After beating the dlc I can definitely look back and say this is my favorite fight in the whole game. Messmer is the full package as both a boss and a character. Mechanically he’s fun to fight because despite how hard and aggressive he is, he never feels unfair. I never raged much fighting him because it was satisfying to learn his kit and the fight is just really fun overall. The presentation, atmosphere, and ost are fantastic. And lore wise he is actually a perfect foil to Miquella. All the trailers made Messmer look like a diabolical, genoocidal psychopath whose actions were so evil that he was erased from history. But in game he’s actually a pretty chill dude who was well liked and inspired loyalty from the people around him, Radahn even looked up to him as a big brother. When one of his black knights betrays him, Messmer doesn’t torture or kill him like you’d expect a villian would, he instead just imprisons him and mourns the loss of a brother at arms. He even has an entire clinic in his castle for treating and trying to cure the shaman jars. That same castle is built in a way that protects and hides his mother’s village. It’s clear he only did evil things because Marika ordered him to, and it becomes really tragic that he was essentially abandoned by her and only realized it upon death. Between his strength, intelligence, and loyalty I have no doubt Messmer could have been one of the most revered demi gods if he was actually allowed to pursue his own ambitions, right up there with Radahn and Godwyn. He instead ends up dying alone and abandoned with no legacy to leave behind because he was erased from history. A fate that not even the omen brothers suffered. Meanwhile Miquella is said to be a beautiful kind hearted savior who in reality is a monster who only inspires loyalty because it’s literally his ability to enchant and manipulate people. He casts aside his humanity in order to become a god and he plans on enslaving everyone beneath him under a guise of love. God I love this game.
Who many scadutree blessings did you have when you fight messmer I has so strong that I killed him in my 3 attempte I want to replay the dlc but I don't want to make my character stronger than the actual boss
The only thing i couldnt really understand is why the war never stopped, The hornsent were pretty much wiped out eons ago, Messmer couldve just called it a day and left to the lands between long ago
@@simran789654 My guess is that he didn’t leave simply because no one told him to. “My purpose standeth unchanged” that line and the tone in which he says it leads me to believe that Marika’s order that he lead crusades against the hornsent (and other creatures stripped of the grace of gold) was to be carried out indefinitely, and as-long as there was even a single one left, his goal was incomplete.
@@MarcellusMaize I really like how Miyazaki foreshadowed this pre-release by calling Messmer a "heroic" character, That and the "they were never saints" line in the trailer, It shouldve been obvious
It’s funny because it’s very obvious that he’s also supposed to be an analogous of the devil for Elden ring, cursed fire, an unholy serpent like the snake of Eden, in a world where light and gold are divine and holy he is the abyssal serpent that can block and swallow all light, and yet he was STILL like this, basically a devil who didn’t want to be one
I love how he sounds just kinda sick of marika's shit. Like his job is to kill those without the grace of gold and now he learns marika wanta a tarnished to become elden lord and he's just like "mother, are you for fucking real right now?"
The SICKEST boss cinematic I think I’ve ever seen. The snake eye inches away from your face in the beginning gave me CHILLS bro. And the second phase with his eye missing and the snake coiled up in his socket, oh my god I lost my mind. 10/10 game I swear.
Are you really expecting those streamers to know anything about the lore bro. I think only Wraff and a couple others know remotely anything about what's going on.
@@mercylavigne Do you really expect most players, let alone streamers to bother with any of the lore? Fromsoft games have garnered a certain reputation, and their games are seen as nothing more than “the hard games”. Nothing more than a challenge to overcome for the sake of bragging rights. The playerbase is way too big to expect that, those who know anything about what’s going on are the tiny minority. Even among those that do know, a lot of players are still confused and trying to piece everything together(such as myself)if not just straight up lost. That’s just a consequence of Fromsoft’s storytelling. People are used to being told stories with everything laid out for them, being shown every single event that happens. The 99% won’t ever think to look at an item description, and they’d definitely never think that item descriptions could hold relevant narrative information. And to be clear, I’m not throwing flak at anyone who doesn’t know what’s going on. I’m just pointing out that this is simply the way it is.
@@crowned2637 Marika calling you and all tarnished happens before the game begins, she calls you and all tarnished so that one of you will become her elden lord (or someone else's, depending on the ending you choose), that's what he's talking about, you are a possible lord, he's asking why Marika would even bother with someone who lost the grace of the golden order as her lord.
I love that he acknowledges your strength when you go to phase two “a lord bereft of light?” He realizes he can now shed his remaining light since your strong as a lord
I love that Messmer isn’t exactly mad about being abandoned by Marika, rather he’s mad that she abandoned the Tarnished but let them return. He’s not mad, he’s jealous.
It seems there is a lot of paradox and confusion in Messmer. He loves his mother, yet he feels hatred towards her for abandoning him. He doesn't want to be 'a lord devoid of light', yet he knows he is a one. He hates himself for his snake curse, yet he chooses to use its power. He kills those stripped of Grace of Gold, yet he's also a one. He sees Tarnished as an inferior, yet he's jealous of their grace and chance to become an Elden Lord. Yep, when you see Messmer, you start to think what could have been...
