DESTINY'S USELESS TO US - Destiny's Ban Debate Leaves Panelist Speechless
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- Debate panel discussing his ban leaves Destiny speechless ft NotSoErudite
Date: 28 Mar, 2022
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00:00:00 Teaser / Intro
00:00:40 Destiny's ban on Twitch
00:03:01 Destiny doesn't have value left
00:09:21 Destiny is a liberal, he's not on the left.
00:14:51 Slanderous claims against Destiny
00:25:06 Good debater is an insult
00:28:49 What is actually brigading?
00:36:37 You get clout for attacking Destiny
00:46:51 Will Destiny ever get unbanned...?
00:54:59 Destiny's audience range
01:04:34 Extreme self selection is harmful
01:11:49 Hasan gave his editor his means of production
#Destiny
NotSoErudite loses her mind after realizing that some streamers on Twitch don't consider Destiny as part of the left...
Destiny's Argument w/ Linus On Twitter Leads To Frustrating Lefty Debate ►ruclips.net/video/9NCQ7-8E6GY/видео.html
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Destiny doesn't consider himself as part of the left, for many definitions of left
shit man i feel bad for these dirtbags, they turn on people because you dont agree with them on everything 100% of the time, these people are fucked up
The serfs had a Keffals video that has vanished it's pretty amazing how much Salt and Cope Lance is living off at the moment as his Ratioing Keffals stuff is pure cringe he's also claiming you had multiple twitter account taken down due to how abusive you are 😸😸😸😸yes because owning Tonkasaw and Ian Miles Cheong is so abusive 😸😸😸
@M S M4A not really, but open borders sure. But most left people don’t want open borders eirher so.
"Liberals aren't on the left."
I didn't spend my life getting called a "Liberal F-slur" just to now be called a Right-winger by people who don't understand nuance.
Yes. Liberalism has nothing to do with left or right wing politics
Wait, you spent your life getting called a liberal f slur? Lol.
tfw a based nuanced not-right-winger gets humorously mislabeled for life. Sorry bro
@@P.Aether to be fair, there are leftwing liberals and rightwing liberals, like libertarians, they are on the both sides of the center, so technically, there are more than just 2 sides on every given issue, but during voting people usually consolide mainly in just 2 camps, for a higher probability of winning, so we ending up choosing lesser of 2 evils
I think liberals/centrists should be consider as a third side, next to the left wingers and the right wingers
@@DjMaxi005 liberals are right leaning. They just place people left leaning or right leaning because of social beliefs, not the economic theory behind the classification.
Liberals are capitalists are against things like universal healthcare, they are more to the right. Hell they even used to be against free elementary education. They are less for regulations. But some people have mixed beliefs and arent exactly pure liberal also.
Facists and communist systems are more similar but people place one far left and one far right. Makes no sense unless its a social perception of social issues, not the economics behind it
Destiny not helping the left is like the most revealing talking point ever. Is this a veiled conversation about banning all those who hurt the left? Are we really that deep into the echo chamber that the discussion revolves around if destiny, the liberal, is far left enough for us to care about him being banned?
Also, its like clockwork. How can destinys takes be so bad but somehow you need to get him kicked from the platform because you have a hard time arguing against them? Is this a self report?
Hmmm. Its almost like people predicted this happening... Which destiny laughed at at that time. Ya know, anti sjws n such.
Amen brother!
Yes officer, this man, right here.
Yeah their argument seems to be "if you aren't virtue signaling with us, you're against us"
critical thinking isnt allowed, just accept the narrative and keep your head down
Destiny- finally has enough of leftist nonsense and starts actively calling it out.
Leftists- Destiny is alt right
that's what leftist do, always. Mussolini was a socialist until lefties wanted to paint facism as right wing, Lenin literally sent a letter to the Italian Socialists telling them how they should be like Mussolini.
Lefties can't cope with reality and Adorno had a copium overdose and defined facism as rightwing despite reality and how the ideoligy comes from the left.
Hm... almost as if the left is a giant politically correct meatgrinder who will literally devour themselves and hack each other into tiny bits until they stop existing. And I have a deja vu as if this was pointed out before and people warned of this.... I believe anti-sjw's did that like 3 or 4 years ago.
Who could have foreseen this?
Purity purges
These people speak for themselves. Nobody elected them to represent the 'left'.
Imagine the pain of not being able to jump onto these streams anymore to 1v20 people, because you've been banned.
To be fair if Destiny dropped in half these people would clam up immediately and not have shit to say to him
twitch is turning into an orgy of radicalization. eventually things will snap
Jesus please. Dude, please please let these people know: that challenging _the left_ on their BS _IS ACTUALLY HELPFUL TO THE LEFT._ Holy shit.
