I don't think Nurgle followers can reproduce considering their privates have probably either fallen off or otherwise lost their function. Not to mention Nurgle is the god of stagnation, and I'm pretty sure having children would go against that for obvious reasons.
For the universal booze party, I would like to note that excessive consumption of alcohol causes erectile dysfunction. Given enough booze, and Slaanesh is the deadest of the 4.
Random thought the tyranids come from outside the galaxy right the milky way. They had to adapt to chaos and even made a mini fleet to deal with chaos. So is chaos no a universal place just somehow a galaxy wide reflection.
how to beat chaos simple. Get a writer who hates chaos to go absolutely crazy Matt Ward style with no restraint, and let everyone else deal with the fallout.
@maltheri9833 he just needs someone to tag team with he and sly marbo could communicate just shouting and screaming and be perfectly understood by the other
4:42- Nagash’s method actually would hurt Nurgle THE MOST, because of how Shyish works: Nurgle needs the cycle of life to exist, and Shyish is sterility made manifest. Nurgle couldn’t sow new life in Shyish during Malign Portents, specifically because “Crumbling into nutrientless dust” is anathema to life.
@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 nurgle is the cycle of life pure and simple. New life blossoms, gets sick, spreads sickness, dies and from its corpse something new is made manifest and repeat ad infinitum
@@hoshi314 If Nagash has half a braincell left he should propably take one look at the dwarve literaly too angry to die even when the world ended and go: "gimme five minuts if I can find him in the used souls drawer."
@@Eagle93Writer i remember GW made an event where the heroes of AOS is put in an arena for a 1v1, Nagash got put in the same bracket as Gotrek Gurnisson! If Gotrek can beat Archaon on tabletop 1v1 nagash might get his skull caved in hard
@everythingsalright1121 wait, what if present day humans are all blanks while everyone else got some psychic connections from the 25th millenium onwards, during the age of strife?
@@tonytruong8491Blanks isn’t just a non-psychic, it’s someone who passively suppresses the warp around them. Non-psyker (or blunts) still feed the chaos Gods all the same.
One thing that I feel would have been fun to bring up is that: if a Daemon tries to posses someone and fails, that lucky person is immune to further possessions as well as the corruption of chaos entirely. In the game Inquisitor: Martyr, an Inquisitor organized possessions on-mass to try and create an army that was immune to chaos. Now this has a very low chance of success, and if it does fail then your soul is condemned to eternal torment. The game is about cleaning up his mess. It is a very cool Idea; if you survive a possession then Chaos cannot corrupt you.
another thing on the 'gods can die' point is that most of the Aeldari panthron, which were warp gods were killed by Slaanesh, so we have evidence that they can be killed by something strong enough.
Imperium, Orks and Eldar just need to get into playing Doom until the slayer manifests in the warp. They will know they succeeded when 8 string guitar noises echo throughout the galaxy
the problem is that they might not have been really 'killed' proper. in 40k we know for a fact they are basically in slaanesh's warp stomach (for lack of a better term), but still alive. its also worth noting that in AOS elven souls were retrieved from slaanesh's stomach after she was chained up, the elven souls weren't killed or destroyed, they were just being tortured and drained by slaanesh's essence after being consumed. this likely means that the elven pantheon is likely still alive in some way or another somewhere in slaanesh, its just that it might be a lot harder to take a god out of slaanesh's stomach compared to just some random elf.
@Nebulaeous1 Me: legs day hurt and imagine that it's gonna be for every day You: So I need a challenge Me: (Horrified of what gym creature lurks in our presence)
I mean, the whole "make the galaxy a better place to defang the chaos gods" is basically what the Tau are doing. Arguably, it's working, but the odds of the Tau growing large enough to cool the entire galaxy down before a Waaagh or Hive Fleet takes notice of them and either wipes them out or renders them as bad as everyone else are... not good.
Tau is already becoming as bad as everyone else. Tau aren't naive and good anymore. They hardened after having so many fuck ups with the inhabitants of the galaxy.
Also the tau generation of a new warp god who is kind occurs too. The greater good god literally helped a ship escape the warp... most demons want the ship to get sucked in.
Necrons are already in the process of creating more pylons, as evidenced by the Pariah Nexus. Unfortunately for all non-Necrons it has the slight side-effect of causing gradual soul-death as it turns out being cut off from the realm of souls and emotion tends to not be good for those _with_ souls. But hey, it give Necrons some shiny, new, uninhabited bodies to experiment with reversing biotransferrence.
Hear me out…we get a car battery, a glass orb, and enough Gamer-Supps to submerge the Emperor like a bacta tank, the rest will fall into place once we get the citadel paints
@@gs4011coat yourself in yellow citadel paint them simmer over medium heat until gold them simply chill as since gold is the best colour you will be untouchable
Patiently teach all orks about the chaos gods, then have them sit through a second PowerPoint explaining either that the first part was fake and the chaos gods don't exist OR that they're roight easy krumpins for gork n mork. Ork belief seems to have a much stronger effect on reality than emotions
Gork and Mork are so crazy overpowered that the "big four" dont ever want to get their attention. They're lucky the only proppa foit Gork and Mork will find is from each other
@@NongHuma Same as Pancreas, I firmly believe Gork and Mork are, in terms of raw power, completely unmatched by every single god in every single Warhammer setting. All they need is direction, and whatever they decide to krump will just die horribly.
Grimgor, Gotrek, and Sly Morbo all teaming up while listening to the doom soundtrack could end Chaos. Or ya know...have Chaos enslave Felix's soul and have Gotrek go ape shit in anger
Put everyone in the setting into hibernation - a dreamless sleep - for a while. No fighting, so that's Khorne out. No change, so Tzeentch is done. There would be some decay, so Nurgle could still be there, but he'd be far, far weaker. Arguably 'sleeping for a ridiculously long time' is sort of excessive so Slaanesh might get something out of it, but it wouldn't be much. Best of all, a sleeping person isn't dead, so Nagash gets nothing out of the deal.
@@griffionwyvrus9063 chaos gods feed off emotion, not the molecular state of a human. The necrons were frozen for millions of years, and even now their bodies represent stagnation, and Nurgle cant touch them. They dont fuel him at all. If you froze every human, it would be the exact same thing as what the necrons have. No interaction with Nurgle at all. But when you wake up, thats a different story Stagnation is what Nurgle represents and aims for, but it's not what he feeds off. All chaos gods feed directly from emotion.
*How to beat chaos:* *First step:* Put mighty Settra in charge. There is no step two, what were you expecting ? The howling jackals are no match for the Master of the Never-Ending Horizon !
@@thehtehteotheithe That's because the second Settra got the hint that Horus' bitch ass turned traitor, he'd personally pay him a visit and there would no longer be a Horus
@@thehtehteotheitheYes because Horace would have been sacrificed so the not Nile would flow. Alongside his 19 other brothers, I mean 20 other brothers
"Player of the Great Game" is more appropriate here. You know, the Great Game, this is what plans of the Chaos Gods are called. P. S. I second the notion that Settra is a better dad than Emps.
It's not a bad viewpoint, though. If you can hurt something, it's a reasonable extrapolation that if you hurt it enough, it will be for all intents and purposes dead. In the case of Chaos Gods, it's entirely possible that they would eventually come back, but the new form might be sufficiently different that the world/galaxy is still better off. Heck, it could even snowball. Imagine if someone took out Khorne, Khaine ended up soaking all of that violent energy instead, and used it to go challenge Slaanesh to a rematch.
@@specs.weedle Well, the phrase isn't exclusive. "If it bleeds, we can kill it" does not imply the opposite. Capacity to bleed might be only one of many possible signs that something can be killed.
'Ey! Wot's all dis "beat'n Chaos?!" If ya' krump all of 'em, den wot're da Boyz and myself gonna krump when we's tool'n trou' da' Warp?! Dat's some long stretchez of boredom!
Honestly in 40k Isha returning would be a massive blow against chaos and more specifically Nurgle and Slaanesh, Nurgle would be weakened because not only would the act of saving Isha probably fuck over his garden for awhile but now he doesn't have a test subject so his plagues won't all be quite up to standard even if its only 1 in 20 that are worse that's still massive, also the potential moral blow depending on how you view his affection towards Isha, and Slaanesh would be weakened because now the Eldar have one of their OG gods back that they actually like being around which would reduce the negative eldar emotions that Slaanesh loves, and she might be able to provide some resistance when an eldar dies and maybe save some souls from getting eaten.
there is a few reasons why this might not work. 1. isha may already be able to escape nurgles garden but chooses not to because the one thing keeping her from being instantly slaanesh vored in the warp is nurgle claiming her under his "protection". freedom means jack shit if the exit door leads right into slaanesh's gaping jaw, so for that reason alone it might not be feasible. 2. assuming she is able to avoid being immediately eaten by slaanesh, isha just isn't the earth shattering god that the galaxy needs to REALLY change up the status quo. yes isha is powerful, but she is a healer and fertility goddness. she would be able to allow the eldar to procreate faster and field better numbers, heal and/or revive from otherwise deadly wounds, and generally better standard of living for a lot of people in the galaxy, but she doesn't really have any way to reliable protect the eldar from slaanesh. she might be able to use her power to protect a few specific groups eldar here and there and revive them instantly instead of slaanesh consumption, but the eldar still wouldn't be able to use the true might of their pysker powers risk free like they did before slaanesh. isha would definitely shake things up and empower the eldar, but this would likely be offset by chaos and slaanesh especially devoting much more resources to slowing down the eldar. a major eldar god coming back is something 3/4 chaos gods aren't going to like. nurgle for obvious reasons will be pissed off losing his prize, slaanesh once again obvious reasons, and tzeetch would see that isha could shake up his endless schemes and devote demons and schemes to slowing the eldar down. theres also a possibility that certain necron dynasties might see an eldar goddess coming back as a big threat. remember isha was still apart of the war in heaven even if she wasn't at the front lines, so now you have the ancient enemies of the eldar all of a sudden with a decent reason to focus more on the eldar, if not certain dynasties outright crusading against the eldar to try to nip them in the bud before they has time to rebuild in any proper way. my main point is that while isha coming back would be big for the eldar, it wouldn't necessarily be the instant status quo upheaval that say asuryan coming back would.
