from what ive seen and experienced with my own musket, i think it starts out a bit more stable than the trail. But indeed a great fairwayfinder in any stage of wear
Prodigy updated its flight numbers last year to reflect how they feel the discs actually fly. They have the whole list on their website. The stamp you showed in the video is their old stamp that was phased out last year. So all new discs with the new stamp format have the updated numbers.
This too ^^ I noticed there’s kinda 2 sets of flight numbers for every disc, and yes the updated ones are definitely closer (with some exceptions ofc like the ace line)
Thanks for the vid, and it's one of the rare times I enjoyed hearing someone "talk" about disc golf. The format and news-like delivery was a breath of fresh air. I'm seeing the same stuff in my Trail, but the straightest disc I have by a long shot is the fission Wave on a low flip up. That thing can go 300' on a rope. Trick is the perfect flip and keeping the height low. What I love about the trail is basically it's a stretched out Crave that doesn't keep on lifting throughout the flight which makes it great for shots that have low ceilings halfway down the fairway. Also love the Trail for big flip up hyzer bombs. No chance of it turning at the top, it just flips up, rides, then comes back for easy hyzer distance. The Trail made my bag in the first weekend I had it.
I think a good data point for flight numbers would be a reference @distance in a neutral situation (flat land, no wind, low altitude) that a disc would be expected to show the flight numbers. For example if you need to throw it 400' to get the flight numbers, people that can't throw that far would know they won't get those numbers...
The Trail and the Beast are very similar, but the trail glides and pushes further. Even when dumping more power into the trail it will still fly further; wheras the Beast doesn't seem to respond with further distance as efficiently. If you can increase spin along with power the trail seems to just go and go and go without turning and burning. The Trail truly is in a class of its' own. A phenomenal disc.
I think your point about the Trail is correct: Because of your limitations with your elbow and your slower speed, you were still able to throw straight-ish. Most disc golfers are about there in arm speed, so it's a friendly disc for them. By the way, Conrad line is the GOAT. Nomad, Envy, Detour, Trail, Zenith, and Terra.
Absolutely! I haven't thrown a Neutron Terra yet but my Electron one flies awesome for me. Also the Neutron Trail hasn't left my bag since I received my pre-order
I threw the TSA Construct in Aura plastic in this slot, I tried out the MVP Trail, and while I really liked it, the TSA Construct was straighter and more consistent for me, so I stuck with it. Numbers and flights are very similar, but the feel is slightly different. The Construct is one of my favorite discs in my bag!
@@samz1108 This was my experience too! It might be my arm speed, but that touch of understability helped it fly really straight on a slight hyzer and a light turn with a true finish when thrown flat.
Straightest driver I ever had is the Champion Leopard, the original one, not the new 3-version. Brand new it fades a little bit, but when worn out it is ACTUALLY straight, no left to right movement at all. One of the all time best discs I've ever thrown in my 23 years of plying disc golf. It's like a perfectly worn out Roc, which is also dead straight, but Leopard has longer flight of course.
The reality of "straight discs" is that it entirely depends on the person throwing and the wind, which means the flight numbers are not fixed or the same even for each person. The best thing reviewers can do, IMO, is compare it to several other discs and let us know if it's more or less stable than those. If Caleb reviews the Buzzz, with no comparisons, then I'm just assuming the review is irrelevant to me because my arm speed is so much slower than his. But if he reviews it and says it's in between a Detour and an Emac Truth, I know exactly how it will fly for me, even if it flies different for him. You either need to find reviewers that give comparisons, or find people with the same arm speed as you. Otherwise it's still just guess work. Which is why I love the "flight numbers don't matter series". I'm always familiar with at least a few of the discs, which allows me to know how the ones I"m not familiar with will fly for me. Flight numbers don't matter!