I doubt they'd agree with it, but it looks like a lot of them have decided the world is a fight between the left and right and the left has to win or we get to Nazism, or some other horrific outcome.
they dont care
they care about their set in stone, specific brand of leftism where anyone who isnt a socialist or communist is a right winger
but they call it broadly "the left" because thats the only thing they consider to be left
Being pro nato literally does not
How unironic is it that they find you defeating their arguments (ie. forcing them to strengthen their arguments to hold up in debate) as having no value at all xD
Because they're all just stupid ideologues with a quasi-religious belief. They just want to preach that belief system without anyone criticizing its flaws or disagreeing with them.
People want the anime power up without having to go through the training arc
Using “un-ironic” sarcastically melts brains.
And they say he doesn't prepare, he has been preparing for fucking years that's why most of the time he doesn't have to do research because he already did it
"If the person who I disagree with can argue their point well, and have people agree with them rather than me; that's a bad thing."
"I disagree with Destiny on some things, so he's hurting the 'LEFT'."
Its the Fauci Argument...(Instead "...I am Science.." "I am THE LEFT")
They are absolutely idiotic
It’s like they don’t understand the concept of losing or that these things have real stakes and when your point sucks you deserve to lose people following it
Theres a weird thing that Katee does. She always first says something incredibly inflammatory to virtue signal and then walks it back a little bit to a still unjustifiable position which makes it very hard to pin her down on anything she says. Everytime she speaks she makes at least 2 separate claims (which often are even diametrically opposed) and she can choose which one she really meant depending on the person shes talking to. For other twitter lefties she will always pick the first inflammatory statement and take social credit and for opponents she will take the other claims and say shes being misrepresented when people criticize the horrible inflammatory takes. This happened in the debate on casual sex multiple times as well. Dont know if she just isnt aware that she holds multiple opposing views or if she is just doing it as a debate tactic
We went from conservative 'rationalist' motte and bailey debate tactics to virtue signalling 'the real left' motte and bailey debate tactics. It's as if they don't realise that they have completely lost the plot when they're so deeply entrenched into 'their teams'.
@@ringspinna2904 oh my god i didnt know that this was called motte and bailey, now the memes all make sense 😭
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Lukas Maier are you saying she is the female Tim pool?
The eternal curse of someone who has absolutely nothing valuable to say but feels like they should be talking anyway.
None of these people are intelligent. What you're describing is how unintelligent people that don't spend alot of time thinking express themselves.
I really thought it was stupid when socialists started using "the left" to refer to specifically socialists... And now they're actually starting to believe that they are the entire left...
Marxists have been referring to themselves as "the left" for a long, long time. At least since WW2. And almost universally in the 60s. And they intentionally used it to exclude liberals. A lot of liberals adopted the term "the left" within the last few decades, especially in the US, in order to set themselves up in contrast to conservatives, Republicans, "right-wingers". Ewww. We're not them, so we must be "the left". Lefties were happy about this, of course, since it gave them an opportunity to start drawing old school liberals closer to themselves.
Or maybe the overton window has shifted. Classical liberals are considered right leaning at this point.
Yeah. I’ve always thought it was kinda weird for the term “leftist” to be used explicitly as a socialist label. I’m sure there are many socdems that are ubiquitously considered to be on the left. I don’t think Destiny would be considered a part of that left though.
It's almost as if these self-proclaimed leftists are just nazis or filthy commies in disguise. I don't even think that half of these crazed tankies would label socdems as "part of the left". If you show one ounce of liberalism or love for freedom and basic human rights then these people will say that you're not really part of the movement. These guys are basically just fascism or red fascism bootlickers.
they say the right is the far-right so i think these people don''t understand anything
It's been like a sad documentary to watch NotSoErudite enter the twitch world as a functioning human being and seeing her horrified reaction to the shit that goes on here
Destiny being funny is a clear sign that he's a right-winger
Being mean is a big 2nd sign.
@@sarinat3101 oh yeah, big time
There's funny right-wingers?
@@AcrossTheSea12 yeah. Destiny. Pay attention
@@AcrossTheSea12 Humour is an instrument of the far right, now. And games. And freedom. Basically you're not allowed to have fun on the left.
NotSoErudite seems like a cool person but it's pretty sad to see normie people clash with out of touch streamers. I hope it doesn't get to her much.
Her conversation with Viv. I feel like it woke something deep within erudite and she realized she was talking to actual crazy people
@@Wiffernubbin yeah and I actually like her content so I hope this doesn't burn her out. She's trained to deal with the mentally deranged though, so I think she'll be fine.
@@Wiffernubbin link?
@@en510 it was Fridays stream I believe.
@@en510 ruclips.net/video/RMX867wRYdE/видео.html
These people are absolutely insane, not erudite tho btw, she's really cool. That one girl in the top middle and the guy to the left of her are 2 of the most annoying people I've ever heard
Erudite is a breath of fresh air
Tbh I'm not sure what that Chumlee impersonator is even there for.
Erudite is great. Katee is normally good. I like her as long as she's not talking about Destiny.
