The Paradox of Enlightenment in Buddhism's GREATEST Book
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- The paradox of enlightenment on the spiritual path is about how the desire for liberation constitutes an obstacle to the actual attainment. In this episode of The Sacred Word, I will explore the last obstacle before enlightenment as explained by Nagarjuna in the famous Buddhist text, Mūlamadhyamakakārikā.
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"The surest signs of spiritual progress
are a lack of concern about spiritual progress and an absence of anxiety about liberation."
-Ramesh S. Balsekar
@@learningcurve6450 Or also a faker, who pretends to themself (or others).
@@learningcurve6450, yes but in this case we are talking about someone who IS interested in spiritual progress. To be interested in spiritual progress without being overly concerned (obsessed or anxious) with measuring it or comparing oneself to others, spiritually, is a "good" measure of spiritual progress.
I found my proverbial self when I quit looking for me /or my personal story in the play
Saved that quote!
I've been suffering with mental health issues for 10 years plus, anxiety, depression etc, one night a few years ago I was in really bad shape all alone in my room, crying, sweating, panicking, asking myself what was wrong with me and I ran out my front door and truly gave up and surrendered, and in that moment a huge wave of euphoria hit me like some sort of drug and I was shocked, the feeling was so intense, I felt love from the inside out, it was so strange to me at the time, I walked back into my house and wondered what the hell just happened, sadly it didn't last, but what it taught me was there is something really powerful in letting go or surrendering.
Your experience sounds like a big burst of kundalini energy in the system. I can recommend Jamie Munday, who speaks about the subject of Kundalini awakening.
After a kundalini awakening the pure state of ecstasy and bliss will fade away. It is not meant to stay there forever. A lot of people, myself included, have had a hard time after a kundalini awakening. We know we can not be the same person anymore, but yet our body and mind is not ready for the transformation. However through yoga and breathing you can begin to open up your body and strengthen your nervous system, so the kundalini can flow trough your body in a peaceful and natural way.
Funny thing isn't it, it sounds like you found the way, but tried to hold on to it, but there is nothing to hold onto. Good luck
Blessings to you friend
May you be delivered from all your anxiety and depression
May The Lord Deliver you from Ignorance to Reality
From Darkness unto Light
From Death to Immortality 🙏
a manic episode probably
Multă sănătate fericire și extaz Salutări din România 💙💛❤️
This meditative state, which is not really a state but who I really am, is the empty and ever-free awereness that is aware of a person saying "I want to be liberated". A big paradox indeed.
But where do you find this "person" you claim to be aware of? I haven't found one. Just thoughts found over here. You've found one? What did it look like? What were it's qualities? What was it made of?
@@benjaminwilliamson9580 Of course there is not such thing as a "person", it is just a bundle of thoughts, a forced identity. It is made of the same substance that the "world" is made of: Being-Conciousness. There is nothing but That.
@@benjaminwilliamson9580 here is the thing, mind is serving you. You are not mind. The one to whom this mind/ego is serving is that 'I' or spirit or the nondual. This is something you can Not experience as information and process through the mind. Look around for practices, you will find them. It's a journey bro. Not an instant stuff.
@@saiyanhead spirituality confuses more people than it helps. Just egos trying to be special
Don t know if you get what empty means
Mediation is who we truly are. The person is who we do. Beautiful.
Thank you.
Shanti shanti shanti
"...it's the meditation what you are.... it's the person that you do..." instant satori... thank you so much! My mind is permanent processing this sentence... I got goosebumbs everytime.
yeah, that caught me too. Kinda blew 'my' mind...heehee
As Watts said: "letting go of the Ego is the biggest Egotrip of all".
Brilliant mind Watts is. And Jason too obviously :-)
Statement is bigger than supernova and denser than black hole.
@@privatprivat7279 no, im afraid you missed the point this time.
I'm not sure Jason liked the quotation because of my compliment. He loves Watts too, as he already said in a previous video.