Messmer needs a buff to his hp in the 2nd phase. Either give him more hp from the start, increase his resistances or give him a form of life steal attack.
I might be the only one who thinks this but I think his second phase is significantly easier than the first. Idk it just has this sort of rhythm that I was able to latch on to quickly.
He was ironically enough the easiest boss for me. Very very telegraphed moves like nameless king level of telegraph, plus 80 strength and guts great sword were taking chunks out his health. Still loved his fight and the cut scenes were 10/10
@@FlawlessKamHe was easy for you because you used Guts sword lol I struggled hardcore on him for a bit. Switched to Guts sword build and beat him second attempt
I wish he had more health. It pisses me off that they give the best bosses less health but bosses that r bullshit like Malenia get 2 full health bars. It's fucking infuriating. What's their reasoning for even giving Messmer less health? Cos he does a lot of damage? Radahn does ridiculous and has almost bs abilities as well yet gets massive hp.
Elajjaz really has the right attitude. He is calm, enjoys discovering the bosses and he doesn't add a ton to make his stream fun. I didn't know him before but he seems cool.
Apparently I wasn't the only one surprised by Messmer. Though I did go the back way into the Church District. That made it extra shocking for some reason.
My initial reaction was "Ok, wait don't do th- awww! Now *you're* stripped of the grace of gold, and have to meet death in the embrace of Messmer's flame, ya idiot"
He’s insulted that you a tarnished who is devoid of the blessing of Marika has come to slay someone of his stature, and take the Elden throne. He was also left to rot in the realm of shadows due to his companionship with the abysal serpent.
honestly with the more human bosses i have a so much easier time than with the more monsterlike bosses like the dancing lion took me 90+ tries but i got messmer in like 9 idk maybe thats because u can actually see what the bosses are doing.
Totally can agree there. Dancing Lion, Scadutree Avatar and Bayel took me probably over 10 attempts each to defeat, but Messmer only took me two. The more humanoid bosses feel a lot easier to read for me, although Rellana took me several tries😅
@@ironic4910 Oh, don't get me wrong, I thought Bayle was awesome, but the problem for me was that the camera was also zoomed so close in that I had a difficult time knowing what was coming my way, mainly during the second phase when he flies around. It's mainly the camera I hated about the Bayle fight, although Bayle himself was really sick!
@robertmunoz7058 I had a different experience cause I was with a mage character, and I was always standing in front of him so I could see his attacks and casting 1 comet it was the only spell that he didn't punish I also always stand in front of their face cause of midir in dark souls 3 cause he is almost immune to damage unless you hit his head
@@outlastingflame1614 nah but it would make sense if her second healthbar were to be her phase 2 or if phase 1 had overall lower health I just find her first phase to be really boring, phase 2 is really fun though but is shorter for some reason
Yeah before entering the boss arena , the messages they all say snake ahead and I thought maybe be a snake lvl section and I don't expect it to be just a straight messmar So I just got the fuck out and explored every other areas and found him moderate difficult but what a cool ass boss , he makes me want to do a fragment lvl 1 run by how enjoyable his fight is ,flaming up his spear before the thrust attacks ,his whole boss fights is so damn satisfying and that grab move when he impale us that sound effect oh my
Props to you man I haven't even beaten mesmer yet I did beat rellana, the divine beast, And golden Hippo THE GOLDEN HIPPO IS THE MOST BS BOSS IN THIS GAME !!!! in my opinion
A lot of Messmer's lines he cuts off his sentences halfway through so it sounds like he's just being pointed. What he's actually saying there is "I will not suffer...A lord devoid of light.". He's saying he refuses to allow you to become the elden lord because you're tarnished and not favored by the grace of gold. Ironic considering you're one of the only ones left who actually IS favored since you can see the graces.
He also has so much recovery time, I was actually so sad when I beat him because his voice acting was so fantastic. He's so badass and I barely get to fight him, that's why I help everyone I can fight him so I get to learn all his moves and everything
It seems like that golden eye infused with grace, acted as a seal to his curse. Probably given to him by his mother Marika. I want to see what Vaati thinks.
I’d guess it’s more like just the last bit of grace he had. In order to attempt to beat us, he fully succumbs to the abyssal snake. Perhaps if we had actually died here, he would’ve killed himself afterward since he no longer Grace himself
@@loomingmoon4682what we do know is that similar to how Malenia was born afflicted with rot, Messmer was born afflicted with the snake. Thus Marika bestowed the seal as his eye upon his birth in order to conceal the truth.
