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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- This customer asked us to install lights in his loft after scratching his hair at why his DIY attempt didn’t work. This is surprisingly a very common call out we get too !
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Refreshing to hear your views on people doing DIY, there are so many RUclips sparks out there who'll dump on people for doing even the most simple jobs themselves or label any bad work as "DIY" even if they have no evidence that it is. Obviously a lot of people probably shouldn't be touching things themselves but there are also DIYers out there who (as someone else said) know their limits and ensure they have sufficient knowledge before they do work themselves. Personally I'm a DIYer and while I won't go undertaking super complicated work, I'll happily do simple jobs myself having spent an unhealthy amount of time reading up on the relevant regulations before starting. I even picked up a second hand MFT just so I can do basic tests to reassure myself that everything is as it should be. For me it's not about saving money, it's because I genuinely find it enjoyable and interesting work.
I know exactly what you mean, because I too like to have a go at anything in my own house too, and like you, it’s not to save money, it’s to learn. In fact most of the time I’ll spend more money buying the right tools to do it myself than I would paying a professional to do it for me.
and I’ve seen plenty of work done by professional electricians that was disgraceful, and also plenty of DIY that was pretty bloody good.
Of course I’ve seen really bad DIY too, it’s clearly not for everybody don’t get me wrong. but I’d say the worst electrical work I’ve seen has been done by registered electricians…. Just look for my pub video 👀😂
I totally agree. I'm not a sparky by profession (far from it actually) but goodness me, I just sometimes love doing things with my own two hands and having it all work for me. I'd be lying if I said I didn't like saving money for carrying out the most basic of tasks, but it does help. Not only that, the learning aspect gives me a sense of having achieved something.
Previously, I'd always ask my dad (retired builder) to help me do the basic of things around the house, but unfortunately something always got in the way of his schedule, so I learnt to do things on my own, including: wiring lights in my loft, fully CAT6-ing my entire house on my own to spec, and installing smart switches throughout the house. My next task is wiring a Google NEST Protect alarm in my garage correctly. I'm also fully aware of my limits as well, and anything larger, I'd definitely call the professionals in.
Seeing you in that loft with all that insulation made me feel itchy. Good video Sean. Keep it going.
Haha thanks mate
M8, glad I'm not the only one working in lofts at the moment. Why no outside work eh, when it's hot!
Anyway did I really see what I think I saw... extractor venting into the loft... seriously! And you did not mention it. 😂
BTW... guessed the RCBO/RCD trip... too common these days but gives you something to do eh.
Thanks for sharing and for the laugh.... peace ✌
I did notice and mention it between me and Ryan 😂
Nice video.
Love the Quickwire stuff too but think they need to do a switch and load for a 3 core in the switch side (L, SL, N &E) so you can take the neutral to the switch for smart switches.
Good idea 👏🏼
Very true when you say people should have a go with a bit of DIY professional help isn’t cheap but it’s around the corner... if your going to work on a circuit or do some DIY isolation is key 🔐 same as if your about to add a outdoor water pipe isolate the water first isolation is a must in everything your about to do and it doesn’t hurt to give something a go and if it goes right well done if not call the masters in and they’ll tell you you shouldn’t be messing with things like this hit it on the chin and ask them where you went wrong 😂
well you definitely worded it better than me 👏🏼😄
Great job, rather you than me in a loft full of insulation, plus free sauna as a bonus. Keep up the good work.
Cheers David 👌🏼
You can see all the loft insulations fibres floating around where they catch the light; you're breathing these in. I know you're not up for a long time but promise me you'll wear a mask next time and I'll subscribe. Great job. I like the quickwire splitter.
Appreciate your concern and I do wear one 90% of the time for a loft, otherwise it ruins my chest for days!
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@@s.wilson5675 thank you mate!
