it's November 2022 now and I saw saxon last night ( 15th ) at the forum in Bath that holds 1,600 people , the place was almost fall , youngsters ( aged 16 onwards , ) plus people in there 30s and of course diehard fans that grew with the band from the 1980s was there . saxon are a very good live act . I've seen them 3 times now over the last 15 years ( first heard if them when I saw the documentary on channel 4 in 2007 and brought the album that came off the back of the doc --- the inner sanctum. it's a good cd
Goldsmith did wonders with saxon. Since then they've sounded much better live. Not that there was anything wrong with the original sound, but he definitely helped them ramp up the enthusiasm by a few gears. Even when they play the originals now days it hits the soul a million times harder than it did prior to this show
Very sad for the soccer field show, but it didn't seem like a good idea from the beginning. Saxon does not deserve this. Saxon are life story of many of us. And they will accompany us in eternity. From Spain, long live Saxon.
In a way, it didn't matter whether it was a success or a disaster... it got them a lot of attention and may have helped them to sell out Sheffield City Hall. They couldn't do it before. Goldsmith knows what he is doing.
Saxon deserve better than this, but they agreed to do it. This type of TV does my head in....same old format of a thousand other tv shows...yeah I watched because... I don't know??? any way I'm headin to the gig in Dublin on the 5thDec, oh yeah, all because of this $h1t. Rock on Saxon!!!!
Saxon may not have achieved the commercial heights of Iron Maiden, Metallica, Judas Priest or Def Leppard but they are legends among metalheads the world over and continue to make incredibly crafted works of classic metal to this day. All because they didn't change their image or style. And the football thing was a joke and such a lousy idea. I can't believe Harvey was having a go at them about it, it was his idea and it backfired but probably didn't want to accept that his idea was a load of crap and plummeted at the speed of a falling anvil.
I have to disagree. It may have looked like a car wreck on the tv, but who knows what effect it had. I lived in lincoln at the time of that saxon gig at the bivouac and was around the same age as those in the audience. The next week in the 6th form block at school, everyone was playing saxon records who had been to the gig. I'd never heard of them before and instantly fell in love with their music. Even despite a load of goth kids at my school being conned into thinking they were going see the cure, they didn't feel pissed about it one bit as they had discovered saxon. Who's to say the same effect didnt happen to a few youngsters at the football match. Not all results are physically shown.
@@ryanmccallum4309 You might be right but I am not really sure if it's the same dynamic going on with the band performing in front of the football crowd as it is with the gig in Lincoln. While sure enough, the audience were tricked into seeing The Cure but ended up seeing a 40 year old heavy metal band from the NWOBHM-era, that crowd were still primed to see something live and energetic and in doing so, Saxon's performance was very well received. They were in the mindset for that and even those who had never heard of Saxon before became fans such as yourself from it. It's also like how fans go to see a major band but also end up falling in love or even more in love with the support band who were still relatively unknown at the time. That's partly how US hard rock/metal superstars Van Halen became successful when they opened for Black Sabbath back in the late 70's. It was unlike anything anyone had ever seen and people just fed off of their energy and exuberance, ultimately blowing the much older and more established Black Sabbath off stage. In this football game, the crowd were primed for the reception of a much more different form of entertainment in sporting and thus their threshold to get excited was set at another activation energy level altogether. Therefore when Saxon appeared, they just weren't interested because they were ready for something else and this just wasn't anything like the form of entertainment they had been all geared up for. And as if that wasn't enough, Saxon didn't play live, they just posed with their guitars and headbanged a bit to a playing of the song, so I don't really see how it would have done much exposure for them to the majority of the crowd when they didn't deliver the full extent of their product.
Harvey Goldsmith did well for the band. The football air guitar mission was a failure, I thought the indie producers was a odd choice that wouldn't well - but he helped turn them around and give them a new boost.
One of those producers was Dave Ruffy from the ruts/ruts dc a punk legend. So not completely left field he worked with some of the London metal bands back in the day, they seem to forget to mention that but I suppose for dramatic effect.
