Vintage is old , plain old,like black and white televisions. The only people who like Vintage are old people ,people who are old before there time. No state of the art, mainly always looks better and most times is better. All this vintage talk, maybe l should dye my black hair grey and walk with a walking stick.
@@malikshabazz7596 It’s “before their time”. There (sic.) is always a state of the art. Vintage means so much more than old. Mainly always? The grey hair and walking-stick might lend you an air of style and dignity, although…..
I get why watch lovers are annoyed with modern Rolex. However a lot of vintage Rolex pieces are very hyped too and they come with a lot of problems due to their age, which can be costly to fix in the long term. Why not go for Tudor instead of vintage Rolex- as Tudor pieces are affordable and some are better quality watches, and both brands are part of the same family?
@@DrRolexPhD Yeah I get the same feeling when I put on one - modern or vintage. I was just lucky to grab some modern ones before this modern madness got out of control. I still don't think this hype is at its peak yet. I.e. no travelling more watches.
You reminded me of something I heard that Rolex won’t service watches before like 1990 I believe and of course as time goes by that scale of time they won’t service will go up to. Tudor is a great brand as well and super close to Rolex because they basically are Rolex but for people really wanting Rolex I think it’s a different itch to scratch. Rolex watches you could always get serviced at indep places and they should be very reliable for along time
I would rather buy new myself , 5 year warranty , better build , far better bracelet . No service required for 10 years . I do like the look of the vintage ones , bit like old cars they are more trouble , love your Gmt
This is true and is a fair point. Maintenance for vintage pieces are costly, as their parts have been long discontinued and are now hard to get. Especially for those who would only trust an RSC for a routine maintenance, a full service on an un-serviced vintage piece would be an absolute bill shocker (2x or more costly) as compared to a more modern piece as RSC would change many parts on a vintage piece.
Tudor are nice, but then you've got the naysayers going "Poor Mans Rolex" etc, and personally I think Breitling/Grand Seiko make better watches than Tudor and Rolex.
The only issue with even with the vintage Rolex is that they're also increasing in price where they're doubling in their original retail value which can price you out of your budget that you set for yourself for that particular vintage Rolex watch.
U say a modern gmt Batman is the same as everyone else’s as If everyone is wearing a Rolex lol , I’m in the pub trade and meet a lot people every day & I know 1 person who wears a Rolex , 8 years waiting for the call from an AD sounds extreme , I wear vintage omega & Raymond Weil but I put my name on a waiting list (through a bro in law who recently bought one off the shelf there & then just at Christmas ) for a Rolex so it will be good to see how long it takes for them to call , we just have 2 official Rolex dealers here in Ireland , the problem with buying a secondhand Rolex is I’d be afraid of buying a copy because they can make really good replicas in China now & they are floating around now on the grey market , if I pay big money I want to be 100% sure it’s the real deal
Don't go pre-ceramic / vintage just to be able to get a Rolex watch. Pre-ceramic also comes with a premium and you have to do a lot of due diligence on parts and originality. I would rather get the phased out 40mm ceramic sub instead, just a better watch imo.
The gratifying part IS the due diligence. Or the "journey". And the pre-ceramic premium is way more organic than the ceramic stuff, which is artificially inflated by grey dealers.
Very solid advice!!! I agree 100%. Put in your name for a modern Rolex, keep up with appearances, and friendly conversations from time to time with your AD. In the meantime enjoy other watches within reason, or go for vintage Rolex. If you get the call, great! Go buy and don't flip. That's what I've always done. I wait for my new Rolex and buy fun watches that I can enjoy, keep, or sell when I get the call. I can assure everyone, there will be a time when you will stick to one watch no matter how long you waited or wanted that Rolex. At the end of the day it's just a watch and we have only two wrists. As you progress in your collecting journey. You might come to realize less is more, quality, over quantity, function over form. The best collections are the most useful for your lifestyle. One watch, or one watch for every occasion for your lifestyle. When you have over 4-7 watches you will tend to forget most of them. You will not enjoy the watches that you haven't grown to bond with. You don't give a watch a chance to become a part of your personal style. Some of the best watches are the watches where a man wore that particular watch everyday. For me, I'm still in the journey and hunt for that next meaningful watch. I went from 10 decent watches to 3 do it all watches. Speedmaster Pro, JLC Reverso, Rolex Explorer 36mm 2021. I sold my Panerai, Sub ceramic date, IWC Mark 18, and a bunch of affordable entry level watches (Seiko's and what not). Now I'm on a list for a Pepsi, and looking to get a A Lange 1815 and Patek annual calendar in 10 years. In the end I will end up with 6 solid watches that I can leave my son with. So for those who wish for a Rolex. Keep at it, focus, save, and get your Rolex. This is a marathon not a sprint. These things are expensive and should be thought of carefully before you decide to make a serious purchase.
I’ve just added an aqua terra small seconds a few days ago . Spent some time comparing it with my dj 41 mm and op 41mm . I have a far bigger foot in the Rolex camp than I do in the omega camp but have to say love the aqua terra and think it is so much better than either of the Rolexes . Good discount and blinding watch that’s obtainable . Agree vintage is a definitely an option but then again so is omega . I think modern Rolex has become like some strange Easter egg hunt . I suppose this is driven by the fact that people think there’s some cash to be made if they sell.. but if you are wanting a watch to wear and enjoy like so many say then price is inconsequential. I get the sense that some are quite economical with the truth ..
@@DrRolexPhD went for the silver dial on bracelet . However I love this watch so much can see me adding the blue / gray dial on rubber further down the line .its such a well crafted piece the AR is so good that in most lights it looks as if there is no glass and the dial is just so damn sharp ..
if one is considering Datejust, do also consider OP date of rolex.... they aint that discernable from a distance. only 2mm difference. on the wrist it looks almost the same mid size looks. Rolex OP date at 34mm is also not that small Lug to Lug at 42mm....
Good advice. Lots to love in vintage Rolex for sure. As you know I put my name down at an AD and pretty much never thought it was going to happen but then when it did I was super happy. The problem is a lot of us normal people don’t have the expendable 6-12k sitting around all the time at a moments notice as it’s a lot to tie up for a maybe.
Vintage Rolex is a minefield. Hands, dials, bezels and other parts may have been replaced. You could find yourself with a frankenwatch if you are not careful. The level of expertise needed to safely venture into vintage Rolex-land can not be overstated. I bought a vintage Speedmaster a couple of years ago after buying "Moonwatch Only", a $290 comprehensive book covering all manual Speedmasters from 1957 to date, and I would say Speedmasters and other Omegas are safer to collect than vintage Rolex to begin with (although mint original Speedmasters are getting harder to come by year by year). I came to the conclusion that I could buy a watch in a little less than perfect condition so I could wear it regularly and save some money too.
I think it may be one of your popular videos actually. There are a lot of people who are tired of "surrendering their dignity" to Rolex ADs. This could lead to a couple of scenarios. The one you propose of course appeals to the collector type who probably has a lot more knowledge than most enthusiasts to the hobby, especially the new enthusiast. THE other scenario is the one that is surely taking place. People that might have gone to Rolex are finding themselves quite happy with Omega and Tudor and to a lesser extent, other brands. IN the end I do think that one thing most watch guys have in common: we love the hunt. Whether it's vintage Rolex or whatever else gets you going, we all share that quest for the new piece. Great episode!
Thanks Michael! Yeah I knew this one would ruffle some feathers! A lot of people said something like "vintage comes with a series of headaches that modern simply doesn't", and that's true, I agree. But overcoming those headaches, researching your way through reference numbers and parts numbers, avoiding the overpolished examples, finding a perfect amount of patina for you...these challenges make the hunt more gratifying in the end. I made this analogy in another comment. It's kinda silly but I think it works: buying that perfect vintage or pre-ceramic Rolex is like hunting a mammoth with your bare hands, whereas buying a modern Rolex from an AD is like setting a mammoth trap and checking-in on it every now and then. Now that I'm rewriting it, it sounds pretty dumb lol. BUT YOU GET MY POINT!!
