Twitch wants more of their streamer's money | Asmongold Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2023
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I like how Twitch will throw the book at smaller creators for accidents while simultaneously defending streamers like Nadia who purposely doxxes a viewer with malicious intent.
It’s because she’s a girl…. Well maybe lol
Because Nadia makes more money for Twitch than the smaller streamers do. Why do you think most rich people partake in the most criminal activity? Because crimes and punishments exist only to keep poor people down
@@Hahayeahyeah It's because she makes more money for the platform. If she was a man, it would be the same. The only thing Twitch cares about is money
@@alskarmode correction, the only thing corporations care about is money. Twitch is not unique in this.
@@alskarmode So that's why they're willing to punish men harder than women for less impactful offenses, even if they make more or similar amount of money?
Thanks for the react asmon.
Just like to say that after thinking about this a bit more I think the biggest problem in this change and where asmon rightly brings up "you can't get your own partnerships" and how this is good because it allows you to get things at the click of a button. I think that is true, but also probably the bigger issue at play.
Realistically, for every 1 sponsor amazon brings on, that's potentially 1 less sponsor that would deal with you or an agent personally. If this was to become the norm for twitch partnerships, I can't see it ever being a good thing for the streamer. No guarantee, but I think by the time we saw the grand master plan it would be a little late to change things and we only have to look at how amazon has done similar things in other markets they dominate over time, such as how they treat their amazon basics. If amazon could subsidize and streamline sponsors for twitch, sure that would look cool short term if you don't want to do the leg work to get them or management yourself, but it would also potentially and imo most likely monopolize the market giving you little to no choice. We all know there's a handful of big games/products that you see everywhere online, it wouldn't take a ton of effort/adoption to make the pool of potential sponsors incredibly small for third party/off platform negotiation. It could actually be amazing for the short/medium term, but my issue is always going to be long term.
Not an immediate problem, but corporations don't usually think in terms of short term and if we do, then by the time we notice it's likely already too late. Not the biggest deal in the world, but worth thinking about for anyone who has too much time on their hands like me. And on top of that, in the long line of issues I think the worst part even ignoring the potential, it's the optics of doing this at a time that all news is bad and kick is banging at the door for the people this might even matter to.
Common Kira W
For conpanies to stop dealing with creators directly would take almost every platform to build the same system as twitch.. If they have to keep staff for youtube deals anyway, they may aswell let them negotiate twitch deals, same shit.
But it could eventually happen, Bezos aint no amateur.
Most of what you're saying here is based on speculation that Twitch are acting in bad faith. This could be the case but until we see this happen when this policy is put into practice, nothing really stands out as being shady at this time.
I can see that becoming an issue for streamers with an average views of 500+. Generally speaking, it doesn't make much sense currently for most companies to deal streamers who are smaller than that, and agencies wouldn't spend the time to rep them for companies.
However, the vast majority of twitch partners have no access to these resources and sources of secondary income. This change would immediately allow them to make significantly more money. Is 50% a lot? Sure, but 100% of 0 is 0.
There is still value to companies for larger creators with audiences who know, like, and trust them. They may even still get a higher ROI going with bespoke content. Also, there are many companies who may not have the funds to market to streamers with large audiences who may ask for upwards of six figures for a single stream. This seems like it would add more to the total market value of sponsorships than take away.
At the end of the day, Twitch faces 2 large problems: They don't make enough money as a business unit to remain profitable and their ads cannibalize their live content ecosystem which directly discourages viewers from finding new content sources. This may be something that helps Twitch remain competitive and become profitable, but only time will tell on that.
Give Kira his heart god damn it,Also Kira where mmos videos 👀lol
Can we just appreciate how much effort twitch puts into making terrible policies.