I agree with the "flight numbers don't matter", but there's a reason he made a video about the trail. It's freaking special and I've seen guys who throw 500 plus and 275 + say all wonderful things about it. It flies true.
another important thing to mention is arm speed and rpm (launch angle/nose angle are also good averages to know). gathering a person's average on a tech disc and saying one person throws 62mph 1200 spin and the other throws 71 mph and 1300 spin (both at opposite launch/nose angles) is gonna show two different flights entirely. it is easier for the viewer to know what their reviewer has when they are up front with their metrics. nothing wrong with throwing at 50-55mph but as soon as you start discing into the 10-13sp category with a positive nose angle, any disc at that speed stalls and fades out faster.
I got a VIP Westside Northman in a player's pack recently, and I'm always impressed with how straight it flies. It says 10/5/-1/2, so it should have a little bit of fade on it, but it rarely ends up very far left or right of where I release.
Funnily enough, speaking of straight discs, the straightest disc in my bag right now is an Innova Star Starfire (10/5/0/3) that I’ve had for probably 10 years and broken in significantly. It’s hard to get it to turn over and float right, but you can easily push that angle and get it to ride straight for 70-80% of the flight before it curves off fairly sharp to the left.
i love the informative nature of this video and think it is clutch for helping people make bag/purchase decisions. I hope you take care of your elbow and do some good exercises for it! another thing I'd like to see is a bit of tech disc measurement of your average throw so it can help illustrate what you throw like generally. if I measured myself at 65mph and 1250 RPM with consistent negative nose angle, I'd like to know if you reach the same and then could expect that your assessment would be similar to mine. if your speed/spin/nose angle is different than mine on average, it changes a lot of what I'm watching. Looking forward to watching the next series and thumbs up on the excellent content.
My slightly beaten champ Tern flies exactly like those trail shots at the end at roughly 350’ for me. Maybe not as well marketed as the trail, but it’s always in stock somewhere…..
I have a 163g fission Time Lapse that holds crazy straight for me, especially on forehand. With a tail wind or cross wind into the fade it'll sometimes fall off enough for a small flare skip, but typically is just dead nuts ahead.
My straight flyer is Innova Dart in base plastic. That thing will shamlessly hold any line I put it on. I just need the skill to consistently set it on the line I want. Even now after it’s met with all the trees in the forest it’s still pretty straight. It’s also my go to disk if I go a round with only one disc as it’s a putter that can fly pretty far and can be manipulated to curve if I need it to.
I really like the Wave, MVP/Axiom, it’s a great disc, at 11/5/-1/1. It’s so underrated. I love and now that it’s beat in it is the straightest driver I have ever seen
Yeah I love my Wave too. As a typical 325-350ft thrower it’s perfect. It absolutely bombs straight. However as Christopher said I’ve noticed that it does get understable on those throws that I really get ahold of it. This is why I keep a TimeLapse in the bag. I know it wont go as far but It will never turn over completely. I did recently get a Trail and I’ve been really impressed with it’s flights. There is a good chance it’ll replace the wave. It goes as far if not farther and doesn’t have the understable tendencies on those shots where everything clicks in my admittedly not perfect form.
Well as an old man (54) who can only throw about 350’ max (LOL) it’s been an awesome disc. It did take a year or so of constantly throwing it to get it where it is. Would really like to try the Trail just ain’t got the dough right now. But hopefully soon. Hey hope everyone in this crazy world of discs has a real awesome floppy day.
Have to point out that a Wave is -2/2 turn n fade. Some fission runs say -2.5/2. It is for sure a straight disc if a player has a strong enough arm, not arguing that at all.
You guys should consider comparing durability of different plastics. For example, I wonder how durable the outer edge of the mvp gyro discs are compared to other brands' premium plastic like halo plastic from Innova. The gyro plastic has been proven not to extend the flight, so I wonder if it actually lowers the durability because it feels like it's baseline. The Clash discs tone plastic would be another one to compare.
