As much as I love BG3, he’s absolutely right. There’s no way that I would watch him play an 80+ hour playthrough of a game, especially if I’m playing it myself. Ain’t got time for that. I’d watch a few episodes of the beginning, then hope for a supercut video with all the highlights.
Yeah the only playthrough of his ive ever watched to completion was the Fallout new vegas playthrough, which was the best content he's ever made and that was almost 10 years ago now. I would rather rewatch that than watch another 80+ hour playthrough. The era of longform playthroughs is dead.
Yeah, final fantasy XVI had a severe drop on views and is a more eye candy game where he can banter over. I understand. But I still think it would be awesome. But I understand.
Considering Sinvicta cheated his Isaac streak for years, not surprising to me that he immediately quit a game that gave him a bad die roll that he couldn't immediately reverse by scumming his save.
He has/had a long series, where ye boasted a very long winstreak in Isaac. One day he uploaded a video where it included a death, he quit, and reloaded the file. Didn't acknowledge it at all. Basically he accidentally uploaded a video of how he had been cheating his win streak.
You can still find the video if you look for it. Sinvicta deleted it off of his channel after he realized what he did. If you mention it in his subreddit, or in his twitch chat, you will be banned.
Sinvicta quitting bg3 for unlucky rng only to have the darkest dungeon ancestor and jester pop up in his custom overlay somehow makes it even more funny
Darkest Dungeon has conditioned him to expect a guaranteed hit at 95% because that game has a hidden +5% chance to hit in your favor regardless of accuracy.
Man, after actually hearing his reasoning it made me wonder if he played through all of midnight suns because he actually enjoys the game but really aren't in a position where he can play videogames on his spare time I loved every second of it
I think what saddens me the most is that I don't know if he reads the comments on those midnight suns videos, maybe he only sees the view numbers and is just disappointed
@@raeryukofor mental health purposes it's probably better not to read. Even if 19 out of twenty are positive and good, and the others are down voted to the bottom, those 'others' always stick with you more.
Everything he said in these clips is 100% factual but I am going to roll my eyes when we get to the end of the year and after not playing Baldurs Gate/Starfield/Spiderman2 NL says gaming had a down year as he does
You can’t win with him. Indie games that slap come out? “Idk chat not my cup of tea”. New AAA that aren’t trash come out? “It’s just not what the viewers want”. Okay play an old game that got a big update? “Just let it go man it’s been years”. Then he turns around and says “Gaming needs a W man.”
@@yjreBG3 isn't everyone's cup of tea. Its mine so it probably will be my GOTY but acting like games from completely different genres aren't also incredible is shortsighted. There's a lot of competition this year which is good. FF16, BG3, TOTK and hopefully Spiderman and Starfield will be as good as people think they will be. I'd have added Diablo 4 if they didn't loose a lot of the goodwill from players with the latest season update, and Remnant 2 has received really high praise but I think it's to small to receive a GOTY nod with all the heavy hitters. What I'm saying is it's subjective. Someone who loves Spiderman may not enjoy BG3 and someone who loves BG3 may not enjoy Spiderman but it doesn't make them bad games. Just different for different people
Hmmmm curious. The streamer man recognized a false positive in his chat, only to make others feel one about a tv show. Hmmm, hypocrite much, egghead? Subscribed
The NLSS super sundays were my favorite streams of his. It's a shame that era is so far gone. Glad NL still sees plenty of success with his other stuff though
11:33 I was about to youtube search the clip in question but then I was like "it's librianian the clip is probably already here" AND I WAS GOD DAMN RIGHT. POG LIBRIANIAN
Cant wait for him to say "there's a bit of a gaming lull at the minute" next week. "So instead of playing one game, you play SAP over and over again" almost gets banned for being right. Sometimes NL is the best streamer in the world and sometimes he's an obnoxious little C word.
Feels bad for NL because he's going to miss on such a good game just because of his job, it's too long to play on stream and probably too long to play on his free time as well
@@Odyssey636 He plays games for like 4-5hours a day, and he takes weekends off. I went through the game pretty fast, since I don't care about story, and it took me around 50hours. NL would be playing the game every day for a minimum of 2-3weeks in order to complete it, how is that a "few days"?
I think Ryan is right in a way and i did exactly what he said. I changed the channel years ago because i'm not interested in watching him play SAP or Luck be a Landlord for the thousandth time. I get that having a child changed his outlook on things and he just prefers doing this kind of content now so it is what it is. The days of the NLSS were great, so was the Fallout playthrough, the CK2 multiplayer stuff and their tournaments of shame.
That isn't how probability works, boys. 95%=1/20. One attack in 20 will miss. Two attacks @95%= 1/20*1/20=1/400. So one time in 400 (on average), when you attack with two consecutive 95%s, both will miss. Source: middle school math education.
Failing a 95% chance to hit means you rolled a nat 1 on the d20 hit die, which I think would be a far more engaging thing to show. Seeing a nat 1 is at least kinda funny, and sets you up for the classic D&D player superstition. Failing a 95% chance to hit just makes you feel like your character is a moron.
