That makes sense to see similar roll race results with G series M3/M4s as they are making similar whp on the same dyno. I suspect it's all about advertising - if they advertise M2 is also making 503hp, that will take away a lot M3/M4 buyers into just buying cheaper M2s, lowering their profits.
I just took delivery about three weeks ago of my 2025 M2 rated at 473hp. I wonder what the difference really is and it’s any higher. I can’t wait to get 1200 miles on it so I can test it and experience the car at full song. Glad to see your results!
Same I got my 25 past 1200 I think they just tried to make the numbers a little more accurate probably not much tuning done unless they pulled power out to match the number which I highly doubt
@@EastWood2004 yes. The MY24 has always had the same HP as the MY25 has now. BMW just made it official on paper. (They do this a lot) The engine is exactly the same it’s just a software update. This is assuming one has the automatic. The manual is still less due to the transmission.
That's awesome man! Just curious but... Did you follow any BMW recommended Break-In procedure/time? I have a 2025 M340i that just arrived at the port in Baltimore and should be picking it up next week : ) Your videos are great!
1.09 correction factor due to conditions that apply to NA cars. Your car is making what they should...460ish uncorrected. Bmw adjusts boost based on conditions to hit consistent numbers. It's a load target, not a boost target.
@fzr1000981 elevation does not affect turbo cars as much if any at the levels he's seeing. Like I said the ecu targets load not boost meaning boost will increase in worse air to hit a constant load and decrease is better air.
Crazy numbers considering it should show less whp since it is 91 and not 93. Because most of 93 g87 dyno at 470whp, so yours with 93 will be 515-520whp
That race actually should be fairly close.. and if the other driver was using paddles or in the wrong modes/gear, that could drastically change the outcome
All the G87's are making a lot more than the claimed factory output. That said, if you watch most of the other G87 dyno videos, most are making around 460-470 at the rear wheel (given or take 5). So at 500 you're definitely the highest. Still impressive though - 470 (average) and a 12% rear wheel loss = 523 at the crank.
I’d consider it if I ordered a car since you also get a track day but eh I don’t really care. I don’t hit the top speed that often since it’s 155. If it was 125 like my Tesla, then yes, I’d be annoyed lol
over inflated numbers. gears make a HUGE difference. also...take it to several other dynos and compare results. BMW does under rate their vehicles but these number are inflated by the dyno.
@ On paper its 100lb difference, but with a good tuner headers E85 can make somewhere near 480-490. Ive seen a couple FBO 5.0s that can't keep up with me on Headers E only
I broke this one in properly.. however some cars I start getting on it as soon a 3-400 miles. I don’t think it’s necessarily a freak, it’s just very consistent and a strong example of a g87
Awesome numbers…. Times generally will tell you if its a freak. Stock the cars are doing 11.9 and 100-200 mid to high 8’s You need to run other stock M2’s I picked up my M2 a month ago and loving it like your channel 👍🏻
If someone has one and wants to race, sure. However, those are lighter, more aerodynamic, and make more power on paper. Porsche is no stranger to underrating as well
Wow, at a 12% loss, it's making 569 hp and 511 lb-ft torque at the crank. Steve Dinan uses 16% loss on his cars that he tests. I wonder what your car would do on 100 octane gas. Amazing performance on 91 octane. Just to make it fair when you run against other cars, you may have to switch to 87 octane (wink wink). Great video...thanks.
those are strong numbers. dynoed mine a year ago and got around 484 to the wheels... I really suspect the "increase" in horsepower with this refreshed M2 is just on paper and BMW is just finally admitting the horsepower the g87s originally came with. 460 hp was a flat out lie. would love to see someone dyno their 2025/2026 m2 and see if the numbers are that different.
My c63 dynoed 430whp. Car is 39xxlbs. Best time at drag strip was 12.1@119. My vbox trapped 121mph 1/4 mile. It's probably 500hp crank. If mine dynoed 500whp it would trap 125mph
I mean not really surprising, most german brands like to underestimate the horsepower numbers. But still 500whp thats like 570 to 580 crank horsepower.
@@gionieves2646 560 is made up via estimated drive train loss. But even if it’s reading, say 20hp too high, that’s still 480whp in a car rated for 453 crank..
Fake news. That RS3 that got the ring numbers had semi slick tyres and a roll cage to stiffen the chassis!!! And that is only what we could see. Audi cheated to get those numbers!!! Not a factory rs3 but a full chopped race spec one.
