I find it interesting in these comparisons that no one ever mentions reliability ratings since to me that is extremely a big part of my purchase decision. I've owned everything pretty much out there at one time or another and just recently purchased a 2017 FZ-10. Would never buy a BMW or a Ducati having owned one and I am very familiar with the service departments because of it. Yamaha is rated number one above any other in the world for reliability. That is a huge factor to me.
Why are street bike reviews based on track bike tests? Why are the riders climbing all over when they ride, these are not full on track bikes, I never see them ridden like this, so why review them like they are track bikes?
We have no, none, absolutely zero corners on our mile-high plateau, unless we travel a minimum of 350km in any direction. Sometimes we just don't have time for a 700km round-trip just for some corners. The track we use is tight and twisty, like a mountain pass without the elevation changes. A track is also much safer for us when we push the handling envelope just a bit. We do make mistakes, and a mistake on a track you tend to talk away from. The last innocuous accident I had on the road put me in hospital for a week, broke three bones and gifted me some new metal work. It's that coming to a sudden stop scenario. I have broken 19 bones, I'd rather avoid any more if that's possible. As for riding style, I'm afraid I'm stupid enough to ride like that on the road, too. Even when I don't put my knee on the deck I need to move around the bike to feel comfortable. Years of riding like this mean I just can't do the 'Hailwood' style without feeling like I'm about to crash.
Sounds fair enough, but a little more simulated slow riding with comments/focus on how user friendly bikes are to ride at city/suburb speeds, clutch control etc would be nice , smoothness when on off throttle in traffic, the sort of stuff that would grate on you if you actually owned one and used it, how far you'd get on a tank (could you actually make it to some fun roads without planning in fuel stops), cost of ownership. how comfortable are they to ride without a 100 mph wind holding your body up. We can pretend we buy a bike just for flat out riding, and pub talk stats on power to weight etc. but unless you enjoy the feel of the bike in actual use, using it will be a pain in the arse, and you'll soon grow tired of it. Maybe being from the UK I look for different things in a review.
The truth is, they won't tell you much about the bad points on these main channels. Yamaha, ducati, and BMW wouldn't loan out the bikes very willingly if it cost them sales. Watch shadetree surgeon's video on this topic.
Guys I had a 2010 S1000RR. I traded it 3 years later on the S1000R. For me at least it’s a far better handling bike on the track. Having ridden Phillip Island in Oz, the only time the RR got me was on the straight! So I agree & am blood6 happy with the R👍🏼😎
In the US, the MT-10 is the least expensive to buy and maintain by a longshot. I found a 17 FZ10 with 41 miles on it with the Akrapovic titanium midpipe, tune, TRex FZ-10 sliders, axle sliders, 1" lowering link, license plate tail tidy, AIS blocked off, K&N filter, and OEM comfort seat. It was thousands less than a new one in March. I almost bought a 2015 S1000R in red with low miles, but it sold they day I called. I have about 1500 miles on it now and added an Amazon rear tail bag, Puig touring shield, and Chris Moore tune. This thing is a blast on the NC curvy back roads. Looking forward to a mountain ride soon. The sound blows everything but the Tuono's V4 away.
No. There's no absolute bike because a bike is in essence a matter of compromise. But indeed, YOU can personnally find your absolute best compromise, aka your dream bike.
The Ducati monster did not start the naked bike craze, we as builders 30 years ago were building streetfighters and the companys took this onboard and followed suit
Just went to a Yamaha dealership here in Texas and the guy wanted $10,900 US dollars for MT-10. Might have to get one if I can get it in black, it looks great in person!
can't believe the yamaha is more expensive in SA, in the uk it's £2k cheaper than the BMW and £5k less than the ducati, not sure what the exchange rate is.
In the UK its £9999 for the MT-10, £10,350 for the S1000R or £11,875 S1000r (sport) which includes cruise control, Dynamic damping control, heated grips, and a lot of other extras like LED indicators, engine cowl or a whopping £15,250 for the Monster 1200r. I've ridden all 3 and personally the S1000r wins, with the Monster 2nd and the Yamaha 3rd. The BMW is the best all rounder, offering an insanely fast bike, incredibly comfortable and silky smooth. The Ducati is heaps of fun, and is good choice for the twistys, the fancy LCD clocks are a bit rubbish, tough to see in direct sunlight. The Yamaha While incredible value for money felt 'cheap' and not as exciting to ride as the other two. The looks are much like the BMW you'll either love or hate it.
