@@Relltheman5 Some were, and there's a screenshot of one of them immediately claiming to feel "ganged up on" and dipping when Joel asked if they could have a legitimate convo about this. If you think the Joel harassment is bad (it absolutely is bad, and is brain dead behavior), people harassed the VA for Jar Jar Binks to the point of the actor almost game ending. It's sad, but some people will never cease to disappoint you over the most ridiculous things.
It's happened before with the Ghostbusters actor who played Walter Peck, and is just as sh*tty. You can't hate on an actor for the role they played. It's called "Acting" for a reason!
Yeah, and it's so pervasive. You'd think that it only happens in fandoms that are on the younger side, but even actors who played soap opera villains get publicly harassed.
It sucks because Hazbin & Helluva are both SUCH a good watch. But the fandom makes people wanna stay away from the show without even checking it out first.
I've met a woman in the middle of the airport with a little Val keychain, and ended up having a very nice conversation about Hazbin Hotel. She wasn't anything like the character and was actually really chill and kind, I left that airport happy. I agree it's crazy to attack people who like bad characters, what do you think Adam fans are doing? And Lute? Both of these characters are awful people, though perhaps not in the same way as Val is, yet no one sends death threats to fans of those characters. While I personally dislike Val, it's downright bonkers to assume these absolutely horrible things of people who appreciate bad characters, and consequently harass them. Thank you for bringing light to the situation, and for another amazing video.
Don’t forget about Alastor who, while he is on the ‘good guy’s side’ is a literal serial killer yet is arguably the most popular character from Hazbin.
Exactly. Just because we like evil characters, doesn’t automatically mean we worship them like the next coming of Christ. “And the first coming was already pretty good” - Caddicarus One of my favourite Marvel characters is John Walker. The amount of divide and hate he got when Falcon and Winter Soldier came out was immense. If you liked him, you were a psychopath and also disrespecting Steve Rogers. If you disliked him, you were a Steve Rogers fanboy. No one would let anyone be 50/50 or like/dislike for any other reason. He’s one of my favourite characters because he’s someone who can bounce back and forth between being a hero you root for and feel bad to, to a anti-hero/villain who sends chills down your spine and say “okay you went too far”. Those are my favourite characters. The ones who keep people on edge and are super complex. Like how we’re complex, so are the characters we see. So imagine how sad/little pissed off I felt when I saw a tik toker make a video saying “if you like John Walker you have jaded morals” even though I like his character for how complex and interesting he is to watch. Not because I go to the “Church of John F. Walker, the Captain America who replaced Stevie Boy” and pray to the Johnny Walkers above for violence and gore. Like, he’s entertaining. Stop making assumptions about who I am as a person ☹️.
Same. I have had so many shocked looks and gasps because I as a christian, like hazbin hotel and helluva boss. i mean they are stories told by a great creator and crew. Doesn't change or alter my theological beliefs at all.
I think that’s an issue as well. The hate is specifically on Val and not ANY of the other villains (or the ‘morally grey’ characters). If fans hated all of them it’d definitely be bonkers, but it’s the fact that they brush other everyone else’s deeds and hyper focus on everything Val does when there are others who are just as bad as him. Like no one points out how Vox told Pentious to kill himself after he failed him, or how Velvette makes Love potions that even Asmodeus calls BS to, or how Carmilla is an arms dealer who just adds to the growing conflict of Hell, or how Rosie is a Cannibal whose town only helped not out of a place of morality but because they would get lunch. If no one is criticised for liking these guys then the same applies to people who like Val, and it amazes me that we now have to say that liking a character doesn’t mean you support their actions.
Poor Joel. I actually just met him recently at Grand Rapids Comic Con last month and he was so kind. I talked with him about Masquerade as it’s my favorite episode from the series so far and I went over the reasons I love that episode, even getting a bit emotional when talking about the harder moments in the episode and how well written those moments are and he said that an episode like that was important for the story telling of the show. He even gave me a bracelet with pink and and purple beads and Valentino’s name, and he gave me that for free even though that was something meant to be bought by fans. That was so sweet of him especially since I didn’t even ask, he just straight up put it on my wrist. I did make my opinion and disdain for the character known to him, but I wasn’t critical of him just because he voices my least favorite character. Hell, the whole reason I wanted to go to Grand Rapids Comic Con was because I found out through a Facebook group that I’m a part of that Joel was going to be there. The funny thing is, the night I saw that post was the same evening my mom and I went to see Dierks Bentley at Van Andel Arena, and while we were walking to our seats before the show started I talked about wanting to see some of the Hazbin Hotel, Helluva Boss actors, or even Viv if they ever came to Michigan for an event at Van Andel. That’s not where Comic Con was, instead, it was at Devos Place, but still, just the fact I happen to learn that Joel was indeed coming to my home state, the exact same day I bring it up to my mom… it’s like I just had some kind of sixth sense about him potentially coming to the state I’m from. My goodness that was such a blast, but OMG it was also super expensive. Totally worth it though because it was epic!
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
@@torablack The original plans for S1 were released a while back (this was during the pilot era), and u could see that it definitely was not as rushed as the one we got. If I remember correctly, S1 pilot finale was not going to be the extermination day.
I feel like the rushed pacing was Amazon's fault, remember only 2 seasons were guaranteed at the time. It's kinda like the Owl House season 3 situation but they had no room from the getgo
1:06 What the actual fuck was that for? Seriously, where's human decency? Poor, poor Kovach! As someone who hasn't very positive opinions on Val, I think that even if I HAD SOMETHING POSITIVE TO SAY ABOUT HIM I WOULD KEEP THAT VIDEO PROJECT FOR LATER THAT DAY !
It's like something that they do in consenting and openly communicative BDSM. The voice actor didn't ask or want to be groped or touched or talked down to like that.
Bruh, I didn't even realize that TSuki Hound was AI, I have been really trying to watch out for AI. I feel really bad and am sorry to Ayy Lamo. I can't believe I got tricked and was hoping I could avoid the AI.
Same. I've occasionally watched their shorts despite them regurgitating info that was already said by Ayy Lmao, but I never knew that was an AI voice. It's scary how good AI is getting...
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
@@torablack Amazon doesn't care about that. It's not Viv's fault how short season 1 was. If Hazbin got good money from being on youtube, season 1 would of been way better and longer. But youtube hates any content that's not kid-friendly.
I've watched a few of their shorts, just randomly clicking in my reccommended and at first I thought it was this channel and he just changed his name. Then I was like "wait.. this doesn't sound like Ayy Lmao" So now I'm worried about opening shorts unless its directly from this channel's shorts page bc I dont want to support AI or content theft.
I believe people forget that clothing DOESN'T DEFINE YOUR PERSONALITY. Cosplaying is a form of expression of one's interests. NOT their PERSONALITY. This is the same shit that People covered in tattoos, Emos, and Goths had to go though in the late 80's all up to the late 2000s. I thought we as a society have gone past forming prejudiced opinions of someone purely based off of what someone wears. smh.
Some people can't even handle someone with a different skin colour and you think people can move past hating other people for wearing certain cloths!!!
@@AdanSolas CAN define what you wear. I know LOTS of people whose sense of fashion fools their actual personality. You're not completely right. And please be more explanatory on its uses outside of being driven by prejudice?
23:45 what makes the situation with Erica sadder is that her fiance passed away around when she was being harassed, so she really wasn't in a good head space already. I believe this is why it took a long while for her to resume voice acting again, which i don't blame her for.
While I do hate Valentino, I would never go out of the way to harass the voice actor. The character they play doesn’t always represent them in real life.
Same! I don’t approve of Val’s actions(I mean who would, it’s disgusting) but he is a well written character, also his design is one of my favorites :D
I think most of the problems with the bad side of the fandom is that people are chronic online, making them not knowing what is real and fake and making things way to sireus.
I agree, and think that vivziepop's shows have flourished and suffered from everything being online. A lot of good came from it all being an online community enjoying and supporting a creator, but also a lot of toxic behavior and "controversy" from every little detail online.
Something I think is sad as well is the fact that there are some innocent fans that DONT hate and since people who don’t watch the show assume everyone are just toxic fans, they attack the innocent ones. This happens to me when I play games online, people hate on me for liking it probably since they hate the fandom, I don’t see myself as a toxic fan since I don’t even speak out or hate anything about the characters or the shows story.
As a huge fan in the fandom I agree a majority of the fandom are pretty cool people and I love the shows but the problems that have come up due to crazy people in the fandom should definitely be talked about amazing vid!!
Ooh. Thanks for actually bringing up TsuikiHound. I actually have watched some of his videos and I didn’t realize this about his videos although when I did watch them the voice seemed more like a weird male Siri or Alexa. 😓 Oof. Well, I definitely will stay away from that particular channel now. Again, thanks for bringing that to my attention.😓
@ Kinda reminds me of Blooms, who is a big South Park creator and his investigation of the RUclips channel Ceric Artman, a channel that is AI and makes videos about South Park. I feel bad for Blooms and I hope Ceric Artman doesn’t end up destroying his channel because Blooms is very passionate about South Park and his content surrounding it.
Hazbin hotel and helluva boss are not the only franchises that have this problem, most franchises suffer though this and the thing to do that I've been doing is just ignore them, they just want attention because they think being negative is the way to get attraction. This whole thing that happens with almost every franchises is the reason why there all are getting ruined and falling apart because people can't just learn to be respectful, nice and kind to all people and respect people's opinions if you like them or not.
Dude I'm in the Star Wars fandom and it's like walking on eggshells in there. You say one random thing and get bombarded by manchildren who will start an entire fight over nothing, going as far as harrassing not only other fans but also people who work on the shows or movies. There was an entire thing with an actress distancing herself from the franchise because toxic "fans" kept throwing racist insults her way only to spin the narrative and blame her for "exagarrating". It was hella messy.
Most of the established characters are worse than Valentino. But he hit the sexy spider who spins the wheel of my sexuality so he's the worst. [I'm of course sarcastic. But seriously, my favourite characters are Angel and Valentino, and the crap that Val's fans and Joel Perez have to put up with is unjustifiable.]
We've already seen in shows like Steven Universe and Loud House that a perfectly good show can be ruined by a toxic fanbase. It's sad really when you take a second to think about it.
If we can't like Valentino without being bad people, what about the Alastor fans? The Vox-obsessed ones? Adam and lute enjoyers? Velvette lovers? It's absurd.
Oh trust me, as a massive Adam fan, we do get shit on too. Not nearly as bad as Valentino, but it does happen. We have been condescended about various things (like just making theories about potential return as a Sinner) and for the female fans of Adam, we often get blasted that we only like him cuz we like shitty men, which is not true. Their argument for why we are crazy for liking Adam is because "He'S A gEnoCiDal MuRdErER!!111" and when we point out that Alastor is a serial killer and clearly can't be trusted, their defense is "Al KiLLs BaD pEoPlE!!11". Literally, that really isn't any better is it? I relate to Adam in a number of surprising ways tbh, but I'm aware not everyone will like his character, which is fine, but its absolutely crazy that us Adam fans sometimes get labelled as stupid because haters think we are just bland as fuck simps. Sadly, Valentino fans (and his voice actor) get it the absolute worse and it's just plain stupid and sad. People need to grow the fuck up.
As another adam fan, i gat hated on aswell. But the val hate is just absurd. The fact that you get hated for liking a villian in general is just... its not even like, the angel fans hating on val, its the "imma watch corn on vox's while *********************" (once met a guy with that exact flair on reddit) i mean yea kts for adults but it does not justify the crazy vox/velvette fans. Just leave the people alone?!
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
Or just Viv hate fandoms. He could also then talk about the more sane people who may have some valid criticisms of both shows, but then give his opinion
Of course, criticize the people that have a right to, not like whatever is going on, because they're the ones being directly affected, yes, criticized them for being open and having a mouth, I believe that saying, oh, criticize the hate fandom that isn't a fandom that is a group of people being open about their experiences. I've seen so many artists, and so many people get harassed for just getting a color on a character wrong or choosing to redesign that character I don't think people being open about their harassment and people being open about how they don't like how toxic the fandom can be. Sometimes I don't think they should be called Phantoms, if anything, they're victims of harassment and calling it a fandom is like belittling the severity of the harassment they received, I left the fandom because I received that it was so big that I was just like yeah I'm out there are people that hate it for no reason which is stupid to me, but at the same time, they're genuinely most people with nightmare situations from this show
I want the religious hate crowd (the ones who call the show unbiblical blasphemous propaganda and who say that the show “makes Satan the good guy”) to be involved in that list.
I am so happy that you are talking about this. So did follow tsuki hound but I was hoping that they were not just copying and pasting. But with people getting the same information in different places, sometimes it's hard to tell. But I am glad that you are pointing these out. Thank you very much. Also I love your videos. Please continue to share more 🥰
I’ve been recommended the Tsuki channel alot of times and every-time I always think it’s your channel. I’m surprised they’re not being called out on it more.
