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1997 Nissan 2.4L Intake Gasket Replacement (Part 1) -EricTheCarGuy
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2013
- In a way this is a sequel to the Nissan Altima Misfire Diagnosis Video. It would have been a REALLY long video if I posted both together. In fact I had to split this video into 2 parts as it is. This job isn't for the weak at heart. It took me most of the day to get it done. Most of the issues involve accessibility to the fasteners. Some are stuck down in there pretty good. I'm told this is a common issue with the 2.4L engine so you may run into this at some point. If you decide to do the repair yourself, this video can walk you through the process. For now, sit back, and watch me suffer. Here's some useful links for you.
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I'm going to add a couple of tips, things which helped as I and my brother did this same job on my 97 altima. A 1/4 inch drive ratchet with a 12 mm socket will loosen those lower, hard-to-reach bolts. Use a 2 inch extension to have enough room. Just don't back the bolt out too far or the socket will be stuck. Also useful is a 12 mm ratchet wrench. It won't get all those hard-to-reach bolts, but it was a good tool to have on hand.
What a nightmare of a repair!!!! Gotta give you props for tackling this one, Eric. I went to Chilton Library at my local branch and checked the procedure there, and they state that "removing the intake manifold without removing the entire cylinder head is all but impossible" . All I have to say is, "Damn!!" That is a hell of a way to go.
Eric you're the man. Patience is a virtue and no better example than with this pain in the a** intake gasket. You never cursed or seemed flustered just focusing at the task at hand. I was cursing at the bolts just watching your work on the car! I do own a 94 altima with that same engine by the way so at some point I will have to attempt this rather tedious task. Great videos keep up the good work.
OH...MY...GOSH! I thought mechanics had tricks/tools/magic wands to get to this stuff easier. That looks like stuff I've done working on cars. I have a 98 model and had to replace the knock sensor but my arm couldn't get up under the car far enough. Had to have my wife reach up there and remove and replace the sensor. So far from what I've seen this engine/engine bay design is the worst I've ever had to work on. I know I'm going to have to replace the small coolant hoses under the intake soon so this is really helping me out. thanks a bunch for the vid.
Oh wow...not sure I appreciate your handling of some the vehicle's components, but your honesty as a mechanic is remarkable. Thanks for making what is obviously a huge effort to share this stuff with us.
majority of those parts have survived thousands of miles and hundreds of hours in tempretures exeeding 90.C, vibrations and harshness, nothing i seen here would do any harm, as a mechanic myself, i can say that you get a feel for what kind of rough-handling they will take, takes a hell of a lot more time babying parts and wrapping them in bubble wrap so to speak, time is money:)
Mr. TheCarGuy, your patience is both inspiring and limitless.
I'd like to thank you Eric - you could have edited out EVERYTHING that went wrong in the last video, but you didn't. You showed us that not every mechanic is perfect. Good on you mate :) keep em coming!!!!
Eric....Thank you. I know you can believe me when i say this intake on 2.4 altima was just brutal. It would have been even rougher without your insight and suggestions. Keep on keeping on and love your sense of humor......and so it begins ! TKS.
I have learned to hate this engine so so much. Whoever designed this thing should be forced to replace a bunch of these gaskets
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Eric, Your 2 screw driver and screw driver/magnet trick to get those bolts out is a pain in the butt. Been there done that. You should try the bungee cord trick. Loop the rubber bungee cord around the head of the bolt and use it like a chain on a bicycle sprocket. Works great and faster. Hope this helps.
Verr naice, yis. I have had to make a MFing wire+tape gadget like that before. My knuckles still went 15 rounds with Joe Frazier though. Stay gold
Wow... I will -never- do this on my own, or at least with the engine in the car. This is insane. I never seen an ETCG vid like it. Eric always has well-explained techniques and procedures to get the job done. Even if he takes a bit of a shade tree method, it's still in hindsight the best and quickest way to get the job done that doesn't harm the car. Playing chopsticks with screwdrivers through spaces in the intake is crazy...
