So a review after a year and a half using it? Now that is useful! My MS keyboard's letter paint started to disappear after only a period of weeks. I never considered spending this much, but quality does matter. I think I've suffered with my MS keyboard enough now. Time to get a good keyboard.
I just got this keyboard new but open box at BestBuy and thought it was still too much but after actually using it, I feel like I stole it. Love this thing. Great review. Thank you. I look forward to using it for years to come.
Thank you for your informative videos. After finishing watching the trilogy, I am also a proud owner of Logi K860. Matter of fact, I am using my new ergonomics keyboard to type this "thank-you" message!
How do you access the BIOS on a desktop computer, with a bluetooth-only keyboard?? I'm pretty sure my computer only accepts USB or PS2 keyboards in BIOS. Btw.: Why isn't there any ergonomic keyboard out there that can be used with a (detachable) USB-cable, as well as using bluetooth? I'm waiting for it since over a decade, it can't be that difficult?
I picked up an MX vertical. Very different from my MX master. But I get it. It has been a good addition to the desk so far. Review coming in a few weeks. 😉
@@MichaelJLong just saw this video and I’m ready to buy this keyboard. Was looking at this earlier but you managed to convince me! Was hoping to find your review for the vertical mouse but I see you never posted one 😢 may I know if the vertical mouse was to good in your opinion?
Haha "in production" you are a true developer sir. Don't ever understand why people want backlights in their keyboard unless then look down while they are typing which of course they shouldn't do. I never look down so don't care if my keyboard has a light or not.
Thank you for your review of this keyboard. I have been using the Logitech k750 keyboard and I loved the feel of the keys although it wasn't ergonomic. The solar rechargeable function stopped working so I replaced the batteries. They worked for a few months and then stopped recharging again. I started using an older keyboard that we had, but I hated the chunkier keys and once again not ergonomic. I found your review and decided to purchase this keyboard. I should have done this sooner as I use my keyboard 85% of my workday from my home office. I have had it for two days so far and I can already tell a huge difference. Worth the price!
I'm going to try one out. I've gone through a few ergonomic KBs trying to find one that ticks the boxes, and I've yet to find one. Maybe the K860 will do the trick. Thanks for an honest, no nonsense review.
Funny, the CEO's name of the company I work for is Mike Long. Great video, it really helped me to decide between the MX and Ergo. Getting my ergo tomorrow. Thanks for the video 😁
Saw other 2 videos of yours and I am glad that your keyboard is still working well and that it didn't lose the painting on the keys like my Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboards (they'd peel after just a couple weeks using them, the current one is 5 years old, nothing broken, works well, but it's pretty much destroyed visually LOL).
To avoid discoloration on the wrist rest, try using Pledge Multi-Surface Cleaner. I have used this over the past 15 years on computer/electronics with no issues.
As a heavy Excel user, this keyboard is really a life saver. I can easily forget how long I’ve been typing. My only frustration with this keyboard is the function key is located on the right side instead of left side. That eliminates the additional functionality of my logi ergo trackball mouse.
Das Pad lässt sich zum Reinigen übrigens ganz einfach entfernen. Dazu einfach auf der Unterseite der Tastatur die Schrauben lösen und das Pad abklippsen.
how would you compare this to the wave? Im coming from the Magic Keyboard having thumb pain and wrist pain. I like the wave so far - few days. Its refreshing to have more travel, but would you recommend this over the new wave?
I have three keys where the letters have faded away, D, C and V -- D as the home key for my left middle finger means I probably touch it more than others; C and V because of copy and paste. The replacement keys I have found are $7 each. I'm not a very demanding user; I've had this keyboard for less than 2 years. Nice feature: you can remove the palm rest with screws to clean it and to clean the space between the rest and the keyboard.
Hey thanks! Just started looking for a replacement for my 5-yr-old Sculpt. (It started malfunctioning, although I have almost always been happy with MSFT hardware. Now if only I could say the same about their software...HA!) I would probably have passed over this keyboard, just due to the price point. You make a good case for it.
How to do a "screenshot" using the ERGO K860 wireless keyboard that seems to lack a "camera" key (?replaced by a battery key). Note already activated the Microsoft (not Apple) function using "fn + P" upon unboxing. Reply
I have an issue with right wrist/arm pain when using it, especially when i am in standup desk mode. Any tips? Only downside I have apart from the pain, is that when I use it on Linux I will occasionally lose keystrokes. Doesn't happen at all when I am using it with Mac.