Brand-X awesome! I got my 2017 just after launch in the US for $9,200 out the door! No dealer fees and full warranty, new. MSRP in US was $12,999, but a California dealer ordered 12 and after a week hadn't sold 1, 9 of them were this color so they put 2 on cycletrader at their cost jsut to move them and keep dealer allotment. I got mine out of state from there $9,200, insane! Kept 2 years and LOVED every minute buying another. Will look for another out of state deal. 👍👍
John Baldwin I got mine for $9,200 out the door. I live in utah, dual residency in Arizona. I found mine on cycle trader new in California from andealer that ordered too many in grey and dumped 2 at cost, no dealer fees. I got out the door at $9,200 new , full warranty, cost me $175 to ship to utah , registers in Arizona so no taxes so it cost me $9,375! Insane deal. Shop on cycletrader.com search with no distance parameter, sort by low to high. You'll have to ship it but it's cheap and they're so reliable no issues buying sight unseen IF a reputable dealer.
Best review I've seen by far👏 I know nothing was mentioned about the MT-10 poor fuel capacity but who cares not me personally as its going to be my new toy well the SP version. The guy that rode th MT looks like my old geography teacher but man he can ride a bike, that's exactly what I will be doing on mine.Ive got a gen one FZR1000 fazer had it for many years to think in the UKwhen new it would have been nearly the same price as the MT-10😬 it's a great bike still going strong I just wonder if the MT-10 will have the same longevity? GREAT VIDEO LOVED IT cheers guys regards Pete.🏴🇬🇧🤙
I had a ducati s2r 1000 and covered over 50k on it. Genuinely not one problem so I'd have a 1200 in a heartbeat. Smashes the others all over the place for torque. I do like Yamaha tho but given the position of the bars I think you could ride the ducati quicker
Ari what were you using for on-helmet camera in this video? The walk-around bits in the beginning where all jelly-fished, like if you used a really bad implementation of digital stabilization combined with horrid rolling shutter, or the floating element of the camera's optical stabilization (if it has one) has gone out of whack.
A friend of mine used to own a brand new BM, he is a garage mechanic, his gripe was starting the bike from cold, so much so that he returned the bike to BMW complaining there was a fault, basically when starting the bike from cold he said it sounded like a bag of nails, and being a mechanic felt this was not right, BMWs response was that this was normal? Suffice to say he sold the bike shortly after that!!
in vitro youtube baby agreed and twice the cost for Tuono Factory! I paid $9,200 for my FZ10 out the door new (got a steal) Tuono Factory out the door with dealer fees and taxes is over $20,000. Yikes
Well a good comparison but with the whole naked sport bike thing busting wide open the past few years there are a lot missing from this. Z1000, gsx-1000, tuono v4, Speed Triple R, Superduke 1200 R, a lot of bikes in the area. I guess you can't have everything though, nice video anyway.
The fact that the BMW is cheaper then MT is just crazy to me. Here in Middle East, the MT is about 40%- 50% cheaper then the BMW. If it was the other way around, nobody would even look at this Yamaha. Both are great but BMW is just a higher level bike.
Old video but still worth a comment, the points raised about the BMW being great round a track.... me personally want a bike for fast A and B roads so a compliant suspension is high on my list before out right performance. So its the MT10 for me as a clear winner.
Low maintenance cost on the MT is the biggest reason for me. @ 1000.00 for a valve adjustment the Ducati is just too much and reliability on the Monster is third place here too.
On the dyno , the Mt-10 is lacking +- 20 bhp , I wonder if u feel it on the road ? I have a 2017 s1000r atm want to change to Mt-10 but afraid I will miss those 20 extra bhp
I'm still in love with my ZRX. It's the best looking UJM out there. Why doesn't Kawasaki come out with another hyper naked version? Maybe add 200cc to the Z1000?
In what crazy world is the BMW option EVER the cheapest?? Lol, not even in Germany is that true. MT-10/FZ-10is the cheapest virtually everywhere else in the world and I'd say that huge savings makes it the most viable option for the most people. Even MCN agrees with numerous cross-Europe tests comparisons and think the Ducati isn't even in the running for the top 4. It IS striking, however.
So... tell us about how they did on the streets. They’re street bikes, around town, country lanes, freeway/motorway. What’s the point in this review at all?
Mt10 all the way. More character than the bmw, cheaper here in the uk by a long way (£10,800) and more reliable than the ducati. Ducati make excellent riding bikes but there's a reason that few keep them past 10k miles...the elephant in the room that no bike journo wilk talk about. Having ridden the MT10...to hear someone say it has little torque is laughable...there's plenty from any gear at any revs past 3k...what's more it is smoother than either of the others and more accessible. The one drawback of the Yamaha is the tank range and appalling fuel consumption. I emptied a full tank on a test ride! It needs 5 litres more than it has to be practical so where does that leave things? Just my humble opinion but if you want a fast, fun, characterful and practical naked bike go out and buy the bmw r1250 naked instead or the r1200gs or 1250gs. Both have it nailed as a real world blend of ideal power for the road (in the real world and not on track), practicality, character, reliability, handling and build quality. They have it all. I also loved the KTM 990 smt and such a shame ktm drifted from such a real world practical all rounder to the silly tall silly expensive vibey machines they now produce without the reliability of the smt. Of those in the test I'd take the MT10. A bike without character is dull nomatter how good it is on track and a bike that costs a fortune to service and look after like the Ducati is just a wealthy person's plaything.
