Did we OVERLOOK the Honda CBR650R? (Yamaha R7 Comparison)
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If it was any other motorcycle brand instead of Yamaha Yammie would have made a video on why the R7 sucks.
@Yammie Noob Finally!!!!! That being said I have a 14 cbr650f. So before they changed the name to the 650r and redid the front half of the bike and added the Showa big piston front forks. 14-18 had Showa bending fork or whatever they called them. Once i get comfortable I will get a video of her up in the mountains or at the track.
Hey noob how tall are you?
I think r7 have comper with cbr 600 rr
Why not review the cb1000r?
I like how they just pleasantly ignored the GTR just low key eyeballing them for like 3mins of the video straight.😂
Fr bro
Thought I was the only one fangirling over the car lmao
Same thoughts they’re just casually going along not a word
It's a GTR in 2021, who actually cares? It's the Altima of sports cars.
@@richpryor9650 I mean it’s still a gtr it’s almost like downplaying a lambo just because it’s a cheaper model compared to a million dollar countach. Like yeah the million dollar car is more hype but the gallardo still is a pretty cool and legit car at the end of the day. Idk just being a car person and not mentioning a rare-ish supercar car that’s right in front of you is kinda weird but maybe that’s just me. Plus I think the vette is more the Altima of the supercar world bc everybody and they’re mom owns one. I don’t see gtr’s as often as much if ever and I live In southern FL.
Feel like spite reeeealy wanted to race that GTR! He got into that lane so quick!
Honda Yamaha Nissan that's proper JDM squid
Oh yeah! .... maybe he should get a Gixxer 😁
My buddy noted it....👍
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
it's got that boost logic sticker so noooo wayyy
Those CBR650R are one of the most beautiful bikes currently available, I LOVE the visible manifold up front also. That along with that red paint job. For here in Ireland you really don't need any bigger of a bike
Same here for Mizoram, its Just the perfect power for our roads
I didn't notice the manifold peek until you mentioned it... lewd.
Nah CBR650F is the better looking, the the 650R just looks odd, especially the ass, literally from the CB650R and they didnt even bother hiding it.
Even here in Germany you don't need a bigger bike
If you compare it to the CBR650F, this R one just looks terrible, especially the rear cowl.
The CBR650R is underrated for 650 class. It's a perfect commute bike on HW or city, it's also a great machine you can take to chase the canyon! I learned SO MUCH on it as my 1st beginner bike! Late down the road I moded my bike pushing 90hp at wheel, then took it to the track and sure it did not disappoint me at all. The only downside of this bike is that it came out right before COVID hit, so most accessories factory were shut down due to the lockdown. There aren't a lot of after market parts for this specific bike yet...
Is it safe for a beginner
@@mistahozzy I started on 650. I had no prior motorcycle experience. I am 6 foot and around 200 lb. The bike taught me everything I needed to learn. Took it to the track and expanded from there. In my opinion, it was my best starting bike. It was better than ninja 650 bc of it's seating position is more aggressive.
Out of interest, what bike did you get after the CBR650R?
What do you mean? The 650R came out in 2014
@@richpryor9650 oh my bad, u are right
As someone who has a 650r i absolutely love it!! Extremely overlooked dont see many people talk about it. Everyone thinks ninja when they hear 650. This is by far the best 650 imo. The inline 4 is solid and its fun to ring it out but will still keep up with the bigger bikes
one thing i love about the 650R is how solid it feels to ride. 22:00 is just the cherry on top
Cannot beat a Honda I4.....change the sprockets -1 tooth up front, +3. 4T...you like to go at least +6, +7 overall. Going -1 down up front on the countershaft sprocket equals going about + 3 Teeth at the rear. Probably could do it w/o even buying a new chain. Once you change sprockets, you'll be a giddy little happy shit every time you go WOT !!!
I think 650 is a good upper end starter class. Suzuki SV650 is another great bike
@@carlmayer691 I’m looking to do this to my bike . Have you done it ? Ride much better?
IMO, biggest issue is pricing. You can get a gsxs750, mt09 or z900 for the price of a cbr650r. Each of these bike is a different flavor of better. If you compare to the faired 650 only and ignore pricing the cbr is a lot nicer than the ninja, but the r7 seems like it would be more fun to commute on.