Thanks for even more information on the Logi, Michael! I wear very convenient, simple computer typing gloves to help prevent staining of MS Sculpt Keyboard wrist rest. If you are low on funds, the Logi is not the hands-down winner. Depending on how you use these keyboards and funds you got, Sculpt could be really good for you. I really like the angle of it. There is not a perfect keyboard on the market.
Question, did you find any issues with the space bar sticking? I have had this keyboard for about 15 months and the right space bar (I am right handed) gets most of the use and has started showing signs of wear. Mostly sticking and/or not registering clicks without a lot of additional force. I was forced to pull the key off and clean it and that still didn't fix the problem. It is a hardware problem since the actual switch itself (under the key) works just fine. I ended up having to remove one of the two metal bars under the space bar to get it to function. Just wondering if I am the only one with this issue.
@@dienvidbriedis1184 I've got a new one from Ireland for $60. The issue with my old one was the same as yours, but it somehow recovered. So I keep a new one just in case I'll need a replacement in future.
I have wiped mine off with a wet towel once or twice. I typically do that at the end of the day so it can dry over night. For the most part, it hasn’t gotten all that dirty. I’m very impressed with the palm wrest on this keyboard.
YES! Logitech says the top layer is stain resistant and has an almost wax-like coating that is easy to clean. I put a small amount of hand-soap on a wet toothbrush and gently scrape the palm rest. I wipe it off with a clean rag or paper towel, then spray with alcohol based electronics cleaner (to help it dry quicker). It looks brand new after each cleaning. I use the same electronics cleaner spray to wipe the keys down every few days. They keyboard looks as good as new.
TLDR; Keycap kettering wears off fast under heavy use -- do not buy if you need labels on your keys. I've been coding all day for years. I have been through so many keyboards it isn't funny, trying to find the right ergonomics and feel to keep my hands and wrists fresh and my fingers light, quick and accurate. I love the feel of this keyboard, but the keycap letters faded to uselessness in about a month of serious use... a real drag for such a pricy keyboard. I'm -mostly- a touch typer, but the odd time I need to hunt for a key, the keycaps issue is a deal-breaker for me. Next up, I'm going to try out a Keychron q13 pro, alice layout. Hope this helps.
The lack of documentation on this keyboard is really frustrating! I still cannot get the Flow program to work, or even the right click menu key to work... If you wanted to provide tutorials on how to get the keyboard to pair/work with iPads or PCs, I would be very appreciative!
eu também tive essa mesma dificuldade. Consegui emparelhar através do aplicativo logitech options no windows 10. Tem um botão no menu que emparelha o teclado, mas eu só consegui após seguir estes passos: 0. conectar o dongle USB unifying. 1. manter o teclado desligado (red key) 2. Ir até a tela de emparelhamento do logitech options. 3. clicar no botão de emparelhamento (adicionar novo dispositivo). 4. ligar o teclado (green key) quando o aplicativo estiver procurando novo dispositivo. Isto te ajudou?
I have k860, sculpt and surface. K860 is indeed way better on connectivity. Setting aside connectivity, I prefer surface. It’s the most premium and for me has the best key layout. It’s problem is that Bluetooth can be quite laggy. My sculpt did not have connectivity issues that yours had but hate that a dongle is tied to only one keyboard. When it comes to the main area of the keyboard I like typing on the sculpt the best. My sculpt’s End key died after four years. I poured tea on my surface and lost some 2-5 crucial keys. So now K860 is my main driver. It’s too plasticky though. I think sculpt is the best value for money overall. I really like surface for its premium feel and material. I just wish surface had the connectivity of k860. It would be my keyboard for life. One thing I hate about the k860 is replacing the menu key with fn. if you find k860 and surface too long start using your ambidextrous mouse via the left hand. I love the portability of surface
uhh i think the biggest issue is the size dude. and for me, the fact its wireless. i dont like delays or similar ... it seems certainly better than the k320 though haha
Do you think they'll release a new version anytime soon? I bought the ms surface go 1 a couple months before the 2 came out and really regretted that. Been waiting on the next version of this before I pull the trigger, but I could really use a second keyboard now, and I want an ergonomic one that will last, as opposed to getting some random keyboard in the interim. I'm pretty set on getting this one even if they don't add a usb port or backlighting (my two asks), but if a new one will come out in the next 3 months or so I'd rather wait. Though I don't want to wait 6 months, so if in 3 months I find out I have to wait another 3 I'll be annoyed I didn't end my suffering now
I've been using both and have to agree that the logi is better. But if you can't fork over that price, the sculpt isn't bad. I prefer the ctrl alt and spacebar on the sculpt.