I've never heard of erudite before. I thought it was kinda weird when she said she was defending destiny like she was defending an indigenous child.
Erudite is literally mecha-Hitler for muting the panel every few minutes.
how to be an online debater in 2022: "this person i don't like is umm, bad for the left and uhh, he did the bad things!"
Of course he is bad for the Left, he isn't Left! He's a liberal
You also must be female or trans. None of the males can get away with being that empty headed.
*2009-2022
although admittedly it has been increasingly spiraling.
I honestly hope the alt right comes back to twitch and these people get demolished, imagine having to debate an actual hateful person who won’t care if you call them bigoted
How to be an internet socialist: "a person of my status and stature shouldn't be criticized by his own community. I will burn this community to the ground".
I never imagined Erudite was able to fucking John Wick massacre the other panel guests.
She worked with homeless youth addicts. I’ve learned not to be fooled by her Canadianness
Commies: Liberals are NOT part of the left!
Rave Dubin: A liberal in the true sense of the word is a modern-day conservative.
The horseshoe theory keeps giving eh.
Horseshoe theory actually true
@@DSPHistoricalSociety Horseshoe theory is absolutely true, we just need to be careful because when we talk about horseshoe theory it gives the appearance of all else being equal. In America, radical commies are a tiny tumor on the Democrat party. Meanwhile, alt-righters, maga hats, anti-vaxers, and the like *are* the Republican party. The difference is that Democrats didn't elect Hasanabi to the White House.
I buy in to the horseshoe theory myself, but this also just makes sense. For some time the left has been pushed more left where the right has stayed largely the same. If you imagine the spectrum, and see that while liberal was once considered far left in the U.S., you can see how by expanding much further to the left to include socialism and communism puts Liberals more center-left, and eventually center and if it goes far enough Liberals would eventually be pushed into the right wing. And it's not that liberal politics are changing, it's not that liberals have crossed the line, it's that the line has been moved so far that it's crossed the liberals while they sat still.
Edit: Also, if you think about it, liberal values have been winning slowly but surely for some time. Conservatives are traditionalists, but the fact that Liberals have been winning have slowly altered tradition, and if liberals are happy with their gains and see little need to keep gaining more, you could see how they may want to conserve the traditions that have been established, and that may well make them "conservatives" in that point alone. Although, I think while this isn't explained by the shift in spectrum, it is a cause of that shift. TL;DR, liberal politics have mostly stayed liberal politics, the movement along the spectrum is not caused by change of beliefs, but by a movement of the spectrum itself.
Because the theory is simply how time shifts. Years ago Liberal is "fresh" now Liberal is very much "old hat" even if only 10 years of time have happened. Look at how all this kicked off because of "sexism in video games and believe all women" To basically now "fuck women they don't deserve those spaces"
10 years... Simply think of all that has happened. All the shifting to where we are now. Watch those like Vaush and Hasan are soon to break their facades. Their fans will destroy them too by being "too right wing"
@@ExeErdna Vaush, perhaps. Vaush, despite being malicious and axe crazy in a lot of ways, I do think has *some* principles, and already stands for them against the crowd. Hasan, however, I genuinely don't think holds any position at all other than the most surface level vapid understanding of a topic. He will seamlessly shift wherever a crowd wants him to go.
Lol the internet is a horrible place. “I’m a lefty but you’re not on the left; you’re a liberal because you don’t agree with everything that I do.” It’s tiring 😒🤦🏾♂️
"and if you're not on my team then you're a bigot."
Good stuff.
so much for the left being "all inclusive" lol. I'm black and I wonder what they'd think of me as fairly centrist.
@@thelonercoder5816 You are literally a white supremacist.
@@thelonercoder5816 Lol right I know exactly what you mean. I consider myself centre left as well. People always expect you to have the most radical opinions when you’re black 😂
@@thelonercoder5816 I don't think that's ever been the case, though. The left has always been a lot more prone to infighting and schisms than the right -- both historically and on the internet.
Why does him helping the left even matter? This is a freaky conversation. Banning people biased on arbitrary how far you lean compass is not something I think people should support. What happens if the pendulum shifts and that same rhetoric is applied
They don't believe the pendulum will shift back
because if you don't toe the line, you will wind up dead
The people in the wooke left church (because it is as much a religion as anything) want to only hear their own views, and I say that as far trad-leftist.
@@alswisha8519 cus it won't
@@guffeluffe5987 tell me you have no understanding of politics or history, without telling me you have no understanding of politics or history...
"How do you determine which ones are oligarchs?"
"That's for you to self determine"
Doesn't that end the conversation at disagreeing at which things are oligarchs based on your opinion rather than definition?
"The Red Terror is, like, your opinion man."