I don't know if i'm wise, and actually don't care if i am or not. All i know is that many wrongfully consider the dissolvment of the ego as a goal to reach. That's all. You are being over-analytical here.
@@privatprivat7279 glad you had a good time :-)
I love Watt's interpretation of the Ego as unnecessary stressing of an imaginary muscle akin to when a teacher says "pay attention!" in class. It doesn't really exist, but we make it come to existence because the world of humans force us into having an identity. That perspective provided me with some release from clinging onto my sense of ego.
My friends, "Ego" is "Neutral", it's "us" who feed it right or wrong. nothing to letting go... nothing to be gained(clinging)...
"Meditation is who you are a person is what you do. " wow. So very well put. I like that
I kind of realized this myself after constant meditation and detachment from all addictions, that We have been pretending to be someone, because of the journey we have had in life, the people we met, our experiences etc all have influenced who we are. All this has made the soul impure. But after meditating and removing all these layers one by one, I have begin to discover my true self. I feel like a new person, just this powerful energy that wants to come out, telling me that I have a huge purpose in this life, and that worldly pleasures, following the crowd, blending in etc are all unimportant.
Worldly pleasures and Following the crowd is not unimportant because you are also part of the crowd it’s different to you now because you don’t have too much expectations anymore your energy is not drained by worldly pleasures and crowd.
2nd Noble Truth is that craving is suffering, and it includes craving for liberation. The suttas also talk about "awareness liberation" (or release). Ajahn brahmavamso said that all dark mind state are processes and like a campfire that is blazing, and that there not much one can do when its blazing, but instead they should be mostly left to burn out on their own. I hope this helps.
What helps? There isn’t really anything that helps. A blazing campfire should be left to blaze on its own, that’s great. Someone throw water on it, end it’s blaze.
Even the thought of attaining nirvana is (what I understand) a disorientation - since we can't possibly attain what is already there. It's just like you said: removing the self, the "I", from our perception.
Once we stop being an obstacle to us, suddenly... nirvana.
This makes so much sense to me: [6:32] Meditation is who you are, the Person is what you do.
I am eternally grateful for your channel! "The Art of Letting go" drastically changed me life and you still seem to be the only person who has explained my spiritual journey and purpose with clarity. Thank you Jason, may you overflow with abundance and love 💞🌌✨️
I agree! Explains as clear as words allow
What's "the art of letting go"?
So glad that your channel exists on RUclips. Much love!
I just wanted to say that I can't stop watching your videos since I discovered them just recently. I am reading The Essential Chuang Tzu now. Thank you so much 🙏
This one encountered many egos that placed themselves on the short path to enlightenment, devoting much time to attempting to develop an understanding of emptiness. Most of these egos were very narcissistic, a few misguided, and all a long way from understanding. The paradox that this one encountered was during the development of compassion for all sentient beings, cultivating the desire to help release them from samsara and discovering that it was impossible to escape - to abandon those who suffer conflicts with the means of escape from samsara for the ego that takes the longer path. Eventually, this one concluded that the experience of living a mortal life was what was valuable, and stopped worrying about seeking enlightenment - some people are blessed to never have these concerns at all!
when i was 13 or 14 i became hiper espiritual. Like in a buddhist way, not in a religious way like believing in a certain god or profet etc. But i actually wanted to reach nirvana. And along the line somehow i developed like this "not being" attitude towards life. And as i grew older i realize that normal people judge me a lot for not wanting to be, like everyone is carried away by this river of existence and only i was able to stop, completely and actually see the world move around me. And i understood that people reincarnate because as they are not conscious yet they are not able to stop. Like to fully stop and contemplate everything and choose what they really want, they just live right here right in this "place" whatever this place is, some say this is planet prison etc. And believe they must do things in this realm, meanwhile i was able to be kinda like shiva "that which is not" i choose not to be. And its amazing how that exacerbates others around me, like they can not comprehend that concept, i dont know if its the way our western world is built or what, but its a curious fact about the beings in this realm
Such a clear explanation! Great work, Jason. Really appreciate your wisdom!