I would pick the CBR650R every day. It’s a better looking, faster, more comfortable bike. Just my thing. I love it as much as Spite’s t-shirt. Where did he get it?
Exactly. The Honda looks great. The Yamaha looks like a cheap Chinese plastic toy
I would disagree I think the Yamaha looks way better and all the Hondas like just look the same I feel like but for the price and comfort I would consider the Honda plus it's faster
I have the r7 and it’s an amazing bike!! It looks so good and aggressive!! It has plenty of power and torque to have fun on the street!!
@@randomvideos21015 how uncomfortable is it bro for daily ride
@@Mr_N0_0ne what do you mean they look the same? All the yamaha‘s look almost identical. Most people who just started getting into bikes would not see the difference between the r6-r7 and the r1
I owned the 2019 CBR650R in black matte, paired it with the sc project full exhaust. A wonderful bike, its not a supersport but a super "sport" bike. Perfect balance between power/torque for everyday riding.
The black cbr is beautiful 😍
FINALLY THE VIDEO I'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR!! Not enough people talk about the 2019+ 650r, it's a wonderful bike for what it was made to be.
As a Honda Fanboy, and owner; this was a relatively objective and fair comparison. I would still take the CBR 600RR or 650R over the R7 but they're all awesome machines. Well Done!
yep 600cc all day
CB600F/CBR600F is the best choice in between.
Should never even mention exhaust sounds when one bike has a full system and the other is on stock. Any full decat non restricted systems on the cbr650r makes the r7 sound like a child's toy.
🤣🤣🤣 thats true bro
Facts
If you wanna ride a CBR650R like a hooligan, you can; all you need to do is scream it out to the red line in every gear and don't let it drop below 6000-7000 revs. Its that easy and a lot of fun (which is not what happens in most of your videos) with the added bonus of that screaming inline 4 cylinder engine noise. I've ridden the RS660 and I learnt to ride on an MT07 and they are great bikes that just make there power in a different way and require a different (some might say lazy 🤔) riding style.
As a everyday commute bike the CBR650R wins hands down, with traction control and ABS, etc. and a perfect beginner's bike. The R7 is too edgy in my opinion
As a Honda fan boy, I had (and traded it in) a 2020 CB650R that was as smooth as my 2021 Goldwing DCT. It’s an amazing bike.
Yeah for only $600 more it's hard to ignore the CBR650R vs R7. (Or the ZX6R, which makes both bikes look overpriced)
and costs around 12.490. Yea right..
U can't really compare these bikes to a 636. The 636 is the fast 600 size bike and the 650s are the slow 600 size bike
@@thomassarigiannis Current MSRP for ZX6R is $10,199.
@@mrtree1368 We CAN compare what equipment we are getting for similar money; and can therefore guess with fair certainty that Yamaha makes more money per R7 sold than per MT07. That Honda makes more money per CBR650R sold than Kawi does per ZX6R. (In the US at MSRP pricing) As for who is actually cross shopping what, I agree with you they are very different bikes and don't exactly compare.
In terms of value for money, the kawasaki blows all these bikes out of the water (including the rs660)
For barely 1k more than the R7 you get an aluminium frame, premium brakes, premium suspension, and TWICE the power.
Seriously, a 636 makes any of these bikes feel like a 300.
What you talked about at around 10-11 min is the same reason I got a CB650R as my first bike. Yea it has a lot of power, but it is in the high revs so it cant really "surprise" me the way a bike with lots of down low torque can. I then also have room to grow into the power as I gain experience
same, i got it as my first bike aswell, but since the power is all high in the revs its easy to manage and its a lot less nervous lower in the revs then the R7
Do you still have it?
I also purchased my 2019 Honda CB650R as my first bike and boy let me tell you, it’s such a NICE bike. Like, everytime I get on the saddle I always think to myself what a composed, solid motorcycle it is. Like y’all mentioned, if I want the higher power, just rev it up; if not, I’ll stay between 5k-7.5k. Just reached 7,020 miles as of this morning (purchased in Oct 2020).