I had never watched this until recently, but if it came out around the time of the Inner Sanctum, I am truly baffled as to why the band needed this so-called help. Lionheart was a stone cold classic and one of their best. Thought it as soon as it was released - still think it now. Much of Inner Sanctum is also great, but certainly not the particular song this guy helped out on. Their stuff just isn't meant for the masses, and getting that Maiden/Smallwood partnership and rise to megastardom is such a one in a million occurrence. I understand wanting to succeed financially but if your die-hard fans get of whiff of insincerity, you can kiss that base goodbye, and then you're left with nothing. I think they're probably finding with the success Sacrifice, Battering Ram, and their best selling album of late, Thunderbolt, that any successful rebound at their level is a marathon and not a sprint.
@@ericcotter4684 'I understand wanting to succeed financially but if your diehard fans get of whiff of insincerity, you can kiss that base goodbye and then you're left with nothing'. That's exactly what happened to Saxon back in the 80's when they moved away from their original NWOBHM sound and shifted towards a more commercial pop metal/glam metal sound from 1984 until the end of the decade in an attempt to conquer the US market much like Def Leppard and Judas Priest did (with Turbo for the latter). Saxon were already considered a leading British heavy metal band from the NWOBHM era but when they went all pop metal, they corroded their European fan base and even after that, still failed to conquer the US market. 'You can't sell Coca Cola to the Americans' -stated by Biff in an interview. Abandoning their hopes to conquer the US market, they then returned to their raw metal with Solid Ball of Rock and this has resulted in their strongest material for the last 30 years and a restoration of their European fan base. Real heavy metal was never intended for the masses, bands like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath and even Judas Priest got very lucky.
Goldsmith treating rock legends like a fucking boyband, biff & the lads were pretty much pressured into this fucking awful stunt & i bet the boys have nightmares about it to this day.. all they needed was tweeking & sensible promotion.. can you imagine Maiden doing this dumbarse bullshit, Harvey hasn't got a clue how to promote a band like saxon & he could kill off Maiden in a month if they gave him the opportunity.. why Saxon are not on the success level of bands like Maiden is an anomaly that nobody can put there finger on, they are undeniably as good f not better than Maiden & sadly it is what it is still to this day in 2019 but they are going strong with a hard earned fanbase & god love em for it.. LONG LIVE SAXON.
I don't really understand how they went from only selling 200 tickets to filling out the city hall. What did Goldsmith do? The football ground performance was never going to work. Bottom line is make good albums and perform good gigs.
I was at the City Hall gig. They gave away a load of free tickets (mine was free, I wouldn't have paid to go). They've also shot/edited this so that you can't see that the place was half-empty. Also, the producers were trying to get myself and other younger attendees to go near the front and act like they were super into it, with the promise that we'd be on TV. I didn't do it because I didn't care about being on TV and I'm not really into the band at all. If they didn't give away free tickets, the attendance for this would have been embarrassing, I can promise you that. Not to say it was a bad performance, they were decent, but young people weren't willingly paying to go to this gig in their droves like this TV show would want you to believe
If I was them - at 2-0 down - aiming for the record air guitar (so not necessarily having to play the new single) I'd have gone for 'Never Surrender'. . just may 2 cents - many may disagree
I'm sorry, but all those keyboard warriors slagging Harvey off just because it's so easy to do have no idea about what he done for hundreds of bands over the last 40 years. He's been the single most important promoter in Britain. And, no, I'm not related to him.
it's November 2022 now and I saw saxon last night ( 15th ) at the forum in Bath that holds 1,600 people , the place was almost fall , youngsters ( aged 16 onwards , ) plus people in there 30s and of course diehard fans that grew with the band from the 1980s was there . saxon are a very good live act . I've seen them 3 times now over the last 15 years ( first heard if them when I saw the documentary on channel 4 in 2007 and brought the album that came off the back of the doc --- the inner sanctum. it's a good cd
Goldsmith did wonders with saxon. Since then they've sounded much better live. Not that there was anything wrong with the original sound, but he definitely helped them ramp up the enthusiasm by a few gears. Even when they play the originals now days it hits the soul a million times harder than it did prior to this show
Very sad for the soccer field show, but it didn't seem like a good idea from the beginning. Saxon does not deserve this. Saxon are life story of many of us. And they will accompany us in eternity. From Spain, long live Saxon.
