This is getting ugly for Winnipeg
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2024
- We have gotten some pretty big news regard some top NHL prospects over the past 24 hours, in this video we go everything you need to know. If you guys enjoy this type of NHL content be sure to subscribe to the channel if you are new!
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Why are we so bad at letting our prospects play in the nhl, it makes no sense for us in Winnipeg
No one but Chevy knows. He feels they need to earn the right to play (they do) but then he refuses to give then that chance
There's too much of a buddy system in winnipeg, and only getting rid of Wheeler didn't solve it. Stop being all about Scheifele and Connor and actually give prospects a push. The fact that Chevy has never been fired is ridiculous. The fact that only one head coach has been fired in winnipeg is ridiculous. The fact that when they hire a coach, it seems like it someone with a manitoba connection or has been with the jets before, etc, is ridiculous.
The jets need to hire someone new for the hockey operations and actually be a hockey team and business, not a buddy system.
That’s just an excuse. He seems like an arrogant person. Probably never intended on playing for them.
@@Kwolf1this isnt the first time this has happened for winnipeg. Dont be stupid
@@jred1817 what do you mean? Tell me how it makes sense that he’s mad at the Jets for not letting him sign n play last season while also deciding to go back for College for another year. It’s just an excuse for saying “yeah, i don’t want to live in Winnipeg”.
I’m gonna say it.
I have more faith in Russians coming to the NHL to play for the team that drafted them than NCAA players.
Some of these young NA players are spoiled brats.
lol right.... Not the mismanagement of prospects.. Scratching Cole Perfetti 4 straight games in the playoffs. Adam Lowrie getting more TOI than Nick Ehlers.. Yeah its the North American spoiled arse kids. Not the underlying situations. Cutter was the same Philly wanted him to cook a couple more years instead of signed Cutter when he was ready if not draft year then draft +1. They werent so he asked out. You clowns that want people to be loyal no matter what instead of doing what is best for them.
I’d disagree they’re spoiled. It has nothing to do with the skaters.
The rules are different.
KHL rights and the mechanism to void them are different than NCAA rules are different than CHL rules and it’s agreement with the NHL.
The result of the draft pick process is based on those rules being different.
For example:
NCAA skaters get name and likeness and cannot be both professional and collegiate athlete.
CHL can sign right away, get a small stipend.
KHL contracts cannot be voided unless it’s a 2way agreement. Teams can pay private Russian clubs to void the deals.
Etc.
News flash...Americans don't want to play in Canada...especially boring, frozen wasteland cities like Winnipeg. Most Canadians don't even want to play there. Truth hurts sometimes.
Winnipeg's prospect management doesn't seem to be optimal...
We unfortunately haven't had a coach comfortable integrating younger talent in the lineup. Maurice and Bones both preferred mature players, that's just their style. No knock on them, every coach has their own style and preference. But because of this, we lost Laine and could be losing Perfetti as well... (The Panthers winning the cup this year is a great example, Maurice knows how to get the best from a mature team, and that's exactly what Florida is, all mature/older players and it proves the difference for him there vs here in Winnipeg. What we need in Winnipeg as we're more in a soft rebuild type period right, is some players need to move out so young talent can make its way in, not sure if Arniel is the answer for this but we'll see...
@@ryotts3252spot on
kovacevic, vesalinen, heinola, niku… so many players that have been misused and dropped because of their poor development choices and if not dropped then just kept in the AHL. it’s so frustrating
True, Winnipeg might have the worst track record in the league when it comes to misusing/underutilizing their young guns. Even a notorious prospect hellhole like Arizona/Utah was starting to actually utilize and nurture their young guys like Moser, Maccelli, Cooley and Guenther
@@Steelhart69420 Winnipeg ended up 4th in the league... how did playing those guys work out for Arizona?
@@thestigg Winnipeg's a strong team no doubt, but that's not the point. I'd say that Arizona was better off with their young guys on the ice than with some random veteran depth FAs because they really do not have a core besides Keller, whereas Winnipeg already has an established (aging) core. The Coyotes were actually a strong team at the start of the year and then they just... collapsed.