I’ve never used a TKL keyboard so my mouse has always been that far to the right. So I can’t be sure. That said, I’ve changed laptops dozens of times and I can always adjust my muscle memory to those after about 2 weeks of use.
For an above avg speed (90-100 wpm) typist, ERGO K860 is not suitable. ERGO K860 is non-durable & not 'easy-to-maintain keyboard. I had issues with 'a' , ''f' keys and right side space bar since first week. The so-called 24/7 support was not available when I tried the chat support on their site. For resolving this issue, I didn't have time to stay on phone for long waiting for them to resolve poor customer support service. Giving up. bout to trash it.
How to do a "screenshot" using the ERGO K860 wireless keyboard that seems to lack a "camera" key (?replaced by a battery key). Note already activated the Microsoft (not Apple) function using "fn + P" upon unboxing. Reply
So a review after a year and a half using it? Now that is useful! My MS keyboard's letter paint started to disappear after only a period of weeks. I never considered spending this much, but quality does matter. I think I've suffered with my MS keyboard enough now. Time to get a good keyboard.
I was looking for specific ways to use the keys and you are the only one that has that information. A big THANK YOU.
Ten years ago I bought Logitech joysticks, and have been a loyal logi subscriber ever since!
I just got this keyboard new but open box at BestBuy and thought it was still too much but after actually using it, I feel like I stole it. Love this thing. Great review. Thank you. I look forward to using it for years to come.
Thank you for your informative videos. After finishing watching the trilogy, I am also a proud owner of Logi K860. Matter of fact, I am using my new ergonomics keyboard to type this "thank-you" message!
How do you access the BIOS on a desktop computer, with a bluetooth-only keyboard?? I'm pretty sure my computer only accepts USB or PS2 keyboards in BIOS.
Btw.: Why isn't there any ergonomic keyboard out there that can be used with a (detachable) USB-cable, as well as using bluetooth? I'm waiting for it since over a decade, it can't be that difficult?
K860 + MX Vertical: best purchase I made in 2020, and probably in a number of years that will follow!
I picked up an MX vertical. Very different from my MX master. But I get it. It has been a good addition to the desk so far. Review coming in a few weeks. 😉
@@MichaelJLong just saw this video and I’m ready to buy this keyboard. Was looking at this earlier but you managed to convince me! Was hoping to find your review for the vertical mouse but I see you never posted one 😢 may I know if the vertical mouse was to good in your opinion?
Haha "in production" you are a true developer sir. Don't ever understand why people want backlights in their keyboard unless then look down while they are typing which of course they shouldn't do. I never look down so don't care if my keyboard has a light or not.
Exactly! You don't need backlight unless you're still not touch typing for some reason
@@dienvidbriedis1184 🤣
Thank you for your review of this keyboard. I have been using the Logitech k750 keyboard and I loved the feel of the keys although it wasn't ergonomic. The solar rechargeable function stopped working so I replaced the batteries. They worked for a few months and then stopped recharging again. I started using an older keyboard that we had, but I hated the chunkier keys and once again not ergonomic. I found your review and decided to purchase this keyboard. I should have done this sooner as I use my keyboard 85% of my workday from my home office. I have had it for two days so far and I can already tell a huge difference. Worth the price!
I'm going to try one out. I've gone through a few ergonomic KBs trying to find one that ticks the boxes, and I've yet to find one. Maybe the K860 will do the trick. Thanks for an honest, no nonsense review.
if they add a trackball in the center of this keyboard , it gonna be a beast !
Funny, the CEO's name of the company I work for is Mike Long. Great video, it really helped me to decide between the MX and Ergo. Getting my ergo tomorrow. Thanks for the video 😁
What's his middle name
Hey Michael - thanks for this keyboard review video. I also appreciate the playlists that you've compiled. Best wishes in growing in wisdom and joy.
Thank you so much. there was few points that I should have know about this keyboard and i am very happy with it indeed . Regards Matthew
Saw other 2 videos of yours and I am glad that your keyboard is still working well and that it didn't lose the painting on the keys like my Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboards (they'd peel after just a couple weeks using them, the current one is 5 years old, nothing broken, works well, but it's pretty much destroyed visually LOL).
To avoid discoloration on the wrist rest, try using Pledge Multi-Surface Cleaner. I have used this over the past 15 years on computer/electronics with no issues.
As a heavy Excel user, this keyboard is really a life saver. I can easily forget how long I’ve been typing. My only frustration with this keyboard is the function key is located on the right side instead of left side. That eliminates the additional functionality of my logi ergo trackball mouse.
Das Pad lässt sich zum Reinigen übrigens ganz einfach entfernen. Dazu einfach auf der Unterseite der Tastatur die Schrauben lösen und das Pad abklippsen.