@@colbyclark2479 Yep. I got it in March this year. Its in winter storage now. Cant wait for the spring to bring it out again
I'd take a 4-cylinder over a 2-cylinder any day of the week, and I have a single, a twin, and a 4, so I have some experience. The Aprillia can be problematic from a dealer/service/parts standpoint. YMMV.
Yeah me too it's werid though that the mt 07 engine has come out on top for reliability if I remember correctly from fortnines T7 video
When it comes to valve adjustment and the cost of the job I can see less cylinders possible being a plus
“Dragging knee on a Versys 650.” Sounds like a challenge for Ari Henning.
Zack did it on the clapped out Battletoad
Seriously considering a cbr650r.
Haven't ridden for awhile, I'm 64 now but in really good physical shape. I've owned a 1975 honda cb 750 super sport, a 1976 kawasaki kz900, and a 1980 yamaha xs 1100. Looking forward to hitting a dealership soon for at least a look see.
That Honda has always appealed to me - I still intend on test riding it one day.
Just bought my first bike! All licensed and insured. Couldn't bring it home today but doing a pickup ASAP. Thanks Yammy for guiding me through this.
What bike did you get?
@@TheLentastic a Grom! So stoked to finally get it home.
@@TheLentastic sorry don't know what happened phone must have malfunctioned. A turbo busa ofc
@@riverstudd enjoy the Grom. You will remember it forever. 👍
It sounds like the R7 has the wrong gearing and powerband for the track and the wrong ergonomics for the street. I'd take the Honda.
I have owned quite a few middleweight bikes such as the Ninja 650, MT-07 and the CBR650R and I must say, the CBR650R is in a class of its own. The high revving smooth engine feels a lot more premium and is significantly more powerful than the usual twins in this class. The dofference is night and day. However, the thing I really emjoyed about the Honda was this premium, upmarlet feeling it gives you. It just feels so well built. The seat is of a high quality material with nice red stitching, paint is all high quality etc. The other middles feel like a toy in comparsion, it's a bit like going from a Mustang to a Mercedes. Although the CBR is quite comfy oriented (more similar to the ninja 650), you can still tuck in and knee drag it if you want, as that extra weight does offer a huge amount of stability and precise handling. I never rode an RS660 though, so I can't comment on that, but I would still take the CBR over all the other middles just for the performance and upmarket build quality alone.
We can trust the Yamm on this one, he's the only dude who's 5'11 and doesnt claim 6ft. Nice.. Also go team RED!
True. No one is 5'11".
I actually really rate the CBR. My brother owns a 2019 model and it's a fantastic ride.
I have a 20 and I can confirm this, even at 6'3 it's mostly great for an every day bike with some short touring ability. Took mine 455 miles one way to Pittsburgh in September, the only issues I found there was the seat to peg ratio and lack of cruise control for my right hand lol. It's perfect for my Long Island roads
"It'll last 100,000 miles or basically until the death of the universe"
😂😂😂
The paint job on the GTR looked quite cool.
Was starting to wonder if anyone else noticed it lol
Honda's legacy, engine refinement and balance of power and mileage is unbeatable.
THANKS for the review of the CBR650R and R7! Both were GREAT to ride at the weekend!
I jus got a R7 and I had never used a street bike I bought brand new jumped on it and took it home straight natural I love it it’s pretty fast and really fun to rip around.
The abs on my cbr650r as my first bike has definitely saved my life at one stage when I used abs to it's full potential I do believe without it I would have locked up and lost the front end
For INDIAN roads,
Cbr650r is truly an all-round motorcycle. I have done 700km(around 435 miles) roadtrip on this bike. Not one time did I feel distress because of the ergonomics.
More than enough power nd torque for Indian Roads/Highways.
My top speed on a freeway was 245kmph(153mph). 🔥
Average fuel economy was around 20-24kmpl. ✅
The inline 4 is a gem on this bike ❤
I also do my office commute on this bike everyday.
The heat management in bumper to bumper traffic is also manageable. Doesn't heat up that much.
Overall, it's the best bike that u can use in multiple situations.