I have performed this job on this engine...twice. Straight and flex Gearwrenches are invaluable in this task. Also, Indian Shellac on the gaskets helps in holding them in position. The leak is always at cylinder #4.
take a drink every time he says "Fastener"
Dear Erik, You may noticed that there was an oil drip under the oil filter which what makes the axle oil soaked , the oil filter might be a bit loose. Also, a good idea to put a big rag like fender cover or newspapers under parts if it is gonna be placed in order at the top of the car as some of it have a sharp edges. The way you struggle make me think that lifting the engine about 10 inches would facilitate the surgery. Its tedious job. Hondas are lot easier. Thank you Erik for great posts.
This is a good illustration of why you need a deep tool set before you do a job like this. Gotta feel sorry for guys who try this in a driveway with a few sockets and a crescent wrench.
Hey believe me I wasn't making fun! I have that same ratchet that you're describing for spark plugs. The small head is rock solid and the handle easily holds its given shape even under lots of torque. The ratchets that that company makes are no joke.
I made that comment because of all the "sneak attacks" that Eric makes.
damn eric i did this job at work on a lift and it was a pain in the ass and you did it on jacks.. you inspire us all eric
I'm not even sure how to open the hood of my car but there is something about these videos I find facinating
after watching this video i now realize i should be grateful for my north south strait six. it is so much simpler. great video man.
Dude thank you for the previous video and this one. I’m almost certain this is the issue with my Altima. I already know the valve cover gasket needs replacing but the way that one was running is literally exactly what mine is currently doing. I need to go get some carb cleaner to verify my suspicions but sadly even though I love to learn how to take care of my car on my own… 😱 this video/repair itself seems a bit beyond my reach. I hope a shop won’t charge me an arm and a leg but this looks like a pain of a job. 😬
My brother used to drive one of these. Same year and color. It had over 220,000 miles and ran perfectly. Even the transmission shifted perfectly. You just have to maintain them on time.
Much more patience than I could ever muster up!!!! Great video. Thanks again Eric.
best camera and lighting work I have ever seen in a car guy video. Thanks. Toughest spaces to show and you did very very well. Thanks again.
I've never worked on a KA, but in order to access those bolts, I believe the collector is supposed to come off of the manifold first. You can access all of the manifold to collector bolts easily from the top, and there are a just couple more on the back of the collector to secure it to either the head or the block. Once the collector is separated, you would then have access to those bolts that were so hard to get to. In order to do this however, you would have had to remove quite a few additional components in the area around the firewall where you had the fuel rail pushed towards. But sometimes doing more is the best and least stressful alternative. Doing this would also have allowed you to pull the manifold completely off and remove the gasket, which you had a hard time with as well. Nissan puts a lot of emphasis on making their cars serviceable, and if you're fighting with something that seems nearly impossible, or requires a lot of luck or trickery, it's almost guaranteed it's because the workflow isn't being followed.
Ive done quite a few of these as I work for a dealership. easiest way to get to lower intake bolts is to remove pass side axle and remove oil filter and oil filter adapter from block. I just push the intake back about an inch and then clean the surfaces with a scraper. make sure you get it ALL off, especially around the coolant jacket, or it will leak and you will have to do it again.
i think one helpful thing with timely jobs like this would be to 1. put a background time stamp. 2. show the clock from start until finished on parts. or a mix. just to give us an idea of how long it took versus how long it might take. thanks for the great video looking forward to part 2!
Hi Eric, most of car mechanic in our country didn't accept to remove intake manifold. The prefer removing head instead and charge high labour for doing the skimming head and valve job at one time. Now I know that its very2 hard to remove intake manifold.
Excellent video. You took the time to video the details and gave me the confidence to give this a try, especially the hidden brace under #1. After a successful job, I offer these tips. I dropped the starter which gave me access to the 3 bottom middle intake bolts. Also, I drained coolant first, and did not break the bottom part of the intake loose. Also, a long handle 12 mm combo wrench /a 12 mm ratcheting wrench would have sped this up a bunch!! If you want to completely remove the entire intake, remove the coolant connection, a plate below the distributor with three 10 mm bolts.This job is a 9 out 10 difficulty, and I've been busting knuckles for over 40 yrs. Yeah, maybe doing the head gasket, too, would be faster
I bought a 2001 Altima at dealership with this problem. It is a common problem with Altima's first and second gen. The shop that the dealership was using replaced the intake gasket. Before doing that they gave my car a tune up too. I had the car for about 6 years after that. I just replaced the spark plugs a week ago because the car was misfiring. When I took the plugs out I found out the shop put better plugs than I replace them with.
