Just something I noticed, private matches also count for wins in battle records. I don't know how likely your opponents played private matches or does they also push your elo to next bracket. But maybe this info helps you
After I got my 5-streak for the event, I threw A LOT just to be cool. When the event was over, I played some more and it took a LONG time to get paired and I got matched with the same guy three times in a row. He conceded almost immediately two times and then we finally played a real match. It was then, that I knew there was a rhyme and reason to matchmaking. I won a few games, and then I got paired quickly again until it felt like a 50/50 win lose once more. So yeah, if you lose enough, it tries to give you easy games. And I'm betting if you win enough, you'll get harder match-ups.
Thanks for providing some anecdotes. We are certainly looking for data to support theories on ranks/ELO in the game, or perhaps just "win count". Help us figure it out by filling out the form forms.gle/HwBf8sZzjPoGompS8
I've threw 100s of games using mumu macros to afk battles and I still get matched instantly with high level accounts and their skill level seems to be similar. I think the amount of wins combined with account levels is more likely than actual mmr okay I just watched more of the vid and seems like you already realized this lmao
I found that after my girlfriend beat me at least a dozen times in a row (at Pokémon) on private battles I got much easier games when I started playing versus again. It could have just been a coincidence, but to me it seems like the private matches might affect the match making too
I've done testing similar in random match making in pocket as I wanted to provide data, which proves my theory that more skilled players match more skill and beginner matches beginner. I reached this curiosity as I noticed when queuing up in regular match making I would tend to always match opponents that were clearly thinking out their plays fully, which led to more challenging and downright & cutthroat games. In turn, leaving me more satisfied with the games as I enjoyed them much more and got a lot more out of them while molding my lines of play with numerous decks. Then this latest event came and as soon as I started to play my first match, it was pathetic compared to the games I was growing quite fond of in the last week or two prior to it starting. So I immediately start to pay close attention to my opponent's data after every match in the event as well as regular match making to draw a conclusion as to why this was happening, answer the question if it was just eventsthat allowed everyone to play everyone or if there was indeed some type of hidden rank in play to help keep players engaged and active. My main account which sits at close to 1000 wins was matching players who haven't reached 50 yet in the event while I couldn't find a player in regular match making with anything less than a few hundred. Literally, the lowest win amount among players in the normal que was 300 something while I'd be lucky to get a player in the event with 100, shit I'd not even seen 100 yet in the event and I'd played close to 15 matches at this point, quitting a large portion simply to collect data more efficiently. Granted this was all during the first few hours after the event dropped so I figured there is likely 3 or 4 different brackets in event match making with the rule to match the brackets below if none other could be found while keeping the rule for beginners to never match higher in order to keep players engaged instead of angry from getting obliterated. I was a bit surprised it would or was having trouble however with the event just arriving and I would imagine that's when the most players flood in to play instead of a smaller amount which it was feeling like had to be the case. Newer players would likely be more prone to "rage quitting" if getting matched against a whale account with a fully maxxed out mewtwo deck all decked out in sweet cosmetics while also getting to play only a few turns while taking no points and basically watching themselves get stomped on instead of feeling like they hold any chance of winning due to the face having opened a few packs in total compared to a more seasoned player having the full card pool at their disposal. To me, it was a good development decision if done this way as they could collect data on numerous points to help match a super competitive player, like myself, against others who seek improving their game above everything else. While, lets say, recognizing players who get angry quickly to help curve their "appetite" in game by matching them with an easier win after a loss or whatever. Literally anything they wanted to do there could be applied, all with the end goal of keeping players active for as long as possible, sinking that "hook" in deeper and deeper while their wallet get thicker and thicker. (App development 101) I'm not saying this is a part of the process, just a theory about a ranking system as if there is one that can't be seen then there is truly more aspects to said system than just brackets based on wins. I'd be willing to bet numerous categories exist in terms of whom matches who in match making because ranking systems in mobile apps serve one simple yet crucial role that is the entire purpose of the app to start with. If they implemented one rule to help surve this purpose then it's going to be alongside an entire system of rules to ensure efficiency. This one purpose im referencing here is collecting data to manipulate it users while collecting more data to keep it's users around. All coming back to every apps sole purpose, that literally all boils down to it's only purpose again, collection of it's most important, and let's be real here, the only data the development team truly cares about, the