I wonder what the analytics are for sap vs things like baldurs gate on youtube (or vods) vs twitch live . I dont watch live during work but i can imagine sap is just easier background content for some people?
Exactly, I watched one stream of a guy playing the intro super slowly, just to see if the game was for me and then didn't watch any of his other streams of the game to avoid spoilers.
Yeah he's absolutely right. CRPGs are really, really fun to play but they are very long. Not a question of if the viewership would die down, it's a question of when does it die down.
Because the viewership is good after the 2000th SAP run? Give me a break, he could have played and completed BG3 with a viewership just fine. FF16 was the same, it would have been fine, he's hardly fighting for viewers.
TBH the real reason is that NL's stream style does not work with lore heavy games. Idk why after so many years people continue to beg him to play story games and then complain when he skips lore and talks over the story about his grocery store visit,
@@NihongoWakannaiAbsolutely right. Most people watch him for his quips/anecdotes or banter with the chat instead of watching based on the game he's playing.
Completely right. The more popular the game is cuz it's so good the more ppl actually play the game and they would watch only the highlights not the whole thing. Elden Ring is a stellar game but i'd watch only highlights, you'll not find me watching the whole playthrough, i'll not be watching every attempt to beat a boss, just the first few, then first time reaching next phase and final attempt. Noone has time to play a really long game then watch entirety of someone else doing the same.
Yet he played Elden Ring anyway, says people would get bored of watching, plays one of the longest games in recent memory and fucks BG3 off because viewership would get bored. Just like FF16...
I'm watching Quill18, who isn't super similar in terms of vibes but still enjoyable I'd say. Plus he does pay attention to the story/dialogue bits which NL probably wouldn't if that's what you prefer (I certainly do, as I ain't gonna play this game until a middling laptop can run it in like 5+ years)
I like marbozir. not necessarily a similar vibe to northern lion but I like him. He plays a lot of turn based strategy but I know he's doing a BG3 playthrough right now. Middle aged polish guy. He's chill.
I'm mostly done with act 2. I wanted to watch someone else's playthrough but constantly found myself pausing and leaving because I didnt want to see what other events, outcomes, etc, were possible because I'll likely want to play it again.
I don't know why he doesn't just stream it once or twice. Most people don't finish games anyway. Super Auto Pets isn't remotely interesting either. Did he stream all of Elden Ring either?
I honestly did the same thing with DOS2. I love the game, but I've played 3 campaigns and haven't finished any of them. Always was bored of it by the 3rd island
Yeah I tried watching peoples BG3 streams & I just could not sit through that shit. It’s a fantastic fucking game, I have hundreds of hours in it, but it can be unbelievably boring to watch somebody else play it.
I'm personally don't mind watching him play long games, but if I have missed the stream and vods, and so can only watch without chat - I lose a lot of interest. I know there is some site that saves chat of NL, but you can't really watch it on a phone.
its very sad though that he will never play one of the best games ever made just because it wont retain viewership stuff like that is why i could never be a streamer the sacrafice is too high
I mean it just depends on the type of person you are and the viewers you attract. There are plenty of people on youtube who in the past have posted long spanning games and gotten popular. Minecraft youtubers had potentially hundreds of episodes in a "series" and gotten far more popular than NL. NL has just gotten the reputation and viewer base of "play SAP over and over again". His audience has a low attention span and probably just plays his shit in the background, so his content reflects that.
No he's real for that. I'd probably watch the first two whole videos, then skip to the parts of the game I personally enjoyed to see his reaction to, then watch the finale. With a story driven game, there's not much in the way of allowing banter, because you need to care about the characters, and doing that in today's gaming landscape is impossible.
That's his job though, I'm bored of NL complaining that gaming has bad for ages while simultaneously not playing any of the stuff people are saying is good.
@@deetsitmeisterjd Except you know it would dick his viewership on the main channel and take up a fair amount of time for little payoff. I've been playing through it, Baldur's Gate is not an NL game. It's a 40+ Hour narrative heavy game.
id argue that playing longer games like this is fully dependant on your personality. A Minecraft youtuber "davidangel64" also known as "X" did a mass effect 1 playthrough back in the day on his youtube channel and it was fucking hilarious. He could make a funny joke about just about anything because he was a genuinely funny and eccentric guy. Northernlion can quip as good as anybody but at the end of the day he's just not that interesting so he cant do games like CRPG's. Youve got to be a certain kind of person to just be funny all the time no matter what. Basically a comedian that plays games.
Respect. A good game for playing and enjoying in your own time, if you have time is not necessarily good for streaming. I may not necessarily agree but I understand the viewpoint.
Man, i'm this close to unsubbing to egg again. I'm here for the combination of banter AND game, and he's coming out with these takes, and "gaming is having a down year", while also bombarding us with SAP weeklies. If you're jaded and focusing only on viewership numbers, fine, but don't expect me to stay to watch you play PGA Tour while having a faux podcast style of vids. Reminder: He dropped Darkest Dungeon 2.
Same. He dropped Wildfrost after giving it a thumbnail for ONE episode. FF16 isn't even that long and he saw "well I'm getting 25% of the viewership" but it would only be for a week but nah he can't even stick it out. Everything is about money now, he just plays the same crap, the same 7-10k people want to watch.
