White evangelicals, Trump, and a church in crisis
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- When Tim Alberta, son of a born-again Christian pastor, was growing up, the church was a sanctuary from the world of politics. Today, as a journalist, he reports on how in recent decades political ideologies have divided the church, with white evangelicals becoming embroiled by politics and their support of Donald Trump. CBS News chief election and campaign correspondent Robert Costa talks with Alberta, author of the new book, "The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism," who says the white evangelical church is in crisis, which coincided with the election of Donald Trump.
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Two people you should never trust:
A religious leader who tells you how to vote, and a politician who tells you how to pray
Amen
Exactly
Didnt Jesus' disciples do the same in Rome? Hypocrites
America's founding founding fathers were both.
Nicely said.👍💯
Tax the church if they want to preach politics
AMEN sister!! 💯
Exactly!!!
Remove the Tax Exempt Status of American Churches and fund Education! End the cults of ignorance, gullibility, violence, hate, and tRump!
Black churches actually bussed their congregations to vote for ovomit. no problems with that ?
100%
If the church wants to get into politics then they should have their tax exemptions taken away which I don't know why they have it in the first place.
George Carlin said it best. If churches want to get involved in politics, they can pay the admission price like the rest of us.
I've been saying that for years, starting with the fact that they brought prayer into the government with prayer breakfast and Billy Graham. That was a republican thing the Democrats have never tried to shove religion into government or down America's throat.
The very foundations of this nation are a national religion shall not be established or endorsed by government and allow every religion to flourish privately and do no harm to others.
Take away their tax-exempt status I don't think any church should be so rich that their pastor has two private jets and a mansion. That's not religion. it's power, politics, and greed. 💙VOTE BLUE 💙
I wish this was brought up more. It seems so obvious, yet I never see news articles on removing tax exemptions with this constant political involvement.
correcτ! They become nothing more than lobbyists!
That was the whole point of the exemption; Control. If money is too important it remains a stumbling block to the message of the gospel. If the harvest is the focus then its a non-factor.
I graduated high school in 03. Whenever we played football against the Evangelical Christian schools, our coaches warned us about racial slurs and not letting it get to us on the field. They didn't change in 2016. They just got a louder microphone.
Jim Crow Esquire!
Sad
keydaniels I have been hearing the kids complain about the same thing in basketball. Racial slurs tend to fly when we play against these private academies. Even saw a situation at another school with parents fighting and nearly all spectators rushing the court after slurs were thrown around. The crazy part is that the game wasn't canceled. They calmed everyone down, told everyone to stay on their side of the court, and continued the game. Must have been a common occurrence there since they apparently had a system in place for this sort of thing.
How wonderfully christian!
@@mclark4978 it was definitely a common occurrence. And no one in the school's leadership have put an end to it because they're afraid to apply the morals they preach and ruffle an affluent parent's feathers.
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
Mind Begs the Question:
- To support,aid an Apartheid
- Righteous or Evil?
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1st your John Adams quote is taken out of context as most historians do today which changes the historical reference. Keep in mind, when historians and politicians say this country is not a Christian country and the founders were secular. Keep in mind The constitution was based on John Locke's Enlightenment philosophies and books of the Bible. If you cross check the Bill of Rights for example the 1st amendment was based from the book of Jerimiah word for word. The 2nd amendment was based from Isaiah. The declaration of independence if you read the grievance's they are titles of sermons given from 1760 to 1768. The very first congressional meeting was a bible study based on the Thirty Fifth Psalm and it is a matter of historical record. John Adams said in a letter to his wife Abigail, that the passage was so important that she should read it and share with her friends. Yes, the first motion in our 1st congress was to read Psalm 35 and it passed unanimously. That day turned into a bible study that lasted the day. The bible study was so successful that the second motion that passed was to open congress with a prayer. To say our country was not founded on Christianity is plain wrong. Historians and politicians need to put these quotes into their proper context but historians don't want to do that because it destroys their narrative.
@@alanking6240 If you wish to institute Sharia law for your family, go right ahead. I choose to keep religion away from my children, they know evil when they see it and do not need to be told to avoid it.
"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." (Romans 8:33-34) Sinners saved by grace judged by sinners who reject grace.
Pretending to praise God for political gain is truly disgusting.
And that's exactly what Trump does ("praise God for personal gain). It's all show for his gain. "They will know we are Christians by our love", Scripture says. Where's the love in the Trump camp, where's the fruit of the Spirit? Trump has used the Church for his means, and he will eventually be accountable to the Lord.
It is a WAY OF MAKING FAST MONEY!!!…these men that call themselves Pastors, do not have to work., tax-free monies❤❤.and I love it.
It wouldn't be disgusting if they used their leverage for justice, helping the poor and most vulnerable, and loving the sojourner (foreigner living in your country!) as ourselves. If churches did that without seeking their own power and privilege, they would be a legitimate voice in the public square.
@@eloisepamela9107 you love it? Wow. I hope I’m reading that wrong. If I’m not, then you are betraying the God you claim to love.
There is a special place for those type of "Christians" when their time is done in earth.
Politics and religion are not meant to go hand in hand. They never have.
They always have, but it has never worked.
Remove the Tax Exempt Status of American Churches and fund Education! End the cults of proud ignorance, gullibility, violence, hate, and tRump!
@@MTMountainMan5411the climate change cult is extremely profitable.
You will not find that anywhere in the U.S. Constitution. Most of America's founding fathers were Christians, and were very political. Congress also approved of the Holy Bible to be taught in schools in the late 1780s, and it remained that way until the early 1960s, when the atheists got their way and had it removed from the public schools. Now, America's children are being taught the religion of evolution, which has turned them into animals.
more like hand in pocket
I noticed how Tim Alberta and the reporter, had refrained from referencing the racist temperament that is prevalent in the so-called Conservative White American Christian sector.
Yeah it is clear there is a racial component to the whole thing. I think it has at least as much to do with being white as being Christian. It is about who has power and dos not. Who can be out in the open and who has to hide.
Because there is no racial component. That’s a lie put forth by the media. Stop watching fake news and start attending a good church (not a phony one, where there are no sincere Christians). You’ll find out first hand that “Conservative White Christians” are no different than any other race or political persuasion when it comes to accepting others into the Kingdom of God.
@@user-ub4lk3pf3w I do not associate white with power. As power is not exclusive to whites. I was making reference to the negative disposition that is often expressed against non-whites by the members of the Conservative White American Christian sector.
@@cy8685There is a racist temperament within the Conservative White Christian Sector. This revelation didn't come from any "fake news" as you alleged. But from the very racist attitudes of those within that sector. They are not like other sectors of believers at all. They are not very accepting at all of other people, as your own belligerently prejudice response reveals. If you favor gerrymandering Black American voters, criminalizing the teaching of Black American history, police brutality against law-abiding Black citizens, and preventing Black citizens from filing racial discrimination lawsuits against companies that violated their civil rights, then you are obviously not accepting of everyone, and that unfortunately is the commonplace temperament that is often expressed by members of the Conservative White American Christian Sector.
🙄 Like I said, stop listening to fake news. You will find far less racism among White Christians than you do in many other sectors of life.
Ironically for you, I currently attend a church, called Church for all Nations (CFAN), where has an extremely diverse congregation. It’s one of the things that attracted me to that ministry.
Church attendance has been declining for decades, and Trump and maga haven't helped the perception of the church.