In a way, it didn't matter whether it was a success or a disaster... it got them a lot of attention and may have helped them to sell out Sheffield City Hall. They couldn't do it before. Goldsmith knows what he is doing.
It's not soccer, it's football. And, yes, they did make arseholes of themselves.
Harvey Goldsmith. What a complete chancer. Always passing the buck.
Saxon deserve better than this, but they agreed to do it. This type of TV does my head in....same old format of a thousand other tv shows...yeah I watched because... I don't know??? any way I'm headin to the gig in Dublin on the 5thDec, oh yeah, all because of this $h1t. Rock on Saxon!!!!
Saxon may not have achieved the commercial heights of Iron Maiden, Metallica, Judas Priest or Def Leppard but they are legends among metalheads the world over and continue to make incredibly crafted works of classic metal to this day. All because they didn't change their image or style.
And the football thing was a joke and such a lousy idea. I can't believe Harvey was having a go at them about it, it was his idea and it backfired but probably didn't want to accept that his idea was a load of crap and plummeted at the speed of a falling anvil.
I have to disagree. It may have looked like a car wreck on the tv, but who knows what effect it had. I lived in lincoln at the time of that saxon gig at the bivouac and was around the same age as those in the audience. The next week in the 6th form block at school, everyone was playing saxon records who had been to the gig. I'd never heard of them before and instantly fell in love with their music. Even despite a load of goth kids at my school being conned into thinking they were going see the cure, they didn't feel pissed about it one bit as they had discovered saxon. Who's to say the same effect didnt happen to a few youngsters at the football match. Not all results are physically shown.
@@ryanmccallum4309 You might be right but I am not really sure if it's the same dynamic going on with the band performing in front of the football crowd as it is with the gig in Lincoln. While sure enough, the audience were tricked into seeing The Cure but ended up seeing a 40 year old heavy metal band from the NWOBHM-era, that crowd were still primed to see something live and energetic and in doing so, Saxon's performance was very well received. They were in the mindset for that and even those who had never heard of Saxon before became fans such as yourself from it. It's also like how fans go to see a major band but also end up falling in love or even more in love with the support band who were still relatively unknown at the time.
That's partly how US hard rock/metal superstars Van Halen became successful when they opened for Black Sabbath back in the late 70's. It was unlike anything anyone had ever seen and people just fed off of their energy and exuberance, ultimately blowing the much older and more established Black Sabbath off stage.
In this football game, the crowd were primed for the reception of a much more different form of entertainment in sporting and thus their threshold to get excited was set at another activation energy level altogether. Therefore when Saxon appeared, they just weren't interested because they were ready for something else and this just wasn't anything like the form of entertainment they had been all geared up for. And as if that wasn't enough, Saxon didn't play live, they just posed with their guitars and headbanged a bit to a playing of the song, so I don't really see how it would have done much exposure for them to the majority of the crowd when they didn't deliver the full extent of their product.
Harvey Goldsmith did well for the band. The football air guitar mission was a failure, I thought the indie producers was a odd choice that wouldn't well - but he helped turn them around and give them a new boost.
One of those producers was Dave Ruffy from the ruts/ruts dc a punk legend. So not completely left field he worked with some of the London metal bands back in the day, they seem to forget to mention that but I suppose for dramatic effect.
I had never watched this until recently, but if it came out around the time of the Inner Sanctum, I am truly baffled as to why the band needed this so-called help. Lionheart was a stone cold classic and one of their best. Thought it as soon as it was released - still think it now. Much of Inner Sanctum is also great, but certainly not the particular song this guy helped out on. Their stuff just isn't meant for the masses, and getting that Maiden/Smallwood partnership and rise to megastardom is such a one in a million occurrence. I understand wanting to succeed financially but if your die-hard fans get of whiff of insincerity, you can kiss that base goodbye, and then you're left with nothing. I think they're probably finding with the success Sacrifice, Battering Ram, and their best selling album of late, Thunderbolt, that any successful rebound at their level is a marathon and not a sprint.
