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12 yrs ago, I replaced my 47 yo Carrier R-12 systems with Goodmans. Installation is everything in determining longevity. I had a few modifications made: Replaced piston metering with TXVs, added sight glasses with moisture detection and 5" filter boxes. I have an AC license and was with the really excellent installer for every minute of the work. I monitored the micron gauge myself for over 24 hr. The total cost then for the 2 systems and everything from circuit breakers to T-stats to cutoffs to slab, 10 yr. parts and labor transferable warranty was 6000. Zero issues with the systems. I just keep the area around the condensers clean, check the filters, am careful to keep chlorine containing cleaners away from all intakes, etc. I never allow "tune-ups", checking charge, etc. If the systems are functioning properly, they cannot be made to function better, only worse. So no one touches them. Oh, and I keep a spare capacitor or two just in case.
@@Phone-sh7jg I have never washed the condenser coils but I do check them several times each summer. Don't understand why I would refrigerate a capacitor. But to each his own.
I've sold Goodman for 23 years and it's the brand I have to go back on the least. I've got several customers that have 30 year old Goodman. I agree with you, installation error is what gave Goodman a bad name because they would sell to anyone even if you weren't a legit HVAC company.
@@beverlykemplin4731 carrier and Trane made outstanding units from about 1988 to 1996 or so.. then went way down hill. Absolutely nothing today is great.. nothing. Guarantee you'll have a major issue within 5 years. Hope you got a 10 year labor warranty. The new SEER 2 Goodman is not going to last either. Everything is junk all because of the Woke Green looney LEFT. ECM motors, inverter compressor. I bet you have one of those carriers that no longer have replaceable capacitor, contactor or defrost board and you have to replace a $1500. plus module instead. I'm probably leaving this field within the next 12 months because I refuse to sell people junk, and there's no longer anything out there that's not junk.
Goodman was very good brand. Personally I have Goodman rooftop on my roof. 8 years,1 repair, board $63 . Problems starts with Goodman/ Daikin heat pomp. Factory faulty control design. In 20+ years I installed hundreds of Goodman units . Never fails to start or work. Now .... Maybe I'm getting stupid but something is wrong.
As a general contractor I only had access to Goodman. I installed one in my own house. After 15 years the vacuum port corroded but didn’t cost me any money. I’m very happy with Goodman!
I used to get called to apartment complexes a lot and the complex would always get goodman from HD supply or somewhere else and have us install it. I’m talking R410a condensers with existing r22 coils, straight cool package units with no heat. Just throw it in and walk away. No warranty. Goodman takes a beating and that Copeland compressor kicks butt. We sold Amana and they had the best warranty and it worked great.
when I purchased a new home I asked the builder why he put a Goodman system in ....... he said it was the cheapest one he could buy that met all federal requirements for the size of the home and the efficient ratings required. The unit ran with no problems and I noticed over the years that several of my neighbors who had Lennox systems had major issues with them
Not surprising, I’ve seen problems with all brands and I swear that 90%+ of systems live and by the install. There’s the occasional bad part or something damaged from the factory because this stuff is all mass produced but I think Goodman makes a great product and works well if installed and sized correctly just like most other brands
I have Goodman in 3 properties for 15 plus years now. Not one single failure (knock on wood).. An air Conditioning/heating system is only as good as how its installed and how well its maintained.. If properly installed they will last years...I installed them myself as a Class A Florida Air Conditioning/ Heating contractor..I have worked on other Goodman as well as other name brands that were junk because of how they were installed...Daikin is one of the largest manufactures in the world with one of the best warranties..
Worked at a plant that made parts for the HVAC industry. We made mainly subassemblies and simple components like check valves and distributors. Our main customers were Carrier, Trane, Lennox, and Daikin. Carrier and Trane sent the majority of bad parts back. Much of these send backs were for cracked solders and shitty looking braze joints. Some of the issues from Carrier came from leak detection and burst testing. We only leak tested to 200psi with Helium (smallest molecule), Carrier tests to 400psi on a burst test... Overall I can say choosing a brand of HVAC is like choosing a brand of lawn mower. It's the SAME components. The only difference is the quality of the assembly. That relies on the quality of the assembly worked. If your assembly line is experienced and well trained it'll be a solid assembly. If the line is full of temps that don't care about anything but the paycheck your quality will suck and something will be missed.
Midea and Gree make almost every brand of inverter mini splits and the larger full size systems. They are sold as private label as Tosot, Mr Cool, Senville, C&H, YMGI etc etc. They even make the mini splits for the big American brands.
@@TheHVACDopeShow I'm not sure if Daikin makes their own the mini splits say made in China on the Daikin's. They might be manufactured by Midea or Gree under contract with Daikin because those companies have the assembly lines already cranking out systems much more efficiently than any other company could do it. So they sub contract it most likely. They are not manufactured in Texas by Daikin.
Gree collaborates with Daikin for many years and uses daikin's compressor technologies. Midea collaborates with Toshiba and uses toshiba's technologies. Gree is the biggest AC producer in China and in the world. Every third AC in the world is made by Gree. And yes, they produce a lot of different brands for different companies across the world.
@@vitaliipogodin3936 yes and they are sold in most countries around the world under the gree and Midea name. Only in USA they seem to have started as rebranding. Now they are slowly using their real name. Lowe's has Midea major appliances in the stores and Hisense too. Gree was a major sponsor of the Rio de Janero Olympics they had gree signs everywhere in the stadiums.
I noticed they ALL look pretty much the same and figured they came off the same single design and being built in the same factory in China. I was looking at Mr Cool but many reviews I read had a LOT of negatives on the customer service end, plus the price seemed high at around $2k when all is added up, so I looked at Tosot for a 12,000 BTU for $900 and bought that instead. It arrived the other day, the outdoor compressor unit is all steel and metal, nicely powder coated, came in a well padded special box, everything included well arranged and packed in the box, and while I had ordered an electric whip, I found the Tosot already included a heavy, generous length power cable ready to connect to a disconnect. I am happy with the quality I see, the shipping went 100% perfect
I installed my Goodman furnace 2 years ago, working perfectly, now installing my Tosot split A/C and I noticed most of these kinds of units regardless of brand all look and work the same, similar enough they had to have evolved from the same design, and all being manufactured in the same plant in China.
Had a heat pump installed 15 months ago, by a friend in the business, who said he does Goodman. The unit had Daikin labels on it, inside and outside pieces. The outside unit, had a biglabel in front marked Amana. The part numbers were all Daikin, and checking online, I found the same numbers for Goodman. I'm aware that Daikin bought Goodman around 2012.
Haha very true!! We always drill our team on airflow airflow airflow… undersized duct work is very common at high altitude because it’s designed by someone at sea level but installed at 5 - 8k feet (Colorado / High desert) where we have 20% less airflow by default. Thanks for watching!
There’s some truth to this with certain things but for us it’s pretty straight forward… at the 11 year mark with Daikin for example we just fill out paperwork and get a new compressor or whatever failed, it’s pretty straight forward counter swap
Very true. Most decent warranties require a contractor to install which basically makes installation north of 15k on a 5,000 dollar piece of equipment. So you bought your warranty replacement up front. So you can either get a RUclips masters in HVAC, buy and install the equipment, have a technician hook everything up, OR have a contractor upcharge the hell out of everything and not worry about it anymore. The licensed contractors are greedy as hell and I hope the DIY community makes them go the way of the dodo or at least meke them reasonable. There are enough manufacturers that have DIY systems.
Right sizing is so important with the right contractor. I bought a house with an ancient AC that failed almost immediately. However, I did find a well recommended installer by many people in my area who was known for not only installing but supporting with good maintenance. Not the cheapest, but not the most expensive either. Bought from them 11 years ago a Lennox Heat pump and it still running today. We use it down to 38 degrees and for all cooling, and it really has been durable. We did have an electronic overflow switch fail under parts warranty which was $200 to install, but besides that just regular maintenance now for 11 years. They told us using it the right way it will last anywhere from 10-15 years so we know EOF is coming, but it has been a great system.
Been gearing down for the big hurt as my furnace and AC units are going to have their 40 th birthday soon. Olsen furnace but couldn’t tell you what make the AC is, private label I think. When researching what to buy on today’s market I read and heard good things about the Daikon brand. I had a client of mine who just happened to be a salesman. In fact that’s all he ever did, from windows and siding to cars ( both of which he sold my parents) , anyway he was now selling for one of the largest plumbing/HVAC companies in my city. He was all over the Daikon brand. He explained that when they wanted to enter the North American market, they ended up buying Goodman . They knew it was a premium product. The reasoning was they would anchor their own product as premium and Goodman would their lower end . If this in fact happened then it’s a win win for the consumer.
Right on 40 years is impressive!! Yes they bought Goodman for distribution and domestic manufacturing since they had the largest domestic factory in North America, and now it’s the Daikin HQ in Houston, TX and they’ve even expanded the operations. Daikin is a premium brand but Goodman is ok too if it’s installed properly… I feel for Goodman because I think their reputation is mostly tainted because you can buy the equipment without a license through online retailers so they have a lot of DIY installs that are oversized and don’t work well as a result. First company I worked for sold Goodman exclusively and was a very reliable product because they did quality installs.
As a 28 year Senior Tech - The Goodman units I am seeing lately along with Amana have Rotary compressors in them with smaller tubing in the condenser coils. These are more susceptible to dirt/airflow issues. And not fun to disassemble to clean. Sharp edges everywhere too.
The install is a marriage to the sight of installation, and maintenance can be the key or can also be the demise of any install. Some models are not suited for certain applications, whether rated or not for them. Only the Trifecta of selection, install, and proper maintenance and operation make a system legendary. The rest are just commissions on a salesman's quota.
In my area of Florida, I have yet to find an HVAC company that is both qualified and ethical, so unfortunately, I’ve had to sink money into repairing an oversized Goodman. I just couldn’t justify spending thousands more to risk another poor install of a “proper” system. There is zero consistency on knowledge - you get a different input from anyone who comes out, and prices are all over the place. Also, none of them look at everything at once before recommending a new system. All of them want to install the compressor and handler first and then come back later to check duct sizing and whatnot. Prices on the same Daikin system have ranged from $8k-$16k+ for just the compressor and handler and whatever dumb thermostat is needed. Such a corrupt/greedy industry. I had to go through 3 companies and multiple days of 91° temps indoors waiting for my Goodman to be repaired. I could not manage several more days without a/c and again had no trust in any of the companies that came out to be able to justify replacing. It was a terrible predicament to be in.
What part of Florida? I can try to find a referral for you if you like… I know pricing is all over the place but it has more to do with a companies overhead than anything else. Sometimes we’re the most expensive quote and sometimes we’re the cheapest it’s just dependent on who they’re calling, but I feel you it’s frustrating and it sounds like they’re not very competent. A good HVAC tech or estimator will look at sizing first because it’s the biggest cause of problems on retrofit jobs that go wrong IMO
Another longevity issue is the fact that most people do not have preventative maintenance done on their HVAC systems, and minor issues are not caught early enough to stop premature failure. Heck, most people don't change their filters often enough...
I have a 12+yr old. Haier 3ton 14 seer single stage package unit (rooftop) we are currently in the market shopping and this is exactly where I’m at Goodman, Dyken, train, American standard, and of course, price being a factor that’s what I’ve heard as well as installation is just as important picking a good unit, but what would you recommend as a replacement as to maybe help sway /make my decision
So when it comes to rooftop package units we look at what is going to matchup the best typically because honestly the Bosch 18 SEER inverter is the best packaged unit heat pump out IMO, but the other brands will vary in terms of how they mount to your existing curb and whether they need an adapter or if the existing transition will match. If you had a Trane for example then you’d switch to another Trane/American standard as the option requiring the least work since it would be a direct match. But besides that I believe Daikin has the better warranty of the units listed
I agree that Goodman has/had a bad reputation due to its distribution policy. Your house cat can buy a Goodman unit, but a 50 year HVAC contractor can’t buy a Carrier (a Payne maybe etc) unless he’s a Carrier dealer. IME, all the brands will only sell their Flagships (there are 2) to their dealers, but their “cousins” they sell to acontractor.(Concord, Payne etc.) The second reason, IMV, is that 25 years age Goodman built crap. Goodman bought old line name “Janitrol” and ran it in the ground. They earned the name “Junkitrol.” If I needed a furnace and I needed to shop around for a job, 3 distributors would be $40 apart. Goodman would be $200 lower. Remember the “Dependable 92”? Goodman was the darling of 2 year HVAC side work guys. They made a bad product. However…..nobody has worked harder than Goodman in improving quality. They lead in warranty and they install good parts. (I’m not a Goodman dealer and never have been.) I think the Goodman of today is a good reputable product. The Goodman of the 90s? Nope. They used to advertise “Thank goodness for Goodman.” I know a lot techs in the 90s felt, “Thank goodness it’s not a Goodman.”