I can make fake, hyperbolic comments with no evidence also. Church attendance has sky rocketed. Real humans choose Christianity because everyone has beliefs regardless if you are a Christian or not.
You can include the Pope
Anyone who would like to grow, evolve and mature detest superficiality. Authenticity restored will usher in the greatest move of God we have ever experienced!
Remove the Tax Exempt Status of American Churches and fund Education! End the cults of ignorance, gullibility, violence, hate, and tRump!
@@ellenyoungblood4711 "Authenticity" Uh, you do know you believe in a book with a talking donkey, don't you?
“When you have power you can quickly lose sight of your principles, your values, your faith.” Spot on….
Yes.
It describes the left spot on.
And they will trample all over truth and the constitution to retain their power.
Like New York and Maryland who are crying about migrants that they advocated for while simultaneously giving them the illegal ability to vote.
That is stomping all over the constitution and is totally unethical.
That is absolutely at true statement, it’s like an old wise warrant officer I had in my army days, “Integrity is like virginity, once you lose it, you’ll never get it back. These so called Christian’s for trump are nothing more than hypocrites.
NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK BECAUSE IT IS OUT OF CONTEXT.
@@Dearthvader2 It's not out of context. That's what much of this entire video is regarding. BTW, your caps lock needs repairing.
They've tainted the meaning of "evangelical" and made a clown show out of Christianity.
My dad is a Baptist preacher, and as a kid he always said that he would never discus's politics at church, and I visited this past year, during the closing prayer, it became a diatribe about Biden/ Trump, I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. They have completely abandoned their faith to follow Trump, They are brainwashed.
I agree
And today's Christianity will suffer greatly because of the corruption that the joining together of church and state
My Sunday School class discusses politics. One man threatened, if Trump doesn’t win there will be major problems. I found another class.
Amen I am in agreement with you
@@terriseaton3049 amen great idea
I so empathize with this man! I have heard absolutely awful things in church since Trump. Its unbelievable to me and very painful.
ANOTHER ONE
Yeah right BLAME Trump for EVERYTHING . He doesn't force the people to do anything
I hope some of them see the light and turn to a true man of God in 2024 - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Now that’s a man who lives by deep moral principles, despite the media crucifixion.
@@NewEarthAwakening baaaa baaaa 🐏🐏🐏🐏
I’ve heard awful things said in a church even before Trump.
"What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?" Mark 8:36 Evangelicals have done just that.
I'm not religious but that is a great quote! TY for teaching it to me.
"Look at me go "woke" snd tyoe woops type a bible saying and project what i feel about trump derangement.". TDS.
Thank you Tim for speaking out. My born again evangelical faith has nothing to do with what DT or is enablers say or do. It is based upon what my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ has already done for me and is continuing to do. I am a Never Trumper and voting for President Biden to help keep DT and his enablers out of the White House. The GOP is RIP!!
Many who call themselves "evangelical" have allowed themselves to be deceived and are promoting an antichrist DT (one who opposes in character and deed everything my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ represents and has ever taught).
Just like a person can call themselves an evangelical christian you can also call yourself a cheeseburger but that does not mean it is true!
God knows the heart of a person and will judge all accordingly. No one is getting away with anything including DT and all his enablers. So, repent of your sins and place your trust in Jesus Christ before it is too late.
And what are you smoking?????!!@@Dearthvader2
"The Devil may cite scripture for his own purpose", Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My parents' megachurch has become a MAGAchurch. It's just politics now, and it's got nothing to do with kindness or compassion.
😅😂 oh those dang MAGA people!
@@jenniferorr8413🪞
And its a shame , do your research, Trump said that he did not need Jesus, so why should the white evangelical men, feel that they need Trump.I believe when they look in the mirror they see Trump looking back at them.
@@lulabellelewis1507 share the link of Trump saying that!
@@akc1739 thank you😘
DOWN WITH TRUMPISM
Church and state are to be separated!!
Actually, the constitution states Government cannot infringe on the church but any church can be part of the government.
The American Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
*PETER CARL BORMUTH, Petitioner,* *V.* *COUNTY OF JACKSON, MICHIGAN Respondent*
This Court also released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
@@xjarheadjohnson #Facts👍
@@xjarheadjohnsonthank you for taking the time to share this. ⚘️
@@xjarheadjohnson That John Adams opinion was given to the Muslims, and it doesn't negate the fact that nearly every one of American's founding fathers were Christians, and they were very political.
I left my church home of 19 years because I got tired of hearing how Trump was ordained by God to be our Pres.
I hope you found a good place to worship God, even if it's at home.
I left when his words began creeping into my church.
He was!
@@theamazingchannel470 well if you believe that then you must believe Biden was ordained by God too considering he won a free and fair election.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you found a church home that focuses on Jesus and loving God and loving people. Hang in there.
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
Who said that?
@@Rana.D4 @TheeDavidDee did, weren't you paying attention?
@@nonyabusiness1990 never heard of him
@@Rana.D4 The fact that you never heard of him does not mean that it is inaccurate.
@@nonyabusiness1990 ? never said it was. Just wanted the source so I could share.
As an atheist that’s lived in the Bible Belt my entire life, surrounded by delusional, judgmental conservatives seeing this man and others like him gives me a bit of hope. I tend to generalize all evangelicals as zealots, especially post Trump presidency, it’s good to see they’re not all extremist sheeple.
Zealousness is good, but when it lacks knowledge, it is tyrannical! Christians are truly the most despised people on the planet and many are looking for a savior in flesh and blood because it gives them comfort. However, our comfort is not to come from what is seen, but what is unseen.
Those who seek truth by way of the Holy Spirit see past the rederick of all these political leaders and can see that it is all smoke and mirrors. The demise of this country has been calculated and formulated over decades, and these talking heads are all in it together!
Those who say they follow Christ may have left a bad taste in your mouth, (I understand, I too, grew up in the Bible belt and didn't find the truth until I got out in the wilderness, so to speak), but don't allow the misunderstanding of some to influence you to rule out the possibility of Jesus actually being the truth, life, and way!
Those who truly follow Him and understand His teachings are few and far between, but you can be one of them! It is definitely a straight and narrow road that few be upon, but when you know that you have the King of the Universe on your side, you'll know you are never alone!!! ❤
What do u know another lib, most likely white who would be appalled if someone “labeled” another person, post a comment full of hate, bigotry and labeling..
As an atheist that lives in the Bible belt too; I can tell you that the only problem I've ever had has been from other atheists that (just like Christians) pretend to have all the answers while mocking the other side. Like what you're doing right now.
Yes, there is hope. As a born again Christian who has plenty of questions, I am not a zealot. Nor am I a sheeple. I simply believe the Ten Commandments. No matter where you go in this world the basic tenants of the Commandments hold strong. And I believe Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. History proves He walked this earth, he was crucified, and all of His disciples died rather than deny Him. One need not be a zealot to believe that.
Don’t you realize there will always be zealots in every shape and size (radical Islamic terrorists), sheeple (like the woke crowd needing to be coddled), judgmental atheists (thinking there is no god but cannot prove it), Satan worshippers, and everyone of them thinks they are right. Just like you do.
Funny…I have felt the most judged by atheists.
Donald Trump has openly said that he has never asked Christ for forgiveness. Is that not a fundamental part of the Christian faith? Acknowledging that we commit sin, that we are all capable of doing wrong, and that we all have to ask for forgiveness at some point?
The fact that he has never felt the need to ask for forgiveness for anything goes to the core of who he is as a person.