I am sure someone like you with persistence at an AD should be able to secure something. You seem to have the right personality for this as you did very well at the RSC from your past videos. I own a modern GMT and a vintage Sub and my AD picked me for that GMT and I am not really a high roller, I am pretty much like you, an enthusiast. I am not a reseller as I genuinely love these watches. I am not a fan of other jewellery or other watches either. I was a Rolex fanboy since I was a kid, so I don't buy other stuff. My honest opinion, the vintage models are not nearly as nice as the modern ones in any way. I like my Sub because it was with me for many years, but watch wise it doesn't compare to a modern GMT or Sub. I would probably swap it for a new Sub if I could, but it is very comfortable and it flies under the radar more (Modern ones are way flashier, TBH not many people ever even noticed my 5 digit sub). People bashing the modern Rolex usually have never owned one, same for people bashing the modern jubilee. Modern jubilee is a work of art and the most comfortable bracelet I ever wore. By modern I am referred to current generation with the upgraded movements, not simply the ceramic. Buying vintage is a minefield of problems, you don't know the history of the watch and where it has been. I don't agree that vintage Rolex has more character, when I got my pre-ceramic in the 2000's it was THE common cookie cutter watch. Everyone had one. It took me a year to find because I didn't want to pay anywhere near market price and got it at like 45% off MSRP of a new one. At the current prices you're paying as much as a new one costs for a vintage one with a questionable history. The 40 or so hour power reserve is sketchy at best and usually dies after a day unworn, modern doesn't have this problem. Vintage is off 6-8 seconds per day even with RSC service, modern runs at +-1. Vintage bracelet is tinny and the clasp is kind of shitty but somewhat nostalgic. I would suggest picking up a Tudor and keeping your name on the list. If you aren't a high roller that Tudor will eventually serve as your travel watch. The black bays are basically a vintage sub minus a few cut corners.
I was recently able to get an OP 41 green from an AD without being a high roller I think they liked me but I have herd horror stories from some people. I think it matters the luck of the draw on who you get.
@@WatchUnwind You are right, it is the luck of the draw. A lottery of sorts, if you will. As of right now, a normal consumer will never be able to get his / her hands on any remotely sought-after pieces at an AD because that would equate to being given money.
F*** means Find, right? I was nearly put off by your rude thumbnail, even though I probably agreed with it. I would always choose an OMEGA for myself. Having watched your video, I find myself agreeing with you on every point you covered. It’s all about the heart and soul and character and history of the watch you love, after all. It’s not cool to walk into an AD with a huge wad of cash to buy a huge, lumpy, garish, overpriced Rolex. There are just two models which I would love to wear, however. An old 36mm Explorer (1016?) which doesn’t have the huge, sparkly numerals, and a Pepsi GMT-Master I or II. That’s all. Well done for standing up for taste and style in an increasingly trivial and flashy world.
I’ve only been buying neo vintage early 90s drilled lugs tritium dials (12470s, 16610s 16750s 16570s etc). These are my favourite SS Rolex’s from an ascetics perspective and the real value in the brand IMO. They are the next generation of true vintage and still are modern enough from a movement and construction perspective to be daily wearers. Best option right now inRolex world at least for me!! I’ve been so much more satisfied taking this approach that I’m considering selling off my moderns as I just don’t wear them as thy have no character.
Everyone hates Rolex and the grey market UNTIL... they get their watch for retail from an AD. Then, they love Rolex and want the prices to go higher so their watch is worth more.
Yeah that would be a great system FOR US. But these ADs would never do that because if they did, they wouldn't get people buying gold IWCs and Panerais in the meantime!
Would cause some real headaches for the retailers. What if the model you want and have paid for gets discontinued before you get an allocation? Can you imagine how many angry entitled customers they would have to deal with
The order would be placed with Rolex, money held by them - Rolex would retain the margin they’re giving to their retailers. Rolex would know rough timescales based on their production and customers that have paid Sick of seeing watches all over the world in jewellery stores or online auctions
I suggest buying your grail Rolex on the gray market at the same time getting on the waiting list for the same watch at the AD. Sell the old one when you get the call. You will probably make a profit.
Yeah, vintage is still good, though they are also starting to get very very pricey. A basic 1601 on bracelet (watch only) is around 5k these days! But it is understandable, as the prices of vintage pieces come close to modern ones, the modern ones will once again pull further ahead, thereby causing vintage pieces to follow suit in an endless, vicious cycle. I guess, today is always better than tomorrow to buy a sought-after piece, whether vintage or not.
At first I love the content you cover, it’s amazingly satisfying to me to see how much people are in collecting watches. Since I was 13 years old I had a interest in watches. I am a big fan of Rolex and I have purchased few in the past, my convenience with one of the AD last week was that they will be getting in more watches in late February and even those are already kinda pre-sold. So it’s always best to buy and collect a watch that talks to you and makes you good about it wearing it. Thx again.
regarding modern: if you buy then you can create memories with it. it is yours. you dont have to wear something that someone else experienced life with. regarding vintage: crappy clasps and jingly-jangly bracelets, no thanks!
I currently own 3 modern Rolexes and previously a YM-16622 which I sold as I just really cannot accept a stamped clasp of that quality compared to my modern Rolexes. At least the YM have SEL and solid center links, I can't imagine paying 10k or more to wear a stretched hollow bracelet with stamp clasp.
You know what? A lot of purists would say "OMG how dare you!" But I think that's actually pretty cool. And, WORST case scenario, you can get a new caseback. Good stuff man!
Great content, but I’d say it slightly different on the topic of buying modern vs buying neo-vintage/vintage/pre-ceramic - it’s the difference between buying a watch with character (i.e a pre-ceramic or vintage watch) vs buying a watch whose character has yet to be built. Meaning, yes I agree that chances are the 1994 Datejust you buy today would be different than the 1994 Datejust that someone else may own, but if you and someone else bought a modern Rolex today, fast forward 20+ years and I’m sure they will have their own character! It’s easy to hate them given the current situation though, I will admit.
Thank you! I hear you, and yes hopefully 2 Batmans bought today will look different 20 years from now. But idk. The ceramic bezel is designed to look new forever, which is a big turn-off for me. And the dial, well, we'll see. Something tells me modern Rolex dials will be pretty impervious to patina. But again, we'll see. Thanks again man!
I relate to rolex AD frustration too. Given I have seen how AD allocates their rolexes to the top dogs, friends and family (rightfully so), and how I have utilized my connection to get myself a new sub, I get it. I also know a patek collector who recently stopped with watch games, after the local AD (one of the 2 in his country), kept coercing him to buy all these grand complications (5496p, 5905p, 5270p) to get him into a list for 5212a, now telling him to buy a 5230g to "move up the list", he called it quits. in his country, rolex ads have daily waitlist (ppl just wait in line like black friday, just to get w.e available; each person limited to prof. model a yr), which i actually think encourages resellers, to my disgust I do see the point on buying vintage rolex, or recently discontinued rolexes, instead of AD. some of them are still more affordable than modern, in production rolexes (considering retail or grey price). Bracelet wise, the jingle jangle bracelet actually is a bit charming and more comfortable, though you surely miss the glidelock or easy link. However, going this route., I do not recommend unless the watch lover knows wtf he is doing. the difficulty in getting the cost (esp. if RSC refuses service), high chance of watch being previously frankened, the compromise in daily wear, due to age, all should be factored in. parts are harder to find, sometimes water resistance is compromised, cases are overpolished, and movement does act quirky, despite recent serviciing. Many buy a crappy old mercs or porsches, then get owned by the huge repair bills, and then let go at a loss. vintage rolexes are the same. In short, buying a vintage rolex should only be for someone who wants THAT vintage rolex, for its notable features (i.e. 40mm case polar, no-cyclops sea-dweller 4000, or the ability to swap bezels to coke or black in 16710s) not replicated by modern offerings, who also understand the risks of potential upkeep cost. Also, know that these vintage rolexe, you are still paying over retail, even with inflation adjusted. Tudors are great alternative, and are more beater friendly. However, it is a close, but no cigar, and you will eventually want a rolex. tudors are great daily for you to rock, if you want 80% rolex fun, while flying under the radar and avoiding potential muggings. tudor, imho are good "transitional piece" or "complementary piece", in respect to the rolex counterparts. my suggestion, is still to try to get a watch at AD at retail if you can, without playing the games. utilize your friend/connection cards, utilize your presistance, if you have no money. it works. If you still need to scratch the itch, get a tudor, used (more cost efficient) or new from AD, and wait it out. My comment is based on my current and past rolex/tudor ownership experiences, involving AD, grey, used and vintage. (new sub from AD, recently discontinued modern rolex, a vintage 5 digit, and a used tudor BB)
I liked the video and there is some true. Some of vintage pieces looked very classy and some lovely with a bit patina at the indices. But if you think about it getting a GMT 16710 is 300% above the original cost now. I had a 16710 for almost 20 years. I liked the modern GMT with bigger markers and a bit more of a statement. Four months ago I did a straight trade on my 16710 Pepsi to a friend for an unworn DJ 41mm. Wimblendon dial-fluted-jubilee. I have no regrets.