@t-rex7796 another clueless idiot. The m2 also had good semi slick tires. The roll cage won't give practically any handling bonuses because the rs3 already has a very stiff chassis. It had racing bucket seats also for safety because of the roll cage. If your reaching speeds 300 kmh and pushing the car I'd also want a roll cage. You can option the semi slicks that were used and you can option carbon bucket seats that are very light. The bmw m2 lap time car was measured at 506hp. The bmw had a huge power advantage yet it lost by 5 seconds. Not to mention the 2 extra doors on the rs3
I wouldn’t care if it loses by 20 seconds. This car is a much better sports car for me and I don’t have to mod it for it to beat a stock 10 speed mustang. That’s much more real world and important to me than a track time in a foreign country.. you’re just an rs3 fanboy that likes to hate. Keep the comments coming though, it helps the engagement!
@DudeThedudesky plus the RS3 had carbon brakes....the M2 is faster on any roadcourse with a typical driver, you don't make up a 100 hp deficit with gimmicks
While everybody else is only making around 470 wheels, my guy is pushing 500 at the wheels 😂😂😂 i suspect BMW probably accidentally flashed the "wrong, (M3)" software on this engine 😂😂😂😂
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That makes sense to see similar roll race results with G series M3/M4s as they are making similar whp on the same dyno. I suspect it's all about advertising - if they advertise M2 is also making 503hp, that will take away a lot M3/M4 buyers into just buying cheaper M2s, lowering their profits.
I just took delivery about three weeks ago of my 2025 M2 rated at 473hp. I wonder what the difference really is and it’s any higher. I can’t wait to get 1200 miles on it so I can test it and experience the car at full song.
Glad to see your results!
You'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm guessing it's similar.
Same I got my 25 past 1200 I think they just tried to make the numbers a little more accurate probably not much tuning done unless they pulled power out to match the number which I highly doubt
These are high numbers, but your car seems to be performing as it should going off your posted Dragy and dragstrip results
Recent software update put the MY24 the same as the MY25. 500 to the wheels is correct.
What software update?
@@JVette01 07/2024.30
My M2 auto was built in Jul/24, so do you think mine also has the my25 engine spec?
My software version is 07/2024.55
@@EastWood2004 yes. The MY24 has always had the same HP as the MY25 has now. BMW just made it official on paper. (They do this a lot) The engine is exactly the same it’s just a software update. This is assuming one has the automatic. The manual is still less due to the transmission.
Definitely a very happy dyno lol
Yeah it seems a little unrealistic but not terribly far off based on how the car performs. I’d say it’s about 15-20ish over
@JVette01 yea 20hp is fair
Had to be here for this one.
Thanks for the support!
@JVette01 No problem you're welcome brother.
500whp on a dynojet is impressive, wow, i did my 335i top speed run at 505whp (found on my channel) and that was upgraded hybrid twins on e40
This explains a LOT. Your car is insane even considering BMWs HP shenanigans
Do you have any performance mods at all?
Upgraded turbos. Sike no it’s 100% stock
That's awesome man! Just curious but... Did you follow any BMW recommended Break-In procedure/time? I have a 2025 M340i that just arrived at the port in Baltimore and should be picking it up next week : ) Your videos are great!
I did follow it, yes
Got to love dynojet dynos 👍
My mustang made 449 on this same dyno and that sounds about right for catback exhaust and e85 tune
So a factory freak will have more boost pressure or maybe higher flowing heads?
Eh idk if it’s a factory freak, maybe just the dyno..it does perform very well for stock
Not at all surprised by this.
1.09 correction factor due to conditions that apply to NA cars. Your car is making what they should...460ish uncorrected. Bmw adjusts boost based on conditions to hit consistent numbers. It's a load target, not a boost target.
91 octane and elevation is hardly ideal uncorrected
@fzr1000981 elevation does not affect turbo cars as much if any at the levels he's seeing. Like I said the ecu targets load not boost meaning boost will increase in worse air to hit a constant load and decrease is better air.
@@laloosh04 where does 1.09 come from?
@fzr1000981 the dyno sheet itself, look at the bottom where it states information for all 3 pulls.
@@laloosh04 Good call
whats your build date? grate numbers!!!
September 2023
I've already seen a Euro spec 2025 put down 490 rwhp. Nice numbers!
Would be interesting to see if you put in 3 gallons of e85 and see what you get on the dyno.
Some cars get a huge bump on factory tune using an e30 mix but my m2 doesn’t. Already tried it
What are your 1/4 mile times and trap speed, also 60-130?