@@sovietunion7643 Those are all very good points, and yeah the eldar would probably be targeted alot more. I still think that would be good for the eldar if for no other reason than the writers have to acknowledge they exist even if it's by talking about chaos diverting more forces or Slaanesh hunting her down.
@@whitewall2253 Nurgle THINKS it's entropy personified. Yet entropy existed before even the War in Heaven, so I'm going with granpapa is a big fat liar.
Before Games Workshop decided to kill Fantasy, there was another potential means hinted at, which is similar to the pylons thing. Basically, there was a mention that while there was a southern gate, it was pretty much contained since between the High Elves and the Lizardmen, there was a ring of functional Old One defences at the south that prevented Chaos from projecting power from that gate. This implies that, theoretically, a similar ring could be formed around the north gate (and might possibly have existed before the High Elf/Dark Elf split and the Dark Elves started corrupting magical sites in Naggaroth). The complication is that the southern ring is mostly protected by ocean which makes it hard for the demon-beastmen at the south pole to launch attacks, while to the north the Norscans are good seafarers and there's a land connection from the Chaos Wastes that mortal followers could attack from (let alone the activities of other destructive races such as the greenskins), so establishing and defending such ring certainly wouldn't be easy. But it might still be more practical than some of the other theoretical possibilities.
The Wunderwaffe DG-2/DG-3 JZ is the best Wonder Weapon and if you disagree you are wrong. Also, I known a decent number of people have requested I slow my words down since I have a habit of trying to get them out as quickly as I can, so this video I made a conscious effort to try and say sentences at a more reasonable pace. Please lemme know if it was noticeable and/or a better way of doing things.
it would be if it didnt remove my jugg in world at war also yes i also miss those days of 935 just doin weird shit with stuff they shouldnt have, those were the days
Now that I'm listening for it you did slow it down. It's an improvement, tho I swear I can hear the physical effort as the pace goes up and then slows 😅. Good job keep it up
My cousin and i who used to play Warhammer on Sundays when we were younger (i was Orcs in both Fantasy and 40k) recently took a look back on the End Times, and he said this: 'If GW really wanted to sell Age of Sigmar, they should have killed off the Chaos Gods and any other character who is in 40k.' When i asked him to elaborate, he said the following: 'Keep Chaos as a faction but end the Chaos Gods, have Nagash be the one who does it but Keep both keep the Horned Rat and The Everchosen (i can't spell his name) so that way you still have Daemons but now the thrones are empty and up for the grabs such as a certain Dark Elf who cant get over the First Phoenix King (i cant spell his name either).'
The chaos gods can't be killed because GW is inexplicably full of chaos stans who stan them at every opportunity. Leaving that aside, there's a fanfiction version of 40K (Brighthammer) where Big E was competent, therapy still existed and the primarchs were all more functional versions of themselves. It ended up with Horus nobly sacrificing himself to save reality, and the chaos gods being/becoming gods of order instead (Khorne as the god of noble warriors, Nurgle as the god of life, Tzeentch as the god of wisdom, Slaanesh as the god of art). The whole setting is intentionally noble-bright and focused on high adventure.
I've had a headcanon for a bit now that in 40K, prior to the Great Crusade, there were LOTS of gods that competed with Chaos. Every culture, human or xenos, that had their own religion (assuming it was a theistic one) created one or more gods that maintained a standing in the Warp. It's where the wolf spirits of Fenris come from: the Space Wolves and other Fenrisians are allowed to continue believing in them, so they keep existing. This, in turn, created a bulwark in the Warp against the forces of Chaos. Sure, as primordial beings, pure emotion is enough to sustain the Ruinous Powers, but they _still_ get a bigger power boost if worshiped directly. If other religions exist, the power given from any given person is likely split between that which Chaos gets and what they direct towards the gods they believe in. In essence, Chaos is only skimming power off the top. Hell, even most planets that were verifiably possessed of religions based squarely on masks for Chaos weren't really "Chaos planets". Lorgar's planet, or the planet from the _Legion_ novel, weren't corrupted hellholes until AFTER the status quo was knocked off its axis. People were worshiping masks of Chaos gods, but not really _as_ Chaos. Their religions, instead, were the moderated kind that comes from a civilization becoming calcified. They didn't need Chaos in its raw form, and so their society was stable. Not necessarily _just,_ but stable. One could argue the masks they worshiped had become gods with their own identities, responding to the mythology those cultures had built up over them. People adopt beliefs that benefit them, and in a settled society you don't need the excesses of Chaos unless something is already very wrong. (Unless you're the Eldar, who took 65 million years to murder-frick a Chaos god into existence). In short, the galaxy had many problems during the Age of Strife, but I'd argue Chaos wasn't one of them. Because there was a strong undercurrent of religiosity that innoculated the worlds and their people from Chaos corruption. It's why the Great Crusade wasn't fighting Chaos cults and daemons every step of the way. It was a concern so minor, the nascent Imperium didn't recognize Chaos for what it was, and other civilizations (like the Interex) had a lid on it. Then the Emperor decided to channel 100% of his Reddit Atheist powers, and waged war on faith itself. He thought doing that would cut Chaos off for good. No belief, no Chaos. In reality, all it did was burn every heaven, freeze every hell, and murder every god of every culture in the galaxy. You know, the ones, as established, who were _actually_ protecting people from Chaos. Suddenly, the Warp was depopulated of cosmic forces, leaving it wide open for conquest by Chaos. And because quadrillions of people were suddenly left disallowed or unable to worship their old gods, their whole worlds destroyed and their people enslaved by an Imperium that offered nothing but toil for the war effort, they were much more willing to accept any new belief system. In a time of great rage, despair, pain, and forlorn hope, the Chaos gods were strong, and advertising their services to people whose old gods had failed them. The reason the Imperium has held out so long against Chaos at this point is because, in the wake of the Emperor's martyrdom, everyone started worshiping him. He became the only game in town. His followers made sure of it. Not that this is too effective, really. Emperor-worship offers little to many citizens, aside from toil, hate, dehumanization, and death. For countless people, there's no solace in the state religion. Hence why, for every Imperial zealot, there's a hundred folk just scraping by, giving lip service to the Emperor to avoid being put to death. There's a reason both Chaos and the Genestealer Cults get constant converts to their cause. So maybe, just maybe, one step in reducing the effectiveness of Chaos would be to allow people to worship their own gods again. Ones who care about them and don't drive them towards mad excess or fanatical zeal. (Also, improving peoples' material conditions might help. You don't need Chaos if your needs are met and you can just chill.)
This is kinda true, more competition means innovation so Chaos gods will try to entice with other things to pose themself as very good but if the god you believe just wants to be respected,give tribute once in a while and doesnt outright murders you is way better than some skull armor
@bluecho4 That's actually a good theory and I can see the reason behind it and if that's what gw was going for from the start then I think of that as genius writing that in emperors hubris he created his greatest enemy. And even IRL I can agree with this, as religion itself in my view often has a stabilizing effect in a chaotic world like the one our ancestors lived in but as our world became less chaotic and more stable religion has been slowly at least in the western countries receded from public consciousness. And we are seeing a lot more societal problems Crop up as there is nothing to believe in except things like hedonism and bloodlust.
If the Warp works like it does in Fantasy and Age of Sigmar, this actually fits perfectly, since in Fantasy, the reason the Chaos Gods didn't make massive gains everywhere despite feeding on all emotions is because the Elven pantheon, the many different Human Gods, the Ancestor Gods, and even the Slann were all making a concerted effort to keep them at bay. In AoS, it's basically the same fight, just more visible. Emps unintentionally removing all limiters of the Gods he wanted to starve by removing their godly counters would be peak oopsies. Unfortunately, it also means GW would be admitting that the reason the galaxy is as bad as it is is basically solely on the Emperor's actions, and since the Imperium isn't allowed to be the true bad guys, they'll never let that happen in lore, despite it making sense. :c
honestly i just hope the spirit or whatever thing around fenris is just straight up ulric from fantasy. not some made up god that is similar just straight up ulric the wolf war god. it would honestly make sense because several of the other major gods in 40k are exactly the same as old fantasy. the chaos gods, the eldar/elven gods, both exactly the same in both settings, belakor and most other named demons exists in both as well. it would Honestly be nice if the warp undercurrents created the same god with ulric as well, and leman russ has known this fact the whole time and openly worshipped ulric but didn't let the emperor know for obvious reasons. this would honestly explain why the space wolves have such a strange obsession with wolves because they literally have a wolven god influencing their culture and mindset. also might explain why they are so violent and focus on war and war alone compared to other legions because ulric is a god of war as well.
Changing the worship as in "we give our blood sweat and tears for Khorn, as we do our daily work." Khorn the Honest Worker God, revered by farmers as they grow corn for Khorn :D
khorne would honestly work best as a gymbro type god where getting better physically and pushing yourself to do better in workouts and training empower him. khorne already embodies "only the strong survive" side of nature, worship khorne as a sort of meritocratic god of strength and physical ability that rewards hard work and dedication and you basically turn a negative god into an pretty positive one.
My headcanon/idea for what Archaon should have been rather than just like "kill the world and give gayhoas what they want" is that he should have essentially purposefully been trying to act as an evolutionary exctinction event, where he would be trying to have his hearts of iron warriors hunt down anything alive that shows emotion/psychic potential. Essentially trying to force all of life to evolve into blanks since the only things that would end up surviving is if living things adapt to not have the emotions/souls that empower chaos
Archaon isnt this complex. how would it function since based of his entire lore is to beat everyone to submission whilse also being a character whos easily influenced by someone else. Sigmar himself statet to him his failoure was himself, and no one else.
@@dendrienI thought Archaon was mostly angry about gods in general, and thought that Chaos was the best route to power to be able to end the reign of all gods in the setting.
Another method I think could defeat Chaos in Warhammer 40K is giving people the blank gene. If you disconnect people from the warp, then there is no way for Chaos to feed on others, and it will get weaker and possibly die. This would probably require the Eldar and the Orcks to die and the Emperor not to be a tyrant wanting to control people, which is why I believe the desire to control is the reason he didn't make his sons and all space marines blanks, but I do think it may be the best solution that does not involve killing everyone outside the ones doomed to die anyway, not sorry Eldar (though there is a chance they could live) or Orck that constantly run towards gun nests. And if they could introduce or activate the gene using a virus, then people's cooperation is not required; you just need to be fast enough to do so before they can stop you before it explodes out of control.