@@thegrandmaster1637 Personally think that the snake could've been a blessing of the crucible as a way to help Marika in her crusade against the hornsent that seemed to have tarnished the sanctity of life by trying to create saints out of the shamans. I mean if you take a better look at the snakes themselves then you realize that the symbols from real religion they're a reference to all have positive connotations (e.g. winged serpent=Quetzalcoatl, white serpent being connected to good luck and so on) and the only reason Messmer was shunned for these features was because Marika was under control of the Greater will/leader of the Golden order which despised the Crucible and saw the blessings as curses
Got second phase on my second try and beat him at 21 attempts. He doesnt have a lot of health and he also get afflicted by rot poison and bleed which makes my build a great counter. On the flip side Malenia doesnt care much about rot and poison so i struggle hard. Half the bosses in this dlc are built for me 🎉
A lot of people f seems like crazy before the dlc. Then grabbed a lot of the scadutree blessings. What was the level and was it first playthrough or was it one of the ng+ levels? Aha st was your build? Were you using a summon. How many hours have you put into this and other Soulslikes? All of these things have impacts. The have is a easy or as hard as you choose to make it. Only no hit sl1 no upgraded weapons people can tell me they think it's easy. The rest all fall in a spectrum
Yeah honestly. At first he seems a bit much with how aggressive his attacks are but they're not bad to dodge and once you get o his 2nd phase its already almost over.
It took me 3 hours. I once got so close, he was legit one hit but I choked heavily which boomed my mental and I thought he’s impossible lmao. Definitely not the hardest fights tho, I did make so many stupid mistakes
Funny thing is he was kinda right, that eye is literally Marika's scarseal/soreseal. "Solemn duty weighs upon the one beholden; not unlike *a gnawing curse* from which there is no deliverance." Remembrance of the Impaler: A malevolent snake writhed within Messmer, and so *his very mother plucked out his eye and put in its place a seal of grace.* Yet, having done so, her fear compelled her to secret away her child within the realm of shadow.
I explorer everything in the map before fighting this boss and i had like 14 scadutree blessings so I killed him in my 3 attempte I was so sad cause it give me that felling that I just beat him because I was over level
I think you are meant to fight Mesmer as one of the penultimate bosses in the game. It is cool that you can fight him much earlier if you want too (if you're good enough!), but seeing how his flame is required to progress the story as you head towards the final chapter.... it would make sense to have at least 13 -14 fragments before facing him.
Messmer is more of a gatekeeper boss. The games basically telling you if you can’t beat him then the final boss will slaughter you so no you did exactly what you were supposed to do
It actually _is_ dependent on the character in question, since both are used in-universe. There’s no way in hell the likes of Patches or Boggart would say “standeth” rather than “stands”
@@MrNorbi001 education bro? NOBODY speaks like that anymore. Sometimes it's just really funny to see those bosses speaking in such articulate way. It's almost comical in some instances.
no bs tho from nerfed the fuck out of his VA, he sounded so baddass in the trailers but in game he sounds depressed af and almost unwilling to fight you
That may have been the point. The trailers made Messmer look like a diabolical genocidal psychopath, but in the actual game he’s honestly a pretty chill dude who Radahn even looked up to lmao. The real menace of the dlc is actually Miquella whose whole thing is appearing as a graceful kind hearted savior when in reality he’s a monster. Makes for good intentional misdirection.
@@ShinStriderHiryu I don't think it's jealousy rather than him having resigned to his fate of dying to us as a stepping stool to becoming Elden lord. If my memory serves me right Marika once told all her children that they needed to find a purpose and make themselves useful, otherwise they'd be discarded and Messmer seemed to be the only one to understand that Marika meant that if they weren't useful, they would be usurped by the tarnished on their way to become Elden lord. I think that's also why he's the only one to actually recognize us as the Elden lord from the moment we step into his boss room
![[ELDEN RING] Let me solo him](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/w7VAnzwBE1o/mqdefault.jpg)
The reactions are nice, but lets not forget that those stripped of the grace of gold shall all meet death, in the embrace of Messmers flame.
Also don't forget to embrace thine oblivion, as shall I.
“I am Malenia, Blade of Mi-“
“Put these foolish ambitions to re-“
“NoOoWw wE cAn deVoUr thE gOds toGethaah!”
how original…
Messssmers flame
@@Metalton95 THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kai's death jump from 191 to 286 just for getting to second phase first time is insane
After beating the dlc I can definitely look back and say this is my favorite fight in the whole game. Messmer is the full package as both a boss and a character.
Mechanically he’s fun to fight because despite how hard and aggressive he is, he never feels unfair. I never raged much fighting him because it was satisfying to learn his kit and the fight is just really fun overall. The presentation, atmosphere, and ost are fantastic. And lore wise he is actually a perfect foil to Miquella.
All the trailers made Messmer look like a diabolical, genoocidal psychopath whose actions were so evil that he was erased from history. But in game he’s actually a pretty chill dude who was well liked and inspired loyalty from the people around him, Radahn even looked up to him as a big brother. When one of his black knights betrays him, Messmer doesn’t torture or kill him like you’d expect a villian would, he instead just imprisons him and mourns the loss of a brother at arms. He even has an entire clinic in his castle for treating and trying to cure the shaman jars. That same castle is built in a way that protects and hides his mother’s village.