Turns out the real Oligarchy was the friends we made along the way
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher based
The way the younger people come at politics and discussion paints a horrifying future outlook
Dystopian nightmare, friendo
Why boomer? Discussing if antagonism should be part of politics has been a discussion for forever. The right wing has been shitting reactionary rhetoric down the throats of people for the last 100 years. I say let the twitter zoomers even out the playing field.
@@hemligstamplad3489 So... let the _Twitter Zoomers_ be as bad as the knot-sees? Cool, dawg
@Adolf Hitler I never said anything about you King
@Adolf Hitler
You killed that asshole Hitler atleast. Props
“Not very helpful to the online left” I’m more conservative than liberal but Destiny is one of the very few where I can understand why he believes in what he believe and doesn’t just throw logic out the window for the sake of being inclusive. They basically burned a whole bridge between left and right to come to mutual understandings.
Im 32 so i grew up being shouted at my righties about how evil and satanic i was. So though i get what you mean...depending on age...for me that bridge was burnt by the right but lime a decade and a half ago
@@unclebobboomergames I think the idea of the "bridge being burnt" is so counterproductive. There is always room for common ground and a mutual understanding, therefore saying that the bridge is burnt is not helpful to the debate at all.
@@JonathanS344 in reality yes you are correct. When im talking to a righty in real life there would be 0 point if i talkes as if theres 0 connection between us
@@JonathanS344 in terms of content online he’s actually willing to challenge ideas on the right and left which many people can respect. But to have a whole platform with people who are intolerable of anything remotely centrist is the problem and they ofc don’t care cause he doesn’t help the online “left”
No need to just throw logic out the window for the sake of being inclusive. Inclusivity follows the same logic of human rights.
many are practiced at talking, few are practiced at listening
Fewer are practiced at backing up their arguments with cited sources.
I remember not knowing who Destiny was and seeing clips and not understanding who he was and believing all the “destiny bad” hype. But the moment I took the time to actually sit through and watch entire streams, which btw it’s rare I even do that, and I was like wow this guy is great even if you don’t like how he delivers it. I do because I like honesty even if it’s mean. But he does help the left, especially for people like me, who were always social democrats, and when this weird pendulum swing happened where irrational cancellation and silencing of the right, and victimization happened it made me think that the left was no longer a place for someone like me. Because only people on the right actually seem sane to me. And as much as I will always watch and respect those people on the right, Destiny has shown me that hey there are liberals like myself who feel like the left on the internet is toxic as hell and at this point is just group of radical irrational people
Destiny showed you that being right wing is ok and it’s good to hate the left? Amazing lmfao. It’s like you lack self awareness but carry on bud
@@cameronpatterson130 No idiot he showed me that you don’t have to be right wing to think and be rational, that there are still people on the left that don’t fall into that online bullshit meaning he kept me from going to the right at the last moment because of people like you
Agreed. Not here for identity politics, and there are plenty of things I disagree with Destiny about, but I love the guy and love watching his debates. Unlike (seemingly) all of these other internet politics debaters, he's actually thought through his stances and ideas while also being capable of critical thought in general. Sadly this is exceptional.
@@LoudWaffle exactly and you know what, we’re never going to all agree on everything and sooner or later the world needs to realize that, and that it’s okay. There are things that I don’t agree with that Destiny holds as views too, but I know that he’s not getting to his conclusions nefariously. That he’s actually being critical and thoughtful and doing research. So even if I might not agree with a certain view of his, I’ll keep it back there in my mind that it totally might be valid.
I am on the right and I watch a lot of destiny. I’ve seen so many debate panels and watched Vaush and Hasan and such and I have to say that the lefty community is seriously depressing and vile. Destiny is the only one I respect.
@@bass7100 the left seems this way to me outside of destiny’s circles as well
lol the right is worse on literally everything
@@bass7100 Lol, ok then let's see what Twitch turns into without him.
@@322aareyn I don’t agree. The right has a lot of dumbasses too but the overall feeling of the dialogue isn’t nearly as toxic. It’s much easier to listen to.
Lefty? I’m an Australian Socialist who was a Vietnam war draft resister.
There are very few Lefists in America.
Hasan finally giving in and having Grimes on is like if that Jeff Bezos wearing a Eat the Rich shirt meme was real life. Hasan and Grimes forming a voltron is like the final boss of all socialism cosplays.
"Destiny is not good for the left"
That stance is the reason I refer to myself as a centrist, even though I lean left.
You probably lean right. Leaning “left” has come to mean anything these days. If you don’t hate gay people apparently that means you lean left.
Don’t refer to yourself as anything, that’s how you get grouped in with a certain group and all their bullshit. Don’t force yourself into some shitty narrow lane by labelling yourself.
I don’t give a shit about economics so I usually just say I’m a progressive
Just remember that "the left" has 2 positions: "insane" or "leftist". If you compared the left in the US to the rest of the world, the leftists become centrists and the insane ones spread about evenly over the rest of the spectrum. The US is a propaganda machine bigger than North Korea at this point -_-.