This is also the same thing we’re seeing in the helluva boss fandom too luckily I’m staying away from those attention seekers always starting drama latest on is regarding the last episode of HB which was loona bc if the latest merch that came out yeah it was tough, but there’s some that like to take it personally. These type of bad apples just like to stir up stuff.
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
i'll never forget when the hazbin fanbase decided to deny my abuse and claim that it didn't happen and that I only brought it up in my video for brownie points.
Omg I saw your Angel video and loved it so much! I'm so so sorry that the fanbase treated you horribly. You aren't obligated to share anything related to your abuse nor do you deserve the harrassment over a simple critique/opinion. It's absolutely despicable and I really hope you're doing better now and that it won't happen again. Nobody deserves to go through this.
I hope that if anyone in the fandom that does acts like they've described in this video sees this video and realizes that that kinda sounds like what they do, that they take a step back and reevaluate how they handle things regarding this fandom. Fandoms are a huge part of any media, the fans can make or break someone's experience, I hope at least some of these issues can be fixed even just a little
Everday drama is the everday life of a Hazbin fan. It's so frustrating because Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are my favorite series of all time and I love seeing fan content. But seeing all this VivziePop haters and nitpicker stop me from using twitter and Tumblr without filter.
Same here...my favourite 2 series of all time, and it hurts how the bad part of the fandom is like that...why the most amazing series/movies/videogames have the worst fandom?! Like seriously. A perfect example for me is UNDERTALE (my favourite videogame) every fandom has a good part and a bad part and that's completely normal. The good part of that fandom is AMAZING, a lot of people sharing love of the game (since 2017-2018 and the fandom still hasn't died) a lot of people with talent, making comics, fanarts (the good ones and not the rule34 ones xd), cosplays...and a lot of stuff. However, the bad part...is one of the worst bad parts of fandoms ever...(almost as bad as the bad part of the FNAF fandom which is very toxic). It's like dude...why. Also my favourite terror game is BATIM (Bendy And The Ink Machine) and Idk why not long ago there was controversy between that fandom and the HH fandom (I don't exactly remember why but I think it was about how an idea was stealed between Bendy and Alastor or sm like that) and seeing the fandom of my favourite series and my favourite terror videogame was...wow. It broke my heart a little 💔😢 Edit: Holy molly I didn't mean to write THAT much xd sorry you don't have to read all that. If you did thank you so much! Here's a cookie ^^ -->🍪
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
“Everyday drama is the everyday life of a Hazbin fan” is such a great summary for the Hazbin fandom Although not my number one favorite series, Hazbin/Helluva are definitely very close to the top for me and it is kind of sad to see the state of the fandom and the reputation of the show.
@@torablack Oh shoot that's right...let's see how the fandom reacts to the 2 season. HOPEFULLY it won't be as critized as the first one and the fandom will improve A LITTLE bit. I could be totally wrong though and the fandom will be the same or even get worse...better stay as always than get worse.
This fandom is fun and stupid at the same time! People need to know that this show is not a documentary! Joel is just playing a character, he is a sweet person in real life!
Heya! I'd like to clear up some things momentarely till Poldo (the person adressed at 11:43) responds, obviously to everyone reading this, don't harass anyone: 12:30 They didn't get him to make the video but more to recite the script that they already made and edit the video in his style that if it's good or bad it's your opinion. 13:00 the filler i agree and that they should've gotten someone from the actual Italian Hazbin hotel Community because there are some really good ones. 13:32 - 17:56 The points are similar but idk what you can really do to change the same information more than change where you bring up the events, provide other screenshots and use his words and style (which he did even in the clips you showed) and that by definition isn't copying. At the end of the day this is just documentary content, the information is going to be the same and what is really important is that you present it in your own way with your own style, sure, he could've given you credit but at the end of the day, he just said what Amazon Prime ITA told him to do. I understand that you've may have been upset by his actions but coming out here and potentially ruining Poldo's credibility over just reporting the same topic is a bit much, again, i understand your anger but this way isn't the right one, instead you could've talked with Poldo's himself and told him why this content was a bit too similar to yours, and don't worry, Poldo is very open to criticism and very approchable. I don't want this message to be seen as me attacking Ayy because i actually am a fan of his content, i just wanted to state my opinion and clearify some things that i could clarify myself, and Ayy don't take this as a personal attack, this is just a critique of a point in your video, nothing against you and how you do your videos which are actually fire!
grazie, mi dispiace troppo vedere poldo ritratto in questo modo anche se capisco che possa dare fastidio una situazione del genere a sto punto spero che possano chiarirsi in qualche modo e chiuderla pacificamente :')
Ah, those old Hunicast Streams are PURE 2020 Nostalgia for me. :3 Yeah, but the Fandom can be so annoying sometimes, but alot of Fandoms are like that.
I was at the convention when the Alastor blackface incident happened. I walked by them a couple times there were a lot of people surrounding them it was crazy!
Hazbin/Helluva has a LOT..no, TONS of flaws that clash with all the good ideas and it deserves critic and improment but not hate neither bully. Vivziepop has made many mistakes in the past for decisions and one another bad coment, she could deserve some eyebrows but not harass. The Fandom is mostly by horny, edgy, and kinda cringe teens that are here just because how atractive both this world and characters are, and there are the other teen fans or adults that are here because they genually care for this world what it promise, and even is i would love to say that we cant be judge guys, even if we are chill like other fans, we have to admit there are some really mess up people in this comunity, just look at the Valentinos VA controversy. So yeah this is a complicated theme, im a huge Hazbin fan but i do understand the reason of the reject some people have on it, i do think a lot take their dislike/hate way too seriously (especially here in Latinoamérica) and even if i would love it to end, i know things could just get worse because that's just how the Internet works.
Yeah I saw Tsuki Hound and I found them WAY to similar to you, yet you had a lot of passion driven into your content and videos + real motivation & honest opinion about topics- Hound is just bland and like they’re reading from a script, half of the stuff they talk about was reused or just straight up false news from Twitter
It's because of this that I try my best to not interact with the fandom too much, I just look for fanart or fanfics or fananimations or analysis threads that I like, give them likes, retweets, and positive comments, and maybe follow some, but that's it. I try my best to avoid haters and antis, and every time I see someone say "it's bad" I just tell them "then don't watch it", and that's it. Honestly, they should make mental health courses on how to interact with strangers on the internet instead of letting people learn from the interactions of the worst of the internet... The hardest thing to learn is to ignore haters and antis, and not reply to every stupid thing they say, because that's what they want from you, your attention. Just because they hate something doesn't mean I can't enjoy it on my own
So, if a person watches helluva and Hazbin and doesn’t like an aspect of it or just it in general. You just tell them “just don’t watch it”. WHAT ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO DO! Not watch anything if GOD FORBID they don’t like EVERYTHING in a show/movie. Everyone is different and are going to have different tastes in the types of media they consume. So to just tell people who don’t have the same opinion or viewpoints as you by essentially telling them to shut the fuck up is very hypocritical. Considering how you talked about how people with put you down for liking the shows. WELL NEWS FLASH! YOUR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE HATERS! PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHY THEY EXIST! THE PEOPLE WHO GLAZE THESE SHOWS AND SILENCES ANYONE WHO DOESN’T! INCLUDING THOSE IN THE FANDOM!
Also, I’m not talking about people who hate watch. I’m talking about who watch media, get disappointed, share their thoughts about how it could have been better. Then are told “well then why did you watch it?” It’s a stupid argument that has to end.
@@dud-bud21 Good luck finding them, I'll keep reminding haters that no one is forcing them to watch something they don't enjoy, and that they can spend all that time and energy watching something they actually like, have a nice day
It was fishy how ToonFanatic was able to release so many songs so quickly. I listened to a few of them but I didn’t really care for it. Knowing that it’s AI generated music makes so much sense now.
As much as I love the Hellaverse, the fandom has become as toxic as Steven Universe & Rick & Morty, I met Viv, and she’s such a sweetie, it sucks that many fandoms that have chill creators can be insanely toxic, and I hate and feel bad for them
I was in the Steven Universe Fandom yeah it pretty damn bad. I was also in the MLP fandom which was honsetly the worst fandom on the planet. I mean we got Lily Orchard from the MLP fandom it's hard to get worse then her. MLP is right up there with the sonic fandom tbh... And I've also been in the sonic fandom. If you don't know who Lily Orchard is... I envy you.
@@dabi-is-online23 I was referring to the toxic fans for sure, I’m very aware there are genuine people in the fandom, but usually the toxic ones are easily the most vocal.
Being a BEEG Hazbin Fan and seeing people get instantly judged for being one just really angers me because its so stupid to judge someone based on a show they like and not even because the person themselves are weird
22:32 that's my friend lightnite productions, he used to make ai covers but stopped per the wishes of the voice actors, he made a video explaining the situation and how he plans to do new types of content
Do you wanna know what the problem is with the FANDOM is that there are a lot of people who want to start shit either because they have some kind of vendetta against Viv /There are trolls in there that literally go angry whenever their ship is not canon, but the FANDOM does have a lot of good people in it. The bad ones are the problem. The trolls are the problem.
The haters are unfortunately an automatic variable when you become known enough to be talked about. The people who'll go against you arbitrarily and try to take you down just because you are "famous" (it happens even when you aren't super big, just as long as you get talked about in the area they're all over you).
The fandom is so cursed but yeah I’ve been in other fandoms that has been just as cursed. It’s crazy. Drama is literally everywhere and I can’t escape it. 😭 I just try to ignore it and try to stay happy and think positive. ❤
The fandom can be so toxic on AO3. People leaving hate comments on fics for daring to include a pairing that they don't like and is clearly tagged or calling authors problematic for writing dark/graphic scenes that they're probably not old enough to actually be reading. The AO3 HH readers are also just... incredibly entitled? Lots of very demanding comments like "write this/write this/include this/when's the next chapter/i want the next chapter now" like it all just reeks of immaturity. Reaaaally puts me off writing the last chapter of the radioapple fic I started posting in April.
Seriously I was once reading an incredibly good fanfic about how Alastor and Vox became friends and fell apart. Its a fairly big fic in the fandom to my knowledge you might even know what story I'm talking about. It was really well done with subtle hints about Vox liking Alastor, Alastor not noticing, and hints later on that Vox had befriended Valentino before Alastor knows, causing it to change Vox's behavior around Alastor, he start to vanish for days getting blackout drunk, which worries Alastor, then admits he wants to put porn on TV, something Alastor greatly dissaproves of. Even Vox's crush goes from an innocent crush to lustful, to the point where after a misunderstanding, Vox straight up SA's Alastor, freaking Alastor the fuck out, and is the true insiding incident that broke their friendship because when Alastor goes back to talk to Vox, it's there he meets Valentino. And Valentino was the true mastermind that maniplated and corrupted Vox. This causes Alastor to break things off. It was a geninuely amazing scene and it was protrayed as horrible and a tragedy. How Vox completely changed because he took advice from the wrong man. How Alastor, who rarely trusts anyone, was completely and utterly violated by someone he legitimately trusted for decades. It was really sad and emotionally gripping. The author told me how uncomfortable it was writing the SA scene. Yet they got harrassed on other sites over it. It's really sad because I'd legitimately aruge that that SA scene was written BETTER then the literal shows.
@@StainedGlassLamp Yes I'd heard about that! It's so frustrating that for some reason if themes like that get published in mainstream novels no one even bats an eye, but for some reason if you're writing and posting it for free, YOU'RE suddently the problem.
You can never escape the ship wars. I never understood why people get so bent out shape. All they need to do is not click on or search up a pairing they don't like. If it's randomly in your feed, then keep scrolling. Don't look at fics that have tags you can't handle/dislike. A fic or art belongs to the writer or artist. They have complete control over what they want to do with their creation, not randos. Some people have absolutely no class now and it's frustrating. I'm sorry you're getting people like that commenting on your fics. Writing isn't a strength of mine, so I *really appreciate* being able to read people's works. I couldn't imagine heckling authors when they are posting these stories FOR FREE. P.S. I love radioapple 😉.
@@IVEmeritus A03 can be quite wild there was some fandom where the title had the word "dragon" in it (i forget the actual title of the show) and several people starting fighting each other and started giving fic gifts, not to actually give a fic to something, but to just to shit on each other over some short of shipping issue within that fandom. ColelyDoesThings has a video about this I just haven't seen in it a while so I don't remember much about the full story. But the point stands. People are crazy. P.S. I don't like radioapple but I fully respect you, and I agree that people losing their mind over hating a ship that is not actively problematic are nuts. I even enjoy seeing art and reading fics of it from a artist/author perspective. See? It's that easy to be civil and respectful.