All done in my dragy video
What are your draggy times? 1/8 and 1/4
I have a video on it
Crazy numbers considering it should show less whp since it is 91 and not 93. Because most of 93 g87 dyno at 470whp, so yours with 93 will be 515-520whp
Idk if it really makes a difference tbh. I’ve tried even doing an e30 mix and the car is the same when stock. If/when I tune it, then it will matter
I think my manual 24’ G87 is freak too. Ran with a 992 targa S and was right there with him … in Mexico 😉
That race actually should be fairly close.. and if the other driver was using paddles or in the wrong modes/gear, that could drastically change the outcome
All the G87's are making a lot more than the claimed factory output.
That said, if you watch most of the other G87 dyno videos, most are making around 460-470 at the rear wheel (given or take 5). So at 500 you're definitely the highest. Still impressive though - 470 (average) and a 12% rear wheel loss = 523 at the crank.
@@scottrobinson2668 Some serious powa lol
What is the top speed limiter of your M2? Did you get the M Drivers package?
It’s on 155 since I didn’t get the drivers package that raises it to 177
@ do you regret not get the package? I’m looking at a M2 myself and don’t want to regret not getting it. lol. Thanks and I love the ride.
@JVette01 tops out at 181 mph real world 😎
That’s because at that speed, bmws speedometer is about 4mph over from what the real speed is.
I’d consider it if I ordered a car since you also get a track day but eh I don’t really care. I don’t hit the top speed that often since it’s 155. If it was 125 like my Tesla, then yes, I’d be annoyed lol
I have this car. Also had a CSL. 100% under rated.
over inflated numbers. gears make a HUGE difference. also...take it to several other dynos and compare results. BMW does under rate their vehicles but these number are inflated by the dyno.
Does that mean my Headers E 5.0 makes near 500whp😮
Usually fbo e85 5.0s make around 500whp. Also, your car is lighter than mine
@ On paper its 100lb difference, but with a good tuner headers E85 can make somewhere near 480-490. Ive seen a couple FBO 5.0s that can't keep up with me on Headers E only
Still crazy how good these new M cars perform!
You sure you didn't have e30 in there? They dyno about 485whp on 93.
I promise lol.. and maybe the dyno is just reading a little high. Not sure
485 whp is still fkn bonkers considering it's advertised at 453 from BMW 😂
Yeah I kinda figured that your car was a factory freak, most of your cars are, I think it has something to do with how you break yours in.
I broke this one in properly.. however some cars I start getting on it as soon a 3-400 miles. I don’t think it’s necessarily a freak, it’s just very consistent and a strong example of a g87
@JVette01 You're really trying to get me into one of these cars aren't you 😋
I say go for it! Haha
@@JVette01 Lol strongly considering it lol.
Very nice. Woulda been interesting if you took a couple gallons of e85 to see if there were any gains
Have the same spec but a 23 on 93 octane. Good info
Awesome numbers…. Times generally will tell you if its a freak. Stock the cars are doing 11.9 and 100-200 mid to high 8’s
You need to run other stock M2’s
I picked up my M2 a month ago and loving it like your channel 👍🏻
I already ran another one that was close to stock and they were pretty much the same with mine being a tiny bit quicker
I would love to see you go up against a stock Porsche 997.2 turbo
If someone has one and wants to race, sure. However, those are lighter, more aerodynamic, and make more power on paper. Porsche is no stranger to underrating as well
Did you make sure to remove the JB4 before hitting the dyno!?😂 JK
No im making sure the jb4 is on ;)
I sense a jealous RS3 owner haha
@@fzr1000981 jealous about what car weighing 1.8 tonnes 😂
@DudeThedudesky That dude always talks shit and he literally just sold his 23 RS3 2 months ago and turned into a massive BMW FANBOY 🤣
@speeddemonRS3 nope not a fan boi at all, I've owned all brands...just a better car
Wow, at a 12% loss, it's making 569 hp and 511 lb-ft torque at the crank. Steve Dinan uses 16% loss on his cars that he tests. I wonder what your car would do on 100 octane gas. Amazing performance on 91 octane. Just to make it fair when you run against other cars, you may have to switch to 87 octane (wink wink). Great video...thanks.
Haha. Thanks for watching. It may read a little high but it’s definitely over 500 crank for sure
Based on your 1/4 runs I doubt it's making 500 whp. Wouldn't that put you at low 11's high 10's ?
