I got one as soon as I viewed this video. I have an Ibanez az with floating bridge. Super easy to install , now I can do drop D when I need to. The micro adjustment (getting it perfect) took me longer than the actual install.
Was looking for the tremorry or tremol-no, and always afraid to loose some of the flutter we have on a good floating trem (like Vega trem super V1) This one is defenetly the absolutely best solution I have seen ! Thanks you for sharing !
I haven't tried the Tremol-no but the Tremmory destroys the feel of the trem for me. And it hasn't always been effective often forcing a retune when I lock it. A better option for me has been the Guitar Nutbuster. It's kind of a floating locking system that goes behind a regular nut. It has made tuning a lot more stable for me than the Tremmory but it's not cheap. It does preserve the feel of the trem and guitar though.
Not really compatible with the five springs of the Tremolo, but since I use all five springs, I don't think that I have the same problems with my floating Trem that y'all are having. Looks pretty solid if you need it. 👍
Why there are so few options for the type of stabilyzers like Tremorry/AEX and Hipshot, which allow playing double stops/bends properly and avoiding trembling during hard attacks, and still have the possibility to move the tremolo up at the same time, not only down like this one?
Yeah I get that, my strat also has the trem flush on the body. But there's something really cool about a floating trem, that's why I have the Harley. Cheers //Kris
The new Studio and Production looks soooo good. There should be a new Logo too =P The Guitar Guard Hardtailer looks exactly like what i need, i'll look foward to buy one ;-)
Thanks so much! We love it in the new studio, all the formats on the channel look better than ever. And it's a dream to have enough space to create whatever we feel like. Thanks for watching our stuff! //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses I instantly saw that. Love it! Kris your channel and this here and Guillaume taught me so much, that i'm a much better player and take care of my guitars and customise them finally. :D Someday i'll come around to T-City... it's the holy lands. Greets from Solingen ;-)
The only thing I have found to be more stable than a piece of wood was a piece of metal. Tried 1/2/5 eurocent coins too but those were very loose. Made the guitar sound thicc though!
@@Domn879 It works but I have to send it out to a metal shop. I made a few prototypes with a 3D printer but they break after so long, it needs to be made out of steel.
@@joeyskar what makes you say the tremmory is better than this? As far as I can tell the only advantage to the tremmory is that you maintain stabilization when pitching whammy up, whereas you have to deactivate the hardtailer to pitch up. But you lose flutters and whammy feel in exchange for the stabilization when pitching up, so its a questionable tradeoff. Please share your thoughts as I am torn between the two and this is just my armchair analysis. Cheers
the $4 bolt lock is the cheapest option some people call in The "Dime Bag Barell" after Dime Bag Darrell from Pantara. for anyone trying to save some dollar papers look up the $4 tremolo lock and you will see what im talking about.
That's seems like an ingenius little gadget. A bit more advanced than Clapton's little block of wood. lol but question how can they call it a hardtailer if you can still use the trem downward?
That's a really good question. 😆 Well, I guess if you remove the trem arm and put the Hardtailer in the "dive-only-mode" it's technically hard tailed. Haha! No way you can move the bridge around like that. And if you tune the strings down (or break one) it's still gonna be stable and in tune. 😅 Cheers bud //Kris
I cut a little piece of wood that just fits and I cram it in there… hardtail. But I only trem on my double locking guitars. I gotta have my flutters!!!
only thing i want to know that how long is the blocking part of the system? my schecter has some wood removed in the cavity so im not able to put thing really close to the tremolo block.
Hi. It seams it is doing a great job but I wonder if there is enough space in there to add also a Tremelo stabilizer (like a Goldo back box)? Would be perfect if the screws were in front and back (not on the sides). Would occupy less space! Do you think the Hardtailer fit together with Goldo Back Box, in a cavity with 3 springs?
A reviews on Thomann did say that there is noise from this and other drawbacks. If this is true, then it defeats the purpose of this thing and it's much more affordable just to use a permanent, dove-only trem stopper for $20 or less... But you just have one mode. "Installation was easy as the tutorial videos, and the component really look and feel as good quality. Overall i liked and would recommend, but i just wanted to share some remarks, as i felt the videos and comments were a bit misleading to me at least (floyd rose guitar). - at least for me, this is not an easy switch that enables full floating or dive only bridge for example during a gig for one song, it just makes it easier to go from a decked to floating bridge guitar. The reason is the hardtailer needs to have some pressure against the bridge block when activated, otherwise there are vibration noises, in my setup ~1/4 to 1/2 step difference is required (activated vs not activated hardtailer), therefore as i chose to be decked in my guitar, if i deactivate the hardtailer, it will result in the guitar at least 1/4 step sharp when floating (and not in good tune) One can say, you just need to re-tune it them (in floating that can take a bit and also consider the impact of step difference on floyd rose bridge setup)… and it is right, but this is not mentioned by the marketing material and i had not understood this was the case (although pretty obvious after installation). Still, much better than not having the component… On the pro-side, it is stable, so i kept my microtuning on e string tight, and can therefore go to D tune only on with the e-string micro tuning of the floyd rose."