As a handyman I think people touching electrics doing DIY need to have had experience with rewires, board changes, lights, sockets and testing. I've done all the with my father an NICEIC electrical contractor, which gives me the knowledge and experience. Having a go without this experience would make me nervous, and I've seen some really poor and dangerous attempts! Lucky enough this was only a small job. 👌👍
Yea I think you’ve got to be comfortable with it etc tbh
@@Cablesmith hopefully the modern age will research prior. Great video as always mate
As always Sean and Ryan great job those quick connectors look good need a version to use for smart switches. One thing I really hate is cables not clipped in lofts, and attics it just so much nicer when it’s done , and avoids damages to cables. In USA we can have them going on top of joists (and not just the side of joists) if they do we have to have furring strips. Basically furring strips are pieces of softer wood nailed and screwed to the top of the joist creating a rise on the joist with the cable neatly clipped in between them reducing potential for mechanical damage from walking on them.
too many lofts work here is just lashed anywhere tbh
@@Cablesmith I saw Nick once use cable tray overkill in a residential roof void space but looked beautiful and will probably work for decades to come.
@@mathman0101 yea, a nice touch indeed
Great install guys and some nice innovative products ~ plus a free sauna ~ what more could you ask for 🥵
A fan would have been nice 😂😂 thanks mate
I've got to 2:03 and I too think something's tripped. Have to say, I'm not a sparky, but I'd check my consumer unit first... Eager to find out what's causing it so back to the vid...
You made me curious to find out too 😀 had to watch it again myself to remind me 😂
Absolutely ok for DIYers with common sense to have a go at this... Knowing your limitations is important and it's clear that your client did.
Part P allows extensions to existing circuits as a DIY thing still (non notifiable) but the person does need to be competent. The only other issue is that insurers often have rules that go beyond the legal requirements.
yea insurance could hold people back, and like you said know your limitations.
Lighting is tempting as a DIYer since changing light bulbs is a regular thing and leads to temptation to go further... however the pitfalls are there... ceiling rose and multiple way wiring isn't obvious... and the fact you can trip the RCD even when the MCB is off is confusing.
This is true mate 👌🏼
Jolly good how lads, when I install loft lights, I always stick a small neon indicator in the landing ceiling so the client can see if the light has been left on by mistake.
What an amazing idea that is 👏🏼
Sean to the rescue 👌
Only coz you live too far away 😝😂
Should the customer of got you in Sean mmm it's a tough one 😆😆 yes because you and Ryan have done a top job as always and the job is safe. Neighbour asked me to check the wiring on a loft light they had fitted as when the switch was on the loft light and bedroom light bulbs glowed dimly when the loft light was off the bedroom light wouldn't work, they had wired the light across the live and switch wire of the bedroom light thinking it was a feed 🤦♂️
Hahaha it’s quicker to just get an electrician in most of the time isn’t it.
Trying to save money but it costs them in the long run 😆😆 love these products you bring to the channel they are innovative like in other video the linean clips for swa the quick wire splitter, quick wire downlights, nox box to name a few it's stuff I've started using and I'm impressed with it. A lot better than the junk they normally have on the counter at the wholesalers like quick wire swa glands that you put a 25mm swa in and the cable drops out the @rse of it 🤦♂️
@@adierob1 hahaha I know the ones you mean
I'm all for DIY but not electrics or gas.. I have been to so many jobs where they have done DIY jobs and it is extremely rare that the job is done correctly..
i knew my little statement would cause a stir 😂 I’ve seen both as and good diy electrical work tbh, people that are comfortable and take the time to research usually do a good job imo.
@@Cablesmith yeah totally agree I have seen some DIY work where it is beautiful but 90% is dog poop. Get an electrician in but watch him and ask questions, next time you can do it yourself..
I'm going for loose connection
Edit 🤣🤣 it was just the rcd, it's easy for me to say being a spark but shorly seeing a switch in the off position would make you think but we're all different and I'm shore I'd struggle to do his job. You live and learn
You’d be surprised how many call outs I get for circuits not working and they say all the switches are on still. Then you look and the RCD is off 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@Cablesmith 🤣🤣 lol same here or they find a spur and switch off then when that circuit doesn't work they call us, yes it's a simple fix but how do you charge for walking into a house and turning a switch back on. Also it wasn't them that touched it... but they live alone... must be there local ghost playing tricks on them 🤷♂️🤦♂️. The most annoying is when they've done work on the house, worked on the electrics mess it up then ring up saying it's randomly stopped working which can waste hours looking for a fault that they know about but don't wanna say anything but then don't like the price put in that would have been less if so much time want wasted looking for it. Honisty is the best policy but hay its good fun investigating and doing detective work on what really happened, the big challenge comes to get that across to the costumer politely as to not offend them. Fun and games 😁. On a side note love your vids and your top quality work, as you will know too many sparks will do things bad, rough or dangerously and there's no excuse for it, thanks for your good, safe service 👌👍
@@lukesmith8792 yep I’ve had some that just be honest and tell you what they’ve done, and then it’s fixed within the hour ! Much better !
