Actuate job on the dating. 90/91 the had the inductor without the cap and the brass nut on top - also went to the green board around that time then back to the brown shortly after that. I have the same one. And ’75 for the Thomas organ is really close. I have a few and I bought one with a 2005xxxx serial number from the original owner and he bought it new in ’76.
Thomas Organ Co obtained their patent for Wah pedals on 22nd Sept 1970. As yours says patent pending it's going to be 1971 or before, depending on how long it took them to change the wording on the base plate and use up old stock. I started working in guitar shops in 1986 and the JEN Cry Baby (2 words) was still being produced until the mid 1980s. The JEN factory in Italy had made wahs for VOX and Thomas. Dunlop acquired the rights to the name in 1982/3 so no Dunlops existed before that. The first Dunlops started appearing in the mid 1980s and were still called Cry Baby. I remember Clapton was using one in 1989/ 90. I was selling them new in the shop at that point. It was a few years later (I would say around 1990) that Dunlop started to call them original Crybaby (one word). I assumed that merging the 2 words meant he could call them "original" since they weren't! I would say that they changed from the metal jacks to plastic PCB mounted around 1990 give or take a year and added the power socket. For several years they had the large metal pots in before they briefly had the blue ones and then the hotpotz 2. The blue ones I would say came in around 1998 or even later but were only used briefly. Also the Jim Dunlop USA logo was a later additon so I'd say that one may even be early 2000s. The trouble is, I've sold and worked on so many of the bloody things over the years that I can't remember precisely when the changes took place!
that looks like maybe a mid 90s crybaby the first one? i just got an early or mid 90s one myself. it has a very primitive looking circuit board, could have been modded. but the board mounted jacks mean 90s... i'd love to find one that doesn't have board mounted jacks.
If that wah pedal says Thomas organ company on the bottom it's an old original and probably worth more. It was bought by Jim Dunlop company in the '70s I believe.
my 90s one has a red circuit board like your 80s. perhaps a very early 90s one? also the components look very similar, it's pcb but the components are similar.
Thanks, good info. I’ve got a Crybaby Super, it’s quite different to these inside. Had it since early 90s and hardly touched it. Any ideas on the difference between Super and normal?
do you know about the different 'revisions'? i got one that was a 90s like yours, with an aftermarket pot, and some mods weird external mods done. and then i got another that's 2000s, or so... it says 'rev 2' on it, doesn't have a battery jack, and it has a bad pot in it that needs switched, a black modern one. i've heard there's a bunch of 'revisions' but haven't been able to find a breakdown online
Its far too easy to shop online these days ... I better stay away from Ebay before MORE packages arrive at my house and the wife loses it hehe. Cool video ... I think you need a Crybaby from each decade to feel complete tho :)
I've just bought for 30 bucks a crybaby online, I think that it was made in the '80s, it has the serial number stamped (CB003784) and got no DC jack, it doesn't have that white plug yours have in the board, cables are connected in some metallic needles... I don't know if that one is considered Vintage or rare or something, because the board is the same a Thomas organ is but with different caps and a "stack of dimes" inductor labeled "03"... And it actually sounds great! I was thinking about changing the circuit to my VOX v847a and do a couple mods... But I don't know
good video. i’m trying to figure when mine was made. I have an old Thomas Organ Co. that was handed down to me by a cousin. SN: 1983904. The back plate and inside circuits look identical to the one you have. Even has all the original elastic rubber bands holding the wires together.
quick update, did a little digging around some old forums and figured out that you can add 57 to the first two numbers of the serial and that should give you the year of manufacture. not sure how true this is but makes sense.
I have a question about the yellow Fasel mod - was that originally a TDK? Can you swap the TDK for a Fasel on the old Thomas Organ boards? PM me if it's a long explanation please.
it was a stack of dimes. ive never changed the inductor on a tdk. you could look on the back of the board, and see if the pins line up with the ones on a fasel.