I always had the idea of a nurgle follower that could only ever see the beauty in his god, not in a twisted way but the genuine one. Nurgle would love this follower so much that he would practicaly be gaslightet into becoming this ideal version of himself just to meet the standards of the one follower who can only see the good parts in him.
Finally, someone who consideres chaos gods to just be "gods", and nowhere near as immortal as they say they are. Even if their death is just dissolution of their personification that's a huge W for any universe.
im pretty sure theyve never bin stated as immortal. there also younger than civiliation of man. if anything man created the chaois gods in 40k aside from slaanesh. if you can create something, than you can destroy it to. Its Warhammer, the setting itself wont allow any faction or outcome be in a lead, if so it woudnt be Warhammer
@@dendriennah, Slaanesh is the youngest and was technically made by itself. Like, one of its demons played a part in making itself. They’re old as hell. Depending on what you read, they’re just old or incredibly ancient beyond reason.
nah, this is assuming they're gods like the old Greek gods level of power. In Fantasy, perhaps that's true, but not in 40k. I love PancreasNoWork and I love Eldar, but I cannot deny my inner Chaos. They cannot be "beaten" fullstop. The universe would have to reach heat death first. I blame the human-centric narrative, older Xenos would have fed the Chaos Gods for far, FAR longer than humanity ever has. Yet its the CSM vs Imperium narratives that get the most highlights.
On that note about using necron pylons to shut off chaos. While yes it would be one of the best solutions to shut off chaos from realspace, it comes with the tiny itsy bitsy small problem of driving every human and eldar insane since they are all connected to the warp in some way, and shutting that off has shown to have some pretty bad side effects for anyone unfortunate enough to be in its area of affect.
18:11 As much as he never wanted it, Big E is probably already becoming a god. Descriptions of the throne range from uncontrolled, uncontained raw power to a mind fragmented so far it acts as a hive mind, and MANY humans worship the emperor, die for the emperor, sacrifice themselves directly to the emperor or his will... If he ever stands again, there's A pretty high chance it will be as a god, whether he wants it or not. And he's already wounded Nurgle, even through possessing a primarch. I'd say he could kill one if in person.
Also gotta suggest the Ctan. They eat souls. The Chaos gods are made out of soul juice, like everything in the warp. Thus the ctan can eat daemons and slowly decrease the size of the big four as all the daemons are made out of small bits of each of gheir patron god. Eat Ka Banda and i bet Khorne gets weaker. Same with all the other gods.
And the C'tan can't even be killed, so theoretically just by the necrons and C'tan existing long enough they'll eventually consume every soul in the galaxy, starving and killing the chaos gods. Truly, the necrons are the rulers of the galaxy
From what I recall, the C'tan didn't eat souls themselves, but some sort of sapience energy that is definitely not souls, while the souls of their victims end up spilling out into the Warp and feeding whatever predators are waiting for them there. It's possible that was retconned, though.
The closest thing to this actually occurring was the Kaldor Draigo incident, and Chaos just kinda regenerated back to normal once he and his plot armour had left the area
@@CarbonMage same thing happens whenever gork and mork happen to punch one another into a realm of chaos during their endless brawls. once they leave chaos just kind of fixes itself because its the warp.
I adore how the solution to fortify every chaos gate or incursion with massive fortresses and armies is basically the Warhammer equivalent of "use a gun, and if that don't work,.USE MORE GUN"
@@christiandauz3742 definitely haven’t, not really interested in the heresy. I’m just a salty old fantasy player who saw GW collectively give the player base the bird and say “screw your results, our favorite faction wins and the world ends.” I for one hate it when companies actively alienate their customers, like when TTS had to suspend their production for fear of GW potentially getting their panties in a twist and suing them for copyright infringement on what is clearly parody. So nope, not a troll, just a dwarf holding onto a grudge like Thorgrim
@@alucard1751 Chaos has limitless numbers, unrivaled power and no need logistics They literally have time on their side Krakanrok would have killed Aenarion
@@christiandauz3742 I understand that. It doesn’t invalidate the point that chaos is favored by GW to the point that they actively retcon major defeats of chaos like the 13th black crusade. A faction can have reasons for being overpowered, but that doesn’t invalidate critique of poor narrative/writing. I find the chaos gods and their subjects to be fascinating lore wise, but as far as their narrative in universe, they do suffer from some just plain bad writing. Every faction does, that’s why the eldar trilogy got canned before it was finished, but they seem to get the benefit of being the favorite faction from a narrative standpoint in terms of how GW handles them. At the end of the day, I don’t really care how GW handles the writing, as I get to choose what books I read. I care on table top when the narrative affects a faction disproportionately and makes them unbalanced and not fun to play against. At the end of the day it’s a war game, there isn’t any fun to it if your entire army and strategy is invalidated because your opponent choose to pull out the glue sniffers of Khorne or whatever flavor of chaos is GWs favoritethis quarter cause they need to boost sales. But now I’m starting to repeat points made by more articulate people than I, so enough said, let’s go buy overpriced plastic models and complain about it cause it’s what we do
Chaos is the dark reflection of human nature. (Think of how lust is a corruption of love.) The only way to "defeat" Chaos is for man to repent of his sin and to become virtuous. For that to happen on a universal scale is obviously impossible. However, killing the "gods" of Chaos should be feasible as the next best thing.
slaanesh is a corruption of love and emotion khorne is a corruption of meritocracy, honor and justice nurgle is a corruption of nature and peace tzeetch is a corruption of knowledge, change and hope
17:47 I did this once for shits and giggles, actually. Created a chaos god on paper that wasnt inherently evil and that actively sought to reset the Warp to its natural state as more of a sea of nascent dreams than an ocean of howling nightmares. If people are interested I'll post everything I have for them, otherwise I'll hold off on dropping a text wall nobody asked for lol
When you get to it, play CE in original graphics, the "remastered" version is just them slapping different textures on top of the exact same thing so stuff can get a bit janky
When you get to CE, play 343 Guilty Spark and The Library on Heroic or Legendary with the Famine skull turned on. You’ll get why Pancreas hyped the Flood up after that, the mission Cortana in Halo 3 is also really damn tense with those settings.
You mentioning trapping Khorne reminds me of how Frieza was kept in hell in a cocoon surrounded by sunshine, flower fields, and living happy plush animals.
@ it was in Super. Goku went to hell to recruit Frieza for the tournament of power. The stuff I mentioned is what he was tortured by. Frieza hates sunshine, rainbows, cuteness, and kindness.
@@dank_smirk2ndchannel200 Oh my bad, didn't watch Super. What a silly idea, I would imagine his hell would be constantly reliving his fight with Goku after he turned super saiyan, getting pummeled forever - but maybe getting physically tortured would be too edgy of a concept for Dragon Ball, especially super
the best lore i have eve heard off is how once upon a time gork and mork were travelling through the warp and came upon two demons arguing in a cave. Gork and Mork made a bet over who could beat one of them the quickest. both beat the demons so quickly and so hard that they were begging them to stop. satisfied with the win and arguing over who won the bet, gork and mork went along their way fighting eachother as they went... the two demons they beat into near pulp were khorne and nurgle....
The Mass Sacrifice scenario actually has precedent in 40k. Big E's origin story involves a ritualistic mass suicide of thousands of psykers across ancient Terra, which while not PUBLIC knowledge, is something certain factions have also accounted for. There's a contingency plan for if Terra falls (I think among the Grey Knights?) that involves all of their psykers following suit to empower Kalador Draigo as the same tier of lifeform, and founding a secondary Imperium. It would then make sense that, if you pile up enough psykers, you can get a sizable WARBAND of supreme beings/gods to march into the warp and wreck shop.
Plus the maw is a powerful god whose presence is only on the world and not in the chaos realms so the maw prevents the ogres from falling to chaos. (Until nurgle corrupts some ogres through infestation)
You can't kill daemons or so rarely that it makes no difference, but you can trap them Pokémon style. The Grey Knights do that with "borrowed" Necron vaults. Gotta catch'em all...
@@TheCityofTownsville, the Emperor's Sword is a singular artifact. How long before the denizens of the Warp recognize it for the threat it represents and flee before the one who carries it? Papa Smurf can't be everywhere at all times.
@@fast1nakus, it would be easier to mass produce Grey Knights or Custodes. The Emperor made the sword himself, and he's rather indisposed at the moment. Who knows what ultra-rare materials or rituals went into it's crafting?
To be fair the Chaos Gods don't actually seem to care that much about other gods cropping up. Vashtorr is a great example of this, as is T'au'va, the entity the humans in the T'au empire created through their belief in the greater good.
All I'm gonna say about the "you can't look at a Great Unclean One or a Keeper of Secrets and not be a little perturbed" is... well... You're wrong on one account there lol. Keeper of Secrets has the opposite effect for me. They've got this weird elegance and beauty to them, and I just love it. Great Unclean one though? Absolutely correct, they're terrifying and repulsive. Someone please send the Grey Knights. ...And the Custodes too. Quickly.
Simple, unleash the Order Tide. Watch the oh so unbeatable Chaos Lords mald and seethe as the Mortals make Doomstacks that stack wipe their armies. Spoiler Edit: So what PancreasNoWork is basically saying for his final idea is that the Dwarves are at fault for not sharing Bugmans Ale, I bet that would get Dead guys drunk.
@@dustinnabil798 good point, but I kinda wanna get tossed into an unimaginable void that not even Tzeentch knew what was in, Harlequins just seem like depressed theatre nerds, Cego's cool tho, fuck the Drukhari
i like tzeetch because he's the only chaos god that kinda lets his followers on a pretty loose leash. you have a lot of wiggle room to do your own thing with tzeetch, as obviously tzeetch being the god of change. hell you can even try to stop other tzeetch followers plans with your own schemes and tzeetch doesn't care. hell if you do a cool enough scheme tzeetch might empower you further.
you forgot the one that truly worked: invent American Football and make everyone play it instead of war. It worked so well that Nuffle is the most powerful god and that the other Four had to suck it up and make their own cult teams to get something out of it.
my interpretation of the chaos gods is that what makes them dangerous isn’t their power but their willingness to use it considering how massive the warp is i don’t doubt theirs likely many, more powerful beings within it but they simply don’t have the drive or will to do anything to the ants running around outside
Alright I have a simple proposal to neutralize every god. step 1: allow the orks to win step 2: Gork and Mork are the only gods left step 3: Da Orks get ta fightin' echothderz AN DA WAAAAGH NEVER ENDS!