@@deetsitmeisterjd look I'm not saying it's not just about the numbers. It is. I'm just saying. Maybe, just maybe: The numbers would go up if he played good stuff. Anyhow I dropped him after noticing I hadn't watched a video of his in like a month or so. I remember he had a siiiick streak not long ago of Dark Souls Randomizer, to SM64, to the beginning of SAP, to a bit of Peglin. Shit was crazy.
If he had to live off the amount of people who watched all 2000 episodes of Isaac he'd starve. It's also different because you can jump into any Isaac episode and not feel like you're missing out on anything, but if you jump into episode 4 of a playthrough of a story-driven game then you don't know what the fuck is going on.
@@super_7710 And yet you also don't need to know to be able to follow along, because it's not a storyline with specific events to miss. So if you miss today's episode and watch tomorrow's, you will have had the same quality of experience as you would if you'd just watched today's. If you skip a narrative game's episode you no longer have any idea who anyone is or why they're saying what they're saying. You might be able to assume and pick it up along the way, but that's less satisfying of a narrative experience, which is what people generally go to narrative games for, at least partially. This should be pretty easy to understand. They're very different games in very specific ways.
Mundane games like golf or w/e have the benefit of being background noise while the streamer provides the entertainment. RPG's are full of cutscenes/lore that interrupt the streamer banter constantly.
I would watch him play Baldur Gate 2 though, now that I would watch a full playthrough of his. He should do a Marvel's midnight sun and play through the whole game anyway even though no one watching. Look him playing that for so long made me lose respect of his opinion for not playing long games when he spent a month on that. And he spent like years on SAP he's never getting to the end of that story (Kappa)
I honestly never enjoyed the campaign rpg days, that’s not NL’s niche. He doesn’t let himself get immersed a lot of the time, so this isn’t a streamer I’d really wanna see playing a Larian game. Gimme card games and souls likes
Although not my style of content, the most interesting thing he does is the thornforg character. Just be a bastard, because he doesn't care about the characters, so lean into that.
Fair point, and it's good he understands and caters to his viewers. Some other streamers have audiences that eat up long playthroughs of RPG's, such as Cohhcarnage - but that doesn't work for everyone
Daph is also a much different streamer than NL, she has dialogues with chat and entertains but she isn’t always trying to be “on” like NL is. That’s just partly because she streams for longer hours than NL.
BGS3 needs commitment. For someone like NL, who flies from bit to bit in an attempt to keep viewership high and engaged, for someone who plays shorter games, this might be too much work. There are others that do it better. That convince you to stay. Go find them for yourself. Eggman will still be there playing round #45321 of SAP.
i started playing bd3 with a friend, we probably won't ever finish the game but the hours of questions we get to do together is still worth it? it's like dnd IRL
@@FennelRPG Yeah I also forgot he didn't literally do nothing but talk down to people and you're actually overblowing a nothing situation for no reason He also talked about his ridiculous cake, go look at that clip, he doesn't talk down to anyone there
because the only clips you engage with are his incendiary takes, so more get served to you and you click, watch, AND comment/complain like the slop eater you are
Compared to the excitement and banter that comes from throwing dice and rolling a 1 when playing DnD with your friends I really dislike games that use critical failures in their systems so that you will never have a better chance than 95% to do something. Probably one of the main reasons I never liked Xcom but loved Warhammer 40k Mechanicus.
Totally agree regarding roleplaying games. If you miss even half an hour you could've missed some critical piece of lore making it hard to continue watching. That's why I don't watch any D&D stuff at all.
Yeah. I´m one of the probably few that does go back and watch 150 episodes of real DnD because I´m miserable and long for a DnD group of my own that I cannot have because it never fucking works out but even I would just go and play Original Sin or Baldurs Gate again for the 5th time rather than watch someone play it. Why not just experience it myself. But I also don´t watch Twitch at all so maybe thats different.
I think there has been an oversaturation of isometric CRPG the past few years and i think i am just fatigued to play another atm (i just finished wasteland 3 and pillars of eternity 2 ) so i am probably going to play this later. I also didn't finish diving original sin yet 😂
As someone who loves CRPGs, BG3 was a breath of fresh air, so definitely give it a shot at some point. It combines the isometric CRPG with the cinematic experience of a AAA game and it makes a world of difference. It feels like Dragon Age: Origins in all the best ways. CRPG's often suffer from a lack of meaningful character interaction because they're reduced to a small portrait in a dialogue box and i had no idea how much of a difference that made until BG3.
getting mad about random chatters being banned is much more of a thin skin than NL has lol, you weirdo. there are so many chatters in NL's chat that absolutely deserve to be banned for their constant aggressive and stupid takes
@@FennelRPGif you didn't notice that a) no one was banned and b) he was wildly successful in his job doing so, providing entertainment, cf chat, you gotta get some priorities straightened out.
