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I did this job and ended up with a leftover of 4 bolts, 1 bracket, 2 missing tools and a new Honda Civic. . I'm calling it a fix.
I just re-watched this again after doing this job a few years ago and just wanted to say thanks or I never would of tackled this. I went to another level of DIY after this thanks to you giving me the confidence to tackle this. I'm not a real mechanic so I had to buy a few new tools for this. The long telescopic magnets mostly for getting the bolts in and out and I also bought a couple swivel ratchets with 72 teeth plus some different length extensions and swivels because unlike you I could get my ratchet on all the bolts, but I didn't have enough swing to get a click after I bought the higher tooth ratchets I could manage a click or two and that's how I got my bolts in each with a different set of extensions etc. Of course it took me a whole weekend to do and then some because the first gasket was ruined because it slipped while putting together and I didn't see it until it was too late, so I bought another and did it again but used some gaskacinch to hold it in place and that did the trick. Also I picked up a couple new studs because a mangled a couple with the vise grips. The engine was working great for another 2 years until I wrecked the car - still ran fine but too much other damage after that. I don't fear any car problem now, well except I think a have a torque converter going out on my Sable - not sure about that one.
rubber belt works much better than magnets. This guy uses belt: ruclips.net/video/QGaAvlZDmPE/видео.html
I have a 1993 GLE with 367,230-mi (yes, that's correct) on the original engine and transmission, and the head gasket (I hope) at the No. 4 cylinder final failed. Was trying to remove the intake to get to the head, and after watching your video, decided it's better to either replace the entire engine & keep it, or get rid of the entire thing! Amazing how difficult it is to remove this intake. Thanks for this video, really helped in my decision process.
how the heck do you stay so calm, and on top of this still make a video?? just amazes me.I just changed the trans pan gasket on my 72 camaro and had only 1 bolt give me a problem and it ended up being a 2 hour job.
You are an amazing mechanic! You said that was at a difficult level of 7, good grief!!! I would love to see what a 10 is.
Yeah, intake gaskets on the KA24DE are a real BEEEOOTCHHH!!! Been with Nissan for a decade or so... You'll be happy to know the 2.4L doesn't develope the #4 leak very often. Always #4. You missed the 3rd & 4th cross supports. Just take the bolts on all of them floppy loose & you can rock the whole Mary-Ann back after pulling the studs on either end. Real pain in the WHOOO-HOOO. Good Luck, Eric & stay dirty.
I am a mechanic at a shop and I did one of these today, it is a beast for sure. This is the 3rd one I've done and it is no fun at all. Btw they put inverted torx ends on those studs on the one I did today. Thx for the vid 👍😁
This nissan seems to be like my old hyundai. Very solid built but a real pain to work on. As usual, a system is only as strong as its weakest link. In this case a $10 gasket. Respect for showing how to work on these.
Next time someone says I am over charging and taking too long to get the job done they will be referred to this video. Much respect Eric from another knuckle buster!
This and the other video where you took apart the whole dash to get to the blower motor are two of your best ever videos, top dog!
My take away, beside Eric's consistent demonstration of patience and diligence, is the removal of those two upper studs to eliminate the binding of the upper manifold. I think if it where me I would have tried to fit vacuum caps on them to "avoid damage" and still have ended up carving my initials on the sealing surface while muscling it out. For me Eric's videos are all about working smart.
I couldn't believe that you'll be able to put these lower intake fasteners back with magnets. I was wrong. Another super cool video.
I had a Nissan Bluebird - basically the identical car, but made in Japan, with the same 2.4L KA24E. My intake went - solution was to drop the engine from the car by unbolting the K frame - after removing all hose connections, exhaust and electrical connectors.
Did both gaskets, and the clutch at the same time. :)
Not very expensive in the end - about 8 hours to do the whole job.
I did this same job on Friday. Removing the starter makes it waaaaaay easier to get to the bottom bolts. I didn't loosen the plenum at all. The old gasket was realllly stuck on, which sucked, I spent almost 3 hours carefully scraping and sanding it off. Cut the shit out of my hand. I was certainly happy to see stft go full negative after the repair.
Thanks
Great video. I have the same car, same issue, same color.
Except I get the misfire on cylinder 2.
I was going to attempt to do this myself, until I watched your video.
I am just going to pay to have it done.
Thanks for saving me a day or two of aggravation!!
Probably not an intake gasket on #2. Probably a burnt out injector.
J. Helvie Thanks
I may give that a shot first.