I have a friend that no doubt will order the trail. Only thing I throw that flies straight is my stag, little hyzer flip and she goes straight for 350 feet. But it’s much slower than the trail. I look forward to trying it
Good, informative vid. Finding decent fairway drivers is one of the hardest things to do in disc golf. I bet every DGer goes through at least several different molds before they find one that really works. The Trail really is a great disc, especially for people with slower arm speed. It'll turn a bit without getting flippy, glides great, and has a very soft late fade. I've put the Trail out to 450'. It'll take power reliably, but also powers DOWN well and stays straight. Very versatile disc. Frankly, I think it flies a little too far to be considered a fairway driver. IMO the Trail is a far better version of the Insanity.
For this slot I use the Infinite Discs Aztec. I am a low line thrower most of my throws don't come more than 10ft of the deck. Aztec goes straight as an arrow for me at reasonable chucks.
Innova Mamba is the straightest driver my friends and I have ever thrown but keep in mind we are old and can only throw around 350 ft. If your arm speed is higher, I suspect it would be too understable.
The Mint Diamondback has been my sleeper pick for a couple years now for similar flights to the Trail. It doesn’t seem to get the same love as some of Mint’s other models, or the similar Constructs from TSA.
Picked up a trail recently and love it for the straight flight. I’m also able to get a straight flight from my mvp photon and surprisingly my gateway realm. Would love to see a comparison between all the “destroyer” discs!
Currently I use a grace in this slot, but I bag almost everything else mvp/axiom, so I may try it out if given an opportunity. Straight, slight long drifting turn, and maybe a slow drifting fade.
I am a beginner. My favorite disc so far is Viking Discs - Cosmos - Storm with numbers 7/5/0/1 because even with my slow arm and poor torque it flies 60m straight with just a tiny bit of fade in the end (my normal range so far is 65-75 m, occasionally over 80m). I am comfortable with backhand and my throw isn't always flat but more "almost flat" but I can manage to throw that disc (RHB) with anhyzer to nice rightwards curve. I don't use it for leftwards curves, because they have another disc similar in numbers Viking Disc - Barbarian 7/5/0/2 and the difference in fade is very significant - this one never fail to fade in the end. I wonder if you can get yourself one Cosmos and test its flight straightness. I tried to buy Trail Special Edition for the sake of the stamp only, but it is not available any more except on the ebay for high price 😵💫, so I found myself two of the last ordinary Trails 😃 (even when I only have up to 9-speeds in my bag so far)
I have a couple max weight SE trails in red plastic and they are actually beefy! My 172 gr in blue is money though. I typically throw between 400-450'. My blue trail can hit 400' no problem. It is "straight'' by disc golf standards. It is an awesome disc!
The straightest disc I've thrown is the centurion. It's a 9 speed though. The rim of the 10 speed either makes it a turn and burner or too OS. I wonder what would happen if they did a reverse gyro. Put the bulk of the weight in the middle, but keep the same profile. Good vid as always
I think with where we’re at with technology and more and more people having the capability of recording arm speed/spin metrics, it’s not a bad idea for disc golf manufacturers to list the shot shapes/flight numbers (on their site, not on the disc) with those variances.
Try the MVP Catalyst in Nuetron plastic. I've had 3 and they all fly the same straight with a slight fade at the end. Lost one on a windy day on a bad throw.
i love the scorch for long and straight shots. i dont throw super far (max 400 ft), so for me its slightly overstable when its brand new and slightly understable when its beat in. its a bit more understable/straight in esp/flx plastic. 11/6/-2/2
I have been playing for almost 20 years. Have accumulated well over 200 discs. My max distance is 375-400', so not a monster arm but not full rigatoni either. The straightest driver I have ever owned or thrown is my F2 GStar Thunderbird. I've owned it for 4 years and nothing has been close to as straight as this disc is. It is reliable every toss. The straightest mid I've ever thrown is my Innova Atlas in star plastic. Thrown soft or max power, it is always laser straight even in headwinds.
The new innova racer might be one to talk about. It's essentially a destroy with one less fade. Though, it's has a bead which for a distance driver seems odd but in practice (and in reality with what some of my friends and I have experienced) it flys very straight.