With my experience with friends' BMW's and exorbitant rate that the bmw dealership (stealership) charges for basically anything keeps me with yamaha. Just picked up a blue '18 mt10 with 1k mi on it for $9700 here in the USA. That's a bargain but I'll need all that extra cash just to buy gas for the pig. I have a new gen mt09 too that has very few miles too. One has got to go.......
Donovan, you say even without the super duke you'd still choose better bikes than these. I've got to know what you mean by that! Tell us which super nakeds you'd choose
i should say that I live in the US, and the Suzuki is just sooo much less than the rest, I wish the BMW was more affordable where I am cuz it is so awesome though
Yeah I agree, the Suzuki really doesn't seem the far off in quality for how much cheaper it is. The GSXS1000 is towards the end of my list, but it's probably the one I would buy.
speaking from personal experience, I totally disagree with the statement that the S1000r is lacking character. It has plenty of character, just a different type than the Ducati's, Harleys, etc.....
The Monster 1200 won't even beat the outgoing Ducati Streetfighter around a track. Ducati, you've let me down. Save yourself the time and get the SuperDuke or the Tuono.
@@petersajkic6749 Way to miss the point. The old 1098 street fighter engine was ancient by the time that 1200 monster was new 4 years ago, and it has another 100cc. So duh.
Yamaha the best looking, bmw looks like engineers were not sure which head light better, owner drive it like he installed the wrong headlight lol, that what any 1 sees the bmw the first time feels, wtf wrong head lights.
My beautiful and amazing mistress yea south africa is fucked with this governmemt Sad thing is you will never hear this in the mainstream press here in europe. They are too busy writing hate articles about putin
6.25. Such poor journalism. Someone forgot to tell this man that the most has a rear seat cowl, take it off, and it has a much larger rear seat than the MT10...
Why was there no tuono v4 1100 factory here? Seems like most agree that's the greatest Supernaked track weapon? Was shocked in a European show to not see it? Also, I was gonna say an MT10 is cheaper than a Monster R????? I bought mine new in the US at the launch over the tuono v4 1100 factory and superduke R becaue those two , while epic supernakeds are $18,000 here and you can't find a monster R to even debate that one. The FZ10 (MT10 ) has a suggested US retail of $13,000 US ,.. $5,000 LESS than the other two , here's the thing, the Supernaked market is growing here and the fastest growing sales class (nakeds in general) at that BUT becaue it was a first year and some dealers bought so many a few dumped them to keep their allotment high from Yamaha . I got mine new 0 miles , full warranty, NO DEALER fees of ANY kind! Saving about $900 alone but the best part, the dealer ordered 3 black MT10s and NINE grey and yellow thinking they'd sell fast. For some reason I was one of the few here that understood what a naked R1 would be comming from a 2015 R1 prior, how could it go wrong, the ONLY Japanese Supernaked , crossplane 4 front he R1 and all the electronics and parts of the R1 , somehow most MY countrymen missed the memo , this dealer In California had 2 of the 9 listed for $9,200 OT THE DOOR!! No fees, $3,800 LESS THAN MSRP!!! That's MT10 pricing there!!! So technically , I got my new 0 mile MT10 for $8,800 LESS THAN THE OTHER TEO SUPERNAKEDS!! Literally half price ! Deal of my life for sure! That alone made it worth it! While I LOVE THE SDR and the tuono, I could not justify paying double when the MT10 has the R1 crossplane 4 , which when decatted sounds very close to the aprilia v4 (greatest sound on Earth) it's performance specs are nearly identicle to the double priced other two, even better in some tests; like 0-60 mph which for a naked is it's purpose lol the MT10 has THE FASTEST 0-60mph of ANY production motorcycle on earth, ever! 2.4 seconds! Exotic hypercar time! All of this and all the bells and whistles for half the price along with Yamaha reliability, cheapest brand to maintain , service and availability of parts is amamzing not to mention. Dealer on every corner here. Where as aprilia doesn't have a dealer within 1,200 miles of me and obviously aren't known for reliability or cheap repairs and service so while it was up here as a favorite, didn't make sense. Oh and I don't like the tail at all on the base tuono, the rsv tail on the factory his the only way to go, wish the MT10 would have done the R1 tail likewise, the factory also has the best components on earth as well . For me and my poor mans wallet , my skill level couldn't get any more out of the SDR or tuono at a track to make it worth twice the price. And if you're worried about the 15 less hp, (even tho the MT10 is the quickest on earth) reflash the ecu and decat it totaling $400 and your over those hp numbers. Had it 2 years and of the 13 bikes I've owned , all supersports , my first supernaked was by far my favorite and I'm quicker around the track on it than my R1, a personal problem I'm sure. But wheelies for days! Powerup in 1-5th! Yeah! Must say I'm so jealous of the rest of the world getting the SP! The tuono Factory version of the MT10, I'd die for one!