This should be an advertisement for Logitech... I just bought both mouse and keyboard because of this video.
Thank you so much 🎉🎉🎉
If they released a similar design without the Numpad, it would've been an absolute buy for me.
This video made me decide to keep this ergo keyboard! Thank you
how would you compare this to the wave? Im coming from the Magic Keyboard having thumb pain and wrist pain. I like the wave so far - few days. Its refreshing to have more travel, but would you recommend this over the new wave?
I have three keys where the letters have faded away, D, C and V -- D as the home key for my left middle finger means I probably touch it more than others; C and V because of copy and paste. The replacement keys I have found are $7 each. I'm not a very demanding user; I've had this keyboard for less than 2 years. Nice feature: you can remove the palm rest with screws to clean it and to clean the space between the rest and the keyboard.
Did you try split keyboard before this one ? I mean literally split keyboard?
Hey thanks! Just started looking for a replacement for my 5-yr-old Sculpt. (It started malfunctioning, although I have almost always been happy with MSFT hardware. Now if only I could say the same about their software...HA!)
I would probably have passed over this keyboard, just due to the price point. You make a good case for it.
How to do a "screenshot" using the ERGO K860 wireless keyboard that seems to lack a "camera" key (?replaced by a battery key). Note already activated the Microsoft (not Apple) function using "fn + P" upon unboxing.
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Link to your microsoft sculpt review?
Had the sculpt and had issues with sticky keys and missed presses. Guess i gotta order this
I have an issue with right wrist/arm pain when using it, especially when i am in standup desk mode. Any tips? Only downside I have apart from the pain, is that when I use it on Linux I will occasionally lose keystrokes. Doesn't happen at all when I am using it with Mac.
comparison with Kinesis Freestyle 2 ??
Why did they have to put B and 6 on the left, supposed to be on right!
well, it' expensive in Malaysia here. More than 500 in RM. Do you have any other option?
Thanks for even more information on the Logi, Michael! I wear very convenient, simple computer typing gloves to help prevent staining of MS Sculpt Keyboard wrist rest. If you are low on funds, the Logi is not the hands-down winner. Depending on how you use these keyboards and funds you got, Sculpt could be really good for you. I really like the angle of it. There is not a perfect keyboard on the market.
Question, did you find any issues with the space bar sticking? I have had this keyboard for about 15 months and the right space bar (I am right handed) gets most of the use and has started showing signs of wear. Mostly sticking and/or not registering clicks without a lot of additional force. I was forced to pull the key off and clean it and that still didn't fix the problem.
It is a hardware problem since the actual switch itself (under the key) works just fine. I ended up having to remove one of the two metal bars under the space bar to get it to function. Just wondering if I am the only one with this issue.
How do you backslash on this keyboard?
Keys are lagging any suggestions
I'm convinced to give it a go.
The best option is still Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000. Sad they discontinued it, and now the stock remainings cost $400 per item.
@@dienvidbriedis1184 I've got a new one from Ireland for $60. The issue with my old one was the same as yours, but it somehow recovered. So I keep a new one just in case I'll need a replacement in future.
How is the key travel? Compared to the Microsoft 4000 keyboard?
I don’t know the 4000 as well but the key travel is minimal. I love the way the chiclet keys type quickly and quietly.
@@MichaelJLong Thanks!
Can palm rest be cleaned and with what? I’m not sure if that discoloration can be cleaned somehow?
I have wiped mine off with a wet towel once or twice. I typically do that at the end of the day so it can dry over night.
For the most part, it hasn’t gotten all that dirty. I’m very impressed with the palm wrest on this keyboard.
YES! Logitech says the top layer is stain resistant and has an almost wax-like coating that is easy to clean. I put a small amount of hand-soap on a wet toothbrush and gently scrape the palm rest. I wipe it off with a clean rag or paper towel, then spray with alcohol based electronics cleaner (to help it dry quicker). It looks brand new after each cleaning. I use the same electronics cleaner spray to wipe the keys down every few days. They keyboard looks as good as new.
Is this keyboard suitable for a 6"3 man with extremely long hands?
It's twice the price of a MS sculpt L5V keyboard, is it twice more productive??
TLDR; Keycap kettering wears off fast under heavy use -- do not buy if you need labels on your keys. I've been coding all day for years. I have been through so many keyboards it isn't funny, trying to find the right ergonomics and feel to keep my hands and wrists fresh and my fingers light, quick and accurate. I love the feel of this keyboard, but the keycap letters faded to uselessness in about a month of serious use... a real drag for such a pricy keyboard. I'm -mostly- a touch typer, but the odd time I need to hunt for a key, the keycaps issue is a deal-breaker for me. Next up, I'm going to try out a Keychron q13 pro, alice layout. Hope this helps.
is the wrist pad removable?