He also doesn't know how to hold a Bible. Hasn't read the Bible. If he did he would know what forgiveness is. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He also believes he's God. Which is why he believes what he believes.
Thank you Tim for speaking out. My born again evangelical faith has nothing to do with what DT or is enablers say or do. It is based upon what my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ has already done for me and is continuing to do. I am a Never Trumper and voting for President Biden to help keep DT and his enablers out of the White House. The GOP is RIP!!
Many who call themselves "evangelical" have allowed themselves to be deceived and are promoting an antichrist DT (one who opposes in character and deed everything my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ represents and has ever taught).
Just like a person can call themselves an evangelical christian you can also call yourself a cheeseburger but that does not mean it is true!
God knows the heart of a person and will judge all accordingly. No one is getting away with anything including DT and all his enablers. So, repent of your sins and place your trust in Jesus Christ before it is too late.
You really said the truth ,,Thanks.
He'd have to think he's done something wrong. He says again and again that he has "done nothing wrong."
@@Dearthvader2 Sounds like you owe trump some more money. Lol
Grew up in an evangelical household, I would classify myself as a Christian but not an evangelical. Stunning how so many adore political behavior contrary to the Bible. What is even more sad is that evangelicals would support someone who bullies and mocks them behind closed doors, rapes and abuses women, adores hate and not the Fruits of the Spirit, and even calls military veterans (like my father and grandfather) who served others losers and suckers when Jesus talks about laying down our life for one another. There have been days where I have been tempted to walk away from family members who are evangelicals because of evangelicals adoration of Trump and power, and I have lost many friends because of it. Churches are treating young adults and combining politics in such a disgusting manner, and it will cost them forever.
Same here. I have had to drop the "evangelical" label, even though I consider myself evangelical in the actual meaning of the word, because it is now a label and its meaning is loaded with much more than simply spreading the Gospel (which is its actual meaning). I call myself a Christian and I will even tell people I'm a Bible-believing Christian (even though that is actually redundant) but I avoid the word "evangelical" anymore. By your fruits you will know them and by their fruits we know what the "evangelicals" of today are really about.
Thank you Tim for speaking out. My born again evangelical faith has nothing to do with what DT or is enablers say or do. It is based upon what my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ has already done for me and is continuing to do. I am a Never Trumper and voting for President Biden to help keep DT and his enablers out of the White House. The GOP is RIP!!
Many who call themselves "evangelical" have allowed themselves to be deceived and are promoting an antichrist DT (one who opposes in character and deed everything my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ represents and has ever taught).
Just like a person can call themselves an evangelical christian you can also call yourself a cheeseburger but that does not mean it is true!
God knows the heart of a person and will judge all accordingly. No one is getting away with anything including DT and all his enablers. So, repent of your sins and place your trust in Jesus Christ before it is too late.
Yet you support a party who not only goes totally contrary to Gods law but is purposely destroying our country ?
A man who knows his Bible. Read the Temptation of Jesus where the devil took Jesus to a high mountain and offered him dominion over all nations - if Jesus would worship him in returned. Too many evangelicals, craving worldly power, accepted the devil's offer, and now they're worshiping Trump while running Jesus right out of the building.
@@vintagemiscellany5719
Most conservatives dont worship Trump but only know his policies are not suicidal to the county like biden's.
Anyone who would stick with biden even after he has thoroughly proven that his policies are going to destroy our country would be more akin to blindly worshiping someone.
Sheesh.
They have lost all credibility, nothing Christian about them.
"Show me *in Scripture* where any of that matters .."
💙🙏🕊... 👏👍
Let me tell y’all, here in Texas (and especially in the Southern Baptist Convention) it is 10x worse! I HAD to leave the Baptist church, certain Trump supporting deacons and church monopolizing families immediately lost track of the message. Our pastor (thank God) is an independent, but he played it safe and has poked both at Trump and Biden. Jesus is about love and compassion, not about what President can help your pecan plantations.
So WE should only give love and compassion as slaves? What planet are you from?
Separation of Church and State. Constitution is our Bible in a Democracy NOT the Church. Period. We welcome ALL religions as a Democracy including non-Christian. Get an afterlife. Stay in your own pew. Respect the unique spiritual path of others or you have a c o m m u n I s t State vs a DEMOCRACY.
Remove the Tax Exempt Status of American Churches and fund Education! End the cults of proud ignorance, gullibility, violence, hate, and tRump!
Here in NYC, it's not much better. I also had to leave the churches. They always say white evangelicals in order to not offend Asians or others. But it's not just white. It's all of them.
God never
"played it safe."
He calls out evil.
ESPECIALLY IN THE CHURCH !!!
My pastor once said that Christian behavior and attitudes are influenced more by the culture than the bible. I thought that was a bit strong but the last few years have proven it to be true.
Pastor was right.
Many have failed the test of God.
Amen!!!!
Yes, he was right. I'm determined not to let that happen to me!❤
Atheist are living by a higher moral sttandard than most power hungry christians these days.
Im confused..why say Christians...when if you say they..do...then they are not Christians...you shld say confused christians....true Christians are not confused they are unwavering. Its really simple your walk in life will always shine brighter than the darkness of evil.
UPHOLD the Separation of Church and State!!! Uphold Our First Amendment Rights as per Our Constitution!!!!
Absolutely and our Second Amendment also!
Unfortunately it only goes one way. The Bill of Rights are rules placed on how the government acts. There's nothing stopping ill-intentioned members of the clergy from tricking the christian community into inserting politics into their religion.
@@jenniferorr8413okay. We’ll keep the national guard!
The right is focused on two rights.
1 The right to bear arms
2. All rights pertaining to Trump
There is no separation of church and state in the constitution.
How sad that our country has been reduced to this. Political division will be our downfall. We're all Americans but all we see is how different we are than "those people". I believe Patrick Henry said, "United we stand, divided we fall" in his last public speech in March 1799. We would all do well to remember that phrase or we may eventually regret it.
A house divided, Will fall. Jesus is the Word and the only TRUTH. Woe to those that believe and Spread LIES. ALL LIARS shall have their part in the Lake of Fire. Read the Holy Word of the Living God, and live it. Here there is Truth and Life. Many will be deceived in the End Days. Woe to those who Lamp is not full. Jesus will come in the night when you are not ready. Then the Sheep and the Goats. If you do not know these references, you will truly know the Fear of God who Judges the Earth every day. Return to the Words of Jesus - not man. Seek the Father while He may be found.
It's been a hell of a lot worse than this.
Division is what Marxism teaches.
Yeah and trump stole a trick out of "someone's" playbook. Divide and conquer... If you can get your people upset enough they will get rid of each other for you, but who will be left standing? It's going to get ugly again, I hope not but I have a bad feeling. :(
Amen. Acronym for BIBLE is biblical instructions before leaving earth. Stay focused on the Lord. He will lead you into all truths. Give all the glory to God, not man. When you get to those pearly gates, you’re going to have to answer to Jesus Christ. You don’t want him to say, “I never knew you.”
When you realize that Evangelical Christianity in America is, at it's core, the worship of White American culture, their love of Trump starts to make some sense.
They have been given power and they want more. It never ends. Many I've seen have been given the green light to be selfish, cruel jerks. That's not Christ-like
A sort of continuation of manifest destiny
Yep
We recognize that Evangelical is a term that these people coined. It is not Biblical, the Bible speaks of the Evangelist, and it is one of the five-fold ministry.
