How a Lectron Carburetor Saved Me $$$, and Why I Chose it Over EFI or TPI
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I hope you're recovering well, Tyler.
I don't want to rain on your parade but in all honesty if lectrons were so great then the bikes would come with them. They're simpler and cheaper to manufacture than the Keihins which are complex and highly refined.
I get that for "mechanical idiots" as you refer to yourself it's all black magic and a lot easier to bolt on something that's already been dialed in to deliver reasonable a/f ratio. Agreed, there's a lot to adjust on the stock carb. And it's not simple as it all interacts. But for those with a mindset to dominate and a background in physics and mechanics it becomes intuitive. Sounds like yours had an issue with needle/seat sealing and/or float height. I dialed mine in and have instant smooth predictable throttle response, smooth cruising, gotten over 36 mpg, worst of 32 mpg, average over 34 mpg, range exceeds 180 miles. That's over an altitude difference from sea level to 4600' above, temps from in the forties to the nineties (altitude is cooler, somewhat offsetting the density difference due to altitude alone) and over four years. I would take it to Utah as is and not be surprised if it's good enough without any further leaning. So that's the flip side of the coin.
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I dont even ride offroad ride or own a 2 stroke. Just love the content.
Man U need a 2 stroke. It’s a blast man!
In my opinion, these newer carbs like LECTRON and SMARTCARB are the way to go, offering the smoothness of EFI with the reliability of a carburetor. Totally worth the money.
Absolutely, and with the ease of adjustment to the power jet / metering rod on the Electron Billetron you can get different power variations from the carb. This combined with changes to power valve spring options and preload tensions makes power variations endless. I love it.
Love that you don’t bend for a product and respect your “ producers”! “In the morning “
Loved that single-track! Looking forward to getting back out there again! Definitely something to be said for the simplicity of a carb bike! I liked the video format for this one, it worked really well...the handlebar setup video suited the static walkthrough. Looking forward to more like these.
I appreciate this video! Always been curious about Lectron carbs, and it was nice to see some good feedback. Thanks!
I have a 17’ TE300, I put a Lectron from Slavens on my bike, fouled a plug about 10 miles into a trail, one phone call to Slavens and a trail side adjustment and it’s been perfect ever since. None of this was lectrons fault. I installed it and went out, not smart I know, but simple adjustment on metering rod and done. Would certainly buy another!
Love your videos, if I ever get the time, I’m coming to Utah to ride.
Probably my favorite motovlogger. You always keep me stoked to make more videos man.
Would love to see a Lectron carb install video, tuning, and review for the DRZ400!!! Even if it's you and some buddies doing the install.
Awesome video my friend! I also live in Utah and just got a 2021 yz250. The Keihin carb hasn’t been horrible but it seems like I’m always having to mess with it. Finally pulling the trigger on a Lectron. The change in altitude really messes with these poor 2 strokes. Keep up the awesome content 🤘🏼
Amen brother, I love my Lectron. I did a test when I came down to ride with you a couple years ago with my 2016 Beta 300 RR Race edition. The second day we went to Warner valley and did 85 miles. I didn't add any fuel during the ride. Wen I got home I fully drained the tank. (Left it on the bike though) I had .68 gal of fuel left from a 2.5 gal tank so the bike consumed 1.82 gal over 85 miles. The gave me 46.7 mpg. Not bad for a 300 2 stroke.
I've ridden with you down at 3000+/_ ft in St.George and up to 11000 on top of skyline drive in central Utah without a single adjustment. In fact after my small initial adjustment six months before I came down there and I've not touched it since. For me the Lectron does everything I could hope for and more. Even better, I keep the simplicity and reliability of a 2 stroke.
"Dream bike dirt build" at the very end, but it makes its own sense. Love that!
Great video and so many of the main points why I spent the cheddar for my Lectron you hit on. No jetting for elevations, highly tunable and not blocked off and limited like so many stock carbs are now, great reliability and simple function, no sensors, wires or other electrical gremlins screwing up your ride when your 50 miles from the truck. Gas mileage would just be a bonus as my 4.7 gallon tank already lasts forever
Great video as always!
Another great review. Thanks, dude
Back in the early to mid 70's I apprenticed at a small motorcycle repair business for a few years and I remember the owner praising the Lectron carb and it's benefits. He ended up purchasing one for his Maico 250. Being a motorcycle mechanic ended up not being my chosen profession so I never really got to learn about the Lectron. I'll have to do some research for a possible DR build in the future.
This is interesting stuff Tyler. I hadn't heard about this carb before you.