The guy on the Duke was leaning like Marquez in a GP but doing road speeds....... despite what you think, you don't look cool. Edit: jeez, they all do.
As commented at 8:48 on prices - similarly to USA & Europe in Australia the MT-10 is 20% cheaper than S1000R and 25% cheaper than the Monster 1200R. The MT10 can now be got in April 2017 new for AUD$18,600; and the MT10 SP for AUD$21,600.
Not knowing where BMW is making their parts and their having some of the LOWEST scores among new owners as far as major repairs in the first 4 years of ownership removes them from consideration regardless of all the advertising or fanboys. I'll take a very well made Japanese bike any day of the week. You will never use the extra HP.
I have fallen in love with the MT 10 since riding it :D
I find it interesting in these comparisons that no one ever mentions reliability ratings since to me that is extremely a big part of my purchase decision. I've owned everything pretty much out there at one time or another and just recently purchased a 2017 FZ-10.
Would never buy a BMW or a Ducati having owned one and I am very familiar with the service departments because of it. Yamaha is rated number one above any other in the world for reliability. That is a huge factor to me.
Yeah but everybody else has a freaking japanese bike
Just look at consumer reports
My 2018 cbr1000rr is amazing honda really outdid themselves for me the decision came down to a cbr or a fz10 I went with the Honda
They're just plain and simply ugly mothers though.
Agreed, this needs to be a major part of the shootout. I would choose Yamaha in the end based on cost of ownership, ease of service, reliability, etc.
I own the FZ-10 (aka MT-10, I'm in the US so its the FZ), and I love it. Great bike.
Why are street bike reviews based on track bike tests?
Why are the riders climbing all over when they ride, these are not full on track bikes, I never see them ridden like this, so why review them like they are track bikes?
We have no, none, absolutely zero corners on our mile-high plateau, unless we travel a minimum of 350km in any direction. Sometimes we just don't have time for a 700km round-trip just for some corners.
The track we use is tight and twisty, like a mountain pass without the elevation changes. A track is also much safer for us when we push the handling envelope just a bit. We do make mistakes, and a mistake on a track you tend to talk away from. The last innocuous accident I had on the road put me in hospital for a week, broke three bones and gifted me some new metal work. It's that coming to a sudden stop scenario.
I have broken 19 bones, I'd rather avoid any more if that's possible. As for riding style, I'm afraid I'm stupid enough to ride like that on the road, too. Even when I don't put my knee on the deck I need to move around the bike to feel comfortable. Years of riding like this mean I just can't do the 'Hailwood' style without feeling like I'm about to crash.
Sounds fair enough, but a little more simulated slow riding with comments/focus on how user friendly bikes are to ride at city/suburb speeds, clutch control etc would be nice , smoothness when on off throttle in traffic, the sort of stuff that would grate on you if you actually owned one and used it, how far you'd get on a tank (could you actually make it to some fun roads without planning in fuel stops), cost of ownership. how comfortable are they to ride without a 100 mph wind holding your body up. We can pretend we buy a bike just for flat out riding, and pub talk stats on power to weight etc. but unless you enjoy the feel of the bike in actual use, using it will be a pain in the arse, and you'll soon grow tired of it.
Maybe being from the UK I look for different things in a review.
Cameron Masson Oh thanks
The truth is, they won't tell you much about the bad points on these main channels. Yamaha, ducati, and BMW wouldn't loan out the bikes very willingly if it cost them sales.
Watch shadetree surgeon's video on this topic.
I do agree completely with you.
Guys I had a 2010 S1000RR. I traded it 3 years later on the S1000R. For me at least it’s a far better handling bike on the track. Having ridden Phillip Island in Oz, the only time the RR got me was on the straight! So I agree & am blood6 happy with the R👍🏼😎
thank you these are the 3 bikes that are on my mind... I got to ride the s1000r and loved it.
The answer to both these bikes? Aprilia Tuono 1100. If you're cheap like me, GSX-S1000.
Bro, Aprilia = zero reliability,
GSX crazy good BUT what about comfort?
In the US, the MT-10 is the least expensive to buy and maintain by a longshot. I found a 17 FZ10 with 41 miles on it with the Akrapovic titanium midpipe, tune, TRex FZ-10 sliders, axle sliders, 1" lowering link, license plate tail tidy, AIS blocked off, K&N filter, and OEM comfort seat. It was thousands less than a new one in March. I almost bought a 2015 S1000R in red with low miles, but it sold they day I called. I have about 1500 miles on it now and added an Amazon rear tail bag, Puig touring shield, and Chris Moore tune. This thing is a blast on the NC curvy back roads. Looking forward to a mountain ride soon. The sound blows everything but the Tuono's V4 away.
yamaha have killed it with the 10.