As we peel back the onion called the self you will find in the center is awareness and acting from awareness is the one true self.
Thank you for sharing your videos they have a way of being me back to the center.
Wrong. No such thing (or not-thing) as "awareness."
@@rjevans2728 You're a 100% correct awareness is not a thing it's a state of mind and the mind is not a thing
@@ericviolet3742 this is the trap I was alluding to.. No-thing/non-thing is still a mental construct. It's the presumed opposite of mind, which is likewise a concept. Prior to the spiritual storyline of the person, none of these states or processes mean anything. And actually they don't even "exist" without the psycho-linguistic concepts and the perception of linear time.
@@rjevans2728 👏👍very good thank you
Such are hard concept for me, but truly a life changer. I love that you always explain the vocabulary in your videos. Thank you Jason, the channel is a blessing. 🙏🏻
Spot on Jason! May all gain an awareness that social-conditioning (especially in the West) supports the industrial complex through dualism which takes one further from the source.
You provide great clarity and simplicity to the teaching
Meditation is who you are, the person is what you do. Amazing. Almost like meditation is the soul and person is just the vessel carrying the soul. Life should be about making the two into one powerful being
I love that, Meditation is who you are, the person is what you do.
And yet the statement is incorrect.
"Meditation" is an I-dependent concept (state) arising in time and in the waking state.
@@rjevans2728 No it's not, the state "meditation" is truly who you are. It only arises in time & in the waking state due to our full embracement of our egoic identity. Once you realize & experience the full extend of who you truly are the "meditative" state will be your natural default.
It's the egoic identity which is born, experiences fear and who will eventually die. It's the egoic identity who always pushes you to do something because it's always lacking something. It's the egoic identity that always conjures up all those thoughts and stories in your mind, it's you giving it attention and therefore draining your energy.
Or do you mean to tell me that you are the thinker of your own thoughts? If that's true, how can you be observing it at the same time while not pondering every single letter of every word of every sentence of every thought.
The statement is like that because it not only sets things right, but at the same times makes you think deeper about why it's like that:
To reach the meditative state all you have to do, is absolutely nothing.
@@vendettamedianl that's all narrative in time. Nama rupa, hiding behind the cop-out of ineffability.
Thought implies knower and known. Neither are or aren't.
The observer position is a subtle concept; a projected experience within the spiritual storyline of the person.
"All pointers point to what is not. . . When you grasp the objective of spirituality, you understand that 'spirituality' is also part of the mirage." -Nisargadatta
@@rjevans2728 Don't get caught up with definitions (including your preconceptions about meditation) It is my understanding that: Pure, loving, conscious awareness (Being) is who you are (the "I Am" feeling), the physical body and it's thoughts and actions are what Awareness is doing and ultimately distracting the Jiva (conceptual self) from the natural state of pure being.
🧘♂️ no concepts, no thoughts, just stillness ⚫️
@@infinitenothingness irony
Meditation is who You are. The person is what you do. Nice.
I loved that quote! Jason is one good dude 😎
I always look forward to your interpretations Brother. Breaking away from chains of society, and trying to achieve spiritual freedom is an awesome task but so worth it. Thanks
Assume that you are, John C. Namaste
Thank You 🙏 so much for the Excellent Explanation !! 💗
Thanks for sharing peace and love to you Jason ❤️
A wonderful video! Thank you!
Thank you, Jason! You are a true blessing!
Just what I needed to hear. Perfect timing.
This came at the exact time i needed it. Thank you Jason
This exact thought comes to me from time to time. My aim to become desireless in life is actually a desire itself.
Awesome- Much Love and Gratitude for leading us into God realisation. Shanti Shanti Shanti
Love this channel
Thank you for putting it so on a point. Guess being in a now moment and observing is the only way.. shanti shanti shanti he.
The acceptance of all being in total perfection without judgments seems to be fundamental to this entire thing. That concept is one that "I" struggled with for a incredibly long time.