22:32 So, I obviously have to talk about this because I’m mentioned in this video. Of course, I already made a video dedicated to this entire thing, because at the time when I was creating these AI covers I did not know the damage it caused. All I saw was people being excited about watching my content, something which I hadn’t seen in years, so I made more of it. It actually sucked even for me, because I HATE copy pasted content. The only reason I continued to do them and the only reason THEY’RE STILL UP is because it makes people happy to watch the videos. Otherwise, if any voice actor came out to me directly and asked for anything to be taken down, I’m 100% taking whatever I need to down. Like I already mentioned, I’ve made a video regarding this entire issue, and I won’t continue making AI covers in the future. Any opinions anyone has towards these decisions, positive or negative, are completely valid in my eyes. I messed up, and I’m not gonna sugarcoat it. But it wasn’t because I didn’t want to pay voice actors, and it wasn’t because I wanted to purposefully content farm. It just wasn’t something I had thought about as I was continuing to make the covers, and it took me a minute to step back and realize what I was doing. Feel free to ask any questions regarding everything I’ve said and I’ll be sure to answer whenever I get a notification.
Honestly, this is really annoying as the artist I can’t even scroll in Instagram without seeing AI generated art of Hasman, Hotel Murder Drones, digital circus and then there’s all these channels. It’s just sad. It’s sad that people steal other peoples videos. Honestly me as an artist I’m worried do I now have to put a watermark a giant massive one over a video I post on Instagram or RUclips just so it doesn’t get stolen or put into AI, it’s just really sad
I’m mostly also just worried for my students I used to teach for two years. It’s just sad 😢honestly I wouldn’t wish this on any artist that means RUclips any type of artist, not AI artist, you’re not artist though
I just hate the fact that people would treat every fan rudely for no reason just because of the fandom. I did absolutely nothing to the haters, but still get disrespected regardless
Ngl, I find it kinda funny how shipping in HH and HB leads to arguments or worse, but back in 2015/16 shipping in Undertale was all fun a games even when a flower was "with" a skeleton 💀 How times have changed-
I'm more than sure that almost all of these toxic fans are from the Undertale fandom and just switched over to HH/HB when Undertale died down. Specifically the fans that got uppity when Frisk/Chara was the topic of the shipping. I still remember when someone gave an artist at a convention needle filled cookies all because they put Frisk in a ship with Sans.
thank you so much for addressing this because I know not a lot of creators do, some of these controversies are so fucking stupid. Like I will never hate on people for liking a ship or character because I try to see the appeal in each one. Even if you don’t like something, that doesn’t give you a reason to be rude to people that do. And harassing va’s, especially when they take so much time to make people aware that they don’t condone a character’s actions, is actually so immature. I love the hellaverse but sometimes I feel genuinely ashamed that i'm in this fandom.
The thing I hate about shipping it just seems like people have these weird fantasies and get hurt when you disagree. I get a lot of hate when I say Angel and Husk are best friends, like not every character is gay. Also the Alastor/Lucifier ship, they hate each other and neither are homosexual so it makes no sense but I get hate for bringing it up.
Bro its the whole opposite. Look im sorry if you get harassed for saying you dont like a ship but the toxic hate comes from mainly your side. Shippjng is fun you dont need to take ot seriously. Ive seen so many people get told to jump pf a cliff because they think radioapple is ok. Radioapple is fine just because it doesnt happen canonically doesn't mean its awful. I ship radioapple in a qpr sense like they co-parent and try my best to respect Alastor's sexuality yet i get harassed constantly. You can share your opinion but at least be respectful about it instead of being like "Radioapple makes no sense i hate it"
@@marcwhitlock5002 objective of what? You said you don't like radioapple because it make no sense. That's not true I just said that. It can work in some way but doesn't mean it needs to happen. Most shippers know it will not be canon it's just our fun. I'm just saying that at least we can be respectful of each of our opinions and not be too harsh because everyone has different preferences.
@@marcwhitlock5002 you said you get hate for bringing it up could I know where? Because if you bring it up on radioapple posts then that's your fault. And if people hate on you when you share it just anywhere then I'm sorry on behalf on them I was just sharing my experience as well
For the Cougar situation, those franchises have a cute demeanor but it doesn’t mean it all made for kids. Poppy’s Playtime is a horror game which had a T rating but it appeals to kids because they like cute characters. Fnaf fandom is 10 years old now so those kids have grown up and it used to be horror related. Murder Drones has murder in the title definitely not for kids, but it’s an edgy, cool show so why wouldn’t it be appealing to kids? Cartoons aren’t exclusively for kids but kids get into them especially if appealing. And just cause mascot horror is cute doesn’t mean it’s aimed for kids; honestly it plays on the nostalgic fact which means you have to be old enough to have that mindset. Parents need to aware of what their kids are watching and explain things better. It’s not the creators job to make the internet safer for kids who have parents who seem to give them free range on their electronics. Should the thumbnails be better? Sure, but as Angel Dust says “sex sales, baby” and who more likely to click sexy thumbnails? Horny people/teenagers. As someone who actually watches his content but at first didn’t become everyone was saying he was bad. I learned that the thumbnail most times don’t reflect what’s going on in the comics his team dubs. It’s just clickbait at this point and unfortunately RUclips likes clickbait titles, thumbnails, and of course topics.
Helluva Boss, HazbinHotel,Amazing digital circus, Murder drones, etc. aren’t for kids and people are arguing about Five nights at Freddy’s and Poppy playtime, but these are horror games and they’re lore isn’t kid friendly.
As an italian myself, i think there's something more to it. It's strange that poldo has copied so directly ayy lmao's video like this. I think it's better if poldo addresses this because it would ruin his reputation as a youtuber. Maybe it was prime giving nkt enough time to make enough research, so when he finded the best video he just used it to make the script without the time to make it good? Or maybe prime gave him a script and "yeah just made it your style"? It's not impossible since 90% of the time poldo uses to make a video is the editing
Ma guys come ho letto in un'altro commento l'argomento era quello non è che puoi cambiare molto le cose da dire sulla sua storia e poi può essere che abbiano chiamato Poldo solo per recitare uno script che può essere stato scritto dal team di Amazon prime. Alla fine della giornata pensatela come volete non sono qui per imporre idee quindi notte a tutti e lode alla passera
Ugh! The Hazbin Hotel Fandom is so toxic nowadays especially when people are harassing Joel Perez just because he voiced Valentino, heck I bet people are calling Charlie a boring protagonist even though she's anything, but boring. I bet the Helluva Boss Fandom is somehow even worse, every time there's a new episode of Helluva Boss, some people would probably talk bad about it instead of being grateful after months of waiting.😡
I stopped watching Helluva Boss because the story line wasnt for me - a lot of the fans there are very unhealthy. Harrasing a voice actor or cosolayer is WRONG.
sadly one of the main complaints I've heard in general about shows over the years is that the fanbase had become toxic. I mean look at other shows like Steven universe or Five Nights At Freddy's and you'll see that it's an issue that doesn't just plague Hazbin Hotel.
I saw someone make a video saying Charlie & Vaggie are "boring" & the worst couple in the show just because they're not in a toxic relationship. How does that even make sense?🤷♀️
Gives me flashbacks to the Actors of Geoffrey and Cercei from GOT being harassed when the show came out. It's insane how many people can't grasp what "Acting" means.
Tldr: Shipping is just for fun, its not meant to be taken so seriously, but folks do anyways, and if we took fictional characters sexualities seriously, then things will be very different The thing with the shipping is that its supposed to be fun and light hearted, but shippers in just about any Fandom go too far 😓 But people getting furious for, like, shipping Charlie with male characters or shipping Alastor in general is ridiculous. If ya don't ship Al, that's fine. If you don't ship Charlie with a male, thats fine too. But harassing people about shipping/anti-shipping is just so stupid. "But Charlie is in a relationship with Vaggie so she's a lesbian-" for one she's cannonically bi. And two, people gonna ship even if they already in a relationship. "But thats erasure-" No its not. Its erasure if the creator themselves decides to go back on their own cannon. With Al, he is not aro. He is just ace so far. And even though he is ace, acesexuality is its own spectrum. I'm an ace, and I still like shipping him and stuff. I'm not a fan of the NSFW, but I have learned something that most people should do. ✨Ignore it ✨ Hes a cartoon character in a popular piece of media. Sadly there will always be NSFW art of him. Funny enough, no one has fought about Mammon who has been told to go F-himself by Bee, and has shown a fancy with Levy (he was shown wearing ace colors in the official pride art, though there's theories going around hes Demi) As said before if he is ace, asexuality is a spectrum. "But they aren't respecting his sexuality-" I'm sorry, but if we are respecting sexualities or relationships now, then we can't ship characters who are cannonically straight in gay relationships either, and of course all characters who are married or in a relationship. Yes I know there is little to know LGBTQA+ rep out there, but its equality, not one over the other. And if we are gonna see fictional relationships like real relationships, then it's like seeing your straight, married neighbors and saying "I ship Jim with John, the butcher down the street". Now that's not fair to Jim at all, just because there isn't a gay couple on the block. So a fan of shipping, say, Naruto with Sasuke? Well ya can't do that cuz Naruto married to Hinata. Fan of Dean and Cassiel? Can't do that, Dean is a ladies man. Overall, shipping is supposed to be for fun and for people to have cute headcannons and fanfictions and get warm, happy feelings. For some, its to knock their socks off.
You're absolutely right with everything you said, shipping is just for fun and to try different things and the concept of what if? and non canon ships wouldn't change anything about the show itself they're just fanfictions but some people take it very seriously.. I also worry about the amount of hypocrites in the fandom when it comes to shipping.
@@cataleya4768 I have seen so many hypocritical aroaces/aces its actually a bit depressing 😓 The thing with fictional characters is that people can see themselves in said characters. Lots of Trans people see themselves in Dipper Pines from Gravity Falls because he has a lot of identity issues and body image stuff, even though he isn't actually trans. But its still a fun headcannon that gives comfort to people. Alastor is Ace, of course. Some aces still have sexual relationships with their romantic partners, some aren't in sexual relations period, ace isn't black and white, there's a lot of gray. But some aces have been coming in and saying "you're not a real ace if you have sex" and that's so harmful 😓 Hell, when that one person came out and said Al is Aroace, some aroace people straight up said "you're not allowed to ship Al period you're disrespectful to us" even though there's aroace people who are in platonic relationships or their own complicated relationships with their own labels. The only time we should worry about Al's Ace-ness to be erased is when Viv goes back on her word and says "ah yeah, he isn't actually." As said, ace-ness is gray but obviously in the show itself, we have a little bit of proof that Al could be sex repulsed (even though the proof is Angel hitting on him in a very inappropriate way in the pilot)
@@megaene Or if the ship is a non cannon straight ship, so they immediately say the person shipping it is homophobic cuz they aren't doing a gay ship 😓
Time for an Everything Right with the Fandom video 👏 The vid would probably only be five minutes long hahahaha but it’d be cool to see the brighter side too!
i don't hate the show, i hate half the fandom. there are good people in the fandom but some aren't.. great. that's why people hate it because of the fandom and never realize that the show itself is good. its a fiction show it's okay to like a horrible character, its part of the show and it makes the show a show. people need to learn respect honestly
Despite this being hated.... For some reason, it's kinda sad because Helluva Boss was the only one people loved, even I do, but I agree, the fandom of Hazbin sucks.
TsukiHound videos got recommended to me shortly after your videos and I was so confused, and had to figure out which one was the copycat. 😵💫 It didn’t take long to see you were the original creator, luckily!