Yes Doc, buy vintage if that’s all you can buy. Don’t buy vintage because you’re afraid of someone nearby wearing the same watch. That NEVER happens. The Rolex being worn right next to you, is a also vintage……. his AD didn’t sell him a ceramic panda Daytona either.
Great video - no surprise that I agree with this. So much of the ceramic Rolex desire out there is directly related to AD's refusals to sell punters pieces - it drives people mad. We are so used to retail shops pandering to us, and sales people groveling to make a sale, that when we see a shop refuse our money it drives us crazy. And of course, there're the bragging rights and flexing on social media that a retail piece will get someone. If you factor all the mind-fu#%ery out of it, and just look at the watches from an aesthetic point of view, the 5 digits come out on top. That's a subjective statement, of course! But Rolex could have transitioned to the ceramic pieces in a much more fluid way: less polished services, more compact cases, more narrow bezels inserts - but they went upmarket.
Totally agree. Wouldn't it be nice if the ceramics maintained those classic proportions? Although tbh, I still prefer aluminum bezels. The worst culprit is the Batman. I mean, can you imagine buying that ugly pos? Terrible. Anyone who buys that watch is an absolute moron.
I wish I were like that. I wish I could just decide which watch I wanted. If I could, I wouldn't decide that I wanted vintage Rolex, I'd decide that I wanted cheap, excellent Seiko. But I can't. I'm superficial: I just like modern Rolex and seem to be stuck here. It's chocolate vs licorice. I like chocolate. I don't like licorice. And no amount of even objective, logical argument will make me like licorice.
Yeah but the vintage world is a scary place. Unless you're willing to pay big bucks to an expert who can find a good piece for you, you're bound to get something that's been polished, repaired or replaced. Especially the further back in time you go. Which I understand is part of the thrill. But not sure I'm ready to play that game quite yet. Vintage feels like an expert's game and if someone is buying their first Rolex, I doubt they're an expert.
Bought my Wimbledon 41mm, combination of jubilee bracelet and fluted bezel at the AD. After about 1.5 years. Yup, required me to have history with buying a Tudor GMT last year. Buuuut let’s be honest, that’s not enough. Building a rapport with my watch sales agent. Remembering him on holidays, birthdays, and whatever. Not anything significant but creating a bond with him/her. Aaaaaan where’s the watch!? In a safe lock box after; hmmm…. yeah 15 mins of wear. Is it my dream watch!? No. So I like it? Sure. Love it? No. I enjoyed the hunt far more than the purchase. Before I get hate… Why did I do it!?AD strongly eluded that I would get the watch I wanted which was the Rolex Submariner this year. I’m sure most here don’t have their 1st car. So unlikely that I’ll keep it long term. At least till I get my submariner. Good video, cheers beautiful people!
Fully agree. I don't like modern Rolex because they look like showoff items. I do have a 1967 5513 with rivet bracelet and that is indeed a totally different - grail - dimension. My dream Rolex (which I will probably never be able to get) ? 1950s 6542 GMT Master Pussy Galore - with bakelite-radium bezel on rivet bracelet. I also bought some 1960s Omega and Heuer stunners. I once did leave my name at a Rolex AD for a DJ rhodium but I'm no longer interested, even if the call comes one day. Love for modern Rolex is dead.
You have to hunt for any Rolex these days new or vintage. I have both but prefer the modern Rolex with superior movements and bracelets. To each his own.
Great effort.. I'm down for a 36mm OP. Yes the game is annoying and feels like too much effort, but just like you I'll never sell that watch (green or black. Whichever they allocate first).... so I'm willing to wait even if it's 2 or 3 years . I'm not in a rush. Luckily I do have some history with the AD, having bought an Omega Speedmaster 1861 3 years ago, but that's all (I've sold it since)... so hopefully that will help... Edit. Pre ceramic is stunning. I love the two line Sub... but look forward to my shiny new OP that I can use for many years ahead and add scratches and memories Have you handled the new op? How are they? I've only briefly tried one and it seems perfect
Although I love the look of vintage Rolex with faded ghost bezel and tropical dials, I am too afraid to buy vintage. I feel the same when it comes to buying a used car. I also don't like that I'm wearing a watch that already had a story from it's previous owner. Like others said my solution to this first world problem is buy a Tudor. They still have the aluminium bezel that will fade over time and it will be me that is creating the story. I feel that Rolex went with the ceramic bezel because it will always look shiny and new. I want it to age with me, that way it looks as vintage as I do. lol However, I'm all about the dial and bezel, not so much about movements and even whether it's automatic or quartz. A large part of my 42 watch collection are Timex watches which I love just as much as some of my luxury watches. Everyone comes to this hobby with different wants and needs and I respect everyone's opinion and love learning from all the different ways people appreciate their watches. Great channel and great video.
Thank you Stephen, I appreciate that! I can't argue with that. Tudor is making what Rolex USED TO make: aluminum bezel tool watches that will age with you. That's what I wanted too. I don't want a shiny, new-looking ceramic bezel in 20 years. I want a 20 year old looking watch!
I don’t like buying a used car not because of the story but because I don’t want ripped leather seats, to put a quart of oil in it every month, and to have a rusted undercarriage 😂
I recently had occasion to visit some old friends, and while enjoying some adult beverages and losing badly at 8-ball I related my new-found interest in watches: collecting them, wearing them, enjoying how it feels to have time attached to my wrist. I was wearing a properly, legitimately branded piece that cost me about 1.5% the price of the Rolex which it resembles. Our host ran upstairs and returned with an obvious fake Daytona that a friend had given him years ago. He knew it was a fake, and so did his friend. Now it's mine, traded for a pristine copy of "Thriller" on vinyl (I had two). That fake, and the various "show-mage" watches that resemble Rolex models, are the closest I'll ever get to owning a Rolex, new or vintage, and I'm way more than OK with that. The money I'm saving by not needing a Rolex (or any other multi-thousand dollar watch) is going to retire my mortgage early and get me a Triumph Tiger.
Am I reading this right, you now wear a fake Daytona? Have no problem with homage but there is no excuse or justification for wearing a fake watch, in my opinion. I understand the frustration of not being able to get the watch want, but if it’s not fees-able for you why not just find a alternative.
@@rsfan9296 Apologies for the misunderstanding; I should have been more clear. I don't wear it. It doesn't even function properly. It just sits in my watch box to remind me how much I don't need or even want a Rolex.
AD should limited amount of same model for same buyer... AD are the one that created the grey market by selling whom has expended more money with them, which basically the majority of those customers are the one flipping .
The only way.. and the only only way.. is to boycott Rolex. Don’t bother buying it from the AD. Stop leaving your names. Stop buying second hand, trust me the cards will fall. The flippers will panic, the second hand dealers will panic. There is ALOT of modern Rolex in the market; there just is very little people wearing it. So supply > demand (if demand refers to genuine users)
Great vid. I have a 16570 Polar from 2001, which I love, but I can’t imagine not liking the modern sub more because of the maxi case/dial and ceramic bezel. As someone who owned a modern sub, you really think I would regret selling the Polar to upgrade, don’t you? Your Coke is amazing btw! You sold your modern Rolexes and don’t regret it?
? to you make it VALERIES ? I was not able to make it. - any idea what it would cost at the RSC - to change a dial on a 31mm OP. ? thanks doc . ~ JDS/CT
I didn't, unfortunately. I'm went back to school so between my full time job and full time school, I have no time. I don't know what a dial swap would cost, but I know they'd only do it during a full service, which is gonna cost >$700 anyway. I'd guess it's like 100 bucks more.
@@DrRolexPhD ok thank you. - I had a furnace issue, I did not go. I wish I had been able to make it. - for you , it would have been great content. good luck with your studies. ~ JDS/CT
While I agree with a lot of your points, buying vintage Rolex can be an absolute mine field.......franken watches, watches needing service, fakes, poor timing are only a few problems associated with vintage. The superior bracelets and movements, mint condition, and guarantee authenticity of a new modern Rolex make it the the obvious choice for me....but in the end it's whatever brings you happiness so I respect your choice.
Fair enough, and to each is own. But that's another thing that makes buying vintage so gratifying (I should've mentioned this): after all that hunting and researching, you feel like you've taken down a mammoth with your bare hands. As opposed to buying modern, in my opinion, which is like taking down a deer with an ak-47.
@@DrRolexPhD lol....yes, I see your point about the challenge of the hunt but the problem is when the mammoth wins and you lose a ton of money when what you thought was a great deal turns a out to be garbage. There's something to be said for a sure thing.
@@DrRolexPhD a sure thing as far as them increasing in value but buying anything pre-owned can never be a sure thing in other regards. There is always a risk of getting a watch with the problems I listed above.