Thanks for the video, I think I'm about to start this tomorrow. No fun times await. Had to come back for the update. Got it out, new one is in, and the manifold bolts are all started. That lower one on the passenger side is almost impossible. I removed the axle and bracket to give me more room, but still not fun. I'm about 7 hours in, and hope to never do this one again.
eric I could feel your pain on this one, you have a lot of patience, thank you so much for this video, God bless!!!!!!!
I would just scream in panic, he's really a master of his trade.
This gasket failed on my mom's 1997 Altima in exactly the same spot. After looking at the PITA this job was gonna be, I just smeared some Ultra Black RTV around the intake port. It worked great and It's still holding after about 5 years.
+bsrktm1 thinking outside the box.
+bsrktm1 i had that thought too while was watching him struggle lol.
The biggest issue with that, is that the vapors from the RTV going through the exhaust could potentially coat and damage the pre cat O2 sensor.
That's why I used O2 sensor safe RTV. And there are alternatives to RTV that would likely work just as well or better. GM form in place gasket maker is excellent-expensive but excellent- and I've pretty much started using it exclusively over RTV. BTW, no O2 sensor issues have come up since this repair was done many years ago.
lucky shot
When it comes to using a torque wrench, I have done enough auto repair where I just done t use a torque wrench at all, well except when doing heads that require multistep process of tightening. Great job once again
Several days ago I performed this exact "procedure" on a Cali 1998 Altima w/AT at 96K miles. After removing all the hardware holding the intake manifold in place the only failure point of the old gasket was a 1/2" missing section at the same cylinder 4 lower runner spot. This area had discoloration around the head and manifold flange along with oil residue, which leads me to believe the problem of this hot spot location degrading the gasket is accelerated by oil leaking off the valve cover. I couldn't manage to remove the upper outer studs, which require a female E-Torx star socket 1/4 drive E7. Even after soaking the studs and trying a vice wrench on the smooth area, the star heads with use of the Torx socket basically started to rotate on the stud as I applied torque to the ratchet, so I stopped, left them in place, and did my best to pry the mani away from the head and remove the old gasket with about an inch gap between. Cleaning off the old gasket took almost 1.5 hours using a variety of scrapers to get all the sticky layers off. My #1 tip for this job, if you are head-to-head with it, is to pour a bucket of gasoline into the interior, light a match, and walk away. Honestly.....it's simple but a lengthy creative process. I broke it down into systems. Remove upper air box and hose, leave TB in place, remove throttle linkage/cables, remove fuel rail/injectors, remove rail harness going all the way back to the rear of the manifold, disconnect EGR pipe at EGR, remove all the manifold hardware you can from up top. Go under engine, remove oil filter (a small bit of oil will leak, nothing more), remove starter if you're so inclined (I didn't), remove driver/passenger side (drivers side is under TB, pass side is a thick black bar) intake manifold support points, remove three remaining studs from lower manifold (driver side are easier and only require a ratchet crescent wrench, pass side is the worst bolt in history to reach and will require a extra long combo wrench) which will require you to potentially go at them blind. Get a helper to spot you with a lamp from up top and you can manage to get them out. For the record, I backed out the pass side pita bolt with the looped end of the crescent and left it there dangling as it's the first bolt you'll want to work back in on the lower side once the uppers are secured. I didn't remove the TB, or the starter, or the IAC valve, or the PS pump assy like many have suggested in online tutorials. Like Eric stated, prepare for a battle, I have many forearm scars but walked away the victor!
Do you think it would of been easier to take the motor out of the car first? LOL How do you keep track of all the stuff you take off the car before you even get to the intake gasket? I was way lost.
You have to have a good memory or take pictures you get good at it once you do this for 10 years lol practice makes perfect
I was just thinking the same thing man, I keep thinking about it in multiple directions and every time I look at it I can’t see how it wouldn’t be easier to take the motor out and work on that outside of the car, Especially if you have some kinda lift and a way to drop it out of the bottom that’d the move I think
Wow, thanks for this video. It was a lesson in level-headed patience above all for me. My work isn't related, but there are enough analogies here that I'll be approaching my job a little differently after seeing this video.
That engine looks pretty clean for a '97. I'm surprised something that clean needs this degree of work. Great video
Watching this video makes me miss my old 95 I just got rid of more and more:( But I am happy with my 07. Btw I had to do the same thing to my old Altima and it was not fun, especially for a beginner like me. Keep up the good work Eric.
5.5 is book time. 3.1 warranty, if anyone is curious. Rather insane amount of work for an intake gasket.