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And thats why for more than a year I've been watching currated Asmon content on Vanced youtube app rather than Twitch without any adds or other bloatware like that :))))
It's unfortunate vanced is dead
@@brucealmighty5881 lmao its not
Watching this on vanced right now lol
@@Faitzer you can still use it but it's not being supported anymore. You can look it up. They said itll probably seize functioning in a few years
I know it's a meme but seeing how violently asmongold defends any amazon product, from lost ark to new world to twitch I'm starting to go tin foil
Twitch started out a fun and interactive streaming service mainly for gamers, then letting borderline content that shouldn't be shown on the service, in my opinion, ruined the service. And now Twitch wants to take more and more from the very people that made their platform successful and popular and its the smaller creator's now that are getting shafted. Now I just hope people move to better options then twitch, they don't deserve the people that made them.
I really hope he played an ad right after he said "and also you don't see a bunch of ads." lol
This reminds me of that Black mirror episode with the guy and the shank.. I don't know why ..it just does (it's the one where you save up points to get on a talent show)
Rip twitch =)
No one stays at the top forever.
I honestly loved the website when it was Justin. But that was back when it was 90 percent people just streaming random TV shows and movies nonstop. It was beautiful. Then they became legit and people couldn't just stream family guy 247 anymore. It was sad.
"all you have to do is click and get money" for the smaller/new streamers i could see this having value esp as they might normally miss out on sponsors and the loss that twitch takes would be a gain either way but for anyone else larger its a massive loss and they would have their own systems in place to get sponsors.
its been months since i opened twitch, last time tried to watch a streamer add pop out first and close that shit. Now im here in youtube.
it's impressive that they will just slap streamers over and over with their sweaty meat and just get away with it forever because its just them and google who own the entire livestreaming industry. i cant wait until we go full shadowrun where the companies overtly own their own countries
That tide is turning. Kick is growing, Rumble is growing. People are fed up with the bullshit
27:57 honestly soul shattering to hear that
Asmon is the goat for propping up Kick as competitive after noting that would be his alternative platform if he left Twitch. They say dont shit where you sit, but they dont tell you enough to coom where you want a room
If they opened this up to affiliates i would be so happy. Yea, 50/50 is a lot, but honestly, if it opened to affiliate, I would seriously check it out, and use it when it's games/offers I'm interested in..
Kick looks good. Hope it works out.
those sub codes would be 50% + what they paid for those codes tho, and not all codes will be redeemed probably
I stream for fun occasionally to a whopping 2 viewers but I’ve thought about swapping to kick because I play wow and sometimes someone will randomly say prohibited words and even if I ignore them, kick them, yell at them whatever I have to wonder if I’m gonna get banned because of something out of my control.
Kick has one major issue going forward, sustainability. It's still in the red as far as cost, and will need to figure out how to get some type of revenue, wether it be Ad revenue, or not. It will end up the Twitch route unless they can figure out something better. People can say, oh they have Stake. But eventually loss leaders need to make revenue. Asmon has some off base thoughts that aren't even close to being correct.
Twitch streamers pull in six figures and sometimes seven figures. I ain't crying for them.
Its a good thing. Its just that twitch the corporate checks the ads that is appropriate for this and they get 50%. The other way is that you procure your own sponsors and you get 70-90% cuz of management fees.
I think a smaller streamer getting 50 or 100 gifted subs would be huge for audience retention. I would get less money now for more and longer viewership. I would also be more inclined to sub to a streamer who decided to take less money from sponsors so the viewers don't have to watch ads, but ultimately the money they made was more than adsense. This is definitely better for chatters and definitely better for up and comings to retain the audience.
I deleted my Twitch a few months back because of how ridiculous they got with the ads.
I just downloaded kik and didn't see not one person streaming games
I'm a simple man. I see an ad, I'm outta here.
Typical individual mindset versus growing business. Individuals want as much money in as short timeframe as possible. Twitch wants world domination. I rather get 10% from 1 million deals versus 50% of 100k. But that takes time ofc. and current wave has to build for future. Only works with trust / time and selflessness. (Still no guarantee for a payoff after so most will opt for their own wallet short term. Especially since they dont control the business)
Weren't we promised that sponsorship messages in videos were only a short term solution to the advertising boycott... which has ended
I recall RUclips saying it would not become the new normal and it would go away once the advertisers came back. Unsure what twitch had said about it but they had a similar situation.