Can't say the same for yamaha R7.
Yeah, if u want to take it to the race track mostly (which only 0.02% people do) u can go for the R7.
Here in India, people purchase 200+ bhp bikes just to flex on the streets nd later sell it to get another more powerful bike nd repeat the same cycle. 🤣
Hey bud! I have a question. I plan to purchase a superbike under Rs 12 Lakh and I am confused between Z900 and CBR650R (2024 model to be launched in India soon). I can't decide which one to buy. My primary requirement is brutal power delivery which tilts me towards Z900 but then I prefer faired bikes over naked which tilts me towards CBR650R. Considering both the bikes are similarly priced, what would your choice be taking power, looks and maintenance cost into consideration? Can you suggest?
If I was going to buy something in the 650-700 class it would be the CBR650R. But you can pay a few more bucks and get a 636
Finally! It seems like people are afraid to compare the r7 to the cbr 650r.
Acceleration test 21:48
Yesss I've been waiting for the CBR to show up on the channel!! 🤩
22:00 well, there ya go
Spite being on R7 evens out the weight difference between the bikes and it all comes down to torque delivery & bhp
Turns out, you really aren't missing out on a lot with CBR650R's bottom end.
Drop a gear & it's a rocketship
Ps:
if the same rider is to choose between the 2 bikes, ofcourse the weight would make a difference.
How big of a difference? Well, rider+bike weight difference between both of these is 7-8%, so the difference in acceleration between both bikes won't be that drastically affected. However, CBR would certainly feel less nimble
Ps spite doesn't open the throttle all the way ever.
you call starting at 46mph/74km/h in 2nd gear! low end? Would be a completly different story if they went for a 30mph 3rd gear launch.
@@Lukas-jm7cx did you forget to read "drop a gear and it's a rocketship." It merely takes less than half a second... that is, unless you are a complete noob
The situation you describe is exactly the situation that gears are for, FFS!
If you love to lug the engine, then just buy an FTR or a Harley.
@@Lukas-jm7cx however, if you were talking about middle of the CBD (downtown) during rush hour, you cannot drop below the 1st gear, but that's also the situation where TAME low end would come in handy
Therefore, on most motorcycles, there's not much use of low-end tow-truck-like torque other than the bragging rights.
As a 650R owner, I would def say that gettin a full exhaust sys and a tune really wakes the bike up. Gets better mid-range power and even better at high rpms
sounds good, im a CB650R owner and looking into getting the full akra and and the ECU tuned it for it, but pricey tho. Can you tell me about the improvements vs stock map ? I do feel the throttle is a bit ON/OFF, although not as bad as other bikes, but still no where near as smooth as my old CB500 etc.
Exactly
Should I do a tune in mine bro? I have a 22 cbr and I really wanna put a exhaust on it. But I don't know if I should tune it, does it make really any difference?
I love you guys, let me say that first, but The acceleration test was a bit silly lol. Spite weighs 240lbs while yammie weighs…. 170!?!? 😂
Unless Spite hops on a liter bike, yam would have taken off on spite on either the Honda or Yamaha 🤪. Love the content guys, keep it coming ❤️
You'd be surprised, me being fat helps me off the line with traction and counters wheelies pretty good 😂. All comes down to how well you know the bike and can put power to the ground.
did anyone else also notice that lovely gtr?
I was about to make the same comment Spite did about the gearing. Take advantage of the higher RPM situation to get more practical torque. Sure, you'll have a screaming engine, but plenty of folks like that and won't see it as a negative. It's not like people who ride these really need the potential top speed that would be traded away. If you plan to be going that fast you'd probably buy something else anyway.
Just change the exhaust on 650, and you know which is ths best bike then ,, never choose twin cylinder over 4 cylinder.
Truer words have never been spoken
So why are you upshifting and staying in the 3000 rpm range to begin with? Stay in a lower gear to begin with. It ain’t a Ford Diesel.