And thanks for the kind words Luke 👏🏼
When it comes to DIY I say it depends on the job , adding a spur socket by turning off the mains for a few minutes , or changing a light fixture basic things I find is okay. When it comes to removing the cover for the consumer unit it should be left to the pros showers should not be a DIY job . Should mcbs sales be restricted to the trade to stop consumer unit tamerping . Cheers max 👍
Yes I’ve always said we need some kind of system so only qualified electricians can buy consumer units.
Thanks for watching mate
Great video mate
Thanks matey
Nice one Sean 🙌🏻🙌🏻 keep them coming mate👍👍I would of put a coat on in that loft mate, would of made working abit nicer for you..😆😆
Would have lost 4 stone…. Matter of fact, next time 👌🏼😂
@@Cablesmith 😂😂
Nice video, thanks for sharing
Top video mate 👍
Cheers Dude 👏🏼
Good stuff Sean! Can your camera do this reminds me of the old one with landline phones. "have you heard this sound before?", "What sound?" and then hang up so they get busy tone...
Haha yep that’s where I got the idea from 😂
Good stuff mate, those Quickwire connectors are very nice, I am with you on the innovative.
The single gang surface pattress box you used for the light switch, is that a PVC one? Just wondered how you got the hole in it for the stuffing gland?
The back box come with a 20mm knockout mate.
Thanks for watching
The quick wire splitter looks great. I am going to use it to relocate a light fitting to a new location a couple of joists down in the kitchen. Do I need to secure it with the clips or can I just pop it back into the ceiling where the old light fitting was?
if the quickwire will be inaccessible then ideally it should be secured to be classed as maintenance free, which all inaccessible joints should be.
Great video, but could you explain more what you did wiring the switch at 11:16. It looks like you joined all the earth together and 'bunched' all the neutrals together, but what about the lives? One was the feed and the other two were from the lights, but which terminals do they go into on the switch as you did not show how the switch was wired? Thanks
Yep, the feed went in C or common, and both from the lights went in L1
@@Cablesmith Perfect, switches always get the better of me 😆, thanks
@@Mister_H no problem
I think he's disconnected a ceiling rose and wired up a switch line incorrectly, just connect the same colours together and expect it to work!!
Great stuff fair play, I'm going to have a crack at installing a PIV loft unit at home, can i take a power feed off the lighting circuit in the loft that's running the bedroom below to get some power in the loft to run the PIV loft unit ? The PIV unit come with a 3amp switched fused spur.. if so, can i use the Quickwire spitter for the power feed i'll be plumbing into?
Yes and yes 👌🏼 quickwire is a belting idea for that too.
Mark has just posted a video fitting one, I’ve not watched it yet but if marks doing it the video will be informative 👌🏼 ruclips.net/video/RbCWVJZL9Uc/видео.html
Is it me or was there a bathroom vent exiting into the left behind you at the end of that video... whats that about lol
There is indeed 😂 first time I’ve ever seen that tbh. 🤷🏻♂️
Surely the quickwire has a connector for the switch
What do you mean?
@@Cablesmith feed in , feed out, load, switch
@@smoggydrones5664 ah right, yea some do, the switch and load version. They also do a splitter version that’s just a 4 way JB.
Does your camera do this 🤣 caught me well off guard
Hahaha couldn’t be bothered begging for subs and likes this time 😭😂😂😂
Does he fund eny treasury in that loft😜 or off cut cable’s .. as always nice to sorting dhe mes.good..
Haha 1 wago was the treasure 👌🏼
I'm OK with diy electrics but if you don't know to check fuseboard first and have basic testing equipment don't lol new England USA
Agreed, and thanks for watching mate