@@SzanthLiterally in this clip he talked about banning people that don't agree with him and then he almost banned another person on stream just for saying he will play SAP over and over again but not play something new. (Plays FF16 for 6 hours, see the engagement decides he doesn't like the game. He has zero spine)
I do not understand how you can play 100s of hours of pet battle game, but I guess nl doin it fo his daughta. Streaming in general just looks miserable.
tbf SAP is pretty fun and gets regular update, besides that he barely needs to put any brainpower into playing it and can go off on a 20 minute tangent at any point without having to focus on playing
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As much as I love BG3, he’s absolutely right. There’s no way that I would watch him play an 80+ hour playthrough of a game, especially if I’m playing it myself. Ain’t got time for that. I’d watch a few episodes of the beginning, then hope for a supercut video with all the highlights.
Yeah the only playthrough of his ive ever watched to completion was the Fallout new vegas playthrough, which was the best content he's ever made and that was almost 10 years ago now. I would rather rewatch that than watch another 80+ hour playthrough. The era of longform playthroughs is dead.
Yeah, final fantasy XVI had a severe drop on views and is a more eye candy game where he can banter over. I understand. But I still think it would be awesome. But I understand.
I'd actually go back and watch the VOD when he was done with it but I accept I'm an extreme outlier
This
Yeah his midnight suns stuff did really poorly, regardless of quality of the game, long form stuff is harder to get an audience for.
Kids these days never would have handled the old XCOM playthroughs, I was there for Roll Fizzlebeef
Never forget that Loki had a medkit.
I'm an Edge Clark Duncan man myself.
What was the name of his gunslinger in XCOM 2?
Considering Sinvicta cheated his Isaac streak for years, not surprising to me that he immediately quit a game that gave him a bad die roll that he couldn't immediately reverse by scumming his save.
Holy brsh +2
Wait, what did he do with Isaac?
What happened with sinvictas isaac?
He has/had a long series, where ye boasted a very long winstreak in Isaac. One day he uploaded a video where it included a death, he quit, and reloaded the file. Didn't acknowledge it at all. Basically he accidentally uploaded a video of how he had been cheating his win streak.
You can still find the video if you look for it. Sinvicta deleted it off of his channel after he realized what he did. If you mention it in his subreddit, or in his twitch chat, you will be banned.
Sinvicta quitting bg3 for unlucky rng only to have the darkest dungeon ancestor and jester pop up in his custom overlay somehow makes it even more funny
Darkest Dungeon has conditioned him to expect a guaranteed hit at 95% because that game has a hidden +5% chance to hit in your favor regardless of accuracy.
@@PotionSmellerI knew it was a casual game in the end
@@friendlyplayer92 I mean yeah any DD player could tell you that. You literally cannot lose unless you play on the highest difficulty.
@@PotionSmeller it's always hilarious to me seeing people who expect anything over like 70% to be a guaranteed hit and raging when it misses
@@PotionSmellerwell sometimes i get wiped. I'm finding it's getting easier the more i advance into It, but tue beginning can be harsh.
Man, after actually hearing his reasoning it made me wonder if he played through all of midnight suns because he actually enjoys the game but really aren't in a position where he can play videogames on his spare time
I loved every second of it
I think what saddens me the most is that I don't know if he reads the comments on those midnight suns videos, maybe he only sees the view numbers and is just disappointed
@@raeryukofor mental health purposes it's probably better not to read. Even if 19 out of twenty are positive and good, and the others are down voted to the bottom, those 'others' always stick with you more.
midnight suns was some of my favorite content from him in a while, seems like the game vibed w/ him hardcore
Everything he said in these clips is 100% factual but I am going to roll my eyes when we get to the end of the year and after not playing Baldurs Gate/Starfield/Spiderman2 NL says gaming had a down year as he does
Yeah he's been saying that for a while now and I'm just like... really?
You can’t win with him. Indie games that slap come out? “Idk chat not my cup of tea”. New AAA that aren’t trash come out? “It’s just not what the viewers want”. Okay play an old game that got a big update? “Just let it go man it’s been years”. Then he turns around and says “Gaming needs a W man.”
need a deck builder rogue lite indie game to come out in December
@@yjre Just because it's not a RPG doesnt mean it can't be good. Spiderman 1 is incredibly fun and enjoyable
@@yjreBG3 isn't everyone's cup of tea. Its mine so it probably will be my GOTY but acting like games from completely different genres aren't also incredible is shortsighted. There's a lot of competition this year which is good. FF16, BG3, TOTK and hopefully Spiderman and Starfield will be as good as people think they will be. I'd have added Diablo 4 if they didn't loose a lot of the goodwill from players with the latest season update, and Remnant 2 has received really high praise but I think it's to small to receive a GOTY nod with all the heavy hitters. What I'm saying is it's subjective. Someone who loves Spiderman may not enjoy BG3 and someone who loves BG3 may not enjoy Spiderman but it doesn't make them bad games. Just different for different people
I love how he complains about someone trolling, then immediately calls Breaking Bad an 'Ozark clone'.
Yeah but do you get engagement money from your trolling? Checkmate.
I also love how he makes jokes
Do you not understand jokes?