Yeah that makes sense I didn’t get started installing until 2014 so the Goodman we were working on were different units, compared to the 90’s ones that is. Find cracked heat exchanger janitrols every winter!
Right on, Thanks for the suggestion! What issues are you having with it? Normal troubleshooting for us is verifying the wiring because 99% of the time it’s very reliable and the only issue we have is if the wiring wasn’t done right (we don’t double lug the com wires into the Phoenix connector, instead wire nut and have a single wire terminating in the plug this gives better communication).
@@TheHVACDopeShow yes same here but still have a lot of comm loss calls on new systems (under a year old) just wondering if your having same issues. I’ve heard that connecting to WiFi can throw off the comms?
Ive purchased two Trane roof top package units. Both had problems with the first year. Quality control is terrible on the new Tranes. Plastic fan shrouds that crack and and 2 stage compressors that shut off on the hottest days. Im done with Trane.
Yikes, That’s unfortunate sounds like you got a couple lemons! Hopefully they took care of you under warranty, sorry to hear about your experience, thanks for commenting!
I purchased a new home in Boise that I owned for nine years that came with a Goodman. Never spent a nickel on any repairs; it was a great unit. Fast forward to present day, I punched a home in Arizona that came with a 3 1/2 year old Bryant heat pump. In the past 12 months I have spent nearly $ 2,700 in repairs. True the overall primary expenditure was to recharge the unit. Buyer beware re: “trusted premium brands”.
The warranty is definitely the best that’s why we sell them!! I agree I don’t have any more problems with them than the other brands, and appreciate the tech and really like their product lines
2,800 sq ft house with 17 vents needs new duct work and ac unit in florida will need 5 ton with all new boots, plenum stainless steel box as indoor unit is in garage . Or make more since to go multi-split system
It's just easier since you already have registers etc... I realize you're redoing the duct work, that or an option would be a few splits to supplement. If you're really not using ANY and the costs are similar then mini splits will offer more comfort since they're zoned but you'll be run all of them at least a little to keep the whole house comfortable
Thanks for the great videos. How about the Daikon or Goodman warranty. What is actually covered? Compressor seems the longest. What parts are really covered? What about the Labor to replace those parts? Neighbor just had a $3300 bill for a 3 year old Goodman system. Tech said line was plugged due to poor install which was the same company that did original install! Needed to replace the thermal expansion valve and dryer filter. They were covered under the warranty. There was no warranty on freon or labor just the parts! Ouch! Maybe a video on what to look for when choosing an HVAC company / installer would be very helpful.
If it was a bad install we would have warranteed it that just sounds like a bad call… if they call the management they might make an exception. There’s labor warranties available you can buy that are underwritten through JB warranty or asurion that back up the install to cover labor available… that’s something we’ve offered and people like it. The plugged filter drier is one of those things that technically isn’t covered because it’s a random part you buy but we still cover that if that happens and most companies will. On the Daikin and Goodman equipment the entire unit is covered for 10 years for Goodman and 12 years for Daikin, so if you need a part it’s 100% covered, and the labor warranty varies with the company. We’ve covered repairs out of warranty if there was ever a chronic issue or we find out it’s a poor install… we had a bad batch of coils from a company we don’t sell anymore and we replaced at least 3 or 4 of those systems under OUR warranty and on OUR dime with a new Daikin because the other brand KEPT leaking… ever since it was replaced we stopped having chronic callbacks for a system that kept leaking.
@@TheHVACDopeShow Thanks for your reply. Sounds like you are the answer to "what to look for when choosing an HVAC company / installer" 👍 Going to give you a call and see if you service Queen Creek.
I am a commercial /industrial HVAC technician and have been in the field for 17 years. Yes the internal components of most small equipment 5 tons and under is the same. Where the manufacturer differences are the casing /coils/ and overall design. York/ Goodman/Diakin are notorious for refrigerant leaks on major components and that’s from my own field experience. I also agree the installation error makes up a huge difference on longevity and reliability of equipment. I disagree with you on the fact all equipment are built equally. Trane by far builds some of the best quality equipment up to there large boxcar (VAV) and chillers. ICP (Carrier) does a fairly good job as well.
Very true! It always makes customer service fun when we have a call though and they ask “is this your fault?” And we say “yes 😬” lol. Thanks for the comment!
Me being a southwest Pa resident Goodman is one of a few brands i don't see here. The main ones i see is american standard i have this furnace/AC system. others are Rheem , payne, carrier & some trane.
@TheHVACDopeShow When I lived in Northern Phoenix, I seen goodman. Here where I'm originally from. There are goodman Distributors but some odd reasons there not real popular
Dakin may have a 12 year warranty but Goodman is only 10 years. Just wanted to clarify. I just got a Goodman to replace my original POS Carrier AC that died after 7 years and since this was a new home, it was NOT covered under their warranty. So I swapped the entire system for Goodman. Yeah, it was $8500 but at least I get a 10 year warranty and not 5.
Correct and sorry to hear about your carrier that was a quick system failure, Goodman also has lifetime on some compressors for the original purchaser which is a nice warranty for someone that’s not planning on moving
I’m planning to upgrade my hvac within the next 12 months. It would seem that my area has a lot of Trane dealers and their various subsidiaries . But… I would like to hear some questions to ask the bidders to ensure I’m getting a good installer. My case I am replacing a 30 year old Apollo hydro heat system. I am considering duel fuel heat pumps with 2stage heat pumps and gas fired furnaces. I’d like to hear your thoughts on Apollo systems, and will it be worth it to update? Secondarily I have heard that nobody makes a two/variable speed Apollo style furnace. Thanks for your info.
I have a 1997 house and one of the two systems is original and still running and is a Goodman. When one of the oem Goodman systems failed I replaced it with a new high efficiency Goodman.
Nice! Do you own storage facilities by chance? Just saw the picture on your profile, they are a very good real estate investment… anyways figured I’d ask when I saw that! Not every day someone puts their thumb as storage facilities
Good info. Now I’ve got to make a decision, my 25 year old Goodman system finally died, and have competing bids to replace that are nearly the same amount. Both AC companies have extremely good reviews on several sites, one is local to my town, owner/operator, 20 year tech started his own business in 2021 and does the installations himself with helper. He prefers Goodman and quoted $8100 for 3.5 T SEER 15. The other company is in the big city nearby, much larger company with locations in three Texas cities, prefers Carrier and quoted $8500 for 3.5 T 15. Both include correcting plenum which the builder didn’t do right, and running one extra duct to a room that’s always cold/hot. Just can’t seem to decide, everyone seems to say Carrier is better, but I like that Goodman is made locally in Houston and didn’t outsource to Mexico. In the end, will it make that much difference? I’ll probably be in this house no more than five or six more years, but who knows. Also want a good system for whoever ends up with this house one day.
Yep, for best home resale value, I would easily recommend Carrier / Bryant...without reservation, over Daikin / Goodman / Amana. Carrier / Bryant is just plain good equipment.
It’s all about the install… obviously the Daikin dealer sells Daikin, carrier pushes carrier but I don’t disagree with you on the Mexico factory comment. Both are simple systems and have local parts availability, it’s just whichever installer you trust more. But IMO one is not better than the other even though Goodman has a “builders brand” reputation, that’s only because you can buy them online and they’ve had a lot of DIY installs which never work as well as a properly sized and installed system. Just go with your gut on the installer and IMO you’ll be in better shape with either option.
@@TheHVACDopeShow, i've seen that it's "all about the install" so many times....grrrr! it's about 3 things actually: the equipment design spec, QC in the manufacturing process, and installation excellence. as to design, goodman / amana is lacking vs carrier / bryant or trane / american standard or rheem / ruud... any of which are simply better than goodman / amana / daikin. for example, when are HVAC manufacturers like goodman going to start installing pressure switches onto schrader valves on both the high and low sides so that they can be easily replaced when they go bad without having to get into the refrigerant system.?! i just spent $700 to replace a $20 low pressure switch on my amana asx16042 ac unit. what a total joke!
Can you review mini heat pumps? Like window units? The furnace, central heating units are great for homes with those systems, but it would be good to show what homes without ducts or radiators might most efficiently and inexpensively install. Window units and saddle type look promising.
We don’t install or service window units so I’m not really the guy to ask. It’s not as technical or as big of an investment they’re normally $200-400 so the same principles apply with just trying to find the quietest and most efficient, but they’re inherently inefficient because of their design. But I’ve seen inverters that are a little quieter
@@TheHVACDopeShow it’s incredibly noisy but works well. New Napoléon (Gree) is inverter compressor and is barely 52 decibels. I’ll keep my Goodman condensing gas furnace. Unless I’m wrong, it’s not worth upgrading. Plus with the heat pump I’ll barely ever use it (maybe 10-15 times a year at most).
hello im cristian i had a leak on the goodman model number GHPH1360M41AC, I hired someone to repair the leak but after a month it started to rain and the ac unit started to work but the air flow would be minimal and isnt producing air and my ac unit is at a constant 80 degrees and won't cool down what should i do
Having installed many Goodman systems over the years, I can tell you, they're no worse or better than any other system. Goodman, and the other bargain brands DO cut corners that reduce the lifespan of their units. They put in the bare minimum compressor for the system. A Trane, will have a slightly oversized compressor, by comparison. I'm rural Tennessee, and sometimes I work for free just helping people get air, and I've put used Trane compressors in Goodman systems that are still running to this day, but never the other way around! I've been in the business 25yrs now, and I've not had to go back and replace any of the systems I've installed yet. Most of those were Goodman.
From HVAC technicians claim that Daikin quality fell or decreased once their zoned units were being assembled in Texas. From their perspective when the factory was in Taiwan, the quality matched Mitsubishi. I have family members that want to install zoned A/C that live in the SW part of the US. We are looking for energy savings and long term reliability. These units will work along side smaller central A/C system previously installed in the residence. Thoughts and recommendations? thank you
I can’t speak to that, I’ve installed several VRV life zones systems and have zero issues with them. It’s what I have at my house and works well… it will throw an error code rather than working under duress (meaning it tells you when it has a dirty air filter / dirty condenser etc) so that may make it seem that way to some but I’ve yet to have any sort of warranty issues with the VRV systems and have been generally impressed with higher end equipment (inverters / Daikin fit etc) build quality. Technicians all have different opinions so mine is just that, an opinion 😁 but hopefully that helps. If you’re zoning with mini splits / ductless units they’re VERY reliable… it comes down to installation issues mostly, so if people do a bad job on the flares then that’s when we have an issue. But if the flares (refrigerant connections) are good then the ductless systems don’t leak or really have many issues for years at a time.
Purchased Daikin Air Handler and Heat Pump: Model #'s DZ14SA0301 and ASPT36C14 on Registration Certificates. Recently, issues with UV Light System on Air Handler -- just found out the Unit is "Goodman". Spoke with Daikin and they are telling me everything is the same on the Goodman Unit as a Daikin Unit, just the label is different. 8 Months after I purchased the system, the air handler blower died (The X-13 Blower is what they have on paper work); It was covered under warranty. Then there was debris build up on blower, had to pay $500.00 for them to come out -- take apart components and clean. Have had issues, so now I'm concerned what the long term outcome will be for this Goodman Air Handler, or according to all parties -- it is a Daikin! Looking for any input you might have on the units. Thanks.
It’s a good unit. If there was debris buildup on the unit maybe go for duct cleaning? Or change the filter more regularly, consider a filter upgrade… but it shouldn’t be a problem or get that dirty that quickly unless the filter wasn’t being changed regularly and/or you have lots of dust / dogs and pet dander etc
i have goodman air-condition its about 19 yrs old never have any issue, now i am low on cooling gas, i believe there is leak somewhere in either in A-coil or some where in line can you help how to fix because its lots of money to get fix from tech and i dont how money.
There’s not really an easy fix other than replacing the coils… “leak stop” injections don’t really work in my opinion and is a waste of money. I would consider financing a new system because you can probably finance it for $100 a month and no down payment, or something similar, and this will be a better option than spending $1,000’s on an old system (assuming the quote was very expensive… especially if it’s R22 and you need a new coil)
Goodman / Daikin and Amana are the same brand. As a twenty year pro I know they are all the same. I love their products except the high efficiency gas furnaces that we see leaks in the secondary heat exchanger condensate lines.
The Daikin Fit is an amazing heat pump though. In my opinion the best in the North American market with its communicating platform and hot heat startup . Not like most other conventional heat pumps in North America that the air feels cool to your skin coming down on it.
I don’t like the high efficiency furnaces but mainly because they can’t seem to figure out high altitude pressure switches and were often making multiple trips to tweak the system when we get into the front range which is usually 7000’-8500’ elevation, makes things tricky sometimes. They’re modulating 97MC systems seem to be the least trouble ironically for us at these higher elevations
Hi, I want to know which is a good ac unit for 2,750 sq, feet home and the price range? I heard Goodman is better than carrier now, is it true? What about trane?