YOUR a pile of shit. I own an FZ10 and it's one of the best all-around sport naked bikes out there. Go fuck your self
No.
There's no absolute bike because a bike is in essence a matter of compromise.
But indeed, YOU can personnally find your absolute best compromise, aka your dream bike.
Waaah big cry baby.
He never said the absolute best bike, he said "it's one of the best all-around sport naked bikes".
Ahh fan boys have deleted my original reply..
The Ducati monster did not start the naked bike craze, we as builders 30 years ago were building streetfighters and the companys took this onboard and followed suit
Great review, Life too short not to have fun !
Just went to a Yamaha dealership here in Texas and the guy wanted $10,900 US dollars for MT-10. Might have to get one if I can get it in black, it looks great in person!
So did you get it?
Monster Character
S1kR Precision
Fz10 Hooligan
can't believe the yamaha is more expensive in SA, in the uk it's £2k cheaper than the BMW and £5k less than the ducati, not sure what the exchange rate is.
Yamaha is cheaper than Ducati and BMW here in Singapore because there is a Yamaha manufacturer in India. thats where we get it cheap. hehe.
The guy who designed that race track should get an award! It's naked bike heaven.
were is the tuono
Correct. Tuono destroys all three of these bikes.
In past articles Aprilia has been unwilling to provide Tuono's for comparison. Probably the case here.
Yes that is true. Crazy Italians. They don't do critique well. ;)
Eh ... Ducati are Italian !
Aprilia Tuono is not made by Ducati.
In the UK its £9999 for the MT-10, £10,350 for the S1000R or £11,875 S1000r (sport) which includes cruise control, Dynamic damping control, heated grips, and a lot of other extras like LED indicators, engine cowl or a whopping £15,250 for the Monster 1200r.
I've ridden all 3 and personally the S1000r wins, with the Monster 2nd and the Yamaha 3rd. The BMW is the best all rounder, offering an insanely fast bike, incredibly comfortable and silky smooth. The Ducati is heaps of fun, and is good choice for the twistys, the fancy LCD clocks are a bit rubbish, tough to see in direct sunlight. The Yamaha While incredible value for money felt 'cheap' and not as exciting to ride as the other two. The looks are much like the BMW you'll either love or hate it.
Enjoyable video but lacking one vital component- aprilia tuono.
Perhaps they wanted to limit it to reliable bikes with a good dealer support network and parts availability. (I kid, I kid)
Didn't make the cut.
Super Duke R
@tinwoods not there because it's the winner.
Just got a new MT-10 left over 2018 for $10,799... I'm good with that! This thing is brilliant!
Brand-X
What state? I’m shopping AZ
@@oldgreenbus I'm in Texas... but if the right deal is out there, grab a cheap flight... FLY AND RIDE HOME. It's worth it!
Brand-X awesome! I got my 2017 just after launch in the US for $9,200 out the door! No dealer fees and full warranty, new. MSRP in US was $12,999, but a California dealer ordered 12 and after a week hadn't sold 1, 9 of them were this color so they put 2 on cycletrader at their cost jsut to move them and keep dealer allotment. I got mine out of state from there $9,200, insane! Kept 2 years and LOVED every minute buying another. Will look for another out of state deal. 👍👍
John Baldwin I got mine for $9,200 out the door. I live in utah, dual residency in Arizona. I found mine on cycle trader new in California from andealer that ordered too many in grey and dumped 2 at cost, no dealer fees. I got out the door at $9,200 new , full warranty, cost me $175 to ship to utah , registers in Arizona so no taxes so it cost me $9,375! Insane deal. Shop on cycletrader.com search with no distance parameter, sort by low to high. You'll have to ship it but it's cheap and they're so reliable no issues buying sight unseen IF a reputable dealer.
Brand-X agreed or ship it, cost me $175 to ship enclosed from Cali to utah
Where’s the Tuono ? ?? Would out class all of them
The MT10 is a great bike ... absolutely bonkers but I couldn’t live with that suspension. It’s as hard a brick. In the real world BMW for me, ta.
That pricing is really odd, here too the MT-10 is the least expensive.
NZsarge1 Yammy MT09 costs as much as the Daytona675R in my country.... wierd it is.
KTM are dirt cheap compared to Europe, here in 🇨🇦
Best review I've seen by far👏 I know nothing was mentioned about the MT-10 poor fuel capacity but who cares not me personally as its going to be my new toy well the SP version. The guy that rode th MT looks like my old geography teacher but man he can ride a bike, that's exactly what I will be doing on mine.Ive got a gen one FZR1000 fazer had it for many years to think in the UKwhen new it would have been nearly the same price as the MT-10😬 it's a great bike still going strong I just wonder if the MT-10 will have the same longevity? GREAT VIDEO LOVED IT cheers guys regards Pete.🏴🇬🇧🤙
My old s1000r used to flop about over 120 rabbits, what are the other nakeds like?