Preach!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
The Evangelicals around here seem to be a long way from understanding reality. They will vote for the candidate the church tells them to while ignoring the evil of trump.
Thank you Tim for speaking out. My born again evangelical faith has nothing to do with what DT or is enablers say or do. It is based upon what my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ has already done for me and is continuing to do. I am a Never Trumper and voting for President Biden to help keep DT and his enablers out of the White House. The GOP is RIP!!
Many who call themselves "evangelical" have allowed themselves to be deceived and are promoting an antichrist DT (one who opposes in character and deed everything my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ represents and has ever taught).
Just like a person can call themselves an evangelical christian you can also call yourself a cheeseburger but that does not mean it is true!
God knows the heart of a person and will judge all accordingly. No one is getting away with anything including DT and all his enablers. So, repent of your sins and place your trust in Jesus Christ before it is too late.
I grew up in a family of supposed Christians,And watched from a child up,of false Christians,And it sad what I see and hear today.What is left of this family worship Trump.And myself ,I do not even visit these people.Because I fear them.
I will vote fot the candidate that is not out to destroy our country no matter what the church says.
@@Sj27m Encounter Ministries RUclips channel. Mark Hemans\\
No longer respect the evangelicals. Separation of church and state means nothing to them.
They've become Talibangelicals.
Where does it say exactly "separation of church and state" in the Constitution?
That is what trump and and his kind are wanting to happen.
@@keesvanoosbree5911 The words "separation of church and state" do not appear in the U.S. Constitution, but the concept is enshrined in the very first freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Known as the establishment clause, the opening lines of the First Amendment ...
Which "Church" do you have in mind ???
CBS Democrat owned.
Firstly I was say ‘Im sorry for your loss, Tim. I believe your dad was a wise loving man in his lifetime.
Thanks Tim, for Standing for & by Truth.
Amen, amen, amen. I'm a Christian and a Never Trumper. The man bears zero fruit of the Spirit. I get tired of the media painting all Evangelicals as Trump supporters. Most of my Christian circle doesn't like him and would support anyone but. And I live in Texas. We should be relying on the strength and power of Christ, not of a man (and those "Christians" who align themselves with him) who is evil, selfish, and vengeful.
Thank you for speaking out... gives me hope...
Thank you for speaking out... gives me hope...
PREACH!!!! And I mean ZERO fruit of the Spirit!!!!
Yes! Never Trumper Jesus lover here!
As a Texan as well you are definitely part of a small part of the evangelical circle. Plenty of Christians in the ATX are voting for trump. Let's not forget that churches like John Hagee etc. are in Texas as well. Good to have small parts that don't agree with the hive thinking but this stuff is looking bleak.
So sad what has happened to the American church. I’m an evangelical who is for Jesus, not Trump!
The irony here is that Trump has never read the Bible. In a recent statement he said something like that he was more popular than Jesus Christ. That should have really turned off the religious people, but Trump has brought them into his cult hook, line, and sinker. They question him not.
Same here. I worship Jesus, and not the cult of Trump.
But yet they vote for the devil so nice one lol
You need to see it to believe it. Money hungry pastors wife's in gucci...5 children. Not working. You pay. That they get you to heaven...thanks god for Martin luther....as long as the money kings in the box your soul foes from hell to heaven. God sees it
So, what politician has no sin? Trump never claimed to be a Christian, but he does respect Jesus Christ, and the Bible, unlike the Democratic Party. The Dems won't allow "God" in the charter, and when someone mocks God, they laugh about it. The Democratic Party is the party of antichrists.
Make a special church tax where all proceeds go to solve food and housing for the poor. Seems like a good compromise.
Churchea all over America help the poor and homeless all the time. We just paid $400 toward rent for a woman with 5 kids, we helped chemo patient with medical coats, we fed 40 families a week of meals while school was out for the holidays and school meals unavailable. We do our part. We can't do it if we have to pay taxes. How about we ask some billionaires to pay their fair share.
It’s almost as if Trump brought the evangelicals to a high mountain and showed them the world and said, “all this I will give you if you bow down and worship me.” If only there was a biblical comparison.
Wow that's a great analogy
As a child I always wondered how tge Antichrist could possibly get into power. These are the kinds of people who will put the Antichrist into power.
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And as a child, we all pondered about Hitler and now we've seen what the GOP will do to us. Trump is too old and damaged but they've got their footprint. The next Republican president will end democracy.
Yes by 81 million votes
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"pleased to meet you, won't you guess my name?
But what's bugging you is the nature of my game."
I said the word "power" at the same time he did. Finally someone is speaking out and some are starting to listen.
"Show me in the scripture where any of that matters". Straight to the point
The scripture does show it matters. Psalm 33 says; blessed be the people who god is the lord. Scripture also says that, when the wicked rule the righteous grieve. The New Testament tells us to pray for our leaders and to follow their laws. It stands to reason that in a democratic republic, we have a responsibility to be aware of who we cast our votes for and support so that we do not find ourselves in an Acts 5 situation where Peter said; “we will follow gods law not man’s.” Or even a Daniel situation where we are even symbolically thrown in the lions den for not bowing before the king.
@@Badfilms-u6j the Bible also talks about seasoning your conversation with grace, not letting coarse or foolish conversation come from your mouth but only that which is edifying. Jesus stresses two things that a believer must do -- love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength and to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. If what we hear coming out of Evangelical circles is loving yourselves (which you need to be able do before you love other people), then that's a weird kind of love. Just sounds like a section of the American church has huge insecurity and self-esteem problems or are power-hungry, which is antithetical to the gospel. If it's self-esteem issues that the Evangelical church has then you can't give what you don't walk in yourself. If it's political power, then how does that align with the Beatitudes or the fruit of the Spirit?
John 17:16, Jesus urged his disciples to be no part of the world as he was no part of the then world. Jesus prayed to the poor and the lost, I can't recall he ever prayed for Ceasar or Herod.
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The Bible is a lie. End of.
@@Badfilms-u6j Hmm, I must have missed the part of the Beatitudes that says, "Blessed are they who get political power at all costs."
Maybe some have lost their way but not all.
Many of us just want a better America again!
Grifter from the business world meets grifters from the religious world. 😂
Great reply.
I'm offended by the way these people declare themselves 'Christian'; as if I am not. I grew up close to this church and think they are nuts.
Why would anyone care if you are offended? People are concerned with how you convinced yourself that it mattered to anyone.
lol how are they nuts
You believed in edomites and their lies
they blinded by dogma
@peterhulse1064, How many have said that about the Reverend Jeremiah Wright? The Reverends Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? We must remember our government is participatory, of, by and for the people. Our churches are full of people.
I’m a born again Christian I also had to stop going to church, when Trump was president most of my fellow church members were avid supporters, all the older ladies would pray so fervently for that man while on the news he’d be cursing anyone who he deemed his enemy. I just stopped going because even though my Pastor is a great guy who stays away from politics I just felt so unwelcome. Most churches subscribe to the idea that only the Republicans are God sent little angels and the rest are evil who only want destruction for our country.
Thank you Tim for speaking out. My born again evangelical faith has nothing to do with what DT or is enablers say or do. It is based upon what my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ has already done for me and is continuing to do. I am a Never Trumper and voting for President Biden to help keep DT and his enablers out of the White House. The GOP is RIP!!
Many who call themselves "evangelical" have allowed themselves to be deceived and are promoting an antichrist DT (one who opposes in character and deed everything my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ represents and has ever taught).