Hmmmm curious. The streamer man recognized a false positive in his chat, only to make others feel one about a tv show. Hmmm, hypocrite much, egghead? Subscribed
I also thought that was hilarious
"You are not going to convince someone to go out on a date with you by providing facts and logic" god he never misses.
Another amazing rant with the super auto pets beat in the background. The melody just invokes something absolutely magical in his brain
We all long for the glory days of New vegas, but this is a new Era. You can't change nature
thats when i started watching nl 😭 good times
the wheel of time turns on
karlklein2263 when they learn about global warming: Cereal nature has changed
You eyeballin me?
The NLSS super sundays were my favorite streams of his. It's a shame that era is so far gone. Glad NL still sees plenty of success with his other stuff though
when NL looked up the SAP hater's username and chat started typing various renditions of 'GET HIM' and 'SMOKE HIS ASS' I lost it XD
11:33 I was about to youtube search the clip in question but then I was like "it's librianian the clip is probably already here" AND I WAS GOD DAMN RIGHT. POG LIBRIANIAN
I watched all episodes of divinity with Mathas and Unity... The depression ran deep back then
As someone who watched all of elden ring and midnight suns I'll be here when he's ready
Cant wait for him to say "there's a bit of a gaming lull at the minute" next week.
"So instead of playing one game, you play SAP over and over again" almost gets banned for being right. Sometimes NL is the best streamer in the world and sometimes he's an obnoxious little C word.
Feels bad for NL because he's going to miss on such a good game just because of his job, it's too long to play on stream and probably too long to play on his free time as well
@@Odyssey636 He plays games for like 4-5hours a day, and he takes weekends off. I went through the game pretty fast, since I don't care about story, and it took me around 50hours. NL would be playing the game every day for a minimum of 2-3weeks in order to complete it, how is that a "few days"?
@@Xationwhy would you play a game like that if you don’t care about story
@@Pitman856yeah like, what's the point
@@loggi7605 To have fun in a sandbox RPG?
@@Shiftarus yeah, skipping the story Is so much fun.
Goat editor for including the clip
I think Ryan is right in a way and i did exactly what he said. I changed the channel years ago because i'm not interested in watching him play SAP or Luck be a Landlord for the thousandth time. I get that having a child changed his outlook on things and he just prefers doing this kind of content now so it is what it is. The days of the NLSS were great, so was the Fallout playthrough, the CK2 multiplayer stuff and their tournaments of shame.
The guy that missed a 95% hit chance…. That’s a d20 roll and you rolled a d1. If you didn’t know that was a possibility gtfo here lmao
I missed that same 95% twice. It made me think maybe it was showing my chance to miss I was so confused.
does the enemy have a modifier or something that doesn't get calculated? 95% is basically 100% 😂
That isn't how probability works, boys.
95%=1/20. One attack in 20 will miss.
Two attacks @95%= 1/20*1/20=1/400.
So one time in 400 (on average), when you attack with two consecutive 95%s, both will miss.
Source: middle school math education.
@@andrea_7194never go to a casino
@@andrea_7194the enemy was just really lucky
Failing a 95% chance to hit means you rolled a nat 1 on the d20 hit die, which I think would be a far more engaging thing to show. Seeing a nat 1 is at least kinda funny, and sets you up for the classic D&D player superstition. Failing a 95% chance to hit just makes you feel like your character is a moron.
With how much variation can happen in a BG3 run I’d probably watch him play it. But I totally understand not wanting to.
I wonder what the analytics are for sap vs things like baldurs gate on youtube (or vods) vs twitch live . I dont watch live during work but i can imagine sap is just easier background content for some people?
And content that you never have to 'what did I miss'. The entire current game state is visible.
the FF16 analytics were horrendous. he usually gets 7k-10k on most games but FF16 dipped to 2k which is kinda insane
This man played midnight suns forever but won’t play an objectively better game. Smh my head
And chat hated it, and everything outside the battles is legitimately trash. NL is officially an idiot
NL story game redemption arc
it's actually because its called BALDurs Gate
What is the selenium board game he is talking about?
the banished vault
he thinks FF16 is anywhere close to BG3, much less Midnight Suns ICANNOT
Ngl BG3 is an amazing game and I spent way too much time playing it but I don't watch anyone playing it simply because I just wanna play it myself.
Exactly, I watched one stream of a guy playing the intro super slowly, just to see if the game was for me and then didn't watch any of his other streams of the game to avoid spoilers.
How is it different to Elden Ring?
Dangit, the game even had bald in the title... We'll get him next time I suppose
Yeah he's absolutely right. CRPGs are really, really fun to play but they are very long. Not a question of if the viewership would die down, it's a question of when does it die down.
Whenever it does he just pivots back to his usual sap golf geoguesser garbage, really isn’t a huge deal lmao
Because the viewership is good after the 2000th SAP run? Give me a break, he could have played and completed BG3 with a viewership just fine.
FF16 was the same, it would have been fine, he's hardly fighting for viewers.
@@deetsitmeisterjd let's see. Do I trust your numbers, or his...