Rolex direct sales seems the way to go. Although modern Rolex in my opinion are now a clinical flexing tool without character. The only exception, as I’m biased, is the explorer 39mm. A classic and it’s always a good sign when you never see them in the wild.
Yeah I would give a pass to the Explorer, and probably the Explorer 2. The best system FOR US would be direct sales, and Rolex Geneva would make the same money (although I'd have to think about that), but the ADs would fight tooth and nail to prevent that. The current system is just too lucrative for them.
They know what they are doing and the AD gave me such a run around for almost 6 months before they told me straight out I wasn’t going to get just a Sub. So I bought the best 16610 V serial I could a 2009 watch cost me 10.8k but I love it and will pass it down to my son one day.
Dude, great move! That's an amazing watch you got. Better than the modern Sub, in my opinion (many, many people would disagree, but whatever, I think the comfort and classic proportions of the 16610 make it superior).
That is still $10k under grey market new GMTs. Seems fair to me in this market. I prefer the five digit over the new so it seems like it is well worth it to guys like me. I’d much prefer my 16710 with two bracelets and three bezels making six watches. I’m glad not everyone agrees. One of the real detriments of social media is the narrowing of preferences. The moser we all want the same thing the less likely we are to all be able to get that thing.
Well said your dead right, I think the Rolex brand is damaged now with real collectors, the only people who are buying them now are plippers and people who want to invest there money but not wear them.
Although I agree with you, I think its important to remember that this problem did not exist few years back and hopefully will not exist few years from now. I a meantime lets enjoy our pre-cramic gmts 😉
Great video as always. Love the new jubilee on your 16710. While I agree with most of it there is one point missing in regards to the true wait list model. How would the AD deal with 1000s of people lining up on day one after a new release to get on the wait list? Keep up the great work and keep enjoying the hunt. I know I’m doing the same as you and it is enjoyable. PS: Please don’t stoop to the low level of the title art. You are classier then that.
Thanks man! Yeah I'm loving the jubilee too, so dang comfortable. Oh I'm not in favor of the list model. I think it would be pandemonium. What do you mean about the title art?
Oh haha yeah, I hear you. Idk I couldn't find a better way to illustrate my title. Thumbnail-making is a weird process and sometimes you end up with stuff like this lol. For another example of thumbnail weirdness, check out my video called "Rolex Fanboy wants an Omega"
get on a list.. and in the meantime get something else to keep you company for the wait.. a tudor, an omega. then sell it if needed. the value of rolex will make up for the loss
How will you lose money if you have a Rolex? If your able to buy a Rolex at retail price you are walking around with free money on your wrist. Even the vintage watches are going over what their list prices were
@@DrRolexPhD I have the Rootbeer and Bluesy. I think they are a cut above the stainless steel models. My takes if you are spending that type of money might as well get some gold.
Rolex will be my first luxury watch , my only one if I can saved enough but I couldn't because is getting more expensive especially the grey market and none in the AD. So I gave up and go for Omega.
Omega has it's own merits, but if you want a Rolex, you'll never be satisfied with an Omega. You'll waste money flipping it. That's just my opinion, because that's essentially what happened to me.
Its crazy , we have more and more people crying about heartless AD and demand and prices grows like mushrooms after rain, just f this Rolex bullshit and go buy different brand if you love watches, oh no sorry most semi expensive brands do not guarantee any profit if you want sell watch after while and 99% people do not recognize what you have on wrist. This Rolex pop culture is sad thing.
Dr Rolex PHD, you are so funny hilarious, where do people get this notion, this foolishness from about old be better,more gratifying. Watches have charter, no vintage is just plain old,like black and white televisions. This other thing you are talking about, current Rolex is more common, vintage more exclusive. This l am different because I have what someone else does not have is sick. Lastly going with your advice more people would be wearing more vintage than the most beautiful Rolex 124060. I have handled old and current watches the Rolex submariner 124060 is absolutely beautiful.
Looking for a unpolished pre ceramic Rolex, is like looking for a 40 year old virgin girlfriend. Just look if it’s not over polished. I hope your RUclips channel will grow as fast as possible. So you can buy the real shit🔥.
Go buy the new omega speedy on a sapphire sandwich while you wait for “the call” you will not be disappointed. Or for the time being until you find a nice pre-ceramic.
It takes money to buy modern Rolex. It takes knowledge to buy vintage. Great video, Doc!
There it is.
I've tried 100 different ways to say this! Perfect, succinct. Thanks Danny!
Vintage is old , plain old,like black and white televisions.
The only people who like Vintage are old people ,people who are old before there time.
No state of the art, mainly always looks better and most times is better.
All this vintage talk, maybe l should dye my black hair grey and walk with a walking stick.
@@malikshabazz7596 yeah maybe it'll give you some character.
@@malikshabazz7596 It’s “before their time”. There (sic.) is always a state of the art. Vintage means so much more than old. Mainly always? The grey hair and walking-stick might lend you an air of style and dignity, although…..
I get why watch lovers are annoyed with modern Rolex. However a lot of vintage Rolex pieces are very hyped too and they come with a lot of problems due to their age, which can be costly to fix in the long term. Why not go for Tudor instead of vintage Rolex- as Tudor pieces are affordable and some are better quality watches, and both brands are part of the same family?
Yes, yes, and yes.
I hear you, I like Tudor a lot and I wanna buy a BB58 blue.
BUT....
Rolex is the brand that makes my balls tingle.
You should know whom you are buying from. Don’t just buy any watch you found. Find more about the seller first.
@@DrRolexPhD Yeah I get the same feeling when I put on one - modern or vintage. I was just lucky to grab some modern ones before this modern madness got out of control. I still don't think this hype is at its peak yet. I.e. no travelling more watches.
@@jamiesieu801 oh yeah, it's far from over.
You reminded me of something I heard that Rolex won’t service watches before like 1990 I believe and of course as time goes by that scale of time they won’t service will go up to. Tudor is a great brand as well and super close to Rolex because they basically are Rolex but for people really wanting Rolex I think it’s a different itch to scratch. Rolex watches you could always get serviced at indep places and they should be very reliable for along time
I would rather buy new myself , 5 year warranty , better build , far better bracelet . No service required for 10 years . I do like the look of the vintage ones , bit like old cars they are more trouble , love your Gmt
This is true and is a fair point. Maintenance for vintage pieces are costly, as their parts have been long discontinued and are now hard to get. Especially for those who would only trust an RSC for a routine maintenance, a full service on an un-serviced vintage piece would be an absolute bill shocker (2x or more costly) as compared to a more modern piece as RSC would change many parts on a vintage piece.
I have a two tone DJ with blue bezel since 45 years. I still remember with nostalgia the day my parents gave it to me …
Tudor are nice, but then you've got the naysayers going "Poor Mans Rolex" etc, and personally I think Breitling/Grand Seiko make better watches than Tudor and Rolex.
An actual wait list would be the worst. It literally would not take 8 years, it would take generations.
The only issue with even with the vintage Rolex is that they're also increasing in price where they're doubling in their original retail value which can price you out of your budget that you set for yourself for that particular vintage Rolex watch.
It take money, connections and “stupidity” to buy modern Rolexes. I have switched to Omegas.
U say a modern gmt Batman is the same as everyone else’s as If everyone is wearing a Rolex lol , I’m in the pub trade and meet a lot people every day & I know 1 person who wears a Rolex , 8 years waiting for the call from an AD sounds extreme , I wear vintage omega & Raymond Weil but I put my name on a waiting list (through a bro in law who recently bought one off the shelf there & then just at Christmas ) for a Rolex so it will be good to see how long it takes for them to call , we just have 2 official Rolex dealers here in Ireland , the problem with buying a secondhand Rolex is I’d be afraid of buying a copy because they can make really good replicas in China now & they are floating around now on the grey market , if I pay big money I want to be 100% sure it’s the real deal
Just damned tired of this whole situation. Very frustrating. WTF should I have to go through all this hassle to get a product I’m paying for?
I know, it's frustrating as hell.
how do you avoid frankenwatches if you go vintage and are not super savvy?
Don't go pre-ceramic / vintage just to be able to get a Rolex watch. Pre-ceramic also comes with a premium and you have to do a lot of due diligence on parts and originality.
I would rather get the phased out 40mm ceramic sub instead, just a better watch imo.
The gratifying part IS the due diligence. Or the "journey".
And the pre-ceramic premium is way more organic than the ceramic stuff, which is artificially inflated by grey dealers.
My dad bought 2 gold Rolexes from an ad last year and got a panda Daytona after 1 month of buying the 2 gold watches. There s no wait list.