I love asmond for his honesty
I can only watch asmon content on RUclips for a couple months until i have to take a break and come back in half a year. ..and now is time for my break.
lowkey getting major repetitive
we sure he didn't already replace himself with an AI for the livestream?
@@MrTokyoJunkie lol,ya it just gets to boring of the same im right and everyone else is wrong narrative.
Let’s be real. If Train wasn’t involved with kick, Asmon wouldn’t care.
Most people have no idea how difficult it is to get clients/sponsorships. How many small producers sign bad contracts that leave them with nothing like the music industry because they have no idea what they are signing. Doing nothing to make 50%? Sign me up.
The bounty board is kinda dumb. Let's make a hypothetical scenario. There is a $10K sponsor. Traditionally twitch gets 5k and the streamer gets 5k. Well why not cut the middle man out. Offer the sponsor to pay you 8k for the sponsorship. You make more money and the sponsor pays less overall. Easy clap, everyone's happy.
Except for twitch of course but I mean they only care about you as a money machine to milk so who cares about them
Thank you for this, I just started out streaming and it can feel a bit overwhelming especially when you are below 50 subs and you try to grow naturally.
Literally all twitch has to do is offer a no ad subscription and twitch would thrive. It’s the one thing preventing most from using their platform. Nobody wants to watch 7 ads every time they change the channel. That’s the very least
The idea that bits/subs could be used in place of real money that could enter the streamer's pocket pretty quickly, that is then introduced into Twitch's system, potentially MORE money is taken via the 50/50 split, and on top of that, the streamer has to wait till "payday" from Twitch.
This sounds very much like a way for Twitch to make money, then have money for (bits, subs, etc) streamer's flow thru Twitch AGAIN, maybe giving the illusion of more money, potentially double, flowing thru the company, and people can look at these numbers and feel good at a director's meeting, then ask, "Now how can we chip away at that last 50%?"
Cause I'll never give a company, the government, or a drug dealer the benefit of the doubt. Ever. They are there to make money and potentially relationships that lead to more/more stable, money.
I don't get on twitch too often. But the other day I wanted to watch an overwatch stream. The first 3 streams I clicked on all had ads at the start. After the 3rd stream, I closed twitch and kept watching RUclips. Not wasting my time.
thats why everyone from Twitch moves to RUclips
I pay for Twitch Turbo because I hate ads. My biggest fear is content streaming will go in the same direction as tv/move streaming, where we first all started with Netflix and was okay to pay for that, but then now we have Apple, Prime, Disney etc.. and its either pay for all these services or miss out. I don't want to have to pay for Twitch, Kick, YT etc... just so I can avoid those dam ads.
Ad block.
@@HomeSliceOfWhiteBread Doesnt seem to work anymore
How do we know that Kick is doing well? Are referring to their numbers ($) or because more streamers move over there? How do we know that Kick is actually being sustainable with their generous split? What if it was just injected with a lot of money from Stake and when they “beat” twitch, they become Twitch.
of course they do
April 2023, my adblock still works
There is not one single twitch streamer I’d watch 10 min of adds for, not even Asmon
That's why I use Samsung internet with ad blocker on my phone
Just gonna say I tuned into kick and the stream of the people running it, they look like the people who started twitch
Work better lol aka we reduced your pay so you have incentive to do what we want
One Thing that Asmon is wrong, is that Kick is the first one pulling away streamers by its own without paying. Remember XFire ? They had streaming aswell and it was descent. People moved from XFire to Twitch cuz you couldnt earn money outside of Advertisementstreams and the tools to manage the Stream where better.
Little late with this comment but I wanted to make it regardless. I've been wanting to start streaming but with how twitch has been going recently, I haven't felt like I could due to a number of different reasons. I had no idea Kick existed before watching this video but after looking through it for a little bit, it looks infinitely more appealing then twitch. Most likely will start my stream there and see how it goes.