Brilliant video Jason. Thank you for this reminder.
Wow. What a great insight 🙏❤️
The Heart sutra or Prajnaparamita,is very clear about this 😊Thankyou .
that was very helpful. Thank You !!!
🙏
Thanks Jason 😻👍
Thank you brother may all that hear your gentle soul find that piece of peace🦍❤️⌚🌊
I needed to hear this. This perception of enlightenment is new to me 🙏
I've actually been considering this very topic for the past few days. And, strangely enough, it seems Christianity addresses this paradox in a very subtle, yet central, way. It becomes obvious, after some number of years on the path, that the ego identity cannot release itself; yet it does the desiring. And further, it becomes known that only the higher Self, the Christ self can accomplish the feat. So in a very real way, the Jiva must turn to the Atman; must befriend and abide with its presence. (or in Christian terminology, the sinner must turn to Christ) This can be accomplished through good works, through meditation, through fasting, through reading of sacred texts. Each one brings the awareness/experience of the universal presence which is beyond the egoic trap. And that presence itself IS what begins to dissolve the illusion of personal selfhood.
This is such a beautiful interpretation of "the sinner has to turn to christ". Thank you so much for your comment, I love it 😇💜🙏🏻
Too bad your brethren do such awful things in the belief they are doing "good works". Not your fault.
Splendid!
♥ thank you for helping to explain all of this, it's very helpful ♥ bless you! ♥
Thank you for your help.
I’ve been on a soul search for 4 years, and now I realise that I’m being told to go back to how I was before I decided to go on my soul search.
My entire life as a kid was ‘meditative’ at heart and mind, but then I had the thrill of connecting dotes and went down the path of psychoanalysis. When I did that, I understood people better, but I also believed I was “understanding myself” better.
As it turns out, I only did in a factual way, and lost sight of what it meant to be “me”. Basically, the character/person that you strive to be, as they are your ideal, should not be followed by their actions, as that only comes as a result of what their true self is like, instead, imitate their “true self” mentally, to free yourself and act in the direction that you consider as the ideal would.
However, that’s where thoughts play an important role, planning.
Decide, is your ideal really perfect?
If your ideal is something that is driven by the feeling of revenge and tyrannical persistence for a sense of power, is that really the best way to feel good and have this sense of control?
No.
That is why you should ask yourself, “what would the protagonist do?”, and by doing so, you can come closer and closer to being the protagonist, so long as you place the protagonist in your own world’s circumstances, (and be very sure to adapt your person’s actions based on the adapting of environment, since the world is bound to change if you are too.).
Just as a reminder, the protagonist is someone who is a hero, a person of SELF SACRIFICE, so do not harm others for the sake of your short or long term goals.
That is all.
I feel very similar I've been on a journey of trying to figure out why I am the way I am and to understand others but the truths is I now feel more disconnected from myself and others. To much thinking and not enough being.
@@Bigdogiswolfing Well, do I HAVE THE SOLUTION FOR YOU!
I just simply payed attention to things without any intention. Having intention sparks thought, and removes the purity of the situation. SO, by paying attention to something (with complete awareness, since you can end up doing it instinctively, which is the worst form of disconnect), then you will be able to have more of this "being"rather than simply thinking.
However, my job requires me to think, and my solution for that is to merge my imagination with my reality.
When day dreamihng, you can change your loctation, character, perspective, etc. However, when you are trying to imagine, for example, an imaginary friend, it's a lot harder since you need to project them in you current, physical space, AND create appropriate responses on their behalf, to create the type of atmospheric conversation you have with them. This effort, thogh holding some disconnect, is better than the habitual "shower thoughts", and in that case, you are likely to realise that you are alive in this very moment.
Also, one last thing, being restful in every mooment, even while doing the supposed "hard work", is a possible state of being that CAN be sustained, in order to do so however, you must stop yourself from doing any and all habits, "good" and "bad", as these are other forms of disconnect. YOU MUST ALWAYS be aaware of the fact that you are alive right now. Sure, your worst moments will be very clear to you, but your best moments will be too. And because of that, you're bound to do the things that you genuinely want to do, since all that is left IS you.