Is your dad a drug dealer? he dropping that paper
You get bling and latest technology with modern Rolex!
Two things I don't need from my wristwatch!
Them vintage rolex are more expensive than modern rolex….
Very solid advice!!! I agree 100%. Put in your name for a modern Rolex, keep up with appearances, and friendly conversations from time to time with your AD. In the meantime enjoy other watches within reason, or go for vintage Rolex. If you get the call, great! Go buy and don't flip. That's what I've always done. I wait for my new Rolex and buy fun watches that I can enjoy, keep, or sell when I get the call. I can assure everyone, there will be a time when you will stick to one watch no matter how long you waited or wanted that Rolex. At the end of the day it's just a watch and we have only two wrists. As you progress in your collecting journey. You might come to realize less is more, quality, over quantity, function over form. The best collections are the most useful for your lifestyle. One watch, or one watch for every occasion for your lifestyle. When you have over 4-7 watches you will tend to forget most of them. You will not enjoy the watches that you haven't grown to bond with. You don't give a watch a chance to become a part of your personal style. Some of the best watches are the watches where a man wore that particular watch everyday. For me, I'm still in the journey and hunt for that next meaningful watch. I went from 10 decent watches to 3 do it all watches. Speedmaster Pro, JLC Reverso, Rolex Explorer 36mm 2021. I sold my Panerai, Sub ceramic date, IWC Mark 18, and a bunch of affordable entry level watches (Seiko's and what not). Now I'm on a list for a Pepsi, and looking to get a A Lange 1815 and Patek annual calendar in 10 years. In the end I will end up with 6 solid watches that I can leave my son with. So for those who wish for a Rolex. Keep at it, focus, save, and get your Rolex. This is a marathon not a sprint. These things are expensive and should be thought of carefully before you decide to make a serious purchase.
I’ve just added an aqua terra small seconds a few days ago . Spent some time comparing it with my dj 41 mm and op 41mm . I have a far bigger foot in the Rolex camp than I do in the omega camp but have to say love the aqua terra and think it is so much better than either of the Rolexes . Good discount and blinding watch that’s obtainable . Agree vintage is a definitely an option but then again so is omega . I think modern Rolex has become like some strange Easter egg hunt . I suppose this is driven by the fact that people think there’s some cash to be made if they sell.. but if you are wanting a watch to wear and enjoy like so many say then price is inconsequential. I get the sense that some are quite economical with the truth ..
Awesome watch, the AT small second. Congrats!
Which color did you get?
@@DrRolexPhD went for the silver dial on bracelet . However I love this watch so much can see me adding the blue / gray dial on rubber further down the line .its such a well crafted piece the AR is so good that in most lights it looks as if there is no glass and the dial is just so damn sharp ..
Yea I wanted an explorer 1 but I went to Omega also and got the slate blue AT. Oddly enough they’re very close at price point.
if one is considering Datejust, do also consider OP date of rolex.... they aint that discernable from a distance. only 2mm difference. on the wrist it looks almost the same mid size looks. Rolex OP date at 34mm is also not that small Lug to Lug at 42mm....
Good advice. Lots to love in vintage Rolex for sure. As you know I put my name down at an AD and pretty much never thought it was going to happen but then when it did I was super happy. The problem is a lot of us normal people don’t have the expendable 6-12k sitting around all the time at a moments notice as it’s a lot to tie up for a maybe.
Vintage Rolex is a minefield. Hands, dials, bezels and other parts may have been replaced. You could find yourself with a frankenwatch if you are not careful. The level of expertise needed to safely venture into vintage Rolex-land can not be overstated.
I bought a vintage Speedmaster a couple of years ago after buying "Moonwatch Only", a $290 comprehensive book covering all manual Speedmasters from 1957 to date, and I would say Speedmasters and other Omegas are safer to collect than vintage Rolex to begin with (although mint original Speedmasters are getting harder to come by year by year).
I came to the conclusion that I could buy a watch in a little less than perfect condition so I could wear it regularly and save some money too.
I think it may be one of your popular videos actually. There are a lot of people who are tired of "surrendering their dignity" to Rolex ADs. This could lead to a couple of scenarios. The one you propose of course appeals to the collector type who probably has a lot more knowledge than most enthusiasts to the hobby, especially the new enthusiast. THE other scenario is the one that is surely taking place. People that might have gone to Rolex are finding themselves quite happy with Omega and Tudor and to a lesser extent, other brands. IN the end I do think that one thing most watch guys have in common: we love the hunt. Whether it's vintage Rolex or whatever else gets you going, we all share that quest for the new piece. Great episode!
Thanks Michael!
Yeah I knew this one would ruffle some feathers!
A lot of people said something like "vintage comes with a series of headaches that modern simply doesn't", and that's true, I agree. But overcoming those headaches, researching your way through reference numbers and parts numbers, avoiding the overpolished examples, finding a perfect amount of patina for you...these challenges make the hunt more gratifying in the end.
I made this analogy in another comment. It's kinda silly but I think it works: buying that perfect vintage or pre-ceramic Rolex is like hunting a mammoth with your bare hands, whereas buying a modern Rolex from an AD is like setting a mammoth trap and checking-in on it every now and then.
Now that I'm rewriting it, it sounds pretty dumb lol. BUT YOU GET MY POINT!!
I am sure someone like you with persistence at an AD should be able to secure something. You seem to have the right personality for this as you did very well at the RSC from your past videos. I own a modern GMT and a vintage Sub and my AD picked me for that GMT and I am not really a high roller, I am pretty much like you, an enthusiast. I am not a reseller as I genuinely love these watches. I am not a fan of other jewellery or other watches either. I was a Rolex fanboy since I was a kid, so I don't buy other stuff.
My honest opinion, the vintage models are not nearly as nice as the modern ones in any way. I like my Sub because it was with me for many years, but watch wise it doesn't compare to a modern GMT or Sub. I would probably swap it for a new Sub if I could, but it is very comfortable and it flies under the radar more (Modern ones are way flashier, TBH not many people ever even noticed my 5 digit sub). People bashing the modern Rolex usually have never owned one, same for people bashing the modern jubilee. Modern jubilee is a work of art and the most comfortable bracelet I ever wore. By modern I am referred to current generation with the upgraded movements, not simply the ceramic.
Buying vintage is a minefield of problems, you don't know the history of the watch and where it has been. I don't agree that vintage Rolex has more character, when I got my pre-ceramic in the 2000's it was THE common cookie cutter watch. Everyone had one. It took me a year to find because I didn't want to pay anywhere near market price and got it at like 45% off MSRP of a new one. At the current prices you're paying as much as a new one costs for a vintage one with a questionable history. The 40 or so hour power reserve is sketchy at best and usually dies after a day unworn, modern doesn't have this problem. Vintage is off 6-8 seconds per day even with RSC service, modern runs at +-1. Vintage bracelet is tinny and the clasp is kind of shitty but somewhat nostalgic.
I would suggest picking up a Tudor and keeping your name on the list. If you aren't a high roller that Tudor will eventually serve as your travel watch. The black bays are basically a vintage sub minus a few cut corners.
I was recently able to get an OP 41 green from an AD without being a high roller I think they liked me but I have herd horror stories from some people. I think it matters the luck of the draw on who you get.
@@WatchUnwind You are right, it is the luck of the draw. A lottery of sorts, if you will. As of right now, a normal consumer will never be able to get his / her hands on any remotely sought-after pieces at an AD because that would equate to being given money.
@@user-qi1xi8gd5u yeah my OP green is going for 19k or 13k over retail they eventually gave me a down payment on a house but I ain’t selling
@@WatchUnwind Congrats! You got a highly sought-after piece. Always good to hear someone who truly likes the watch gets it in the end.
Sorry you may have answered this already but where did you get your jubilee bracelet?
Very nice watch.
Thank you!
I got it directly from RSC for $1250
F*** means Find, right? I was nearly put off by your rude thumbnail, even though I probably agreed with it. I would always choose an OMEGA for myself. Having watched your video, I find myself agreeing with you on every point you covered. It’s all about the heart and soul and character and history of the watch you love, after all. It’s not cool to walk into an AD with a huge wad of cash to buy a huge, lumpy, garish, overpriced Rolex. There are just two models which I would love to wear, however. An old 36mm Explorer (1016?) which doesn’t have the huge, sparkly numerals, and a Pepsi GMT-Master I or II. That’s all. Well done for standing up for taste and style in an increasingly trivial and flashy world.
Haha, thanks Mike!
Yeah I knew the title/thumbnail would throw people off, but I gotta reel em in somehow! I hope you get that GMT.