Honestly, I have a decent job, pays all my bills and my family don't want for anything - but I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination. It's not worth the risk to me and my family for me to pack in my job to stream, which probably wouldn't work out. But this deal, does make me consider trying streaming out on a part time basis, as the reality of getting money out of streaming seems far more attainable.
I'm thinking the same mate
to add to asmon, that ad program provides the streamer with guaranteed subs. for someone who wants to break into streaming that could be a godsend. you now know you have this many subs, plus what viewers sub.
Is twitch's new system just a full roll out of the bounty system they have?
i haven't been on twitch in a while, not planning on going back to it.
Don’t blame you
Mo Money Mo Problems
ima just go back to cable at this point more ads on twitch then regular tv
Regular TV does 16-20 minutes of ads per hour. Or you have to pay subscription fee for the channel. Sometimes you even have to do both.
@@Temperans regular tv with a ip box basically the same price as a twitch sub with no ads at all lol
@@saynotop2w LOL thats uuu
@@strkid00 regular TV (aka public) is just bad. Regular TV (cable/satellite) costs hundred of dollars and still has ads. Anything else is not "regular TV", has an alternate way to monetize (ex selling your data), or just has bad programming.
Honestly if I didn't get twitch turbo, I'd probably only watch the channels I have a sub to as the ads are ridiculous.
I switched from viewing Asmon on Twitch to viewing him on RUclips as videos because youtube ads are blocked by my addons, but Twitch ones are often not...
Asmon said it best, as a viewer even I am moving platforms simply because I don't like twitch since I am getting less. I'm not watching people on Kick or whatever, but I have entirely thrown away my Twitch login and only watch streamers on RUclips now.
"Why would a viewer go to Kick?"
To avoid ads and censorship are probably the two biggest reasons, as Asmon said, but there is one more I would include.
Knowing you aren't giving $2.50 of your hard-earned money to Twitch just to give $2.50 to your favorite streamer.
It may shock some people who don't sub to anyone, but many people sub to people's Patreon/Twitch/RUclips, etc. for no other reason than to support their favorite content creators. More surprisingly, those that *do* sub for the badges/extra content/etc. *also* want to support the creators. If you can get the same bonus content for $5.00 on two different sites; one site gives $2.50 of that $5.00 to the creator you paid for it, but another site gives them $4.50 of that same $5.00; which one would you rather give your money to? If Kick gives you little logos next to your name for subbing like Twitch does, why not give the content creator more money at no additional cost to you?
I like how everyone is freaking out about 10 minutes of ads per hour, ever watch cable? Guess that's why it died too
The amount of ads that are played on Twitch is a massive indicator of their greed. I stopped watching live streams about a year ago because of this. That and I wasn't a fan of the fact that there's basically porn happening on a gaming website
Rather give my money to stake than fuckin amazon
"its there so you cant adblock". Huh... well we'll see, give it time.
What is Twitch then makes an exclusive deal with some big sponsor?
I absolutely REFUSE to even try to checkout a streamer that's new to me due to the ads. I sub to those I like and keep it at that.
That moment you realise that steak is a company not a piece of meat 😅 it’s probably harder than I imagine but click button and get money sounds easy enough
2:02 rofl Montserrat then?
Twitch is a brand that's easy to remember and when new games and popular streamers streams it's hard to avoid unless the streamers themselves do something about it. streamers should act on this to move us over with them
I propose a catchy alternative named Jerk
Sorry just woke up 😆
Thank you
Kick is to twitch what Rumble is to RUclips.
They getting paid in a indirect currency thats bad
And then streamers mock those easy sponsors' product and twitch will have to censor their content.
Clicked faster than Zach’s hair falling out.
Twitch at Q2:
Why are people opting out of the partner program?
We all need to push back on our institutions that feel like they need to take a larger cut. We deserve to be paid fairly. Not whats the best for the heads of a company. Let them sweat. That or we just all walk. Push for fairness and equity among those struggling. You’re allowed to walk away if you feel disrespected.