I own a 2001 Nissan Altima with 155k on it. I'm a retired auto mechanic of 27 years. I do all the repairs to my cars myself. I also found I had a bad intake manifold gasket. I did the replacement myself and yes it was a real challenge. One of the most labor intensive jobs I've done. I was very slow and methodical so it took me 3 days. However that also included removing the manifold from the car and checking it with a straight edge. I found it had .004 warpage! Seeing the internet stories of all the other Altima's with this same problem I can't help but think its a problem from the factory. I agree with Kevin Kirsch (see below). Either a poor design or bad metallurgy. I had a machine shop resurface the manifold. I reinstalled it and now it runs great. It now has 180k and I've had no other problems. Other than this it has been a very reliable car.
I have an 01 Altima that we replaced the gasket on and when we added coolant and started the engine, it sprayed out at the gasket. Would a warped manifold cause this?
Hi Matt, Assuming that it was reassembled properly and the manifold nuts were torqued to the proper specs (starting from the center and working outward), its a possibility that you also have a warped manifold. Was the surfaces of the manifold AND head clean and free of any debris? If all that's true and your sure the leak is from the gasket area then your only recourse is to remove it again and check for a warped manifold. If you don't have a straight edge, you can bring it to a machine shop and have them test it. They can also check for any hair line cracks. I had mine tested, and resurfaced. This cost me $80.00. I know this can be a real hassle, but you want it done right and you can't drive it the way it is now! Good luck.
Removing the throttle body gains access from the side to the bottom bolt with a 1/4 inch wrench. Draining the radiator and disconnecting the heater hoses just below the throttle body allows the intake manifold to be moved back far enough to clear the studs. Thanks for the tip on the hidden bolts. I found that this manifold must have something wrong with it in that it eats gaskedt about every 90 miles. The second time I put aviation permatex in it to take up the slop in the plane job Nissan did. My car now has over 240 K with the same gasket.
Eric do you think in hindsight it would be easier to lift and remove the engine?
What a pain in the ass. Makes me love how easy it is to replace the IM gasket and head gasket on my car compared to this nightmare. This is why mechanics get paid. You deal with the nightmare scenarios so that the owner of the vehicle doesn't have to. Great job and great result. Thumbs up.
This really makes me appreciate my car's intake manifold design.
Nice job, Eric! Wow that was a lot of work! It would be informative to take a minute of the video and look at the fuel trims on the scan tool, before and after the fix. After that much work, it would feel good to have extra confirmation! Another possible source for intake vacuum leaks are those rubber injector grommets. They get brittle from years of heat and don't seal very well once disturbed...
Eric the car guy.... BIG RESPECT for this video
Really admire your honesty regarding that lower gasket.
I would do the same thing.
And yes, I would also replace it later for free if necessary.
Am I the only one who just loves watching people work on cars?
If I had done it, I would probably have about 6 left over bolts. Great job Eric.
first thing I did was take out the studs.
they have a 4-5mm head.
awesome series man!
How on earth do you stay so calm? Jobs like that cause my language to descend steadily towards the gutter...
My sentiments exactly. Eric defiantly earned his money on this one.
Eric: whole day of PITA, car fixed.
You: sell the car as it is.
I hope you made money on this job, Eric. That was pure hell.
This engine is #2 on my most hated engine list. The Longitudinal VW 1.8T is #1.
Wow mab... bow down to your patience and dedication.
I have a head gasket job on one of these tomorrow. Now I see most of my time will be on the intake lol. Good thing I invested in stud pullers.
Great video !!!! I have a 96 Nissan XE pickup with a 2.4 and an automatic with OD. I am experiencing a fuel delivery problem....the truck was aquired in 2000 and had 33,000 miles on it. Since then, It now has 220,000 miles....the parts that have been replaced are radiator, water pump, mass air flow, master cylinder and brake booster, new distributor, plugs and wires......all the parts that failed and were replaced, were original. When I step on the gas, the truck goes really really slow....not like before...before whe you hit the gas...you were gone...now, it just creeps along....takes a good 15 seconds to shift into 2nd, and another 15 to go into 3rd....my mileage per gallon has gone from 19.2 to 12.1...it EATS GAS....I'm thinking it's injectors or fuel pump.....don't EVEN want to think about that scenario....the last place I took it did a great job but after taking it there for 18 years, I think they're wanting me not to bring it back. everything on it takes hours to repair and they're not making any $$$
Yeah, a bit too much guessing an unecessary work. Follow the instructions on removing the intake and replacing the gasket. It's like using a navigator in an unfamiliar city instead of checking every street and taking some blind turns.
I think with your work approach, you'd have hard time lasting at a dealership. Your effors are appreciated though! I used to have a 95 Altima and happy to have gotten rid of it as I would have hated to do this work on it.