I have the same exact pedal. I purchase it new from GC in Fountain Valley California on 4-4-1994. Mine has the metal part not the blue one like the one in your video. My serial number is AA-14E378. Feel free to contact me. I'm a gear hound just like yourself. In the future I want to get the new flagship 535Q from Dunlop. The ones that you and I have sound great and now it plays easy. I had to remove the plastic washer under the switch. It was making it had to switch on and off. I feel that was a screw up on Dunlop's part with that. That is the only mod I did to mine. I could always put it back in again but, it would be not wise to do. I don't use wah much but, they are a cool effect to use sparingly.
we both have thesame wha wha pedal with the blue pot. that pot seems to be burr brown type pot which is a closed type pot with plastic trace inside rather than traditional cardbon. according to a some experts, we both have an early to mid 90s pedal. 90-92 had the clear plastic in/out jacks but in 93 they changed to black jacks. right around that time they also change to the torodial inductor with the brass nut on top. right at the time they also have greenish/clear PCB. in 96 they came up with opaque color PCB board. so judging from what iv read, we both have 93 pedal because of the clear to black jacks, and 95 because of the PCB color being green clear board and not 96. we both slill have a very old wha pedal of early mid to mid 90s.
I just picked up a crybaby with the 80's backplate but with the 9 volt jack. So probably more like 85? Any ideas? The pot is metal and says Dunlop MFR. Hot Potz. Type EJ. Extra Life. Mexico. Any ideas? Picked it up for twenty bucks and am gonna send it out to get true bypass and LED mods
Actuate job on the dating.
90/91 the had the inductor without the cap and the brass nut on top -
also went to the green board around that time then back to the brown shortly
after that. I have the same one. And ’75
for the Thomas organ is really close. I have
a few and I bought one with a 2005xxxx serial number from the original owner
and he bought it new in ’76.
Thomas Organ Co obtained their patent for Wah pedals on 22nd Sept 1970. As yours says patent pending it's going to be 1971 or before, depending on how long it took them to change the wording on the base plate and use up old stock. I started working in guitar shops in 1986 and the JEN Cry Baby (2 words) was still being produced until the mid 1980s. The JEN factory in Italy had made wahs for VOX and Thomas. Dunlop acquired the rights to the name in 1982/3 so no Dunlops existed before that. The first Dunlops started appearing in the mid 1980s and were still called Cry Baby. I remember Clapton was using one in 1989/ 90. I was selling them new in the shop at that point. It was a few years later (I would say around 1990) that Dunlop started to call them original Crybaby (one word). I assumed that merging the 2 words meant he could call them "original" since they weren't! I would say that they changed from the metal jacks to plastic PCB mounted around 1990 give or take a year and added the power socket. For several years they had the large metal pots in before they briefly had the blue ones and then the hotpotz 2. The blue ones I would say came in around 1998 or even later but were only used briefly. Also the Jim Dunlop USA logo was a later additon so I'd say that one may even be early 2000s. The trouble is, I've sold and worked on so many of the bloody things over the years that I can't remember precisely when the changes took place!
that looks like maybe a mid 90s crybaby the first one? i just got an early or mid 90s one myself. it has a very primitive looking circuit board, could have been modded. but the board mounted jacks mean 90s... i'd love to find one that doesn't have board mounted jacks.
i got a 70s/80s model gcb95 crybaby with a stack of dimes inductor! for the standard price. super cool! looks more like a thomas organ than a gcb95
If that wah pedal says Thomas organ company on the bottom it's an old original and probably worth more. It was bought by Jim Dunlop company in the '70s I believe.
I have one like that first one but the pot isn’t the blue one, it has a black Hot Pot.
my 90s one has a red circuit board like your 80s. perhaps a very early 90s one? also the components look very similar, it's pcb but the components are similar.