Wow this was a beautiful ride!!! 🙌
Been wanting one for my DR..hope to hear how it works out for yours! 👍
I owned the emig racing's showcase dr650 and installed a lectron on it. Ran so much better. Startup was a little iffy when cold but it was great. Fuel mileage went up and power
For me, in Wisconsin we have a lot of temperature changes. One day it’s 67 and cloudy the next is sunny, extremely humid and 92 degrees. Not to mention my 2004 rm250 had a worn needle jet, so I got a lectron on the way for it. My rmz450 definitely spoils me with it’s FI.
Dude, your content is so well presented and cleanly done...who is honestly giving it a thumbs down unless they are just a troll?
On their latest model they moved to choke location and power jet to the left hand side. And the length of the carb is shorter so its close to stock length. Along with lots of other upgrades. MP
I use the smart carb 2 on my 18 300 XC with excellent results. Easy Tune with no tools. Holding off as long as possible before going tpi.
Second the billet aluminum Smart Carb 2, the Poor Man's 2-stroke Fuel Injection!
06 CRF450X Rider. Put a Boyesen Powershot on my carb (stock jetting) and it has always run fantastic even up in the mountains. The bike has been ultra reliable. Never a problem with it. I have thought about the Lectron, know people with them (on KTM and Beta cause they need one) but never was motivated enough to actually buy because my bike is great the way it is.
I put a Mikuni pumper on my XR650r and once I got it dialed it runs perfect from my 1100 ft home base all the way up to 10,000, which is as high as I uave taken it. No adjustments needed so far, and it Fing RIPS!!
I put a Mikuni TM 40-6 on my XR600 and had the same experience
Good to know guys,🧐 My elevation changes where Im at are = sitting to standing🤣. Mik makes great carbs, just gotta jet em if you change stuff🔧, but once set- yummy 🥳
I had a 77 Bultaco 370 Frontera with a Lectron carb. It ran crisp at any RPM.
We need to see one on the drz 400. I want to get one eventually but haven't seen too many videos in depth of a drz with one.
So happy to see you on a dirt queen
. For what we enjoy.. the dirtbike (esp us that love hard trails and less road) the enduro dirtbikes(husky beta sherko gas gas ktmxc) seeing you on a 2t.. it's so awesome hasn't it? It's amazing.. it's so capable and lightweight. You feel so much faster but nearly afraid of the throttle (if you bought an mx bike)
Good job! I feel like I can trust your reviews and recommendations! Will this carb company help out my 2006 KLR 650?
Lectron has a carb package specifically for the KLR. Love it on my 18.
The Lectron is intriguing. Always like interesting tech that is reliable.
A well setup stock carb can actually get as good or better mileage than a lectron. One of my buddies has a lectron and my bike has over half a gallon left when he runs out. For the altitude, I ride from 5000ft to over 12,000ft regularly with no jetting changes. That said the lectron or smart carb are solid choices for those who lack the desire or abilities to fix the stock carb.
I had a lectron on my KDX220 and loved it. If I ever get another 2 stroke it’ll have to be oil injected. Can always fill up at any gas station on longer rides without worrying about carrying extra oil.
Had it on a couple of road bikes, it's a game-changer honestly, you don't realise how much more freedom you will have until you have it.
they sell oil at gas stations lol
@@PazLeBon If you know how to mix in your tank, if they have good 2-stroke oil, if they have any 2-stroke oil at all (not guaranteed in Aus at least). Some do, many don't.
Any thoughts on the 2020 Kawasaki KLX 300R? Of course, I would have to get a street legal light kit, and plate it. It does seem like it fills that hole of light weight, powerful, low maintenance, up-to-date Enduro bikes that we all seem to be chasing.
Had heard of Lectron from a couple of other YT channels. Just confirmed they had a kit for my 2003 640 Adventure(s) which tend to suffer from boggy carbs. Same price (or better) than a pumper carb replacement. *rubs hands together*
A lectron for my 2002 640 adv should be showing up today. Fingers crossed. I sent Kevin ( pres of lectron ) my OEM carb so he could get the fitment exactly right. Also getting one for a CR125 big bore that will be a lwt class ice racer to go with my KX500 ice bike. (which also has a lectron )
@@5AXISDLOCKHART Anxious to hear what you think of the Lectron on your 640 ADV. Please let me know.
DANG, all those lil ledge ups at the begining would be great. should make some alternate routes
A buddy of mine, BeRad, swears by the them. I'm thinking about one for my DR650 (supermoto'd right now)... pricey, but sounds like they're the "dog's bollocks" as we say. :D
I had a Lectron on my 2018 300XCW. I noticed that it distorts the air boot/airbox enough such that my filter cage doesn’t sit flat. There is a gap on the top right side. Has anyone else noticed this issue? Currently, I am using the Mikuni again to be safe. I bought a new air boot and will try to heat it so that it will accommodate the added length of the Lectron. What are you guys doing?