TBH the real reason is that NL's stream style does not work with lore heavy games. Idk why after so many years people continue to beg him to play story games and then complain when he skips lore and talks over the story about his grocery store visit,
@@NihongoWakannaiAbsolutely right. Most people watch him for his quips/anecdotes or banter with the chat instead of watching based on the game he's playing.
Love the Nick Drake outro.
Honestly id be happy if he just did like one or two streams with bg3
I’m bummed we didnt get a finished divinity run due to Dans lack of attention
Completely right. The more popular the game is cuz it's so good the more ppl actually play the game and they would watch only the highlights not the whole thing.
Elden Ring is a stellar game but i'd watch only highlights, you'll not find me watching the whole playthrough, i'll not be watching every attempt to beat a boss, just the first few, then first time reaching next phase and final attempt. Noone has time to play a really long game then watch entirety of someone else doing the same.
An honest evaluation of oneself. More of this online is awesome, NL needs to keep this up!
His playthrough of Elden Ring was very different to mine though so I loved watching him play!
Yet he played Elden Ring anyway, says people would get bored of watching, plays one of the longest games in recent memory and fucks BG3 off because viewership would get bored. Just like FF16...
Except it literally doesn’t matter. If you like a game, you should play it- to hell with "viewership."
Or ya know, play it off-stream.
The second part of the clip with him digging into a random persons profile and then doing armchair psychoanalysis was weird ngl
the cost at looking at twitch chat all day
game complaining is an offense worthy of death penalty
As someone wanting to watch the game, any reccomendations for streamers/youtubers playing it, who have similar vibes to NL?
cohhcarnage maybe
I'm watching Quill18, who isn't super similar in terms of vibes but still enjoyable I'd say. Plus he does pay attention to the story/dialogue bits which NL probably wouldn't if that's what you prefer (I certainly do, as I ain't gonna play this game until a middling laptop can run it in like 5+ years)
I like marbozir. not necessarily a similar vibe to northern lion but I like him. He plays a lot of turn based strategy but I know he's doing a BG3 playthrough right now. Middle aged polish guy. He's chill.
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I'm mostly done with act 2. I wanted to watch someone else's playthrough but constantly found myself pausing and leaving because I didnt want to see what other events, outcomes, etc, were possible because I'll likely want to play it again.
I don't know why he doesn't just stream it once or twice. Most people don't finish games anyway. Super Auto Pets isn't remotely interesting either. Did he stream all of Elden Ring either?
SAP slander -2
I honestly did the same thing with DOS2. I love the game, but I've played 3 campaigns and haven't finished any of them. Always was bored of it by the 3rd island
6:15 this cut made me question my sanity
The Tony Hawking's Pro Cosmologist 2 playthrough was brilliant. More of that please!
Love the Steven Universe strays
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so does anyone know any NL like streamers that are playing this game that i can watch?
Yeah I tried watching peoples BG3 streams & I just could not sit through that shit. It’s a fantastic fucking game, I have hundreds of hours in it, but it can be unbelievably boring to watch somebody else play it.
I'm personally don't mind watching him play long games, but if I have missed the stream and vods, and so can only watch without chat - I lose a lot of interest. I know there is some site that saves chat of NL, but you can't really watch it on a phone.
Twitch VODs?
the first guy talking sounds EXACTLY like northern lion 5-10 years ago
Lae’zel missing a 95% chance is pretty common
You can't say he didn't try. His Midnight Suns playthrough was actually fun, but chat was horrendous and so were the views on the youtube videos.
its very sad though that he will never play one of the best games ever made just because it wont retain viewership stuff like that is why i could never be a streamer the sacrafice is too high
I mean it just depends on the type of person you are and the viewers you attract. There are plenty of people on youtube who in the past have posted long spanning games and gotten popular. Minecraft youtubers had potentially hundreds of episodes in a "series" and gotten far more popular than NL. NL has just gotten the reputation and viewer base of "play SAP over and over again".
His audience has a low attention span and probably just plays his shit in the background, so his content reflects that.
he likes euro board games??? I thought he was horrified by gaming systems and wanted an instant release dopamine button instead of video games
Euro games are kinda that, though.
No he's real for that.
I'd probably watch the first two whole videos, then skip to the parts of the game I personally enjoyed to see his reaction to, then watch the finale.
With a story driven game, there's not much in the way of allowing banter, because you need to care about the characters, and doing that in today's gaming landscape is impossible.
That's his job though, I'm bored of NL complaining that gaming has bad for ages while simultaneously not playing any of the stuff people are saying is good.
I would argue that larian games have plenty of space for banter but it's not a playthrough series type of game
@@deetsitmeisterjd Except you know it would dick his viewership on the main channel and take up a fair amount of time for little payoff.
I've been playing through it, Baldur's Gate is not an NL game. It's a 40+ Hour narrative heavy game.
id argue that playing longer games like this is fully dependant on your personality. A Minecraft youtuber "davidangel64" also known as "X" did a mass effect 1 playthrough back in the day on his youtube channel and it was fucking hilarious. He could make a funny joke about just about anything because he was a genuinely funny and eccentric guy. Northernlion can quip as good as anybody but at the end of the day he's just not that interesting so he cant do games like CRPG's. Youve got to be a certain kind of person to just be funny all the time no matter what. Basically a comedian that plays games.