I own the 2016 r1 and the Mt10 ! MT10 everytime 🤷♂️👍👍🏍
Apparently the Brake reservoir on the BMW is that way to shake out air bubbles
I think on an actual road, Ducati would be the fun bike, considering all the torque, sound and looks.
That SA price on the Yamaha is lunacy. That bike is about 150,000 rand in usd equivalent, and one of its most competitive features.
Yamaha All Day !!!
I had a ducati s2r 1000 and covered over 50k on it. Genuinely not one problem so I'd have a 1200 in a heartbeat. Smashes the others all over the place for torque. I do like Yamaha tho but given the position of the bars I think you could ride the ducati quicker
So how many miles between valve adjustment on the Ducati? Vs the BMW, & Yamaha?😁👍
Matt, your body double pulls great wheelies. 🤪
The MT 10 SP or a Ducati Hyper motard 950 SP!! is what I might get?......
tuono 1100 factory.
Ever checked the cost and service intervals for Ducati’s? 😂
Goratch the mule the intervals for “desmo-service” is 24000 km which can cost you up to 2500 euro depending on type and year of build
@@YZFMANIAC08 I know, mine would have cost aprox 1200 euro but I didn't have it that long
Goratch the mule same as 99% of Ducati owners haha 😂
The headlights of the Yam really don't work for me. Great though the Beemer is, I'd go for the Ducati (UK prices!).
The S1000R is the best of the 3. But here's there issue: $$$. They are insanely expensive in the States. Worth it, but expensive.
Tyler Rue Harleys cn get way more expensive than bmw and have half of the electronics
tom martin I'm pretty anti-Harley anyway. They're not good bikes, they're loud and obnoxious, and they cost way to damn much.
Not to mention the looks of the S1000R beautiful
Ducati is pretty sexy too. ;
I've had all 3. S1k is the quickest and best handling, MT-10 is the most fun. Monster felt dull and drank oil.
There I said it.
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Ari what were you using for on-helmet camera in this video?
The walk-around bits in the beginning where all jelly-fished, like if you used a really bad implementation of digital stabilization combined with horrid rolling shutter, or the floating element of the camera's optical stabilization (if it has one) has gone out of whack.
A friend of mine used to own a brand new BM, he is a garage mechanic, his gripe was starting the bike from cold, so much so that he returned the bike to BMW complaining there was a fault, basically when starting the bike from cold he said it sounded like a bag of nails, and being a mechanic felt this was not right, BMWs response was that this was normal? Suffice to say he sold the bike shortly after that!!
I need to make a correction for you guys. the m
Monster is not the original naked sports bike. Anyone remember the Honda Nighhaws from the 80s
The Aprilla Tuono Factory is the best supernaked by far !
Its faster, but i dont think you can beat an r1 engine and frame as far as feel, and confidence inspiring.
in vitro youtube baby agreed and twice the cost for Tuono Factory! I paid $9,200 for my FZ10 out the door new (got a steal) Tuono Factory out the door with dealer fees and taxes is over $20,000. Yikes
Well a good comparison but with the whole naked sport bike thing busting wide open the past few years there are a lot missing from this. Z1000, gsx-1000, tuono v4, Speed Triple R, Superduke 1200 R, a lot of bikes in the area. I guess you can't have everything though, nice video anyway.
The fact that the BMW is cheaper then MT is just crazy to me. Here in Middle East, the MT is about 40%- 50% cheaper then the BMW. If it was the other way around, nobody would even look at this Yamaha. Both are great but BMW is just a higher level bike.
Old video but still worth a comment, the points raised about the BMW being great round a track.... me personally want a bike for fast A and B roads so a compliant suspension is high on my list before out right performance. So its the MT10 for me as a clear winner.
Low maintenance cost on the MT is the biggest reason for me. @ 1000.00 for a valve adjustment the Ducati is just too much and reliability on the Monster is third place here too.
@@bailey9r £1k? If you're lucky and know a good independent perhaps...
they compared these two modern machines to a monster instead of something like the tuono?
If i have a lot of money i will buy s1000rr for race track and aggressive riding and mt-10 for relax and comfort rider.
In America the mt10 is super cheap and comes with a great after market capabilities. Mt10 is a win in my book.
On the dyno , the Mt-10 is lacking +- 20 bhp , I wonder if u feel it on the road ? I have a 2017 s1000r atm want to change to Mt-10 but afraid I will miss those 20 extra bhp
Just out of curiosity, may I ask why do you want to change?
@@Stananalol I love the crossplane engine sound/experience , rode a R1 and loved it :)
How come the other chuckle brother couldn't make it ?
I Love The BMW SR1000 Motorbike!