Across the board it depends on the install all brands can be great or terrible if install is bad. My in laws have a Trane XV20i that's been bullet proof for 20 years in Phoenix (20 years is a long life expectancy in Phoenix) but I've also seen Goodman systems do great in Phoenix so it just has to be sized properly for the ductwork not just the home. 2700' in Phoenix is different than Denver for example you need a heat load calc to truly know... the biggest question we ask is how the current system has kept up, because I based on the code year we know what size system SHOULD keep up based on load calc, but paper numbers and real world are two separate things. If a customer says the current system struggled even though the load calc says it should keep up then we listen to the customer and size accordingly based on design preferences (indoor set point) of the home owner.
The number one largest quality determination is if the person knew how to properly size and match the BTU output for heating and cooling to the house load this will determine whether the system last a long time or run efficiently or removes humidity. If it’s not match, it will do a poor job and suffer a shorter life . If there is ducting and ducting is too small and restrictive for the size of the unit installed, especially if it has an ECM motor the customer will suffer from ECM motor burnouts that are very expensive and will blame it on the equipment . When it was actually the installer, the person did not correctly size the ducting to match the unit CFM requirements If the unit is noisy and you hear that blower come on and it sounds like a jet engine. That is the designer, the installer, the one who did not know how to size ducting in proper placement to stop the sound.. but the equipment will get blamed. Yes, the more expensive at one time high-quality long lasting brand names like Train and Carrier have now dropped the quality, their units and equipment and components. They choose for higher profits and they’re now just as cheap and fail as often as the old cheap Goodman’s.. They use small cheap capacitors to get the product out the door. And when a capacitor fails, it’s a expensive repair and sometimes it causes a compressor motor to burn out or a condenser fan motor to burn out or a air handler blower motor to burn out just because of a cheap 50 Cent capacitor. They use the cheapest possible contactors both the Goodman and the expensive train or courier. Use the absolute, cheapest garbage they can get profits are higher this way.. The American companies have dropped their quality down to the cheapest competitors. I am not a Goodman fan but Goodman gets a bad name because it is sold to anybody over the Internet. Any handyman with no knowledge any plumber or any meth attic off the street without any knowledge to install it properly improperly ran piping don’t use nitrogen while brazing don’t use a vacuum pump sometimes or not a long enough, and 100 other things that caused the units to fail early. And when this happens, no matter what brand it is, it’s gonna get a bad reputation by the customer thinking it’s the equipment that is faulty. It’s just so happens Goodmans to all the lowlife and industry, who intentionally install it incorrectly due to lack of knowledge. Therefore, giving Goodman the absolute worst reputation in the industry.. But even a Goodman can last 15 or 20 years when size correctly duct is correctly correctly maintained incorrectly installed. It will usually have a long life.. (“ but I would change all those capacitors over to American made Amad after the first year”) 🤣 Condenser fan motor capacitor Compressor, capacitor Air handler blower motor, capacitor
With respect to cooling there are so many variables. Here in Florida I see new construction all the time with duct sizing issues. The number 1 issue is that the areas close to the air handler have great airflow but the rooms farthest from the air handler have significantly reduced airflow resulting in inadequate cooling for the respective rooms. Very expensive for the homeowner to correct. Another thing not talked about is how restrictive alot of air filters are. Hmmm maybe I will do an experiment to see how many CFM I lose thru my filter. I have seen some filters nearly getting sucked in by the air handler. Obviously a good bit of restriction when that happens I see systems sized correctly but some systems still unable to cool down a house to 77 degrees when its 95 outside. Of course air leaks, energy efficient windows and insulation etc........ are all key factors. I advise my friends to get a system 1/2 a ton higher than calculated so the system can reach and maintain desired temperatures easier. Especially when elevated temperatures may start to be the new norm. ECM motors.....I think they are designed to fail on purpose. A $2 part on the motor module going out typically from power surges is what usually fails. Motor is still good but the module has failed. A more robust design with stronger components in the modules would fix this problem but that would reduce profits for manufactures and technicians that replace them. Yes quality has dropped. Manufacturer quality has dropped. Also its very difficult to find an HVAC company that will not cut corners and do an installer correctly. I just bought a Carrier 3 ton heat pump system that I intend to install myself to insure its installed correctly. After the install I will create a commissioning sheet that documents subcooling, superheat, suction and liquid pressures at a outdoor temperature above 85 degrees, supply and return temperatures, compressor current draw, condenser fan current draw and lastly CFM readings for supply air and at each drop. I was disappointed to see a Vietnam fan motor on the condenser and clearly saw the reversing valve was made in China and not as robust as older units that I have seen in the past. I will do regular coil cleanings, and capacitor checks. Will do proactive maintenance and see what happens. A friend of mine had a straight cool Goodman system installed 18 months ago. I have never heard a compressor with a factory installed sound blanket that noisy before. The unit cools fine. I did pressure checks and checked compressor amp draw and run caps. All normal. I had some veteran techs tell me even though its cooling normal it will fail prematurely because some moving parts in it are out of tolerance causing excessive niose...I think Goodman knows it thats why they put a sound blanket on it but it does not help. MINISPLITS ROCK..................just be sure to use a chase and beef up the condensate line with pvc pipe to avoid getting water damage on the walls. Food for thought another friend of mine just had his duct work only replaced at a cost of $6500 in a 3 bed 2 bath 1800sqft house in Florida. Seems pretty steep to me. Maybe I am wrong but I think he would have been better off installing 4 min-splits.
@@adammcqueen3212 all your questions have been answered. Every statement or answer you have are carried out and corrected by a knowledgeable, designer and installer team., It’s better to have a system that is a half ton smaller than a half ton larger. Because in Florida, if it’s larger on the majority of the days when it’s not the hottest day, it will be cycling on and off to wrap it because it’s larger therefore the coil gets warmer and stops removing water between each cycle . And water warm back up on the coil and air starts flowing again or if the air continues the flow it pushes the evaporating water that was just sitting on the coil back into the house.. There’s no getting airflow to the furthest room in the house . That all has to do with the initial proper design of ducting. Anybody knows how to do this correctly. ECM motors specially the constant airflow type will try to keep the airflow going no matter what consuming more power as that undersize restricted filter starts to get clogged. They will try to move more themselves up and rotating faster until they self-destruct. 95% of the time they’re trying to combat poor design that has high friction causing low airflow so from day one their self-destructing shortening their life. As for power searches, that’s a power surge or voltage by arrestor purposes to be installed on the main panel. So that is the installers fault for not installing that but customers always want cheap so they cut corners and don’t do things correctly like installing surge protectors Larger ducting cost more so they put undersized duct because it cost less and it’s easier to run and install. Customers usually never know ducting sizes incorrect, and was improperly installed. Almost customers know that they feel cold 🥶 on their hands. As for condensate line, everybody is cheap and they want the fastest cheapest thing. So they get clogged up because they’re made out of PVC and that is cheap.. Copper is an anti-microbial anus, occurring metal and copper condensate line the majority time they never get up with that fungus, slimy growth. But people don’t wanna pay the price for copper so that’s their own fault. And the water damages avoided when the air handler is properly installed and insulated so it does not sweat back up and clog the condensate. They have a proper size pan air handler into attic. With a water safety shut off device when it senses water in the pan it turns off the air handler cannot make more water. 💦 To keep the cost down and cheaper. Because that’s what the customer wants.. Contractors will leave that device out of the project because it reduces the price. Or higher employees don’t know how to install them correctly and they get installed, but they never work..
I have a system that I believe needs to be replaced. It is at least 34 years old and We have no knowledge on havc system. We have taking to the internet to try to get some answers to our questions. We live in KY and not even sure how to start looking for someone to come look at what we have and get an estimate on what is going to cost to replace as we are new to this area (less than 6 months here). Your video was very helpful and thank you for that. Any advice would be appricated.
Right on glad we could help, what part of Kentucky? We have contacts in different areas and I can find a referral for you, I know Jolly Plumbing in Northern Kentucky is a Daikin Dealer (Wilder KY) and they have a great reputation. If you’re in a different area lmk and we’ll find one for you
@@TheHVACDopeShow We live in Manchester KY and I think cause of the age of the unit we are going to have to replace it. It wasnt taken care of at all we just kind of cleaned the blower out and it was really nasty. Yes if you can give me some names and phone number of people that service this area that would be great. Once again thank you for all your help.
I'd prefer a Goodman but only because parts availability is easier IMO... Carrier typically charges more for their parts than Goodman and Payne is Carrier technically, so we can't get Goodman Parts at Johnstone for example
Goodman is Daikin! It doesn't matter what system you have, other than Lennox because their QC is nonexistent, as long as the installation is done right, ANY system will run well...
Hi we are in need of replacing a 28 year old furnace for a 1996 Bi Level total sq ft 2500 we are seniors on a so called fixed income so payments would be prefered a furnace guy by us recommended a Weatherking 70,000 BTU single stage furnace what we need to know is are they reliable and a good brand ? what brand would you recommend and size we live in Vulcan Alberta Canada we also have already a 3-4 year old Air conditioner this is an investment for us so we want best bang for the buck so to speak but very reliable thank you so much and we look forward to your response cheers
I am having a Goodman 3 ton AC 17.2 Seer professionally installed today. The company recommended a 3 ton for my 2 story 1040 sq ft townhome in OC, CA. The Goodman replaces a 22+year old Lennox that is a 2 ton. I watched this video just now & am now wondering if the 3 ton is too big & will it have problems as you mentioned having the wrong size AC. Thanks.
If the old one kept up I wouldn’t increase size. At the end of life the capacity only decreases because sometimes refrigerant leaks but if it was good most of the time a 2 ton might be better. If you have issues with system icing that’s from being oversized for the ductwork and the only solution is to increase ductwork (add 3-4 duct runs and increase return size), or put in the right size system. You’ll know if it’s icing come summer when it’s get hot but the other downside is runtimes become shorter so it short cycles and blasts you with cool air which is inefficient and leaves you with hot and cold spots
@@TheHVACDopeShow Thank you. The company I bought from recommended 1 ton for every 400 square feet. I knew nothing about hvac, but learned a little when buying. They assured me of no adverse results with a 3 ton. It does have a 10 year warranty, so if it does have problems, it will be on the company's dime to fix.
Depends, Is it a high efficiency heat pump unit? The high efficiency units are only in certain sizes and are multistage so they are more forgiving than the older single stage units. 3 ton is a common size for the high efficiency units. You will be fine.
No way to check per se, it’s just something that gets done during installation… if you have a filter drier that should remove moisture provided they pulled a vacuum but most installers pull a vacuum systems won’t work if you don’t lol like at all
I don't like how Goodman uses thinner metal on their condenser units, the screws strip fast. Typically they use cost cutting capacitors and contactors and they're hard to put back together after a PMA, but they last long if installed correctly. I say they're ok and worth the money.
Yes it can! And you’ll just have to replace the furnace at the same time / or air handler (assuming that’s what you mean by HVAC). Cost will vary by installer and location. If your city has high vs. lost of labor / overhead for example. I’ve heard quotes for everything ranging from 12-20k including indoor and outdoor units so I’d just get a couple bids for comparison. Most Daikin contractors are pretty comparable so if you get a couple quotes that should give you a ballpark idea.
Daikin has a better 12 year warranty, the lifetime compressor warranty is only to the original purchaser with Goodman so the warranty with Daikin transfers with home ownership. But if you’re 100% set on staying in your home and not moving then the lifetime compressor warranty is not a bad deal by any means.
Ive been told that there can be a problem getting parts for Lennox HVAC. I dont know if this is accurate but i steered clear and bought a Carrier system.
Not a bad idea but Idk if that’s true I just know we had a bad experience with Lennox where we had a bunch of coils that went bad and Lennox didn’t honor the warranty. We ended up ripping them off and replacing them at our expense. It didn’t happen with all Lennox coils but we had a dozen or so systems that were chronically leaking and ultimately replaced them with Daikin systems at our expense and the leak stopped
Some of the Lennox systems we installed are still running fine but that left a bad taste in my mouth. I’ve never had an issue getting Daikin to honor a warranty which I appreciate! Accidents happen especially when things are made in a factory, people just want to know their HVAC is going to be covered if there’s a problem
@@TheHVACDopeShow I was referring to.parts availability whether in or out of warranty. I know if you can't get a genuine Carrier part there are generic replacements. I heard that's not the case with Lennox. Whether this is true or not I don't know for certain.
Anything Geothermal honestly. I’ve heard things across the board but Mitsubishi, Daikin, GREE (and most manufacturers) have products that have decent low ambient performance. Here’s the manual for Gree but as you can see on the 3 ton system the COP is 1.3-1.5 at -22F (which means it’s not very efficient) and the capacity drops to 50% output compared to full capacity. This is pretty standard on air source, that’s why anything geothermal will always outperform because you’re able to maintain higher ground temps even in frigid temps so your heat pump isn’t trying to pull heat out of -20F degree air. If you’re in a moderate climate (I’ve heard Toronto / Vancouver for example are “moderate” by comparison to say northern Alberta, so it really varies by region. For example 5F is not that cold for a heat pump so even a Daikin fit enhanced heat pump or any decent “cold climate” rated product will probably be ok. Just depends how often it’s below 5F. If the high temps are below 5F for 2 months on end for example I would go for geothermal options if available, or maybe a cold climate rated mini split only because the efficiency drops substantially at colder temps).