The dirt looks great there..IAM jeoulous
My 2022 EFI Beta has had so many problems with altitude and stuff, wish I had an older 2 stroke with a smartcarb/lectron
I really like my stock CV carb. I thought about a Lectron for a long time, but my XR650L has been great from sea level up to about 7,000 feet. I'll be testing it in Colorado for the BDR, so we'll see how it goes. I have also read that the XR650L specifically doesn't benefit a whole lot from fuel economy or power because the powerband is so wide that you are sacrificing power somewhere in the rev range. I think researching the benefits for your specific machine is worth it. The XR didn't have a lot of hard data for the lectron and $300 or so is quite a bit of a leap to make for something I may not end up liking.
That said, I have read that the Lectron is great for racing and especially great on two strokes. I think if you change elevation and you don't have a CV carb as stock, the Lectron is probably a good idea.
Thanks for the video. It was informative and unbiased. It's good to hear success stories about the Lectron.
If it ain't broke don't fix it really
@@lachlan519 lol yeah thats pretty much how I see it.
CV carbs have their own drawbacks, but I think you're right that the argument of Lectrons working better over a range of altitudes is really more in comparison to the slide carbs on many off-road bikes.
I put on on my crf650l. Somebody selling you s bad bill of goods, I totally changed mine. Fuel economy went up response was like my brothers pumper carb on his crf650l. Worth every penny!
I've got a Lecteon on order for my crf 250x
EveRide discount code for Lectron? Lol I need 2 for both my DRZs
Excellent review as always! I've been running a 30mm Lectron on my 200 EXC for the past few years and love it. I've set my bike up as a poor man's Beta Xtrainer and it works beautifully. I did try the 4-stroke carb on a plated WR450 I had briefly and while it ran well, it made the bike feel like a DRZ400 with the stock CV carb. The power was so smooth that it seemed to take away from the performance that the pumper carb provides. Just something to keep in mind for those thinking about replacing a pumper carb with one. Those who have replaced a CV carb for the Lectron report being quite happy with the increased throttle response and lack of needing to dial in a pumper carb.
How does the throttle response for this compare between a CV carb versus a pumper carb? I've got a properly jetted DRZ-400S but I'd like some snappier response and I'm wondering if this would help.
Its like the best of both worlds. Throttle response of a Pumper with the self correcting metering of a CV.
a stock carb is never jetted correctly. elevation changes or not, you still have temperature and humidity to deal with, constantly. spring, summer, fall, even morning to afternoon changes your fuel air ratio. I installed a Lectron on a 2016 300 xc and could not believe how well the bike ran. like I had always dreamed of it running. And this was previously with a JD Jetting kit, which was better, but the Lectron is a total game changer. the air boot can be easily trimmed for the 38H series, the new Billetron 38 is shorter, no need to trim the air boot
At what elevation changes it would worth to buy a lectron?
Yooo.. Does Lectron carb fit into kawasaki klx 150?...
leaking with no petcock cannot be coccectly jetted no matter what you say :) the level in the carb is newer constant with such and you are either rich or to rich which is why you had the huge fuel consumption. the stuttering happens when there is some 30-40% excess in fuel delivered. :)
re, counterbalanced 2t is a thing from the past for road and rad race bikes. on dirt bikes it was not used as "weight saving" but it also reduces power of the engine etc. its happy/sad that KTM had finally decided to implement that ancient technology
Tpi is fuel injection. It's mechanism is a bit different than 4 stroke efi but it's essentially the same.
Exactly. Not really necessary to differentiate each time. They all use injectors. Doesn't really matter where the fuel is injected - intake port, transfer port, combustion chamber, etc. Just say carb or injected.
How don't you need to re jet it? I ride fully uncorked XR650L? Just did daves mod 2 days ago.... went from stock jetting 150/52 to 155/60 live at sea level in oceanside Ca.
The Lectron has no jets. It's variable venturi so it has adjustments. Once set it regulates itself according to available airflow - which is what changes with altitude / air density changes......
So do you have to adjust the Lectron when you go from 1500' to 8000'??
No. Its a variable venturi and meters fuel according to airflow - which airflow changes with altitude/density changes.....
you'll want stabilisers on yer automatic bike next
How about on the dr650
Lectron carbs come with terrible throttle cables, throw them away, the float bowl seals leak slowly... but once you get the right tuning and rig up the right cable they are solid besides a slight drop in bottom end power early
theyre slow, and who rides saving fuel? commutors
@@PazLeBon what do you mean by they are slow? the carbs?
@@premix3663 Lectrons are lazy off the line
My Lectron isn't slow off the line. Clutch less wheelies on a KLR 650 geared for the Hwy.
Matter of fact Electrons are well known for having great throttle response... If you don't know how to tune YMMV.