users banking/card info. Anywho now because I just experienced something that was not a coincidence I needed to start collecting data my damn self.. So I make an alt to see what happens there and as expected I matched new players again and again and again in both the event and regular match making. With the cap of players being what I guessed to be 30 as well due to me matching a 26 one time. While playing I matched no player over 10 in regular match making until I hit lv 5 then it raised again to 20 as the cap. (Again this is all speculation as i could totally be wrong here) During this time playing with my alt I encountered something I never encountered in the months playing this game, a message telling me I couldn't find a match and I know I've played a minimum of 1500 games with my main account, minimum. Crap, Anyways, I have more interesting data I'd love to share but this comment has turned into my entire lunch break and if I continue typing I won't have anything in my stomach leading me to be one of those players who quit play pocket due to not having a job and I had to sell my account in order to buy a tent and a straight talk phone and card so I could at least be homeless with a tent while, most importantly, starting a new pocket account to collect more data to determine the actual facts of match making instead of trying to guess with an absolute pathetic sample size of just a main account and 2 alts (lol) pce
This is awesome, thanks so much. Can you please do a deep dive into the coin flip cheat mechanic? There is a website that says they did testing, but it is SOOOO unsatisfying because they just assert and do not show any data. You have a great grasp of data collection and testing!...."Our team also conducted our own tests using the iPhone's Switch Control function to toss the coin multiple times in the same way during a Solo Match. Although the speed, rotation, and pattern were always consistent, the results still varied." But
In all events so far I noticed that after completing it, I was getting opponents with the completed event badge much more often. I'm not saying you go to a new bracket and can ONLY fight people who cleard the event because I've already played against people with the badge before getting it myself, but it defenetly makes a difference
Probably some kind of sbmm or eomm like call of duty. Skill based or engagement optimized matchmaking. They use an ai system to put you against someone similar while also giving you almost predetermined wins and losses if you don’t conform to there wishes
My conjecture is that once you have reached the max emblem in an event you will only be paired with others who have the emblem already to prevent gaming the system for others by auto conceding. I try to do that at every event once I have done my grind but nearly everyone I come across at that point are already showing the emblem off. So from now on I'll do some mass conceding before starting the grind.
It's not rare to play against someone using the max emblem without getting it yourself so it's not true that you will be playing ONLY those who got the emblem too. But I've also noticed that you get opponents with the emblem way more often, I also think that there is some influence in who you face
Just submitted very strange matchup. Level 38 with over 1000 wins. Got matched against player level 16 with only 13 wins. Got the screens of opponent's profile, altough not the "send thanks" screen after battle, I was too fast with closing opponent's profile and unfortunatly left the "send thanks" screen.
I tried getting the 20 wins to try this too, in the event i was getting matched against lvl 25-47 almost every game, couldnt win with my lvl 7 deck, then i switched to the beginner lobby and it was much more similar to my own account (lvl8-15) After 20 wins though i didnt manage to match against myslef in the tcg lobby wven after 50 tries. I am still only lvl 9 so maybe that matters too
10:37. You could just get cued into opponents with lower winrate percentage, which we can't tell by the sheer numbers of wins. I can have 100 wins but maybe I lost 500 and that would cue me into noobs above the treshhold circa >20 wins total.
We can only obtain data that we are given. So while percentage win rate may be important, we can only collect and analyse the data available to us. However, if we find that there *is* a correlation to win count, but it's a loose correlation, then the next natural assumption may be that win rate matters.
Yes, there is a ranking system. Same as you I had two alt accounts that matched together at one time and they’re both at one win I think from people conceding at the event since I don’t use them for pvp
This is outrageous!!! Cosmog is clearly the strongest. Deserves to be on top! Shocking tierlist 😱 Calyrex Shadow literally has grass type moves as it's weakness. (Gettit? Cuz it's a horse) Shaking my head* Jk jk don't report me. Technically it eats grass so should be strong... Hmmm
There is totally a hidden MMR system. I have an account that I've played since launch, with about a 62% win rate, every card, every emblem etc. Yes, I pay money. I'm an adult with a well paying job... I made a burner account to see if there were signs of an MMR. On my main, I only get queued into players with 300+ wins, level ~28 or above, and the competition is pretty good. Always tournament meta type decks, and skilled players overall. On the burner account, I played against total newbies with completely random decks, a low win amount, store emblems, etc. On a side note, on my main during that win streak event, I noticed a huge shift in opponent MMR, and secured that dumb emblem in 8 games. One loss due to Staru getting Misty Articuno'd (taste of my own medicine!) off the rip on game 3. I suspect the MMR was lowered or removed for that event queue.