All those players you mentioned were never good
@@BM_2002 Niku at some point was our most valued prospect defenceman but we never used him. heinola is having that same story as niku. we have too many left defenceman, not enough room for him so their development is gonna halt meaning they’re never gonna get better. so yes you’re right to an extent. they never were good because we never gave them the chance and when we did we always through them to the wolves
There wasn’t room for mcgroarty after all the trades happened cause there wasn’t even enough space for perfetti, the jets need to manage better
I was listening to a podcast last spring and it was reported differently than this. They were talking about the best development for Rutger and a top scout and an analyst for Michigan both agreed that staying in Michigan was the best option for Rutger bec. they are running for the championship there and he his the heart of that team. Chevy was there watching the playoffs talked to Rutger personally and saw his impact and asked what he wanted. And yes like this report says he wanted to stay at Michigan bec. he believes he would grow more there. Chevy was giving him his best path for growth. Now they were saying his current league is as good as the AHL and Rutger is already an established leader there. He doesn’t want to start over with the Moose. Rutger wants to be in a similar position were he can already make an impact to the Jets and Chevy is giving him time to do that.
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Great break down, keep up the good work.
People hating on the prospects, but i think it's a thing where there's two sides. I understand not wanting to promise roster spots or NHL time. But from the players perspective, if they don't feel like they're gonna get a genuine shot on the NHL team, it makes sense for them to continue their college education
AHL lifestyle and compensation is laughable compared to high profile NCAA athlete lifestyle and compensation due to name and likeness.
I’d worry about the mental health of an ncaa athlete who chose the ahl over 1 more year.
Jets don’t have to guarentee him a spot,
He doesn’t have to play for them.
However, if the jets won’t guarantee him an NHL slot, they most think he needs more seasoning. Why the hell would he want to do that in the AHL? Just stay and play in the NCAA, it’s at least as good if not better than the AHL
It’s brutal watching this as a jets fan that was super hyped for Rutger…
I’m a Jets fan as well. I don’t know why we would even consider trading him. If it takes one more year wait one more year. We should not be trading him.!
I’m a flyers fan. Welcome to the club.
@@HudsonPeters-ou9pp you do know there's a time limit right? He goes another year in college and he walks.
@@riff5fki I thought he still had one or two more years after this next season
I'm a Jets fan too...and I can't explain it, but I had a weird feeling with Rutger. When he was drafted I was very vocal how I *DIDN'T* want him.
And now with all this coming out...idk I might've been right
something's gotta change in management cuz bruh 💀💀💀
I would need more information on what was being requested and what was being offered. For instance, if Rutger wanted to start out with the team and get the first 9 games this year as a tryout before a decision was made for the AHL this season and the Jets refused to offer that, seems pretty ridiculous from their standpoint to not offer that to the no. 14 overall pick that’s living up to expectations. However, if he wanted a guaranteed roster spot right away, then I think Winnipeg was well within their right to hold back on giving him that concession.
I’m with you on this, I find it hard to believe he would demand a guaranteed spot next season.
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Chicago pick up the phone
Yep
Yea for bedard
@@iamyou2303
LOL
Ok sure
Just wait a year and Chicago can get him for nothing but money
Now that will be funny to watch
@@lordrayden3045 LOL I KNOW HAWKS NEED TO ADD THIS YEARS FIRST AS WELL
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Good luck with that
Jets aren’t getting anything in return here, at least not anything of value, they really managed to mess this situation up
As a Flyers fan, this one hits close to home. Obviously you can’t force a player to sign with your team when you draft them. But it’s just such a bad look.
And this is going to keep happening. Probably a lot more often tbh. And that’s the saddest part. I feel like the league has to do something about this.
I think the worst thing for the jets was bowness didn’t play the young guys. That seemed like a coaches decision and hopefully with a new coach he played the young guys more. Because when Scott Arneil subbed in when bones took leave of absence perfecttt played really good and got lots of ice time so I’m hoping with new coach Rutger changes his mind. I was so excited to see him in a jets uniform
Rutger is welcome to stay put in Michigan if he wants to come to Detroit
Yea Raymond
@@iamyou2303 You aren't getting Raymond for him ya dunce lol
Chicago and Columbus are not at the same level that Winnipeg is at, they are currently rebuilding and having young star talent is desperately needed. Winnipeg is already a good team. A GM wanting to make a young player develop or prove they are ready to be on an NHL team is normal. Unfortunately, many young American born players hear the stories about the frigid temperatures and long travel times from Winnipeg and they probably would prefer a more temperate climate, less taxes or maybe the appeal of a original six franchise?
What would you give up for McGroarty if you were the Red Wings? If you think they would be in the running. You clearly follow hockey closer than I do so I’m curious.
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Jets seem to be awful at development. Things aren't helped by their AHL team being in an unideal location. Why would mcgroarty want to play in the ahl instead of Michigan? I don't blame him a bit for not signing.
Winnipeg not playing perfetti in the playoffs despite playing 70 regular season games sends a horrible message
Capitals should give up anything to get rutger.. we need those type of prospects
Maybe you guys could trade pld for him 😂😂
Respectfully disagree. I'd like to have him in the Caps' system too, but wouldn't go overboard. His camp might think he's ready for NHL action, but there's still some aspects of his game that are a WIP to become a 200 ft player. I think he could eventually contribute as a middle-6 forward but don't see him becoming a star. That said, I think the #17 pick in the draft would be a fair trade, he's the caliber of player they'd get this year in that range, unless they took a flyer on one of the more high upside, higher risk players like Greentree and he hit his ideal projection.
You guys are in for a decent rebuild before making the playoffs again. Shouldn't have been in this time.
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Wow! As you say more teams would have been interested in Mitchkov if they knew it would only take a year, Congratulations to Philadelphia for getting this over the line. There are some huge pieces now in the flyers organisation and exciting times for them.
Omg, he has to work for his spot??? Red Flags
...He does though. No spot is ever for sure, unless you're an elite or Franchise talent
More like he may just not want to play there and they cant force him to.
The entitlement is off the charts with players theses days. The league needs to step in and help small market teams from these players.
Good luck, because any attempt to address this situation will require renegotiating RFA rights with the NHLPA, and that will be a huge mess because there are different rules and rights for players depending on which development path they're currently on. Europeans, CHL players and NCAA players all play by different rules.
I really don’t think it’s entitlement.
Similar caliber players to him got NHL minutes last year and showed they could keep up like Fantilli or Nazar.
Winnipeg here is saying: “you can sign if you want, but we probably aren’t playing you.”
Why would he sign with an AHL team who literally can’t win a playoff game when he can stay with his team who absolutely can, as well as not have to go to Manitoba?
The blatant disrespect to essentially say: “we aren’t going to make an effort to make you able to play for us” only to say “well we offered, but he said no” in the same breath would make me not want to play for them either.
They literally aren’t even guaranteeing him a shot at NHL minutes, so why would he give up his ability to play where he is?
If other important Jets prospects haven't been able to make the jump to the NHL even when they've looked good in the games they HAVE gotten, why would any of their later prospects trust the path in front of them? It makes no sense. Especially when Winnipeg has as many forwards already signed or waiting for their next RFA deals as they do. Nobody smart is going to go, you know what, this might not work out for me over the next couple of years and I'm not going to be able to back out, let me go for it anyway. The worst that can happen is that my development gets screwed up.
It is not entitlement to want to be put in a situation to succeed and not be yanked back and forth or sat like Perfetti has been.
@@greathoonta3461 There's a big difference between playing against kids and playing against professionals. There's a big difference between playing 36 games a year to playing 82. Do you know how many NHL legends played in the AHL before they EARNED the privilege of playing in the bigs? It's a rite of passage of sorts, but kids these days...
As a jets fan, this could be a bit of a blessing in a best case scenario if we trade Ehlers as well as if we trade him to Ottawa, we could get Chychrun and a pick and flip the pick as a package with McGroarty (and likely a bit more) to Carolina for Necas. We lose only a roster player to get two while upgrading all around
Another NCAA player holding a team hostage for a guaranteed NHL roster spot. And no surprise, he is best friends with Cutter Gauthier.
Great news for Wolverine Nation! 〽️GO BLUE
Welcome back😊 (hopefully)
I understand the upside of not rushing a player, but if the guy is giving you an ultimatum just bring him in at end of the season and burn that year for him. Now he’s gone for sure for basically nothing. At least burning that year gets him signed and gives the team more leverage. Unfortunately ncaa players may as well just be free agents the way they get almost all the power and ability to just stay in school and sign as a free agent to whomever they choose.
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Heads need to roll in the Winnipeg Jets head office. They've been mishandling our young talent for years, and this loss is catastrophic.
Just curious what was the Jets last “successful” home grown prospect and how did they handle their development?
How often does he play center? With Michkov coming over Is he someone the flyers should look to trade for? They have too many wings how it is but if he can play center I can see it working..
I like that idea
Canada is irrelvant in Bettman's NHL.
That Winnipeg has a 2nd team, while Quebec has none, is testament to its relative prioritizations of sports and rivalries vs. mere geographic convenience.
And a big welcome to online betting!
Just a money-grubbing farce.
Do you think the wings could make a run at him?
Could see copp(little contract held maybe) and a third maybe a second.
Or even a couple mid tier prospects and a 2nd.
Maybe jonatan berggren and a pick would be a better fit for Winnipeg if they wanna stay younger in a trade
Considering how dangerously close the Jets have come to needing a full rebuild in recent seasons, I dont think they're in a position to go strong-arming what few elite prospects they still have...
In fact, if I was them I'd be handing out leage-minimum "prove it" contracts like candy!
Be on the lookout for Verbeek sightings.
Rutger’s situation isn’t about development, it’s about asset management backfiring.
If he played a single game for the jets last year, it would have burned a year off of his ELC, giving the jets only 2 years instead of the standard 3.
Any forward that wears #2 is dust. I don’t care
Don't think this hurts RMs value because there are a bunch of teams that would love to have him, and he's ready for the NHL.
It's sad. That the NHL lets these kids decide what team they "want" to play for. You could pay me what I make now as a pipefitter, and I would play for any team that drafted me.
Welcome to Montréal young prospect with high potential that Winnipeg can't keep...Wonder what the price would be for any team ?
Why would you give a guy a roster spot when he hasn't earned it? Who's spot would he have taken ?
Let's go, Stevie. Work your magic.
Yea for Raymond or Sieder
@@iamyou2303in your dreams
NCAA programs are brutal in terms of training and expectations. I would argue it won't be too long before the NCAA is actually the second strongest hockey league in North America behind the NHL, given how many ridiculous talents are graduating these days.
would look good with Will Smith and Celebrini with the Sharks. Could trade Thomas Borderlue and Marrio Ferraro and maybe a 2-3 round pick? Would be nice to get that defensemen too
Feels like how snuggerud is also for the blues. Hes going back to college for his jr year
Snuggerund is a stud, but can use a little more development. Plus there's a bit of a log jam at the wing currently.
he definitely isnt NHL ready and I think he knows it after how bad his season ended. He was going to play in the AHL if they signed him.
Perfetti, Heinola, this guy..
DO NOT get drafted to WPG if you want a career.
Frank Vatrano, Edmonton first round pick, Jackson Lacombe for McGroarty?
Detroit should get involved.
Rutger McGroarty
Jesse from TSN’s “boy” 😂
Jesse lives in your head rent free he’s the best thing tsn has done
A top 4 defenseman and a 2nd for...nothing??? I immediately thought of you and am excited and scared for your reaction...