I've been looking for a long time for something like this to install in a EBMM JP12 so I can tune down to drop D and go back to a full floating with a nice flutter in between songs. Only a question: Does it fit between two Springs in a 3 springs setup? Cause I use to have a spring in the center and the other two in the sides, and i would rather prefer to install in in between the center and one of the sides instead of moving the center spring to one if the sides. Thx!
Hi. Floyd Rose do a similar device called a Trem-Endus. It looks great. Any chance of Thomann stocking these as I can't find anyone in Europe the does?
Hey, awesome video and product. I wanna ask when you are bending the string do the others stay in tune? I'm already guessing the answer, but never actually used it that's why Im asking.
@@ilyasrayan4791not unless you *always* have it in five only mode, loosening the claw or adjusting the contact point for extra pressure... But then, as soon as you pull the switch to go to floating you'll be out of tune.
I changed my strings on my guitar with hard trailer locked on the GG model. Now I’m getting fret buzz when I bent a string higher up on the neck. Is that a neck or trem issue?
Why does everyone stubbornly persist in the misnomer tremelo bar/bridge? It's just wrong. Tremelo refers to a change in amplitude. The correct term for what's happening is vibrato, a change in pitch. What is the advantage in wilfully misusing established vocabulary?
I don't see ant cons. It does exactly what you need it to do. If you need instructions with something this simple you should probably not be working on your own guitar anyways.
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses thanks! The wood in the tremolo cavity isn't in the same height, so I'm not sure that the hardtailer can be installed on my guitar. Can I send a picture of the back cavity to ensure that this fits?
I not really sure about that. May be if you block the trem to dive only mode you should be able to tight up the springs more in a way it's get harder to the block to lift up when you bend. That's the principle behind other stoppers like the Göldo Back Box. The difference is that the GBX has it's own spring so you can still move the arm in both directions. May be the GBX's spring makes a difference with that.... I have the GBX installed in a couple of guitars with Floyd Rose and they work perfect for bendings and specially with double stop bendings when it's usually more noticeable.
If you need the "Tremolo Stopper", so your should not buy a guitar that have Tremolo in the first place. It is this device confusing enough for you? Just like they put a mic in front of another speaker so you can get the sound out of other speaker. The whole thing it's nothing to do with musical, it's just marketing for the lazy consumer🙂
It's not that people don't want to use their tremolo, it's that they don't want to use it all of the time, or can't because certain applications require, say, a detuned string that will alter the tuning of all of the strings if the tremolo is floating. You shouldn't dismiss a product or style of playing that you don't fully understand. ;)
If you call me lazy, because I want to only bring my favorite guitar to the gig that allows for both retuning to Drop D AND playing a floating bridge instead of bringing a second guitar to do one of those jobs, than I'm proudly lazy. You can also call it efficient or genius if you want 😂
I got one as soon as I viewed this video. I have an Ibanez az with floating bridge. Super easy to install , now I can do drop D when I need to. The micro adjustment (getting it perfect) took me longer than the actual install.
I love how every video ends with encouragement to do the install myself! And, this advice from a Guitar shop and dealer?! Good for you!
Was looking for the tremorry or tremol-no, and always afraid to loose some of the flutter we have on a good floating trem (like Vega trem super V1)
This one is defenetly the absolutely best solution I have seen !
Thanks you for sharing !
I haven't tried the Tremol-no but the Tremmory destroys the feel of the trem for me. And it hasn't always been effective often forcing a retune when I lock it. A better option for me has been the Guitar Nutbuster. It's kind of a floating locking system that goes behind a regular nut. It has made tuning a lot more stable for me than the Tremmory but it's not cheap. It does preserve the feel of the trem and guitar though.
Really intrigued by this. Loving the new setup in the background, btw!
Thanks so much Saarang! We're glad to hear that! //Kris
This seems perfect for those who want to install a d-tuna on a Floyd Rose.
Not really compatible with the five springs of the Tremolo, but since I use all five springs, I don't think that I have the same problems with my floating Trem that y'all are having. Looks pretty solid if you need it. 👍
I think it's an excellent product and it's a real sad it doesn't have a full lock mode....
The door latch does the same
Why there are so few options for the type of stabilyzers like Tremorry/AEX and Hipshot, which allow playing double stops/bends properly and avoiding trembling during hard attacks, and still have the possibility to move the tremolo up at the same time, not only down like this one?