We are updating and enforcing rules daily. However we are also getting new members daily. Our mods are working hard to ensure the safety and efficiency as much as possible. Unfortunately with massive demand for god packs that are hosted for free, this kind of thing is expected.
Is using one hourglass for stamina packs enough for the missions? I am planning on saving as much as possible for next expansion, but current missionas are asking for too much, even asks for a 5 packs with hourglasses which is too much for 6 days. So if I open one with less than an hour left in the timer it should count right. Happy New Year Brovinnie
you dont need to spend hourgasses to complete the misssions. you finish it for free with wonderpick, solo battle event, 2 daily free packs and the event mythical island packs
Just to clarify, even tho i said "2 daily packs" in my comment above. more explained is you dont need to spend hourglasses to complete the 5 pack mission. Don't even need to spend 1 hourglass.
If this ranking system is applied in badge event matches it is totally unfair! you should not be put at a disadvantage as a better player / have a more easy time just cause your a bad player! especially in a 5 win Badge PvP event! i really hope this isnt the case in these kind of events!
I have 700 wins and good winrate still get matched with people who have like 30 wins or less often. I think they do a system like pokemon unite to keep kids enjoying pvp, if you lose a couple games they give you a total noob to stomp 😂
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Just something I noticed, private matches also count for wins in battle records. I don't know how likely your opponents played private matches or does they also push your elo to next bracket. But maybe this info helps you
Sorry i made a little bit misinformation. Private match wins count for the "Won ... versus battles" achievement but not for the battle record
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After I got my 5-streak for the event, I threw A LOT just to be cool. When the event was over, I played some more and it took a LONG time to get paired and I got matched with the same guy three times in a row. He conceded almost immediately two times and then we finally played a real match. It was then, that I knew there was a rhyme and reason to matchmaking. I won a few games, and then I got paired quickly again until it felt like a 50/50 win lose once more. So yeah, if you lose enough, it tries to give you easy games. And I'm betting if you win enough, you'll get harder match-ups.
Explains why the cards I need to win are always on the bottom of my deck I guess 😂
Thanks for providing some anecdotes. We are certainly looking for data to support theories on ranks/ELO in the game, or perhaps just "win count". Help us figure it out by filling out the form forms.gle/HwBf8sZzjPoGompS8
I've threw 100s of games using mumu macros to afk battles and I still get matched instantly with high level accounts and their skill level seems to be similar. I think the amount of wins combined with account levels is more likely than actual mmr
okay I just watched more of the vid and seems like you already realized this lmao
@L3thalBows yep I also noticed throwing matches didn't seem to affect opponents matched. Still a mystery.
I found that after my girlfriend beat me at least a dozen times in a row (at Pokémon) on private battles I got much easier games when I started playing versus again. It could have just been a coincidence, but to me it seems like the private matches might affect the match making too
I've done testing similar in random match making in pocket as I wanted to provide data, which proves my theory that more skilled players match more skill and beginner matches beginner. I reached this curiosity as I noticed when queuing up in regular match making I would tend to always match opponents that were clearly thinking out their plays fully, which led to more challenging and downright & cutthroat games. In turn, leaving me more satisfied with the games as I enjoyed them much more and got a lot more out of them while molding my lines of play with numerous decks.
Then this latest event came and as soon as I started to play my first match, it was pathetic compared to the games I was growing quite fond of in the last week or two prior to it starting. So I immediately start to pay close attention to my opponent's data after every match in the event as well as regular match making to draw a conclusion as to why this was happening, answer the question if it was just eventsthat allowed everyone to play everyone or if there was indeed some type of hidden rank in play to help keep players engaged and active.