How come home made vlogs have a better sound while riding than you guys?
I'm still in love with my ZRX. It's the best looking UJM out there. Why doesn't Kawasaki come out with another hyper naked version? Maybe add 200cc to the Z1000?
Zuma can't pronounce that number, Brilliant !!!
In what crazy world is the BMW option EVER the cheapest?? Lol, not even in Germany is that true. MT-10/FZ-10is the cheapest virtually everywhere else in the world and I'd say that huge savings makes it the most viable option for the most people. Even MCN agrees with numerous cross-Europe tests comparisons and think the Ducati isn't even in the running for the top 4. It IS striking, however.
You can't have a naked bike shootout without the tuono.
Then you start up an Aprilia V4 and everything just melts away 🤤
Ouch the MT is an 11 grand bike in the UK. Shes a big bump in price for you guys.
BMW is the love child of Megatron and the T800
I own a Yamaha a 2019 xsr900 and waiting for the 2021 mt10 to arive so I can ungrade.....great video ty
WHY DO I HAVE TO WATCH THE ADVERT AND CAN NOT SKIP IT.
I never knew James Corden was a biker.
Nah, Corden is a total bellend.
So... tell us about how they did on the streets. They’re street bikes, around town, country lanes, freeway/motorway. What’s the point in this review at all?
faster than the super duke
That's a bold statement
What is the curency "R"???
Mt10 all the way. More character than the bmw, cheaper here in the uk by a long way (£10,800) and more reliable than the ducati. Ducati make excellent riding bikes but there's a reason that few keep them past 10k miles...the elephant in the room that no bike journo wilk talk about. Having ridden the MT10...to hear someone say it has little torque is laughable...there's plenty from any gear at any revs past 3k...what's more it is smoother than either of the others and more accessible.
The one drawback of the Yamaha is the tank range and appalling fuel consumption. I emptied a full tank on a test ride! It needs 5 litres more than it has to be practical so where does that leave things?
Just my humble opinion but if you want a fast, fun, characterful and practical naked bike go out and buy the bmw r1250 naked instead or the r1200gs or 1250gs. Both have it nailed as a real world blend of ideal power for the road (in the real world and not on track), practicality, character, reliability, handling and build quality. They have it all. I also loved the KTM 990 smt and such a shame ktm drifted from such a real world practical all rounder to the silly tall silly expensive vibey machines they now produce without the reliability of the smt.
Of those in the test I'd take the MT10. A bike without character is dull nomatter how good it is on track and a bike that costs a fortune to service and look after like the Ducati is just a wealthy person's plaything.
I have an MT10 and a M1200. Any questions welcomed ;-)
I am just startled with the MT10 price. Most of the world the MT10 is cheaper than the BMW and Ducati
still best bike show on youtube
S1000r more sporty and faster then Mt 10🤙🔥
Yamaha is cheaper than BMW in the USA, no way in hell I'd buy the FZ if the BMW was cheaper.
Do a road test of this...
and now we know where they got the idea for how the new Sonic the Hedgehog looks
With my experience with friends' BMW's and exorbitant rate that the bmw dealership (stealership) charges for basically anything keeps me with yamaha. Just picked up a blue '18 mt10 with 1k mi on it for $9700 here in the USA. That's a bargain but I'll need all that extra cash just to buy gas for the pig. I have a new gen mt09 too that has very few miles too. One has got to go.......
I always wait after the break. And nothing
Best show on the net
I love mt10!!! It looks like transformer!
How has 3 year's made better much refined these street fighters the 2020 KTM 1290 Super Duke R is got be best street going.
Donovan, you say even without the super duke you'd still choose better bikes than these. I've got to know what you mean by that! Tell us which super nakeds you'd choose
Where's the Tuono???
where is tuono????
Why isn't the Tuono in here!!!
the mt 10 of the Japanese bikes is awesome, but the Suzuki gsx-s 1000 is best bang for the buck, and I just love the bmw
i should say that I live in the US, and the Suzuki is just sooo much less than the rest, I wish the BMW was more affordable where I am cuz it is so awesome though
Yeah I agree, the Suzuki really doesn't seem the far off in quality for how much cheaper it is. The GSXS1000 is towards the end of my list, but it's probably the one I would buy.
speaking from personal experience, I totally disagree with the statement that the S1000r is lacking character. It has plenty of character, just a different type than the Ducati's, Harleys, etc.....
what country is this?
The Monster 1200 won't even beat the outgoing Ducati Streetfighter around a track. Ducati, you've let me down. Save yourself the time and get the SuperDuke or the Tuono.
Streetfighter is more track focused so duh
@@petersajkic6749 Way to miss the point. The old 1098 street fighter engine was ancient by the time that 1200 monster was new 4 years ago, and it has another 100cc. So duh.
@@exnihilo415 true but not really a comparison.and anyone would prefer a tuono
@@petersajkic6749 Which is what I said, originally.