I’ve only been buying neo vintage early 90s drilled lugs tritium dials (12470s, 16610s 16750s 16570s etc). These are my favourite SS Rolex’s from an ascetics perspective and the real value in the brand IMO. They are the next generation of true vintage and still are modern enough from a movement and construction perspective to be daily wearers. Best option right now inRolex world at least for me!! I’ve been so much more satisfied taking this approach that I’m considering selling off my moderns as I just don’t wear them as thy have no character.
Everyone hates Rolex and the grey market UNTIL... they get their watch for retail from an AD. Then, they love Rolex and want the prices to go higher so their watch is worth more.
Lol yup, that pretty much sums it up!
Bro yes I do agree with you. But you still want get rid of that Rolex itch of buying the watch from an AB.
But I thought even vintage Rolex were selling at a premium.
Yeah they are, but the premiums are more organic.
Rolex AD are powerless to help enthusiasts. Don’t blame AD.
immagine an exclusive club without a list.. just first-come first-in policy. would be a shit house.
Should be allowed to pay for the watch upfront, with an indication of timescales at the point of order. If it’s 5 years then so be it 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah that would be a great system FOR US.
But these ADs would never do that because if they did, they wouldn't get people buying gold IWCs and Panerais in the meantime!
Would cause some real headaches for the retailers.
What if the model you want and have paid for gets discontinued before you get an allocation?
Can you imagine how many angry entitled customers they would have to deal with
The order would be placed with Rolex, money held by them - Rolex would retain the margin they’re giving to their retailers.
Rolex would know rough timescales based on their production and customers that have paid
Sick of seeing watches all over the world in jewellery stores or online auctions
Wouldn’t say that if you got one would you? Nah,didn’t think so.
I suggest buying your grail Rolex on the gray market at the same time getting on the waiting list for the same watch at the AD. Sell the old one when you get the call. You will probably make a profit.
That’s an interesting approach but for some people they might never get the call
Yeah, vintage is still good, though they are also starting to get very very pricey. A basic 1601 on bracelet (watch only) is around 5k these days! But it is understandable, as the prices of vintage pieces come close to modern ones, the modern ones will once again pull further ahead, thereby causing vintage pieces to follow suit in an endless, vicious cycle. I guess, today is always better than tomorrow to buy a sought-after piece, whether vintage or not.
At first I love the content you cover, it’s amazingly satisfying to me to see how much people are in collecting watches. Since I was 13 years old I had a interest in watches. I am a big fan of Rolex and I have purchased few in the past, my convenience with one of the AD last week was that they will be getting in more watches in late February and even those are already kinda pre-sold. So it’s always best to buy and collect a watch that talks to you and makes you good about it wearing it. Thx again.
My pleasure, thank you for the kind words!
I hope you're right! I hope Rolex starts sending out more watches.
Interesting I wonder if my AD will be getting watches around then too
@@WatchUnwind. Most of the time all the ADs get there supplies at. Same time.
100% got a 114270 and 14060 was funny saving, searching, and buying them. also they are great pieces that i wear everyday!
Great pieces!
regarding modern: if you buy then you can create memories with it. it is yours. you dont have to wear something that someone else experienced life with.
regarding vintage: crappy clasps and jingly-jangly bracelets, no thanks!
I currently own 3 modern Rolexes and previously a YM-16622 which I sold as I just really cannot accept a stamped clasp of that quality compared to my modern Rolexes. At least the YM have SEL and solid center links, I can't imagine paying 10k or more to wear a stretched hollow bracelet with stamp clasp.
Well said, completely agree. Envious of that serif bezel
Thank you!
Yeah I love it. I'm on the lookout for a serif Pepsi bezel too, but they're so hard to find.
That's why I had my 126610 sub subtly engraved on the edge of the case back. It"s mine for life and it now has a marking connected to me
You know what? A lot of purists would say "OMG how dare you!" But I think that's actually pretty cool. And, WORST case scenario, you can get a new caseback.
Good stuff man!
Great content, but I’d say it slightly different on the topic of buying modern vs buying neo-vintage/vintage/pre-ceramic - it’s the difference between buying a watch with character (i.e a pre-ceramic or vintage watch) vs buying a watch whose character has yet to be built. Meaning, yes I agree that chances are the 1994 Datejust you buy today would be different than the 1994 Datejust that someone else may own, but if you and someone else bought a modern Rolex today, fast forward 20+ years and I’m sure they will have their own character! It’s easy to hate them given the current situation though, I will admit.
Thank you!
I hear you, and yes hopefully 2 Batmans bought today will look different 20 years from now. But idk. The ceramic bezel is designed to look new forever, which is a big turn-off for me. And the dial, well, we'll see. Something tells me modern Rolex dials will be pretty impervious to patina. But again, we'll see.
Thanks again man!
Well I don’t know man
The problem is that most ADs don’t get 503 steel Daytona’s even in 30 years.
Yup. Allocation is probably like 3-4 steel Daytonas for the regular mid-sized AD a year. It's going to be a looooong time.
I relate to rolex AD frustration too. Given I have seen how AD allocates their rolexes to the top dogs, friends and family (rightfully so), and how I have utilized my connection to get myself a new sub, I get it. I also know a patek collector who recently stopped with watch games, after the local AD (one of the 2 in his country), kept coercing him to buy all these grand complications (5496p, 5905p, 5270p) to get him into a list for 5212a, now telling him to buy a 5230g to "move up the list", he called it quits. in his country, rolex ads have daily waitlist (ppl just wait in line like black friday, just to get w.e available; each person limited to prof. model a yr), which i actually think encourages resellers, to my disgust
I do see the point on buying vintage rolex, or recently discontinued rolexes, instead of AD. some of them are still more affordable than modern, in production rolexes (considering retail or grey price). Bracelet wise, the jingle jangle bracelet actually is a bit charming and more comfortable, though you surely miss the glidelock or easy link. However, going this route., I do not recommend unless the watch lover knows wtf he is doing. the difficulty in getting the cost (esp. if RSC refuses service), high chance of watch being previously frankened, the compromise in daily wear, due to age, all should be factored in. parts are harder to find, sometimes water resistance is compromised, cases are overpolished, and movement does act quirky, despite recent serviciing. Many buy a crappy old mercs or porsches, then get owned by the huge repair bills, and then let go at a loss. vintage rolexes are the same. In short, buying a vintage rolex should only be for someone who wants THAT vintage rolex, for its notable features (i.e. 40mm case polar, no-cyclops sea-dweller 4000, or the ability to swap bezels to coke or black in 16710s) not replicated by modern offerings, who also understand the risks of potential upkeep cost. Also, know that these vintage rolexe, you are still paying over retail, even with inflation adjusted.
Tudors are great alternative, and are more beater friendly. However, it is a close, but no cigar, and you will eventually want a rolex. tudors are great daily for you to rock, if you want 80% rolex fun, while flying under the radar and avoiding potential muggings. tudor, imho are good "transitional piece" or "complementary piece", in respect to the rolex counterparts.
my suggestion, is still to try to get a watch at AD at retail if you can, without playing the games. utilize your friend/connection cards, utilize your presistance, if you have no money. it works. If you still need to scratch the itch, get a tudor, used (more cost efficient) or new from AD, and wait it out. My comment is based on my current and past rolex/tudor ownership experiences, involving AD, grey, used and vintage. (new sub from AD, recently discontinued modern rolex, a vintage 5 digit, and a used tudor BB)
I liked the video and there is some true. Some of vintage pieces looked very classy and some lovely with a bit patina at the indices. But if you think about it getting a GMT 16710 is 300% above the original cost now. I had a 16710 for almost 20 years. I liked the modern GMT with bigger markers and a bit more of a statement. Four months ago I did a straight trade on my 16710 Pepsi to a friend for an unworn DJ 41mm. Wimblendon dial-fluted-jubilee. I have no regrets.
Yes Doc, buy vintage if that’s all you can buy. Don’t buy vintage because you’re afraid of someone nearby wearing the same watch. That NEVER happens. The Rolex being worn right next to you, is a also vintage……. his AD didn’t sell him a ceramic panda Daytona either.
Lol yeah you're probably right.
I love all rolex except Celline I loving on the 40mm sea dweller now next on my list of a aluminum bezel Pepsi keep the content coming bro
Thanks man!
Go for the Pepsi!!
Where you been Dr.!!!!!????? Headed to Wempe today to check out a Glashütte🤞🤞. Hope you’re doing well man🤙🤙
I had no prior purchase history with this AD and I still got my watch in 3 months. He’s a good guy.
Dang Lori, that's awesome!