It’s clear he only did evil things because Marika ordered him to, and it becomes really tragic that he was essentially abandoned by her and only realized it upon death. Between his strength, intelligence, and loyalty I have no doubt Messmer could have been one of the most revered demi gods if he was actually allowed to pursue his own ambitions, right up there with Radahn and Godwyn. He instead ends up dying alone and abandoned with no legacy to leave behind because he was erased from history. A fate that not even the omen brothers suffered.
Meanwhile Miquella is said to be a beautiful kind hearted savior who in reality is a monster who only inspires loyalty because it’s literally his ability to enchant and manipulate people. He casts aside his humanity in order to become a god and he plans on enslaving everyone beneath him under a guise of love. God I love this game.
Who many scadutree blessings did you have when you fight messmer I has so strong that I killed him in my 3 attempte I want to replay the dlc but I don't want to make my character stronger than the actual boss
The only thing i couldnt really understand is why the war never stopped, The hornsent were pretty much wiped out eons ago, Messmer couldve just called it a day and left to the lands between long ago
@@simran789654 My guess is that he didn’t leave simply because no one told him to. “My purpose standeth unchanged” that line and the tone in which he says it leads me to believe that Marika’s order that he lead crusades against the hornsent (and other creatures stripped of the grace of gold) was to be carried out indefinitely, and as-long as there was even a single one left, his goal was incomplete.
@@MarcellusMaize I really like how Miyazaki foreshadowed this pre-release by calling Messmer a "heroic" character, That and the "they were never saints" line in the trailer, It shouldve been obvious
It’s funny because it’s very obvious that he’s also supposed to be an analogous of the devil for Elden ring, cursed fire, an unholy serpent like the snake of Eden, in a world where light and gold are divine and holy he is the abyssal serpent that can block and swallow all light, and yet he was STILL like this, basically a devil who didn’t want to be one
kai got hit with the threatening anime aura from messmer XD
No caseoh warned him before about the boss thats why his reactions are like that.
Facts
Conqueror haki
Nigga really just said ‘XD’
@dasilent15 Haha XD ONLY IN OHIO
I love how he sounds just kinda sick of marika's shit. Like his job is to kill those without the grace of gold and now he learns marika wanta a tarnished to become elden lord and he's just like "mother, are you for fucking real right now?"
or that mesmer just didnt want the tarnished to be his stepfather lol
Thats why hes so depressed when he sees its a tarnished in his room
Kai saw the snake and knew IMMEDIATELY he was gonna have a hard time. 😂
The SICKEST boss cinematic I think I’ve ever seen. The snake eye inches away from your face in the beginning gave me CHILLS bro. And the second phase with his eye missing and the snake coiled up in his socket, oh my god I lost my mind. 10/10 game I swear.
I was in awe when I saw the second phase, the abyss serpent in his eye terrify me in a great way
nobody noticed it was a Marika Scarseal and not a serpent pupil, such an easily missable but very important detail for the story of Messmer
Yes. Especially when you read his remembrance. It all makes sense now
I noticed something strange at first but it was so quick, then the second time I reached 2nd phase it's clear
Are you really expecting those streamers to know anything about the lore bro. I think only Wraff and a couple others know remotely anything about what's going on.
@@mercylavigne Do you really expect most players, let alone streamers to bother with any of the lore?
Fromsoft games have garnered a certain reputation, and their games are seen as nothing more than “the hard games”. Nothing more than a challenge to overcome for the sake of bragging rights. The playerbase is way too big to expect that, those who know anything about what’s going on are the tiny minority. Even among those that do know, a lot of players are still confused and trying to piece everything together(such as myself)if not just straight up lost.
That’s just a consequence of Fromsoft’s storytelling. People are used to being told stories with everything laid out for them, being shown every single event that happens. The 99% won’t ever think to look at an item description, and they’d definitely never think that item descriptions could hold relevant narrative information.
And to be clear, I’m not throwing flak at anyone who doesn’t know what’s going on. I’m just pointing out that this is simply the way it is.
Every ER boss when you enter their arena: 🤺👿🗣
Messmer: 😒🐍 "Who dare come my room... oh its the "Elden Lord" lol.. Seriously, mom? This guy?
Dont forget, he will not suffer a lord devoid of light
"But he looks so bereft!!"
What happens if you fight him if you didnt become a lord on base game? The dialogue changes?
@@crowned2637 no
@@crowned2637 Marika calling you and all tarnished happens before the game begins, she calls you and all tarnished so that one of you will become her elden lord (or someone else's, depending on the ending you choose), that's what he's talking about, you are a possible lord, he's asking why Marika would even bother with someone who lost the grace of the golden order as her lord.
I was so happy when the cut-scene happened at the halway point of the hp bar and not the end of it.
Honestly. I thought he was gonna be two healthbars. There’s not a single two healthbar fight in the dlc unless you could Midra, I believe.
@AmbitiousRepentance scadutree avatar technically has more than 1 hp bar
@@rodrickstark8516 Yeah I hadn’t looked into it at all before saying that. Didn’t really expect it to, so I thought it didn’t.