Just like a person can call themselves an evangelical christian you can also call yourself a cheeseburger but that does not mean it is true!
God knows the heart of a person and will judge all accordingly. No one is getting away with anything including DT and all his enablers. So, repent of your sins and place your trust in Jesus Christ before it is too late.
@007Julie -- You didn't stop going to church; as a faithful Christian, you _are_ the church.
"For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building." -- 1 Corinthians, chapter 3, verse 9 (ESV)
Good for you. Thank God for having you see the evil in this unholy man trying to cause more division to our country.
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Hey why you are not going to church 😢😢
Church needs TO STAY OUT OF POLITICS.😎🇺🇸
The bizarre construction they’ve created about him being, “an imperfect vessel” for God’s work is alarming. He’s a vessel filled with avarice and a selfish need for domination
By their fruits you shall know them. Trump's traits are: Vanity, greed, cruelty, oppression, love of money, power and control...does that sound reasonable, let alone Christian?
and crap
It's simple actually, Christianity completely destroys the human mind and renders it incapable of logic or critical thinking, and this is how we got the Trump cult
Nothing more holy than a divorced manhattan real estate developer and former reality TV show host…
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Don't forget his 3 baby mommas
All churches involved in promoting political candidates should pay taxes.
Christians already pay taxes. When an atheist pushes their religion, they should have to pay more taxes!
Tax the rich⚖️
No REAL Christian would support trump.
It's extremely important to recognize Trump for the danger he is to our democratic values. And to maintain the strict separation of church and state (including our schools).
Complete BS...the danger to our democratic values are those who want to paint half of our country as a danger to democratic values.
Amen!
There is an interpretation that says the separation of church and state simply means that the state is to not have an official church that requires anyone’s attendance and/or support. It does not mean that the values found within the Bible should be ignored when choosing who shall rule over a nation. I genuinely don’t understand thinking that Christians shouldn’t have any type of say or influence in who rules over them. The Bible says when the wicked rule the righteous grieve. If we are given the freedom and right to vote, it stands to reason we should vote and support people who align with our beliefs. Not trying to argue or come off as disrespectful. This belief that Christian’s shouldn’t influence who rules over them is just something that baffles me.
@@Badfilms-u6j I'm not Christian, and I certainly believe that everyone including Christians have the right to follow their beliefs when choosing a leader. My issue, and I believe many people's, is that they chose Trump in order to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. (Such as getting Roe v Wade overturned, which Trump took credit for, now is not mentioning it because he knows it was an unpopular decision.). And has been discussed, how can they say they are following their beliefs when Trump embodies everything they are supposedly against? It is all for the power, not for Jesus.
I stand for the separation of Church and State, and the reason that I stand for that is the same reason that I believe our forefathers did. It is not there to protect religion from the grasp of government but to protect our government from the grasp of religious fanaticism.@@Badfilms-u6j
thank you evangelicals for making sure i have not attended any church for over 30 years
It's a real real shame, the teachings of Christ are beautiful, would we all strive to uphold them...
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SOUNDS LIKE A PERSONAL PROBLEM
yes, i personally will not follow religous people that tell me how to vote or that take donations to make themselves rich. i guess that would be a personal problem@@DAVIDMAINORD
@@DAVIDMAINORD🤡 😅😅😅
I’m not a religious person - my official personal status is non-religious - but for over 20 yrs I’ve had a bumper sticker on every car I’ve owned: “The last time we mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake”. Gotten a lot of great compliments on it during that time too!
What baffles me is what that guy said when asked why born againers flock to T***p and I’ve known all along it’s their belief that it’s this inexplicable charisma he has with them and that he - like Reagan & Bush Jr - promises them that they’ll give them power over our society/culture and our govt. They won’t say it directly of course - well, T***p does because he’s stupid & couldn’t begin to comprehend the separation of church and state and would refuse to even if he knew the basics - but they’ve been doing this for over 50 yrs now and it should scare us all, it could wind up being a real Handmaid’s Tale outcome.
That is why the American Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
*PETER CARL BORMUTH, Petitioner,* *V.* *COUNTY OF JACKSON, MICHIGAN Respondent*
This Court also released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
Remove the Tax Exempt Status of American Churches and fund Education! End the cults of proud ignorance, gullibility, violence, hate, and tRump!
Thank you for articulating this so well. The evangelicals are making a devil's bargain by supporting Trump. Trump couldn't care less about their "Christian values" and he will happily throw them under the bus when it suits his purposes.
BLAH BLAH BLAH "LOOK AT ME I SAID CHURCH AND STATE SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING SOMETHING.. LOOK AT ME GO "WOKE"".
Thanks for referencing the Bormuth case. I was not aware of it and that is my home town!
Jesus wouldnt vote for Donald Trump. Jesus knows he is too WICKED and Sinful to Serve.
Stopped attending church years ago. I didn’t want irrational leaders getting their claws into the minds of our children. Looking at the church today, I’m positive we made the correct choice.
Do you feel empty, without a hope for the future?
You realise by now I suppose the truth of the statement that when people reject the traditional belief systems it as not that they believe in nothing but that they are likely to believe in anything. Including MAGA presumably.
So . . . IF one doesn't go to church they MUST feel empty and have no hope? Really?
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@@keesvanoosbree5911 Your comment is fallacious nonsense. Religion is NOT required to have hope.
@@keesvanoosbree5911 nope. The future is bright. Everything is great. Enjoy life until you die. Because there’s nothing after that. And Im not afraid to tell the Christian money grifters just that.
Evangelicals made the wrong choice. Got inside of politics. Biggest mistake!
Great choice, rather than giving vote for Palestinians Jenocider
That's been their endgame. They want to impose Christian Sharia Law and have the country run as they want it. If anything, Trump represents what they absolutely don't agree with. Narcissism, adultry, are just some things to start with.
Haters are not good Christians!
@@dh5380 of course not. Like Trump
@hustlersgame8759 you can't even spell. And you cannot win without Israel. Why do you think we're playing that game?
So many Americans are oblivious as to the main reason that the Mayflower set sail for the New 🌎World.
Ignorance is a necessary cornerstone of both religion and the GOP.
,,,really - much is " politically convient " , not factual truth
Thanks
Literally just finished a term paper about this lol
Send us your term paper so that we may be enlightened ...pleaze
The church should be preaching Faith and the word of God. The church should stay out of politics, period.
@god_laughs_at_atheists6928 - That's your opinion.
@@georl1 America's founding fathers were very religious. *And it's not an opinion that Congress approved of the Holy Bible to be taught in the schools in the last 1780s* and it stayed that way until the early 1960s, when the atheists got their way and had it removed. Now, evolution is turning our children into animals instead of lovers of God.
If churches want to be delving in politics then THEY NEED TO BE TAXED!!! ALSO would that INCLUDE ALL religions or just the ones you deem fit?!?@god_laughs_at_atheists6928
whoops - you slipped up there - there are NO deities. Never have been. Don't be delusional thinking there is a deity. It distorts your view of reality.
@@nonya.bizness - Amen to that.
The politics of the Evangelical Church has been gross for decades. Nothing has made the Church lose its integrity like tying it politics.
And don't forget their insatiable greed.
@irisbjones There are those churches out there for sure. Luckily, I grew up in a church that had good parishioner controls over the finances. You need to get skeptical if the numbers are not being published regularly, and they don't let you sit in on the counting of coin
Yes, the marriage made in hell between the GOP neocons and the religious right in the 1990's generated a great deal of evil, culminating in Traitor Trump.
money & power thats all it is
Yeah I attribute the MEGA churches to the downfall of So called Christian faith.@@irisbjones
“Show me in Scripture why any of that matters” was the perfect response. Mad respect for this guy.