You know the issue? This engine, a KA24DE, was originally designed for rwd vehicles, specifically in 88 or 89 as a SOHC style pickup engine. Rotating it 90 degrees was a silly idea by Nissan. It made that thing impossible to deal with.
+Mr Yota Don't KA24DE also have trouble with fuel injectors? I was hoping to see him move around injectors to move around the problem.
+Mr Yota the SOHC is the KA24E
GLC522 You're right! Wow!
Mr Yota lol probably the most useless info ever but yeh
+Mr Yota D stands for Dual cams. E means Electronic Fuel Injection
The U13 Altima is a great Car! Made in Japan and a great power train. The KA24DE is a strong and easy to work on engine. They all do end up having this issue. I believe they used a better gasket on the L30 Altima from 1998-2001.
Eric, keep up the great videos, and thanks for the tips throughout (using magnet to remove washers, putting fasteners back in their hole to ease reassembly, etc etc). They are very helpful.
@EricTheCarGuy my wife has a 99 Altima with the 2.4 car runs smooth at idle. It's when u give it gas to take off it kinda has slight hesitation then comes back into it. Not sure what might be wrong. Car starts up no issues. I've changed plugs, wires, cap, and rotor and fuel filter. Before I put the new fuel filter on it I tested to see how much fuel was pumping out of the fuel hose and the fuel came out smooth and fast and instantly. Only codes it has is vent valve evap solenoid
This is why it's kind of nice being a small guy. I'm pretty sure I could have reached through the gap by the EGR tube and the intake runner to get at that first bolt. I had similar difficulties doing the upper and lower intake gaskets on my '90 Escort.
Thanks for all the vids youve uploaded over the years btw..they have been really helpfull in expanding my general knowledge on cars..much better to SEE whats going on than just reading about it
Eric, I was about to ask where to put the jack stands! Thanks as always Eric! You're always ahead of us and great video!
Thanks Eric your trick with the magnet save the day and generally talking your video was really helpful keep doing what you do and I found a way to reach the center bolts just remove the throttle body and can get the arm between the engine and the manifold its hard but it can be done better this way God bless
Eric the very best Guy you are good bato I wish you good luck from East L.A. Los Angeles C.A.
I learned valuable lessons from this video, namely, don't try this repair yourself (that means me) let someone who has more experience & tools have the headache.
Never doubt the Eric my friend.
Here's what I did: pulled the vacuum cluster, egr, transducer & rail off the top. Pulled the starter, throttle body & plenum brace. Sucked out & pulled PS pump, upper Ps pump brace & upper steering hose & slipped it out underneath through the passenger wheelwell opening after pulling the passenger side splashguard. removed 2 small bolts holding crossover pipe to bottom of plenum. Lower half (AKA "plenum") dropped out of way nicely after crossover hoses were undone from engine. Pulled the IAC, pcv box & coolant sensor. All this left the hidden "under-bolts" nicely exposed to removal from the sides. Even my fat arms could make it in there. Substantially more disassembly, but it's easy stuff & really drops the p.i.t.a factor. STILL A SUCKY JOB, THOUGH. Hated every minute of it & hope I never have to do it again.😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣😣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel your pain. I own a 94 Altima, and I do all the work on it myself...
this type of service is very difficult and challenging mind and patience. Good work ETCG. I'm waiting for the next part.
I once blew my trottle body gasket, it was soooo old! Started sucking raw fuel by the bucket in the lower intake... Damn 93 ford foxbody. I love the care, but the previous owner didn't take care of it. Now I run royal purple. No sluged anymore after oil flush! Yay.
Nissan engines rule. Working on them requires being a car guy. Their designs are interesting, but not ridiculous like the germans. And they will last as long as you. My Sentra came with a main stud girdle, two timing chains that will last the life of the car, and will idle up a steep hill in 1st gear. Nissan love.