My mindset on shipping is this you can have your ships your OTP but don't bully the creators into making it cannon I saw this happen with one of my favorite shows RWBY it was horrible and ya it's nice when it becomes cannon but ONLY if that was the original intent. Ships are meant to be fun a way to connect and nerd out and gush over smexy lewd art and comics and create fan children and stories but it should never be forced onto creators to be made real because that's how you loose your real fans Like what happened to RWBY. A real fan won't care if there ship is cannon they will love the show for what it is and the story it tells. It also shouldn't matter what the creator's stance of LGBTQ and politics either not everything needs representation and it's not any worse if it lacks it, honestly you shouldn't try to write about experiences you've never had or things you don't believe in because it won't be authentic. thank you for coming to my TED talk
Yeah. I got served death threats twice for saying that Angel and Husk aren't a couple and they don't seem to be written with that intention (as of season 1)... 😅
@@megaene that is not right at all I love huskerdust and if it turns out they are meant to be together great if not still great I will love them all the same
I agree with you, especially with a creator's opinion on stuff like politics. It shouldn't matter to you that much as long as they aren't doing/saying anything to cause harm to you or anyone else. If they don't agree with your views, leave it at that. Forcing a ship is the reason I left the RWBY Fandom. Even with another fandom where a ship is confirmed to be non-canon too and many insisted it was canon(ahem, HI3/GI/HSR/Beastars/Vanitas no Carte fandoms calling you out a little). And yes, not everything needs to have representation. I'm from a minority group(not the lgbt), and even I know where to draw the line. Yes, having good representation is great, but not every character has to be like you in terms of appearance or race or any of that to relate to them. I'm a girl, and I mostly relate to male characters who don't even look like me (the majority of them don't). Edit/Story time(?¿): This is sort of related maybe not but I was talking a tiny bit about my perspective as a person of color about a manga(/now anime) character who had dark skin like me and all I said was how happy I was to see one character that looked like me in anime that wasn't stereotypical in any way(it didn't matter to me if the character was black or not at that point, I was happy the manga was mostly not stereotypical) and someone decided to bring the mood down and harass me with "that character isn't black. America made you *blah blah blah more nonsense*", and I never stated this character was black. I wasn't seeking out anything like representation, I just related to this character and multiple others in more ways than one and expressed a little bit of my joy and mostly talked about the anime's story as a whole(during the manga's long hiatus). The weirdest thing about this interaction was that this guy targeted me and never said this to the RUclipsr, who also talked about his perspective as a person of color and the anime's writing as a whole. Just wanted to share this weird thing that happened to me. This manga is Vanitas no Carte, btw. The anime left context from the manga out, so I recommend reading the manga. I've been reading it for years but never joined the fandom, and I don’t plan to. Idk if it's off hiatus yet.
*I personally have a love/hate relationship with HH/HB not only is the writing messy with plot holes but the animation at times is pretty choppy it is however, entertaining to watch! The fans are unironically the reason the hatedom is growing in large numbers actually: harassing anyone that even remotely criticises the show, sending literal death threats to Val fans as if they aren’t an Alastor simp hell even the Adam and Lute fans get harassment and for the love of a non-existent god STOP TALKING ABOUT IT 24/7 I understand liking Hazbin/Helluva but talking about it as if it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread NON STOP IS SO INFURIATING one of the reasons people don’t wanna watch it and another reason the fandom is bad is that the fans don’t wanna admit that the pilot is better than the entirety of S1*
@ I didn’t mean literally, but you should’ve tagged me because I don’t ship them either lol I don’t really see chemistry there, I see friendship, but of course that could change in future episodes… but I’m not feeling the chemistry there
*Cough* *cough* radiopple haters. No but seriously on tiktok even on radioapple posts people get harassed constantly by these haters always saying "fuck radioapple" or "if radioapple has zero haters im dead" Like dude get a life..
What I usually get from villain acting is that if the acting is so good you hate the character, the actor is incredibly talented, not a bad person themselves
Being a Hellverse fan is so depressing dealing with all this crap and toxicity 😤 I especially hate how the algorithm seems to recommend me RUclips videos hating on Vivziepop and the show. I'm glad there are channels like yours and others that enjoy Hazbin and Helluva.
10:09 I WAS RIGHT, I found the long self put together playlist from Toon, and just from the first 10 seconds of 1 singular song I Immediately knew it was AI crap, getting recommend their stuff way before - And I viewed all the Song Titles a bit content farmy.. 18:57 WHAT!?- They were too??, Now I feel lied to since I thought they were Normal 😔
I never realized it was AI generated until I watched this video (yes, it does say they are, but I've never seen that). Sure, the result is still enjoyable, but I definitely would've had a different thought if I knew. I was wondering how they could drop 7-8 songs based on the last episode. Oh well, at least I know now. I'll go back to my MilkyMelodies and Paranoid DJ playlists now. 😊
28:20 I personally think the biggest problem with these creators are the way they presented: How to NOT write a victim of abuse is a very agresive title, I've watched videos that criticise AD's character but just reading that rubbs me the wrong way, Hazbin Hotel the good the bad the fandom literally shows the characters in a literal trashfire, this style of presentarion appears to attract the haters more then the fans, and you want the fans to listen to you, you won't convince someone with an approach like this
Regarding Poldo and Amazon Prime Italia, I don't think they "stole" your video... I mean, you're talking about the history of the same show. The chronological order of the events is the same... Btw, keep doing great videos like this, and, hi from Italy!
Listen I just have problems with shipping..like I don’t get it..radio apple? At the end of the day I can’t do anything about, but what triggers me is when people say “CANON!! RADIOAPPLE ARE MY PARENTS” etc.. it’s genuinely and generally annoying, it’s not gonna be canon and NEVER will.
@@Theia_sb ppl are wilding😭😭😭 like if i ship a ship in a fandom, sure, maybe ill post fanart or sm but i wont go around saying “ITS CANON, ITS BETTER THAN ___.” People forget fanon and canon😔
Haven't been in fandom side of Hazbin hotel much, but really like you making a difference between individuals being rude/fighting and people shipping, often people can make it sound that if you're a shipper, you're also nuts/rude, so nice you didn't. c:
None in my opinion, people really just gotta stop talking about the negative side of things which is why "constant drama" happens in the fandom(s) because the speaking about the negative side of things just makes idiots think it'll be fine to target innocent people in the fandom which is why I hate videos like the one that's made now(no offense but I'll ignore it anyways so no biggie.) because like I said, THAT'S WHY "drama" happens contantly due to the people paying attention negativity which is why bullcrap happens. Edit: I know probably nothing made sense in my comment but y'all get the point, I ain't gonna edit my whole comment. Too damn lazy to do so...
The thing is the extreme parts of the fandom and the hatedom have created this echo chamber, where both use the extreme ends of one another to represent the whole. Take this. Someone will give bad faith criticism, the fanbase will react negatively, someone makes a good critique video, the fandom having already experienced bad faith criticism just assumes that's in bad faith and lash's out, people will use those examples of the fandom to say that all of the fandom are bad people and can't handle criticism, leading to more bad faith criticism and continuing the cycle.
So they make good villains basically that actually make people hate them. That's always been called a good actor. And props to the people animating and writing scripts.
That's the problem, many people and fans are hypocrites, they love characters like Freddy Krueger and Alastor even though they have made far more bad things than Valentino
The same as so many fandoms… swifties, bronies back in the day, whovians, beliebers and directioners, BTS-Stans… fandoms just in general are toxic and cringe.
And it’s happening to call of duty black ops 6 because, zombies cast like Peck, Samantha Maxis and others are on strike and gets replaced by AI. It sucks that people hate this show. But hey, I really like this show though.
😓 I was a fan of both content farm channels from the few videos I’d seen. I definitely unsubscribed to them after you brought them up. My goodness, I didn’t realize how many of those channels I’ve been sucked into. I really hope Lit Creations and Hazfans Unlimited don’t fall into that category too.😓
Completely disagree with you on AI when it comes to memes/shitposts. “Oh, but they can just hire an amateur VA.” People aren’t gonna have the patience or desire to put effort and wait to find a VA, nor figure out how to find one if they’re making something that is made to be goofy. Especially when you realize that the majority of people using AI for those are 13-16 year old kids, which, ain’t no way Amir Talai is threatening to sue what is usually young teens. Completely understand why you would be upset if it was a content farm/if the vid was monetized since that would be stealing your likeness. But still, LET PEOPLE HAVE FUN!!!
Glad that you brought up TSuki Hound and I thought he was a chill guy making helluva boss and hazbin theories and stuff like that but I noticed he's been making way too similar content to others and yours. And not only that he posts weird stuff in his shorts too like cropped loona r34 just to get more ppl to watch him like cmon 💀
At 27:05 , there was also a another video, with the same thumbnail titled " How to write a victim of abuse," and the creator was also dressed up as Valentino I didn’t watch the video, but I did see the fandom over on Twitter going back and forth about it for a while
The fandom is truly one of the main reasons Hazbin/Helluva are so hated. This fandom is completely feral, they will defend these shows with every once of their being, going so far as to harass people for stuff. There’s this RUclipsr named Cartoonshi who made a critique on season 2 of helluva, and fans on Twitter bullied him so severely that he refuses to watch Helluva Boss to this day.
I suppose, people are simply mentally all the way and beyond done with the bad faith criticism that started all the way since fake allegations, so now people no longer separate between the constructive good faith and the spiteful and toxic bad faith criticism, and you cannot deny that the latter had always been plaguing the community at the hands of haters
This is truly bad for everyone. Any person, no matter the fandom, should know to respect the artist and be able to distinguish the character from the actor. You do not harm the person in any way. This show is for adults/young adults; A person that age should know better. People that do these things are not fans.
This is a massive problem right now, as this does not even exist right now. Along with many problems right now as we know this is happening and we should stop. This is so much wrong and messed up that we should have to leave them alone. we should make this illegal and make issues of this. By the way I also follow him and im sorry if i did this but i just lile him for some reason but now I will always know. This will end into a war and a conflict or even a civil war.
You know what, it's so crazy, I used to watch most of Cougar's videos; they werent bad, but the thumbnails were starting to bother me. A shame because he's an awesome VA...
Harassing a villain actor is brain-dead behavior
The fans actually did that?
@@Relltheman5Not sure, but still, harassing someone just because they voiced a villain is just ridiculous.
@@Relltheman5 Some were, and there's a screenshot of one of them immediately claiming to feel "ganged up on" and dipping when Joel asked if they could have a legitimate convo about this.
If you think the Joel harassment is bad (it absolutely is bad, and is brain dead behavior), people harassed the VA for Jar Jar Binks to the point of the actor almost game ending. It's sad, but some people will never cease to disappoint you over the most ridiculous things.
It's happened before with the Ghostbusters actor who played Walter Peck, and is just as sh*tty.
You can't hate on an actor for the role they played. It's called "Acting" for a reason!
Yeah, and it's so pervasive. You'd think that it only happens in fandoms that are on the younger side, but even actors who played soap opera villains get publicly harassed.
It sucks because the bad fandom is the reason why so many people just blindly hate the show without even watching it.
It sucks because Hazbin & Helluva are both SUCH a good watch. But the fandom makes people wanna stay away from the show without even checking it out first.
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You can't hate a show if people out there never watched it 🤨😒
I've met a woman in the middle of the airport with a little Val keychain, and ended up having a very nice conversation about Hazbin Hotel. She wasn't anything like the character and was actually really chill and kind, I left that airport happy. I agree it's crazy to attack people who like bad characters, what do you think Adam fans are doing? And Lute? Both of these characters are awful people, though perhaps not in the same way as Val is, yet no one sends death threats to fans of those characters. While I personally dislike Val, it's downright bonkers to assume these absolutely horrible things of people who appreciate bad characters, and consequently harass them. Thank you for bringing light to the situation, and for another amazing video.
Don’t forget about Alastor who, while he is on the ‘good guy’s side’ is a literal serial killer yet is arguably the most popular character from Hazbin.
Exactly. Just because we like evil characters, doesn’t automatically mean we worship them like the next coming of Christ.
“And the first coming was already pretty good” - Caddicarus
One of my favourite Marvel characters is John Walker. The amount of divide and hate he got when Falcon and Winter Soldier came out was immense. If you liked him, you were a psychopath and also disrespecting Steve Rogers. If you disliked him, you were a Steve Rogers fanboy.
No one would let anyone be 50/50 or like/dislike for any other reason.
He’s one of my favourite characters because he’s someone who can bounce back and forth between being a hero you root for and feel bad to, to a anti-hero/villain who sends chills down your spine and say “okay you went too far”. Those are my favourite characters. The ones who keep people on edge and are super complex. Like how we’re complex, so are the characters we see.
So imagine how sad/little pissed off I felt when I saw a tik toker make a video saying “if you like John Walker you have jaded morals” even though I like his character for how complex and interesting he is to watch.
Not because I go to the “Church of John F. Walker, the Captain America who replaced Stevie Boy” and pray to the Johnny Walkers above for violence and gore.
Like, he’s entertaining. Stop making assumptions about who I am as a person ☹️.
Same. I have had so many shocked looks and gasps because I as a christian, like hazbin hotel and helluva boss. i mean they are stories told by a great creator and crew. Doesn't change or alter my theological beliefs at all.
I think that’s an issue as well. The hate is specifically on Val and not ANY of the other villains (or the ‘morally grey’ characters). If fans hated all of them it’d definitely be bonkers, but it’s the fact that they brush other everyone else’s deeds and hyper focus on everything Val does when there are others who are just as bad as him. Like no one points out how Vox told Pentious to kill himself after he failed him, or how Velvette makes Love potions that even Asmodeus calls BS to, or how Carmilla is an arms dealer who just adds to the growing conflict of Hell, or how Rosie is a Cannibal whose town only helped not out of a place of morality but because they would get lunch.