@@mrbubbles6468 Why would users need to pay for the upkeep of a site that’s monetized through ad revenue?
"unsustainable" as if gambling wasn't one of the original hustles of mankind
2.50$ per sub on twitch kick 5.39$ even if you cut your sub count by 30% you still are winning
@@saynotop2w saw one on there today with 17.4k views and kept going up multiple people are past that mark I was on for a few hours to see myself and I had 2 my first stream on kick so honestly not too terrible
Twitch truly the best at making the worst possible decisions imaginable right next to Twitter it’s impressive
I think Asmond said it himself when the new changes were announced. I think he's gonna look like an idiot for defending this stuff when it gets fully rolled out and implemented in such a way that streamers do in fact make less money than they would otherwise. Especially the smaller streamers. All twitch has done is provide sponsors a way to avoid paying streamers directly so that twitch gets a cut and the streamers get less overall.
If you're able to buy Marketshare, it'll always pay for itself, and is worth every penny put into it.
what's is kiki? link?
money
Twitch and YT advertising system is beyond annoying and stopid 😴
The other thing about this whole shebang, after Twitch, your agent or rep company (if you have one) takes their cut, guess who is next! Uncle Sam!
So between all of this you're effectively having 70-85% of your income stripped from you depending on your income level.
Now, your agent, and twitch, are providing some service to you, but i think twitch's argument that they deserve half off the top is abjectly fucking absurd.
A lot of points he made seem to forget one major thing. The Viewer experience and retention. You can make money as a streamer, but how many people just leave during adds or add reads?
You need ads and ad reads to make the money, or go the VTuber route and effective become your own sponsor.
Saying "ads is bad" is also saying "streamers should not get paid".
@@Temperans its not ads bad. Imo it's more like a necessary evil. However it does get to a point where it's ridiculous
@@somestranger1101 I was responding to the part about people leaving during ads. Those people think ads are bad even if its something the streamer themselves chose to do.
People who don't like what twitch is doing have no business sense ' it's all pretty standard. Look at sports stars and look up their agents! They are just as rich as the people they represent because they will take 50 % of all of the money they get through sponsorships . Plus it helps smaller steamers get sponsored and get more recognition.
If the streamer's i watch move to another platform i will 100% still watch them on the new platform. I really dont care about the platform i watch my favorite streamers on as long as addblocker still works.
эх мистер Asmongold у нас в России вообще всю монетизацию Ютуба отрубили, не денег не дохода, так что, а про твич я вообще молчу.
How does a streamer even get a PR team?
Kick is for NA streamers who cant make it on facebook gaming
I have always supported twitch but def a new manegement running the hole thing
in my opinion this is a good idea from twitch but the split is way too big for this :(
They were foolish to ever give these would-be-walmart-employees as big a cut as they did to begin with. They're no talents. They would have taken almost anything. This is just a case of no talent lightweights getting a little too big for their own britches and forgetting who runs this place. Think about how disposable all these c l o w n s are. They're ultimately nothing but wimpy ads for games and gambling. Dime a dozen. Millions of disposable people that can be replaced instantly.
im very much so a creature of habit that would just a soon stop watching a creator that moves to another platform that is not on my daily-use platforms (YT and twitch)
I wanna know how W it would be if YT offered 90/10%.
YT? Has all the money the issue is in how they use it.
This is why we need a pirate party in every government. To at least get a small difference in favor of the viewer. The companies are getting way too greedy and the streamers can't do shit about it.
Streamers will basically have more less money
Wow, I just started playing warcraft to start the road to world of warcraft too. I'll never be able to make enough money to save my mom with cancer
I checked Kick for the first time after watching this video.
Mixer hit over 70k concurrent viewers.
more ads - worse product
as someone who has been on twitch from 2015 I feel no loyalty, granted I do not stream I just watch streamers.
True. Most users don’t care about ToS. XD