Thank you. Its not cheap but there was one thing about my Ibanez az that annoyed me. Now , it’ll be perfect
I searched to long for this product. The AllParts Tremol-No didnt do it for me on the VegaTrem.
Do you have one of these installed? My two main guitars are sporting Vega Terms and I would love to be able to go from dive only to full float.
Cool product Kris. My 2 Strats, I had them set up bridge flush with the body and 5 Springs. I don’t like the whammy bar; personally
Yeah I get that, my strat also has the trem flush on the body. But there's something really cool about a floating trem, that's why I have the Harley. Cheers //Kris
The new Studio and Production looks soooo good. There should be a new Logo too =P The Guitar Guard Hardtailer looks exactly like what i need, i'll look foward to buy one ;-)
Thanks so much! We love it in the new studio, all the formats on the channel look better than ever. And it's a dream to have enough space to create whatever we feel like. Thanks for watching our stuff! //Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses I instantly saw that. Love it! Kris your channel and this here and Guillaume taught me so much, that i'm a much better player and take care of my guitars and customise them finally. :D Someday i'll come around to T-City... it's the holy lands. Greets from Solingen ;-)
i got one on my door..
ok that's funny
Those would rattle in full floating.
Ain't nobody breaking in, tonight! 🤘
A piece of wood works just fine.
The term hardtail is a bit weird here.
The obvious thing is to bolt on a big piece all routed out like a Telecaster Body. It is a reversible mod.
The obvious thing is to bolt on a big piece all routed out like a Telecaster Body. It is a reversible mod.
The only thing I have found to be more stable than a piece of wood was a piece of metal. Tried 1/2/5 eurocent coins too but those were very loose. Made the guitar sound thicc though!
Have you ever done a video on the Goldo backbox?
Tremmory is the best one by far. I'm in the middle of making a modded piece for it so it won't click anymore going into the resting position.
oh how do you plan to do that?
@@Domn879 It works but I have to send it out to a metal shop. I made a few prototypes with a 3D printer but they break after so long, it needs to be made out of steel.
@@mak_attakks Working on it.
@@joeyskar what makes you say the tremmory is better than this? As far as I can tell the only advantage to the tremmory is that you maintain stabilization when pitching whammy up, whereas you have to deactivate the hardtailer to pitch up. But you lose flutters and whammy feel in exchange for the stabilization when pitching up, so its a questionable tradeoff. Please share your thoughts as I am torn between the two and this is just my armchair analysis. Cheers
the $4 bolt lock is the cheapest option some people call in The "Dime Bag Barell" after Dime Bag Darrell from Pantara. for anyone trying to save some dollar papers look up the $4 tremolo lock and you will see what im talking about.
The drawback I see is that you can't really fine tune it once it's installed.
I suppose the best you could so is loosen the claw.
That's seems like an ingenius little gadget. A bit more advanced than Clapton's little block of wood. lol but question how can they call it a hardtailer if you can still use the trem downward?
That's a really good question. 😆 Well, I guess if you remove the trem arm and put the Hardtailer in the "dive-only-mode" it's technically hard tailed. Haha! No way you can move the bridge around like that. And if you tune the strings down (or break one) it's still gonna be stable and in tune. 😅
Cheers bud //Kris
I cut a little piece of wood that just fits and I cram it in there… hardtail. But I only trem on my double locking guitars.
I gotta have my flutters!!!
Flutters and wobble for life! Cheers buddy //Kris
Fluttering on the shitter is a must.
only thing i want to know that how long is the blocking part of the system? my schecter has some wood removed in the cavity so im not able to put thing really close to the tremolo block.
Hi.
It seams it is doing a great job but I wonder if there is enough space in there to add also a Tremelo stabilizer (like a Goldo back box)?
Would be perfect if the screws were in front and back (not on the sides). Would occupy less space!
Do you think the Hardtailer fit together with Goldo Back Box, in a cavity with 3 springs?
A reviews on Thomann did say that there is noise from this and other drawbacks. If this is true, then it defeats the purpose of this thing and it's much more affordable just to use a permanent, dove-only trem stopper for $20 or less... But you just have one mode.
"Installation was easy as the tutorial videos, and the component really look and feel as good quality. Overall i liked and would recommend, but i just wanted to share some remarks, as i felt the videos and comments were a bit misleading to me at least (floyd rose guitar).
- at least for me, this is not an easy switch that enables full floating or dive only bridge for example during a gig for one song, it just makes it easier to go from a decked to floating bridge guitar. The reason is the hardtailer needs to have some pressure against the bridge block when activated, otherwise there are vibration noises, in my setup ~1/4 to 1/2 step difference is required (activated vs not activated hardtailer), therefore as i chose to be decked in my guitar, if i deactivate the hardtailer, it will result in the guitar at least 1/4 step sharp when floating (and not in good tune) One can say, you just need to re-tune it them (in floating that can take a bit and also consider the impact of step difference on floyd rose bridge setup)… and it is right, but this is not mentioned by the marketing material and i had not understood this was the case (although pretty obvious after installation). Still, much better than not having the component…
On the pro-side, it is stable, so i kept my microtuning on e string tight, and can therefore go to D tune only on with the e-string micro tuning of the floyd rose."