If no one is criticised for liking these guys then the same applies to people who like Val, and it amazes me that we now have to say that liking a character doesn’t mean you support their actions.
@@GarouLadyA fellow Christian and Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fan!
The fandom is the main reason a lot of people hate this show
Yeah honestly alot of people say the fandom is bad
Honesty what fandom isnt toxic
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Hating a show because of its fandom is stupid tbh.
Plus not everyone is toxic in it.
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Poor Joel. I actually just met him recently at Grand Rapids Comic Con last month and he was so kind. I talked with him about Masquerade as it’s my favorite episode from the series so far and I went over the reasons I love that episode, even getting a bit emotional when talking about the harder moments in the episode and how well written those moments are and he said that an episode like that was important for the story telling of the show. He even gave me a bracelet with pink and and purple beads and Valentino’s name, and he gave me that for free even though that was something meant to be bought by fans. That was so sweet of him especially since I didn’t even ask, he just straight up put it on my wrist. I did make my opinion and disdain for the character known to him, but I wasn’t critical of him just because he voices my least favorite character. Hell, the whole reason I wanted to go to Grand Rapids Comic Con was because I found out through a Facebook group that I’m a part of that Joel was going to be there. The funny thing is, the night I saw that post was the same evening my mom and I went to see Dierks Bentley at Van Andel Arena, and while we were walking to our seats before the show started I talked about wanting to see some of the Hazbin Hotel, Helluva Boss actors, or even Viv if they ever came to Michigan for an event at Van Andel. That’s not where Comic Con was, instead, it was at Devos Place, but still, just the fact I happen to learn that Joel was indeed coming to my home state, the exact same day I bring it up to my mom… it’s like I just had some kind of sixth sense about him potentially coming to the state I’m from. My goodness that was such a blast, but OMG it was also super expensive. Totally worth it though because it was epic!
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
@@torablack
The original plans for S1 were released a while back (this was during the pilot era), and u could see that it definitely was not as rushed as the one we got.
If I remember correctly, S1 pilot finale was not going to be the extermination day.
I feel like the rushed pacing was Amazon's fault, remember only 2 seasons were guaranteed at the time. It's kinda like the Owl House season 3 situation but they had no room from the getgo
@ Yeah but the final season of TOH was incredible especially given the limited amount of episodes.
@@torablack s1 was meant to have like 26 episodes. Viv was only given 8 by amazon. They had to scrap so much.
*Three days later*
"This RUclips tried claiming I'm stealing his videos!!😱😱😱"
Bro will get nuked after this vid lmao
1:06 What the actual fuck was that for? Seriously, where's human decency? Poor, poor Kovach! As someone who hasn't very positive opinions on Val, I think that even if I HAD SOMETHING POSITIVE TO SAY ABOUT HIM I WOULD KEEP THAT VIDEO PROJECT FOR LATER THAT DAY !
It's like something that they do in consenting and openly communicative BDSM.
The voice actor didn't ask or want to be groped or touched or talked down to like that.
What happened to NEANDERTHAL dency.
Bruh, I didn't even realize that TSuki Hound was AI, I have been really trying to watch out for AI. I feel really bad and am sorry to Ayy Lamo. I can't believe I got tricked and was hoping I could avoid the AI.
Same. I've occasionally watched their shorts despite them regurgitating info that was already said by Ayy Lmao, but I never knew that was an AI voice. It's scary how good AI is getting...
yeah I initially didn't realize but it felt REALLY weird
@@indigovae3579 AI will eventually be indistinguishable from human in most, if not all facets of life
I was subscribed to both Tsuki Hound and you and slowly realised they were copying. Glad you have found out and said something about it!
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
Same here!
@@torablack Amazon doesn't care about that. It's not Viv's fault how short season 1 was. If Hazbin got good money from being on youtube, season 1 would of been way better and longer. But youtube hates any content that's not kid-friendly.
I've watched a few of their shorts, just randomly clicking in my reccommended and at first I thought it was this channel and he just changed his name. Then I was like "wait.. this doesn't sound like Ayy Lmao" So now I'm worried about opening shorts unless its directly from this channel's shorts page bc I dont want to support AI or content theft.
Same
I believe people forget that clothing DOESN'T DEFINE YOUR PERSONALITY. Cosplaying is a form of expression of one's interests. NOT their PERSONALITY. This is the same shit that People covered in tattoos, Emos, and Goths had to go though in the late 80's all up to the late 2000s. I thought we as a society have gone past forming prejudiced opinions of someone purely based off of what someone wears. smh.
Your personality though, defines what you wear. And no, we won't "move past" that because it still has its uses.
Some people can't even handle someone with a different skin colour and you think people can move past hating other people for wearing certain cloths!!!
@foxpro3002 Different skin colors are more of a problem though.
@@AdanSolas CAN define what you wear. I know LOTS of people whose sense of fashion fools their actual personality. You're not completely right. And please be more explanatory on its uses outside of being driven by prejudice?
@foxpro3002 That's what I'm saying. I can't believe we still have to deal with this shit in 21st century.
23:45 what makes the situation with Erica sadder is that her fiance passed away around when she was being harassed, so she really wasn't in a good head space already. I believe this is why it took a long while for her to resume voice acting again, which i don't blame her for.
The over the top Valentino hate makes me SO mad. I love Val and I just met Joel Perez this weekend!
People hate him but love and simp for Alastor make it make sense oh wait they can't 😂
While I do hate Valentino, I would never go out of the way to harass the voice actor. The character they play doesn’t always represent them in real life.
Same! I don’t approve of Val’s actions(I mean who would, it’s disgusting) but he is a well written character, also his design is one of my favorites :D
I think most of the problems with the bad side of the fandom is that people are chronic online, making them not knowing what is real and fake and making things way to sireus.
Yuh. I would say something radical but I'm better than them.
I agree, and think that vivziepop's shows have flourished and suffered from everything being online. A lot of good came from it all being an online community enjoying and supporting a creator, but also a lot of toxic behavior and "controversy" from every little detail online.
But there's no excuse if your a grown az adult get a fukin job or a life jeez 🤦🏿♂️
Something I think is sad as well is the fact that there are some innocent fans that DONT hate and since people who don’t watch the show assume everyone are just toxic fans, they attack the innocent ones. This happens to me when I play games online, people hate on me for liking it probably since they hate the fandom, I don’t see myself as a toxic fan since I don’t even speak out or hate anything about the characters or the shows story.
As a huge fan in the fandom I agree a majority of the fandom are pretty cool people and I love the shows but the problems that have come up due to crazy people in the fandom should definitely be talked about amazing vid!!
Ooh. Thanks for actually bringing up TsuikiHound. I actually have watched some of his videos and I didn’t realize this about his videos although when I did watch them the voice seemed more like a weird male Siri or Alexa. 😓 Oof. Well, I definitely will stay away from that particular channel now. Again, thanks for bringing that to my attention.😓
same! I had seen some of their videos and assumed they were friends with ayylmao, probably stupid on my part but I never realized the blatant stealing
@ Kinda reminds me of Blooms, who is a big South Park creator and his investigation of the RUclips channel Ceric Artman, a channel that is AI and makes videos about South Park. I feel bad for Blooms and I hope Ceric Artman doesn’t end up destroying his channel because Blooms is very passionate about South Park and his content surrounding it.
Fr I was SO glad he talked about that dude. Like bro,kept copying Ayo, and it's just annoying and frustrating. Thanks for covering that man, Ayo
Hazbin hotel and helluva boss are not the only franchises that have this problem, most franchises suffer though this and the thing to do that I've been doing is just ignore them, they just want attention because they think being negative is the way to get attraction. This whole thing that happens with almost every franchises is the reason why there all are getting ruined and falling apart because people can't just learn to be respectful, nice and kind to all people and respect people's opinions if you like them or not.
Dude I'm in the Star Wars fandom and it's like walking on eggshells in there. You say one random thing and get bombarded by manchildren who will start an entire fight over nothing, going as far as harrassing not only other fans but also people who work on the shows or movies. There was an entire thing with an actress distancing herself from the franchise because toxic "fans" kept throwing racist insults her way only to spin the narrative and blame her for "exagarrating". It was hella messy.
These fans are unironically worse than Valentino.
Amen.
Most of the established characters are worse than Valentino. But he hit the sexy spider who spins the wheel of my sexuality so he's the worst.
[I'm of course sarcastic. But seriously, my favourite characters are Angel and Valentino, and the crap that Val's fans and Joel Perez have to put up with is unjustifiable.]
Thank you for having me. I had a good time recording for this video! :)
Every fandom has their bad apples but I always avoid those negative or toxic ones. I just appreciate the fan art theories and original characters.
Same
Facts
We've already seen in shows like Steven Universe and Loud House that a perfectly good show can be ruined by a toxic fanbase. It's sad really when you take a second to think about it.
Yeah, me too! I'm only in fandoms to see cute art, oc's, fics, anything that is not problematic and toxic.🥺
@@Ninapea Same here!!
If we can't like Valentino without being bad people, what about the Alastor fans? The Vox-obsessed ones? Adam and lute enjoyers? Velvette lovers? It's absurd.
Oh trust me, as a massive Adam fan, we do get shit on too. Not nearly as bad as Valentino, but it does happen. We have been condescended about various things (like just making theories about potential return as a Sinner) and for the female fans of Adam, we often get blasted that we only like him cuz we like shitty men, which is not true. Their argument for why we are crazy for liking Adam is because "He'S A gEnoCiDal MuRdErER!!111" and when we point out that Alastor is a serial killer and clearly can't be trusted, their defense is "Al KiLLs BaD pEoPlE!!11". Literally, that really isn't any better is it? I relate to Adam in a number of surprising ways tbh, but I'm aware not everyone will like his character, which is fine, but its absolutely crazy that us Adam fans sometimes get labelled as stupid because haters think we are just bland as fuck simps.
Sadly, Valentino fans (and his voice actor) get it the absolute worse and it's just plain stupid and sad. People need to grow the fuck up.
As another adam fan, i gat hated on aswell. But the val hate is just absurd. The fact that you get hated for liking a villian in general is just... its not even like, the angel fans hating on val, its the "imma watch corn on vox's while *********************" (once met a guy with that exact flair on reddit) i mean yea kts for adults but it does not justify the crazy vox/velvette fans. Just leave the people alone?!
Only 30 min long? I was ready for a 30h vid.
lmao your profile pic 😭
@fireafire what can I say. Im just a magic man.
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
@tapukokomiko5184 i like your funny words magic man
No no no say it like this " i er ah like your funny words magic man"@@imp-tweekakarainbow_washov8991
you should make a " everything wrong with the hazbin hotel hate fandom" they have a whole community going on lol
real !!! they might be bigger then the fanbase itself
Or just Viv hate fandoms. He could also then talk about the more sane people who may have some valid criticisms of both shows, but then give his opinion
Of course, criticize the people that have a right to, not like whatever is going on, because they're the ones being directly affected, yes, criticized them for being open and having a mouth, I believe that saying, oh, criticize the hate fandom that isn't a fandom that is a group of people being open about their experiences. I've seen so many artists, and so many people get harassed for just getting a color on a character wrong or choosing to redesign that character I don't think people being open about their harassment and people being open about how they don't like how toxic the fandom can be. Sometimes I don't think they should be called Phantoms, if anything, they're victims of harassment and calling it a fandom is like belittling the severity of the harassment they received, I left the fandom because I received that it was so big that I was just like yeah I'm out there are people that hate it for no reason which is stupid to me, but at the same time, they're genuinely most people with nightmare situations from this show
@@Lovies.hellthat_girlicy_heart???
What are you yapping about 😭😭😭
I want the religious hate crowd (the ones who call the show unbiblical blasphemous propaganda and who say that the show “makes Satan the good guy”) to be involved in that list.
I will never understand the Valentino thing. Yes, you can hate the character, but allow people to enjoy his design and theme.
I am so happy that you are talking about this. So did follow tsuki hound but I was hoping that they were not just copying and pasting. But with people getting the same information in different places, sometimes it's hard to tell. But I am glad that you are pointing these out. Thank you very much. Also I love your videos. Please continue to share more 🥰
I’ve been recommended the Tsuki channel alot of times and every-time I always think it’s your channel. I’m surprised they’re not being called out on it more.
This is also the same thing we’re seeing in the helluva boss fandom too luckily I’m staying away from those attention seekers always starting drama latest on is regarding the last episode of HB which was loona bc if the latest merch that came out yeah it was tough, but there’s some that like to take it personally. These type of bad apples just like to stir up stuff.
I'm personally not a fan of the new merch portraying her in that whatever you call it. But I don't think it's something to get CRAZY upset about.