I love that he acknowledges your strength when you go to phase two “a lord bereft of light?” He realizes he can now shed his remaining light since your strong as a lord
Can we talk about how emo mesmer is? He found the darkest corner to sit in to be alone and we stumbled a*s first into it
Messmer was happy as hell when someone actually pulled up into his supervillain lair. He has been sitting there alone for god knows how long
If you know his story, you fully understand
Rellana: i can fix him
Not one person noticed that messmers eye isnt an eye, its a marika scarseal. You can see marikas rune etched into it before messmer removed it.
I think Kai of all ppl saw it he said something like “I need that talisman”😭😭
She placed it there to contain his abyssal serpent which is a reflection of her original sin. I’m pretty sure he is her first child but not sure
i think that's what ela meant by "that makes sense"
I love that Messmer isn’t exactly mad about being abandoned by Marika, rather he’s mad that she abandoned the Tarnished but let them return.
He’s not mad, he’s jealous.
Part of me can imagine Messmer being a friend to Tarnished if the circumstances are different
It seems there is a lot of paradox and confusion in Messmer. He loves his mother, yet he feels hatred towards her for abandoning him. He doesn't want to be 'a lord devoid of light', yet he knows he is a one. He hates himself for his snake curse, yet he chooses to use its power. He kills those stripped of Grace of Gold, yet he's also a one. He sees Tarnished as an inferior, yet he's jealous of their grace and chance to become an Elden Lord. Yep, when you see Messmer, you start to think what could have been...
Just realized Kai cenat died 100 times to him before seeing phase 2 lol
His snakes are so fucking cute.
The best part about Messmer beating the life out of us are his snakes looking at us like :3
seeing kai's death counter go from 190 to 290 is hilarious
Is jumping from 190 to 280 is absolutely hilarious
You know it would be really fun if the serpent hunter great spear worked in this boss fight
In the opening scene where the snake is looking at you, your character literally shows looks scared. (I CANNOT BE TRIPPING)
Messmer needs a buff to his hp in the 2nd phase. Either give him more hp from the start, increase his resistances or give him a form of life steal attack.
he need full hp bar for phase two, like malekith needed
His snake attacks should have lifesteal
'Mongel intruder' is the most iconic opening line from a boss yet.
Foul tarnished...
“Honored guest…”
Kai has 286 deaths by the time he reached Messmer, ain't no way he didn't learn during the base game
He beat the game at least
I was wondering the same thing. He was wearing no armor too. I don’t know why he would do a challenge run if he ain’t build like that
@@susssybaka4342 Using a bleed build, where you have to hit the boss 6 times to win. Even an inhuman can do that
"Uhm, he didn't beat the game with a weak build, so his playthrough doesn't really count" 🤓
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I might be the only one who thinks this but I think his second phase is significantly easier than the first. Idk it just has this sort of rhythm that I was able to latch on to quickly.
In phase two if you dodge the snake he has a very obvious opening for heavy jump attacks (or heal) that is not present in phase one.
He was ironically enough the easiest boss for me. Very very telegraphed moves like nameless king level of telegraph, plus 80 strength and guts great sword were taking chunks out his health. Still loved his fight and the cut scenes were 10/10
@@FlawlessKamHe was easy for you because you used Guts sword lol I struggled hardcore on him for a bit. Switched to Guts sword build and beat him second attempt
I wish he had more health. It pisses me off that they give the best bosses less health but bosses that r bullshit like Malenia get 2 full health bars. It's fucking infuriating. What's their reasoning for even giving Messmer less health? Cos he does a lot of damage? Radahn does ridiculous and has almost bs abilities as well yet gets massive hp.
I died like 15 times in first phase and didn’t die on the second phase
Elajjaz really has the right attitude. He is calm, enjoys discovering the bosses and he doesn't add a ton to make his stream fun. I didn't know him before but he seems cool.
6:20 that stabbing sound effect is just amazing !!
glad you showed the 2nd phase
No problem my friend
His aura knocked kai off lmao
Apparently I wasn't the only one surprised by Messmer. Though I did go the back way into the Church District. That made it extra shocking for some reason.
His burning eye looks like the dark souls fire ring
Holy F I knew his grab damage is insane but it's literally a oneshot...
It wasn't for me. With full health, I was left with like 20% left.
@@abeon8151how many level in fragments did you have?
@@willow7380 not sure. Around 12 maybe? And 60 vigor.
@@abeon8151 that explains it, I had 12 or 13 with 69 vigor
@@willow7380 Alright I had 8 💀
There was no way I was gonna survive this
“I just wanna see what it is”…famous last words
5:26 “I don’t wanna fight him now!”
Messmer: “I missed the part where that’s my problem”
My initial reaction was "Ok, wait don't do th- awww! Now *you're* stripped of the grace of gold, and have to meet death in the embrace of Messmer's flame, ya idiot"
1:14 The boss fight hasn't even started and the dude already took damage.
Bro. Not gonna lie, mesmer took way less time to take down then Rellana
Why does Messmer kinda sound like Vaatividya
Mongrel intruder 🔥 my new go to insult lol
to make it better throw a CUUUURSE YOOOU in front of it for more impact
😂
Kai’s death count at the beginning vs his first time on second phase lmao
Mesmer got me tweaking bro help
@@Igorsbackagain-c6q I didn’t find him that hard. Not a lot of health. Hella telegraphed attacks.