Google search “(manufacturer) model number age” and a website called building center will pop up that finds it for you based on manufacturer … so if you googled “Trane serial number age” then the nomenclature charts will show up for that model that decipher its age
😂😂😂 I’ve only run across one LG and we had chronic leaks. We were trying to fix it for him but honestly may have been the linesets buried in the walls or may have been the units. What issues have you had with them?
Similar I’d choose Goodman over a Grandaire but that’s because I can get Goodman parts everywhere nationwide very easily. Grandaire might be the same but idk if that’s true
Honestly don’t like them for several reasons. We had a massive batch of bad coils that sent us on callbacks for years (only sold them for a few months). And I don’t like their support, when we try to call in for parts if you’re not a “dealer” they set their phone to ring off the hook so you can’t get parts from them. They’re the only parts house I’ve ever been on hold for 45 minutes for. So no I won’t ever sell them again I don’t like how they do business
My lennox is 23 years old GUH 40. Been running like a champ. Had to replace the capacitor once and the main board. Other than that, flawless. How the new ones are, I do not know
Can't recommend Rheem/Rudd. Had two units installed. Control board "lost program" at two years on one unit. $190 labor. ECM motor bad at four years in the other unit. Contractor/manufacturer will not honor warranty unless I pay to have surge protection installed on second unit. 1/3 hp ECM motor is $450!!! The run time hours on both units are very low. My highest electric bill was $65, most months $30.
That’s unfortunate, that’s why we started putting surge protectors on all systems just to prevent callbacks and as a selling point because it definitely helps with sensitive electronics / boards / ecm motors
That link should provide guidance on what qualifies, the GSV9 is probably what qualifies it looks like based on the rebate guides but you’ll have to verify. I’m not as familiar with Goodman products
IMO I would say probably not only based on the installs we’ve seen… it’s DIY there’s a lot of reviews on them on the internet and some people love them and others complain they burn out prematurely and don’t honor the warranty or it’s a pain to get it honored. This could have changed but I’d always prefer a non diy name brand over a mr cool, we don’t work on them
The problem I have with HVAC is that the business has become broadline criminal. The industry pretty much demands you replace your older system for outrageous $$$ instead of repairing them(anything outside the warranty period). Come on 10K for two days labor to replace a unit. Almost every time I had a contractor out they lied in my face about the system. I have a number of systems so I had resort the getting the training via utube and the gear to repair to my own systems. I am an engineer with 40 years exp in design equipment so I do have some knowledges advantages. Yes you have to know what your doing but residential HVAC is not rocket science just some basic math and knowledge. How are consumers to find reputable companies? I am start to think you should reject any company with a really fancy new custom painted service trucks and just deal with independent contractors without the overhead.
You hit the nail on the head when you said overhead… honestly inflation hosed a lot of contractors in the past 4 years. Our prices went up 40% and our margins still are tighter than we’ve ever had and we’re trying to be as competitive as possible. As far as companies that aren’t willing to repair systems that’s just bad business but is also contextual… sometimes we’ll turn down a repair because we know it will lead to a rabbits nest of issues and an unhappy customer down the line, that’s why we offer 0% financing because we get it if things are tight things are tight, but throwing good money at a system that’s just not worth it oftentimes frustrates customers more because we get the call a year later when they want to replace the system only to find out prices have gone up (this is especially more true in recent years from all the inflation) and that we can’t credit any of the repair expense towards the system replacement quote. If you don’t see the value in calling a company that’s more established than a one man show that’s your call but most of our customers find the extra expense for us vs a 1 person chuck and a truck a no Brainer because that independent person is not likely to be around and available to service your equipment because it’s just one person. It’s a difficult time right now, not sure if it will get better but I think it’s more apparent because of how quickly everything has gone up
I’m curious as to your actual field experience in service? You seem be a good talker but all of your points (while mostly valid) seem to be coming from a literature perspective and not from field experience. While they are, by design, pretty much the same units with parts from the same manufacturer, there are many, many differences. For instance, Goodman Evap coils are notorious for leaks, it’s not a surprise if a carrier squirrel cage Grenades (where all the fins just fall off)itself inside the housing, or any of the last gen York R-22 systems that leaked at every joint, or a Trane package unit with a bad control board? I worked for a company that private labeled Goodman units and even on the communicating systems (not including the FIT systems), the parts are almost entirely interchangeable. And FYI non-communicating or ‘’standard 24v with switches and relays” as you put it, is known as legacy wiring. And for reference I have 9 years experience and am a certified Daikin FIT installer.
I haven’t really had leaks on that many Goodman coils or Daikin coils but have had lots with Lennox, don’t like Lennox for this reason… but as a service tech I’m sure you know if pull apart a furnace you’ll find the same brands (Honeywell / Fasco etc.) across multiple units. This content is geared more towards homeowners than technicians so I try to keep it somewhat simple or easy to digest and geared towards what questions homeowners have like “what’s a good brand”… the answer as I’m sure you agree is “depends who installed it”. Thanks for chiming in glad to hear from another Daikin Tech!
I walked up a Daikin the other day, once I opened it up, nothing different than a Goodman. Same crap on the inside. Maybe the Daikin fit is different. Like cars, just another way to sell you the same stuff without you knowing for a different price ......Goodman sucks
It's possible there are just so many out there also. I think Carrier sucks also but I probably see carrier and Goodman the most therefore I'll see more issues with those.
Most brands are pretty similar especially on the base models but I don’t think Goodman is bad, I think some of the installer’s of Goodman are diy / hacky and that’s why they have that reputation because you can buy them online.
You can install the best air conditioner and furnace on the market and have someone that doesn’t know what they’re doing install it and it’s gonna work with a jack shit and you could install the cheapest piece of shit equipment on the market and have a professional install it and it could be a good furnace and air conditioner for 20 some odd years
I always hear the "they're all the same, it's the installer that is key". Um. Sure. Tell us exactly how we can determine a good installer or even see where installers in my area rank at? You can't. You can't "test" out installers anymore than you can test out every condenser or furnace. So you're back to square one...the quality behind the brand. I have a 24 year old Trane that's still going. Is this going to affect my perception of Trane? Absolutely! Only reason I'm replacing it is because it has deteriorated in performance over the past month and I know the new refrigerant is going to make all the R-410 equipment obsolete (which means serious discounts on older manufactured brand new AC's and more expensive brand new ones come 2025). Do I know who installed my Trane? NOPE and in reality, I don't really care. And yes, my biases affect my choices. Trane 14XR has bigger coils and smaller case for their outdoor condenser units vs. Daikin higher efficiency versions. But, Diakin has a better warranty! So! If it fails on the first year, I'm not going to get another one when I need to replace it out-of-pocket vs. a 10 year warranty manufacturer that actually lasts for 2 decades! Goodman is builder's quality and who is "York"? Etc. All these things matter. If it's "all the same" then get get a MRCOOL, interview some HVAC installers willing to install it or figure out how to. Done. Then again, ever hear of "you get what you pay for"? I'm willing to bet the HVAC world isn't unique or exempt from this rule of thumb.
It’s hard to find good installers typically smaller / mid size companies that have procedures in place and can articulate “best practices”. The difference between a system that wasn’t brazed with nitrogen and one that was is noticeable in terms of callbacks and issues so those are things that do make a difference, and the biggest one is appropriate sizing.
I don't know where you're getting your information from. According to Consumer magazine goodman And york are the two with the most service calls. All brands are not pretty much the same. Check Your source.
Goodman can be bought online that’s why they have more service calls is because often times they’re installed DIY or not by HVAC professionals… not sure about York, but if there is an actual difference IMO it’s marginal. Higher end inverters is maybe a different story but then it still comes down to contractor preference and contractors can sometimes be dogmatic with their brand preferences. I’ve seen Goodman be very reliable and also be unreliable, but 99% of the time comes down to sizing / installation
@@6barry66 and he explained to you why. When you have hack job handymen installing them incorrectly you will have more service calls. If they locked them down like carrier does I bet the service calls would drop like a rock.
I don’t mean shit it’s a pretty reputable brand I feel the 12 parts and labor warranty we offer with the equipment is the real seller especially if I’m expecting hopefully 15-20 years maybe 25 at most if well maintained it’s just cost of repair nowadays for some of these parts is outrageous
Lennox sucks because of their evap coil start leaking within a 1 to 3 years. just like carrier. This is not an installation issue. it is a manufacture issue. DAikin sucks becasue you can only install it on a limited length line set.
I agree on the Lennox comment we had several issues with them leaking. All manufacturers have limits on lineset length so not sure what you’re referencing
@@TheHVACDopeShow Unless Daikin changed it. The most length you can run is about 60-70 ft from outdoor to indoor. Thats when I switched to mitsubishi that can be ran to 120 ft with no issues.
It’s hit or miss when you’re calling in lol but I agree we’re not a fan… we have in house local tech support from Daikin we call and they’re better / more responsive, honestly all manufacturers have room for improvement in this area
Im ready to replace my 1993 YORK HE…. With ANOTHER YORK. Never an issue with the furnace …. Motor cap and high limit blower switch …. All locally found………A/C went last year …. York makes ALL PARTS AVAILABLE for mine. Tells me.. New Models to replace the old models direct replacement….
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12 yrs ago, I replaced my 47 yo Carrier R-12 systems with Goodmans. Installation is everything in determining longevity. I had a few modifications made: Replaced piston metering with TXVs, added sight glasses with moisture detection and 5" filter boxes. I have an AC license and was with the really excellent installer for every minute of the work. I monitored the micron gauge myself for over 24 hr. The total cost then for the 2 systems and everything from circuit breakers to T-stats to cutoffs to slab, 10 yr. parts and labor transferable warranty was 6000. Zero issues with the systems. I just keep the area around the condensers clean, check the filters, am careful to keep chlorine containing cleaners away from all intakes, etc. I never allow "tune-ups", checking charge, etc. If the systems are functioning properly, they cannot be made to function better, only worse. So no one touches them. Oh, and I keep a spare capacitor or two just in case.
Right on nice job!
Keep that drain line clear and wash the condenser unit every summer. Keep spare capacitor in the fridge, you never know when you need a new one!
@@Phone-sh7jg I have never washed the condenser coils but I do check them several times each summer. Don't understand why I would refrigerate a capacitor. But to each his own.
Goodman is good equipment..all about the installation
@@chrisbrennan8702 Exactly! Installation is everything and so many systems aren't installed right.
I've sold Goodman for 23 years and it's the brand I have to go back on the least. I've got several customers that have 30 year old Goodman. I agree with you, installation error is what gave Goodman a bad name because they would sell to anyone even if you weren't a legit HVAC company.
Right on Thanks for chiming in!
I think Lennox is more reliable and better design especially SLP98 or EL195 lines.
I got 30 years out of my Carrier and just bought another Carrier furnace and air conditioner again.
@@beverlykemplin4731 carrier and Trane made outstanding units from about 1988 to 1996 or so.. then went way down hill. Absolutely nothing today is great.. nothing. Guarantee you'll have a major issue within 5 years. Hope you got a 10 year labor warranty. The new SEER 2 Goodman is not going to last either. Everything is junk all because of the Woke Green looney LEFT. ECM motors, inverter compressor. I bet you have one of those carriers that no longer have replaceable capacitor, contactor or defrost board and you have to replace a $1500. plus module instead. I'm probably leaving this field within the next 12 months because I refuse to sell people junk, and there's no longer anything out there that's not junk.
Goodman was very good brand. Personally I have Goodman rooftop on my roof. 8 years,1 repair, board $63 . Problems starts with Goodman/ Daikin heat pomp. Factory faulty control design. In 20+ years I installed hundreds of Goodman units . Never fails to start or work. Now .... Maybe I'm getting stupid but something is wrong.
As a general contractor I only had access to Goodman. I installed one in my own house. After 15 years the vacuum port corroded but didn’t cost me any money. I’m very happy with Goodman!
They’re not bad!
Goodman and Daikin are manufactured in the same facility side by side. Been there 2 weeks ago
I used to get called to apartment complexes a lot and the complex would always get goodman from HD supply or somewhere else and have us install it. I’m talking R410a condensers with existing r22 coils, straight cool package units with no heat. Just throw it in and walk away. No warranty. Goodman takes a beating and that Copeland compressor kicks butt. We sold Amana and they had the best warranty and it worked great.
