fact that the meanings popularly attached to the English word “soul” stem primarily, not from the Hebrew or Christian Greek Scriptures, but from ancient Greek philosophy, actually PAGAN RELIGIOUS THOUGHT.
Greek philosopher Plato, for example, quotes Socrates as saying: “The soul, . . . if it departs pure, dragging with it nothing of the body, . . . goes away into that which is like itself, into the invisible, divine, immortal, and wise, and when it arrives there it is happy, freed from error and folly and fear . . . and all the other human ills, and . . . lives in truth through all after time with the gods.”-Phaedo, 80, D, E; 81, A.
The Greeks did not originate the idea of an underworld full of suffering souls, for the Babylonians thought of “the nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria) Yes, the Babylonians believed in the immortality of the soul.
“Of all classical Greek philosophers, the one who has had the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell is Plato.”-Histoire des enfers (The History of Hell), by Georges Minois, page 50.
“The soul that is sinning-it itself will die.” (Ezekiel 18:4) The dead “are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) If the soul dies and is unconscious, how could it suffer “eternal fire” or even the pain of everlasting separation from God?
In the Bible, the Hebrew and Greek words often translated “hell” actually refer to the common grave of mankind. For example, when Job suffered a painful illness, he prayed: “I wish you would hide me in my grave [“in hell,” Douay-Rheims Version].” (Job 14:13, Holy Bible-Easy-to-Read Version) Job wanted to rest, not in a place of torment or alienation from God, but in the grave
So you think the NT is pagan because it has some correspondence with hellenistic thought on eternal punishment. Have I summarized you accurately?
@@djparsons7363 So I was able to get this concept directly from scripture…so is the NT have pagan influence?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth No, you haven't. The NT is God's inspired word but the translators of the KJV put in the word "hell" in place of the original words meaning "grave". They are guilty of altering Scripture to promote a pagan lie, hell doesn't exist.