That's what I'm hoping with happen with my AD. In the meantime, I'm tooling around with the pre-ceramics.
What watch model was it?
Totally agreed! For me it was the 16610 sub with lug holes & the start of super luminova around the early 2000’s.
Beautiful!
I owned that watch (no holes, from 2005) and I traded it for my current 16710 with holes.
Great video - no surprise that I agree with this. So much of the ceramic Rolex desire out there is directly related to AD's refusals to sell punters pieces - it drives people mad. We are so used to retail shops pandering to us, and sales people groveling to make a sale, that when we see a shop refuse our money it drives us crazy. And of course, there're the bragging rights and flexing on social media that a retail piece will get someone. If you factor all the mind-fu#%ery out of it, and just look at the watches from an aesthetic point of view, the 5 digits come out on top. That's a subjective statement, of course! But Rolex could have transitioned to the ceramic pieces in a much more fluid way: less polished services, more compact cases, more narrow bezels inserts - but they went upmarket.
Totally agree. Wouldn't it be nice if the ceramics maintained those classic proportions? Although tbh, I still prefer aluminum bezels.
The worst culprit is the Batman. I mean, can you imagine buying that ugly pos? Terrible. Anyone who buys that watch is an absolute moron.
@@DrRolexPhD Lol, I hear ya! ;p
@@watchsymposium lol ;)
give me a new over used any day.. but I respect everyone's opinion. but I cant stand that flimsy feel of vintage watches
I call em light and airy!
You just made your Rolex modern!!
I want to sell my sub that i purchased 12/2021 where can i sell it ?
Chrono24 probably. If you're not comfortable with that, then a dealers like Watchbox or Crown and Caliber.
I wish I were like that.
I wish I could just decide which watch I wanted.
If I could, I wouldn't decide that I wanted vintage Rolex, I'd decide that I wanted cheap, excellent Seiko.
But I can't.
I'm superficial: I just like modern Rolex and seem to be stuck here.
It's chocolate vs licorice. I like chocolate. I don't like licorice. And no amount of even objective, logical argument will make me like licorice.
Hmmm, fair enough. Can't argue with that!
Yeah but the vintage world is a scary place. Unless you're willing to pay big bucks to an expert who can find a good piece for you, you're bound to get something that's been polished, repaired or replaced. Especially the further back in time you go. Which I understand is part of the thrill. But not sure I'm ready to play that game quite yet.
Vintage feels like an expert's game and if someone is buying their first Rolex, I doubt they're an expert.
Yeah that's a good point. It really is a challenge to get that perfect piece. But if you're willing to do it, it's worth it.
Bought my Wimbledon 41mm, combination of jubilee bracelet and fluted bezel at the AD. After about 1.5 years. Yup, required me to have history with buying a Tudor GMT last year. Buuuut let’s be honest, that’s not enough. Building a rapport with my watch sales agent. Remembering him on holidays, birthdays, and whatever. Not anything significant but creating a bond with him/her. Aaaaaan where’s the watch!? In a safe lock box after; hmmm…. yeah 15 mins of wear. Is it my dream watch!? No. So I like it? Sure. Love it? No. I enjoyed the hunt far more than the purchase. Before I get hate… Why did I do it!?AD strongly eluded that I would get the watch I wanted which was the Rolex Submariner this year. I’m sure most here don’t have their 1st car. So unlikely that I’ll keep it long term. At least till I get my submariner. Good video, cheers beautiful people!
Thank you!
Nice! Keep the Wimbledon until you get the Sub. Who knows. By then, you might want to have both to switch in and out of.
Fully agree. I don't like modern Rolex because they look like showoff items. I do have a 1967 5513 with rivet bracelet and that is indeed a totally different - grail - dimension. My dream Rolex (which I will probably never be able to get) ? 1950s 6542 GMT Master Pussy Galore - with bakelite-radium bezel on rivet bracelet. I also bought some 1960s Omega and Heuer stunners. I once did leave my name at a Rolex AD for a DJ rhodium but I'm no longer interested, even if the call comes one day. Love for modern Rolex is dead.
You have to hunt for any Rolex these days new or vintage.
I have both but prefer the modern Rolex with superior movements and bracelets. To each his own.
True. To reach is own.
I prefer the pre-ceramic bracelets for their lightness.
Great effort.. I'm down for a 36mm OP. Yes the game is annoying and feels like too much effort, but just like you I'll never sell that watch (green or black. Whichever they allocate first).... so I'm willing to wait even if it's 2 or 3 years . I'm not in a rush.
Luckily I do have some history with the AD, having bought an Omega Speedmaster 1861 3 years ago, but that's all (I've sold it since)... so hopefully that will help...
Edit. Pre ceramic is stunning. I love the two line Sub... but look forward to my shiny new OP that I can use for many years ahead and add scratches and memories
Have you handled the new op? How are they? I've only briefly tried one and it seems perfect
Thank you!
Yes you can see my trying it on at the end of my video called "Rolex shopping NYC"
Although I love the look of vintage Rolex with faded ghost bezel and tropical dials, I am too afraid to buy vintage. I feel the same when it comes to buying a used car. I also don't like that I'm wearing a watch that already had a story from it's previous owner. Like others said my solution to this first world problem is buy a Tudor. They still have the aluminium bezel that will fade over time and it will be me that is creating the story. I feel that Rolex went with the ceramic bezel because it will always look shiny and new. I want it to age with me, that way it looks as vintage as I do. lol However, I'm all about the dial and bezel, not so much about movements and even whether it's automatic or quartz. A large part of my 42 watch collection are Timex watches which I love just as much as some of my luxury watches. Everyone comes to this hobby with different wants and needs and I respect everyone's opinion and love learning from all the different ways people appreciate their watches. Great channel and great video.
Thank you Stephen, I appreciate that!
I can't argue with that. Tudor is making what Rolex USED TO make: aluminum bezel tool watches that will age with you. That's what I wanted too. I don't want a shiny, new-looking ceramic bezel in 20 years. I want a 20 year old looking watch!
I don’t like buying a used car not because of the story but because I don’t want ripped leather seats, to put a quart of oil in it every month, and to have a rusted undercarriage 😂
Yes sir!
I recently had occasion to visit some old friends, and while enjoying some adult beverages and losing badly at 8-ball I related my new-found interest in watches: collecting them, wearing them, enjoying how it feels to have time attached to my wrist. I was wearing a properly, legitimately branded piece that cost me about 1.5% the price of the Rolex which it resembles. Our host ran upstairs and returned with an obvious fake Daytona that a friend had given him years ago. He knew it was a fake, and so did his friend. Now it's mine, traded for a pristine copy of "Thriller" on vinyl (I had two). That fake, and the various "show-mage" watches that resemble Rolex models, are the closest I'll ever get to owning a Rolex, new or vintage, and I'm way more than OK with that. The money I'm saving by not needing a Rolex (or any other multi-thousand dollar watch) is going to retire my mortgage early and get me a Triumph Tiger.
Hey man, can't argue with that!
Am I reading this right, you now wear a fake Daytona?
Have no problem with homage but there is no excuse or justification for wearing a fake watch, in my opinion. I understand the frustration of not being able to get the watch want, but if it’s not fees-able for you why not just find a alternative.
@@rsfan9296 Apologies for the misunderstanding; I should have been more clear. I don't wear it. It doesn't even function properly. It just sits in my watch box to remind me how much I don't need or even want a Rolex.
@@rangersmith4652 watch collecting is definitely more simple if you aren’t collecting Rolex. Lots of other good brands out in the market
AD should limited amount of same model for same buyer... AD are the one that created the grey market by selling whom has expended more money with them, which basically the majority of those customers are the one flipping .
Yeah I can agree with that.
Great video, older Rolex have personality the modern Rolex just do not. My dream watch is the Rolex Submariner two tone blue dial model 16613.
Thank you!
That's a fantastic watch. I hope you get it soon!
Well said my friend 💛 I am still wearing my 21 year old Day Date, and enjoying every bit of it
Thank you!
Oh man, that's a beautiful watch. They're so timeless that I can't even tell they're vintage when I see them. Awesome stuff 😎
The only way.. and the only only way.. is to boycott Rolex. Don’t bother buying it from the AD. Stop leaving your names. Stop buying second hand, trust me the cards will fall. The flippers will panic, the second hand dealers will panic. There is ALOT of modern Rolex in the market; there just is very little people wearing it. So supply > demand (if demand refers to genuine users)
Great vid. I have a 16570 Polar from 2001, which I love, but I can’t imagine not liking the modern sub more because of the maxi case/dial and ceramic bezel. As someone who owned a modern sub, you really think I would regret selling the Polar to upgrade, don’t you? Your Coke is amazing btw! You sold your modern Rolexes and don’t regret it?