I've been looking for a long time for something like this to install in a EBMM JP12 so I can tune down to drop D and go back to a full floating with a nice flutter in between songs. Only a question: Does it fit between two Springs in a 3 springs setup? Cause I use to have a spring in the center and the other two in the sides, and i would rather prefer to install in in between the center and one of the sides instead of moving the center spring to one if the sides. Thx!
You can basically switch between a floating trem and a hardtail?
A couple more cons; leaving the cover off the tremolo cavity and only being able to use 3 springs
Hi. Floyd Rose do a similar device called a Trem-Endus. It looks great. Any chance of Thomann stocking these as I can't find anyone in Europe the does?
Write the guitar department an inquiry. If they can place a custom order for you they are happy to help you out. Cheers //Kris
Is it easy to change strings on a floyd rose?
Hey, awesome video and product. I wanna ask when you are bending the string do the others stay in tune? I'm already guessing the answer, but never actually used it that's why Im asking.
As long as you are in dive only mode, yes you won’t face any out of tune issue on other strings when bending one
@@ilyasrayan4791not unless you *always* have it in five only mode, loosening the claw or adjusting the contact point for extra pressure... But then, as soon as you pull the switch to go to floating you'll be out of tune.
I dream this guitar available for lefty players
I changed my strings on my guitar with hard trailer locked on the GG model. Now I’m getting fret buzz when I bent a string higher up on the neck.
Is that a neck or trem issue?
I’ve got one in my guitar and work fine but it’s noisy when the floyd go back hardly
can you hear the device coming into contact with the tremolo block through the amp?
Other devices comes with a plush sticker in the stopper screw. You can easily add one to the screw or to the block to avoid unwanted noises.
Do you think this can fit with a VegaTrem VT1 ?
That looks like a copy of the FZG
$30 shipping to the US is a bit... You know...
The most stable trem blocker is to only buy hardtails. I made that decision in the 90’s no regrets
Why does everyone stubbornly persist in the misnomer tremelo bar/bridge? It's just wrong. Tremelo refers to a change in amplitude. The correct term for what's happening is vibrato, a change in pitch.
What is the advantage in wilfully misusing established vocabulary?
I think we have the Fender Stratocaster to thank for that. It's been called a tremolo bar/bridge since day one.
I don't see ant cons. It does exactly what you need it to do. If you need instructions with something this simple you should probably not be working on your own guitar anyways.
Does this work for a floyd rose as well?
Yes, absolutely. It's made for all floating tremolos. Cheers //Kris
@ThomannsGuitarsBasses thanks! The wood in the tremolo cavity isn't in the same height, so I'm not sure that the hardtailer can be installed on my guitar.
Can I send a picture of the back cavity to ensure that this fits?
My reason for blocking a trem is to stop the other strings going flat when I'm bending another, so I don' think this is suitable in that situation.
You're right, for that you need a fully blocking tool, not this one. Thanks for watching Martyn! //Kris
you may want to check Ola Englund's video on the tremmory
@@ericvandruten Thanks Eric, I'll give it a look.
I not really sure about that. May be if you block the trem to dive only mode you should be able to tight up the springs more in a way it's get harder to the block to lift up when you bend. That's the principle behind other stoppers like the Göldo Back Box. The difference is that the GBX has it's own spring so you can still move the arm in both directions. May be the GBX's spring makes a difference with that.... I have the GBX installed in a couple of guitars with Floyd Rose and they work perfect for bendings and specially with double stop bendings when it's usually more noticeable.
nice but it is too expensive...
Why would you put one on a hard tail, Guitar? 🤦🏻 😂
If you need the "Tremolo Stopper", so your should not buy a guitar that have Tremolo in the first place. It is this device confusing enough for you? Just like they put a mic in front of another speaker so you can get the sound out of other speaker. The whole thing it's nothing to do with musical, it's just marketing for the lazy consumer🙂
It's not that people don't want to use their tremolo, it's that they don't want to use it all of the time, or can't because certain applications require, say, a detuned string that will alter the tuning of all of the strings if the tremolo is floating. You shouldn't dismiss a product or style of playing that you don't fully understand. ;)
If you call me lazy, because I want to only bring my favorite guitar to the gig that allows for both retuning to Drop D AND playing a floating bridge instead of bringing a second guitar to do one of those jobs, than I'm proudly lazy. You can also call it efficient or genius if you want 😂