I only watch Northern Lion play indie gamss because he makes the worst decisions, refuses to learn, and keeps trying the same thing over and over.
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What was that? I'm too busy playing BG3 to watch this video.
Respect. A good game for playing and enjoying in your own time, if you have time is not necessarily good for streaming. I may not necessarily agree but I understand the viewpoint.
Man, i'm this close to unsubbing to egg again.
I'm here for the combination of banter AND game, and he's coming out with these takes, and "gaming is having a down year", while also bombarding us with SAP weeklies.
If you're jaded and focusing only on viewership numbers, fine, but don't expect me to stay to watch you play PGA Tour while having a faux podcast style of vids.
Reminder: He dropped Darkest Dungeon 2.
Same. He dropped Wildfrost after giving it a thumbnail for ONE episode. FF16 isn't even that long and he saw "well I'm getting 25% of the viewership" but it would only be for a week but nah he can't even stick it out.
Everything is about money now, he just plays the same crap, the same 7-10k people want to watch.
@@deetsitmeisterjd look I'm not saying it's not just about the numbers. It is.
I'm just saying.
Maybe, just maybe: The numbers would go up if he played good stuff.
Anyhow I dropped him after noticing I hadn't watched a video of his in like a month or so.
I remember he had a siiiick streak not long ago of Dark Souls Randomizer, to SM64, to the beginning of SAP, to a bit of Peglin.
Shit was crazy.
I think NL should play The Dark Urge and ruin all the party members to make chat mad. Evil can be quite fun in BG3.
I want nl to banter. How can he banter when he is neck deep in baldur's gate.
That’s my point that so many viewers disagree with, if I want to watch a story game I’d rather watch a different streamer than NL.
@@mdaily318 his banter in combat would be legendary. But for ever fight theres three hours of story.
@@mdaily318I don't like any other streamer, they are all fucking annoying. NL is tolerable.
AC6 fans are shaking looking at these optics
Tldr nl hates his audience
HE HATES US!!!
UUUUUUUUUUUU
Honestly so based.
That's pretty fair
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so people would watch all 2000 episodes of isaac but not 100 episodes of BG3?
If he had to live off the amount of people who watched all 2000 episodes of Isaac he'd starve. It's also different because you can jump into any Isaac episode and not feel like you're missing out on anything, but if you jump into episode 4 of a playthrough of a story-driven game then you don't know what the fuck is going on.
@@Szanth I have no idea what’s going on in SAP cause of all the new stuff
@@super_7710 And yet you also don't need to know to be able to follow along, because it's not a storyline with specific events to miss. So if you miss today's episode and watch tomorrow's, you will have had the same quality of experience as you would if you'd just watched today's.
If you skip a narrative game's episode you no longer have any idea who anyone is or why they're saying what they're saying. You might be able to assume and pick it up along the way, but that's less satisfying of a narrative experience, which is what people generally go to narrative games for, at least partially.
This should be pretty easy to understand. They're very different games in very specific ways.
@@Szanthso just play mind numbing nothing burgers games so people can watch it I guess
@@DanTodd_ Roguelikes are good for me
Bro really said people dont wanna watch BG3 while hes over here playing golf...
Mundane games like golf or w/e have the benefit of being background noise while the streamer provides the entertainment. RPG's are full of cutscenes/lore that interrupt the streamer banter constantly.
@@Lockieez doesn’t change the fact that he’s objectively wrong. BG3 has been near the top of all streams since launch
Dope Nick Drake cover lol
I would watch him play Baldur Gate 2 though, now that I would watch a full playthrough of his. He should do a Marvel's midnight sun and play through the whole game anyway even though no one watching. Look him playing that for so long made me lose respect of his opinion for not playing long games when he spent a month on that. And he spent like years on SAP he's never getting to the end of that story (Kappa)
The problem is for every one viewer like you there are 20-30 more that would stop watching a longplay and just come back for youtube highlights.
you lost respect because he said guys this game is good and im really enjoying playing it and then kept playing it?
@@Binaeroooo77yeah, because it wasn't *his* long game, and he could only barely backseat that one.
Hes right. Im having a blast on my 4th playthrough, and i wouldn't be able to watch a playthrough myself
I think NL should play BG3 when he’s like 60 years old and has more time on his hands
Legendary clip at the end there, just as good as vinny muting viewfinder after hearing the writing.
I honestly never enjoyed the campaign rpg days, that’s not NL’s niche. He doesn’t let himself get immersed a lot of the time, so this isn’t a streamer I’d really wanna see playing a Larian game. Gimme card games and souls likes
Although not my style of content, the most interesting thing he does is the thornforg character. Just be a bastard, because he doesn't care about the characters, so lean into that.
bro roll a 1 on d20 in the first combat
Fair point, and it's good he understands and caters to his viewers.
Some other streamers have audiences that eat up long playthroughs of RPG's, such as Cohhcarnage - but that doesn't work for everyone
Can he miss with his takes?