I'll be interested in your thoughts if you put one on your DRZ. I got one and I have a vacuum lock problem - the air flow through the carb is strong enough to jamb the slide against the housing at idle making the throttle stick between idle and around 1/4 throttle. It makes it really hard to shift and to lug on trails. I have the 3x3 mod and a FMF Q4 on it. I sent it back to Lectron, they worked on it, returned it, and the issue is unresolved. Other than that, it is an improvement over the stock Mikuni, but I wouldn't say it's as big a difference as what you're describing for a 300 2T.
Have you ridden any other bikes with flat or cylinder slide valves, instead of the butterfly valves as in the stock Mikuni CV?
Not saying it doesn't cause difficulty, but I suspect what you're experiencing is normal operation. I'm still not quite used to it on my bike that uses a cylinder slide valve, coming from a bike with a butterfly.
@@kinguin7 I have a two stroke dirt bike with a slide - 300 2T. I don't think that counts though. I made my comment more because I haven't been able to find anyone else saying they have this issue on the DRZ so I was wondering if it was a problem with my bike/Lectron specifically.
@@M.C.A.T. I won't tell you it's not something wrong, but I didn't find anyone talking about the throttle "sticking" shut on the XR650R either. Sorta gotten used to ignoring it, but definitely is an annoyance.
i really want a lectron for my DR650 but 800$ is just too much.... especially when you think about the shipping and tax i have to pay to get it to europe. it would cost me about 900€
get a good bike for that
Seriously considering a Lectron for my DR650, would you recommend it for that application??
I would recommend the TM40 for the DR650.. Its one of the best mods I've done to the dr.. Been on some high elevation changes also. With no issues... Two strokes go Lectern all day.
To each their own of course. I have a DR650 with stock carb, as well as a DR650 with the TM40. I honestly enjoy both bikes the same amount. You can get a cheap jet kit from procycle for the stock carb. You'll notice a bigger difference by investing in tires and sprockets. the difference from the TM40 and stock is very minimal IMO.
I would be interested in a Lectron on a DR review as well. I currently have an FCR-MX on my DR and its been very very good. The power delivery and throttle response is night and day over stock carb and better than the TM40 IMO. I had the TM40 before the FCR. FCR has been better for me. Its not terible at altitude, but does suffer a bit and I wonder about the Lectron. Fuel economy improvement would be great, as well, if that were to pan out, etc.
Would you recommend a lectron for a Klr 650?
We put on on my brothers klr, he said he gets a week of commuting whereas he only got 3.5 days before.
Absolutely. Love the Lectron on my 18.
Just fitted a Lectern on my YZ250X.. Im looking forward to the fuel savings.. I think the carb will pay for itself over time.
The cables suck rig up the stock one
@@premix3663 I didn't have any trouble with the motion pro cable.
If I knew about the Lectron carbs - I'd have not sold off my Bonnie.
Fuel injection is best but if you don't have a bike that has that this is the way to go
All of his comments of the downside of the lectron isn't true of the new Billitron carb. The choke is where it should be and it's the same size as stock, watch the vid I made on my channel.
Should have bought a SmartCarb. 🤷♂️ Decades ahead of a Lectron.
Should be- same designer 🤣
He didn't buy it, it was given to him...which is the only time when you hear people pretend to like the power Lectron makes.
@@beauhawk1146 you're probably right. The bottom end with a lectron is quite disappointing. The SmartCarb produces great bottom end though it has its issues too. More good then bad though.
Lectrons are indeed amazing. Easy to maintain. Work well. Reliable. But... honestly, not sure if they are REALLY worth the money.
The joy of paying for patent rights 🙄 but your right it your on a budget👍
Ya but they don’t make them for my bikes I have a 1986 Yamaha xt 350 and 85 Yamaha xt 600
😉😉
Your float was stuck.
Nope, the tmx has a float valve seat that has an o-ring that fails and leaks fuel around the seat.
Carb bikes can run without a battery. Fi does not
SmartCarb is still a better product
Nope - not for the DRZ. I believe that the DRZ works best with EFI and I have two Fuel injected DRZ's.
Yes John, but not everyone's a automation systems integrator like you 🤣 You've built a real interesting gizmo there🤔 I gotta give you that. 👍 You know your way around a Micro Squirt👏 but for this mere mortal Ill keep eyeballing a Lectron or keep playing with my jets. Best wishes and all respect 😎
I don't know from all your smoke and mirrors-the Lectron carb is the most expensive carb on the market and the results are in. If tuned perfectly you can get them to perform as good as the stock carb with just a few flat spots and 2500 rpm. Bottom line is they are a tremendous waste of money. They don't deliver anything near what the manufacturer promises.