@@Hayden_Cat which makes you a right winger
Just listening to the first three minutes made realize a huge problem with political discourse. The left vs right dichotomy, it's not very useful to understand people's political views, and it easily falls into this stupid idea that "left good right bad" or "right good left bad" that people who aren't fully bought into the bull shit of one side is a traitor or "isn't useful". It's so dumb Destiny supports many of the things these guys support like trans rights, regulations for corporations, and large saftey net for the the poor but since he doesn't constantly virtue signal "America bad" and "capitalism is the cause of all evil and needs to be destroyed" he is actually a fascist demougoge. This clearly a product of echo chambers and purity culture that infest the internet and the left right dichotomy that pushes this idea that poltics can only move left or right, and for absolutely stupid ideologues that means either moving left towards socialism and communism, or right towards fascism and nazism. So it's really hard for me to take seriously people who's criticism are "this person isn't useful for the left" "and they are moving towards the right" like as though the left is monolithic united force of good and the right is a dark force of evil.
I would not even call these neo-leftists *left*, to me that are something else. But I agree, the left/right scale is an oversimplification.
The left vs right spectrum is bad at providing an accurate label for someone’s political positions. It also doesn’t help us get to what is right or true.
@@OpiatesAndTitsI agree it is to simple and it often too easily falls into "one way good one way bad" rather than actually figuring out what we should do to solve problems.
It’s very difficult which is why I tend to ask who people vote for and their views on policy.
@@dantheman627 Except it warrants it when the truth is more often than not he'll uncritically do the exact opposite of what someone like haz does and go all in on nato. He's constantly defended using the same solutions that establishment does even when its blatantly a croc.
Am I dumb thinking that the argument "He isn't consistent with his views" is pretty dumb since the whole point of debating is trying to understand the others and change your point if they make a good argument? I don't believe people, who never even acknowledge what others are saying, and just repeat their talking points... but maybe I'm just dumb??
I think it more stems from the fact that a) Destiny often makes that argument with other debaters regularly when they don't seem to have thought things through to the end so it appears to be an easy "gotcha" point they can throw back at him and b) any kind of personal growth when it comes to political opinions is not allowed and they're trying to make it seem like its a bad thing.
No, you are not wrong, that take is just horrid and pestilent
I’m glad we’ve finally graduated from the No BS “debate tactics“ to now clarifying that Destiny isn’t a “magician“ as I assume somebody believes? Yes, Destiny is a good debater, and it makes it even easier when you have the facts on your side and aren’t just in your feels.
notsoerudite out here in the fuckin' trenches breh
I respect her so damn much
Destiny is getting close to Trump levels of how many people he lives in the heads of rent free.
Oh god, that flashback to the superpac 'dark money' discussion... "Oh yeah I do tons of research" "Superpacs can donate unlimited funds untraceably to government officials..."
The multi people panels feel like a battle of who can be the most cringe
The 'liberals are not left, its just a fucked overton window' logic should also mean you're not right wing unless you're a fascist. Of course I realise a lot of people on the left think all right wingers are fascist anyway. But then, a lot of people on the right think all leftists are communists, so I guess it is what it is.
Well according to the lefties they actually are all communists/socialists xD.
@@madmonkeys88 When I say left I mean all Democrats. Maybe its unprecise, I'm from Norway where we have more than two parties so its easier to 'classify.'
RUclips has more diversity of opinions because RUclips doesn't really purge people's controversial opinions... Unless they're WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY out there... Twitch is far more trigger happy on the bans...
Katee talked for an uninterrupted 2 minutes for her intro. Then another 2 for her response. I already want to blow my brains out.
these guys are delusional. we need destiny to balance the leftists otherwise far left becomes the norm
Think we are past that tipping point.
Don't kid yourself. On social media, the far left lunatics have won already. They are the norm. Destiny getting banned for voicing moderate left/ liberal positions is just a confirmation of that. The problem is that it's clashing with reality hard. Which is exactly why when the pushback is going to come - and there is no way it's not - it's going to be insane.
I'm sure that these people spend most of their lives in front of computer screens and rarely interact with anyone outside of their weird lefty echo chamber.
@@albertosillywhips7281 People said that five years ago as well. Positions that are considered "only online" now will start sipping into the real world sooner or later.
@@theguywiththefish7732 Unfortunately, you might be right. There are GOP representatives who believe Quanon conspiracies, and Democrats who believe that men can bear children.
I am vicariously watching twitch through Destiny vacariously living through notsoerudte on twitch with topic about Destiny....
Strange times
Vaush didn't expect to find you here.
My life was starting to revolve around Destiny for a while, good thing I got a job.
I'm going to watch Chud logic watch this video of destiny watching aerodite on a twitch panel
Lmao the person who said they've "seen some documentaries" as their defense just said they "do their research"?!? I wish I didn't know they exist...