Reminds me of removing the CCTL on my friend's CBR600F4i. Required pulling the seat, fairing, gas tank, air box, throttle bodies, millions of little vacuum hoses, and the room we were left with to work was still knuckle scraping.
drink one shot every time Eric says fasteners!! Not making fun I am a tech and enjoy his videos very much!!!!!
Eric you have more patience than a saint, those designers want 4000v rammed through there bollocks for making such a bloody stupid design.
Dont they ever think about repairing an engine, obviosly not!!
Great video mate :-) :-)
I used a bungie cord to unscrew the fastener out. Put the bungie under the fastener and center the bungie then pull the bungie up from the right hand.
and it took a great deal of creativeness, but with your help I realized that I needed to remove the fuel rail and the stupid emissions piping+injector sensor rail+throttle linkage+other dumb shit.lol I somehow got the part replaced although when replacing the hose that goes from the pcv valve to that irritating rail under the intake:engineblock tubes/rails I had to leave the hose clamps off seeing as how my left arm midway to elbow was purple with bruising from the cramped space.thanks again. :)
eric the car guy, here is a tip, remove the oil filter adapter assembly( 4 12mm bolts)
Go to nissan and get a oil filter adapter gasket.
You could remove the starter and might just give more room..
I was a former Nissan tech..
Hi Eric, I learned a lot from your RUclips Videos, most especially
on your videos about AC problems. Thank you so much.
I just did this to my '01 2.4 Altima. If you remove the starter you can get to more of the upper intake manifold bolts from underneath.
It definitely tests your patience. Going back together isn't quite as bad, some of the bolts fight you pretty bad
Fell in love with you at 28:00. Doing a head gasket on an identical car and spent nearly an hour trying to pull the intake back (last step before pulling the head off). Couodnt figure out how to get to the last 4 middle bolts until now.
it's fun watching other people struggle. not so much when its you. ive been there
I just did one of this and it's a pain in the ass 6 hours straight... I think this intake manifold it's one of the toughest manifolds ever.
whole lotta fun! it gets easier after your 3rd one....
and a lot easier with a lift! got my hands stuck a few times on the RF from underneath.
and torqueing lol out of the question!
Wow Eric... I can't wait to see how you put these fasteners back. Great video.
I'm probably wrong but if you took the throttle body off which has an almost equally aged gasket you could have used a long extension and had a lot easier time without anything blocking your ratchets range of motion. On a car that old and that clean, I'll take any parts off in my way if they come easy and replace gaskets as I go. My logic is that I can apply anti-seize on reassembly to prevent headaches when the car is inevitably disassembled again in the distant (hopefully) future. Especially on aluminum parts. The trade off is having more places to make mistakes when your throwing it back together but its worth it if its my ride and my risk
It took me 3 hrs to remove the upper intake on a RWD KA24DE good luck sir lol!
nothing quite like that feeling when your fighting to get on a bolt and you finally get on it and that magical popping noise happens you just wanna do the happy dance
that being said this job is muuuuuuuch easier on the rwd version of these engines (ka24de)
In response to puro8869, I looked your 94 Nissan Maxima up on Alldata and the codes are accessable at the ECM. If you have a DOHC there is an LED (red) that will flash codes. If you have a SOHC there is a green and red LED to flash codes. There is an access hole with a slotted selector. Key on rotate fully to clockwise position, hold for 2 sec. then rotate counter clockwise fully. This put the ECM in mode 2 and you can then read the code by watching flashing light(s) base on your engine.
No part 2 yet he's still trying to get those bottom bolts started. Good luck Eric
Eric. Feel sorry for you. I have been in a situation like this where bolts are a nightmare to get to. Great Vid anyhow!
I'm being just a bit
facetious :) but look at all the effort Eric has to go through to do this repair getting to the bolts even and even the bolts are hidden on the back side ! When you end up doing ne of these repairs what I said isn't really far from the truth !
Eric you are the first car dude that i have seen whit white theets.....
The lower intake manifold on 3800 GM V6s are involved. Not any really any tricky things but a lot of stuff has to come off.
True, that's why i'm happy to have that 'older' one.
Eric, thank you for your video it was a huge help. My mother has a 97 altima gxe that she just bought and the PCV valve was bad, as you could tell it is not on the valve cover.lol no sir, its under the intake manifold, and I cant fit my hand anywhere in there. ^O^ After 10 hours of work and contemplation I used 2 6inch extensions 1 3 inch extension and a 3/8 drive knuckle, and deep well 19mm/3/4" socket and I finally got it out without removing the intake which I had already started on.