Yeah they’re pretty solid! Thanks for the comment!
when I purchased a new home I asked the builder why he put a Goodman system in ....... he said it was the cheapest one he could buy that met all federal requirements for the size of the home and the efficient ratings required. The unit ran with no problems and I noticed over the years that several of my neighbors who had Lennox systems had major issues with them
Not surprising, I’ve seen problems with all brands and I swear that 90%+ of systems live and by the install. There’s the occasional bad part or something damaged from the factory because this stuff is all mass produced but I think Goodman makes a great product and works well if installed and sized correctly just like most other brands
I have Goodman in 3 properties for 15 plus years now. Not one single failure (knock on wood).. An air Conditioning/heating system is only as good as how its installed and how well its maintained.. If properly installed they will last years...I installed them myself as a Class A Florida Air Conditioning/ Heating contractor..I have worked on other Goodman as well as other name brands that were junk because of how they were installed...Daikin is one of the largest manufactures in the world with one of the best warranties..
Daikin improved the airhandler. It's pretty tough now.
Our Goodman is 26 yrs and still going strong.
That's great! Unfortunately, a Goodman built today has nothing in common with a unit built 26 years ago.
Worked at a plant that made parts for the HVAC industry. We made mainly subassemblies and simple components like check valves and distributors. Our main customers were Carrier, Trane, Lennox, and Daikin. Carrier and Trane sent the majority of bad parts back. Much of these send backs were for cracked solders and shitty looking braze joints. Some of the issues from Carrier came from leak detection and burst testing. We only leak tested to 200psi with Helium (smallest molecule), Carrier tests to 400psi on a burst test...
Overall I can say choosing a brand of HVAC is like choosing a brand of lawn mower. It's the SAME components. The only difference is the quality of the assembly. That relies on the quality of the assembly worked. If your assembly line is experienced and well trained it'll be a solid assembly. If the line is full of temps that don't care about anything but the paycheck your quality will suck and something will be missed.
Good to know and that’s interesting to hear!!
Thanks for the inside scoop 😁
Trane Please
Midea and Gree make almost every brand of inverter mini splits and the larger full size systems. They are sold as private label as Tosot, Mr Cool, Senville, C&H, YMGI etc etc. They even make the mini splits for the big American brands.
This is true! Daikin makes their own line of mini splits but I’ve heard this about Midea and Gree
@@TheHVACDopeShow I'm not sure if Daikin makes their own the mini splits say made in China on the Daikin's. They might be manufactured by Midea or Gree under contract with Daikin because those companies have the assembly lines already cranking out systems much more efficiently than any other company could do it. So they sub contract it most likely. They are not manufactured in Texas by Daikin.
Gree collaborates with Daikin for many years and uses daikin's compressor technologies.
Midea collaborates with Toshiba and uses toshiba's technologies.
Gree is the biggest AC producer in China and in the world. Every third AC in the world is made by Gree. And yes, they produce a lot of different brands for different companies across the world.
@@vitaliipogodin3936 yes and they are sold in most countries around the world under the gree and Midea name. Only in USA they seem to have started as rebranding. Now they are slowly using their real name. Lowe's has Midea major appliances in the stores and Hisense too. Gree was a major sponsor of the Rio de Janero Olympics they had gree signs everywhere in the stadiums.
I noticed they ALL look pretty much the same and figured they came off the same single design and being built in the same factory in China. I was looking at Mr Cool but many reviews I read had a LOT of negatives on the customer service end, plus the price seemed high at around $2k when all is added up, so I looked at Tosot for a 12,000 BTU for $900 and bought that instead.
It arrived the other day, the outdoor compressor unit is all steel and metal, nicely powder coated, came in a well padded special box, everything included well arranged and packed in the box, and while I had ordered an electric whip, I found the Tosot already included a heavy, generous length power cable ready to connect to a disconnect.
I am happy with the quality I see, the shipping went 100% perfect
I installed my Goodman furnace 2 years ago, working perfectly, now installing my Tosot split A/C and I noticed most of these kinds of units regardless of brand all look and work the same, similar enough they had to have evolved from the same design, and all being manufactured in the same plant in China.
Right on nice job!
😢 no hope for American made anymore. Sad
I've had my Goodman going on 7 yrs from brand new and have only replaced the Capacitor! Btw, I live in Florida!
Sure would be nice if they’d start making capacitors that didn’t crap out.
Had a heat pump installed 15 months ago, by a friend in the business, who said he does Goodman. The unit had Daikin labels on it, inside and outside pieces. The outside unit, had a biglabel in front marked Amana. The part numbers were all Daikin, and checking online, I found the same numbers for Goodman. I'm aware that Daikin bought Goodman around 2012.
I flip houses and we primarily use Goodman, and have not had any major issues. As you said, it depends on the installation.
100%, great installers will make the difference!!
LOAD CALC!! OMG! You're a rare bird! Now get airflow & duct design into the discussion 😊
Haha very true!! We always drill our team on airflow airflow airflow… undersized duct work is very common at high altitude because it’s designed by someone at sea level but installed at 5 - 8k feet (Colorado / High desert) where we have 20% less airflow by default. Thanks for watching!
I don’t pay much attention to Warranty length because in my experience getting warranty coverage is more expensive than buying a new one.
There’s some truth to this with certain things but for us it’s pretty straight forward… at the 11 year mark with Daikin for example we just fill out paperwork and get a new compressor or whatever failed, it’s pretty straight forward counter swap
Very true. Most decent warranties require a contractor to install which basically makes installation north of 15k on a 5,000 dollar piece of equipment. So you bought your warranty replacement up front. So you can either get a RUclips masters in HVAC, buy and install the equipment, have a technician hook everything up, OR have a contractor upcharge the hell out of everything and not worry about it anymore.
The licensed contractors are greedy as hell and I hope the DIY community makes them go the way of the dodo or at least meke them reasonable. There are enough manufacturers that have DIY systems.
Right sizing is so important with the right contractor. I bought a house with an ancient AC that failed almost immediately. However, I did find a well recommended installer by many people in my area who was known for not only installing but supporting with good maintenance. Not the cheapest, but not the most expensive either. Bought from them 11 years ago a Lennox Heat pump and it still running today. We use it down to 38 degrees and for all cooling, and it really has been durable. We did have an electronic overflow switch fail under parts warranty which was $200 to install, but besides that just regular maintenance now for 11 years. They told us using it the right way it will last anywhere from 10-15 years so we know EOF is coming, but it has been a great system.
Right on! Sounds like a solid install
Been gearing down for the big hurt as my furnace and AC units are going to have their 40 th birthday soon. Olsen furnace but couldn’t tell you what make the AC is, private label I think. When researching what to buy on today’s market I read and heard good things about the Daikon brand. I had a client of mine who just happened to be a salesman. In fact that’s all he ever did, from windows and siding to cars ( both of which he sold my parents) , anyway he was now selling for one of the largest plumbing/HVAC companies in my city. He was all over the Daikon brand. He explained that when they wanted to enter the North American market, they ended up buying Goodman . They knew it was a premium product. The reasoning was they would anchor their own product as premium and Goodman would their lower end . If this in fact happened then it’s a win win for the consumer.
Right on 40 years is impressive!! Yes they bought Goodman for distribution and domestic manufacturing since they had the largest domestic factory in North America, and now it’s the Daikin HQ in Houston, TX and they’ve even expanded the operations. Daikin is a premium brand but Goodman is ok too if it’s installed properly… I feel for Goodman because I think their reputation is mostly tainted because you can buy the equipment without a license through online retailers so they have a lot of DIY installs that are oversized and don’t work well as a result. First company I worked for sold Goodman exclusively and was a very reliable product because they did quality installs.
"Daikon" is a radish.
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As a 28 year Senior Tech - The Goodman units I am seeing lately along with Amana have Rotary compressors in them with smaller tubing in the condenser coils. These are more susceptible to dirt/airflow issues. And not fun to disassemble to clean. Sharp edges everywhere too.
It’s all in the install
Yes it is!
Exactly why I spent $2000 in tools and did it myself. Contractors these days do such half ass work. They have zero pride. Pretty sad.
The install is a marriage to the sight of installation, and maintenance can be the key or can also be the demise of any install. Some models are not suited for certain applications, whether rated or not for them. Only the Trifecta of selection, install, and proper maintenance and operation make a system legendary. The rest are just commissions on a salesman's quota.
The TRUTH shall set you free. Keep up the good work.
In my area of Florida, I have yet to find an HVAC company that is both qualified and ethical, so unfortunately, I’ve had to sink money into repairing an oversized Goodman. I just couldn’t justify spending thousands more to risk another poor install of a “proper” system. There is zero consistency on knowledge - you get a different input from anyone who comes out, and prices are all over the place. Also, none of them look at everything at once before recommending a new system. All of them want to install the compressor and handler first and then come back later to check duct sizing and whatnot. Prices on the same Daikin system have ranged from $8k-$16k+ for just the compressor and handler and whatever dumb thermostat is needed. Such a corrupt/greedy industry. I had to go through 3 companies and multiple days of 91° temps indoors waiting for my Goodman to be repaired. I could not manage several more days without a/c and again had no trust in any of the companies that came out to be able to justify replacing. It was a terrible predicament to be in.
What part of Florida? I can try to find a referral for you if you like… I know pricing is all over the place but it has more to do with a companies overhead than anything else. Sometimes we’re the most expensive quote and sometimes we’re the cheapest it’s just dependent on who they’re calling, but I feel you it’s frustrating and it sounds like they’re not very competent. A good HVAC tech or estimator will look at sizing first because it’s the biggest cause of problems on retrofit jobs that go wrong IMO
Have dealt with three ac companies in Florida. Mostly incompetent high priced thieves!
Another longevity issue is the fact that most people do not have preventative maintenance done on their HVAC systems, and minor issues are not caught early enough to stop premature failure.
Heck, most people don't change their filters often enough...
Filters huge lol!! Very true
I have a 12+yr old. Haier 3ton 14 seer single stage package unit (rooftop) we are currently in the market shopping and this is exactly where I’m at Goodman, Dyken, train, American
standard, and of course, price being a factor that’s what I’ve heard as well as installation is just as important picking a good unit, but what would you recommend as a replacement as to maybe help sway /make my decision
So when it comes to rooftop package units we look at what is going to matchup the best typically because honestly the Bosch 18 SEER inverter is the best packaged unit heat pump out IMO, but the other brands will vary in terms of how they mount to your existing curb and whether they need an adapter or if the existing transition will match. If you had a Trane for example then you’d switch to another Trane/American standard as the option requiring the least work since it would be a direct match. But besides that I believe Daikin has the better warranty of the units listed
I agree that Goodman has/had a bad reputation due to its distribution policy. Your house cat can buy a Goodman unit, but a 50 year HVAC contractor can’t buy a Carrier (a Payne maybe etc) unless he’s a Carrier dealer. IME, all the brands will only sell their Flagships (there are 2) to their dealers, but their “cousins” they sell to acontractor.(Concord, Payne etc.) The second reason, IMV, is that 25 years age Goodman built crap. Goodman bought old line name “Janitrol” and ran it in the ground. They earned the name “Junkitrol.” If I needed a furnace and I needed to shop around for a job, 3 distributors would be $40 apart. Goodman would be $200 lower. Remember the “Dependable 92”? Goodman was the darling of 2 year HVAC side work guys. They made a bad product.
However…..nobody has worked harder than Goodman in improving quality. They lead in warranty and they install good parts. (I’m not a Goodman dealer and never have been.) I think the Goodman of today is a good reputable product. The Goodman of the 90s? Nope. They used to advertise “Thank goodness for Goodman.” I know a lot techs in the 90s felt, “Thank goodness it’s not a Goodman.”
Yeah that makes sense I didn’t get started installing until 2014 so the Goodman we were working on were different units, compared to the 90’s ones that is. Find cracked heat exchanger janitrols every winter!
Would really love to see a video on Fit system troubleshooting!
Right on, Thanks for the suggestion! What issues are you having with it? Normal troubleshooting for us is verifying the wiring because 99% of the time it’s very reliable and the only issue we have is if the wiring wasn’t done right (we don’t double lug the com wires into the Phoenix connector, instead wire nut and have a single wire terminating in the plug this gives better communication).
@@TheHVACDopeShow yes same here but still have a lot of comm loss calls on new systems (under a year old) just wondering if your having same issues. I’ve heard that connecting to WiFi can throw off the comms?
Ive purchased two Trane roof top package units. Both had problems with the first year. Quality control is terrible on the new Tranes. Plastic fan shrouds that crack and and 2 stage compressors that shut off on the hottest days. Im done with Trane.
Yikes, That’s unfortunate sounds like you got a couple lemons! Hopefully they took care of you under warranty, sorry to hear about your experience, thanks for commenting!
I purchased a new home in Boise that I owned for nine years that came with a Goodman. Never spent a nickel on any repairs; it was a great unit. Fast forward to present day, I punched a home in Arizona that came with a 3 1/2 year old Bryant heat pump. In the past 12 months I have spent nearly $ 2,700 in repairs. True the overall primary expenditure was to recharge the unit. Buyer beware re: “trusted premium brands”.