My main account which sits at close to 1000 wins was matching players who haven't reached 50 yet in the event while I couldn't find a player in regular match making with anything less than a few hundred. Literally, the lowest win amount among players in the normal que was 300 something while I'd be lucky to get a player in the event with 100, shit I'd not even seen 100 yet in the event and I'd played close to 15 matches at this point, quitting a large portion simply to collect data more efficiently. Granted this was all during the first few hours after the event dropped so I figured there is likely 3 or 4 different brackets in event match making with the rule to match the brackets below if none other could be found while keeping the rule for beginners to never match higher in order to keep players engaged instead of angry from getting obliterated. I was a bit surprised it would or was having trouble however with the event just arriving and I would imagine that's when the most players flood in to play instead of a smaller amount which it was feeling like had to be the case. Newer players would likely be more prone to "rage quitting" if getting matched against a whale account with a fully maxxed out mewtwo deck all decked out in sweet cosmetics while also getting to play only a few turns while taking no points and basically watching themselves get stomped on instead of feeling like they hold any chance of winning due to the face having opened a few packs in total compared to a more seasoned player having the full card pool at their disposal. To me, it was a good development decision if done this way as they could collect data on numerous points to help match a super competitive player, like myself, against others who seek improving their game above everything else. While, lets say, recognizing players who get angry quickly to help curve their "appetite" in game by matching them with an easier win after a loss or whatever. Literally anything they wanted to do there could be applied, all with the end goal of keeping players active for as long as possible, sinking that "hook" in deeper and deeper while their wallet get thicker and thicker. (App development 101) I'm not saying this is a part of the process, just a theory about a ranking system as if there is one that can't be seen then there is truly more aspects to said system than just brackets based on wins. I'd be willing to bet numerous categories exist in terms of whom matches who in match making because ranking systems in mobile apps serve one simple yet crucial role that is the entire purpose of the app to start with. If they implemented one rule to help surve this purpose then it's going to be alongside an entire system of rules to ensure efficiency. This one purpose im referencing here is collecting data to manipulate it users while collecting more data to keep it's users around. All coming back to every apps sole purpose, that literally all boils down to it's only purpose again, collection of it's most important, and let's be real here, the only data the development team truly cares about, the users banking/card info.
Anywho now because I just experienced something that was not a coincidence I needed to start collecting data my damn self.. So I make an alt to see what happens there and as expected I matched new players again and again and again in both the event and regular match making. With the cap of players being what I guessed to be 30 as well due to me matching a 26 one time. While playing I matched no player over 10 in regular match making until I hit lv 5 then it raised again to 20 as the cap. (Again this is all speculation as i could totally be wrong here) During this time playing with my alt I encountered something I never encountered in the months playing this game, a message telling me I couldn't find a match and I know I've played a minimum of 1500 games with my main account, minimum.
Crap, Anyways, I have more interesting data I'd love to share but this comment has turned into my entire lunch break and if I continue typing I won't have anything in my stomach leading me to be one of those players who quit play pocket due to not having a job and I had to sell my account in order to buy a tent and a straight talk phone and card so I could at least be homeless with a tent while, most importantly, starting a new pocket account to collect more data to determine the actual facts of match making instead of trying to guess with an absolute pathetic sample size of just a main account and 2 alts (lol) pce
This is awesome, thanks so much. Can you please do a deep dive into the coin flip cheat mechanic? There is a website that says they did testing, but it is SOOOO unsatisfying because they just assert and do not show any data. You have a great grasp of data collection and testing!...."Our team also conducted our own tests using the iPhone's Switch Control function to toss the coin multiple times in the same way during a Solo Match. Although the speed, rotation, and pattern were always consistent, the results still varied." But
Its an interesting topic. Will consider it.
In all events so far I noticed that after completing it, I was getting opponents with the completed event badge much more often. I'm not saying you go to a new bracket and can ONLY fight people who cleard the event because I've already played against people with the badge before getting it myself, but it defenetly makes a difference
I noticed this too. That’s why I didn’t auto-concede to help others. Cuz I thought it’s useless.
We will consider all possible scenarios including yours. We need more data submission still to make any conclusions.
Probably some kind of sbmm or eomm like call of duty. Skill based or engagement optimized matchmaking. They use an ai system to put you against someone similar while also giving you almost predetermined wins and losses if you don’t conform to there wishes
I regularly check my opponents. They almost always have around 200 wins or more and often the 3 best earnable emblems displayed, as have I.
My conjecture is that once you have reached the max emblem in an event you will only be paired with others who have the emblem already to prevent gaming the system for others by auto conceding. I try to do that at every event once I have done my grind but nearly everyone I come across at that point are already showing the emblem off. So from now on I'll do some mass conceding before starting the grind.
Only one way to tell... collect data for all emblem levels, and all pvp modes!
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It's not rare to play against someone using the max emblem without getting it yourself so it's not true that you will be playing ONLY those who got the emblem too. But I've also noticed that you get opponents with the emblem way more often, I also think that there is some influence in who you face
Just submitted very strange matchup. Level 38 with over 1000 wins. Got matched against player level 16 with only 13 wins. Got the screens of opponent's profile, altough not the "send thanks" screen after battle, I was too fast with closing opponent's profile and unfortunatly left the "send thanks" screen.