Peter Chen I'm going to guess you've never really worked in an independent shop. If you don't have the dealer manual your at the mercy of Mitchell which lists no procedure just torque specs some times intuition is all you have and sometimes your wrong
His name is Eric and he works for his boss Eric that runs this here channel EricTheCarGuy.
There is only one guy working this garage and that is Eric, there are not other Erics in this establishment.
Man that job looks like a nightmare. My 98 200SX SE-R is having some issue like that Altima had. If it turns out to be an intake manifold gasket I'm selling the car. I think 13 years of ownership is a good run.
Eric, i just had an aha moment! You could've wrapped some string around the bolt head a couple times then lowered the bolt down with the magnet, holding only onto the outer part of the head, helped it near the bolt hole then applied pressure with the magnet (again on the outer bolt head) then pulled the string up towards you and through the runner to try and get it threaded in the most, kind of like another viewer said before like using a belt to thread it in, just some food for thought.
Some one else did this job and took out the entire thing. I like this method way better.
Stuff like this is why I love my 02 civic ex. Metal intake and exhaust gaskets and way easier to get to than this Nissan. The only reason I had to take mine apart was to replace my head gasket. It was probably a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10 for difficulty as far as removing the intake gasket.
its nice to see so many parts on that car deliciously clean :) cars that i work on in the UK are seldom clean or rust free, simple things are struggles most often...good job though!
Looks like I'm gonna be doing this on my 95 nissan altima im not looking forward to it after watching you work on this one but this will definitely help, great video thanks eric!
It's nice to see how carefull you are with the maniffold after such a frustrating work, I would just freak out and use a lot of violence on that crap manifold :)
Awesome job! Very tedious but you handled it like a pro. Hopefully that car won't have that problem again.Nissan Atima's are known for that in that vintage.
Great video. I don't feel too bad now since my mechanic is charging me $220 for labor!
I commend you Eric on a job well done. I'm about to tackle a head gasket job on the same motor. looks like the intake would be my hardest task. Great Video.
Hats off to you,Eric. I can imagine what labor cost is. What a pain in the butt. Good job,Nissan. :p
service manual says to remove the head with the intake attached...seems maybe that's a good idea. either way its like 7 hours on the book.
I work at Nissan dealership and we have several techs that can do them in 3 to 4 hours obviously without removing the head., (and they are not butchers) . But they have done many because it is such a common problem . I've done 1 and it took about 10 hrs but I'm sure I can do my next one in hopefully 7 ish hours.. Lotta tricks, u can do it completely from the top,, u gotta push the lower half of the intake down under the studs of the upper half then you will have just enough room to get at bolts,, very difficult job tho!
GREAT video dude. Yeah, that looked intense, like heart surgery.
I have a 99 Altima, 220,000 km (138,000 miles). Yeah, I'm a Canuck. Anyway the car has been mostly problem free. But if this problem rears it's ugly head, I may push it off a cliff. Great video though. Thanks ETCG!
My 99 Altima with 180k now has this problem, and I don't even want to know what it will cost me at a shop. I know I am not going to even try this stuff as I am not a car guy with any tools required.
Eric your so awesome, mechanically and personality, good luck for the future
Eric you should definitely put a link in this video to your "Those Damn Engineers!" Video!
Sometimes I just sit there with my hands on my head, thinking to myself "why the hell would they design it like this!?" Lol
"Yes, i see the ripped CV boot"
Aaaw shoot, my brain was screaming there for a moment!
excluding being hard to reach, very little engine repair is actually hard. Its just extremely time consuming, and sometimes things really really don't want to let go.
I was cringing so hard seeing you use that heavy duty pry bar on that soft aluminum mating surface :O
Yup, those bolts are a bitch. My friend and I wound up inventing (probably not!) a new tool by modifying an open ended wrench. Took us 8 hours for those two bolts. IMHO, if anyone is doing this job, may as well go all in and replace the cylinder head gasket, head bolts, and valve cover gasket. Most everything in the way is already out. Most difficult part is timing chain/cam shaft removal/installation. BUT... the good part is that you don't have to screw around with the intake bolts connected to the cylinder head. You can remove (and install) the intake manifold and cylinder head AS A UNIT. Then, you have clear access to all the intake/head bolts. I did it the hard way on removal (needed to replace the head gasket), and then figured out that we could remove/install together. So, probably 12 hours to remove, and less than 3 to put it back in. Thanks for the video.
im sure it did but it looked like there was enough room to slide the gasket over. it seemed like he was intending to pull out the intake but realized after pulling the studs it still would not budge, so he opted out
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It's always good job, but maybe if you took out the engine from the car, it would be much easier.