Goodman Amana, Daikon Top of the line Hvac Equipment. Best Hvac Equipment money can buy, Best Warranty in the business.!!!!!
The warranty is definitely the best that’s why we sell them!! I agree I don’t have any more problems with them than the other brands, and appreciate the tech and really like their product lines
2,800 sq ft house with 17 vents needs new duct work and ac unit in florida will need 5 ton with all new boots, plenum stainless steel box as indoor unit is in garage . Or make more since to go multi-split system
I would stick with a ducted system probably
It's just easier since you already have registers etc... I realize you're redoing the duct work, that or an option would be a few splits to supplement. If you're really not using ANY and the costs are similar then mini splits will offer more comfort since they're zoned but you'll be run all of them at least a little to keep the whole house comfortable
Thanks for the great videos. How about the Daikon or Goodman warranty. What is actually covered? Compressor seems the longest. What parts are really covered? What about the Labor to replace those parts? Neighbor just had a $3300 bill for a 3 year old Goodman system. Tech said line was plugged due to poor install which was the same company that did original install! Needed to replace the thermal expansion valve and dryer filter. They were covered under the warranty. There was no warranty on freon or labor just the parts! Ouch!
Maybe a video on what to look for when choosing an HVAC company / installer would be very helpful.
If it was a bad install we would have warranteed it that just sounds like a bad call… if they call the management they might make an exception. There’s labor warranties available you can buy that are underwritten through JB warranty or asurion that back up the install to cover labor available… that’s something we’ve offered and people like it. The plugged filter drier is one of those things that technically isn’t covered because it’s a random part you buy but we still cover that if that happens and most companies will. On the Daikin and Goodman equipment the entire unit is covered for 10 years for Goodman and 12 years for Daikin, so if you need a part it’s 100% covered, and the labor warranty varies with the company. We’ve covered repairs out of warranty if there was ever a chronic issue or we find out it’s a poor install… we had a bad batch of coils from a company we don’t sell anymore and we replaced at least 3 or 4 of those systems under OUR warranty and on OUR dime with a new Daikin because the other brand KEPT leaking… ever since it was replaced we stopped having chronic callbacks for a system that kept leaking.
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Thanks for your reply. Sounds like you are the answer to "what to look for when choosing an HVAC company / installer" 👍 Going to give you a call and see if you service Queen Creek.
I am a commercial /industrial HVAC technician and have been in the field for 17 years. Yes the internal components of most small equipment 5 tons and under is the same. Where the manufacturer differences are the casing /coils/ and overall design. York/ Goodman/Diakin are notorious for refrigerant leaks on major components and that’s from my own field experience. I also agree the installation error makes up a huge difference on longevity and reliability of equipment. I disagree with you on the fact all equipment are built equally. Trane by far builds some of the best quality equipment up to there large boxcar (VAV) and chillers. ICP (Carrier) does a fairly good job as well.
Yeah I don’t have an opinion on commercial equipment because we don’t really touch it… Its hard for me to gauge sometimes honestly
The truth is… that’s the Truth. If you’re Good w/ Install and design, comfort and Google reviews will shine 😁❤
Very true! It always makes customer service fun when we have a call though and they ask “is this your fault?” And we say “yes 😬” lol. Thanks for the comment!
Me being a southwest Pa resident Goodman is one of a few brands i don't see here. The main ones i see is american standard i have this furnace/AC system. others are Rheem , payne, carrier & some trane.
Interesting, I didn’t realize you don’t have Goodman out there or out there as often I guess… must be less distributors in your area or something.
We see a fair amount of Goodman in Denver, CO and Phoenix, AZ
@TheHVACDopeShow When I lived in Northern Phoenix, I seen goodman. Here where I'm originally from. There are goodman Distributors but some odd reasons there not real popular
Not sure where in southwest pa you are but i also live there. On my 2nd Goodman unit in 30 yrs. So they are sold here.
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In the Cayman Islands warranty is only a year ir 2. All brands got the same materials; I'm a 20 plus years experienced Tech.
Dakin may have a 12 year warranty but Goodman is only 10 years. Just wanted to clarify. I just got a Goodman to replace my original POS Carrier AC that died after 7 years and since this was a new home, it was NOT covered under their warranty. So I swapped the entire system for Goodman. Yeah, it was $8500 but at least I get a 10 year warranty and not 5.
Correct and sorry to hear about your carrier that was a quick system failure, Goodman also has lifetime on some compressors for the original purchaser which is a nice warranty for someone that’s not planning on moving
I’m planning to upgrade my hvac within the next 12 months. It would seem that my area has a lot of Trane dealers and their various subsidiaries . But… I would like to hear some questions to ask the bidders to ensure I’m getting a good installer. My case I am replacing a 30 year old Apollo hydro heat system. I am considering duel fuel heat pumps with 2stage heat pumps and gas fired furnaces. I’d like to hear your thoughts on Apollo systems, and will it be worth it to update? Secondarily I have heard that nobody makes a two/variable speed Apollo style furnace. Thanks for your info.
I have a 1997 house and one of the two systems is original and still running and is a Goodman. When one of the oem Goodman systems failed I replaced it with a new high efficiency Goodman.
Nice! Do you own storage facilities by chance? Just saw the picture on your profile, they are a very good real estate investment… anyways figured I’d ask when I saw that! Not every day someone puts their thumb as storage facilities
which models did you go with? I'm looking to do the same
Good info. Now I’ve got to make a decision, my 25 year old Goodman system finally died, and have competing bids to replace that are nearly the same amount. Both AC companies have extremely good reviews on several sites, one is local to my town, owner/operator, 20 year tech started his own business in 2021 and does the installations himself with helper. He prefers Goodman and quoted $8100 for 3.5 T SEER 15. The other company is in the big city nearby, much larger company with locations in three Texas cities, prefers Carrier and quoted $8500 for 3.5 T 15. Both include correcting plenum which the builder didn’t do right, and running one extra duct to a room that’s always cold/hot. Just can’t seem to decide, everyone seems to say Carrier is better, but I like that Goodman is made locally in Houston and didn’t outsource to Mexico. In the end, will it make that much difference? I’ll probably be in this house no more than five or six more years, but who knows. Also want a good system for whoever ends up with this house one day.
Yep, for best home resale value, I would easily recommend Carrier / Bryant...without reservation, over Daikin / Goodman / Amana. Carrier / Bryant is just plain good equipment.
It’s all about the install… obviously the Daikin dealer sells Daikin, carrier pushes carrier but I don’t disagree with you on the Mexico factory comment. Both are simple systems and have local parts availability, it’s just whichever installer you trust more. But IMO one is not better than the other even though Goodman has a “builders brand” reputation, that’s only because you can buy them online and they’ve had a lot of DIY installs which never work as well as a properly sized and installed system. Just go with your gut on the installer and IMO you’ll be in better shape with either option.
what did you go with? My Goodman is on it's 25th summer
@@TheHVACDopeShow, i've seen that it's "all about the install" so many times....grrrr! it's about 3 things actually: the equipment design spec, QC in the manufacturing process, and installation excellence. as to design, goodman / amana is lacking vs carrier / bryant or trane / american standard or rheem / ruud... any of which are simply better than goodman / amana / daikin. for example, when are HVAC manufacturers like goodman going to start installing pressure switches onto schrader valves on both the high and low sides so that they can be easily replaced when they go bad without having to get into the refrigerant system.?! i just spent $700 to replace a $20 low pressure switch on my amana asx16042 ac unit. what a total joke!
@@MrRjnr where do you live? the farking north pole?!
Can you review mini heat pumps? Like window units?
The furnace, central heating units are great for homes with those systems, but it would be good to show what homes without ducts or radiators might most efficiently and inexpensively install.
Window units and saddle type look promising.
We don’t install or service window units so I’m not really the guy to ask. It’s not as technical or as big of an investment they’re normally $200-400 so the same principles apply with just trying to find the quietest and most efficient, but they’re inherently inefficient because of their design. But I’ve seen inverters that are a little quieter
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Something like this one, $400 inverter good reviews pretty basic
Or this LG one seems quiet, they’re AC only though, not sure what’s out on the heat pump front ? amzn.to/3T1fGnh
My Goodman A/C is a seer 13 incredibly noisy unit. Only 11 years old. Just swapping out for a Napoleon heat pump side discharge seer2 18 unit.
Nice I’m sure the napoleon is much quieter! 13 seer single stage systems are just basic / builders grade
@@TheHVACDopeShow it’s incredibly noisy but works well. New Napoléon (Gree) is inverter compressor and is barely 52 decibels. I’ll keep my Goodman condensing gas furnace. Unless I’m wrong, it’s not worth upgrading. Plus with the heat pump I’ll barely ever use it (maybe 10-15 times a year at most).
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hello im cristian i had a leak on the goodman model number GHPH1360M41AC, I hired someone to repair the leak but after a month it started to rain and the ac unit started to work but the air flow would be minimal and isnt producing air and my ac unit is at a constant 80 degrees and won't cool down what should i do
Having installed many Goodman systems over the years, I can tell you, they're no worse or better than any other system. Goodman, and the other bargain brands DO cut corners that reduce the lifespan of their units. They put in the bare minimum compressor for the system. A Trane, will have a slightly oversized compressor, by comparison. I'm rural Tennessee, and sometimes I work for free just helping people get air, and I've put used Trane compressors in Goodman systems that are still running to this day, but never the other way around!
I've been in the business 25yrs now, and I've not had to go back and replace any of the systems I've installed yet. Most of those were Goodman.
From HVAC technicians claim that Daikin quality fell or decreased once their zoned units were being assembled in Texas. From their perspective when the factory was in Taiwan, the quality matched Mitsubishi. I have family members that want to install zoned A/C that live in the SW part of the US. We are looking for energy savings and long term reliability. These units will work along side smaller central A/C system previously installed in the residence. Thoughts and recommendations? thank you
I can’t speak to that, I’ve installed several VRV life zones systems and have zero issues with them. It’s what I have at my house and works well… it will throw an error code rather than working under duress (meaning it tells you when it has a dirty air filter / dirty condenser etc) so that may make it seem that way to some but I’ve yet to have any sort of warranty issues with the VRV systems and have been generally impressed with higher end equipment (inverters / Daikin fit etc) build quality. Technicians all have different opinions so mine is just that, an opinion 😁 but hopefully that helps. If you’re zoning with mini splits / ductless units they’re VERY reliable… it comes down to installation issues mostly, so if people do a bad job on the flares then that’s when we have an issue. But if the flares (refrigerant connections) are good then the ductless systems don’t leak or really have many issues for years at a time.
Purchased Daikin Air Handler and Heat Pump: Model #'s DZ14SA0301 and ASPT36C14 on Registration Certificates. Recently, issues with UV Light System on Air Handler -- just found out the Unit is "Goodman". Spoke with Daikin and they are telling me everything is the same on the Goodman Unit as a Daikin Unit, just the label is different.
8 Months after I purchased the system, the air handler blower died (The X-13 Blower is what they have on paper work); It was covered under warranty. Then there was debris build up on blower, had to pay $500.00 for them to come out -- take apart components and clean. Have had issues, so now I'm concerned what the long term outcome will be for this Goodman Air Handler, or according to all parties -- it is a Daikin!
Looking for any input you might have on the units.
Thanks.
It’s a good unit. If there was debris buildup on the unit maybe go for duct cleaning? Or change the filter more regularly, consider a filter upgrade… but it shouldn’t be a problem or get that dirty that quickly unless the filter wasn’t being changed regularly and/or you have lots of dust / dogs and pet dander etc
i have goodman air-condition its about 19 yrs old never have any issue, now i am low on cooling gas, i believe there is leak somewhere in either in A-coil or some where in line can you help how to fix because its lots of money to get fix from tech and i dont how money.
There’s not really an easy fix other than replacing the coils… “leak stop” injections don’t really work in my opinion and is a waste of money. I would consider financing a new system because you can probably finance it for $100 a month and no down payment, or something similar, and this will be a better option than spending $1,000’s on an old system (assuming the quote was very expensive… especially if it’s R22 and you need a new coil)
Tubed heat exchangers are the best
Goodman / Daikin and Amana are the same brand. As a twenty year pro I know they are all the same. I love their products except the high efficiency gas furnaces that we see leaks in the secondary heat exchanger condensate lines.
The Daikin Fit is an amazing heat pump though. In my opinion the best in the North American market with its communicating platform and hot heat startup . Not like most other conventional heat pumps in North America that the air feels cool to your skin coming down on it.
I don’t like the high efficiency furnaces but mainly because they can’t seem to figure out high altitude pressure switches and were often making multiple trips to tweak the system when we get into the front range which is usually 7000’-8500’ elevation, makes things tricky sometimes. They’re modulating 97MC systems seem to be the least trouble ironically for us at these higher elevations
Hi, I want to know which is a good ac unit for 2,750 sq, feet home and the price range? I heard Goodman is better than carrier now, is it true? What about trane?