MT10 of curse!!
great vid!
MT 10 any day
In PH, MT10 is the cheapest and the wildest. In PH.🤷🏻♂️
Yamaha the best looking, bmw looks like engineers were not sure which head light better, owner drive it like he installed the wrong headlight lol, that what any 1 sees the bmw the first time feels, wtf wrong head lights.
can someone explain why the yamaha is that expensive in south africa? its the cheapest where i life by a LONG way!!
Import tax. our lovely government is milking us dry
why more tax for japanese?
My beautiful and amazing mistress yea south africa is fucked with this governmemt
Sad thing is you will never hear this in the mainstream press here in europe. They are too busy writing hate articles about putin
USA the GSX-S1000 is the least expensive by about 2 thousand dollars.
bmw's brake reservoir is wiggling maybe because of the nut was out 2.00
drag race or 1/4 mile please
6.25. Such poor journalism. Someone forgot to tell this man that the most has a rear seat cowl, take it off, and it has a much larger rear seat than the MT10...
Why was there no tuono v4 1100 factory here? Seems like most agree that's the greatest Supernaked track weapon? Was shocked in a European show to not see it?
Also, I was gonna say an MT10 is cheaper than a Monster R????? I bought mine new in the US at the launch over the tuono v4 1100 factory and superduke R becaue those two , while epic supernakeds are $18,000 here and you can't find a monster R to even debate that one. The FZ10 (MT10 ) has a suggested US retail of $13,000 US ,.. $5,000 LESS than the other two , here's the thing, the Supernaked market is growing here and the fastest growing sales class (nakeds in general) at that BUT becaue it was a first year and some dealers bought so many a few dumped them to keep their allotment high from Yamaha . I got mine new 0 miles , full warranty, NO DEALER fees of ANY kind! Saving about $900 alone but the best part, the dealer ordered 3 black MT10s and NINE grey and yellow thinking they'd sell fast. For some reason I was one of the few here that understood what a naked R1 would be comming from a 2015 R1 prior, how could it go wrong, the ONLY Japanese Supernaked , crossplane 4 front he R1 and all the electronics and parts of the R1 , somehow most MY countrymen missed the memo , this dealer In California had 2 of the 9 listed for $9,200 OT THE DOOR!! No fees, $3,800 LESS THAN MSRP!!! That's MT10 pricing there!!! So technically , I got my new 0 mile MT10 for $8,800 LESS THAN THE OTHER TEO SUPERNAKEDS!! Literally half price ! Deal of my life for sure! That alone made it worth it! While I LOVE THE SDR and the tuono, I could not justify paying double when the MT10 has the R1 crossplane 4 , which when decatted sounds very close to the aprilia v4 (greatest sound on Earth) it's performance specs are nearly identicle to the double priced other two, even better in some tests; like 0-60 mph which for a naked is it's purpose lol the MT10 has THE FASTEST 0-60mph of ANY production motorcycle on earth, ever! 2.4 seconds! Exotic hypercar time! All of this and all the bells and whistles for half the price along with Yamaha reliability, cheapest brand to maintain , service and availability of parts is amamzing not to mention. Dealer on every corner here. Where as aprilia doesn't have a dealer within 1,200 miles of me and obviously aren't known for reliability or cheap repairs and service so while it was up here as a favorite, didn't make sense. Oh and I don't like the tail at all on the base tuono, the rsv tail on the factory his the only way to go, wish the MT10 would have done the R1 tail likewise, the factory also has the best components on earth as well . For me and my poor mans wallet , my skill level couldn't get any more out of the SDR or tuono at a track to make it worth twice the price. And if you're worried about the 15 less hp, (even tho the MT10 is the quickest on earth) reflash the ecu and decat it totaling $400 and your over those hp numbers. Had it 2 years and of the 13 bikes I've owned , all supersports , my first supernaked was by far my favorite and I'm quicker around the track on it than my R1, a personal problem I'm sure. But wheelies for days! Powerup in 1-5th! Yeah! Must say I'm so jealous of the rest of the world getting the SP! The tuono Factory version of the MT10, I'd die for one!
where's the beast?
The guy on the Duke was leaning like Marquez in a GP but doing road speeds....... despite what you think, you don't look cool.
Edit: jeez, they all do.
As commented at 8:48 on prices - similarly to USA & Europe in Australia the MT-10 is 20% cheaper than S1000R and 25% cheaper than the Monster 1200R. The MT10 can now be got in April 2017 new for AUD$18,600; and the MT10 SP for AUD$21,600.
tuono is the ultimate naked bike.
Not knowing where BMW is making their parts and their having some of the LOWEST scores among new owners as far as major repairs in the first 4 years of ownership removes them from consideration regardless of all the advertising or fanboys. I'll take a very well made Japanese bike any day of the week. You will never use the extra HP.