@@Siwmaes bro I have just made it to the second phase today hardest boss I have fought IN THIS DLC so far
@@Igorsbackagain-c6q you better load up on scadutree fragments. He’s bottom 3 in terms of difficulty.
@@Siwmaes bottom three of what
The way Kai fell over 😂
It took Kai almost 100 deaths to reach his 2nd phase.
100!?
It took him 200 for Radahn's second phase lmao
@@NobuNobuSimphis first phase is good the second phase 💀
@@NobuNobuSimpWell that’s prime radahn…
Kai : " we just got to lock in. "
Messmer: " /VIGGA we not done yet "
Those stripped of the Grace of Gold shall all meet death. In the embrace of Messmer's Flame 🔥
Wait, I just realized that he cursed his mother when he fell.
if you think about it, he's basically saying he won't accept youas his step dad cause you know, elden lord is consort to marika
He’s insulted that you a tarnished who is devoid of the blessing of Marika has come to slay someone of his stature, and take the Elden throne.
He was also left to rot in the realm of shadows due to his companionship with the abysal serpent.
Messmer really became drake second phase
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did the snake 🐍 jump scare actually startle anyone or was it just me.
honestly with the more human bosses i have a so much easier time than with the more monsterlike bosses like the dancing lion took me 90+ tries but i got messmer in like 9 idk maybe thats because u can actually see what the bosses are doing.
Totally can agree there. Dancing Lion, Scadutree Avatar and Bayel took me probably over 10 attempts each to defeat, but Messmer only took me two. The more humanoid bosses feel a lot easier to read for me, although Rellana took me several tries😅
@robertmunoz7058 dude don't put bayle there I loved fighting bayle my favorite dragon fight was midir to this day and it's bayle
@@ironic4910 Oh, don't get me wrong, I thought Bayle was awesome, but the problem for me was that the camera was also zoomed so close in that I had a difficult time knowing what was coming my way, mainly during the second phase when he flies around. It's mainly the camera I hated about the Bayle fight, although Bayle himself was really sick!
@robertmunoz7058 I had a different experience cause I was with a mage character, and I was always standing in front of him so I could see his attacks and casting 1 comet it was the only spell that he didn't punish
I also always stand in front of their face cause of midir in dark souls 3 cause he is almost immune to damage unless you hit his head
Total opposite for me. Dancing Lion took me like 10-20 tries. I've been stuck on Messmer for two days now 😭
wish his phase 2 was with a second health bar, he's such a fun boss but he dies so fast :(
for real bro, i have no clue how malenia has 2 healthbars and messmer doesn't
@@bourne.Wouldnt make sense for malenia to "die" half way through the fight bruh
@@outlastingflame1614 nah but it would make sense if her second healthbar were to be her phase 2 or if phase 1 had overall lower health
I just find her first phase to be really boring, phase 2 is really fun though but is shorter for some reason
Kai's reaction to phase 2 is literally what I was thinking when I played it. 💀
exactly it felt so soon to fight mesmer
Yeah before entering the boss arena , the messages they all say snake ahead and I thought maybe be a snake lvl section and I don't expect it to be just a straight messmar
So I just got the fuck out and explored every other areas and found him moderate difficult but what a cool ass boss , he makes me want to do a fragment lvl 1 run by how enjoyable his fight is ,flaming up his spear before the thrust attacks ,his whole boss fights is so damn satisfying and that grab move when he impale us that sound effect oh my
My god they made these boss insanely hard I never had to summon a single time for any of the other fromsoft games but for Mesmer I had to summon
4:00said everybody who fought mesmer
I waited to play them until I explored 70% of the map and beat him in less than 5 tries. I found Rellana harder lol.
Props to you man
I haven't even beaten mesmer yet
I did beat rellana, the divine beast, And golden Hippo
THE GOLDEN HIPPO IS THE MOST BS BOSS IN THIS GAME !!!!
in my opinion
Does mesmer have any weaknesses?
Bleed seems to work but its hard to give it to him.
@@DVIN_WRATH just wait.. just wait
I will not suffer proceeds to gauge off his eye
A lot of Messmer's lines he cuts off his sentences halfway through so it sounds like he's just being pointed. What he's actually saying there is "I will not suffer...A lord devoid of light.". He's saying he refuses to allow you to become the elden lord because you're tarnished and not favored by the grace of gold. Ironic considering you're one of the only ones left who actually IS favored since you can see the graces.