How sad is it that you can't enjoy a masterpiece of a game just because your viewership would tank after 5 days.
Daph doin it right now, this just sad mane
Daph is also a much different streamer than NL, she has dialogues with chat and entertains but she isn’t always trying to be “on” like NL is. That’s just partly because she streams for longer hours than NL.
BGS3 needs commitment. For someone like NL, who flies from bit to bit in an attempt to keep viewership high and engaged, for someone who plays shorter games, this might be too much work. There are others that do it better. That convince you to stay. Go find them for yourself. Eggman will still be there playing round #45321 of SAP.
i think its very hypocritical to play midnight suns to the FULL WITH DLC and then not even try baldur's gate 3
BG3 stream where he skips all the dialogue in between turn based combat events sounds fun
Can you blame him? It was open season on all suckheads.
is that how he played Midnight Suns?@@cavemantoe6153
i started playing bd3 with a friend, we probably won't ever finish the game but the hours of questions we get to do together is still worth it?
it's like dnd IRL
Thats not what hypocritical means at all
fuck dude i was hoping he would play it so i dont have to :/
NL should take the Disney streaming approach, part1 for a little, then a break, then other parts debut down the line.
every single clip I see of NL now is him arguing or talking down to his stream
well the community also turns on each other by blaming "chat" for killing games when they are chat
How else do streamers interact with chat
"With jokes"
He's doing jokes the whole time
@@FennelRPG Yeah I also forgot he didn't literally do nothing but talk down to people and you're actually overblowing a nothing situation for no reason
He also talked about his ridiculous cake, go look at that clip, he doesn't talk down to anyone there
because the only clips you engage with are his incendiary takes, so more get served to you and you click, watch, AND comment/complain like the slop eater you are
NL is right. No chance I would watch him play BG3.
Hey librarian, why are the comments under this vid so weird? Also i can't even watch the streams cuz my college wifi blocks it😅
he’s so real for this
Oh yeah watching some play virtual fucking golf, man so much better!
I'd watch it :(
This makes streaming sound like a terrible job lol
Nick Drake outro made me feel stuff ❤️
Compared to the excitement and banter that comes from throwing dice and rolling a 1 when playing DnD with your friends I really dislike games that use critical failures in their systems so that you will never have a better chance than 95% to do something.
Probably one of the main reasons I never liked Xcom but loved Warhammer 40k Mechanicus.
Who?
He can obviously play what he wants but the fact that he played that abomination that was xmen and blade and all that shit but won't touch bg3 is wild
Totally agree regarding roleplaying games. If you miss even half an hour you could've missed some critical piece of lore making it hard to continue watching. That's why I don't watch any D&D stuff at all.
Yeah. I´m one of the probably few that does go back and watch 150 episodes of real DnD because I´m miserable and long for a DnD group of my own that I cannot have because it never fucking works out but even I would just go and play Original Sin or Baldurs Gate again for the 5th time rather than watch someone play it. Why not just experience it myself.
But I also don´t watch Twitch at all so maybe thats different.
They hate him cuz he’s right
baldur's gate? more like bald
I think there has been an oversaturation of isometric CRPG the past few years and i think i am just fatigued to play another atm (i just finished wasteland 3 and pillars of eternity 2 ) so i am probably going to play this later. I also didn't finish diving original sin yet 😂
As someone who loves CRPGs, BG3 was a breath of fresh air, so definitely give it a shot at some point. It combines the isometric CRPG with the cinematic experience of a AAA game and it makes a world of difference. It feels like Dragon Age: Origins in all the best ways. CRPG's often suffer from a lack of meaningful character interaction because they're reduced to a small portrait in a dialogue box and i had no idea how much of a difference that made until BG3.
Damn, all NL does is start arguments for no reason and he bans people for it. Dude has ironically weird thin skin about some things.
Who'd he ban. Name the people.
getting mad about random chatters being banned is much more of a thin skin than NL has lol, you weirdo.
there are so many chatters in NL's chat that absolutely deserve to be banned for their constant aggressive and stupid takes
@@FennelRPG and then doesn't ban them
So who the fuck are they talking about
@@FennelRPGif you didn't notice that a) no one was banned and b) he was wildly successful in his job doing so, providing entertainment, cf chat, you gotta get some priorities straightened out.
@@SzanthLiterally in this clip he talked about banning people that don't agree with him and then he almost banned another person on stream just for saying he will play SAP over and over again but not play something new.
(Plays FF16 for 6 hours, see the engagement decides he doesn't like the game. He has zero spine)
I do not understand how you can play 100s of hours of pet battle game, but I guess nl doin it fo his daughta. Streaming in general just looks miserable.
tbf SAP is pretty fun and gets regular update, besides that he barely needs to put any brainpower into playing it and can go off on a 20 minute tangent at any point without having to focus on playing
this was the worst modern era of NL facecam lighting. Based takes as always though, thanks for archiving this.
animal husbandry is crazy
Some games are just horrible stream games.
NL the type of guy to make 100+ episodes on D:OS2, but wont play BG3 even though it's literally made by the same studios. SMH
Respect to Quin69 to actually finishing the game and doing a lot of the content.