You know a Great clean one is just as scarry as a great unclean one.. Sort of like how a monster called the Emboweler would be arguably more scary then one called the Disemboweler.
How to turn 40k and fantasy into noblebright? Open a warp rift into the Culture Universe and pluck The titular Culture inform them about the situation and sic them on 40k. The galaxy will become a paradies in a few millenia.
3:16 - Idea #1: Kill off everyone in the setting 5:14 - Idea #2: Either a setting-wide Necron biotransference or turning everyone in the fantasy settings into undead 6:28 - Idea #3a: Kill the Chaos Gods, probably through supporting other gods 9:17 - Idea #3b: Defeat the physical servants and mortal followers of the Chaos Gods to impair their intervention in the physical world(s) and weaken them so other gods can truly kill off the Chaos Gods 9:55 - Idea #4: Trap the Chaos Gods 11:08 - Idea #5a: Cut off Chaos from realspace, such as using Necron Pylons, properly teaching _all_ psykers how to resist Chaos corruption, reducing use of Warp travel as much as possible or capitalizing on the Tyranids' Shadow in the Warp in 40K 13:24 - Idea #5b: Fortify any entryways by Chaos into realspace to the point where it's virtually impossible for them to break through and wreak havoc, as seen with Cadia in 40K and Prague in Kislev in Fantasy and numerous Realmgates in AoS 16:26 - Idea #6: Fundamentally change the Chaos Gods to be less awful by worshipping them in different, benevolent ways along with preventing as much violence and hostility between different factions as much as possible 18:25 - Idea #7: Have an existing god usurp Chaos 19:05 - Idea #8: A mass sacrifice, where the souls of all the followers of non-Chaos gods sacrifice their lives and give their spirits to their patron deities to empower them to kill the Chaos Gods 21:39 - Idea #9: Get everyone everywhere constantly black-out drunk to cause Chaos to lose all of its power
Regarding killing chaos gods, they are basically just big Daemons (more accurately daemons are water drops or cells with them being a storm or body) so they can’t be killed any more than other daemons. This is why the warp is seen as inevitable. Daemons can be created but not killed so it just grows.
...Isn't there a snippet in lore that says if you learn a daemon's true name and call them on it, you basically become their master forever? Tell Khorne to chill the fuck out Tell Slaanesh to take a break Tell Tzeentch to go meditate on some ayahuaska or something, just stop overthinking everything Tell Nurgle to stop smothering Isha and let her out of the garden every one in a while (I'd say let her go, but that... isn't an option)
I still hold that directing one's emotions as a form of worship for another god is an effective way to starve Chaos. Yes, I believe that "Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the Golden Throne" actually works.
That thing about kinda changing the Chaos Gods nature by worshipping them in reasonable ways would be pretty funny actually. Honorable tug-of-wars for the honorable tug-of-war god, slightly bloody hands for the slightly bloody hands throne
@@ivanivanovitchivanovsky7123 Okay, sweet! I wasn't 100% sure. But if trillions is not even the entirety of their military, the implications of that are huge. North Korea only has 5% of its population in the military. Napoleonic France only had 7%. Prussia "the army with a state" sat at 3%. If uncountable trillions could fit in a range of 3-7% of the Imperium's total population... one shudders to consider the implication.
A universe devoid of life. That's how you defeat Chaos. Chaos is the echo of sentient life, influencing the veil behind metaphysics. It will always exist so long as sentience exists.
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Simple. Just give gotrick a rage spell and a gravity hammer
I don't think Nurgle followers can reproduce considering their privates have probably either fallen off or otherwise lost their function. Not to mention Nurgle is the god of stagnation, and I'm pretty sure having children would go against that for obvious reasons.
For the universal booze party, I would like to note that excessive consumption of alcohol causes erectile dysfunction. Given enough booze, and Slaanesh is the deadest of the 4.
Random thought the tyranids come from outside the galaxy right the milky way. They had to adapt to chaos and even made a mini fleet to deal with chaos. So is chaos no a universal place just somehow a galaxy wide reflection.
how to beat chaos simple.
Get a writer who hates chaos to go absolutely crazy Matt Ward style with no restraint, and let everyone else deal with the fallout.
MY SPIRITUAL LIGEGE MENTIONED
@@dolphinerofachero3159Saint Matt Wardhammer is my waifu
Matt Ward is so fucking based, I love him. Ultramarines and Grey Knights are literally the best and i dont care who wont hear it
@@Dunmerdog nah, dark angels win
The realest answer
"The Chaos gods can't be killed!"
Big E: "Not with that attitude."
Doomguy: *Loads shotgun with malicious intent*
@@alejandroelluxray5298
"Of all the wickedness mankind can produce, we will send unto them only. you."
"Rip and tear, until it is *_done_* "
@@alejandroelluxray5298Doomguy & The Big E would be an absolute powerhouse.
How to beat nurgle - wash your hands
Living is merely one aspect of nurgle.
Nurgle thrives in gas station bathrooms, the amount of MFs I see not washing their hands…Papa Nurgle would be proud.
And take showers
How to worship slanesh and beat nurgle use a condom
How to beat Slaanesh - triple locked chastity belt
How to beat chaos:
Step 1: Be an adequate father
Emperor: 😬 uhh is there like, an alternative to that step.
@@SeanCrosser Malcador: "I told you to have some daughters as well, you asshat..."
@@SeanCrosser alternatively become a giant evil black ball aka new chaos god
Alternate way to beat Chaos: Let player battles decide. Chaos will lose so hard, GW will ignore the results.
Found a fascist!
Either throw Sly Marbo into the Eye of Terror or make GW go bankrupt.
Sly Marbo, Tyberos, Asterion Moloch, Malum Cadeo, Kaldor Draigo, every single Catachan Jungle Fighter etc etc
Put let me solo her in there
Sly Marbo and Kaldor Draigo meet up, go "fuck it, one struggle", and beat Chaos to death.
@maltheri9833 he just needs someone to tag team with
he and sly marbo could communicate just shouting and screaming and be perfectly understood by the other
If GW bankrupted and had to end teir games, I bet Chaos would win XD
That's what they did in Warhammer Fantasy ^^
4:42- Nagash’s method actually would hurt Nurgle THE MOST, because of how Shyish works: Nurgle needs the cycle of life to exist, and Shyish is sterility made manifest. Nurgle couldn’t sow new life in Shyish during Malign Portents, specifically because “Crumbling into nutrientless dust” is anathema to life.
Thing is nurgle is also the god of stagnancy soo at the same time it would empower him
@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 Where do you get that from? Stagnancy seems rather far from decay.
@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 he is a cycle of life
@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593 nurgle is the cycle of life pure and simple.
New life blossoms, gets sick, spreads sickness, dies and from its corpse something new is made manifest and repeat ad infinitum
@@travis9841Nurgle is almost always referred to as the god of stagnation. It’s one of the main reasons he hates tzeentch, the god of change.
The answer is always gotrek.
But he's busy looking for Felix...
@@BrigtzenHe gave up looking for Felix at the end of ghoulslayer accepting that he’s dead and gone.
Iirc he is looking for Nagash because i think while felix is physically gone but the soul might be with Nagash
@@hoshi314 If Nagash has half a braincell left he should propably take one look at the dwarve literaly too angry to die even when the world ended and go: "gimme five minuts if I can find him in the used souls drawer."
@@Eagle93Writer i remember GW made an event where the heroes of AOS is put in an arena for a 1v1, Nagash got put in the same bracket as Gotrek Gurnisson! If Gotrek can beat Archaon on tabletop 1v1 nagash might get his skull caved in hard
Forgot one, genetically engineer every human to be a blank or pariah.
That would look...interesting since blanks make the other normal people around them go nuts but if everyone was...?
Step two: purge the rest of the xenos
I think if we goad fabius bile into doing it he will
@everythingsalright1121 wait, what if present day humans are all blanks while everyone else got some psychic connections from the 25th millenium onwards, during the age of strife?
@@tonytruong8491Blanks isn’t just a non-psychic, it’s someone who passively suppresses the warp around them.
Non-psyker (or blunts) still feed the chaos Gods all the same.
"Blood for the blood drive, donations for the charity stream" - Good guy Khorne
One thing that I feel would have been fun to bring up is that: if a Daemon tries to posses someone and fails, that lucky person is immune to further possessions as well as the corruption of chaos entirely. In the game Inquisitor: Martyr, an Inquisitor organized possessions on-mass to try and create an army that was immune to chaos. Now this has a very low chance of success, and if it does fail then your soul is condemned to eternal torment. The game is about cleaning up his mess. It is a very cool Idea; if you survive a possession then Chaos cannot corrupt you.
another thing on the 'gods can die' point is that most of the Aeldari panthron, which were warp gods were killed by Slaanesh, so we have evidence that they can be killed by something strong enough.
Slaanesh is repeatedly stated to be able to be killed too. At its birth it was even wounded by an Eldar weapon.
Imperium, Orks and Eldar just need to get into playing Doom until the slayer manifests in the warp.
They will know they succeeded when 8 string guitar noises echo throughout the galaxy
the problem is that they might not have been really 'killed' proper. in 40k we know for a fact they are basically in slaanesh's warp stomach (for lack of a better term), but still alive. its also worth noting that in AOS elven souls were retrieved from slaanesh's stomach after she was chained up, the elven souls weren't killed or destroyed, they were just being tortured and drained by slaanesh's essence after being consumed. this likely means that the elven pantheon is likely still alive in some way or another somewhere in slaanesh, its just that it might be a lot harder to take a god out of slaanesh's stomach compared to just some random elf.
2 months ago: Which Chaos God Should you Worship?
Now: How to Beat Chaos.
PANCREAS REDEMPTION ARC.