Does anyone else think phase 2 is the easier phase? Half of his attack options are entirely more telegraphed and easy to dodge
Definitely, it's way more coordinated
He also has so much recovery time, I was actually so sad when I beat him because his voice acting was so fantastic. He's so badass and I barely get to fight him, that's why I help everyone I can fight him so I get to learn all his moves and everything
メスメルの声優めちゃくちゃ好き…ダントツでかっこいい。
up in NG7, the claw dude you first encounter in 1st zone makes this boss fight look tame.
orochimaru goes crazy in this game
Wait till he meets miquella
We got Orochimaru (Messmer)
Iskandar from Fate Zero + Berserker from Fate Stay Night (Radahn)
Griffith (Miquella)
Messmer is so fine please tell me someone else gets it
you need to leave the house once in your life
oh i get you 10000%
hes got a sort of Bowie esque swagger to him
He is fine as hell and nobody can tell me otherwise
To each their own 😂
i love voice messmer is so cool
Honestly bro
Im subbing just because of how you cooked him at the end
I appreciate it my friend 🙏
Am i high or has Messmers voice actor changed from the first trailer to his first cutscene?
It's so much better now fr
@@kwamemwangs2173 personally I preferred the old one but this one fits the lore better since he really isn't a evil character.
@@velhokala8456 >does literally genocide
>not an evil character
sure buddy .
anyone hold the breath during snake close up cutscene ? it feels like 1 minute for me
It seems like that golden eye infused with grace, acted as a seal to his curse. Probably given to him by his mother Marika.
I want to see what Vaati thinks.
I thought it was supposed to quell doubts about the Erdtree and Marika's guidance, and the black pupil makes all your worst fears come to life
I’d guess it’s more like just the last bit of grace he had. In order to attempt to beat us, he fully succumbs to the abyssal snake. Perhaps if we had actually died here, he would’ve killed himself afterward since he no longer Grace himself
@@SandyEye I'm still not even certain what the Abyssal Snake is
@@loomingmoon4682what we do know is that similar to how Malenia was born afflicted with rot, Messmer was born afflicted with the snake. Thus Marika bestowed the seal as his eye upon his birth in order to conceal the truth.
@@thegrandmaster1637 Personally think that the snake could've been a blessing of the crucible as a way to help Marika in her crusade against the hornsent that seemed to have tarnished the sanctity of life by trying to create saints out of the shamans. I mean if you take a better look at the snakes themselves then you realize that the symbols from real religion they're a reference to all have positive connotations (e.g. winged serpent=Quetzalcoatl, white serpent being connected to good luck and so on) and the only reason Messmer was shunned for these features was because Marika was under control of the Greater will/leader of the Golden order which despised the Crucible and saw the blessings as curses
How DLC boss open second phase:
Take out his eye
Take out his head
Main game:
Takes off hand.
Takes off lions head
Takes off clothes
Not the reactions i spected, none of them related messmer 2nd phase with the dark souls serpernt
Got second phase on my second try and beat him at 21 attempts. He doesnt have a lot of health and he also get afflicted by rot poison and bleed which makes my build a great counter. On the flip side Malenia doesnt care much about rot and poison so i struggle hard. Half the bosses in this dlc are built for me 🎉
Where is Asmongold? Ohh wait. He never got to Phase 2, the first time he met him 😂
hahaha
That your so mesmerized by messmer attack you forgot to roll
3:50 "random bullshit go" style by Messmer
I felt so bad for Faze Jev. He beat him first try and didn’t even experience the fun of learning Messmer. 😢
He jus too weak in his 2nd phase and the snake easy af to dodge after fighting rykard
2 health bars would be good
It's an easy boss I learned it in a few tried and beat him 4th try
@@ironic4910difficulty is relativ, you were probably using guts greatsword.
A lot of people f seems like crazy before the dlc. Then grabbed a lot of the scadutree blessings. What was the level and was it first playthrough or was it one of the ng+ levels? Aha st was your build? Were you using a summon. How many hours have you put into this and other Soulslikes? All of these things have impacts. The have is a easy or as hard as you choose to make it. Only no hit sl1 no upgraded weapons people can tell me they think it's easy. The rest all fall in a spectrum
At least he wasn’t maidenless
Ng+7 is the real Elden Ring experience
Been doing the whole DLC on Ng+7. It's been brutal but I'm up to the final boss now. Wish me luck 🙏🏻
How was radahn ng+7 ?
Definitely a S-Tier boss and after you get his weapon. You can melt all other bosses like butter 🙂
love the vids bro i hope you make these for other shadow of the erdtree bosses
I am currently in the process of doing that dont worry!
@@FXRain thank you bro! can't wait to see metyr and bayle
Ngl when he says JAWS i got goosebumps all over my body even my a$$😅
1:18 He took that too literally. 😆
maybe i should buy a steam deck and play elden ring cause i don’t know what going on
you really should
You really should
I love how some people say a boss was very hard and say they beat it in 4 tries.... bro that's a super easy boss in my book...
Yeah honestly. At first he seems a bit much with how aggressive his attacks are but they're not bad to dodge and once you get o his 2nd phase its already almost over.
It took me 3 hours. I once got so close, he was legit one hit but I choked heavily which boomed my mental and I thought he’s impossible lmao. Definitely not the hardest fights tho, I did make so many stupid mistakes
Out of all bosses, the last one broke me.@@drexalte69
@@Spartan51692 Honestly, I think his second phase is easier than his first.