Across the board it depends on the install all brands can be great or terrible if install is bad. My in laws have a Trane XV20i that's been bullet proof for 20 years in Phoenix (20 years is a long life expectancy in Phoenix) but I've also seen Goodman systems do great in Phoenix so it just has to be sized properly for the ductwork not just the home. 2700' in Phoenix is different than Denver for example you need a heat load calc to truly know... the biggest question we ask is how the current system has kept up, because I based on the code year we know what size system SHOULD keep up based on load calc, but paper numbers and real world are two separate things. If a customer says the current system struggled even though the load calc says it should keep up then we listen to the customer and size accordingly based on design preferences (indoor set point) of the home owner.
It’s all about the install
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The number one largest quality determination is if the person knew how to properly size and match the BTU output for heating and cooling to the house load this will determine whether the system last a long time or run efficiently or removes humidity.
If it’s not match, it will do a poor job and suffer a shorter life .
If there is ducting and ducting is too small and restrictive for the size of the unit installed, especially if it has an ECM motor the customer will suffer from ECM motor burnouts that are very expensive and will blame it on the equipment . When it was actually the installer, the person did not correctly size the ducting to match the unit CFM requirements
If the unit is noisy and you hear that blower come on and it sounds like a jet engine. That is the designer, the installer, the one who did not know how to size ducting in proper placement to stop the sound.. but the equipment will get blamed.
Yes, the more expensive at one time high-quality long lasting brand names like Train and Carrier have now dropped the quality, their units and equipment and components. They choose for higher profits and they’re now just as cheap and fail as often as the old cheap Goodman’s..
They use small cheap capacitors to get the product out the door. And when a capacitor fails, it’s a expensive repair and sometimes it causes a compressor motor to burn out or a condenser fan motor to burn out or a air handler blower motor to burn out just because of a cheap 50 Cent capacitor.
They use the cheapest possible contactors both the Goodman and the expensive train or courier. Use the absolute, cheapest garbage they can get profits are higher this way..
The American companies have dropped their quality down to the cheapest competitors.
I am not a Goodman fan but Goodman gets a bad name because it is sold to anybody over the Internet. Any handyman with no knowledge any plumber or any meth attic off the street without any knowledge to install it properly improperly ran piping don’t use nitrogen while brazing don’t use a vacuum pump sometimes or not a long enough, and 100 other things that caused the units to fail early.
And when this happens, no matter what brand it is, it’s gonna get a bad reputation by the customer thinking it’s the equipment that is faulty.
It’s just so happens Goodmans to all the lowlife and industry, who intentionally install it incorrectly due to lack of knowledge. Therefore, giving Goodman the absolute worst reputation in the industry..
But even a Goodman can last 15 or 20 years when size correctly duct is correctly correctly maintained incorrectly installed. It will usually have a long life.. (“ but I would change all those capacitors over to American made Amad after the first year”) 🤣
Condenser fan motor capacitor
Compressor, capacitor
Air handler blower motor, capacitor
Agreed!!
With respect to cooling there are so many variables. Here in Florida I see new construction all the time with duct sizing issues. The number 1 issue is that the areas close to the air handler have great airflow but the rooms farthest from the air handler have significantly reduced airflow resulting in inadequate cooling for the respective rooms. Very expensive for the homeowner to correct. Another thing not talked about is how restrictive alot of air filters are. Hmmm maybe I will do an experiment to see how many CFM I lose thru my filter. I have seen some filters nearly getting sucked in by the air handler. Obviously a good bit of restriction when that happens
I see systems sized correctly but some systems still unable to cool down a house to 77 degrees when its 95 outside. Of course air leaks, energy efficient windows and insulation etc........ are all key factors. I advise my friends to get a system 1/2 a ton higher than calculated so the system can reach and maintain desired temperatures easier. Especially when elevated temperatures may start to be the new norm.
ECM motors.....I think they are designed to fail on purpose. A $2 part on the motor module going out typically from power surges is what usually fails. Motor is still good but the module has failed. A more robust design with stronger components in the modules would fix this problem but that would reduce profits for manufactures and technicians that replace them.
Yes quality has dropped. Manufacturer quality has dropped. Also its very difficult to find an HVAC company that will not cut corners and do an installer correctly. I just bought a Carrier 3 ton heat pump system that I intend to install myself to insure its installed correctly. After the install I will create a commissioning sheet that documents subcooling, superheat, suction and liquid pressures at a outdoor temperature above 85 degrees, supply and return temperatures, compressor current draw, condenser fan current draw and lastly CFM readings for supply air and at each drop.
I was disappointed to see a Vietnam fan motor on the condenser and clearly saw the reversing valve was made in China and not as robust as older units that I have seen in the past. I will do regular coil cleanings, and capacitor checks. Will do proactive maintenance and see what happens.
A friend of mine had a straight cool Goodman system installed 18 months ago. I have never heard a compressor with a factory installed sound blanket that noisy before. The unit cools fine. I did pressure checks and checked compressor amp draw and run caps. All normal. I had some veteran techs tell me even though its cooling normal it will fail prematurely because some moving parts in it are out of tolerance causing excessive niose...I think Goodman knows it thats why they put a sound blanket on it but it does not help.
MINISPLITS ROCK..................just be sure to use a chase and beef up the condensate line with pvc pipe to avoid getting water damage on the walls.
Food for thought another friend of mine just had his duct work only replaced at a cost of $6500 in a 3 bed 2 bath 1800sqft house in Florida. Seems pretty steep to me. Maybe I am wrong but I think he would have been better off installing 4 min-splits.
@@adammcqueen3212 all your questions have been answered. Every statement or answer you have are carried out and corrected by a knowledgeable, designer and installer team.,
It’s better to have a system that is a half ton smaller than a half ton larger.
Because in Florida, if it’s larger on the majority of the days when it’s not the hottest day, it will be cycling on and off to wrap it because it’s larger therefore the coil gets warmer and stops removing water between each cycle . And water warm back up on the coil and air starts flowing again or if the air continues the flow it pushes the evaporating water that was just sitting on the coil back into the house..
There’s no getting airflow to the furthest room in the house .
That all has to do with the initial proper design of ducting.
Anybody knows how to do this correctly.
ECM motors specially the constant airflow type will try to keep the airflow going no matter what consuming more power as that undersize restricted filter starts to get clogged. They will try to move more themselves up and rotating faster until they self-destruct.
95% of the time they’re trying to combat poor design that has high friction causing low airflow so from day one their self-destructing shortening their life.
As for power searches, that’s a power surge or voltage by arrestor purposes to be installed on the main panel.
So that is the installers fault for not installing that but customers always want cheap so they cut corners and don’t do things correctly like installing surge protectors
Larger ducting cost more so they put undersized duct because it cost less and it’s easier to run and install.
Customers usually never know ducting sizes incorrect, and was improperly installed.
Almost customers know that they feel cold 🥶 on their hands.
As for condensate line, everybody is cheap and they want the fastest cheapest thing. So they get clogged up because they’re made out of PVC and that is cheap..
Copper is an anti-microbial anus, occurring metal and copper condensate line the majority time they never get up with that fungus, slimy growth.
But people don’t wanna pay the price for copper so that’s their own fault.
And the water damages avoided when the air handler is properly installed and insulated so it does not sweat back up and clog the condensate. They have a proper size pan air handler into attic. With a water safety shut off device when it senses water in the pan it turns off the air handler cannot make more water. 💦
To keep the cost down and cheaper. Because that’s what the customer wants..
Contractors will leave that device out of the project because it reduces the price. Or higher employees don’t know how to install them correctly and they get installed, but they never work..
I have a system that I believe needs to be replaced. It is at least 34 years old and We have no knowledge on havc system. We have taking to the internet to try to get some answers to our questions. We live in KY and not even sure how to start looking for someone to come look at what we have and get an estimate on what is going to cost to replace as we are new to this area (less than 6 months here). Your video was very helpful and thank you for that. Any advice would be appricated.
Right on glad we could help, what part of Kentucky? We have contacts in different areas and I can find a referral for you, I know Jolly Plumbing in Northern Kentucky is a Daikin Dealer (Wilder KY) and they have a great reputation. If you’re in a different area lmk and we’ll find one for you
@@TheHVACDopeShow We live in Manchester KY and I think cause of the age of the unit we are going to have to replace it. It wasnt taken care of at all we just kind of cleaned the blower out and it was really nasty. Yes if you can give me some names and phone number of people that service this area that would be great. Once again thank you for all your help.
Debating between Goodman vs Payne, any idea?
I'd prefer a Goodman but only because parts availability is easier IMO... Carrier typically charges more for their parts than Goodman and Payne is Carrier technically, so we can't get Goodman Parts at Johnstone for example
Goodman is Daikin! It doesn't matter what system you have, other than Lennox because their QC is nonexistent, as long as the installation is done right, ANY system will run well...
Hi we are in need of replacing a 28 year old furnace for a 1996 Bi Level total sq ft 2500 we are seniors on a so called fixed income so payments would be prefered a furnace guy by us recommended a Weatherking 70,000 BTU single stage furnace what we need to know is are they reliable and a good brand ? what brand would you recommend and size we live in Vulcan Alberta Canada we also have already a 3-4 year old Air conditioner this is an investment for us so we want best bang for the buck so to speak but very reliable thank you so much and we look forward to your response cheers
I am having a Goodman 3 ton AC 17.2 Seer professionally installed today. The company recommended a 3 ton for my 2 story 1040 sq ft townhome in OC, CA.
The Goodman replaces a 22+year old Lennox that is a 2 ton.
I watched this video just now & am now wondering if the 3 ton is too big & will it have problems as you mentioned having the wrong size AC. Thanks.
If the old one kept up I wouldn’t increase size. At the end of life the capacity only decreases because sometimes refrigerant leaks but if it was good most of the time a 2 ton might be better. If you have issues with system icing that’s from being oversized for the ductwork and the only solution is to increase ductwork (add 3-4 duct runs and increase return size), or put in the right size system. You’ll know if it’s icing come summer when it’s get hot but the other downside is runtimes become shorter so it short cycles and blasts you with cool air which is inefficient and leaves you with hot and cold spots
@@TheHVACDopeShow Thank you. The company I bought from recommended 1 ton for every 400 square feet. I knew nothing about hvac, but learned a little when buying. They assured me of no adverse results with a 3 ton. It does have a 10 year warranty, so if it does have problems, it will be on the company's dime to fix.
@@davidf1985good luck, installation is only for one year warranty factory will not cover installer mistakes
Depends, Is it a high efficiency heat pump unit? The high efficiency units are only in certain sizes and are multistage so they are more forgiving than the older single stage units. 3 ton is a common size for the high efficiency units. You will be fine.
Update: I sold my townhome & moved to AZ.
Should any cold air be blowing out of the coil on a TempStar unit?
Inside? Outside? Depends if it’s in defrost cycle, heat pump etc… if it’s cooling then yes lol but I think you’re asking about heating?
What do you think of spacpak for high velocity ac and air quest for the unit?
I’ve never installed them, limited experience working on them, but Spacepak seems to be reliable as a brand
How can I check if the system has been evacuated for moister and debri??? our house has 4 HVAC Systems
No way to check per se, it’s just something that gets done during installation… if you have a filter drier that should remove moisture provided they pulled a vacuum but most installers pull a vacuum systems won’t work if you don’t lol like at all
the problem with goodman is the sheet metal is as thin as aluminum foil.
I don't like how Goodman uses thinner metal on their condenser units, the screws strip fast. Typically they use cost cutting capacitors and contactors and they're hard to put back together after a PMA, but they last long if installed correctly. I say they're ok and worth the money.
I had a horrible time with Lennox I now have a rudd it blows snow
GSC-30241AE What Freon goes in this Goodman Condenser ?????
Most of the stuff out now is 410a, but R32 will be out the end of the year
🎉have a 21 year old 1.5 ton Armstrong. Hvac....can the latest Daikon fit 24,000 btu heat pump be attached to the system ducts? Cost?
Yes it can! And you’ll just have to replace the furnace at the same time / or air handler (assuming that’s what you mean by HVAC). Cost will vary by installer and location. If your city has high vs. lost of labor / overhead for example. I’ve heard quotes for everything ranging from 12-20k including indoor and outdoor units so I’d just get a couple bids for comparison. Most Daikin contractors are pretty comparable so if you get a couple quotes that should give you a ballpark idea.
Goodman has a good warranty and parts are available. I ask who has a better warranty than Goodman? Any?
Daikin has a better 12 year warranty, the lifetime compressor warranty is only to the original purchaser with Goodman so the warranty with Daikin transfers with home ownership. But if you’re 100% set on staying in your home and not moving then the lifetime compressor warranty is not a bad deal by any means.
What’s better the Ge connect or Goodman split system ?