Thanks man!
Absolutely! I couldn't be happier. The modern ones have little negatives that, for me, make it unsuitable for daily wear.
? to you make it VALERIES ? I was not able to make it. - any idea what it would cost at the RSC - to change a dial on a 31mm OP. ? thanks doc . ~ JDS/CT
I didn't, unfortunately. I'm went back to school so between my full time job and full time school, I have no time.
I don't know what a dial swap would cost, but I know they'd only do it during a full service, which is gonna cost >$700 anyway. I'd guess it's like 100 bucks more.
@@DrRolexPhD ok thank you. - I had a furnace issue, I did not go. I wish I had been able to make it. - for you , it would have been great content. good luck with your studies. ~ JDS/CT
While I agree with a lot of your points, buying vintage Rolex can be an absolute mine field.......franken watches, watches needing service, fakes, poor timing are only a few problems associated with vintage. The superior bracelets and movements, mint condition, and guarantee authenticity of a new modern Rolex make it the the obvious choice for me....but in the end it's whatever brings you happiness so I respect your choice.
Fair enough, and to each is own.
But that's another thing that makes buying vintage so gratifying (I should've mentioned this): after all that hunting and researching, you feel like you've taken down a mammoth with your bare hands. As opposed to buying modern, in my opinion, which is like taking down a deer with an ak-47.
@@DrRolexPhD lol....yes, I see your point about the challenge of the hunt but the problem is when the mammoth wins and you lose a ton of money when what you thought was a great deal turns a out to be garbage. There's something to be said for a sure thing.
@@ron74555 well I'd argue the pre-ceramics are a sure thing!
@@DrRolexPhD a sure thing as far as them increasing in value but buying anything pre-owned can never be a sure thing in other regards. There is always a risk of getting a watch with the problems I listed above.
Still prefer the Modern over Vintage.
Rolex lost its way!
Rolex direct sales seems the way to go. Although modern Rolex in my opinion are now a clinical flexing tool without character. The only exception, as I’m biased, is the explorer 39mm. A classic and it’s always a good sign when you never see them in the wild.
Yeah I would give a pass to the Explorer, and probably the Explorer 2.
The best system FOR US would be direct sales, and Rolex Geneva would make the same money (although I'd have to think about that), but the ADs would fight tooth and nail to prevent that. The current system is just too lucrative for them.
How much was the jubilee? Keep it up!
Thanks David!
It was $1250
Yeah for the average Joe this may be the only way. Or go with seiko, Sinn, Oris all fantastic watches!!
They know what they are doing and the AD gave me such a run around for almost 6 months before they told me straight out I wasn’t going to get just a Sub. So I bought the best 16610 V serial I could a 2009 watch cost me 10.8k but I love it and will pass it down to my son one day.
Dude, great move! That's an amazing watch you got. Better than the modern Sub, in my opinion (many, many people would disagree, but whatever, I think the comfort and classic proportions of the 16610 make it superior).
How did they tell you? What was their exact wording “ were not going to sell that to you”
Pre ceramic gmts are going for atleast 14k. That’s alot
I know, it's nuts. But it's organic, and the price is the natural market price.
That is still $10k under grey market new GMTs. Seems fair to me in this market. I prefer the five digit over the new so it seems like it is well worth it to guys like me. I’d much prefer my 16710 with two bracelets and three bezels making six watches. I’m glad not everyone agrees. One of the real detriments of social media is the narrowing of preferences. The moser we all want the same thing the less likely we are to all be able to get that thing.
@@mikemike-hl8cw amen brother! Very well said, I couldn't agree more.
I, too, am loving my 6-in-1 GMT!
Well said your dead right, I think the Rolex brand is damaged now with real collectors, the only people who are buying them now are plippers and people who want to invest there money but not wear them.
Wow! What an awesome video! I completely agree with your logic. It's about time for someone to speak the truth.
Thanks man!
I am for the numbered list, and I would go further than that. The list is registered with Rolex. In this environment that is the only way to be fair.
Fair, yes.
Lucrative, no.
So you had modern Rolex and then sold them ?
Yes sir
@@DrRolexPhD I was confused because I thought you said you wouldn’t sell one if an AD sold you one.
@@BFit25 I've never bought anything from an AD. Every Rolex I've bought has been on the pre-owned market.
Although I agree with you, I think its important to remember that this problem did not exist few years back and hopefully will not exist few years from now. I a meantime lets enjoy our pre-cramic gmts 😉
Great video as always. Love the new jubilee on your 16710.
While I agree with most of it there is one point missing in regards to the true wait list model. How would the AD deal with 1000s of people lining up on day one after a new release to get on the wait list?
Keep up the great work and keep enjoying the hunt. I know I’m doing the same as you and it is enjoyable.
PS: Please don’t stoop to the low level of the title art. You are classier then that.
Thanks man! Yeah I'm loving the jubilee too, so dang comfortable.
Oh I'm not in favor of the list model. I think it would be pandemonium.
What do you mean about the title art?
@@DrRolexPhD just the double bird
Oh haha yeah, I hear you. Idk I couldn't find a better way to illustrate my title. Thumbnail-making is a weird process and sometimes you end up with stuff like this lol. For another example of thumbnail weirdness, check out my video called "Rolex Fanboy wants an Omega"
Great... another "journey"
Lol
get on a list.. and in the meantime get something else to keep you company for the wait.. a tudor, an omega. then sell it if needed. the value of rolex will make up for the loss
Amen.
Rolex doesnt protect their custmoer, you will loose money if you have rolex.
How will you lose money if you have a Rolex? If your able to buy a Rolex at retail price you are walking around with free money on your wrist. Even the vintage watches are going over what their list prices were
consider TT Rolex Sports watches, They are easier to get at AD. Bluesy and Rootbeer are stunning!
and YM40
I agree!
I like two-tone Rolex more and more every day!
@@DrRolexPhD I have the Rootbeer and Bluesy. I think they are a cut above the stainless steel models. My takes if you are spending that type of money might as well get some gold.
Rolex will be my first luxury watch , my only one if I can saved enough but I couldn't because is getting more expensive especially the grey market and none in the AD. So I gave up and go for Omega.
Omega has it's own merits, but if you want a Rolex, you'll never be satisfied with an Omega. You'll waste money flipping it.
That's just my opinion, because that's essentially what happened to me.
If everyone had a modern rolex you’d have one to. Your justification are invalid, to buy vintage.
Lol
The best Rolex is the one the scratches your itch!
Amen brother!
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Its crazy , we have more and more people crying about heartless AD and demand and prices grows like mushrooms after rain, just f this Rolex bullshit and go buy different brand if you love watches, oh no sorry most semi expensive brands do not guarantee any profit if you want sell watch after while and 99% people do not recognize what you have on wrist. This Rolex pop culture is sad thing.
Great video, and absolutely spot on 👍🏼
Thanks Karl!
One of the best RUclipsrs! Amazing guy, amazing knowledge, keep up the awesome work
Aw man, thank you!
@@DrRolexPhD
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Dr Rolex PHD, you are so funny hilarious, where do people get this notion, this foolishness from about old be better,more gratifying.
Watches have charter, no vintage is just plain old,like black and white televisions.
This other thing you are talking about, current Rolex is more common, vintage more exclusive. This l am different because I have what someone else does not have is sick.
Lastly going with your advice more people would be wearing more vintage than the most beautiful Rolex 124060.
I have handled old and current watches the Rolex submariner 124060 is absolutely beautiful.
The problem with not buying directly from an AD is that the piece even with box and papers may be fake. That's the kicker.
Yeah if you're buying on places like eBay, and MAYBE even Chrono24. But if you buy from a reputable dealers with a physical store, it won't be fake.
Looking for a unpolished pre ceramic Rolex, is like looking for a 40 year old virgin girlfriend. Just look if it’s not over polished.
I hope your RUclips channel will grow as fast as possible. So you can buy the real shit🔥.
Lol. Thanks man!
Those are easy to find you just have to find the fat Mormon girls no one else wanted
Go buy the new omega speedy on a sapphire sandwich while you wait for “the call” you will not be disappointed. Or for the time being until you find a nice pre-ceramic.
Hey, I can't argue with that!
I'd love a new speedy, I think they're incredible.
You watch Archie luxury he lost it on the AD recently lol
Lol yeah, watched it yesterday
@@DrRolexPhD haha nice he’s losing his mind ahah great video though your watch is looking great
“You can’t get modern Rolex.” Two minutes later: “Modern Rolex is cookie cutter. Everyone has that one.” Lolz