I drag knee on my CBR650r, I’ve put aftermarket clip-ons that are an inch lower than stock. So it is closer to the r7 seating position
Seems you probably should get a 600RR or a zx6r then
@@papasmurf205 Yeah i wanted the cbr600rr but i have to pay fucking 1907 dollars per year for the plates compared to 700 dollars so i will go with the cbr650r I think
As a short rider, the thing i like the most about the cbr is how comfortable the dang thing is. It gives me alot of confidence on the road.
How tall are you
@@bertramallen5255 im 5 foot 4 inches
@@doingsomething5084 Do you issues flat footing the bike ?
I started in the CBR650r and it really is a great beginner bike for a more mature rider. ABS and traction control imo are a must for a beginner. It has plenty of power and just as much torque as a 600cc bike. Power to weight ratio is also higher than the R7.
Is the power to weight ratio really higher on the honda?
@@rutgerGoretex Yes, it’s not hard to figure it out. The CBR has 95 hp divided by it’s wet weight of 455 lbs = .208
The R7 makes just 72 hp divided by its wet weight of 414 lbs = .173
Last I checked, .208 is greater than .173
@@KingKofi01 awesome!
I'm in the first quarter of the video while writing this so I don't know what your feeling of the CBR650R will be. But as an owner of a 2021 CB650R I can tell you already that you are testing a 2019-2020 CBR650R against a 2022 R7 (not fair bro ;) !).
The 2021 CB(R)650R got multiple updates including front suspention (that are SFF BP, and the one you tested isn't) and an engine remap so middle rev range feel less empty.
Before buying a CB650R I tested a Z650 and a SV650 and did not notice a torque gap between the twins and the inline 4.
And the CB's inline 4 is butter smooth and never ending going higher in revs !
Would have loved to get a CBR but the insurance dude tried to kill me so ... CB650R it is ^^"
Forgot to mention I tried all those bikes restrained to A2 compliance.
After watching the videoI get the "This is the bike your dad owns" as I am a 30yo dad ^^"
Interesting, i have made a lot of miles (16.000) on my ex-ninja 650 (A2 restricted) and have done probably about 1000-2000 miles with a friends CBR650R (also A2 restricted) and the low down torque of the Kawasaki is quite noticiable, although it has nothing on the MT07, that CP2 is amazing
@@marcos1669 well I'm no expert and leaving from 5 years on a YBR 125 may explain how anything feel so powerfull ^^". Is your friend CBR a 2021 model ?
@@GTxPlaysGames no, it was a 2019, and my ninja 650 was a 2020
@@marcos1669 from what I know there is à big difference between the 2019-2020 and the 2021 CB/CBR engine. I couldn't pinpoint what changed exactly (it might be just marketing) but all I know is that I tried an SV650 and it felt good than an hour after I tried a CB650R and I was shocked by how fast it was compared to the SV because I was expecting it to be slower than the SV.
13:03 - "it's kind of a wet and crummy day out here" - try riding in England - I've never seen a road that dry lol
There’s a lot to be said for comfy cruising. I’d really be interested in the Honda I do believe.
I gotta say as 6'5 guy, I understand why you guys have different opinions on the size and weight. The size difference between the 2 of you and the difference between the bikes are the same! Spite looks normal on the cbr as yammie does on the r7
I think even if you pulled out a clapped CBR600F4i it would be a solid contender Vs the R7 or CBR650R. It's in between those two in terms of weight, has much more power and similar torque and top tier build quality, the ability to actually carry some luggage/a passenger and a centre stand for easy chain maintenance.
Would love to see that! Or even an early 98-02 zx6r!
There is NO COMPARO between the CBR and R7.....The R7 is a Yamaha blue-light parts bin special ....a shite parallel twin, and the CBR is NOT !!! So what if it wheelies, my 500 single wheelies too. The Honda is the superior road going sport bike...want more pep, change the sprockets. But then again, for about $5-6K LESS, buy a nice low miles USED Daytona 955....
@@carlmayer691 What's wrong with twins? They can make good street performance for a far, far lower cost of production compared to a 4 cyl. In most cases, there's just no need to use a more expensive 4 cylinder to hit the hp/torque target for a street bike
@@justinpapin6397 I'm not a fan of the cbr650r myself, but 650 parallel twins are just anemic. They have a linear powerband that dies down quick and vibrates. I'd take the sv650 over the cbr650r or R7 if I was forced to pick a 650, but I'd rather get a 750-900 triple/i4 in that price range.