Just Google it. They’re in there.
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It doesnt say any such thing anywhere in the Bible.
Jesus: "My kingdom is not of this world." But US evangelicals fight all his teachings tooth and nail.
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@@toonlyrics🎯Yes!
I always love it when atheists want to give their opinion on religion😂😂😂😂😂😂
Them working hard to save them Souls from heaven😂😂😂
At one time I considered myself a born again Christian. I didnt know any better. I was brainwashed. I left the church. Years later, I watched Trump rise to power and was horrified at what Christians were willing to accept and do to get what they wanted.
Being a born again Christian is not the problem…thats a great thing. The problem is when don’t follow God and the Bible, and know for themselves what is right and wrong…and because of that are allowed to be pulled away by evil men. You cant serve two masters..you will love the one and hate the other…many have chosen man over God
@@robinbrown7953 What a bunch of reductive nonsense.
What about Bidenomics leading us into economic slavery. Come people wake to the fruits of the tree.
I was told Kenneth Copeland spoke at a Trump rally in 2022 in PA. I had friends that are his 'partners'. I didn't believe it but found it on youtube myself and watched it. 'You'll always be MY president' he said to Trump. 'This man always brought the red, white and blue to the oval office." Even after J6 and all his vengeance rhetoric and hateful words and lies Copeland and his followers still support him. I deleted a lot of contacts that day.
@@jetsamperes5762 Easy to spot the Quitters. Just more people for Trump to put in our Gulags in 2025. He needs cheap labor to make MAGA hats and MAGA t-shirts.
"Power" -- boom! 💥 Exactly.
My understanding of the gospel is totally opposite of any politician especially trump. He's more in line with evil.
Thank you Tim for speaking out. My born again evangelical faith has nothing to do with what DT or is enablers say or do. It is based upon what my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ has already done for me and is continuing to do. I am a Never Trumper and voting for President Biden to help keep DT and his enablers out of the White House. The GOP is RIP!!
Many who call themselves "evangelical" have allowed themselves to be deceived and are promoting an antichrist DT (one who opposes in character and deed everything my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ represents and has ever taught).
Just like a person can call themselves an evangelical christian you can also call yourself a cheeseburger but that does not mean it is true!
God knows the heart of a person and will judge all accordingly. No one is getting away with anything including DT and all his enablers. So, repent of your sins and place your trust in Jesus Christ before it is too late.
AMEN!
He is evil. Not inline but, evil in itself
Is this guy serious? "Show me in scripture where any of thag matters?"
Well, the Supreme Court overturning Roe is a pretty big biblical win.
A major problem with evangelical Christians is that they believe that “once saved, always saved.” This belief gives them the ability to commit great wrongs and call it practicing their faith.
I SEARCHED AND AEARCHED AND SEARCHED. YET NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ANYWHERE IN ANY TEACHINGS FROM EVANGELICALS. YOU ARE A "WOKE" BIT.
You are absolutely right. Work out your faith with fear and trembling. Check yourself, word, and actions against the Word. Salvation is worked out in an active relationship with Jesus.
@fkutube933 Apparently, you haven't searched using the right keywords. Try Calvanism vs. Non Calvanism which is to what the person posting is referring. It is one of the most (if not THE most important) doctrine of belief that separates one denomination from another amongst Protestants. And to the poster's opinion if one believes in predestination they absolutely may have a different attitude towards sin and forgiveness than someone who believes they can lose their salvation. Enough with the overused "woke" and read some of the books instead of burning them. When I went to seminary we had to read hundreds and hundreds of other books besides the Bible alone and you can't walk into, or through, a Christian bookstore without tripping over displays of other books that "teach." So learn on your own besides drinking the Kool-Aid of the guy in the pulpit or on the TV screen..."Wake", if you will.
@@MTMountainMan5411 Calvinism is rather like being given a 'Get out of gaol free' card in a game of transcendental monopoly. Doesn't quite work like that.
When in fact, is a case of: I have been saved, I am saved, I am being saved and I will be saved. You deeds/acts still count!
Tim Alberta said it best : "When you have power , you lose sight of your principles". He's right
Totally agree with you.
Then we should vote for candidates who support dismantling the power structure and who support placing more constraints on what government can do.
Not in total agreement, but generally, yes!
Thank you so much to this christian man for speaking the truth.
Mind Begs the Question:
- If Christianity forbids Homosexuality
- If a State (Govt/Clergy) approve same sex marriage
- Christian State or Anti-Christ State?
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Neither. What happened to "love thy neighbor"?
@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Your brand of Christianity claims it's a sin, mine doesn't. Jesus never mentioned it, although it was rampant in the Roman Empire. In any case, it's not the business of the state to forbid sin. Or do you want the cops to shoot your neighbor who breaks the sabbath by working in his yard and cusses when he cuts his finger on a rosebush? Shall we reintroduce public stoning as in the times of theocratic rule in Israel?
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@@B_BodziakYou have to love your neighbor as Jesus loves you. It's not unconditional. And neighbor means fellow Christian not just anybody. It means being willing to die as Christ did for you, not taking a casserole next door.
The Bible is full of politics! You can read about a king in just about every book in the bible. Get a bad king, and it can bring a curse on a nation, so Christians should know what's going on, and it's up to the pastor to keep them informed! (My people perish from the lack of knowledge) means what is going on in the present, and what the leaders' agenda is!
I love this guy! He is so well informed about how power corrupts people. Thank you for interviewing him and putting it on TV…… it gives me a small grain of hope
When this preachers perfect President arrives. Not bc of God. But bc of satan.
If power corrupts- why aren’t they covering the corrupt Biden family?
Powerful message. My spirit is struggling with how the church has shifted since the emergence of Trump and MAGA. What is really disheartening is the acknowledgement that it had to have always been there. Just under the surface. God Help Us.
The Bible is full of politics - and God's hand in politics. Churches MUST be involved in guiding their members to vote biblically! Churches used to be involved in every aspect of our lives... but the IRS scared them into submission regarding politics when they made churches become 501 (c) (3) entities... which PROHIBITS them from being political. It's called critical thinking... do you see how Christians were tricked into believing that church and politics don't mix? Another lie from Big Brother!! And YOU are the ones who don't see the truth any more!
It's obvious you are anti Trump!!. I support Trump as a Catholic
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Not so much under the surface. It's been there all along lynching black people on Sunday morning after worship. Children lifted high on shoulders, as they tortured, mutilated, burnt and hanged.
Why do you lot refuse to acknowledge your history, even the modern history that took place in my lifetime. And I'm not yet considered a senior citizen!
They've been heading in this direction since the 60s. I watched the church where I grew up in the 70s transform before my eyes. By the end of the 80s, this little "red letter" teaching church grew into a megachurch and moved away from the red letters and onto to letters of Paul, the Old Testament, and thinly veiled politics. Rarely did they teach Jesus' words anymore except for key verses like John 3:16. I think it is good thing that the thin veil has been tossed aside.
I'm glad this part of the public discourse. It's an important. People need to understand the difference between faith and religious extremism. They are not the same thing.
Remove the Tax Exempt Status of American Churches and fund Education!
It is the same in the evangelical churches.