But chaos fun
Better to know your enemies to destroy them harder
@@everythingsalright1121nah chaos is mean
Slaanesh = NTR
Nurgle= Congestion (I wanna breathe)
Tzeench= Homework
Khorne= Leg Day Every Day
@@angelvital6466don’t make me want to worship khorne
@Nebulaeous1
Me: legs day hurt and imagine that it's gonna be for every day
You: So I need a challenge
Me: (Horrified of what gym creature lurks in our presence)
I mean, the whole "make the galaxy a better place to defang the chaos gods" is basically what the Tau are doing. Arguably, it's working, but the odds of the Tau growing large enough to cool the entire galaxy down before a Waaagh or Hive Fleet takes notice of them and either wipes them out or renders them as bad as everyone else are... not good.
Tau is already becoming as bad as everyone else. Tau aren't naive and good anymore. They hardened after having so many fuck ups with the inhabitants of the galaxy.
Also the tau generation of a new warp god who is kind occurs too. The greater good god literally helped a ship escape the warp... most demons want the ship to get sucked in.
Necrons are already in the process of creating more pylons, as evidenced by the Pariah Nexus. Unfortunately for all non-Necrons it has the slight side-effect of causing gradual soul-death as it turns out being cut off from the realm of souls and emotion tends to not be good for those _with_ souls. But hey, it give Necrons some shiny, new, uninhabited bodies to experiment with reversing biotransferrence.
Use the Tau.
They will resist it longer, and I am sure the Necron's will feel at home...
Also considering Vashtorr is currently in the Pariah Nexus, anti-chaos really isn't all it's cracked up to be.
I dont see the problem.
Too bad it will fail just as the last time back during the War in Heaven
I doubt it works like that, you can’t completely shut off the warp only dampen it or the Nids would have caused everyone to die once they rocked up.
With karl Franz
And bloody Sigmar!
You mean "alongside Karl Franz" or "grab Karl Franz and hammer Chaos into submission by swinging him around like a baseball bat"?
@@lMarcusl Swing Karl Franz like a hammer. While he also swings his hammer.
A foolish samurai wielding a magic sword wielding a foolish sword wielding an unspeakable coconut wielding a....
Hear me out…we get a car battery, a glass orb, and enough Gamer-Supps to submerge the Emperor like a bacta tank, the rest will fall into place once we get the citadel paints
Chugging nuln oil grants resistance to chaos taint.
@@gs4011coat yourself in yellow citadel paint them simmer over medium heat until gold them simply chill as since gold is the best colour you will be untouchable
Oh not not the gamer supps
Wait are we using the drink powder or the instant noodle broth?
(Yes that's a thing now)
@@everythingsalright1121 all of it
@@Darthmechas should we buy him a new gaming chair too?
Patiently teach all orks about the chaos gods, then have them sit through a second PowerPoint explaining either that the first part was fake and the chaos gods don't exist OR that they're roight easy krumpins for gork n mork.
Ork belief seems to have a much stronger effect on reality than emotions
What if teaching orks anout the chaos gods only makes them stronger D:
Gork and Mork are so crazy overpowered that the "big four" dont ever want to get their attention. They're lucky the only proppa foit Gork and Mork will find is from each other
Or, you could somehow convince Gork and Mork that the chaos gods 'tink dey is da best and dat Gork and Mork are crumps.'
@@chriswarr641given how dumb orks are I feel like convincing their own gods that the chaos gods need a good Krumpin’ wouldn’t be too hard
@@NongHuma Same as Pancreas, I firmly believe Gork and Mork are, in terms of raw power, completely unmatched by every single god in every single Warhammer setting. All they need is direction, and whatever they decide to krump will just die horribly.
Grimgor, Gotrek, and Sly Morbo all teaming up while listening to the doom soundtrack could end Chaos. Or ya know...have Chaos enslave Felix's soul and have Gotrek go ape shit in anger
Have Caine in the back cheering them on and they could beat Nagash
Paint them blue as well and have matt ward write the story then the could solo the multiverse
Ring up Gazkull and Tuska along with their boyz, get some over on Korne and get that blue luck going.
You forgot to include The Lizardmen on the anti-chaos alliance
Put Oxyotl in the team too
Cardio.
Cardio Beats Chaos.
The Word of Toddy
This is fatphobic
@@hulking_presenceGood
@@hulking_presencecan you tell me how many die due to weight-related issues? we'll wait
@@hulking_presence thank you! I'll remind my next crazed murderer that it would be unfair to use his full speed to catch me
Put everyone in the setting into hibernation - a dreamless sleep - for a while. No fighting, so that's Khorne out. No change, so Tzeentch is done. There would be some decay, so Nurgle could still be there, but he'd be far, far weaker. Arguably 'sleeping for a ridiculously long time' is sort of excessive so Slaanesh might get something out of it, but it wouldn't be much. Best of all, a sleeping person isn't dead, so Nagash gets nothing out of the deal.
This won't work, the polar opposite of change of change is stagnation, Nurgle feeds on stagnation. This only makes Nurgle stronger.
@@griffionwyvrus9063 I mean I think it would be a pretty drastic change when everyone wakes up so it might cause some shit between tzeentch and nurgle
@@griffionwyvrus9063 chaos gods feed off emotion, not the molecular state of a human. The necrons were frozen for millions of years, and even now their bodies represent stagnation, and Nurgle cant touch them. They dont fuel him at all. If you froze every human, it would be the exact same thing as what the necrons have. No interaction with Nurgle at all. But when you wake up, thats a different story
Stagnation is what Nurgle represents and aims for, but it's not what he feeds off. All chaos gods feed directly from emotion.
*How to beat chaos:*
*First step:* Put mighty Settra in charge.
There is no step two, what were you expecting ? The howling jackals are no match for the Master of the Never-Ending Horizon !
Emps
@@thehtehteotheithe That's because the second Settra got the hint that Horus' bitch ass turned traitor, he'd personally pay him a visit and there would no longer be a Horus
@@thehtehteotheitheYes because Horace would have been sacrificed so the not Nile would flow. Alongside his 19 other brothers, I mean 20 other brothers
Also, I don't really see Lionel Johnson becoming a priest
"Player of the Great Game" is more appropriate here. You know, the Great Game, this is what plans of the Chaos Gods are called.
P. S. I second the notion that Settra is a better dad than Emps.
I like how you applied predator logic when it comes to killing chaos, if it bleeds then we can kill it
It's not a bad viewpoint, though. If you can hurt something, it's a reasonable extrapolation that if you hurt it enough, it will be for all intents and purposes dead. In the case of Chaos Gods, it's entirely possible that they would eventually come back, but the new form might be sufficiently different that the world/galaxy is still better off. Heck, it could even snowball. Imagine if someone took out Khorne, Khaine ended up soaking all of that violent energy instead, and used it to go challenge Slaanesh to a rematch.
I disagree. Limiting yourself to just killing things that can bleed is pretty dumb. Non-bleeding things that need to be killed exist.
@@specs.weedle Well, the phrase isn't exclusive. "If it bleeds, we can kill it" does not imply the opposite. Capacity to bleed might be only one of many possible signs that something can be killed.
How to beat chaos? Easy. STOMP 'EM FLAT!
WAAAGH!!!
*ork uses foot of dork *
'Ey! Wot's all dis "beat'n Chaos?!" If ya' krump all of 'em, den wot're da Boyz and myself gonna krump when we's tool'n trou' da' Warp?! Dat's some long stretchez of boredom!
Who are you so wise in the ways of science?
@@b3ntl33 YOO ZOGGIN GIT, YAH GOT MORE DEN 2 BOYZ ON YAH WAY THRUU DA WARP? DEN FIGHT EACH OTHER!
Honestly in 40k Isha returning would be a massive blow against chaos and more specifically Nurgle and Slaanesh, Nurgle would be weakened because not only would the act of saving Isha probably fuck over his garden for awhile but now he doesn't have a test subject so his plagues won't all be quite up to standard even if its only 1 in 20 that are worse that's still massive, also the potential moral blow depending on how you view his affection towards Isha, and Slaanesh would be weakened because now the Eldar have one of their OG gods back that they actually like being around which would reduce the negative eldar emotions that Slaanesh loves, and she might be able to provide some resistance when an eldar dies and maybe save some souls from getting eaten.
there is a few reasons why this might not work.
1. isha may already be able to escape nurgles garden but chooses not to because the one thing keeping her from being instantly slaanesh vored in the warp is nurgle claiming her under his "protection". freedom means jack shit if the exit door leads right into slaanesh's gaping jaw, so for that reason alone it might not be feasible.
2. assuming she is able to avoid being immediately eaten by slaanesh, isha just isn't the earth shattering god that the galaxy needs to REALLY change up the status quo. yes isha is powerful, but she is a healer and fertility goddness. she would be able to allow the eldar to procreate faster and field better numbers, heal and/or revive from otherwise deadly wounds, and generally better standard of living for a lot of people in the galaxy, but she doesn't really have any way to reliable protect the eldar from slaanesh. she might be able to use her power to protect a few specific groups eldar here and there and revive them instantly instead of slaanesh consumption, but the eldar still wouldn't be able to use the true might of their pysker powers risk free like they did before slaanesh. isha would definitely shake things up and empower the eldar, but this would likely be offset by chaos and slaanesh especially devoting much more resources to slowing down the eldar. a major eldar god coming back is something 3/4 chaos gods aren't going to like. nurgle for obvious reasons will be pissed off losing his prize, slaanesh once again obvious reasons, and tzeetch would see that isha could shake up his endless schemes and devote demons and schemes to slowing the eldar down. theres also a possibility that certain necron dynasties might see an eldar goddess coming back as a big threat. remember isha was still apart of the war in heaven even if she wasn't at the front lines, so now you have the ancient enemies of the eldar all of a sudden with a decent reason to focus more on the eldar, if not certain dynasties outright crusading against the eldar to try to nip them in the bud before they has time to rebuild in any proper way.
my main point is that while isha coming back would be big for the eldar, it wouldn't necessarily be the instant status quo upheaval that say asuryan coming back would.
@@sovietunion7643 Those are all very good points, and yeah the eldar would probably be targeted alot more. I still think that would be good for the eldar if for no other reason than the writers have to acknowledge they exist even if it's by talking about chaos diverting more forces or Slaanesh hunting her down.
"The end times or the 40k equivalent are not innevitable."
The greater daemon of nurgle fated to be there at the death of the imperium:...