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
2:38 I was actually there and that was my very first convention. I got to meet Alex Brightman he was awesome.
i'll never forget when the hazbin fanbase decided to deny my abuse and claim that it didn't happen and that I only brought it up in my video for brownie points.
Omg I saw your Angel video and loved it so much! I'm so so sorry that the fanbase treated you horribly. You aren't obligated to share anything related to your abuse nor do you deserve the harrassment over a simple critique/opinion. It's absolutely despicable and I really hope you're doing better now and that it won't happen again. Nobody deserves to go through this.
@@_Dar_29 Thank you, I'm doing better now.
dont go blaming the whole fandom
@@dabi-is-online23 I'll let you know when I have a positive experience with the fandom
Those weren't real fans you dealt with but instead Valentino/Abuse apologists/Angel Dust simps.
I hope that if anyone in the fandom that does acts like they've described in this video sees this video and realizes that that kinda sounds like what they do, that they take a step back and reevaluate how they handle things regarding this fandom. Fandoms are a huge part of any media, the fans can make or break someone's experience, I hope at least some of these issues can be fixed even just a little
Everday drama is the everday life of a Hazbin fan. It's so frustrating because Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are my favorite series of all time and I love seeing fan content. But seeing all this VivziePop haters and nitpicker stop me from using twitter and Tumblr without filter.
I feel you : (
Same here...my favourite 2 series of all time, and it hurts how the bad part of the fandom is like that...why the most amazing series/movies/videogames have the worst fandom?! Like seriously. A perfect example for me is UNDERTALE (my favourite videogame) every fandom has a good part and a bad part and that's completely normal. The good part of that fandom is AMAZING, a lot of people sharing love of the game (since 2017-2018 and the fandom still hasn't died) a lot of people with talent, making comics, fanarts (the good ones and not the rule34 ones xd), cosplays...and a lot of stuff. However, the bad part...is one of the worst bad parts of fandoms ever...(almost as bad as the bad part of the FNAF fandom which is very toxic). It's like dude...why.
Also my favourite terror game is BATIM (Bendy And The Ink Machine) and Idk why not long ago there was controversy between that fandom and the HH fandom (I don't exactly remember why but I think it was about how an idea was stealed between Bendy and Alastor or sm like that) and seeing the fandom of my favourite series and my favourite terror videogame was...wow. It broke my heart a little 💔😢
Edit: Holy molly I didn't mean to write THAT much xd sorry you don't have to read all that. If you did thank you so much! Here's a cookie ^^ -->🍪
Personally I think the main issue with Hazbin hotel is that they tried to convey a story that was 10 years in the making in 8 11 minute episodes. If they were given either more episodes or a longer run time per episode I'm sure that season 1 would just been so much better!
“Everyday drama is the everyday life of a Hazbin fan” is such a great summary for the Hazbin fandom
Although not my number one favorite series, Hazbin/Helluva are definitely very close to the top for me and it is kind of sad to see the state of the fandom and the reputation of the show.
@@torablack Oh shoot that's right...let's see how the fandom reacts to the 2 season. HOPEFULLY it won't be as critized as the first one and the fandom will improve A LITTLE bit. I could be totally wrong though and the fandom will be the same or even get worse...better stay as always than get worse.
This fandom is fun and stupid at the same time! People need to know that this show is not a documentary! Joel is just playing a character, he is a sweet person in real life!
Heya! I'd like to clear up some things momentarely till Poldo (the person adressed at 11:43) responds, obviously to everyone reading this, don't harass anyone:
12:30 They didn't get him to make the video but more to recite the script that they already made and edit the video in his style that if it's good or bad it's your opinion.
13:00 the filler i agree and that they should've gotten someone from the actual Italian Hazbin hotel Community because there are some really good ones.
13:32 - 17:56 The points are similar but idk what you can really do to change the same information more than change where you bring up the events, provide other screenshots and use his words and style (which he did even in the clips you showed) and that by definition isn't copying.
At the end of the day this is just documentary content, the information is going to be the same and what is really important is that you present it in your own way with your own style, sure, he could've given you credit but at the end of the day, he just said what Amazon Prime ITA told him to do.
I understand that you've may have been upset by his actions but coming out here and potentially ruining Poldo's credibility over just reporting the same topic is a bit much, again, i understand your anger but this way isn't the right one, instead you could've talked with Poldo's himself and told him why this content was a bit too similar to yours, and don't worry, Poldo is very open to criticism and very approchable.
I don't want this message to be seen as me attacking Ayy because i actually am a fan of his content, i just wanted to state my opinion and clearify some things that i could clarify myself, and Ayy don't take this as a personal attack, this is just a critique of a point in your video, nothing against you and how you do your videos which are actually fire!
grazie, mi dispiace troppo vedere poldo ritratto in questo modo anche se capisco che possa dare fastidio una situazione del genere
a sto punto spero che possano chiarirsi in qualche modo e chiuderla pacificamente :')
Ah, those old Hunicast Streams are PURE 2020 Nostalgia for me. :3
Yeah, but the Fandom can be so annoying sometimes, but alot of Fandoms are like that.
I was at the convention when the Alastor blackface incident happened. I walked by them a couple times there were a lot of people surrounding them it was crazy!
apparently that person wasnt even part of the fandom and was just doing it for ragebait
Hazbin/Helluva has a LOT..no, TONS of flaws that clash with all the good ideas and it deserves critic and improment but not hate neither bully.
Vivziepop has made many mistakes in the past for decisions and one another bad coment, she could deserve some eyebrows but not harass.
The Fandom is mostly by horny, edgy, and kinda cringe teens that are here just because how atractive both this world and characters are, and there are the other teen fans or adults that are here because they genually care for this world what it promise, and even is i would love to say that we cant be judge guys, even if we are chill like other fans, we have to admit there are some really mess up people in this comunity, just look at the Valentinos VA controversy.
So yeah this is a complicated theme, im a huge Hazbin fan but i do understand the reason of the reject some people have on it, i do think a lot take their dislike/hate way too seriously (especially here in Latinoamérica) and even if i would love it to end, i know things could just get worse because that's just how the Internet works.
Yeah I saw Tsuki Hound and I found them WAY to similar to you, yet you had a lot of passion driven into your content and videos + real motivation & honest opinion about topics- Hound is just bland and like they’re reading from a script, half of the stuff they talk about was reused or just straight up false news from Twitter
It's because of this that I try my best to not interact with the fandom too much, I just look for fanart or fanfics or fananimations or analysis threads that I like, give them likes, retweets, and positive comments, and maybe follow some, but that's it.
I try my best to avoid haters and antis, and every time I see someone say "it's bad" I just tell them "then don't watch it", and that's it.
Honestly, they should make mental health courses on how to interact with strangers on the internet instead of letting people learn from the interactions of the worst of the internet...
The hardest thing to learn is to ignore haters and antis, and not reply to every stupid thing they say, because that's what they want from you, your attention.
Just because they hate something doesn't mean I can't enjoy it on my own
So, if a person watches helluva and Hazbin and doesn’t like an aspect of it or just it in general. You just tell them “just don’t watch it”. WHAT ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO DO! Not watch anything if GOD FORBID they don’t like EVERYTHING in a show/movie. Everyone is different and are going to have different tastes in the types of media they consume. So to just tell people who don’t have the same opinion or viewpoints as you by essentially telling them to shut the fuck up is very hypocritical. Considering how you talked about how people with put you down for liking the shows. WELL NEWS FLASH! YOUR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE HATERS! PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHY THEY EXIST! THE PEOPLE WHO GLAZE THESE SHOWS AND SILENCES ANYONE WHO DOESN’T! INCLUDING THOSE IN THE FANDOM!
Also, I’m not talking about people who hate watch. I’m talking about who watch media, get disappointed, share their thoughts about how it could have been better. Then are told “well then why did you watch it?” It’s a stupid argument that has to end.
@@dud-bud21 Honey, who hurt you?
Still lookin for’em
@@dud-bud21 Good luck finding them, I'll keep reminding haters that no one is forcing them to watch something they don't enjoy, and that they can spend all that time and energy watching something they actually like, have a nice day
It was fishy how ToonFanatic was able to release so many songs so quickly. I listened to a few of them but I didn’t really care for it. Knowing that it’s AI generated music makes so much sense now.
As much as I love the Hellaverse, the fandom has become as toxic as Steven Universe & Rick & Morty, I met Viv, and she’s such a sweetie, it sucks that many fandoms that have chill creators can be insanely toxic, and I hate and feel bad for them
It's just the same fans' different show
I was in the Steven Universe Fandom yeah it pretty damn bad. I was also in the MLP fandom which was honsetly the worst fandom on the planet. I mean we got Lily Orchard from the MLP fandom it's hard to get worse then her. MLP is right up there with the sonic fandom tbh... And I've also been in the sonic fandom.
If you don't know who Lily Orchard is... I envy you.
don't paint a whole fandom in the same light as the small toxic side of the fandom. That's incredibly disrespectful to the good people in fandoms.
@@dabi-is-online23 I was referring to the toxic fans for sure, I’m very aware there are genuine people in the fandom, but usually the toxic ones are easily the most vocal.
@@StainedGlassLamp sounds awful, I genuinely like mlpfim, but not hardcore, and I think it ended great, but some get carried away
Being a BEEG Hazbin Fan and seeing people get instantly judged for being one just really angers me because its so stupid to judge someone based on a show they like and not even because the person themselves are weird
22:32 that's my friend lightnite productions, he used to make ai covers but stopped per the wishes of the voice actors, he made a video explaining the situation and how he plans to do new types of content
Do you wanna know what the problem is with the FANDOM is that there are a lot of people who want to start shit either because they have some kind of vendetta against Viv /There are trolls in there that literally go angry whenever their ship is not canon, but the FANDOM does have a lot of good people in it. The bad ones are the problem. The trolls are the problem.
The haters are unfortunately an automatic variable when you become known enough to be talked about. The people who'll go against you arbitrarily and try to take you down just because you are "famous" (it happens even when you aren't super big, just as long as you get talked about in the area they're all over you).
The fandom is so cursed but yeah I’ve been in other fandoms that has been just as cursed. It’s crazy. Drama is literally everywhere and I can’t escape it. 😭 I just try to ignore it and try to stay happy and think positive. ❤
The fandom can be so toxic on AO3. People leaving hate comments on fics for daring to include a pairing that they don't like and is clearly tagged or calling authors problematic for writing dark/graphic scenes that they're probably not old enough to actually be reading.
The AO3 HH readers are also just... incredibly entitled? Lots of very demanding comments like "write this/write this/include this/when's the next chapter/i want the next chapter now" like it all just reeks of immaturity. Reaaaally puts me off writing the last chapter of the radioapple fic I started posting in April.
Seriously I was once reading an incredibly good fanfic about how Alastor and Vox became friends and fell apart. Its a fairly big fic in the fandom to my knowledge you might even know what story I'm talking about.
It was really well done with subtle hints about Vox liking Alastor, Alastor not noticing, and hints later on that Vox had befriended Valentino before Alastor knows, causing it to change Vox's behavior around Alastor, he start to vanish for days getting blackout drunk, which worries Alastor, then admits he wants to put porn on TV, something Alastor greatly dissaproves of.
Even Vox's crush goes from an innocent crush to lustful, to the point where after a misunderstanding, Vox straight up SA's Alastor, freaking Alastor the fuck out, and is the true insiding incident that broke their friendship because when Alastor goes back to talk to Vox, it's there he meets Valentino. And Valentino was the true mastermind that maniplated and corrupted Vox. This causes Alastor to break things off.
It was a geninuely amazing scene and it was protrayed as horrible and a tragedy. How Vox completely changed because he took advice from the wrong man. How Alastor, who rarely trusts anyone, was completely and utterly violated by someone he legitimately trusted for decades. It was really sad and emotionally gripping.
The author told me how uncomfortable it was writing the SA scene. Yet they got harrassed on other sites over it. It's really sad because I'd legitimately aruge that that SA scene was written BETTER then the literal shows.
@@StainedGlassLamp Yes I'd heard about that! It's so frustrating that for some reason if themes like that get published in mainstream novels no one even bats an eye, but for some reason if you're writing and posting it for free, YOU'RE suddently the problem.
You can never escape the ship wars. I never understood why people get so bent out shape. All they need to do is not click on or search up a pairing they don't like. If it's randomly in your feed, then keep scrolling. Don't look at fics that have tags you can't handle/dislike. A fic or art belongs to the writer or artist. They have complete control over what they want to do with their creation, not randos. Some people have absolutely no class now and it's frustrating.
I'm sorry you're getting people like that commenting on your fics. Writing isn't a strength of mine, so I *really appreciate* being able to read people's works. I couldn't imagine heckling authors when they are posting these stories FOR FREE.
P.S. I love radioapple 😉.