The time depends a lot on traction and launch. Trap speed tells you hp. I run consistently 121-122 on the street via dragy
I'd say mid 11 due to Traction, his car performs the way it should...these M2s are under estimated let alone under rated
Window tint adds 50whp
How’d you know? 🤣
those are strong numbers. dynoed mine a year ago and got around 484 to the wheels... I really suspect the "increase" in horsepower with this refreshed M2 is just on paper and BMW is just finally admitting the horsepower the g87s originally came with. 460 hp was a flat out lie. would love to see someone dyno their 2025/2026 m2 and see if the numbers are that different.
Yes that would be interesting to see
It's not just on paper
@@fzr1000981 idk. haven't seen a 25 on the dyno yet.
@@js002003 I've already seen a Euro spec 2025 put down 490 rwhp. US should be a little better
It's real
@@fzr1000981 yah thats what my 2023 put down actually.
My c63 dynoed 430whp. Car is 39xxlbs. Best time at drag strip was 12.1@119. My vbox trapped 121mph 1/4 mile. It's probably 500hp crank. If mine dynoed 500whp it would trap 125mph
All dynos read different. This one could be high
@@JVette01 definitely reading very high. take it to a mustang dyno next and compare the numbers with powertrain loss of 10----15%
I mean not really surprising, most german brands like to underestimate the horsepower numbers. But still 500whp thats like 570 to 580 crank horsepower.
Crazy that’s it’s underrated that much!
@@JVette01 no...its inflated numbers from the dyno.... your car isnt making 560 HP....doesn't matter how you skin the cat.....
@@gionieves2646 560 is made up via estimated drive train loss. But even if it’s reading, say 20hp too high, that’s still 480whp in a car rated for 453 crank..
Even with that much more understated power it still loses on the ring to a rs3 ☠️
Fake news.
That RS3 that got the ring numbers had semi slick tyres and a roll cage to stiffen the chassis!!!
And that is only what we could see.
Audi cheated to get those numbers!!! Not a factory rs3 but a full chopped race spec one.
@t-rex7796 another clueless idiot. The m2 also had good semi slick tires. The roll cage won't give practically any handling bonuses because the rs3 already has a very stiff chassis. It had racing bucket seats also for safety because of the roll cage. If your reaching speeds 300 kmh and pushing the car I'd also want a roll cage. You can option the semi slicks that were used and you can option carbon bucket seats that are very light. The bmw m2 lap time car was measured at 506hp. The bmw had a huge power advantage yet it lost by 5 seconds. Not to mention the 2 extra doors on the rs3
I wouldn’t care if it loses by 20 seconds. This car is a much better sports car for me and I don’t have to mod it for it to beat a stock 10 speed mustang. That’s much more real world and important to me than a track time in a foreign country.. you’re just an rs3 fanboy that likes to hate. Keep the comments coming though, it helps the engagement!
@DudeThedudesky plus the RS3 had carbon brakes....the M2 is faster on any roadcourse with a typical driver, you don't make up a 100 hp deficit with gimmicks
@JVette01 mate it's a rwd m car it's meant for the track not roll races with a mustang 🤣. Bmw is a joke and so are you fanboys
Mustang dyno next please lol !
lol
@mmf9765 yup, we need the heartbreaker lol
then now time to test another stock M2 to compare to see if you have a factory freak or not :)
Exactly. Or M3/M4 if he doesn't have access to a stock M2
I’ve done this run before. Mine seems to be in line with others. The s58 from the m2/3/4 are all similar in power on a dyno
Something is definitely off here 😂
I’d say it’s reading a little too high
@@JVette01 it appears so. I wonder when he calibrated his dyno ?
lol damn what the heck 50hp more at the wheels than a fbo e85 5.0. bone stock 😂
Fbo e85 5.0s are around 500whp. Mine was e85 and catback exhaust only
5.0s with that should be at least 575
@@JVette01guys around here claim mid 400’s on corn. I guess they lie like always lol
Fbo e85 should be upper 400s or 500 wheel.
While everybody else is only making around 470 wheels, my guy is pushing 500 at the wheels 😂😂😂 i suspect BMW probably accidentally flashed the "wrong, (M3)" software on this engine 😂😂😂😂
the new m2s & 3s make the same power
@angell_carreraa the comps make a bit more dont they?
My buddy’s m3 comp x drive made 516 all wheel on this dyno. This one might read a little high I’m not sure
@@JVette01 its the dyno brother...that shit is reading REALLY high.
It’s probably reading about 15-20hp too high