Fate is not guaranteed in 40k. The Biggest Guy in the setting is explicitly immune to Fate
The galaxy is billions of years old, the imperium is 10k years old, the imperium dying does not destroy the galaxy
It's not even the death of the imperium, its the heat death of the universe, he's entropy personified.
The Imperium dying might honestly be a good thing for 40K’s continuation.
@@whitewall2253 Nurgle THINKS it's entropy personified. Yet entropy existed before even the War in Heaven, so I'm going with granpapa is a big fat liar.
Before Games Workshop decided to kill Fantasy, there was another potential means hinted at, which is similar to the pylons thing. Basically, there was a mention that while there was a southern gate, it was pretty much contained since between the High Elves and the Lizardmen, there was a ring of functional Old One defences at the south that prevented Chaos from projecting power from that gate. This implies that, theoretically, a similar ring could be formed around the north gate (and might possibly have existed before the High Elf/Dark Elf split and the Dark Elves started corrupting magical sites in Naggaroth). The complication is that the southern ring is mostly protected by ocean which makes it hard for the demon-beastmen at the south pole to launch attacks, while to the north the Norscans are good seafarers and there's a land connection from the Chaos Wastes that mortal followers could attack from (let alone the activities of other destructive races such as the greenskins), so establishing and defending such ring certainly wouldn't be easy. But it might still be more practical than some of the other theoretical possibilities.
The Wunderwaffe DG-2/DG-3 JZ is the best Wonder Weapon and if you disagree you are wrong.
Also, I known a decent number of people have requested I slow my words down since I have a habit of trying to get them out as quickly as I can, so this video I made a conscious effort to try and say sentences at a more reasonable pace. Please lemme know if it was noticeable and/or a better way of doing things.
You are so real for this but origins is the best map I am sorry
it would be if it didnt remove my jugg in world at war
also yes i also miss those days of 935 just doin weird shit with stuff they shouldnt have, those were the days
Didnt seem noticeable to me but i had no problem understanding your pace before
Now that I'm listening for it you did slow it down. It's an improvement, tho I swear I can hear the physical effort as the pace goes up and then slows 😅. Good job keep it up
It is noticable, and personally I appreciate it. While I can still understand you at your faster pace, this makes things a bit easier for me .
My cousin and i who used to play Warhammer on Sundays when we were younger (i was Orcs in both Fantasy and 40k) recently took a look back on the End Times, and he said this:
'If GW really wanted to sell Age of Sigmar, they should have killed off the Chaos Gods and any other character who is in 40k.'
When i asked him to elaborate, he said the following:
'Keep Chaos as a faction but end the Chaos Gods, have Nagash be the one who does it but Keep both keep the Horned Rat and The Everchosen (i can't spell his name) so that way you still have Daemons but now the thrones are empty and up for the grabs such as a certain Dark Elf who cant get over the First Phoenix King (i cant spell his name either).'
Reading that made my feel like my soul passed a kidney stone
THAT'S SO FUCKING GOOD WHYYYYYYYY
The chaos gods can't be killed because GW is inexplicably full of chaos stans who stan them at every opportunity.
Leaving that aside, there's a fanfiction version of 40K (Brighthammer) where Big E was competent, therapy still existed and the primarchs were all more functional versions of themselves. It ended up with Horus nobly sacrificing himself to save reality, and the chaos gods being/becoming gods of order instead (Khorne as the god of noble warriors, Nurgle as the god of life, Tzeentch as the god of wisdom, Slaanesh as the god of art). The whole setting is intentionally noble-bright and focused on high adventure.
Best solution:
Tell Gotrek that the Chaos Gods have Felix’s soul.
TRUE
... and tell Grimgor that the Chaos Gods think theyre DA BEST?
I now can't stop imaging those two in elevator .
*Nagash discovers the Halo array*
"Well these things are effing great!"
I've had a headcanon for a bit now that in 40K, prior to the Great Crusade, there were LOTS of gods that competed with Chaos. Every culture, human or xenos, that had their own religion (assuming it was a theistic one) created one or more gods that maintained a standing in the Warp. It's where the wolf spirits of Fenris come from: the Space Wolves and other Fenrisians are allowed to continue believing in them, so they keep existing.
This, in turn, created a bulwark in the Warp against the forces of Chaos. Sure, as primordial beings, pure emotion is enough to sustain the Ruinous Powers, but they _still_ get a bigger power boost if worshiped directly. If other religions exist, the power given from any given person is likely split between that which Chaos gets and what they direct towards the gods they believe in. In essence, Chaos is only skimming power off the top.
Hell, even most planets that were verifiably possessed of religions based squarely on masks for Chaos weren't really "Chaos planets". Lorgar's planet, or the planet from the _Legion_ novel, weren't corrupted hellholes until AFTER the status quo was knocked off its axis. People were worshiping masks of Chaos gods, but not really _as_ Chaos. Their religions, instead, were the moderated kind that comes from a civilization becoming calcified. They didn't need Chaos in its raw form, and so their society was stable. Not necessarily _just,_ but stable. One could argue the masks they worshiped had become gods with their own identities, responding to the mythology those cultures had built up over them. People adopt beliefs that benefit them, and in a settled society you don't need the excesses of Chaos unless something is already very wrong. (Unless you're the Eldar, who took 65 million years to murder-frick a Chaos god into existence).
In short, the galaxy had many problems during the Age of Strife, but I'd argue Chaos wasn't one of them. Because there was a strong undercurrent of religiosity that innoculated the worlds and their people from Chaos corruption. It's why the Great Crusade wasn't fighting Chaos cults and daemons every step of the way. It was a concern so minor, the nascent Imperium didn't recognize Chaos for what it was, and other civilizations (like the Interex) had a lid on it.
Then the Emperor decided to channel 100% of his Reddit Atheist powers, and waged war on faith itself.
He thought doing that would cut Chaos off for good. No belief, no Chaos. In reality, all it did was burn every heaven, freeze every hell, and murder every god of every culture in the galaxy. You know, the ones, as established, who were _actually_ protecting people from Chaos. Suddenly, the Warp was depopulated of cosmic forces, leaving it wide open for conquest by Chaos.
And because quadrillions of people were suddenly left disallowed or unable to worship their old gods, their whole worlds destroyed and their people enslaved by an Imperium that offered nothing but toil for the war effort, they were much more willing to accept any new belief system. In a time of great rage, despair, pain, and forlorn hope, the Chaos gods were strong, and advertising their services to people whose old gods had failed them.
The reason the Imperium has held out so long against Chaos at this point is because, in the wake of the Emperor's martyrdom, everyone started worshiping him. He became the only game in town. His followers made sure of it. Not that this is too effective, really. Emperor-worship offers little to many citizens, aside from toil, hate, dehumanization, and death. For countless people, there's no solace in the state religion. Hence why, for every Imperial zealot, there's a hundred folk just scraping by, giving lip service to the Emperor to avoid being put to death. There's a reason both Chaos and the Genestealer Cults get constant converts to their cause.
So maybe, just maybe, one step in reducing the effectiveness of Chaos would be to allow people to worship their own gods again. Ones who care about them and don't drive them towards mad excess or fanatical zeal. (Also, improving peoples' material conditions might help. You don't need Chaos if your needs are met and you can just chill.)
This is kinda true, more competition means innovation so Chaos gods will try to entice with other things to pose themself as very good but if the god you believe just wants to be respected,give tribute once in a while and doesnt outright murders you is way better than some skull armor
The Imperium once again proves a completely self-defeating institution.
@bluecho4 That's actually a good theory and I can see the reason behind it and if that's what gw was going for from the start then I think of that as genius writing that in emperors hubris he created his greatest enemy. And even IRL I can agree with this, as religion itself in my view often has a stabilizing effect in a chaotic world like the one our ancestors lived in but as our world became less chaotic and more stable religion has been slowly at least in the western countries receded from public consciousness. And we are seeing a lot more societal problems Crop up as there is nothing to believe in except things like hedonism and bloodlust.
If the Warp works like it does in Fantasy and Age of Sigmar, this actually fits perfectly, since in Fantasy, the reason the Chaos Gods didn't make massive gains everywhere despite feeding on all emotions is because the Elven pantheon, the many different Human Gods, the Ancestor Gods, and even the Slann were all making a concerted effort to keep them at bay. In AoS, it's basically the same fight, just more visible.
Emps unintentionally removing all limiters of the Gods he wanted to starve by removing their godly counters would be peak oopsies. Unfortunately, it also means GW would be admitting that the reason the galaxy is as bad as it is is basically solely on the Emperor's actions, and since the Imperium isn't allowed to be the true bad guys, they'll never let that happen in lore, despite it making sense. :c
honestly i just hope the spirit or whatever thing around fenris is just straight up ulric from fantasy. not some made up god that is similar just straight up ulric the wolf war god. it would honestly make sense because several of the other major gods in 40k are exactly the same as old fantasy. the chaos gods, the eldar/elven gods, both exactly the same in both settings, belakor and most other named demons exists in both as well. it would Honestly be nice if the warp undercurrents created the same god with ulric as well, and leman russ has known this fact the whole time and openly worshipped ulric but didn't let the emperor know for obvious reasons. this would honestly explain why the space wolves have such a strange obsession with wolves because they literally have a wolven god influencing their culture and mindset. also might explain why they are so violent and focus on war and war alone compared to other legions because ulric is a god of war as well.
Changing the worship as in "we give our blood sweat and tears for Khorn, as we do our daily work." Khorn the Honest Worker God, revered by farmers as they grow corn for Khorn :D
It aint much but corn for the Khorn god-Believer of Khorn of the corn
The best flakes are the KHORNE Flakes!!
CORN FOR THE CORN THRONE
Commie Khorn sounds like something out of Red Scare
khorne would honestly work best as a gymbro type god where getting better physically and pushing yourself to do better in workouts and training empower him. khorne already embodies "only the strong survive" side of nature, worship khorne as a sort of meritocratic god of strength and physical ability that rewards hard work and dedication and you basically turn a negative god into an pretty positive one.