CBR650R vs. CBR600F4i vs. ZX6E vs. YZF600 would be a VERY interesting comparo imo, seeing as it seems they all fit a very similar design brief.
I love how the honda sounds Idk why I just high pitch noise, it sounds good without bothering everyone behind you
One of the newer bikes that honda got right was the cbr650f back when it debuted, but it wasnt sporty enough for many so when honda replaced the 650f with the 650r they hit a bullseye all around by keeping the inline4, slightly dropping the grip height, and giving it that aggressive "CBR" look and feel. It does weigh quite a bit but when your on the highway or fighting wind, it actually helps. VFRs are too heavy for the amount of ponies they have (i dont count that 1200) but the cbr650r was spot on for a wide range of riders.. that r7 is like the bike you get when you want to begin riding at a track but dont want to ride a 300, its not really a "do-it-all" bike
yammie s got some real beef with honda lol
I would already own a CBR650R if it was possible. They sell out before ever showing up at any dealership near me.
Yea i got lucky getting mine just keep trying its amazing
Yea you gotta put down a deposit on one that may or not be ordered at my local place. It’s crazy
That's what happened to me I had to drop the deposit before I ever saw the bike! Happy hunting it's definitely worth the wait.
Yeah I bought the only one available by me, same dealer only just got the 2021 model in back in September, just one again
it took me 3 weeks and 5 different states before i found mine. best of luck to you, its worth it once you have it!
TC and the better rider position is worth an extra $700 to me but can’t go wrong with either motorcycle.
The Honda does what they like to do,which is make their machine more friendly to more people,more dual purpose,this thing seems to me like a great upright naked bike with a fairing,and the ability to get with the program when you are so inclined,I would agree that it needs some lower gears and that would be a whole new animal.
RS660 might be the better balanced bike but I think financially it knocks itself out every time. Service maintenance. I think that's enough for the Yamaha and the Honda to edge themselves over the Aprilia.
Great vid, also Honda told that they built this bike heavier than the rest to be steadier.
Even tho it is a “sport” bike and has cbr in its name its principal aim is the daily use on street
As a new rider on an 05 FZ6 there are a lot of similarities to the CBR650R, partial fairing, inline 4 that's not as powerful as a 600SS, upright riding position, and at the upper limits of something justifiable for a beginner.
Its cool but you both know riding skills are going to make more of the difference between these 2 bikes than anything. A fast guy will be fast on either of the 2. For the beginner, honda is perfect. Mostly because new riders arent even sure they like track days enough to get a more focused R7.
I've got both the 650 with a different exhaust, air filter, plug n play , rossi tyres . See ya later yamaha .. no competition. Expecially on the highway.
Honda makes great bikes and cars, and, it’s been my experience that Yamaha likes to throw together stuff to play catch-up and not put the QUALITY into the bike. My knees would be suffering on that yammy too cuz I’m old lol
Kinda looks like Yamaha spends more for higher quality components and adjustablity, while honda spends more on fit and finish and comfort. It's pretty amazing that with differing philosophies they end up with pretty similar machines.
Y’all just ignored that gtr wanting to play lmao
Because they didn't want to eat a gaperoni sandwich lol.
FINALLY...My predictions were 90% correct on this...Thanx for awesome vid boys
I love that spot where yall gave it the acceleration test haha I always like going down that street on my truck but truly convinced me to buy a cbr650r hopefully I'm able to get myself one for my birthday
I’ve been watching YammieNoob videos for years and you are one of my biggest inspirations! I’m 22 now and have been fortunate enough to have ridden so many different bikes and met so many great people, so thank you Yammie! In Oct this year I was t-boned by a distracted driver while on my FZ8. I plan on riding again asap once I’m recovered. Your motovlogs are helping me stay strong right now, reminding me what I have to look forward to. I even started motovlogging myself before the accident and can’t wait to make new videos when I can afford a new bike. I wish I had an entry in for that R7 cause I would love to have a Yamaha waiting for me.
you guys are so spot on with your content choice.