Air box. Throttle linkages. Drain coolant. Valve cover. Distributor. Head/Intake as a *unit*. Replace 2 gaskets.
Awesome video! Really illustrates that even a seasoned mechanic has to try 3 or more different approaches on certain tasks. I enjoy auto mechanics as a hobby, but getting paid book time for something like this would be miserable, and unprofitable.
Eric, how you keep your composure is amazing! (Then again I suppose you can edit out all the cursing.) ;-)
I lost it when you were using two screw drivers as chop sticks. Man this job is crazy!
This video is the answer to anyone wondering why they get charged more than they would like to pay for a mechanic.
If you don't have kids, you should have kids. You are so patient.
I just did this same exact job took 5hrs if you can get the iac valve out you can save some time getting to the fasteners on the passengers side wich also allows you to leave the bottom brackets on, still a pain in the ass though, especially if you take the time to try and remove the iac
and it wont come out easy
Anytime I've removed an intake manifold, what really helped me is having a factory service manual printout. It lets you know where the bolts are located and if you got them all.
Did this on my volvo 740 and it is a breeze compared to this! First real bit of work I have done on a car too. Very satisfying
even see it is a pain- what a patience you need wow
I've found putting rubber hose on the end of the bolt and twisting it out works good in tight spaces
good video thank you for the info. I used your Nissan Pathy valve cover video to prep me for my valve cover job on it. Good stuff. helped a lot.
Its probably been said but it must suck talking to yourself. We're here though ETCG and we're listening.
Nothing like pulling an intake to replace the starter. Why did GM do that on the Cadillac?
Thinking the same thing. Looks like an oil leak by the filter. Good time to do an oil, oil filter and air filter on this on.
nissan pulsars 1.6 engine is impossible to remove the intake without pulling the head off, even then it can be a challenge if they are stuck. an open end spanner is your only tool you can use.
Just did one of these about a month ago for the exact same reason. Wondered why Alldata payed 5.5 hours and knew why by the end!
Eric, a nice thick line crow foot wrench would have taken that big 24mm nut at the manifold off. That hard to get out bot on the manifold could have used one of those socket wrenches with a handle that you turn like a screw driver to drive the socket.
Just did one, 01 the best way is to remove the throttle brackets and one transmission bolt under tb and detaching coolant hoses both sides and removing the rear bolts off the lower one with every top hoses and brackets out as well, and separate the lower throttle b, lower manifold, pushed back to get to the intake bolts better, i would recommend a star torx e socket for the upper double bolts instead of the of the two nut method and a long 12 mm flex head wrench ratchet. removing the two ps bolts on bottom and pcv breather with a gasket stick spray or letting it cure because of the space and a clamp for the coolant hose there or a small curved plier., yep fun.. 01
That guy only uses, Snap-On, Mac, and craftsmen for his hand tools. He is a big believer in the nice tools for what you are going to be your bread and butter.
I just did this job along with the timing chain on an sr20de (which i know you may have coming up on that SE-R) all I can say is RATCHETING WRENCHES!!
You should get a lazer pointer, cos sometimes it's too hard to see exactly where your pointing. Nice job.
"Yes, got it! Oh wait, more brackets. Yes, got it! Oh wait, still more brackets..." I think we've all been there lol.
its got 86 7 thousand miles on it. LOL
I think that TL takes the cake for nicest cars you have had in there!
you are the best on ebay,,,hands down
I had the same engine on a frontier, sure it was very accessible, b/c it was a RWD.
They sell ratchets where you can spin the handle and it spins the socket. That might have been a good choice for some of those fasteners.
Awesome video, very interesting to watch.
I think magnets will be my next tool purchase...
Nice video Eric. Can't wait for Part 2!
every car is different, I expect most injector gaskets are in there tighter, but some don't need a super tight fitting gasket to do the job right.
It's only after a few weeks of job that your hands become full of dirt under the skin; you can't wash that.. it just goes away with time. Also I found it much quicker than cleaning your hands, even when some pumice soap is used.