My headcanon/idea for what Archaon should have been rather than just like "kill the world and give gayhoas what they want" is that he should have essentially purposefully been trying to act as an evolutionary exctinction event, where he would be trying to have his hearts of iron warriors hunt down anything alive that shows emotion/psychic potential. Essentially trying to force all of life to evolve into blanks since the only things that would end up surviving is if living things adapt to not have the emotions/souls that empower chaos
Archaon isnt this complex. how would it function since based of his entire lore is to beat everyone to submission whilse also being a character whos easily influenced by someone else. Sigmar himself statet to him his failoure was himself, and no one else.
@@dendrienI thought Archaon was mostly angry about gods in general, and thought that Chaos was the best route to power to be able to end the reign of all gods in the setting.
so basically kill everyone but the dwarves.
Another method I think could defeat Chaos in Warhammer 40K is giving people the blank gene.
If you disconnect people from the warp, then there is no way for Chaos to feed on others, and it will get weaker and possibly die. This would probably require the Eldar and the Orcks to die and the Emperor not to be a tyrant wanting to control people, which is why I believe the desire to control is the reason he didn't make his sons and all space marines blanks, but I do think it may be the best solution that does not involve killing everyone outside the ones doomed to die anyway, not sorry Eldar (though there is a chance they could live) or Orck that constantly run towards gun nests. And if they could introduce or activate the gene using a virus, then people's cooperation is not required; you just need to be fast enough to do so before they can stop you before it explodes out of control.
I always had the idea of a nurgle follower that could only ever see the beauty in his god, not in a twisted way but the genuine one. Nurgle would love this follower so much that he would practicaly be gaslightet into becoming this ideal version of himself just to meet the standards of the one follower who can only see the good parts in him.
Huh... interesting
4:12 a fan to the groin...truly a fate worse then death
Use Sports
The god of Bloodbowl keeps the gods in check, also would fall in libe with the chill out and black out party ideas
Finally, someone who consideres chaos gods to just be "gods", and nowhere near as immortal as they say they are. Even if their death is just dissolution of their personification that's a huge W for any universe.
im pretty sure theyve never bin stated as immortal. there also younger than civiliation of man. if anything man created the chaois gods in 40k aside from slaanesh. if you can create something, than you can destroy it to. Its Warhammer, the setting itself wont allow any faction or outcome be in a lead, if so it woudnt be Warhammer
@@dendriennah, Slaanesh is the youngest and was technically made by itself. Like, one of its demons played a part in making itself. They’re old as hell. Depending on what you read, they’re just old or incredibly ancient beyond reason.
sure whatever you tell yourself@@ivanivanovitchivanovsky7123
nah, this is assuming they're gods like the old Greek gods level of power.
In Fantasy, perhaps that's true, but not in 40k. I love PancreasNoWork and I love Eldar, but I cannot deny my inner Chaos. They cannot be "beaten" fullstop. The universe would have to reach heat death first.
I blame the human-centric narrative, older Xenos would have fed the Chaos Gods for far, FAR longer than humanity ever has. Yet its the CSM vs Imperium narratives that get the most highlights.
@@dendrienumm not really humanity never made the chaos gods they existed long before earth even had a moon
On that note about using necron pylons to shut off chaos. While yes it would be one of the best solutions to shut off chaos from realspace, it comes with the tiny itsy bitsy small problem of driving every human and eldar insane since they are all connected to the warp in some way, and shutting that off has shown to have some pretty bad side effects for anyone unfortunate enough to be in its area of affect.
Except blanks, of course
@@anna-flora999 except them, yeah. They'd probably just be confused as to why everyone is screaming and clawing their eyes out.
@@Knowie117 jurgen just sitting there eating cookies while cain is screaming
18:11 As much as he never wanted it, Big E is probably already becoming a god. Descriptions of the throne range from uncontrolled, uncontained raw power to a mind fragmented so far it acts as a hive mind, and MANY humans worship the emperor, die for the emperor, sacrifice themselves directly to the emperor or his will... If he ever stands again, there's A pretty high chance it will be as a god, whether he wants it or not. And he's already wounded Nurgle, even through possessing a primarch. I'd say he could kill one if in person.
I am struck by an image of Nagash singing “I’ve…had…the time of your life…” and I blame you, @PancreasNoWork.
You know its going to be a good day when Pancreas No Work has a full 20 minute video.
Also gotta suggest the Ctan. They eat souls. The Chaos gods are made out of soul juice, like everything in the warp. Thus the ctan can eat daemons and slowly decrease the size of the big four as all the daemons are made out of small bits of each of gheir patron god. Eat Ka Banda and i bet Khorne gets weaker. Same with all the other gods.
And the C'tan can't even be killed, so theoretically just by the necrons and C'tan existing long enough they'll eventually consume every soul in the galaxy, starving and killing the chaos gods. Truly, the necrons are the rulers of the galaxy
From what I recall, the C'tan didn't eat souls themselves, but some sort of sapience energy that is definitely not souls, while the souls of their victims end up spilling out into the Warp and feeding whatever predators are waiting for them there. It's possible that was retconned, though.
@@Draxynnic this is all news to me. And I've read every codex and all the necron fluff books. You got a link or know where you read this?
They are vulnerable to psykers so the Big E would crush.
@@bee5440 Well, one of the C'tan was actually killed, not inprisoned. But only one though.
The rimworld music fits surprisingly well 👌
I'm fond of the: let the Tyranids eat everything idea...
Chuck a named Space Marine at them, his plot armor bs will make short work of them.
The closest thing to this actually occurring was the Kaldor Draigo incident, and Chaos just kinda regenerated back to normal once he and his plot armour had left the area
@@CarbonMage same thing happens whenever gork and mork happen to punch one another into a realm of chaos during their endless brawls. once they leave chaos just kind of fixes itself because its the warp.
I adore how the solution to fortify every chaos gate or incursion with massive fortresses and armies is basically the Warhammer equivalent of "use a gun, and if that don't work,.USE MORE GUN"
Have a supportive father figure, easy
Easier said than done in the 40k universe
*Konor Guilliman has entered the chat*
Big E gonna need new balls after all these father comments hit lol
11:25 fun fact, this is something Cawl is actively working on in Genefather, he was assembling a team before getting jumped by Bile
13:00
I just wanted to say that I really like the unexpected Stellaris art. That cinematic is great. :)
How to beat chaos: better writers at GW that aren’t constantly stroking them off.
Uh... you haven't read the Heresy novels, troll
@@christiandauz3742 definitely haven’t, not really interested in the heresy. I’m just a salty old fantasy player who saw GW collectively give the player base the bird and say “screw your results, our favorite faction wins and the world ends.” I for one hate it when companies actively alienate their customers, like when TTS had to suspend their production for fear of GW potentially getting their panties in a twist and suing them for copyright infringement on what is clearly parody. So nope, not a troll, just a dwarf holding onto a grudge like Thorgrim
@@alucard1751
Chaos has limitless numbers, unrivaled power and no need logistics
They literally have time on their side
Krakanrok would have killed Aenarion
@@christiandauz3742 I understand that. It doesn’t invalidate the point that chaos is favored by GW to the point that they actively retcon major defeats of chaos like the 13th black crusade. A faction can have reasons for being overpowered, but that doesn’t invalidate critique of poor narrative/writing. I find the chaos gods and their subjects to be fascinating lore wise, but as far as their narrative in universe, they do suffer from some just plain bad writing. Every faction does, that’s why the eldar trilogy got canned before it was finished, but they seem to get the benefit of being the favorite faction from a narrative standpoint in terms of how GW handles them. At the end of the day, I don’t really care how GW handles the writing, as I get to choose what books I read. I care on table top when the narrative affects a faction disproportionately and makes them unbalanced and not fun to play against. At the end of the day it’s a war game, there isn’t any fun to it if your entire army and strategy is invalidated because your opponent choose to pull out the glue sniffers of Khorne or whatever flavor of chaos is GWs favoritethis quarter cause they need to boost sales. But now I’m starting to repeat points made by more articulate people than I, so enough said, let’s go buy overpriced plastic models and complain about it cause it’s what we do
@christiandauz3742 this is the stupidest comment how the hell is he a troll?
Chaos is the dark reflection of human nature. (Think of how lust is a corruption of love.) The only way to "defeat" Chaos is for man to repent of his sin and to become virtuous. For that to happen on a universal scale is obviously impossible. However, killing the "gods" of Chaos should be feasible as the next best thing.
slaanesh is a corruption of love and emotion
khorne is a corruption of meritocracy, honor and justice
nurgle is a corruption of nature and peace
tzeetch is a corruption of knowledge, change and hope
17:47 I did this once for shits and giggles, actually. Created a chaos god on paper that wasnt inherently evil and that actively sought to reset the Warp to its natural state as more of a sea of nascent dreams than an ocean of howling nightmares. If people are interested I'll post everything I have for them, otherwise I'll hold off on dropping a text wall nobody asked for lol
naw man honestly if you still have the text file for this i'd love to read it
I think the best ending would be to just feed literally everybody to the Horned Rat and then seeing what happens
Make everyone take a hit-toke of the Great Horned Boof yes-yes!
Have a love of hearing war crime simulator *coughs* Rimworld *coughs* music in the background of these.
I'm glad you mentioned the peaceful happy times to defeat chaos. "In the far future there is only sunshine and rainbows"
21:40 "In the grim drunkenness of the far future there is only beer."
because of you I just got the MCC and am playing Reach now (it is very fun)
When you get to it, play CE in original graphics, the "remastered" version is just them slapping different textures on top of the exact same thing so stuff can get a bit janky
When you get to CE, play 343 Guilty Spark and The Library on Heroic or Legendary with the Famine skull turned on. You’ll get why Pancreas hyped the Flood up after that, the mission Cortana in Halo 3 is also really damn tense with those settings.
@@Slender_Man_186can you fucking not
@@specs.weedle what, i’m telling him how to make Flood missions as fun as possible.
Step 1: Let every living creature turn into a Skavencreature
Step 2: All living things worship the Great Horned Rat
Step 3: Profit-Succeed 💸💸💸💸
23:28 I have a very particular kind of love for how "instant Chaos deletion, just add Doomguy" shows up on this channel. 😂
Pancreas: The chaos end times aren't inevitable.
GW: And I took that personally.
You mentioning trapping Khorne reminds me of how Frieza was kept in hell in a cocoon surrounded by sunshine, flower fields, and living happy plush animals.