Sorry for the long philosophical talk, but I REALLY want to get as manyh like minded people out of this annoying cycle of self-help, and start living their lives as the idealistic children they once were, despite their wisedom gained from a cynical past.
If you're overthinking my perspective in believing that I'm defeating the purpose by writing these ïmpulsive responses, then let tell you you are DEAD WRONG, ahahaha. I actually haven't ddone this sort fo thing in months, but since you talk, I will talk back, it is as simple as that.
Anyways, I wish you all good luck, and have fun trying to take over the world!!
thank you so much 💕
Giving the blessing of Shanti is a beautiful thing but a blessing should be given with an open hand Palm out not a single finger the single finger 'hurts'. Love what you do Jason keep up the good work.
With love, Jim ❤🙏❤
🙏🏼..Your explanation is so simple and easy to understand immediately upon listening to your words Jason. I truly appreciate that. Thank you 🙏🏼. I never considered that the desire for freedom is in itself a Desire of the physical being but we can simply “be free” when we understand that we already are free.
Absolute truth. The desire for freedom is is in itself a desire of the physical being
Thank U, infinite intelligence. ♾
beautiful
THANK YOU
That was really well said! The person being in the way, and how the meditative state is the true person, the human is just a vessel, and the soul is the drive and what powers and keeps it alive, the life force that flows through, and the human vessel can have “performance” issues like any machine :) just needs a little tuning, I would almost say a wave is like the underlying collective and a boat is like an individual physical person, it can get carried away when not functioning, but when in power (empowered) it can steer it’s way through the under currents of life
I love how you said Mulamadhyamakakarika like it was nbd.
Thank you
Namaste 🙏🏼
Spot on Jason. May all become acutley
According to Alan Watts and his understanding of Buddha's reincarnation is that we do not have literally this that we live life after life but every time we meditate and surrender and then get back to life and forget again our true self is reincarnation. And we do that a lot of times and every time is a new self who forgets.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you for this info. I thought my meditation this morning wasn't great... it was painful but I endured until I couldn't endure anymore. I wondered how to make meditation enjoyable.
"the desire to end desire" is the paradox.
Beuatifully said.. although being disconnected from source is impossible, it’s the lie we tell “ourselves” to enrich “ourselves” with the impossible experience of thinking ourselves disconnected from source ;)
The air in the balloon cannot be or claim to be a separate entity; the moment balloon bursts, the air inside merges with the all pervading air outside. Water in a glass, bottle or bowl cannot be a separate entity as its still water only. We are also the trapped air(energy) in a balloon(bubble). The moment this balloon(body) disappears, the energy gets merged with the source. Dont know how many would connect with this thought, but I could connect and have been at ease ever since.
Mulțumesc frumos am primit răspuns la întrebările mele Salutări din România 💙💛❤️
Excellent
If u want to be enlightened. U can't it's impossible.. ~J krishnmurti
I discovered long ago (I'm old now), that the meaning of life is that it's not all about YOU. The only part you play in life is what you can do for others. Lift up others. Do for others. Forget about YOU.
First time I’ve seen your channel and found it very interesting and useful, thank you,
I did find it a bit jarring when I see your name on your t-shirt when you are talking about identity.
There is No Self but there is a person. 🙏❤️🔥
Thank you for the video. If this is a thought that has been had many times. Is this a worthwhile practice to help? Instead of thinking why not think we as we are all but in aspect. I mentioned this because for this paradox can that way of experiencing other people and yourself be a helpful one? Many thanks for the videos they were helpful. Namaste Jason.
Thanks
Thank you for your kind support, my friend.
It's so subtle that it's overlooked...
Nice
Meditation is who you are…. the person is what you do. The ground of all being holds the plant seeking the Sun, not the other way around. Undifferentiated suchness is different from my appetites, my attachments.