@@IVEmeritus A03 can be quite wild there was some fandom where the title had the word "dragon" in it (i forget the actual title of the show) and several people starting fighting each other and started giving fic gifts, not to actually give a fic to something, but to just to shit on each other over some short of shipping issue within that fandom. ColelyDoesThings has a video about this I just haven't seen in it a while so I don't remember much about the full story. But the point stands. People are crazy.
P.S. I don't like radioapple but I fully respect you, and I agree that people losing their mind over hating a ship that is not actively problematic are nuts. I even enjoy seeing art and reading fics of it from a artist/author perspective. See? It's that easy to be civil and respectful.
22:32 So, I obviously have to talk about this because I’m mentioned in this video. Of course, I already made a video dedicated to this entire thing, because at the time when I was creating these AI covers I did not know the damage it caused. All I saw was people being excited about watching my content, something which I hadn’t seen in years, so I made more of it. It actually sucked even for me, because I HATE copy pasted content. The only reason I continued to do them and the only reason THEY’RE STILL UP is because it makes people happy to watch the videos. Otherwise, if any voice actor came out to me directly and asked for anything to be taken down, I’m 100% taking whatever I need to down. Like I already mentioned, I’ve made a video regarding this entire issue, and I won’t continue making AI covers in the future. Any opinions anyone has towards these decisions, positive or negative, are completely valid in my eyes. I messed up, and I’m not gonna sugarcoat it. But it wasn’t because I didn’t want to pay voice actors, and it wasn’t because I wanted to purposefully content farm. It just wasn’t something I had thought about as I was continuing to make the covers, and it took me a minute to step back and realize what I was doing. Feel free to ask any questions regarding everything I’ve said and I’ll be sure to answer whenever I get a notification.
Honestly, this is really annoying as the artist I can’t even scroll in Instagram without seeing AI generated art of Hasman, Hotel Murder Drones, digital circus and then there’s all these channels. It’s just sad. It’s sad that people steal other peoples videos. Honestly me as an artist I’m worried do I now have to put a watermark a giant massive one over a video I post on Instagram or RUclips just so it doesn’t get stolen or put into AI, it’s just really sad
I’m mostly also just worried for my students I used to teach for two years. It’s just sad 😢honestly I wouldn’t wish this on any artist that means RUclips any type of artist, not AI artist, you’re not artist though
I just hate the fact that people would treat every fan rudely for no reason just because of the fandom. I did absolutely nothing to the haters, but still get disrespected regardless
Ngl, I find it kinda funny how shipping in HH and HB leads to arguments or worse, but back in 2015/16 shipping in Undertale was all fun a games even when a flower was "with" a skeleton 💀
How times have changed-
I'm more than sure that almost all of these toxic fans are from the Undertale fandom and just switched over to HH/HB when Undertale died down. Specifically the fans that got uppity when Frisk/Chara was the topic of the shipping. I still remember when someone gave an artist at a convention needle filled cookies all because they put Frisk in a ship with Sans.
thank you so much for addressing this because I know not a lot of creators do, some of these controversies are so fucking stupid. Like I will never hate on people for liking a ship or character because I try to see the appeal in each one. Even if you don’t like something, that doesn’t give you a reason to be rude to people that do. And harassing va’s, especially when they take so much time to make people aware that they don’t condone a character’s actions, is actually so immature. I love the hellaverse but sometimes I feel genuinely ashamed that i'm in this fandom.
The thing I hate about shipping it just seems like people have these weird fantasies and get hurt when you disagree. I get a lot of hate when I say Angel and Husk are best friends, like not every character is gay. Also the Alastor/Lucifier ship, they hate each other and neither are homosexual so it makes no sense but I get hate for bringing it up.
Bro its the whole opposite. Look im sorry if you get harassed for saying you dont like a ship but the toxic hate comes from mainly your side. Shippjng is fun you dont need to take ot seriously. Ive seen so many people get told to jump pf a cliff because they think radioapple is ok. Radioapple is fine just because it doesnt happen canonically doesn't mean its awful. I ship radioapple in a qpr sense like they co-parent and try my best to respect Alastor's sexuality yet i get harassed constantly. You can share your opinion but at least be respectful about it instead of being like "Radioapple makes no sense i hate it"
@@Nove-u7n Didn't know I was on "a side" i'm just being objective
@@marcwhitlock5002 objective of what? You said you don't like radioapple because it make no sense. That's not true I just said that. It can work in some way but doesn't mean it needs to happen. Most shippers know it will not be canon it's just our fun. I'm just saying that at least we can be respectful of each of our opinions and not be too harsh because everyone has different preferences.
@@marcwhitlock5002 you said you get hate for bringing it up could I know where? Because if you bring it up on radioapple posts then that's your fault. And if people hate on you when you share it just anywhere then I'm sorry on behalf on them I was just sharing my experience as well
@@Nove-u7n I don't say anything or start stuff on shipping posts. I'm just answering the topic here what I think is wrong.
For the Cougar situation, those franchises have a cute demeanor but it doesn’t mean it all made for kids. Poppy’s Playtime is a horror game which had a T rating but it appeals to kids because they like cute characters. Fnaf fandom is 10 years old now so those kids have grown up and it used to be horror related. Murder Drones has murder in the title definitely not for kids, but it’s an edgy, cool show so why wouldn’t it be appealing to kids?
Cartoons aren’t exclusively for kids but kids get into them especially if appealing. And just cause mascot horror is cute doesn’t mean it’s aimed for kids; honestly it plays on the nostalgic fact which means you have to be old enough to have that mindset. Parents need to aware of what their kids are watching and explain things better. It’s not the creators job to make the internet safer for kids who have parents who seem to give them free range on their electronics.
Should the thumbnails be better? Sure, but as Angel Dust says “sex sales, baby” and who more likely to click sexy thumbnails? Horny people/teenagers. As someone who actually watches his content but at first didn’t become everyone was saying he was bad. I learned that the thumbnail most times don’t reflect what’s going on in the comics his team dubs. It’s just clickbait at this point and unfortunately RUclips likes clickbait titles, thumbnails, and of course topics.
Helluva Boss, HazbinHotel,Amazing digital circus, Murder drones, etc. aren’t for kids and people are arguing about Five nights at Freddy’s and Poppy playtime, but these are horror games and they’re lore isn’t kid friendly.
That’s what I was trying to argue with people harassing Cougar
I am italian and i used to watch poldo, he actually does great content so it surprised me that he did something like that.
As an italian myself, i think there's something more to it. It's strange that poldo has copied so directly ayy lmao's video like this.
I think it's better if poldo addresses this because it would ruin his reputation as a youtuber.
Maybe it was prime giving nkt enough time to make enough research, so when he finded the best video he just used it to make the script without the time to make it good? Or maybe prime gave him a script and "yeah just made it your style"?
It's not impossible since 90% of the time poldo uses to make a video is the editing
Ma guys come ho letto in un'altro commento l'argomento era quello non è che puoi cambiare molto le cose da dire sulla sua storia e poi può essere che abbiano chiamato Poldo solo per recitare uno script che può essere stato scritto dal team di Amazon prime.
Alla fine della giornata pensatela come volete non sono qui per imporre idee quindi notte a tutti e lode alla passera
@Tired_Engineer4464 lode alla passera sempre brother
@@mirko-_-🤝🫂
The fandom Is hated and loved at the same time
@Yiugve6432-c1k huh?
Sorry if I'm ignorant
Ugh! The Hazbin Hotel Fandom is so toxic nowadays especially when people are harassing Joel Perez just because he voiced Valentino, heck I bet people are calling Charlie a boring protagonist even though she's anything, but boring. I bet the Helluva Boss Fandom is somehow even worse, every time there's a new episode of Helluva Boss, some people would probably talk bad about it instead of being grateful after months of waiting.😡
I stopped watching Helluva Boss because the story line wasnt for me - a lot of the fans there are very unhealthy. Harrasing a voice actor or cosolayer is WRONG.
@@jocelynsmyth6604 I would never do that! I rather enjoy both shows without any problems!
sadly one of the main complaints I've heard in general about shows over the years is that the fanbase had become toxic. I mean look at other shows like Steven universe or Five Nights At Freddy's and you'll see that it's an issue that doesn't just plague Hazbin Hotel.
@@torablack That's just great.😓
I saw someone make a video saying Charlie & Vaggie are "boring" & the worst couple in the show just because they're not in a toxic relationship. How does that even make sense?🤷♀️
Gives me flashbacks to the Actors of Geoffrey and Cercei from GOT being harassed when the show came out. It's insane how many people can't grasp what "Acting" means.
Tldr: Shipping is just for fun, its not meant to be taken so seriously, but folks do anyways, and if we took fictional characters sexualities seriously, then things will be very different
The thing with the shipping is that its supposed to be fun and light hearted, but shippers in just about any Fandom go too far 😓 But people getting furious for, like, shipping Charlie with male characters or shipping Alastor in general is ridiculous.
If ya don't ship Al, that's fine. If you don't ship Charlie with a male, thats fine too. But harassing people about shipping/anti-shipping is just so stupid. "But Charlie is in a relationship with Vaggie so she's a lesbian-" for one she's cannonically bi. And two, people gonna ship even if they already in a relationship. "But thats erasure-" No its not. Its erasure if the creator themselves decides to go back on their own cannon.
With Al, he is not aro. He is just ace so far. And even though he is ace, acesexuality is its own spectrum. I'm an ace, and I still like shipping him and stuff. I'm not a fan of the NSFW, but I have learned something that most people should do. ✨Ignore it ✨ Hes a cartoon character in a popular piece of media. Sadly there will always be NSFW art of him. Funny enough, no one has fought about Mammon who has been told to go F-himself by Bee, and has shown a fancy with Levy (he was shown wearing ace colors in the official pride art, though there's theories going around hes Demi) As said before if he is ace, asexuality is a spectrum.
"But they aren't respecting his sexuality-" I'm sorry, but if we are respecting sexualities or relationships now, then we can't ship characters who are cannonically straight in gay relationships either, and of course all characters who are married or in a relationship. Yes I know there is little to know LGBTQA+ rep out there, but its equality, not one over the other. And if we are gonna see fictional relationships like real relationships, then it's like seeing your straight, married neighbors and saying "I ship Jim with John, the butcher down the street". Now that's not fair to Jim at all, just because there isn't a gay couple on the block. So a fan of shipping, say, Naruto with Sasuke? Well ya can't do that cuz Naruto married to Hinata. Fan of Dean and Cassiel? Can't do that, Dean is a ladies man.
Overall, shipping is supposed to be for fun and for people to have cute headcannons and fanfictions and get warm, happy feelings. For some, its to knock their socks off.
Shipping is fun, until someone vows to have you and your family murdered because you don't ship a character with the "right" one (real story).
You're absolutely right with everything you said, shipping is just for fun and to try different things and the concept of what if? and non canon ships wouldn't change anything about the show itself they're just fanfictions but some people take it very seriously.. I also worry about the amount of hypocrites in the fandom when it comes to shipping.
@@cataleya4768 I have seen so many hypocritical aroaces/aces its actually a bit depressing 😓 The thing with fictional characters is that people can see themselves in said characters. Lots of Trans people see themselves in Dipper Pines from Gravity Falls because he has a lot of identity issues and body image stuff, even though he isn't actually trans. But its still a fun headcannon that gives comfort to people.
Alastor is Ace, of course. Some aces still have sexual relationships with their romantic partners, some aren't in sexual relations period, ace isn't black and white, there's a lot of gray. But some aces have been coming in and saying "you're not a real ace if you have sex" and that's so harmful 😓 Hell, when that one person came out and said Al is Aroace, some aroace people straight up said "you're not allowed to ship Al period you're disrespectful to us" even though there's aroace people who are in platonic relationships or their own complicated relationships with their own labels.
The only time we should worry about Al's Ace-ness to be erased is when Viv goes back on her word and says "ah yeah, he isn't actually." As said, ace-ness is gray but obviously in the show itself, we have a little bit of proof that Al could be sex repulsed (even though the proof is Angel hitting on him in a very inappropriate way in the pilot)
@@megaene Or if the ship is a non cannon straight ship, so they immediately say the person shipping it is homophobic cuz they aren't doing a gay ship 😓
Time for an Everything Right with the Fandom video 👏
The vid would probably only be five minutes long hahahaha but it’d be cool to see the brighter side too!
i don't hate the show, i hate half the fandom. there are good people in the fandom but some aren't.. great. that's why people hate it because of the fandom and never realize that the show itself is good. its a fiction show it's okay to like a horrible character, its part of the show and it makes the show a show. people need to learn respect honestly
Despite this being hated.... For some reason, it's kinda sad because Helluva Boss was the only one people loved, even I do, but I agree, the fandom of Hazbin sucks.