@@SpayAndNeuterChristiansNowexcept "funding public education" is exactly like indoctrination to be a "woke" petchulant child climate change cult member with NO father.
This is how the Taliban took over in Beirut.
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The taliban did what the left is doing.
They eliminated freedom of speech,
took away basic rights and jailed (or killed ) anyone who thought contrary to them .
Love to hear him speak truth, not politics or extreme religion.
Emperor has no clothes
Who is ‘him’??
Some religious fanatics really believe in religion that makes them sound and look stupid. Some of these fanatics are con artist, using the religion to make a living and if they are good enough they can become very rich by lying to gullible people.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
*PETER CARL BORMUTH, Petitioner,* *V.* *COUNTY OF JACKSON, MICHIGAN Respondent*
This Court also released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
Thank you, I love people who cite and give evidence. If you don't mind, I have saved this for my own. I wish you well.
Preach!!!!!!!
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" It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion." Exactly 100% wrong. The government can favor religion over atheism. Government should always favor the wise over the ignorant.
I don’t agree. Christian theology is the study of Jesus and His teachings, amongst other things in the Bible. Thomas Paines’ Common Sense makes no sense.
There’s only one group of people that have turned me away from religion, and that’s religious people themselves. I want no part of it.
He tried to overthrow the U.S. government and has the audacity to try to run for president??? Disgusting.
Keep praying for the Lord to bring him down. 🙏
😂😂😂😂😂@@richardmeyer4859
Walking contradiction
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Just look into matters and don’t take the msm narrative on everything. Propaganda is now legal in this country.
If Jesus were to return, Evangelicals would be the first to put him back up on the cross.
The evil of religion never fails to disappoint.
Awoman, from an ex altar boy.
You mean evil people use religion to exploit
Its not the religion. Its thier select passage IGNORANCE.
@@michaeldpa1333 yes but all you ever hear is fear oppression and the other with all religions. They never want to live and let live. They always want to oppress people they disagree with. There is no love in that. It's been like that since since the stupid concept that an imaginary friend who constantly wants praise is going to look after you in paradise is pathetic.
Being a grandchild of ministers, I've met many religious people. Being evangelical and being Christian are two different and often contradictory things. Evangelicals (proselytizers) are driven by a desire to control and dictate. Christians' are driven by the desire to show love and concern.
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Amen to that. Sadly, American Evangelicals have turned their backs on God, the teachings of Jesus, and true Christianity. Instead they have prostrated themselves to false doctrine, false gods (idolatry), hate, pride and intolerance. They have literally done everything the New Testament warns Christians against: they are blinded to the truth-too proud and deceived to see their folly and sin.
I lost my relationships with what I thought were people of good influence. Sadly, as a person loved by Jesus, I walk alone. I knew in my heart that what I was hearing from conservatives was evil. I don’t have a relationship with any family members either. It hurts me to see what they truly stand for. Heavenly Father I am sorry for the times I did believe the lie and lived it. From your daughter in TEXAS I pray in Your Sons name Jesus Christ!
A good Christian would forgive these people that you’ve lost relationships with. Right???
@@dr.jamesolack8504You can forgive people and choose not to be around them.
@@dr.jamesolack8504Forgive doesn't mean to agree, tolerate, nor accept or associate with. The Bible instructs Christians to disassociate from those who preach evil. Which is what she did as a true Christian.
@MariaGTexas ✝️✝️🙏🏾
Our founding fathers have put in our constitution that there's a separation of church and state but the evangelical right brings it back in with a candidate that had a church outside tear gassed just for a photo opp. and then held his supposed Bible upside down at that photo opp. He is no more of a Christian than I'm a brain surgeon 😷
Even though that seems to be their intent by reading the 1st Amendment ("Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion") it never actually says anything about separation of church and state. That was actually something written about by Thomas Jefferson years after the US Constitution was signed.
Trump held up that Bible like he was trying to sell it. He could since it was probably never opened.
I can respect this man. He sees Donald Trump for the person he is and not as a means to an end. He puts belief and ideology ahead of politics.
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Belief and ideology are the PROBLEM! This guy, at least to some extent puts those aside when it comes to politics- which is good.
You can show nothing of what you believe. It’s the reason church and state are separated.
'A mean to an end' is all that ANY politician amounts to. And the more important that 'end', the LESS important it is whether you like the guy or not. We don't need Trump to be a true believer...all we need is for him to protect our space...WE can do the rest...
@@your_being_led_by_your_nose Precisely where does the Constitution call for this 'separation'?
This is why I don't go to church anymore too.
I don't want to spend my time with Pharisees.
This guy is from my hometown, and he graduated with my brother. I pass by that church multiple times a day. Kinda cool that a Christian from my hometown holds the same beliefs on Trump as me.
Yeah it is cool to have your hometown represented. I pass by cornerstone multiple times a month. My family still attends. His dad was a good man. I don’t align with Tim’s beliefs about the separation of church and state though or trump for that matter. But I am sad to hear people brought these issues up to him at his dads funeral.
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I left the church because of the extreme violence and hate Trump's presidency cultivated. I am so happy to hear this gentleman's words. Honestly, I almost turned it off. I saw the church building and that his dad was a pastor and thought, "ok, here we go." Im happy I didn't. I hope there are more Christians like him. In my geographical location, it's very extreme. My uncle was the pastor of our church for 30 years. I was raised in it and taught in ministry for years. Things like Bible studies, youth ministries, marriage ministry, praise and worship, etc. I would have never ever believed there would come a day that not only would I leave the church but completely distance myself from faith. I'm questioning everything. It's a scary place to stand.. im comforted by this gentleman's words. I seriously hope and pray that there are more of him than there are of "them."
Church leaders need to spew it out for senile seniors like me….hard to read between the lines !
We’re here! It’s been a hard several years but I’m still hanging onto my faith. If there aren’t voices in your orbit that can critically speak about the folly of the Church and the cultural Right at the moment, I recommend most things being produced by Christianity Today who seem to have kept their head and integrity during this mania. (The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and The Bulletin podcasts are excellent). I wish you only good things in your journey.
I hope there are fewer people like this guy!
I pray that God raises up more people like Trump, who are countering the corruption in politics today.
The church has been complacent, and mistakenly believed we shouldn’t be involved in politics. But every king and every judge in the Old Testament was both a political and religious leader. The Bible clearly teaches that society suffers when wickedness reigns and when the righteous aren’t in power.
I also went to a church that was extreme, and I find that the left in the United States to be more like them than the right. Evangelical leftists. Just different gods.
Trump IS the poster boy for corruption in politics. He will break any law or ethical standard to gain power and wealth for himself. If you want a dictator who is totally immoral, he's your man! @@cy8685
This is sickening. They are not Christian if they or you vote for trump. Make them pay taxes.
Make You non-christian*
So Christians must vote for Biden
or they aren't Christians? That's essentially what you are saying
Trump's parents went to the church of Norman Vincent Peale, so that was where the family "belonged" in terms of faith. Peale was one of the most notorious "preachers of success", the branch of evangelical thinking that the wealth and worldly success of a guy are a direct reflection of his being on good terms with the Lord, like "God loves the Rich, and people who are Poor have not understood God".
😂 How can you call yourself a Christian if you DIDN’T vote for Trump? How can you call yourself a Christian if you’re a Democrat? Do you really think God is for abortion? For shutting down the church? For forcing people to violate their religious beliefs? Democrats have supported all that and Republicans have resisted it. Trump is very clearly on the side of the church!
I admire this man being able bro remain grounded in both his faith and his clear insight into following Christ not our desires for power.
Yes; Trump winning in 2016 gave Christians power. Power to continue to freely practice our principals, values & beliefs! That's why it matters! But now, since Biden, we live in a banana republic pushing communist, woke, & anti-God ideals ;(
I second that notion.
Too bad. I have no respect for him at all, because he’s completely missing the point. Even Jesus talked about the importance of having power. He commended people in places of power who had faith and understood how the power structure works.
The guy in this video has the exact attitude that got us where we are today - that is, the church failing to take its rightful place in the political arena to guard against wickedness in the land. And now look where we are today.
@CY8685 Go cry about it.
@@cy8685 What church is that? If you want to inject a particular theology into government, that's called a theocracy. Go start your own country if that's what you want. Read up on the 1791 Treaty of Tripoli if you don't believe in separation of church and state. BTW, if churches aim to get political, they should start paying taxes.
What happened to separation of church and state Jesus was not involved in politics
May God bless this man for speaking the truth.
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Which god?
Osiris?
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@@CitizenX815 The Almighty God!!
@@Mindovermatter767 and I assume you can provide some evidence that this so-called almighty God is real?
I'm 49 and have been in the evangelical community my whole life. I've become so disillusioned by the whole Trump MAGA influence upon the community. I could say so much about this, but the bottom line is that it's just another false gospel - the false gospel of American nationalism and right wing politics. All false gospels have one thing in common - they take Jesus and try to mold Him into something that Scripture does not support, in order to further an agenda.
The thing that strikes me as the most shocking attribute of Trump and aspect of following Trump, is the idiocy. Trump will say things that are idiotic on their face today. He will tell obvious lies every day. Even his policy proposals are strikingly stupid, and have failed in no small part for that reason. And yet… they follow while praising his brilliance. It’s mind boggling.
And Joe Biden never told a lie, and all of his policies have made us all so wealthy and safe.
Well said, my friend.
Only a person mentally ill saw a magic Elvis in the window,. and dedicated their trust to it even if it meant thier life !
Idiotic on their face today you say. Can you give me some examples. And what policy proposals are you speaking of can you name them as well?
@@Susannah472 Actually, I responded well before you claimed that I wouldn't. Keep it up guys, you're making my case beautifully.
If the media loves your religion you might want to take another look at it.
In my 52 years I’ve seen ONLY about 4 churches that weren’t ALL POLITICS. crooked republican politics in most churches Everywhere.
You should get out more!
and have you been a Pro-Hamas University Professor at Harvard for quite some time now? That's nice.
@@ianmayes8072 I do. Just not to fraudulent places like churches. Thanks for playing.
I think that one reason that America has so many 'dodgy' churches is that for a couple of hundred years European nations used it as a dumping ground for fringe Christian sects who were being a pain. After two centuries of Reformation and Counter Reformation the people of England, for instance, were tired of all of this and were incredibly tolerant of what in past days would have been called 'heresy', Greek for 'different thinking'., and it was tolerated. Case in point the so called 'Pilgrim Fathers'. actually a sect called 'Brownists'. They wanted everyone to conform to their off-beat ideas but were told "That's what you believe? Get on with it, just stop trying to convert everyone else. Disgusted at not being made martyrs they went to Holland where the Dutch did the same thing. So the Brownists went off in a huff and sailed for the New World. And the rest, as they say, is Phoney History, a precursor of Fake News...I would contend that a 'spiritual' element is good in society when it allows for quiet discussion and consideration of matters other than the pursuit of monetary wealth. But that is just my opinion,🙃@@hbgriss
I was a "born again Christian" most of my life. But after George W. and Trump, I will never be a Christian again! A matter of fact I see a violent struggle happening if Trump ever comes back to office.
Thank you Tim for speaking out. My born again evangelical faith has nothing to do with what DT or is enablers say or do. It is based upon what my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ has already done for me and is continuing to do. I am a Never Trumper and voting for President Biden to help keep DT and his enablers out of the White House. The GOP is RIP!!
Many who call themselves "evangelical" have allowed themselves to be deceived and are promoting an antichrist DT (one who opposes in character and deed everything my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ represents and has ever taught).
Just like a person can call themselves an evangelical christian you can also call yourself a cheeseburger but that does not mean it is true!
God knows the heart of a person and will judge all accordingly. No one is getting away with anything including DT and all his enablers. So, repent of your sins and place your trust in Jesus Christ before it is too late.
@jeffwalther, sir, you don't have to give up your relationship with Christ just because you disagree politically with someone. After all Jesus was the least political person to ever walk on the earth. Stay true to him, and that is where your strength to persevere will come from.
Catholics are not like that .
That perspective (lamentation?) of a "violent struggle" - if Trump returns to office, haunts me. You know they'll be nationwide protests once he and his supporters begin to make real his dark promises. If he imposes the insurrection act and the soldiers begin shooting people the country will explode. None of it has to be. Unfortunately, we're in a moment of deep moral apathy and confusion.
Jesus word of prophesy is "destroy your guns." I don't hear this from so called "Christians" these days. @@Connie53
I stopped going to a church bc of how political it got. It was the one place I thought I could come together with others in peace and discuss love, tolerance, and faith during a time when
our country was so divided.
You're doing great work. Praying for you to keep going🙏
Same ❤ God bless!
I left when the male pastors started talking down to single women and tried to oppress them to do the pastor's will. Disgusting display of power hungry men.
@@firefx99 exactly 💯
I too struggled with my Christianity watching MAGA televangelist discard and mock the teachings of Christ while worshiping mean spirited Trump.
I left my church, but I joined another denomination! 🙏🏿
Have you ever heard tRump say "GOD Bless America" or "God Bless Anyone"...then why would religious believe tRump about anything he says...
I lost every friend I had because I didn’t vote for Trump therefore I must not love God. Sigh. I just don’t understand it. Longtime friends of 40 years, good, Christian women…….whatever THAT means. Loved this segment. Made me feel not quite as alone.
And, I can say the same thing about my Liberal friends upon discovering I was an Independent with conservative Leanings. Guess they were never my friends to start with.
More power to you, my friend. 👍
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@bill2066 yea right 😅😅😅
i dont understand cartoon faces. What are you referring to @@my98-ot7jj
At 5:37 when he says “power” it gave me chills. I think he hit the nail on the head.
@missinterpretation... Wow!! 5:37 gives *chills* .. He is incredibly speaking the truth. THANK you ❤🙏👍
@@Readthis880.. May God open the eyes of your Understanding 🙏
As a Christian, I am very careful about who I vote for. If Jesus would not vote for that person then neither will I. Though I could certainly be wrong, I can not imagine Jesus being ok with the things Trump does and says.
Dumpster is a joke .And the joke is on us all.
Would Jesus vote? I doubt it.
If you have a shred of hate in you for your fellow man, then know nothing about the teachings of JESUS!!!!!!! Also, you are not practicing being a good Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President Biden needs to create an IRS department that specifically audits tax exempt organizations. No more complacency, time to shut the BS down. I'm black and also feel this way about NAACP - our house burned down and they didn't even have a referral list of minority contractors for our rebuild. 🤨
I left the Republican Party when Reagan took in the religious right
I voted against Reagan in 1980; he was an easy read, even for a twenty-year-old.
@@dannmarceau And it turned out he was one of the best presidents we've ever had...
@@keesvanoosbree5911 If you completely leave out the other 45