Thanks, good info. I’ve got a Crybaby Super, it’s quite different to these inside. Had it since early 90s and hardly touched it. Any ideas on the difference between Super and normal?
do you know about the different 'revisions'? i got one that was a 90s like yours, with an aftermarket pot, and some mods weird external mods done. and then i got another that's 2000s, or so... it says 'rev 2' on it, doesn't have a battery jack, and it has a bad pot in it that needs switched, a black modern one. i've heard there's a bunch of 'revisions' but haven't been able to find a breakdown online
Its far too easy to shop online these days ... I better stay away from Ebay before MORE packages arrive at my house and the wife loses it hehe. Cool video ... I think you need a Crybaby from each decade to feel complete tho :)
This is the one thing I miss going over to the gt100. I have this very cry baby model. :@)
I've just bought for 30 bucks a crybaby online, I think that it was made in the '80s, it has the serial number stamped (CB003784) and got no DC jack, it doesn't have that white plug yours have in the board, cables are connected in some metallic needles... I don't know if that one is considered Vintage or rare or something, because the board is the same a Thomas organ is but with different caps and a "stack of dimes" inductor labeled "03"... And it actually sounds great! I was thinking about changing the circuit to my VOX v847a and do a couple mods... But I don't know
Ivhave 1969 cry baby in its original bag righr next to me.
Is it a JEN, Thomas or VOX?
@@nickhirst999 cry baby
good video. i’m trying to figure when mine was made. I have an old Thomas Organ Co. that was handed down to me by a cousin. SN: 1983904. The back plate and inside circuits look identical to the one you have. Even has all the original elastic rubber bands holding the wires together.
quick update, did a little digging around some old forums and figured out that you can add 57 to the first two numbers of the serial and that should give you the year of manufacture. not sure how true this is but makes sense.
I have a question about the yellow Fasel mod - was that originally a TDK? Can you swap the TDK for a Fasel on the old Thomas Organ boards? PM me if it's a long explanation please.
it was a stack of dimes. ive never changed the inductor on a tdk. you could look on the back of the board, and see if the pins line up with the ones on a fasel.
I have the same exact pedal. I purchase it new from GC in Fountain Valley California on 4-4-1994. Mine has the metal part not the blue one like the one in your video. My serial number is AA-14E378. Feel free to contact me. I'm a gear hound just like yourself. In the future I want to get the new flagship 535Q from Dunlop. The ones that you and I have sound great and now it plays easy. I had to remove the plastic washer under the switch. It was making it had to switch on and off. I feel that was a screw up on Dunlop's part with that. That is the only mod I did to mine. I could always put it back in again but, it would be not wise to do. I don't use wah much but, they are a cool effect to use sparingly.
we both have thesame wha wha pedal with the blue pot. that pot seems to be burr brown type pot which is a closed type pot with plastic trace inside rather than traditional cardbon.
according to a some experts, we both have an early to mid 90s pedal.
90-92 had the clear plastic in/out jacks but in 93 they changed to black jacks. right around that time they also change to the torodial inductor with the brass nut on top.
right at the time they also have greenish/clear PCB.
in 96 they came up with opaque color PCB board.
so judging from what iv read,
we both have 93 pedal because of the clear to black jacks, and 95 because of the PCB color being green clear board and not 96.
we both slill have a very old wha pedal of early mid to mid 90s.
my original wah with a brown box is number AA28705 WITH POT CH0022 100K, CAN YOU HELP WITH THE YEAR? THANKS A LOT
I just picked up a crybaby with the 80's backplate but with the 9 volt jack. So probably more like 85? Any ideas? The pot is metal and says Dunlop MFR. Hot Potz. Type EJ. Extra Life. Mexico. Any ideas? Picked it up for twenty bucks and am gonna send it out to get true bypass and LED mods
DoctorRobair hard to say without seeing it. But for $20, you cant go wrong..
What's the SN of the 80s one? Mine's CB041754
StoneCole did you ever figure this out?
1986
I hear ya brother ;)