TsukiHound videos got recommended to me shortly after your videos and I was so confused, and had to figure out which one was the copycat. 😵💫 It didn’t take long to see you were the original creator, luckily!
My mindset on shipping is this you can have your ships your OTP but don't bully the creators into making it cannon I saw this happen with one of my favorite shows RWBY it was horrible and ya it's nice when it becomes cannon but ONLY if that was the original intent. Ships are meant to be fun a way to connect and nerd out and gush over smexy lewd art and comics and create fan children and stories but it should never be forced onto creators to be made real because that's how you loose your real fans Like what happened to RWBY. A real fan won't care if there ship is cannon they will love the show for what it is and the story it tells. It also shouldn't matter what the creator's stance of LGBTQ and politics either not everything needs representation and it's not any worse if it lacks it, honestly you shouldn't try to write about experiences you've never had or things you don't believe in because it won't be authentic. thank you for coming to my TED talk
Yeah. I got served death threats twice for saying that Angel and Husk aren't a couple and they don't seem to be written with that intention (as of season 1)... 😅
@@megaene that is not right at all I love huskerdust and if it turns out they are meant to be together great if not still great I will love them all the same
I agree with you, especially with a creator's opinion on stuff like politics. It shouldn't matter to you that much as long as they aren't doing/saying anything to cause harm to you or anyone else. If they don't agree with your views, leave it at that. Forcing a ship is the reason I left the RWBY Fandom. Even with another fandom where a ship is confirmed to be non-canon too and many insisted it was canon(ahem, HI3/GI/HSR/Beastars/Vanitas no Carte fandoms calling you out a little). And yes, not everything needs to have representation. I'm from a minority group(not the lgbt), and even I know where to draw the line. Yes, having good representation is great, but not every character has to be like you in terms of appearance or race or any of that to relate to them. I'm a girl, and I mostly relate to male characters who don't even look like me (the majority of them don't).
Edit/Story time(?¿): This is sort of related maybe not but I was talking a tiny bit about my perspective as a person of color about a manga(/now anime) character who had dark skin like me and all I said was how happy I was to see one character that looked like me in anime that wasn't stereotypical in any way(it didn't matter to me if the character was black or not at that point, I was happy the manga was mostly not stereotypical) and someone decided to bring the mood down and harass me with "that character isn't black. America made you *blah blah blah more nonsense*", and I never stated this character was black. I wasn't seeking out anything like representation, I just related to this character and multiple others in more ways than one and expressed a little bit of my joy and mostly talked about the anime's story as a whole(during the manga's long hiatus). The weirdest thing about this interaction was that this guy targeted me and never said this to the RUclipsr, who also talked about his perspective as a person of color and the anime's writing as a whole. Just wanted to share this weird thing that happened to me. This manga is Vanitas no Carte, btw. The anime left context from the manga out, so I recommend reading the manga. I've been reading it for years but never joined the fandom, and I don’t plan to. Idk if it's off hiatus yet.
@@megaene That’s horrible..
@SonHikarii1984 say it louder for the people in the back
I will say VRchat takes it to a whole new level when it comes to the toxic side of the fandom💀💀💀
Yep
I'll fully admit I like Val's design, and his voice actor does an amazing job portraying him
*I personally have a love/hate relationship with HH/HB not only is the writing messy with plot holes but the animation at times is pretty choppy it is however, entertaining to watch! The fans are unironically the reason the hatedom is growing in large numbers actually: harassing anyone that even remotely criticises the show, sending literal death threats to Val fans as if they aren’t an Alastor simp hell even the Adam and Lute fans get harassment and for the love of a non-existent god STOP TALKING ABOUT IT 24/7 I understand liking Hazbin/Helluva but talking about it as if it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread NON STOP IS SO INFURIATING one of the reasons people don’t wanna watch it and another reason the fandom is bad is that the fans don’t wanna admit that the pilot is better than the entirety of S1*
4:06 who does this? I guess people have nothing better to do. It’s ridiculous, especially over a ship? Disgusting behavior.
Many, unfortunately. I got death threats three times just because I don't ship Angel with Husk.
@ I didn’t mean literally, but you should’ve tagged me because I don’t ship them either lol I don’t really see chemistry there, I see friendship, but of course that could change in future episodes… but I’m not feeling the chemistry there
*Cough* *cough* radiopple haters.
No but seriously on tiktok even on radioapple posts people get harassed constantly by these haters always saying "fuck radioapple" or "if radioapple has zero haters im dead"
Like dude get a life..
What I usually get from villain acting is that if the acting is so good you hate the character, the actor is incredibly talented, not a bad person themselves
Being a Hellverse fan is so depressing dealing with all this crap and toxicity 😤 I especially hate how the algorithm seems to recommend me RUclips videos hating on Vivziepop and the show. I'm glad there are channels like yours and others that enjoy Hazbin and Helluva.
10:09 I WAS RIGHT, I found the long self put together playlist from Toon, and just from the first 10 seconds of 1 singular song I Immediately knew it was AI crap, getting recommend their stuff way before - And I viewed all the Song Titles a bit content farmy..
18:57 WHAT!?- They were too??, Now I feel lied to since I thought they were Normal 😔
I never realized it was AI generated until I watched this video (yes, it does say they are, but I've never seen that). Sure, the result is still enjoyable, but I definitely would've had a different thought if I knew. I was wondering how they could drop 7-8 songs based on the last episode. Oh well, at least I know now. I'll go back to my MilkyMelodies and Paranoid DJ playlists now. 😊
28:20 I personally think the biggest problem with these creators are the way they presented: How to NOT write a victim of abuse is a very agresive title, I've watched videos that criticise AD's character but just reading that rubbs me the wrong way, Hazbin Hotel the good the bad the fandom literally shows the characters in a literal trashfire, this style of presentarion appears to attract the haters more then the fans, and you want the fans to listen to you, you won't convince someone with an approach like this
Im so happy that you hav posted this, hopefully people will change their ways
Regarding Poldo and Amazon Prime Italia, I don't think they "stole" your video... I mean, you're talking about the history of the same show. The chronological order of the events is the same...
Btw, keep doing great videos like this, and, hi from Italy!
Thanks for this long video 🙏
10:08 Dang I watched ToonFanatic yesterday, you learn something new everyday
Same. I had no idea it was AI.
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My trust in youtubers is falling rapidly at this rate.
anyone who struggles to discern a fictional character from the person portraying them shouldn't be allowed to vote
Listen I just have problems with shipping..like I don’t get it..radio apple? At the end of the day I can’t do anything about, but what triggers me is when people say “CANON!! RADIOAPPLE ARE MY PARENTS” etc.. it’s genuinely and generally annoying, it’s not gonna be canon and NEVER will.
“radio apple are my parents” is wild tbh. I agree with u
@ I’ve seen one like “it’s canon I was that kissmark on alastors lips”
@@Theia_sb ppl are wilding😭😭😭
like if i ship a ship in a fandom, sure, maybe ill post fanart or sm but i wont go around saying “ITS CANON, ITS BETTER THAN ___.” People forget fanon and canon😔
Ok
Haven't been in fandom side of Hazbin hotel much, but really like you making a difference between individuals being rude/fighting and people shipping, often people can make it sound that if you're a shipper, you're also nuts/rude, so nice you didn't. c:
I’m just a simple fan who loves Guitarspear. 🗡️🎸
Good day to you gentleman.
@ good day to you too Lord D!ckmaster
I swear, idk which fandom is worse MHA or Hazbin Hotel
Not every fan is bad...
@@CandyCat9462 I know nothing about MHA and I should probably keep it that way but idk if they are comparable
@@bennekinkids with adults, enough said
None in my opinion, people really just gotta stop talking about the negative side of things which is why "constant drama" happens in the fandom(s) because the speaking about the negative side of things just makes idiots think it'll be fine to target innocent people in the fandom which is why I hate videos like the one that's made now(no offense but I'll ignore it anyways so no biggie.) because like I said, THAT'S WHY "drama" happens contantly due to the people paying attention negativity which is why bullcrap happens.
Edit: I know probably nothing made sense in my comment but y'all get the point, I ain't gonna edit my whole comment. Too damn lazy to do so...
@@YaLocal_Met4lHead Ayy Lmao did say in the video that not every fan is bad tho.
The thing is the extreme parts of the fandom and the hatedom have created this echo chamber, where both use the extreme ends of one another to represent the whole. Take this. Someone will give bad faith criticism, the fanbase will react negatively, someone makes a good critique video, the fandom having already experienced bad faith criticism just assumes that's in bad faith and lash's out, people will use those examples of the fandom to say that all of the fandom are bad people and can't handle criticism, leading to more bad faith criticism and continuing the cycle.
So they make good villains basically that actually make people hate them. That's always been called a good actor. And props to the people animating and writing scripts.
Valentino is a goddamn cartoon character. Can you imagine if people harassed Freddy Krueger cosplayers?
That's the problem, many people and fans are hypocrites, they love characters like Freddy Krueger and Alastor even though they have made far more bad things than Valentino
@@alkissakoulis782 They forget that Alastor basically abuses Husk. I don't know anything about Freddy Krueger, so I can't say a thing about him.
The same as so many fandoms… swifties, bronies back in the day, whovians, beliebers and directioners, BTS-Stans… fandoms just in general are toxic and cringe.
12:48 that doesn't seem like him, i think he was probably just given a script from amazon, usually the videos he makes are original
Great video btw. Keep up with your work.
And it’s happening to call of duty black ops 6 because, zombies cast like Peck, Samantha Maxis and others are on strike and gets replaced by AI. It sucks that people hate this show. But hey, I really like this show though.
😓 I was a fan of both content farm channels from the few videos I’d seen. I definitely unsubscribed to them after you brought them up. My goodness, I didn’t realize how many of those channels I’ve been sucked into. I really hope Lit Creations and Hazfans Unlimited don’t fall into that category too.😓
The biggest problem is Twitter lol
It not funny
Completely disagree with you on AI when it comes to memes/shitposts.
“Oh, but they can just hire an amateur VA.”
People aren’t gonna have the patience or desire to put effort and wait to find a VA, nor figure out how to find one if they’re making something that is made to be goofy. Especially when you realize that the majority of people using AI for those are 13-16 year old kids, which, ain’t no way Amir Talai is threatening to sue what is usually young teens. Completely understand why you would be upset if it was a content farm/if the vid was monetized since that would be stealing your likeness. But still,
LET PEOPLE HAVE FUN!!!
There is so much wrong with the Fandom 😭
sadl it's something that doesn't just plague Hazbin Hotel
Glad that you brought up TSuki Hound and I thought he was a chill guy making helluva boss and hazbin theories and stuff like that but I noticed he's been making way too similar content to others and yours. And not only that he posts weird stuff in his shorts too like cropped loona r34 just to get more ppl to watch him like cmon 💀
The fandom desperately needs a factory reset.
I don't think even Charlie Morningstar herself could EVER redeem this fandom.
At 27:05 , there was also a another video, with the same thumbnail titled " How to write a victim of abuse," and the creator was also dressed up as Valentino I didn’t watch the video, but I did see the fandom over on Twitter going back and forth about it for a while
The fandom is truly one of the main reasons Hazbin/Helluva are so hated. This fandom is completely feral, they will defend these shows with every once of their being, going so far as to harass people for stuff. There’s this RUclipsr named Cartoonshi who made a critique on season 2 of helluva, and fans on Twitter bullied him so severely that he refuses to watch Helluva Boss to this day.
I know right? Stop harassing people just because they don't agree with you. People are allowed to have their own opinions.
I suppose, people are simply mentally all the way and beyond done with the bad faith criticism that started all the way since fake allegations, so now people no longer separate between the constructive good faith and the spiteful and toxic bad faith criticism, and you cannot deny that the latter had always been plaguing the community at the hands of haters
This is truly bad for everyone. Any person, no matter the fandom, should know to respect the artist and be able to distinguish the character from the actor. You do not harm the person in any way. This show is for adults/young adults; A person that age should know better. People that do these things are not fans.
This is a massive problem right now, as this does not even exist right now. Along with many problems right now as we know this is happening and we should stop. This is so much wrong and messed up that we should have to leave them alone. we should make this illegal and make issues of this. By the way I also follow him and im sorry if i did this but i just lile him for some reason but now I will always know. This will end into a war and a conflict or even a civil war.
I knew that guy was sus also sorry you have to deal with people stealing your videos and then putting an ai voice. Love you so much❤❤❤
This reminds me of the tadc content farms and the FNAF fandom
You know what, it's so crazy, I used to watch most of Cougar's videos; they werent bad, but the thumbnails were starting to bother me. A shame because he's an awesome VA...
7:36 I knew it he was damn copycat
There is a reason why I keep my distance away from a fandom with tons of issues