Idk anything about GE, but Goodman is probably easier to get parts for? They’re stocked at parts houses in every city
Ive been told that there can be a problem getting parts for Lennox HVAC. I dont know if this is accurate but i steered clear and bought a Carrier system.
Not a bad idea but Idk if that’s true I just know we had a bad experience with Lennox where we had a bunch of coils that went bad and Lennox didn’t honor the warranty. We ended up ripping them off and replacing them at our expense. It didn’t happen with all Lennox coils but we had a dozen or so systems that were chronically leaking and ultimately replaced them with Daikin systems at our expense and the leak stopped
At first we thought it was our braze joints or Linesets or something else, but it then become apparent that it was bad coils
Some of the Lennox systems we installed are still running fine but that left a bad taste in my mouth. I’ve never had an issue getting Daikin to honor a warranty which I appreciate! Accidents happen especially when things are made in a factory, people just want to know their HVAC is going to be covered if there’s a problem
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I was referring to.parts availability whether in or out of warranty. I know if you can't get a genuine Carrier part there are generic replacements. I heard that's not the case with Lennox. Whether this is true or not I don't know for certain.
Which is the overall best cold climate heat pump in canada?
Anything Geothermal honestly. I’ve heard things across the board but Mitsubishi, Daikin, GREE (and most manufacturers) have products that have decent low ambient performance.
Here’s the manual for Gree but as you can see on the 3 ton system the COP is 1.3-1.5 at -22F (which means it’s not very efficient) and the capacity drops to 50% output compared to full capacity. This is pretty standard on air source, that’s why anything geothermal will always outperform because you’re able to maintain higher ground temps even in frigid temps so your heat pump isn’t trying to pull heat out of -20F degree air. If you’re in a moderate climate (I’ve heard Toronto / Vancouver for example are “moderate” by comparison to say northern Alberta, so it really varies by region. For example 5F is not that cold for a heat pump so even a Daikin fit enhanced heat pump or any decent “cold climate” rated product will probably be ok. Just depends how often it’s below 5F. If the high temps are below 5F for 2 months on end for example I would go for geothermal options if available, or maybe a cold climate rated mini split only because the efficiency drops substantially at colder temps).
What does the serial number show? Where can I find the manufacture date in this serial number?
Google search “(manufacturer) model number age” and a website called building center will pop up that finds it for you based on manufacturer … so if you googled “Trane serial number age” then the nomenclature charts will show up for that model that decipher its age
I find the Daikin to have more similarities to Amana than Goodmans. Yes I know Daikin owns Amana
Goodman owned Amana before Daikin purchased them. Goodman and Amana are virtually identical. I've sold them for decades
If they're installed properly, LG heat pumps can last 6 months or more.
😂😂😂 I’ve only run across one LG and we had chronic leaks. We were trying to fix it for him but honestly may have been the linesets buried in the walls or may have been the units. What issues have you had with them?
don't pay the premium for Trane and Lennox
I cannot get Daiken or Goodman to honor warranty.
Was the equipment purchased online? I’ve never had an issue with them honoring a warranty ever. We register the equipment within 90 days
02:23....is all you need to hear......
Hi Anyone know when Rheem is coming out with R454b units?
End of 2024 probably but not 100% sure
@@TheHVACDopeShowthanks heard any update on the rheem r454b units?
@@TheHVACDopeShow Have you heard anything from Rheem about the R454b units?
How does a Goodman compare to a Grandaire?
Similar I’d choose Goodman over a Grandaire but that’s because I can get Goodman parts everywhere nationwide very easily. Grandaire might be the same but idk if that’s true
What's your opinion on Lennox?
Honestly don’t like them for several reasons. We had a massive batch of bad coils that sent us on callbacks for years (only sold them for a few months). And I don’t like their support, when we try to call in for parts if you’re not a “dealer” they set their phone to ring off the hook so you can’t get parts from them. They’re the only parts house I’ve ever been on hold for 45 minutes for. So no I won’t ever sell them again I don’t like how they do business
What's your opinion on American Standard?
My lennox is 23 years old GUH 40.
Been running like a champ.
Had to replace the capacitor once and the main board. Other than that, flawless. How the new ones are, I do not know
Can't recommend Rheem/Rudd. Had two units installed. Control board "lost program" at two years on one unit. $190 labor. ECM motor bad at four years in the other unit. Contractor/manufacturer will not honor warranty unless I pay to have surge protection installed on second unit. 1/3 hp ECM motor is $450!!! The run time hours on both units are very low. My highest electric bill was $65, most months $30.
That’s unfortunate, that’s why we started putting surge protectors on all systems just to prevent callbacks and as a selling point because it definitely helps with sensitive electronics / boards / ecm motors
What Goodman system heat pump will be the best value with tax breaks.
www.goodmanmfg.com/products/heat-pumps
That link should provide guidance on what qualifies, the GSV9 is probably what qualifies it looks like based on the rebate guides but you’ll have to verify. I’m not as familiar with Goodman products
Is Mr. Cool a reliable brand?
IMO I would say probably not only based on the installs we’ve seen… it’s DIY there’s a lot of reviews on them on the internet and some people love them and others complain they burn out prematurely and don’t honor the warranty or it’s a pain to get it honored. This could have changed but I’d always prefer a non diy name brand over a mr cool, we don’t work on them
The problem I have with HVAC is that the business has become broadline criminal. The industry pretty much demands you replace your older system for outrageous $$$ instead of repairing them(anything outside the warranty period). Come on 10K for two days labor to replace a unit. Almost every time I had a contractor out they lied in my face about the system. I have a number of systems so I had resort the getting the training via utube and the gear to repair to my own systems. I am an engineer with 40 years exp in design equipment so I do have some knowledges advantages. Yes you have to know what your doing but residential HVAC is not rocket science just some basic math and knowledge. How are consumers to find reputable companies? I am start to think you should reject any company with a really fancy new custom painted service trucks and just deal with independent contractors without the overhead.
You hit the nail on the head when you said overhead… honestly inflation hosed a lot of contractors in the past 4 years. Our prices went up 40% and our margins still are tighter than we’ve ever had and we’re trying to be as competitive as possible. As far as companies that aren’t willing to repair systems that’s just bad business but is also contextual… sometimes we’ll turn down a repair because we know it will lead to a rabbits nest of issues and an unhappy customer down the line, that’s why we offer 0% financing because we get it if things are tight things are tight, but throwing good money at a system that’s just not worth it oftentimes frustrates customers more because we get the call a year later when they want to replace the system only to find out prices have gone up (this is especially more true in recent years from all the inflation) and that we can’t credit any of the repair expense towards the system replacement quote. If you don’t see the value in calling a company that’s more established than a one man show that’s your call but most of our customers find the extra expense for us vs a 1 person chuck and a truck a no Brainer because that independent person is not likely to be around and available to service your equipment because it’s just one person. It’s a difficult time right now, not sure if it will get better but I think it’s more apparent because of how quickly everything has gone up
I’m curious as to your actual field experience in service? You seem be a good talker but all of your points (while mostly valid) seem to be coming from a literature perspective and not from field experience. While they are, by design, pretty much the same units with parts from the same manufacturer, there are many, many differences. For instance, Goodman Evap coils are notorious for leaks, it’s not a surprise if a carrier squirrel cage Grenades (where all the fins just fall off)itself inside the housing, or any of the last gen York R-22 systems that leaked at every joint, or a Trane package unit with a bad control board?
I worked for a company that private labeled Goodman units and even on the communicating systems (not including the FIT systems), the parts are almost entirely interchangeable. And FYI non-communicating or ‘’standard 24v with switches and relays” as you put it, is known as legacy wiring.
And for reference I have 9 years experience and am a certified Daikin FIT installer.
I haven’t really had leaks on that many Goodman coils or Daikin coils but have had lots with Lennox, don’t like Lennox for this reason… but as a service tech I’m sure you know if pull apart a furnace you’ll find the same brands (Honeywell / Fasco etc.) across multiple units. This content is geared more towards homeowners than technicians so I try to keep it somewhat simple or easy to digest and geared towards what questions homeowners have like “what’s a good brand”… the answer as I’m sure you agree is “depends who installed it”. Thanks for chiming in glad to hear from another Daikin Tech!
I walked up a Daikin the other day, once I opened it up, nothing different than a Goodman. Same crap on the inside. Maybe the Daikin fit is different. Like cars, just another way to sell you the same stuff without you knowing for a different price ......Goodman sucks
Older Goodman units were made better. But you can say that across the board.....
It's possible there are just so many out there also. I think Carrier sucks also but I probably see carrier and Goodman the most therefore I'll see more issues with those.
Most brands are pretty similar especially on the base models but I don’t think Goodman is bad, I think some of the installer’s of Goodman are diy / hacky and that’s why they have that reputation because you can buy them online.
TRANE ONLY 100% EVERY SALE
Agreed… Except for the ones where people don’t want Trane, so 100% minus those ones 😎
You can install the best air conditioner and furnace on the market and have someone that doesn’t know what they’re doing install it and it’s gonna work with a jack shit and you could install the cheapest piece of shit equipment on the market and have a professional install it and it could be a good furnace and air conditioner for 20 some odd years
I always hear the "they're all the same, it's the installer that is key". Um. Sure. Tell us exactly how we can determine a good installer or even see where installers in my area rank at? You can't. You can't "test" out installers anymore than you can test out every condenser or furnace. So you're back to square one...the quality behind the brand. I have a 24 year old Trane that's still going. Is this going to affect my perception of Trane? Absolutely! Only reason I'm replacing it is because it has deteriorated in performance over the past month and I know the new refrigerant is going to make all the R-410 equipment obsolete (which means serious discounts on older manufactured brand new AC's and more expensive brand new ones come 2025). Do I know who installed my Trane? NOPE and in reality, I don't really care. And yes, my biases affect my choices. Trane 14XR has bigger coils and smaller case for their outdoor condenser units vs. Daikin higher efficiency versions. But, Diakin has a better warranty! So! If it fails on the first year, I'm not going to get another one when I need to replace it out-of-pocket vs. a 10 year warranty manufacturer that actually lasts for 2 decades! Goodman is builder's quality and who is "York"? Etc. All these things matter. If it's "all the same" then get get a MRCOOL, interview some HVAC installers willing to install it or figure out how to. Done. Then again, ever hear of "you get what you pay for"? I'm willing to bet the HVAC world isn't unique or exempt from this rule of thumb.
It’s hard to find good installers typically smaller / mid size companies that have procedures in place and can articulate “best practices”. The difference between a system that wasn’t brazed with nitrogen and one that was is noticeable in terms of callbacks and issues so those are things that do make a difference, and the biggest one is appropriate sizing.
Oversized systems are always a killer of efficiency and longevity…
I don't know where you're getting your information from. According to Consumer magazine goodman And york are the two with the most service calls. All brands are not pretty much the same. Check Your source.
Goodman can be bought online that’s why they have more service calls is because often times they’re installed DIY or not by HVAC professionals… not sure about York, but if there is an actual difference IMO it’s marginal. Higher end inverters is maybe a different story but then it still comes down to contractor preference and contractors can sometimes be dogmatic with their brand preferences. I’ve seen Goodman be very reliable and also be unreliable, but 99% of the time comes down to sizing / installation
@TheHVACDopeShow I'm telling you The truth that's what statistics say.
@@6barry66 and he explained to you why. When you have hack job handymen installing them incorrectly you will have more service calls. If they locked them down like carrier does I bet the service calls would drop like a rock.
Omg - I commented about this on another video - disregard that comment.
Haha sounds good! Thanks for watching :)
I can put Goodman parts into a daikin it’s all the same shit company I work for installs daikin
I don’t mean shit it’s a pretty reputable brand I feel the 12 parts and labor warranty we offer with the equipment is the real seller especially if I’m expecting hopefully 15-20 years maybe 25 at most if well maintained it’s just cost of repair nowadays for some of these parts is outrageous
Duh
Lennox sucks because of their evap coil start leaking within a 1 to 3 years. just like carrier. This is not an installation issue. it is a manufacture issue. DAikin sucks becasue you can only install it on a limited length line set.
I agree on the Lennox comment we had several issues with them leaking. All manufacturers have limits on lineset length so not sure what you’re referencing
@@TheHVACDopeShow Unless Daikin changed it. The most length you can run is about 60-70 ft from outdoor to indoor. Thats when I switched to mitsubishi that can be ran to 120 ft with no issues.
Daikin can suck it! Their tech support is horrible.
It’s hit or miss when you’re calling in lol but I agree we’re not a fan… we have in house local tech support from Daikin we call and they’re better / more responsive, honestly all manufacturers have room for improvement in this area
Im ready to replace my 1993 YORK HE…. With ANOTHER YORK. Never an issue with the furnace …. Motor cap and high limit blower switch …. All locally found………A/C went last year …. York makes ALL PARTS AVAILABLE for mine. Tells me.. New Models to replace the old models direct replacement….
Right on enjoy!