Cole Perfetti went 15 games without a point. He admitted he was struggling for most a good chunk of the season. Heinola was out for 3 months due to a broken ankle.
Yes they have to start letting the young players play😊
Rutger to Chicago for Lukas Reichel and the NYI 2nd rd pick (50th). Chicago brings him in to play along side former teammate Nazar and they add to their youth moment with a potentially elite playmaking talent who plays a style head coach Luke Richardson likes. Plus Reichel gets a fresh start
Clicked on the video for popcorns, left the video angry af as a wolverine.
It’s not getting ugly for Winnipeg is getting ugly for this young lad who thinks he should earn a spot without working for it
I just don’t think we’re gonna move him he’s too good and a smart kid that we’ll probably figure something out that works for both sides to make him a jet
Should've got that 1st year ELC burnt. There is probably not a chance that it's gonna work. Jets ended discussions by refusing what he wanted.
As brutal as this is, you are wrong that he’s the top prospect it was always lambert but rutger was a CLOSE second
I’d go with Rutger, but Lambert is a beast.
I’m such a huge lambert believer, that guy is awesome. Can’t believe he fell to the end of the first round for Winnipeg to take him
@@OhNyquist it’s definitely close and they’re both definitely minimum top20 prospects. Jets prospect pool is so loaded considering they were a top5 team last year. Rutger and lambo play completely dif styles so it’s subjective but as someone who went to some moose games this year, lambert was always a level above everyone and was playing against better competition than rut
Lambert has way more upside. But he’s pretty much boom or bust.
@@jasoncoladonato1034 ya he was boom or bust when we picked him but not to jinx things but it’s lookin pretty good rn
next time we hear about mcgroats or whatever will be in a draft BUSTS video
Rutger on the wings would be great. He gets to stay here and help bring the wings back to the top
Washington, please get this guy
Rutger's 3 PERSONAL goals heading into the 2023-24 season. World Junior title - check, NCAA title - no check, sign & play atleast 1 game with the Jets to eliminate a year from the 3 yr entry level contract obligation - uncheck! Now he's mad and demanding a trade. 😢
Hawks are hopefully checking in with the Jets I'm sure they wouldn't want to trade inside the division.
San Jose trades Winnipeg would make that trade
I can see it now....our Ducks are gonna send Zegras to Winnipeg for him....not sure how to feel..
Hell naw I would lose my shit as a jets fan
He wouldn’t be playing for the Jets next season and would be playing for AHL Manitoba Moose. Smart move to stay in college for another season.
He should play in New Jersey because of rutgers
That would be awesome
Imagine being the jets thinking you've got better players to dress. Hoping the kid doesn't get roughed up in his junior year.
Never draft Americans in round 1 or 2 if you're a cdn team
isn't this just another cutter gauthier case again, and philly fans was so mad about him not wanting to play while at the same time the team denied his request to turn pro first
Those are impressive stats, please stop wasting players time, especially first rounders by not having them even have a try in pre-season and if things work well, insert him, there's place for him in Winnipeg, even if Sean Monahan was not to resign with the Jets, which is a possibility, although Monahan seems to enjoy playing in Canada, hell I'd take him back with the Habs, we'd have 4 solid centres with some who can play on the wing (Dach especially). I'd also have McGroarty be inserted right away as what we need the most is future top six wingers (which is why they might pass on Cayden Lindstrom, MTL is packed with centres and future likely multiple stars on the blue line, the goalie question will only be solved if Montembeault improves yet again, because if he does he will join the top 15 starters in the NHL pack). MTL was bad at scouting under several GM's in short periods of time, please don't make a habit, because that arena in Winnipeg needs to be full like it was in the last third of the season and playoffs, can't afford just 12-13k seats in games before February anymore. The product is very strong and was getting stronger, don't waste your prospects, whoever is WPG's GM...
I wonder how much McGroarty worrying about his role has to do with the reputation the team already has.