I love the idea that if you're having an argument against 20 other people and somehow you still come on top that's not an indication to those people that they might be wrong Instead it's just magic debate tactics
phew I almost had to actually go outside thankfully now I have more content
NotSoErudite on that Destiny steelman arc. You love to see it.
Destiny isn't on an anti lefty arc, the left is on an anti destiny take.
NotSoErudite is a treasure. I just hope she can maintain her sanity through all this.
Feeeeeeed right my into!
8:04 Great job Destiny and editing team! I literally posted a critique about the lack of twitter context in a week ago in the subreddit and I'm very glad to see the change in place almost immediately. Keep up the great work!
5:35 Cleave off the cancers? I think it's gotten malignant. It's in the blood people. Thing with cancer is that the body doesn't know it's cancer. So it hurts itself in confusion.
Can I just say not all of us right leaning people are total idiots and just regurgitate everything people like Steven crowder say. I am pretty right leaning on a lot of social issues. Even still I agree with a lot of leftists on many topics too. I think we could find a lot more common ground if we all stop assuming the other side are lunatics and wrong about everything. I've been listening to Destiny for a while now and he's made me have to rethink some stuff and actually change my mind. I hate that being reasonable like this makes me sound like.. a centrist. I just don't get why we can't agree that there are reasonable people and extremists on each side. Like I don't agree with the transgender stuff personally, but I'm not going to go out of my way to misgender someone or mistreat them. I just think that I should be able to have the personal opinion that saying you are x gender doesn't automatically make you that. At the same time, people that want to put trans people down and call them names are not people I consider "on my side".
Back in the day i considered myself pretty far right, had a lot of nationalist ideas, not racist but nationalist, i have to thank destiny, after i started following him i started seeing the other side and pretty much disown all what i said in the past, i still dont consider myself on the left but i could say im in the center now, thank to destiny i was able to see things with more clatity and i stopped believing everything i received, also concerning dgg, i believe pretty much people are cool and the left on the internet is just not used to trolly type of people, so when someone challenge things they believe they will always say its harassment
What radicalized people don’t understand is that it’s not radicalized people on the other side that are gonna bring them close (to the left in this case), it’s centrists/moderates because they can bridge the gap by mutual understanding, common ground, etc. Radicalized people create equally radicalized people on the other side and then push each other further and further apart until you have insane people like this stream so centrists and moderate leftists will always be important to the further left if they want to being right wingers closer to their side. But they don’t want that. It’s all or nothing with them and it’s a more and more un achievable, strict and ridiculous standard each and every day
@@leftphilange69 i feel like you are spot on, old Friends i had now call me a lefty even tho i still consider myself center or center right, it feels like the push the moment you disagree against more radical people can come from both sides
I've had the opposite journey. Why would you abandon nationalist positions? The more I'm exposed to the other side, the stronger my convictions get.
@@pollytix7271 because i noticed with more nationalism i would be against the working class that i wanted to protect so much, closing the country also means closing for new tech that could improve the life of everyone, i would completely welcome for example more foreigns companies into my country, i just cant defend nationalism anymore after looking how good my life could be with more job options
@@DontEatSmurfs that’s funny because I get the opposite coming from the left and moving more central. I live in a very liberal city and I was pretty left growing up, but over time, education and becoming more worldly, I realized how many viewpoints of the left are nice in theory but have massive issues logistically. Especially once I studied economics. And as they become more radicalized and hypocritical I just can’t consider myself in the same boat as people like this. But having rejected the crazy “woke” fringe, I get called “radical right winger” by my old friends for the most innocuous things ever. It’s quite sad. I just try to be objective and mediate as many situations as I can and get simultaneously claimed and rejected by both sides. What a disaster, lol. It shows you that people will radicalize themselves just to fit in even. They’re creating very dangerous precedents and social climates
It's good to keep in mind that being a streamer is an extremely particular thing for a person to get into and so streamers are extreme people. Most have serious personality issues and want to create an echo chamber around them, think that they are the kind of people who should have a well paying sycophant following or are not able to do any "real" work for some reason. Most streamers are toaster fuckers themselves and forgetting that can lead to losing grip on reality.
So... wannabe cult leaders
@@DSPHistoricalSociety Pretty much.
@@hartyewh1 though you did put it far more flowery and erudite than I could
That’s bad for society if those kind of people always end up as role models
Toaster fuckers?
I consider myself right leaning but I can actually agree with a decent amount of Destiny's takes and logic
We expect you to vote for Biden now
@@ericstein8019 oh fuck no, dude can barely make it through a sentence. Biden running again should not happen.
@@MrDARKTOILET so then where do you agree with destiny
I agree that the general far left stance on Lia Thomas and trans women in women’s sports is overall harmful towards the outlook on the trans community and isn’t fair to women.
@@MrDARKTOILET so not the Biden simping, or his support for LGBT education in schools
Hilarious how Destiny is getting a taste of his own medicine having to hear Euridite mute the stream when he want's to listen to the panelists. Just like having to hear him mute to complain about league when he mentally checks out of a panel right when a decent comment is being said.