You should get a set of what I know as crows feet, they are an open ended wrench that you can attach to a socket wrench I use them all the time with extensions and universals to get around to where I need to get
Hello just did this job yesterday it was very challenging
But got it done same problem
The manifold to cylinder head was the problem
I've removed the trotle body and got my arm from the driver side all the way to that last bolt on the left side and that made it easy to get it
eric you should get a hoist/lift for your garage
i've done many engine swaps and tranny swaps and sometimes the leverage when your laying underneath a car just doesn't do it.
i work at a Nissan dealer and every time i get in to something big I'm always saying to myself "really Nissan?"
Mike B yh Nissan has too much blood for my liking lol. Its a saying we use in my country it means " very sensitive"
I wouldn't work for a Nissan dealer, just sayin, I can do without the hassle..
I hate nissans man, I owned one basically just about tore into EVERYTHING and I’ve worked on many of them I hate um lol
Have you heard of occam's razor? The extreme pressures and heat that an engine produces mean things will wear out over time, no matter the quality. Gaskets are there to ensure a tight seal, I'm sure some brands are junk but for the most part I've seen most types of Gaskets hold up quite well as long as a vehicle is maintained and not overheated.
So your choice of what to believe is: conspiracy for planned obsolescence, or, the fact that gaskets just wear down over time.
I removed the Throttle body. It gave me excess under the manifold in order to reach the bottom manifold bolts with my hand and wrenches.
Truly advanced work, at least to my eyes.
directly under the intake manifold, basically above the oil filter a ways. replacing is doable but not easy.
Great work enjoyed and thanks for heads up on headed bolts ill start on mine tomorrow probably later keep up absolutely great work Eric God bless
Very tight one but, good job. It gets the job done.
Eric ... You are a superman.
Northstar head gasket and cylinder block head bolt repair.
Doing this job IS a pain in the ass, but you've gotta admit, Nissan's KA24DE engine is an iron beast..I had a Stanza (a KA with a single cam) and that thing put up with everything I could throw at it. Rest in peace my beautiful first car...the engine however is ready for more
Such patience...haven't seen a wrench go flying across or out of the shop...yet.
how much more pain and cost to pull the head, ex, and intake as an assembly,,,thanks for the videos
Search for "flexible ratchet extension". perfect tool for those tough to get to bolts.
I've had the tick (rather knock) on KA24E too, but the KA24DE was great for over 200,000 miles befor it was sold. All the original gaskets except the valve cover gasket.
i got the exact same car, it cost me alote to change the pcv valve. a 10$ part. :P it look like that, droping the engine to get the power steering pump out... ect. thank for this video, i found a leaking egr pilot hose just after the part1 of this video, cus i try to find why your intake dont fall. i hope my CEL light will stay off. bye
wonder if that is like a series 2 or 3 3800 where you can rotate the engine forward a few inches, and it give a lot more room in the back.
That's a pretty intense intake manifold gasket job,,
i just finish one of those. and find it easier to do manifold gasket via separating the lwr manifold allows you to access fastener easier.
Magnetic tray would save you from dropping those bolts from the windshield area and losing them. One of the most convenient tools to use.
4:18 i was waiting for this moment :D
Thanks for showing how a repair goes in real life.
I did the intake gasket on my lil honda civic it was a tough one too. Limited space and lots of fasteners!! But I got it done
Had to replace the water hose under the intake manifold. Those hoses took two hours extra. At least. I'd never buy that car. You can't find the injector gaskets at the local parts distributor either. Pain in the ass.
used to have one of these...thank the gods I never had a problem like this ..damn..Nightmare on Elm Street
EricTheCarGuy At 18:11 when you start the bolt, slip a belt under the bolt and use it to twist the fasteners in, forget the "two magnet method".
+Cash Beatz Good trick. It took me two days to remove those bolts. But it was fun until I used a belt. I also removed the oil filter to reach the other R/H bolt since I started to have cramps.
Good one man, never thought about that, think outside the box huh
I just removed the whole head out a new head gasket new head bolts because 200k lol boom did exhaust and intake gasket under 4 hours
hey eric in the past I have used 2 nuts on the stud and tighten them back to back. then use the either the front nut to insert the stud back in. Or to remove them use the back nut to break them free instead of having to use locking pliers. I have use this method many times over with success. Also i have noticed that you did not use any penetrating oil to remove them.lol....
A coworker of mine has a brother that works at a Nissan dealer, said he comes home everyday really filthy and tired as hell. After watching this video, now I see why! Geez