Buddha got it right… and wrong is irrelevant. Greetings from the USA!!
🙏
Shanti shanti shanti
I was always confused why people would want to escape samsara if it’s a natural thing, but I finally like understand buddhas tracing, samsara is real, it’s hell without enlightenment and it is eternal bliss to those who have nirvana and in a smaller way I think samsara is more the process of our own thoughts living individual lives within our mind, and enlightenment is the perspective over your own thoughts, or liberation from samsara being able to see the wheel that ever spins in your mind making different lives in your head and literally i of you when you reincarnate, it’s not liberation from reincarnation it’s liberation from seeing every life you live as separate that’s what samsara is it’s a sectioned wheel where as Buddha teaches away to be like a hamster all of it becomes one not in the sense that you can feel your pads and future lives but if you realize that oneness it’s pretty much the same because all people now that have ever been and are or will be are you, samsara is thinking are different lives, or in other words, other people, are different from us
Ppl don't really want Enlightenment, Nirvana, of whatever You want to call it. They want to have Bliss as their constant experience. Everything everybody does is to provide this feeling of Bliss (which is pleasant experience at an intense level), but they search for it outside of themselves via ppl, places and things, accumulating it all, then feeling Bliss, but this doesn't last long, the feeling goes away, then they repeat the cycle. Once one has a level of Awareness, a space btwn what they have accumulated (Body, Mind, Ideologies, concepts, material stuff, relationships, etc) and what they really are (we are Life), then Bliss is a natural experience. From this point of Experience, then one will desire the ultimate, what we call Enlightenment, they will want the truth of Reality, that we are Life expressed via a Human form, but they will "Desire" to go beyond Form, so when Enlightenment comes for most the Body Drops off, the individuality is now gone, and it merges with Life. That's the logical way to say it lol:) James
just feel good
As long as we are in the mode of dichotomous knowing (vijñāna) which breaks down to perceiver and perceiving we will never get out of samsara. Even death can't help us because our consciousness does not die. It can still be reborn. Our consciousness is like a unique radio signal that resonates with the new embryo (nāmarūpa, a developing psychophysical being).
One very powerful video Jason. It hit home big time. Thank you very much. You're ability to communicate the highest truths is impeccable. Keep it up brother. 1luv
You are born enlightened
If you are truly seeking Enlightenment there is no greater way than with Adi Da Samraj
The most clear picture that show the truth about the real seek of the soul not the feek of self achievment.
👻 being aware the awarer was always aware of this spiritual symbiosis, and the partnership agreement dissolving being the final enlightenment can be a sad 🥹 and liberating 😇 moment at the same time ♾
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In the Sri Yoga vasistha, Sage Vasishtar emphasizes Prince Ram to renounce the ego which is the greatest obstacle for the enlightenment.
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Jason, are you a student in the school of philosophy, Australia? You talks are wonderful thanks.
The Master simply answers to his devotee: “I” and “Enlightenment” can not go together! 🙏😊
Enlightenment is a living reality in term of the Self in our day to day sensory experience. I am established in That I am That. Which is non changing, eternal, absolute, unbounded Consciousness. Like the unbounded ocean, infinite. A state of complete fulfillment because it is “sat ch ananda”.
24/7. Meditation is a way to realize it. In a way that is natural, is about surrendering to your Self by the Self for the Self.
Enlightenment = realizing "Light I am", meditation is a state/space/time where Self becomes aware.
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Nirvana or Heaven is not a place or a condition. It is the awareness of our oneness. Dissolution of the self is necessary.
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Discard what you xp in mind to experience it. Discarding Entire mind is no simple things but for sure a way to xp that non dual in you.
Hey mate. You are my kind of Buddhist. We're on the way......soon we won't talk or read or even think about it. We will be at peace with it. Then?!!!! lets hope that's it. Will we ever know? Does anyone ever really know? One can never know what another really knows.
Inside out 💖🧠💫🐒👑🍎