You mentioned the reliability of the Honda but the CP2 is known to be the most reliable engine in motorcycle sene
I was about to buy the r7 as my first bike, but 2 cilinders where not what I wanted, so I choose the cbr and im in fucking love, you cannot imagine
I was really waiting for this video, thanks yammie for doing this!
The CBR is a refined sport touring style bike that can do more. Mini VFR. The Yamaha wants to be a sport bike when it grows up.
I think, personally as someone who has a cb650f(same engine essentially) I believe that the honda has more reliability in the fact that they have been making the similar bike for decades, they know what they are doing, where as yamaha constantly changing their platform with the newer MTs and now the R7, yes they have race bread tech, but for the street, is it really worth it and does it matter? might be cheaper, but it costs more to make an inline 4 engine with good parts which in turn drives the price up, but at the end of the day the honda is designed for the street, where the yamaha is an MT07 that is re designed as a race-ish bike, after the R6 without the engine.
Don't get me wrong, I love the yamaha line, but the newer looks are a let down for me personally and I guess with honda the term 'if it ain't broken don't fix it' comes into play.
A tune on either bike will make it different though so there is that.
Imagine Honda's Inline 4 bikes have VTEC, it will be amazing.
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The cb400sf does.
Bought the 2022 cbr650r about 4 weeks ago. Absolutely love it. I’m 6,1 and about 230 pound. It is perfect. I keep up with the bigger bikes and feels great on the highway, twisties and everyday commute. Highly recommend for anyone
enjoyed bro 5.410km on my 2021 and i fully agree with u just bought my tracksuit and weekend rides feels sweet now
just got the 2023 last week! first time ever riding haven't ridden it yet though..
@@ryanspoopstang how is it looking to get one as my first either cbr650r or rs660 or r7
@@rileylofin7653 after a year of ownership, and over 9,000 miles ridden, one metal plate in my forearm, and a many miles and hours of research and interactions i will never give up my 650r EVER lol. Its more comfortable than the other 2 and has a higher top out. For the riding i do its perfect. Light, fast, agile and aggressive. Go with the honda, all day!
@@ryanspoopstang how bad is the weight is it a concern looking for my first bike and really want the cbr650r
2:20 Spite's Cardo is called "Cardo B" 😂😂
I know we are motorcycle people, i know this is a motorcycle channel but why doesnt any1 mention the GTR?
Everyone is mentioning the gtr
Let's hope the gtr shows up again and somebody on a Turbo Busa does not totally ignore it.
It's an 80k car that's been out like a decade. Do people really not see these that often on the road?
@@jeffbrownme2 the gtr starts at 113,000
Both bikes are outstanding but my money would go to the Honda store. Can't beat that 4 cylinder wail when you're pinned.
the gentlemanly dad bike is exactly what im after, i love my 650R. sporty, but still a suit and tie kinda date.
Just put a down payment on a ‘24 650r, extremely exited.
Despite all the critics, the Yamaha R7 would be a better inexpensive purchase, but since it’s so underpowered Honda is the smart choice for specific type of riders. A twin should never be on top of a four cylinder in terms of power,sounds and performance,unless your name is KTM or Ducati. That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if the R7 would be the crowd’s favorite over the heavy and costly Honda lol 😆
Actually the weight of CBR650r is because of the exhaust, I think around 10kilo or more? that's why here in our country, the first thing they always do with CB650 and CBR650 is replace those exhaust, both header and the pipe. Once replaced, weight count actually goes 190+kg
Had the mt07 as my first bike ( which is basically the same as r7 in many ways)
Testdrove the cb650r just for fun. After 5 secs i was sold! The 4cyl is amazing in every single way!
Also the build quality seems to be way better!
Just bought myself a cbr650r. Can’t wait for the snow to melt!!
Hey mate, torn between both of these bikes atm. Would you say you miss the torque on the mt?
@@Dave-qq4lh i do yes. But overall you won’t notice the difference imo.
As i’ve told my mates: the mt is like a turbodiesel with alot of torque on lower rpm, but you need to gear much often.
The cb/cbr is like a petrol engine. You need to rev it up.