True lol
@@semperk1482 to be fair fair we're just like these orbiters but for destiny.
Don't be too complacent this isn't a one way street.
"Terminally online" has never rang more true
So where does destiny stream now? Just youtube? Also what exactly did he get banned for?
RDLs are fine to touch the ground of you push your ass back keeping back neutral as you stated . Only thing you can argue is in a leg curl especially seated would work more heads as it has knee flexion
NotSoErudite loosing her mind quicker than I am, aaaaamazin
If it wasn't for destiny i wouldn't even know the lefty side of the arguments tbh. he's introduced me to a lot of different ideas and sides that are more liberal/moderate. I know my buddy is the same cause i told him to start watching destiny too and he was an ultra right wing guy for a long time. Forever thankful for him.
Do these people have anything to talk about other than Destiny?
Rent free baby
@@junioralvarado629 when u hate landlords so much you become one
I mean the panel debate was about destiny to begin with. Would be kinda weird not talking about one of the most influential politics streamers getting banned.
Also I think it's important to point out that the shortcuts you open in the academy are traps for running to Rennala. There's a point where you can go up and fight a pumpkin head and a handful of mages, and you will stop the ball from falling down the ramp. But even if you don't do that, dodging the ball is super easy since it runs down a set path every time, and going that way you will encounter zero enemies (once you take care of the Carian knight invader type guy, anyway, which you have to do no matter which route you take, though a small hint if you're struggling with him: there's an elevator behind him that makes for a great death pit for the fellow.)
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dude you gotta crank that bitrate up like 10x whatever it is now, or change how it's being recorded or something. Blurstiny isn't my favourite to watch. Also use VoiceMeeter and the audio mixer in OBS to record with multiple audio tracks so your editor has something to work with, it's really hard to hear people talking with the repetitive game sounds blaring in the background. It's really easy to set up and it's only beneficial to the video.
Welcome to the Tube Destiny!!!
This video ended with my toaster and I staring at one another awkwardly.
People all have strong opinions until pressed on them smh
I used to lean moderately right and Destiny has talked me out of so many of those positions. I’m center left now in large part due to him. So saying he doesn’t help the left is really short sighted.
I'm centre left aswell, and i'm anti immigration because i'm against racial warfare because i see it as non political similar to that i am against pollution or something like that. You always have to compare it to the idiots that pat is talking to, if he's helpful or not. But obviously he's not going to be useful for any kind of fringe groups who want to absorb 1 of the 2 parties in USA. There's no fellowship with these people if you don't think exactly the way they think, and pat whilst he has placated them for a long time, is realizing that too.
I can't claim i know a fuck about how USA was 30 years ago, and i'm not from USA, but as it is now, there doesn't seem to be allowed many different oppinions, there's 1 oppinion per party and that's it.. and there are only 2 parties. So either you hate europeans, you want mass immigration of USA, or you are a 'nazi' that is against/anti mass immigration, and you don't hate euro americans.
And having every single acceptable political position under one of these two umbrellas, rather than having hybrid oppinions, is what creates this problems.
Transsexuals for example, think they run the US democrat party, and if you don't do what they would like you to do, they declare you are not a US democrat, or you are not a libertarian or you are not a left leaning or you are not this or that.
It’s insane how people feel so legitimate to tell you what you should be thinking and saying.
8:05 What video is she talking about? I'm new here
Destiny is the most useful. Also this intro makes me like NotSoErudite even more.
I just turned 25 but I’ve been listening to all this since I was 18.
I think that first person who was talking about oligarchs from the way she spoke I think she was getting confused with oligopoly
It's so strange how out of touch these people are, I'm not even politically aligned that much but he at least has real people takes. You know Rittenhouse, the stealthing shit, trans in sports, n word in private these are like all takes that regular people would agree with. These sophists aren't even real people.
The fact that people take any of this shit seriously at all is hysterical to me. I can't imagine thinking about political stuff every day all day. You can tell these people have no hobbies outside of looking at twitter.
This was an excellent convo with NotSoErudite, the age demographics part was fascinating. Cheers.
Bless NotSoErudite for being the only panelist with the ability to rationalize any kind of thought
I feel stupid listening to this conversation. These streamers need to grow up.
Lol at 15:00 “you’re making a lot of qualifying statements against our qualifying statements and see no irony”
In the first ten minutes, you can clearly see who has actually touched grass in the last year and who hasn't.
They keep moving the political bar
The same people who say that the working class need to come together against the Bourgeoisie create Virtue tests over and over to further divide people.
Hey, you found out what socialism and communism is actually about.
Eroding social structures to grab power.
Thats why they are called "revolutionary" in many cases.
While never having been a part of the working class, and truly not caring about the working class.