If someone like McGroarty won't play in the NHL, I think he should do a Gauthier and enter the Ducks organization. That's such a pity for Winnipeg, but a talent can't get wasted this way
Winnipeg will get a great return
Probably not as much now. Probably still a decent haul tho
@@jackconrad2667 Winnipeg does almost all their trades with players who have publicly asked for them and yet still does well on them
Not really
Dude can just wait a year or two and be a free agent to do what ever he wants.
Only way a trade happens is of the team he’s going to guarantees him what he’s looking for from the jets
@@lordrayden3045 Remember it was the same thing with cutter Gauthier and they got Drysdale out of him. They should at least get a late 1st for him for sure
@@gino7492
No they won’t.
This whole episode killed his value, first off any team he is traded to would have to be one he wants to go to, that cuts the cost down right there
Secondly, he can just say “ya know what….. I’ll just wait a year and I can pick where I want to go”… side benifit is the team he picks didn’t lose any assets getting him
Montreal should trade their 5th overall pick for Perfetti and McGroarty
and then trade those two for PLD ... lol
Columbus better be calling, already tons of Michigan guys here
Sure swap him for Denton Mateychuk
@@intentionaloffside8934 we’ll happily give u laine back
Michkovmania!
Who would choose to stay in instead then go play for an NHL team?
There was a chance he would be playing in the AHL, would rather try and win a national title I guess.
@@OhNyquistit’s also Winnipeg. 😢
He was already informed he would be assigned to the AHL without so much as an opportunity to show he was NHL ready as he feels he is. His fear, and is a valid one, is solid prospects get assigned to the Moose then "forgot" (Niku, Heinola, Chisholm, Nathan Smith). Jets could have a solid young team if they had a GM who gave kids a chance but Chevy just keeps filling holes with aging veterans and when he does rely on the Moose, he recalls defensive veterans over high scoring prospects.
@@dochaliday69 yep, as well to make matters worse. It’s also Winnipeg.
I’d love to see Columbus make an honest effort at trading for McGroarty. Reunite him with Fantilli and Brindley! We’ve got the assets.
Sharks should be calling
My opinion is finish school get that degree that education what if you have a career ending injury your first fucking game seems like common sense to me
Players should never be “given” an opportunity to play at the top level; it should be earned. All players “think” they are ready; not all players are ready.
Poor player management
St.Louis has room for you Mc!!
If Detroit was to get him they might have to give up Sandin-Pelikka
McGroarty for Rossi?
Learn your lesson, Canadian franchises+some Northern US franchises: STOP drafting so many American players who feel entitled to play for whomever they want.
The unfortunate reality is most American born players don't want to play for a Canadian team
😅not true. The Canucks are loaded with Americans. And Mathews plays for the brutal Leafs
That might be true for some, but when it comes to Winnipeg specifically, even Canadians don't want to go there. It's awful and depressing in that city.
Teams with the most success draft Canadian born players. That is a fact. Look at Edmonton's roster. There are 18 Canadian born players on this team.
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Just make a new rule where teams retain a player's rights until he's 26. The entitlement will stop then.
I don’t understand this from the jets perspective because like yes their “focusing” on their playoff run rather than letting the kids play like it’s dumb I’m not a jets fan to know how dumb this is because their tryna keep their playoff window open for as long as possible but like the jets have a ton of old players Yk what happens come time they have to rebuild and have no
Home grown talent to show for it, it’s a terrible look for the franchise and a bad look for Chevy
Dallas...trade D Nils Lunsqvist....he's also a former 1st rounder. 1 for 1 swap
Draft picks sure think they're more valuable than they think..... watching to much social media gaslighting 😅
As an honest Jets fan they shouls trade him to Tampa for Connor Sheary
Yea and kucherov
FFS. How many good prospects are we just going to let wither on the vine. Not like we can attract anyone anyone here unless they are a restricted free agent trade, and they can run for a warmer climate the minute they can.
Calgary??? Get on it craig