For me it was the build quality and over all the «looks and feel» that made me buy the cbr.
@@kattlikzm Thanks for the info. Weird question but do you think owning both would be a bit overkill, or would be a fun experience?
@@Dave-qq4lh thats up to you and your wallet🤣
I have mt07 as first bike, going to change to 650r or rs660
You's needa get a pipe on that CBR. My mate has a CBR650 with a full system and shorty can and it legit sounds like a mini CBR1000R, sounds better than the cbr600r imo
Best time to buy the CBR was right before the pandemic when dealers couldn’t even give these away.
Break it down to basics. The R7 is a sport bike. The cbr650r is a sport touring bike 100%. It would be more aptly named VFR650 with its character
It reminds me of the fz6, very similar in power. 90 hp is about perfect for the street
I own a FZ6 and was thinking the same thing, but it's newer and I think has a little better fit and finish then mine.
The problem with the 650 is that it used to be a 600. The 600 was based on the actual CBR600RR engine so sounded way better and faster. My Honda hornet 600 was just as quick as my Triumph speed triple 1050. Even the torque was not that noticeable.
Used to be a 600? They still make the 600RR lol, the 650R is NOT a super sport, it’s a faired sport standard.
@@sleeper.simulant7327 They used to make a cb600r which was the predecessor to the 650. It used the cbr600rr engine but tuned for more torque instead of high end hp.
@@willspeakman2461 similar to a Yamaha FZ6 vs R6 then. The 650R isn’t a bad bike, it does what it’s meant to do great, be a more fun commuter bike without sacrificing comfort
@@sleeper.simulant7327 pretty much exactly the same. The new 650 just lost the edge a bit for me but its not a bad bike at all.
That Honda front end looks great!
within a year I plan on either buying a 650r or going back to my VFR. People really don't appreciate bikes that can hang with the pack but not kill you doing it. Way too much hype over "track ready" bike when nobody ever really goes.
The R9 will be the Yamaha to get, with the horsepower of the R6 but with more torque it will settle nicely between the R7 and the R1.
@@peterdj4573 I'm getting excited for it knowing damn well I'm likely not buying another bike lol. Hopefully you'll have your R9 soon 👍.
I agree I have mt09 so much character out of a triple cylinder engine
@@Flooozeee bless this great dude
@@peterdj4573 I don't really blame them. I mean they didn't even trademark the name until early this year so they're probably not that far in the development process
8:23 gtr has entered the chat
They still sell the cbr600rr in 2021. It's the same bike from 2013 but it's still a great bike. Japan got a redesigned cbr600rr for 2021 with a new dash and electronics as well as a facelift
I think these are different classes of bike the CBR 600RR is $13k in USA while the CBR650R is $9700
R7 good for building into a twin class race bike (just see all the Yamis in MotoAmerica) but no one wanted it for street. We put up with terrible ergos of the R6 on the street because of the performance. Now we have a bike that's just as uncomfortable but with no power, brakes, or suspension.
I actually really appreciated this video not just for the detail such as comparison by two riders of different heights, but for the well made distinction between who each bike would be for. Nice work chaps!
Was kind of expecting Yam to like the 650R more considering how much he liked the CB at the track.
As a cb650r owner, this is the only video I've been looking forward to
Were so overlooked. They are absolutely amazing bikes.
@@tomasjanostak789 the build quality and looks definitely worth the price tag
Do you have an exhaust on yours? I think they are too expensive because there are only full systems.
@@TheLentastic I have an akra + engine filter and flashed. Definitely changes the personality of the bike
Honda usually hits the mark. I hope all you guys love it. It wd be my choice over a more high strung purebred like r6. Comfortable and beautiful. Plenty of fun. Enjoy & stay safe!
I still don't know which one I should get 😂😂 , they should be blended into one bike 😂😂
You're pushing your q-tips in too far if you think the R7 sounds better than the CBR650R.
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horses for courses, some will love the cbr [i do] and some love the yam. by the way the ron haslam race school uses a fleet of cbr 6505r's
Finally, ya woke up and smelled the espresso ducati biscotti boi. CBR650 FTW 😎😎😎😎