1:05:52 On people separating themselves into walled-off communities where they become more & more extreme, I've actually seen this very topic discussed on a video that's several years old, from back when this was largely happening on Tumblr. It's from JT Sexkik, the same guy who made the "how is prangent formed" video, and it's titled "THIS VIDEO IS PROBLEMATIC," where he discusses where exactly social justice radicals are coming from. Make no mistake, he's talking about the very same people who were teenagers then and are adults now.
He doesn't get into the weeds on their positions, either; he just makes this really familiar mention of how people just want to feel like they belong to something that has purpose and so they put themselves into these niche communities that get more & more extreme. With the Internet having gotten into everyone's homes, it's become a timeless discussion, at least until explicit awareness of it breaks into the common discourse.
Does the audio ever become bearable in this vid?
At least Destiny has good people in his corner. Quality trumps quantity IMO.
Why does destiny keep getting blamed for his community going to other peoples channels when he has already done literally anything and everything anyone can do to stop that from happening? or discourage that and has never directly told anyone to go and attack another person. to me if anyone ever makes the point that see you or his community or bad because of that happening you are instantly labeled in my eyes as a dishonest moronic actor who should not be taken seriously to any degree. because you’re grasping at the smallest frailest of straws to try and attempt to get any W over him whatsoever in anyway you can to the point of dishonesty and unrealistic expectations 21:00 Is literally the perfect example.
Because they cannot attack his beliefs or arguments reasonably
oh god, why did you remind me of the dark money incident
Destiny de radicalized me… from the left
Remember that having views In spite of what you disagree with is as retarded as the views you disagree with.
Is it even possible to word things good on twitter
It's possible, I watch Destiny a lot and his tweets imo seem overly exaggerated even though I agree with them. It's possible to word things good but trash, degenerate, lefties disagree with Destiny just for the sake of it so to them they don't care.
Thank god the “who gives a fuck if women can’t compete in sports” guy is here
I just started this and WHY WOULD YOU MUTE THE PANEL TO THANK DONOS I HAVE TOTALLY LOST TRACK OF WHAT ANYONE WAS SAYING WHYYYYYYY!?!?!
Conservative here, from my view Destiny helps the left by actually bringing reason and logic to debates against both sides, and that makes people like me actually listen and engage with the ideas he has, even if i disagree. The other lefty twitch losers literally just scream Reeeeecism on everything and it has completely lost its effect.
Yeeeeep. I’m definitely right-leaning but Destiny helps keep me tethered to the center and not jumping way out to the right every time a lefty dumbfuck give a hot take. He reminds me that there are rational positions on the left to engage with
Is this a meme now? Every RUclips video, “I like Destiny even when I disagree with his takes.”
There is never anything qualifying that. What do you people disagree with? Name 1 thing and why. Even just link a video of the opposite take, I don’t care if you don’t want to personally defend it, just have anything, “I disagree when Destiny says trans women don’t belong in sports. *video title* is an okay representation of my view.”
“I disagree with Destiny’s view on socialism because X, this video describes X well and why that take was wrong.”
@@Cal-xq6im breath
@@Cal-xq6im the point of my comment was to say I can agree with how someone argues with out agreeing with what they are argueing. I dont need to cite a source to make that point because its not an argueing point, im saying i think hes better for the left because I as a conservative actually listen to what he has to say its based on my own opinion not something someone else made a video about.
Did you know Destiny actually created leftism? He proofread Das Capital and helped Marc form his ideas.
right before Marc changed the c to an X for better marketing. all while destroying the markets...
@@dylansevitt auto correct got me down bad
@@dylansevitt i told him to do marcZ
Early check in
8:07 what video of Destiny on a SA spree combo is out there?
NotSoErudite is such a breath of fresh air, we need more non-deranged women in the online political sphere
I really want to see a valid IQ test of every person in the twitch debate sphere. I think it would be truly enlightening.
Are there any good ones rn?
@@0doublezero0 Yeah people like MrGirl, Destiny and Erudite are probably around 2 stds above the mean (130) or higher while many people that debate them are just average or even below average
REEEEEEEEEE IQ tests are not fair to all peoples REEEEEEEEE
@@0doublezero0 A lot of things Mr. Girl says are wonderfully interesting- it's a shame neither "side" wants to allow looking below the surface of anything.
Midwits are more dangerous than the grugbrains, at least grugs have a sense of endearment about them
Why are seven days old videos comming up now?
Any hint of uploading the Dallas shit show this weekend?
Love destiny, he's a cool guy, I don't agree with all his takes, but he's one of the only people I'll watch listen to, and sometimes agree with.
It’s absurd to think someone could agree with all of anyones takes, what’s wrong with taking the good with the bad? But the problem with leftist people is they have no opinion and just absorb the opinion of the content creator they like
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 that's collectivism for you a true hive mind affect seen before our very eyes.
erudite is gigachad
Oligarchy vs oligopoly 🤣