That would be quite an interesting data point
I tried getting the 20 wins to try this too, in the event i was getting matched against lvl 25-47 almost every game, couldnt win with my lvl 7 deck, then i switched to the beginner lobby and it was much more similar to my own account (lvl8-15)
After 20 wins though i didnt manage to match against myslef in the tcg lobby wven after 50 tries. I am still only lvl 9 so maybe that matters too
The matches definitely gets harder after you hit win 45. Both times my final 5 wins for the dust were the hardest.
10:37. You could just get cued into opponents with lower winrate percentage, which we can't tell by the sheer numbers of wins. I can have 100 wins but maybe I lost 500 and that would cue me into noobs above the treshhold circa >20 wins total.
We can only obtain data that we are given. So while percentage win rate may be important, we can only collect and analyse the data available to us.
However, if we find that there *is* a correlation to win count, but it's a loose correlation, then the next natural assumption may be that win rate matters.
Yes, there is a ranking system. Same as you I had two alt accounts that matched together at one time and they’re both at one win I think from people conceding at the event since I don’t use them for pvp
Doesn't seem to work for me.
Main at 326/672 and alt acc at 23/70
Increasing wins in alt is difficult already since I'm only using budget decks 😢
Do i lose my process if I don't claim and period ends?
Sorry I don't understand you question
I guess he meant progress, yes you loose the emblem event progress when it ends.
“Competitive events” 😂 I find so funny people cracking up an app that’s basically a virtual shop. Anyways, I’m subbing! 🤘
My main is over 100 and my alt only had 4 wins and I just matched them in beginner
in events you get matched based on badge anyways no?
This is outrageous!!! Cosmog is clearly the strongest. Deserves to be on top! Shocking tierlist 😱
Calyrex Shadow literally has grass type moves as it's weakness. (Gettit? Cuz it's a horse) Shaking my head*
Jk jk don't report me.
Technically it eats grass so should be strong... Hmmm
you guys never noticed the people you play against are usually high level?
There is totally a hidden MMR system. I have an account that I've played since launch, with about a 62% win rate, every card, every emblem etc. Yes, I pay money. I'm an adult with a well paying job... I made a burner account to see if there were signs of an MMR. On my main, I only get queued into players with 300+ wins, level ~28 or above, and the competition is pretty good. Always tournament meta type decks, and skilled players overall. On the burner account, I played against total newbies with completely random decks, a low win amount, store emblems, etc. On a side note, on my main during that win streak event, I noticed a huge shift in opponent MMR, and secured that dumb emblem in 8 games. One loss due to Staru getting Misty Articuno'd (taste of my own medicine!) off the rip on game 3. I suspect the MMR was lowered or removed for that event queue.
Please make more videos explaining wonder pick etiquette. Most people in the discord are clueless and just make it impossible for everyone
We are updating and enforcing rules daily. However we are also getting new members daily. Our mods are working hard to ensure the safety and efficiency as much as possible. Unfortunately with massive demand for god packs that are hosted for free, this kind of thing is expected.
All i know is that if u won too much suddenly you match with alot of weakness deck haha😊
Is using one hourglass for stamina packs enough for the missions? I am planning on saving as much as possible for next expansion, but current missionas are asking for too much, even asks for a 5 packs with hourglasses which is too much for 6 days. So if I open one with less than an hour left in the timer it should count right.
Happy New Year Brovinnie
you dont need to spend hourgasses to complete the misssions. you finish it for free with wonderpick, solo battle event, 2 daily free packs and the event mythical island packs
Yes one hourglass is enough for the boost stamina pack mission
6 days is 12 free packs so you should be able to open 5 packs within those 6 days?
Just to clarify, even tho i said "2 daily packs" in my comment above. more explained is you dont need to spend hourglasses to complete the 5 pack mission. Don't even need to spend 1 hourglass.
W video
I started playing this game to get away from SBMM 😔
If this ranking system is applied in badge event matches it is totally unfair! you should not be put at a disadvantage as a better player / have a more easy time just cause your a bad player! especially in a 5 win Badge PvP event! i really hope this isnt the case in these kind of events!
We won't know unless we collect data
forms.gle/HwBf8sZzjPoGompS8
There is no ranking system lol. Just people playing the game
After 1k vs wins, i can say, u are right. My Id : 1655384437330614, happy New year all!
I have 700 wins and good winrate still get matched with people who have like 30 wins or less often. I think they do a system like pokemon unite to keep kids enjoying pvp, if you lose a couple games they give you a total noob to stomp 😂
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