What? That didn't happen or am I going crazy
@ it was in Super. Goku went to hell to recruit Frieza for the tournament of power. The stuff I mentioned is what he was tortured by. Frieza hates sunshine, rainbows, cuteness, and kindness.
@@dank_smirk2ndchannel200 Oh my bad, didn't watch Super. What a silly idea, I would imagine his hell would be constantly reliving his fight with Goku after he turned super saiyan, getting pummeled forever - but maybe getting physically tortured would be too edgy of a concept for Dragon Ball, especially super
the best lore i have eve heard off is how once upon a time gork and mork were travelling through the warp and came upon two demons arguing in a cave. Gork and Mork made a bet over who could beat one of them the quickest. both beat the demons so quickly and so hard that they were begging them to stop. satisfied with the win and arguing over who won the bet, gork and mork went along their way fighting eachother as they went... the two demons they beat into near pulp were khorne and nurgle....
"Cbaos Gods feed off sentient emotions"
*Powers up Halo rings*
The Mass Sacrifice scenario actually has precedent in 40k. Big E's origin story involves a ritualistic mass suicide of thousands of psykers across ancient Terra, which while not PUBLIC knowledge, is something certain factions have also accounted for. There's a contingency plan for if Terra falls (I think among the Grey Knights?) that involves all of their psykers following suit to empower Kalador Draigo as the same tier of lifeform, and founding a secondary Imperium. It would then make sense that, if you pile up enough psykers, you can get a sizable WARBAND of supreme beings/gods to march into the warp and wreck shop.
Fantasy ogres are immune to chaos because they’re always drunk, new headcanon acquired
Plus the maw is a powerful god whose presence is only on the world and not in the chaos realms so the maw prevents the ogres from falling to chaos. (Until nurgle corrupts some ogres through infestation)
@@victory8928 Nah, its the power of beer.
You can't kill daemons or so rarely that it makes no difference, but you can trap them Pokémon style. The Grey Knights do that with "borrowed" Necron vaults. Gotta catch'em all...
Yes you can. He even literally says how. The Emperor's Sword in 40k causes True Death to daemons.
@@TheCityofTownsville, the Emperor's Sword is a singular artifact. How long before the denizens of the Warp recognize it for the threat it represents and flee before the one who carries it? Papa Smurf can't be everywhere at all times.
@@enoughothiswhat's the big deal with making more of them?
@@fast1nakus, it would be easier to mass produce Grey Knights or Custodes. The Emperor made the sword himself, and he's rather indisposed at the moment. Who knows what ultra-rare materials or rituals went into it's crafting?
Why not combine the two ideas? First capture daemons, and then bring them to where the Emperor's sword is located to kill them for good
Chaos slander video? You got my attention!
To be fair the Chaos Gods don't actually seem to care that much about other gods cropping up. Vashtorr is a great example of this, as is T'au'va, the entity the humans in the T'au empire created through their belief in the greater good.
I find it hard to believe there isn't a chaos god of bureaucracy. That's truly terrifying
All I'm gonna say about the "you can't look at a Great Unclean One or a Keeper of Secrets and not be a little perturbed" is... well...
You're wrong on one account there lol. Keeper of Secrets has the opposite effect for me. They've got this weird elegance and beauty to them, and I just love it.
Great Unclean one though? Absolutely correct, they're terrifying and repulsive. Someone please send the Grey Knights. ...And the Custodes too. Quickly.
You're right; Guilliman would be proud. Good work.
Simple, unleash the Order Tide. Watch the oh so unbeatable Chaos Lords mald and seethe as the Mortals make Doomstacks that stack wipe their armies.
Spoiler Edit: So what PancreasNoWork is basically saying for his final idea is that the Dwarves are at fault for not sharing Bugmans Ale, I bet that would get Dead guys drunk.
9:14 gork and mork after deciding to team up with big e against slaneesh for gits and giggles
It’s simple! Fix bayonets!
Shovels
Moar Daka!
Nice to see Cayden Cailean show up for the "let's all get wasted" part
I'd sell my soul to Tzeentch for the laughs, dudes a silly lad
I think he’d definitely appreciate the reason for the sell lmao
Have you considered Cegorach instead?
Yugioh
@@dustinnabil798 good point, but I kinda wanna get tossed into an unimaginable void that not even Tzeentch knew what was in, Harlequins just seem like depressed theatre nerds, Cego's cool tho, fuck the Drukhari
i like tzeetch because he's the only chaos god that kinda lets his followers on a pretty loose leash. you have a lot of wiggle room to do your own thing with tzeetch, as obviously tzeetch being the god of change. hell you can even try to stop other tzeetch followers plans with your own schemes and tzeetch doesn't care. hell if you do a cool enough scheme tzeetch might empower you further.
24:10 yeah… me too buddy, me too
you forgot the one that truly worked: invent American Football and make everyone play it instead of war. It worked so well that Nuffle is the most powerful god and that the other Four had to suck it up and make their own cult teams to get something out of it.
my interpretation of the chaos gods is that what makes them dangerous isn’t their power but their willingness to use it considering how massive the warp is i don’t doubt theirs likely many, more powerful beings within it but they simply don’t have the drive or will to do anything to the ants running around outside
Alright I have a simple proposal to neutralize every god.
step 1: allow the orks to win
step 2: Gork and Mork are the only gods left
step 3: Da Orks get ta fightin' echothderz AN DA WAAAAGH NEVER ENDS!
You know a Great clean one is just as scarry as a great unclean one.. Sort of like how a monster called the Emboweler would be arguably more scary then one called the Disemboweler.
...elaborate
@@hypermaeonyx4969have you ever been stuffed with spare bowels? Thought so
But Warhammer have own Doomguy.... its called Gotrek Gurnisson.
How to turn 40k and fantasy into noblebright? Open a warp rift into the Culture Universe and pluck The titular Culture inform them about the situation and sic them on 40k.
The galaxy will become a paradies in a few millenia.
Based on how Guilliman turned out, I'd say good parenting is the ultimate counter to chaos.
3:16 - Idea #1: Kill off everyone in the setting
5:14 - Idea #2: Either a setting-wide Necron biotransference or turning everyone in the fantasy settings into undead
6:28 - Idea #3a: Kill the Chaos Gods, probably through supporting other gods
9:17 - Idea #3b: Defeat the physical servants and mortal followers of the Chaos Gods to impair their intervention in the physical world(s) and weaken them so other gods can truly kill off the Chaos Gods
9:55 - Idea #4: Trap the Chaos Gods
11:08 - Idea #5a: Cut off Chaos from realspace, such as using Necron Pylons, properly teaching _all_ psykers how to resist Chaos corruption, reducing use of Warp travel as much as possible or capitalizing on the Tyranids' Shadow in the Warp in 40K
13:24 - Idea #5b: Fortify any entryways by Chaos into realspace to the point where it's virtually impossible for them to break through and wreak havoc, as seen with Cadia in 40K and Prague in Kislev in Fantasy and numerous Realmgates in AoS
16:26 - Idea #6: Fundamentally change the Chaos Gods to be less awful by worshipping them in different, benevolent ways along with preventing as much violence and hostility between different factions as much as possible
18:25 - Idea #7: Have an existing god usurp Chaos
19:05 - Idea #8: A mass sacrifice, where the souls of all the followers of non-Chaos gods sacrifice their lives and give their spirits to their patron deities to empower them to kill the Chaos Gods
21:39 - Idea #9: Get everyone everywhere constantly black-out drunk to cause Chaos to lose all of its power
Regarding killing chaos gods, they are basically just big Daemons (more accurately daemons are water drops or cells with them being a storm or body) so they can’t be killed any more than other daemons. This is why the warp is seen as inevitable. Daemons can be created but not killed so it just grows.
Daemons are split from the main body of the Chaos God. True death for daemons results in death by a thousand cuts for the 4.
...Isn't there a snippet in lore that says if you learn a daemon's true name and call them on it, you basically become their master forever?
Tell Khorne to chill the fuck out
Tell Slaanesh to take a break
Tell Tzeentch to go meditate on some ayahuaska or something, just stop overthinking everything
Tell Nurgle to stop smothering Isha and let her out of the garden every one in a while (I'd say let her go, but that... isn't an option)
Liked just for the Rimworld Soundtrack playing in the background
“What if Doom Guy was in the War Hammer universe “
I still hold that directing one's emotions as a form of worship for another god is an effective way to starve Chaos.
Yes, I believe that "Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the Golden Throne" actually works.
Your "booze everyone" method would only birth the Chaos God of Teetotalers.
That thing about kinda changing the Chaos Gods nature by worshipping them in reasonable ways would be pretty funny actually.
Honorable tug-of-wars for the honorable tug-of-war god, slightly bloody hands for the slightly bloody hands throne
How to beat Chaos:
You don't. GW will plot armour Chaos through anything.
Allow the Skaven all those material entry points and let the vermintide fight the darktide for all eternity.
Asuryan tried to play Fear and Hunger and failed the coin flip. He should’ve guarded smh.
Then he got a permanent debuff for the rest of his playthrough that occasionally makes him bleed.
@@bluntlyhonest6803 that or broken ribs :p
@@enitsu-142 The other one is funnier. Imagine asuryan farting blood for the rest of his days.
Maybe adding human worshippers to the remaining Eldar gods would be a good idea.
Maybe but the amount would need to be significant. The avarage eldar soul burns brighter than the avarage human by probably a large amount
@@matijasostojic4288Humanity numbers in the billions, if not trillions. If even 0.1% of that converted, that's still a few million/ billion souls.
@@gryphonbotha1880 Yea but again. The amount needed to make a god of any significance would need to be Pretty big.
@@gryphonbotha1880the trillions is not even the entirety of their military, let alone population.
@@ivanivanovitchivanovsky7123 Okay, sweet!
I wasn't 100% sure. But if trillions is not even the entirety of their military, the implications of that are huge.
North Korea only has 5% of its population in the military. Napoleonic France only had 7%. Prussia "the army with a state" sat at 3%.
If uncountable trillions could fit in a range of 3-7% of the Imperium's total population... one shudders to consider the implication.
Chaos can be defeated. Such is the power of Nagash
A universe devoid of life. That's how you defeat Chaos.
Chaos is the echo of sentient life, influencing the veil behind metaphysics. It will always exist so long as sentience exists.
So you’re saying let the Tyranids win?