No. It’s pretty comfortable though.
Oh one minor detail on the negative side for me (when you have little space on your desk). But thanks for the review!
Unfortunately I have several keys where the lettering is coming off. Very disappointing for such an expensive keyboard.
The lack of documentation on this keyboard is really frustrating! I still cannot get the Flow program to work, or even the right click menu key to work... If you wanted to provide tutorials on how to get the keyboard to pair/work with iPads or PCs, I would be very appreciative!
eu também tive essa mesma dificuldade. Consegui emparelhar através do aplicativo logitech options no windows 10. Tem um botão no menu que emparelha o teclado, mas eu só consegui após seguir estes passos:
0. conectar o dongle USB unifying.
1. manter o teclado desligado (red key)
2. Ir até a tela de emparelhamento do logitech options.
3. clicar no botão de emparelhamento (adicionar novo dispositivo).
4. ligar o teclado (green key) quando o aplicativo estiver procurando novo dispositivo.
Isto te ajudou?
There is new deluxe ergo keyboard with backlit keys
I have k860, sculpt and surface. K860 is indeed way better on connectivity. Setting aside connectivity, I prefer surface. It’s the most premium and for me has the best key layout. It’s problem is that Bluetooth can be quite laggy. My sculpt did not have connectivity issues that yours had but hate that a dongle is tied to only one keyboard. When it comes to the main area of the keyboard I like typing on the sculpt the best. My sculpt’s End key died after four years. I poured tea on my surface and lost some 2-5 crucial keys. So now K860 is my main driver. It’s too plasticky though. I think sculpt is the best value for money overall. I really like surface for its premium feel and material. I just wish surface had the connectivity of k860. It would be my keyboard for life. One thing I hate about the k860 is replacing the menu key with fn. if you find k860 and surface too long start using your ambidextrous mouse via the left hand. I love the portability of surface
What is the Surface keyboard?? Is that an ergonomic model? Would love to check it out!
uhh i think the biggest issue is the size dude. and for me, the fact its wireless. i dont like delays or similar ... it seems certainly better than the k320 though haha
thanks!
C'mon Logi! Give us backlit keys!
and TKL layout
Do you think they'll release a new version anytime soon? I bought the ms surface go 1 a couple months before the 2 came out and really regretted that. Been waiting on the next version of this before I pull the trigger, but I could really use a second keyboard now, and I want an ergonomic one that will last, as opposed to getting some random keyboard in the interim. I'm pretty set on getting this one even if they don't add a usb port or backlighting (my two asks), but if a new one will come out in the next 3 months or so I'd rather wait. Though I don't want to wait 6 months, so if in 3 months I find out I have to wait another 3 I'll be annoyed I didn't end my suffering now
I've been using both and have to agree that the logi is better. But if you can't fork over that price, the sculpt isn't bad. I prefer the ctrl alt and spacebar on the sculpt.
I find the keyboard to be a little too long. puts my mouse way to my right... is this something you eventually get used to?
I’ve never used a TKL keyboard so my mouse has always been that far to the right. So I can’t be sure.
That said, I’ve changed laptops dozens of times and I can always adjust my muscle memory to those after about 2 weeks of use.
@@MichaelJLong Thanks, that helps!
Agree with the Sculpt comment. It's a work of art, but it's useless for anything other than just looking good.
I brought this and that vertical keyboard from Logitech
For an above avg speed (90-100 wpm) typist, ERGO K860 is not suitable.
ERGO K860 is non-durable & not 'easy-to-maintain keyboard.
I had issues with 'a' , ''f' keys and right side space bar since first week.
The so-called 24/7 support was not available when I tried the chat support on their site.
For resolving this issue, I didn't have time to stay on phone for long waiting for them to resolve poor customer support service.
Giving up. bout to trash it.
bought that because of your recommendation
@Jimmi Lo what's your impressions after a few weeks using it?
@@drabenstein3379 it's great, loving it. really relieved my shoulder pain
Mmmmmmm sticky keeys
The worst thing about this keyboard is that the included AAA batteries outlasted the paint on some of the keycaps.
Otherwise, I love this thing.
How to do a "screenshot" using the ERGO K860 wireless keyboard that seems to lack a "camera" key (?replaced by a battery key). Note already activated the Microsoft (not Apple) function using "fn + P" upon unboxing.
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