@@ericcotter4684 'I understand wanting to succeed financially but if your diehard fans get of whiff of insincerity, you can kiss that base goodbye and then you're left with nothing'.
That's exactly what happened to Saxon back in the 80's when they moved away from their original NWOBHM sound and shifted towards a more commercial pop metal/glam metal sound from 1984 until the end of the decade in an attempt to conquer the US market much like Def Leppard and Judas Priest did (with Turbo for the latter).
Saxon were already considered a leading British heavy metal band from the NWOBHM era but when they went all pop metal, they corroded their European fan base and even after that, still failed to conquer the US market.
'You can't sell Coca Cola to the Americans' -stated by Biff in an interview.
Abandoning their hopes to conquer the US market, they then returned to their raw metal with Solid Ball of Rock and this has resulted in their strongest material for the last 30 years and a restoration of their European fan base. Real heavy metal was never intended for the masses, bands like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath and even Judas Priest got very lucky.
That manager is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
Their manager is absolutely hopeless
Goldsmith treating rock legends like a fucking boyband, biff & the lads were pretty much pressured into this fucking awful stunt & i bet the boys have nightmares about it to this day.. all they needed was tweeking & sensible promotion.. can you imagine Maiden doing this dumbarse bullshit, Harvey hasn't got a clue how to promote a band like saxon & he could kill off Maiden in a month if they gave him the opportunity.. why Saxon are not on the success level of bands like Maiden is an anomaly that nobody can put there finger on, they are undeniably as good f not better than Maiden & sadly it is what it is still to this day in 2019 but they are going strong with a hard earned fanbase & god love em for it.. LONG LIVE SAXON.
It's great TV actually. Real life Spinal Tap.
Well "real life" maybe haha. Seriously, who has Silent Bob as a manager? lol
The program was edited to make the current manager look bad.
This is Spinal Tap en pure.
Football and metal obviously not a perfect match
Keep on smiling guys
I don't really understand how they went from only selling 200 tickets to filling out the city hall. What did Goldsmith do? The football ground performance was never going to work. Bottom line is make good albums and perform good gigs.
Probably gave a lad away but i reckon they would of sold it out on there own merits if the sales period was the usual six plus months
I was at the City Hall gig. They gave away a load of free tickets (mine was free, I wouldn't have paid to go). They've also shot/edited this so that you can't see that the place was half-empty.
Also, the producers were trying to get myself and other younger attendees to go near the front and act like they were super into it, with the promise that we'd be on TV. I didn't do it because I didn't care about being on TV and I'm not really into the band at all.
If they didn't give away free tickets, the attendance for this would have been embarrassing, I can promise you that. Not to say it was a bad performance, they were decent, but young people weren't willingly paying to go to this gig in their droves like this TV show would want you to believe
sucks for you and those fans. Saxon is awesome... go back to.ure taylor swift album
If I was them - at 2-0 down - aiming for the record air guitar (so not necessarily having to play the new single) I'd have gone for 'Never Surrender'. . just may 2 cents - many may disagree
Never Change a Metal Band!
They should have done the air guitar stunt at Blundell Park.
Bandanna guy trying loads with the stylist lol
Nice horn salute @ 19:45 Goldstein
WTF is that in the background at 1:01?
He even had them change their logo?
It was probably sold out when he said there were 207 tickets sold
Manager.... manager?.... manager?... Manuel!
I'm sorry, but all those keyboard warriors slagging Harvey off just because it's so easy to do have no idea about what he done for hundreds of bands over the last 40 years. He's been the single most important promoter in Britain. And, no, I'm not related to him.
Cringe but bless they seem so innocent
Know that Biff was born in Huddersfield about 6 miles from where I live the wonders of Wikipedia
Booorish football fans. Felt sorry for Saxon.
Shame transition music is from other artists
10:00 Shit!
*starts playing guitars*
THIS IS NOT DUBSTEP
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO