When he was talking about cheating for a class b offense, it showed Nate Sexton tossing Uli’s disc in a practice round on jomez! 😂 Then even better than that was the montage of James Conrad’s habitual violation of courtesy rules when he was flipping out on trees, branches and grass. 😆
The big part you neglected to mention about JohnE'S marshall incident is that she couldn't second it because she wasn't in a position to make the call. She was over 60' away. Not paying attention is one thing as a player, not in the vicinity as a PDGA marshall is a dereliction of her job at the time.
She's a Dim Wit Half Wit Fluffy Duffy with No Business Ever Being a Course Marshall. The PDGA is Not The PGA the D in there is For Dumb ....do this long enough and You will see the dumbest stunts and Idgets in positions of cluelessness.
And, if we are to believe what people there are saying, she was on her phone? If that is true WOW! You have one job! I get that we are all attached to our digital tethers, but there are times and places you need to cut the cord.
@@triz313 I can't speak to what she was doing, be it on the phone or not. I can say that during the live video that Kevin Gleason was shooting, it took her over 35 seconds to get to the disc after the call was made. You can see her walking up to it almost instantly after the call as Kevin panned the video, looking for her. That is unacceptable. With Robert standing directly behind the action, unable to make a call, the situation is set up for failure.
On the second two they potentially got it right but definitely not on the first one. A one year suspension for embezzling money, stealing from members? That is a joke.
What remedy do the players and PDGA members have, when the PDGA official who receives a salary and an all-expense paid trip to the tournament in exchange for fulfilling one responsibility, completely fails in that responsibility by not paying attention to tournament play when she was needed most, during a 2-person playoff where there is no other player on the card to second a call? Is she subject to disciplinary action? Should she reimburse the organization for the expenses it paid to have her there: travel, food, lodging, clothing?
If you gave Ray a class E, and didn't reinstate him until all fees are paid in full, wouldn't that be tantamount to a lifetime ban? So, giving him a class B would allow him to be reinstated more "easily"?
Because using money now for other things when you have more coming in later is very common Nothing says that it's the same exact bills paying for the player packs Meanwhile Nikko is well known for being the worst acting player in all of Disc golf
@@dr.ew88 I can't tell if you're joking because of your "lol". He placed 12 at worlds this year. I was bringing him up because dildoswaggings said Nikko was the worst acting pro. I just thought running over a guy in your touring RV and running away for a couple days is a bit worse. But I will say Josh was the best Disc golfer out on bail. Also he said he was gonna remove a tattoo that says whitepride but won't
Thanks for the look into these decisions. As a former TD, I know that things are not exactly as they seem, and some people have ulterior motives for some complaints and observations. However, I believe that the PDGA has more information than we have here, and, as such, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt in the accuracy of their decisions. The game is changing, from the 1970's, when I started playing DG, to what it is today, and the PDGA has to change with it. I think they have the best of the sport and competition in mind.
By not handing Jonathan Ray a lifetime ban, the PDGA just opened the door for the next big money heist of player entry fees in the future. J Ray’s slap on the wrist is now a past practice case and will be set as a means to navigate a loop hole in the system.
eric is the kind of guy on a card who is the "friendliest" and most "complimentary" and would be considered one of the more positive guys, but when things go poorly for him, he goes too extreme in showing his anger, so as he is extremely nice and complimentary, he can also go extremely angry and babyish. he just lives on the further sides of emotion, and needs to be more like calvin, more even keel
He's classic Two Face. Super friendly when there's a crowd around. Full of cursing and complaining when there's minimal to no gallery. Lately I try to avoid following his card, even if the other guys on the card are great.
Another excellent video. Thanks! You didn't mention what constitutes a violation of the probation or the consequences for violating probation in these two cases. Would love to hear your thoughts on these.
I love your videos. Thank you for all the great work. I have concerns about the current organizational structure of the PDGA. The process where the Chairman is appointed and subsequently selects three assistants to make decisions seems to lack sufficient democratic input. Could we consider an alternative structure, such as a representative board composed of 12 active players, elected through a confidential voting process? This would ensure a broader range of player perspectives are considered in the decision-making process. Also, on sensitive topics like the inclusion of transgender athletes in events, it's crucial that the governance reflects the views of the majority, as opposed to a small minority. The current system might not adequately balance these interests. A more representative board could address such issues with greater fairness and inclusivity.
After hearing why Eric got suspended it’s crazy for me to think of how Nikki Locastro isn’t put “under investigation” because specifically late rounds of USDGC he was acting absolutely uncalled for.
Oakley is honestly worse than Nikko in terms of the rage. Its an almost constant thing during the round no matter what is going on. Misses a 90 footer = freakout, hits a tree = freakout, MAKES a one chain putt = freakout. Nikko at least is kind of aware of it and only freaks out during bad plays but oakleys issue is more of an undiagnosed rage disorder type of thing
@@cromandum217Who F-ing cares how he acts as long as he doesn’t direct it at anyone. Anyone who played sports has seen that behavior numerous times. I don’t take it personally, because they clearly are mad at themselves and not who they are competing against. I went golfing one time with my dad and a couple of his friends. One of the guys was having a bad round and on one of the last holes he threw his club like 100’. I just laughed at him and he didn’t get mad at me at all. In fact it cheered him up a little. Does it kind of suck to play with someone being so negative? Sure. Do I let it affect me? Absolutely not! Let them embarrass themselves. Does any other sport discipline this type of behavior? They don’t as long as they don’t direct it at other people. Like when that WR (can’t remember his name) took his helmet off and threw it at the ground and it bounced back up and hit him in the face. Instant karma and hilarious. Better give him a 6 month to 1 year suspension? Ridiculous. The Nikko one made sense because he directed it at someone.
@@cromandum217 Thin skin. Part of the point I was trying to make was people can’t deal with any adversity anymore. It should make you better. To not let anything bother you. I like to watch bowling on TV and think it’s ridiculous when a pro bowler freaks out when they hear a tiny little sound. Dude you’re a pro bowler. I should be able to stand on the lane screaming at you and have zero affect on how you perform. I always liked in the movie For The Love of The Game when it shows how his character completely shuts everything out when he’s pitching. This has always been part of sports and life. I agree they should be talked to and given warnings, but not just give them a season long suspension. Fines should come first. It’s technically taking free speech away. Again as long as it’s not directed at anyone, let them have a melt down and watch them dig their own hole.
I didn't actually "meet" Eric, but I was about 40' from him when he was at his booth to sign autographs after a tournament. He was whining and complaining about something so rather than get in the 0 people in line to get his autograph, I just kept walking lol. Literally EVERY pro disc golfer I have met or come in contact with has been absolutely cool and personable. Both MPO and FPO. I met Nikko a few times and even had a brief encounter on one of the holes he was playing and he was an incredibly cool dude.
the b-roll on this video is much appreciated. i saw that terry moment live, i swear he kicked that disc in, he said he was just fixing the line, it made zero sense
Did the PDGA get it right with these disciplinary actions? JRay - yes by his own admission in fact, I thought he got off easy but I'll buy some plastic from him because he's always shot straight with me. JohnE - no! since there were only two players and the PDGA official was over 200 feet away talking instead of doing their job, the suspension should have gone to the official. Only when he raised his voice did the official notice something was amiss. Eric O. - it's really unfortunate that he allows himself to become so upset over a game, dude, take up fishing and hang out with some old people - come by my place and you can do both.
Eric absolutely does need to do something to get the anger under control. For the guys playing on the tour though it's not a game anymore, it's a job and this is their livelihood so the pressure is way elevated. I hope he gets it sorted out.
Lol I was on a card with JohnE at a dubs round at Limona. The course he designed. He called a foot fault on a kid that no one else agreed with. Then went ape shit when he took the putt. We all looked at him cross eyed. Then after taking his last shot of the round, he turns around and yells at us "you guys should shut the F up when I'm throwing." We all were like "WTF JohnE? You waited all round to complain about this?" He obviously won dubs handily. His teammate came up to me after the round and asked "do all pros act like this?" Fucking embarrassment.
As much as I like Eric, he and McCray need anger management training. That being said, yes they got their punishments right. As for Ray, it should be longer.
On Nov 17 2018, I reported to the PDGA board a Very well known TD who still host major events, was holding charity events and not donating the money as advertised. I did all the leg work to find out how much money he donated, he tried to convince the charity to keep it a secret and would only do it in cash. The Board swept it under the rug and refused to take any action or investigation. I also reported it to the local DG club, they did take it serious required the TD attendance for a meeting investigating it, and the TD failed to show up and lost a Major Tourney because of it.
Whoa! Does this suggest that there may come a time when time violations have actual consequences? Maybe not as harsh as the NBA 24-second violation. But perhaps far greater consequences than getting mentioned in social media.
Spectators at the masters incident reported that the Marshal for his card was not even present at the time of the incident or paying attention. I'd be hot as well.
I was there I caddy for Johne. Barry definitely made a foot fault. It was the PDGA fault for not properly doing their job. It was a bad setup and Johne got the worst end he shouldn’t have. He showed the official respect it was a women Johne would never disrespect a women
Hearing how Eric acted makes me sad, because just as mentioned in the video, when I met him he was absolutely one of the nicest professional disc golfers I ever met.
No surprise here. He's classic Two Face. Super friendly when there's a crowd around. Full of cursing and complaining when there's minimal to no gallery. Lately I try to avoid following his card, even if the other guys on the card are great.
Pdga is a joke and has been for awhile. We as fans need a better governing organizations. The JohnE incident were the pdga offical was out of position just shows the level of care they have. Players shouldnt be responsible for enforcing the rules against competitors.
@@kennykwong1028 the fans are the ones that are financially supporting the pdga, the tour, pro players, the disc manufacturers so dont act like the fans are useless. do you think any of those things would exist without the fans?
How does the PGA Tour do this stuff, disc golf needs to adopt it their model cause this happens OFTEN, where tournaments are setup by people and those tournaments get canceled because the TD cant do it for some reason. Then PDGA has the terrible rule that TD's can't be exchanged with another TD. Atleast thats what my hometown TD said. AND no sponsors of the tournaments were paid their money back nor the people who signed up to play. 6 Tournies, THE ENTIRE SEASON for my city all 6 competitions canceled. it was disheartening. and if its happening on the Masters, it most DEFINITELY is happening smaller scale. PDGA needs smarter people running it.
I know it looks funny, but he was actually marking where it went OB with a stick if I remember correctly. I don't remember which tournament it was, but the live commentators jokingly asked him at the time if he was kicking the disc back inbounds. I believe the disc remained out, which would make it pretty clearcut.
I had an incident with McCray at the Hall of Fame Classic in 2018. I was standing 50 feet or more away from #14 tee pad filming the MPO tee off for a couple of cards. McCray's card also have Eagle McMahon, Paul McBeth, and Ricky Wysocki. Eagle and Paul teed off without issue. JohnE teed off, without ever looking in my direction until after he saw his disc land, and then threw a fit bc of where I was at and wanted me to move. I said no, i'm fine. Wysocki said he was fine, and teed off no problem. I have video of the whole card's tee shots. Just clips of them throwing, and it looks like I'm closer than where I'm standing bc I was zoomed in. I was using my phone, so not a big camera rig or anything. There were a dozen people standing right next to the tee pad on the other side of the cross ties that act as a retaining wall, and he said nothing to all of them. So yeah, JohnE is a dick on the course.
Something else which is interesting, is that U.W.S. got a 2 year + 12 months for an E-class offense. In fact, this was an A-class offense, as he was punching someone immediately after the last putt of the round. It's interesting that a mistake like that is been published, and even more because his name is misspelled as well.
Stop pretending the pdga operates fairly or by a standardized set of rules. First off, there are no objective rules in disc golf because the sport is self policing and players lie. Second the disciplinary process has zero transparency from complainants to who they are complaining about, zero. In real law, where fairness is valued, people have a right to see complaints levied against them to properly answer, the pdga will NOT show you those complaints and thus you will not have a clue on what specifically to answer to. Lastly, the disciplinary board including Robert leonard are a JOKE of a group of people, anonymous, allowing them to hand out punishments like they spin a wheel. I was attacked by dahlin boenke and Jerome Knott at an event because Jerome wanted to run his mouth and lied about me stealing discs, dahlin pled guilty to a misdemeanor and Jerome and goons used pdga banned language and hate speech. Dahlin got 6 months suspension for class a violation. Jerome got 6 months probation for class c. And another individual the pdga refused to try to identify. But my mean words got me the same punishment as j ray. There is no standard, fairness, or objective bias in these fart knockers decisions. This system cuddles crybabies and cowards who would rather complain after the fact than approach someone on the card.
PDGA definitely lost my money with this decision, although I only ever really got my membership with the dgn discount in mind. The sad truth is that the j ray situation is probably far more common than we think but those guys just haven’t gone under yet.
I honestly think the TD probation was fair because that was a major offense. McRae and Oakley....9 months and 12 months just seems very harsh. The guys make their living from this. Like Nikko's case, nobody got punched or hurt in any way. It's harsh. I would say a one or two month suspension from times they always play would be sufficient. A year seems like overkill.
What is disciplinary action taken for PDGA Marshall lagging back and not watching masters Championship, JohnE understandably does get frustrated when gets screwed over, with PDGA rules not getting enforced . He's had calls on him, but rarely on opponents. This was a major, come on man.
Until the PDGA gets officials on each card there will be controversy. It ridiculous to force players to call fouls on each other. How can the PDGA levy a harsh penalty on JohnE when they weren’t even represented on the hole? It’s therefore hearsay.
As much as I HATE to agree w/ Robert Leonard (on anything) for numerous reasons I have to say that each of these penalties are fully warranted. Anyone who has seen each of these individuals on the course knows how lucky they are to get off with what they did.
That’s for them to know, they have no obligation to make it public. Just cuz you don’t know the details as a nobody sitting in your basement doesn’t mean they don’t know exactly what they’re doin
Well, there is some obvious information. If you write a letter of apology (to the Maine tournament committee), isn't that tantamount to admitting poor behavior?
Oakley doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I've been saying for years that he doesn't deserve to be a touring pro with the way he acts on the course.
Sounds like for Oakley they took the "admission of guilt" when he apologized through social media within a pattern in mind instead of actually conducting an in person investigation to the claims.
I'm sure they interviewed the people who reported the repeated misconduct. What kind of "in person investigation" are you expecting besides that? Eric's been acting like this on tour for years.
Class D offenses go on all of the time at the tournaments. TD's are not going to call anyone on their drugs or drinking because they are doing it too. I suspect many of these discgolf shops/clubs/TD's are simply drug fronts/money laundering mechanisms. The suspect drug front TD's/shops never have prices on anything and their player packs are super lame and consist of old outdated stock they dump on players. Florida has this going on.
I stand behind not letting unhealthy people run things for other people. They wont take care of themselves, why trust them with other people? Seems obvious. Stealing is not illegal for incumbents eh? I LOVE how if someone else jacked the money the police get called, but the incumbents get a slap on the wrist 😂
the pdga lost all it's credibility when they allowed people to play in the FPO that were not females. Just because you say you are a cat, doesn't mean you are actually a cat. SMH
So can Jonathan Ray be charged criminally? It seems 30 grand of missing money would be a very serious crime, embezzlement or fraud maybe? Not super hip to legal terms but it seems a crime was committed. Eric has been a headcase for years. I was never a fan but dude looks like he could use some mental health help for sure.
If you’re going to be a professional athlete act like it. You shouldn’t behave like a child when you’re on the course. This is what my coaches in Jr High and Highschool taught us back in the 70s so we wouldn’t act poorly when we were adults. One may not always agree with the rules but if one knows them, one should know the consequences of not following them. Unfortunately life is not always fair. Just my two cents.
I understand where you’re coming from and I agree with sports and emotion. It’s when the professionals start acting like spoiled brats. For me that’s a little to much and unnecessary in my opinion. To each their own. Thanks for your reply and voicing your opinion. I can respect that.
People with tempers never change. Oakley is a repeat offender. It's no surprise he is being cited again after saying "I can only control how I behave moving forward". Only question is, when is the next big nikko incident. Anyone who believes he's changed is a fool.
It was apparently him marking where the disc went out of bounds, and I'm guessing there wasn't a spotter nearby. That's what I'm getting from the comments by people who saw it happen.
I still cannot comprehend how Nikko got away with a half year suspension (largely off season) after insulting the Marshall Matej Verl. That was simply wrong.
Not really an issue at the touring pro level, but there are thousands of cranky dudes that will complain if you so much as even hit a quick little weed vape on their card at a sanctioned tourney, even a C-Tier
PDGA claims they follow WADA, but they don't actually test anyone... 1 - It's expensive, 2 - They know a sizeable portion of the pro field would probably test positive for recreational drugs, so they ignore it, 3 - PEDs are probably not that big of an advantage in disc golf, though they could still be an advantage
@@edwardspan396 PDGA says they follow WADA but they really don't... They don't have the money for testing and they know a sizable portion of the pro field would all test positive for recreational drugs, so they just ignore it.
He is a lawyer, and he does a lot with the disc golf industry in general, but to my knowledge he doesn't "work for" the PDGA. In fact, I have never heard him say anything that puts him as any kind of direct representative of the PDGA, and he has in fact been quite critical in many cases of their handling of things, and just like this one, criticizing vague terminology like reasonable, and explaining how it seems that their definition of reasonable differs from his.
Incredible editing. Love the James Conrad rage monster inside joke
@@JaredTG. James doesn't like the meme and has been vocal about how it effects him
@@alexrosas9827 thats exactly what an unhinged rage monster would say
@@alexrosas9827he needs to chill. It's because we like him a lot and because he's so cool that it's funny
@@alexrosas9827 I know that. That doesn't mean I don't find I humorous. I don't bring it up these days, but to see it was a fun flashback.
hhaha yeah
Your outstanding choices in b-roll put this video in the top 10 funniest disc golf videos of all time. Wonderfully ironic, considering the subject. 😂
So good... well done with the brilliant edits. The sexual harrasment one got me laughing early!
Ohn chugging beer 😂
When he was talking about cheating for a class b offense, it showed Nate Sexton tossing Uli’s disc in a practice round on jomez! 😂 Then even better than that was the montage of James Conrad’s habitual violation of courtesy rules when he was flipping out on trees, branches and grass. 😆
haha the nefarious Ohn Scoggins consuming the substance of alcohol, smuggled into her trophy no less!
I mean this is how people want to ingest “dryer” material…with jokes.
This channel is underrated for sure.
The big part you neglected to mention about JohnE'S marshall incident is that she couldn't second it because she wasn't in a position to make the call. She was over 60' away. Not paying attention is one thing as a player, not in the vicinity as a PDGA marshall is a dereliction of her job at the time.
So what penalty did the Non existent Marshall receive?
That's fkt up
She's a Dim Wit Half Wit Fluffy Duffy with No Business Ever Being a Course Marshall. The PDGA is Not The PGA the D in there is For Dumb ....do this long enough and You will see the dumbest stunts and Idgets in positions of cluelessness.
And, if we are to believe what people there are saying, she was on her phone? If that is true WOW! You have one job! I get that we are all attached to our digital tethers, but there are times and places you need to cut the cord.
@@triz313 I can't speak to what she was doing, be it on the phone or not. I can say that during the live video that Kevin Gleason was shooting, it took her over 35 seconds to get to the disc after the call was made. You can see her walking up to it almost instantly after the call as Kevin panned the video, looking for her. That is unacceptable. With Robert standing directly behind the action, unable to make a call, the situation is set up for failure.
I can see where McCray's frustration comes from. The official had one job which she failed to do properly.
On the second two they potentially got it right but definitely not on the first one. A one year suspension for embezzling money, stealing from members? That is a joke.
What remedy do the players and PDGA members have, when the PDGA official who receives a salary and an all-expense paid trip to the tournament in exchange for fulfilling one responsibility, completely fails in that responsibility by not paying attention to tournament play when she was needed most, during a 2-person playoff where there is no other player on the card to second a call? Is she subject to disciplinary action? Should she reimburse the organization for the expenses it paid to have her there: travel, food, lodging, clothing?
This kind of shit shows how amateur the pdge/ tour still is.
thanks for the informative concise breakdown. and the editing is hilarious also!
Your research and insight are much appreciated. Thank you!
I love the analysis between disc golf and law. I just need to find a job that allows me to do both.
If you gave Ray a class E, and didn't reinstate him until all fees are paid in full, wouldn't that be tantamount to a lifetime ban? So, giving him a class B would allow him to be reinstated more "easily"?
I worry this, especially if average players aren't aware of his new reputation as a scammer.
The same thought occurred to me. It seems the class B penalty was applied to allow him to come back at some point and reduce his punishment.
Wasn't it only 30k? Did I miss something?
@@tehpsalmist "only" 30k that he STOLE
@@markmcgarity My point was that that sum is well within the possibility of being paid back.
Cant wait for your video on the Balance
Nikko got a worse punishment for arguing with a guy than the guy who stole $27,000. Ridiculous.
Because using money now for other things when you have more coming in later is very common
Nothing says that it's the same exact bills paying for the player packs
Meanwhile Nikko is well known for being the worst acting player in all of Disc golf
@@bilboswaggingsglad you think Nikkos altercation is worse than Josh murking a guy
How's that?
@alexrosas9827 why you bringin up old shit? Lol leave that man alone. Is he even playing anymore? Plus that wasn't technically "in disc golf".
@@dr.ew88 I can't tell if you're joking because of your "lol". He placed 12 at worlds this year. I was bringing him up because dildoswaggings said Nikko was the worst acting pro. I just thought running over a guy in your touring RV and running away for a couple days is a bit worse. But I will say Josh was the best Disc golfer out on bail. Also he said he was gonna remove a tattoo that says whitepride but won't
grown adults throwing tantrums deserve time-outs
yeah… right… like in every sport worth a shit?
Time-outs, yes. A year long time-out? That's a bit much
It's probation...
@@LiopleurodonJuice good. Thank you. I didn't hear that part
@@LiopleurodonJuice I thought it was a suspension
I don't think I will sleep tonight after watching James Conrad go ballistic.
Thanks for the look into these decisions. As a former TD, I know that things are not exactly as they seem, and some people have ulterior motives for some complaints and observations. However, I believe that the PDGA has more information than we have here, and, as such, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt in the accuracy of their decisions. The game is changing, from the 1970's, when I started playing DG, to what it is today, and the PDGA has to change with it. I think they have the best of the sport and competition in mind.
James Conrad- The habitual line stepper😂😂
Nature abuser!! How many trees and branches has he slapped? Harasser James!!
By not handing Jonathan Ray a lifetime ban, the PDGA just opened the door for the next big money heist of player entry fees in the future. J Ray’s slap on the wrist is now a past practice case and will be set as a means to navigate a loop hole in the system.
What he did is beyond egregious
eric is the kind of guy on a card who is the "friendliest" and most "complimentary" and would be considered one of the more positive guys, but when things go poorly for him, he goes too extreme in showing his anger, so as he is extremely nice and complimentary, he can also go extremely angry and babyish. he just lives on the further sides of emotion, and needs to be more like calvin, more even keel
He's classic Two Face. Super friendly when there's a crowd around. Full of cursing and complaining when there's minimal to no gallery. Lately I try to avoid following his card, even if the other guys on the card are great.
Another excellent video. Thanks! You didn't mention what constitutes a violation of the probation or the consequences for violating probation in these two cases. Would love to hear your thoughts on these.
I love your videos. Thank you for all the great work. I have concerns about the current organizational structure of the PDGA. The process where the Chairman is appointed and subsequently selects three assistants to make decisions seems to lack sufficient democratic input.
Could we consider an alternative structure, such as a representative board composed of 12 active players, elected through a confidential voting process? This would ensure a broader range of player perspectives are considered in the decision-making process.
Also, on sensitive topics like the inclusion of transgender athletes in events, it's crucial that the governance reflects the views of the majority, as opposed to a small minority. The current system might not adequately balance these interests. A more representative board could address such issues with greater fairness and inclusivity.
@@DiscOutpost well said, that struck me as a little odd as well. Putting a ton of trust into one person
name one democratic organization with any level of power.......im waiting. see you cant do it
After hearing why Eric got suspended it’s crazy for me to think of how Nikki Locastro isn’t put “under investigation” because specifically late rounds of USDGC he was acting absolutely uncalled for.
Oakley is honestly worse than Nikko in terms of the rage. Its an almost constant thing during the round no matter what is going on. Misses a 90 footer = freakout, hits a tree = freakout, MAKES a one chain putt = freakout. Nikko at least is kind of aware of it and only freaks out during bad plays but oakleys issue is more of an undiagnosed rage disorder type of thing
@@cromandum217 interesting I didn’t know it was that bad
@@cromandum217Who F-ing cares how he acts as long as he doesn’t direct it at anyone. Anyone who played sports has seen that behavior numerous times. I don’t take it personally, because they clearly are mad at themselves and not who they are competing against.
I went golfing one time with my dad and a couple of his friends. One of the guys was having a bad round and on one of the last holes he threw his club like 100’. I just laughed at him and he didn’t get mad at me at all. In fact it cheered him up a little.
Does it kind of suck to play with someone being so negative? Sure. Do I let it affect me? Absolutely not! Let them embarrass themselves.
Does any other sport discipline this type of behavior? They don’t as long as they don’t direct it at other people. Like when that WR (can’t remember his name) took his helmet off and threw it at the ground and it bounced back up and hit him in the face. Instant karma and hilarious. Better give him a 6 month to 1 year suspension? Ridiculous.
The Nikko one made sense because he directed it at someone.
@@96stealth what a crazy essay to write. No one likes playing with a rage monster. It is disrespectful of your card mates, plain and simple
@@cromandum217 Thin skin. Part of the point I was trying to make was people can’t deal with any adversity anymore. It should make you better. To not let anything bother you.
I like to watch bowling on TV and think it’s ridiculous when a pro bowler freaks out when they hear a tiny little sound. Dude you’re a pro bowler. I should be able to stand on the lane screaming at you and have zero affect on how you perform.
I always liked in the movie For The Love of The Game when it shows how his character completely shuts everything out when he’s pitching.
This has always been part of sports and life. I agree they should be talked to and given warnings, but not just give them a season long suspension. Fines should come first. It’s technically taking free speech away. Again as long as it’s not directed at anyone, let them have a melt down and watch them dig their own hole.
How did you even find all those clips to edit in? Incredible work.
the b-roll may be the a-roll in this case 🤣
I didn't actually "meet" Eric, but I was about 40' from him when he was at his booth to sign autographs after a tournament. He was whining and complaining about something so rather than get in the 0 people in line to get his autograph, I just kept walking lol. Literally EVERY pro disc golfer I have met or come in contact with has been absolutely cool and personable. Both MPO and FPO. I met Nikko a few times and even had a brief encounter on one of the holes he was playing and he was an incredibly cool dude.
the b-roll on this video is much appreciated. i saw that terry moment live, i swear he kicked that disc in, he said he was just fixing the line, it made zero sense
terry is garbage
Did the PDGA get it right with these disciplinary actions? JRay - yes by his own admission in fact, I thought he got off easy but I'll buy some plastic from him because he's always shot straight with me. JohnE - no! since there were only two players and the PDGA official was over 200 feet away talking instead of doing their job, the suspension should have gone to the official. Only when he raised his voice did the official notice something was amiss. Eric O. - it's really unfortunate that he allows himself to become so upset over a game, dude, take up fishing and hang out with some old people - come by my place and you can do both.
Eric absolutely does need to do something to get the anger under control. For the guys playing on the tour though it's not a game anymore, it's a job and this is their livelihood so the pressure is way elevated. I hope he gets it sorted out.
@@zondar7794 if it is his job, he needs to be fired..how in the world do these guys tour and NEVER cash?
@@markmcgarity trust fund babies
you do business with a fraudster? why would anyone come by your place?
I've known and played with johnE for 18yrs... if there was a reason for his actions... then it's legitimate...bad call PDGA
Lol I was on a card with JohnE at a dubs round at Limona. The course he designed. He called a foot fault on a kid that no one else agreed with. Then went ape shit when he took the putt. We all looked at him cross eyed. Then after taking his last shot of the round, he turns around and yells at us "you guys should shut the F up when I'm throwing." We all were like "WTF JohnE? You waited all round to complain about this?" He obviously won dubs handily. His teammate came up to me after the round and asked "do all pros act like this?" Fucking embarrassment.
As much as I like Eric, he and McCray need anger management training. That being said, yes they got their punishments right.
As for Ray, it should be longer.
Can't wait for you to get laid, bro.
On Nov 17 2018, I reported to the PDGA board a Very well known TD who still host major events, was holding charity events and not donating the money as advertised. I did all the leg work to find out how much money he donated, he tried to convince the charity to keep it a secret and would only do it in cash. The Board swept it under the rug and refused to take any action or investigation. I also reported it to the local DG club, they did take it serious required the TD attendance for a meeting investigating it, and the TD failed to show up and lost a Major Tourney because of it.
Whoa! Does this suggest that there may come a time when time violations have actual consequences? Maybe not as harsh as the NBA 24-second violation. But perhaps far greater consequences than getting mentioned in social media.
Spectators at the masters incident reported that the Marshal for his card was not even present at the time of the incident or paying attention.
I'd be hot as well.
Oakley and Ray ban?
I understand about J Ray, Eric's ban is interesting 🤔
@@pbgamble Must be they're glasses
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I was there I caddy for Johne. Barry definitely made a foot fault. It was the PDGA fault for not properly doing their job. It was a bad setup and Johne got the worst end he shouldn’t have. He showed the official respect it was a women Johne would never disrespect a women
Does anyone go to spectate a tournament to watch Eric Oakley anyway?
Oakley is a straight up d bag at times, I only had to watch him play a few times to see it…
Hearing how Eric acted makes me sad, because just as mentioned in the video, when I met him he was absolutely one of the nicest professional disc golfers I ever met.
No surprise here. He's classic Two Face. Super friendly when there's a crowd around. Full of cursing and complaining when there's minimal to no gallery. Lately I try to avoid following his card, even if the other guys on the card are great.
Eric is SO loud on the course... very uncomfortable. I don't agree with him being nice and I think he's a completly different man off-camera.
100%
I think the pdga is wrong for Johnny and Eric’s suspension especially Johnnys
Good vid
Do the PDGA not have to be transparent in their findings to their members.
But why?
Because we say so!
But Why?...
BECAUSE. So there!
Pdga is a joke and has been for awhile. We as fans need a better governing organizations. The JohnE incident were the pdga offical was out of position just shows the level of care they have. Players shouldnt be responsible for enforcing the rules against competitors.
Don't get me started on the JRay situation. He should be suspended until he pays back evey penny.
Maybe these fans you're talking about can make their own version of the pdga
@@kennykwong1028 the fans are the ones that are financially supporting the pdga, the tour, pro players, the disc manufacturers so dont act like the fans are useless. do you think any of those things would exist without the fans?
can those on probtion still play in pdga sanctioned tournaments
How does the PGA Tour do this stuff, disc golf needs to adopt it their model cause this happens OFTEN, where tournaments are setup by people and those tournaments get canceled because the TD cant do it for some reason. Then PDGA has the terrible rule that TD's can't be exchanged with another TD. Atleast thats what my hometown TD said. AND no sponsors of the tournaments were paid their money back nor the people who signed up to play. 6 Tournies, THE ENTIRE SEASON for my city all 6 competitions canceled. it was disheartening. and if its happening on the Masters, it most DEFINITELY is happening smaller scale. PDGA needs smarter people running it.
When did the Discgolf Guy do this?! What tournament? 1:52
I know it looks funny, but he was actually marking where it went OB with a stick if I remember correctly. I don't remember which tournament it was, but the live commentators jokingly asked him at the time if he was kicking the disc back inbounds. I believe the disc remained out, which would make it pretty clearcut.
I was wondering this too. What happened here?
@@croanoke that stick looks like his foot
Hey Chris, would you care to offer some insight on the MVP Discs / Essential Discs trademark dispute over the disc name "Balance"?
I had an incident with McCray at the Hall of Fame Classic in 2018. I was standing 50 feet or more away from #14 tee pad filming the MPO tee off for a couple of cards. McCray's card also have Eagle McMahon, Paul McBeth, and Ricky Wysocki. Eagle and Paul teed off without issue. JohnE teed off, without ever looking in my direction until after he saw his disc land, and then threw a fit bc of where I was at and wanted me to move. I said no, i'm fine. Wysocki said he was fine, and teed off no problem. I have video of the whole card's tee shots. Just clips of them throwing, and it looks like I'm closer than where I'm standing bc I was zoomed in. I was using my phone, so not a big camera rig or anything. There were a dozen people standing right next to the tee pad on the other side of the cross ties that act as a retaining wall, and he said nothing to all of them. So yeah, JohnE is a dick on the course.
They definitely fucked up.. and bad. Ray should definitely be class E and I'd say atleast 5 years on top if not more.
Something else which is interesting, is that U.W.S. got a 2 year + 12 months for an E-class offense. In fact, this was an A-class offense, as he was punching someone immediately after the last putt of the round. It's interesting that a mistake like that is been published, and even more because his name is misspelled as well.
his background is so satisfying, i appreciate how he made the backwall and placed the frames the way he did
Stop pretending the pdga operates fairly or by a standardized set of rules. First off, there are no objective rules in disc golf because the sport is self policing and players lie. Second the disciplinary process has zero transparency from complainants to who they are complaining about, zero. In real law, where fairness is valued, people have a right to see complaints levied against them to properly answer, the pdga will NOT show you those complaints and thus you will not have a clue on what specifically to answer to.
Lastly, the disciplinary board including Robert leonard are a JOKE of a group of people, anonymous, allowing them to hand out punishments like they spin a wheel.
I was attacked by dahlin boenke and Jerome Knott at an event because Jerome wanted to run his mouth and lied about me stealing discs, dahlin pled guilty to a misdemeanor and Jerome and goons used pdga banned language and hate speech.
Dahlin got 6 months suspension for class a violation.
Jerome got 6 months probation for class c.
And another individual the pdga refused to try to identify.
But my mean words got me the same punishment as j ray.
There is no standard, fairness, or objective bias in these fart knockers decisions.
This system cuddles crybabies and cowards who would rather complain after the fact than approach someone on the card.
The pdga never gave me a description of the accusations levied against me.
Lock Barry Shultz up
PDGA definitely lost my money with this decision, although I only ever really got my membership with the dgn discount in mind.
The sad truth is that the j ray situation is probably far more common than we think but those guys just haven’t gone under yet.
Ray got off easy. . .no?
I honestly think the TD probation was fair because that was a major offense. McRae and Oakley....9 months and 12 months just seems very harsh. The guys make their living from this. Like Nikko's case, nobody got punched or hurt in any way. It's harsh. I would say a one or two month suspension from times they always play would be sufficient. A year seems like overkill.
Wasn't it just probation? Your suggestion would actually be a harsher penalty.
@@TheGullibleSkeptic probation. OK, now I see. I thought they were suspended for that long. I misunderstood it, i guess. Thanks
Was that Terry kicking Wysocki’s disc back in bounds @1:53? When did that happen??
What is disciplinary action taken for PDGA Marshall lagging back and not watching masters Championship, JohnE understandably does get frustrated when gets screwed over, with PDGA rules not getting enforced . He's had calls on him, but rarely on opponents. This was a major, come on man.
What does it actually mean when a player is put on probation? If he said it in the vid i must have missed it.
it means give us money
What is the difference between suspension and probation with the PDGA... what does Probation mean?
Eric should be suspended for that whacky ass form..
Until the PDGA gets officials on each card there will be controversy. It ridiculous to force players to call fouls on each other. How can the PDGA levy a harsh penalty on JohnE when they weren’t even represented on the hole? It’s therefore hearsay.
Dynamic paid the pdga so he wouldn’t get a worse ban. J ray should be banned for life. Scammers have no room in dg
As much as I HATE to agree w/ Robert Leonard (on anything) for numerous reasons I have to say that each of these penalties are fully warranted. Anyone who has seen each of these individuals on the course knows how lucky they are to get off with what they did.
Oh man I remember all the drama with him back when disc golf course reviews online forums were a big way for players to talk and sell/trade discs.
We do know the PDGA did not get it "right" with Eric Oakley as there is no detailed information as to why he was put on probation.
Yeah, hard to say if his discipline is fair when we don't know what happened.
That’s for them to know, they have no obligation to make it public. Just cuz you don’t know the details as a nobody sitting in your basement doesn’t mean they don’t know exactly what they’re doin
Well, there is some obvious information. If you write a letter of apology (to the Maine tournament committee), isn't that tantamount to admitting poor behavior?
What were they supposed to release? "Due to being a fucking crybaby" ?
@@joeblow2426 That was from last year...if that was the issue, then they should've taken action last year.
Oakley doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I've been saying for years that he doesn't deserve to be a touring pro with the way he acts on the course.
and here i thought it was talent that decided who gets to be a pro. nope i guess this whole time it was dependent on who you like or dont like
Why isn't the PDGA disciplining Schultz for lying?
Because there’s no verifiable evidence.
It’s he said she said. If there was a recording of the incident, things may be different.
Sounds like for Oakley they took the "admission of guilt" when he apologized through social media within a pattern in mind instead of actually conducting an in person investigation to the claims.
I'm sure they interviewed the people who reported the repeated misconduct. What kind of "in person investigation" are you expecting besides that? Eric's been acting like this on tour for years.
Eric Oakley is the worst. Hilarious that he’s acting like he has absolutely no idea what’s going on
Class D offenses go on all of the time at the tournaments. TD's are not going to call anyone on their drugs or drinking because they are doing it too. I suspect many of these discgolf shops/clubs/TD's are simply drug fronts/money laundering mechanisms. The suspect drug front TD's/shops never have prices on anything and their player packs are super lame and consist of old outdated stock they dump on players. Florida has this going on.
I stand behind not letting unhealthy people run things for other people. They wont take care of themselves, why trust them with other people? Seems obvious. Stealing is not illegal for incumbents eh? I LOVE how if someone else jacked the money the police get called, but the incumbents get a slap on the wrist 😂
the pdga lost all it's credibility when they allowed people to play in the FPO that were not females. Just because you say you are a cat, doesn't mean you are actually a cat. SMH
im ACUALLY a cat. youre committing a hate crime
@1:53 wait.... what?
im pretty sure he was putting a stick or leaf where someones disc crossed the OB line....helping to "mark it"
@@cmoney7748 @cmoney7748 Terry's record is unimpeachable as far as I'm concerned. Hilarious use of that footage.
I saw it live and he said right afterward that he was nudging a stick to mark where it went OB.
We need an ADGA amateur governing body. It’s ridiculous that there is only 1 in all of disc golf.
Conrad section…so good. Habitual misbehavior right there.
He’s a monster! 😂😂
So can Jonathan Ray be charged criminally? It seems 30 grand of missing money would be a very serious crime, embezzlement or fraud maybe? Not super hip to legal terms but it seems a crime was committed.
Eric has been a headcase for years. I was never a fan but dude looks like he could use some mental health help for sure.
If you bought discs from him and have proof you could take legal action.
Doin conrad so dirty. hilarious.
If you’re going to be a professional athlete act like it. You shouldn’t behave like a child when you’re on the course. This is what my coaches in Jr High and Highschool taught us back in the 70s so we wouldn’t act poorly when we were adults.
One may not always agree with the rules but if one knows them, one should know the consequences of not following them.
Unfortunately life is not always fair.
Just my two cents.
i disagree. nobody wants to watch sports without emotion and all sports need a heel. its good for viewership
I understand where you’re coming from and I agree with sports and emotion.
It’s when the professionals start acting like spoiled brats. For me that’s a little to much and unnecessary in my opinion. To each their own.
Thanks for your reply and voicing your opinion. I can respect that.
Certifying a letter proves it was mailed
James Conrad better see this video… that was so funny
haha great clips
Wait. Bros name is actually JohnE? LOLOL
So, that new ruling means locastro shouldn't be allowed to participate in the 2025 season either. Then, he'll be on probation for the 2026 season.
Shouldn't the scammer and money embezzler have legal charges placed against him?
Watch the previous video. He goes over why charges will be unlikely.
@@erakfishfishfish charges are always unlikely unless youre too poor and stupid to defend yourself. in that case you can be a slave in prison
People with tempers never change. Oakley is a repeat offender. It's no surprise he is being cited again after saying "I can only control how I behave moving forward". Only question is, when is the next big nikko incident. Anyone who believes he's changed is a fool.
Psychologists would agree - personality disorders are usually life lasting
Oakley will eventually get suspended. I don't feel he can change. If he's not careful he might get someone else a battery charge.😮
@@cup_and_cone you never know, maybe nikko will have a growth spurt
Was that shot of Terry kicking that disc back in bounds legit cheating? Or was that something like a skins march?
It was apparently him marking where the disc went out of bounds, and I'm guessing there wasn't a spotter nearby. That's what I'm getting from the comments by people who saw it happen.
Should’ve pronounced oaklay for continuity
@1:53 is Terry a cheater?!
So what I take from this is if you play disc golf professionally you’re not allowed to show any emotion
Youre allowed to have emotions, you just have to be in control of them like an adult
@@Iaap952 i didnt see any criminal behavior. cursing is protected speech under the 1st amendment. you have too strict a definition of control
Well, JRay, there was no wind
Will ray be in trouble with the law ? That’s a lot of money to not pay back .
the govt doesnt prosecute criminals, they just harass victims
I still cannot comprehend how Nikko got away with a half year suspension (largely off season) after insulting the Marshall Matej Verl. That was simply wrong.
I did not know Conrad was tantrum thrower
What the hell was terry doing ?
ok well the pdga should run its own bank and insurance but it doesn't.
Not saying what folk did was correct but would not happen if it could not.
good idea. then theyd be the ones embezzling and finding themselves faultless
Disc golf has a drug and alcohol policy?
Not really an issue at the touring pro level, but there are thousands of cranky dudes that will complain if you so much as even hit a quick little weed vape on their card at a sanctioned tourney, even a C-Tier
PDGA claims they follow WADA, but they don't actually test anyone... 1 - It's expensive, 2 - They know a sizeable portion of the pro field would probably test positive for recreational drugs, so they ignore it, 3 - PEDs are probably not that big of an advantage in disc golf, though they could still be an advantage
Yes I just reported every person at my local c tier. I'll let you know how many get banned 😂
@@edwardspan396 PDGA says they follow WADA but they really don't... They don't have the money for testing and they know a sizable portion of the pro field would all test positive for recreational drugs, so they just ignore it.
@@judasblewit your name fits you
Is the pdga or the players entering into litigation with J Ray?
I can't stand Eric oakley
is it not a fact that you are a lawyer working directly for the PDGA?
Show where….
He is a lawyer, and he does a lot with the disc golf industry in general, but to my knowledge he doesn't "work for" the PDGA. In fact, I have never heard him say anything that puts him as any kind of direct representative of the PDGA, and he has in fact been quite critical in many cases of their handling of things, and just like this one, criticizing vague terminology like reasonable, and explaining how it seems that their definition of reasonable differs from his.
@@clintsawyer7702 I think Eric works for cnn
He's Paul Ulibarri's lawyer, and maybe a fee other players, but he does not work for the PDGA.
@@waynebryant1857😂
Eric's always an ass to people whenever I see him at a tourney 🙄
who cares?
Haha poor James.
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