Messmer was def harder than every other boss in SOTE thus far. Only Bayle compares.
No melina revenge yet hehe
DAM WHO WAS THE LAST VIDEO????FCKN AMAZING JOB..THEY ARE GOATED
It was the channel's owner themselves.
I hate how squishy this boss is. Amazing fight but most players have like 10 blessings atp. Once you adapt to his moveset the fight ends so soon.
Perfect difficulty imo, its challenging but not insanely difficult. Me and as I have seen many other players had issues with it
@@rpjoca4644 i’m not hating on the difficulty, i wish he had more health
@@machupich i mean, it he had more health, hed be more difficult lol
@@rpjoca4644 not really, once you learn the ai the health doesn’t really matter. Longer doesn’t always mean more difficult.
@@machupich it objectively does lol
i need that tailsman :D
Funny thing is he was kinda right, that eye is literally Marika's scarseal/soreseal.
"Solemn duty weighs upon the one beholden; not unlike *a gnawing curse* from which there is no deliverance."
Remembrance of the Impaler:
A malevolent snake writhed within Messmer, and so *his very mother plucked out his eye and put in its place a seal of grace.* Yet, having done so, her fear compelled her to secret away her child within the realm of shadow.
Can you do the frenzy flame boss reaction next. That fight goes hard
Ive already done it my friend check my channel 😁
it's kinda annoying that you can't do sweep attacks with his spear except for when you do it's skill
Technically you can with a dash-r1, but I agree, I wish it were an easier attack to do
Miyazaki never misses as usual; hes a literal God at video games.
kai is so fucking funny omg i cant stop laughing the way he fell on the chair is so hilarious i just cant even.
Humour for small children
Kai is funny if you're a child
dead internet theory
@@thesobolan7480 i was literally being sarcastic. i would've used emojis or something to make it more obvious but that's just a waste of effort.
@@de4d092 hahhaah ok then
this dude kicked my ass XD
Same he got me so mad that I was physically reaching my hand towards the screen and pretending to crush him 😅
@@SpookyM0aiMan lol
BEST BOSS HES MY FAV I LOVE HIM
I explorer everything in the map before fighting this boss and i had like 14 scadutree blessings so I killed him in my 3 attempte I was so sad cause it give me that felling that I just beat him because I was over level
I had 13 scadutree blessings and it still took me 25 attempts to beat him, you might just be good at the game 🤷♂️
I think you are meant to fight Mesmer as one of the penultimate bosses in the game. It is cool that you can fight him much earlier if you want too (if you're good enough!), but seeing how his flame is required to progress the story as you head towards the final chapter.... it would make sense to have at least 13 -14 fragments before facing him.
Messmer is more of a gatekeeper boss. The games basically telling you if you can’t beat him then the final boss will slaughter you so no you did exactly what you were supposed to do
Same experience, felt overleveled
I beat him first try solo at scadu level 10. My build just seemed strong against him
No Charlie, it’s not pretentious. That’s olde English. That’s how it would have been said.
You really expect education from streamers? They barely finished elementary school.
It actually _is_ dependent on the character in question, since both are used in-universe. There’s no way in hell the likes of Patches or Boggart would say “standeth” rather than “stands”
@@MrNorbi001 education bro? NOBODY speaks like that anymore. Sometimes it's just really funny to see those bosses speaking in such articulate way. It's almost comical in some instances.
@@mercylavigneYeah he supposed to use the skibidi gyat right?😂
@@MrNorbi001ahh yes, because i learned what “lordship sanction” is in school (its a verb too?)
20:21
Shnake.
I accidentally stumbled upon him 😂
Big mistake
Did you crouch under messmers jab attack??
You should have hit the last hit with dragon katana ash of way but nice gameplay
1337 dmg is elite hahah
bro only knows 5 streamers
no bs tho from nerfed the fuck out of his VA, he sounded so baddass in the trailers but in game he sounds depressed af and almost unwilling to fight you
That may have been the point. The trailers made Messmer look like a diabolical genocidal psychopath, but in the actual game he’s honestly a pretty chill dude who Radahn even looked up to lmao. The real menace of the dlc is actually Miquella whose whole thing is appearing as a graceful kind hearted savior when in reality he’s a monster. Makes for good intentional misdirection.
I think it was their direction, hes indeed depressed also jealous because he knows Marika sent you to become elden lord
@@ShinStriderHiryu I don't think it's jealousy rather than him having resigned to his fate of dying to us as a stepping stool to becoming Elden lord. If my memory serves me right Marika once told all her children that they needed to find a purpose and make themselves useful, otherwise they'd be discarded and Messmer seemed to be the only one to understand that Marika meant that if they weren't useful, they would be usurped by the tarnished on their way to become Elden lord. I think that's also why he's the only one to actually recognize us as the Elden lord from the moment we step into his boss room
He's been abandoned and discarded, yet he still fulfills his mother's wishes. I don't think he's supposed to be happy
That’s literally the point
The hipe is soo badass...that our bro fell off from the chair😅😅
I will not suffer..no no yes you will pure gold😂