My avg drive is 300. When thrown flat rhbh, the Trail is initially straight with less glide and more than fade than expected. I would rate it more like a 10 4 -1 2. The straightest driver in my bag is the new version Ti plastic Discraft Undertaker. The new Ti plastic mix from Discraft is dynamite for my money. It’s a bit gummy but also durable.
DGA is underrated but I feel like they need to work on their flight numbers. I bought a pipeline (8/5/0/2) and it flies more like (8/5/-1/1.5), maybe even more understable sometimes. Anyways great video as always!
For me I’ve had a Halo Star Mamba (I think it was 170g-ish) and I have a Halo Roadrunner 174g that fly pretty straight. Now, for reference, I just started about 6 months ago. If I get a good rip, then I can typically get them to about 350 feet, with my record being about 380.
I've been throwing an Orc as my straight 10 speed for several years but it's starting to get a bit too flippy. I just got a Trail to see how it fits in this slot. I also want to get a Gorgon for comparison. Another very straight 10 speed I threw for a long time was the Westside Northman, but those are hard to find anymore.
I know this video concentrated on 10/11 speeds, but the Prodiscus Lazeri (9/4/-1/1) has exactly this flight and pushes significantly farther than any of my other 9-speed discs
Currently hammering on a QOLS (Quantum Orion Long Straight) for the longest possible flight that's still pretty straight. Of course any mistake and it can go a bunch left or possibly right of what I wanted!
Ironically, I bought a Racer (and a few other discs) from Spinners on the Green after my round. And then threw it in the water at Fountain Hills the next morning. RIP
Greg, have you considered throwing some lighter discs? The consistent fade that you experience seems to suggest that your arm speed and disc weight are not matching.
I max out at around 300 feet and the Streamline Jet (11, 5, -3, 2) flies dead straight for me with almost no fade. Obviously the numbers are off. The I-Blend Sphinx is an absolute laser! It really blew me away. The S-Blend is way more overstable. The older domey DGA SAILs can fly for miles 3 feet off the ground. I think the tournament series SAILs have similar dome but they're only available in max weights.
I'm 65 years old and the the MVP Wave in Fission plastic 11/5/-2.5/2 flies straight for me. I also throw an Axiom Insanity 9/5/-2.5/1.5 in Fission plastic that goes straight for me. I find the MVP and Axiom discs to be better for me in Fission plastic. I think the gyro works for better in Fission with my old man power. I would have been interested in the Trail but I often have my doubts about any Pro's signature discs, they tend to be more stable than the numbers would indicate. I should not really be throwing anything faster than a 9 speed disc anyway but stumbled upon the Fission Wave. The Cosmic Neutron Wave works for my son (flex shots) who is way stronger than me.
Didn't watch the full video yet, but did you ever take a look at the Thought Space Athletics Construct. I am throwing it since a little bit over 2 years in Ethereal Plastic and it is a straight flying Distance Driver. TSA is using some MVP molds and they are produced by MVP. It has 6 Glide but I also hear people say the Trail has more like 6 Glide, also the Construct doesn't really fly for me like it has 2 Fade, more like 1 or so. I compared it to a friends Trail and they look very similar. Would be interesting to really compare these two, I think. Even before the trail was released and people waited for it I said to them, just try the TSA Construct, I wouldn't be surprised if it even uses a mold that MVP was at least thinking about using it for the Trail.
I’d really like to try the Trail; thanks for this video. I currently bag a Thoughtspace Construct (in Nebula Aura plastic; max weight) for what I imagine is a similar slot. The only real drawback to my Construct is that it’s brown so I’m bound to lose it, lol.
Sporting the trail, can't wait to get one beat in/getting different plastics and cycling in more. Will kick some competition out of the bag for sure. Dunno how innova corvettes usually are but I have a flat as a board star corvette which is ridiculously straight 90% of the flight before a gentle fade. Such wide rims are not the best for my stubby fingers so I'd Imagine someone without that problem will get some turn out of it (and distance naturally).
I don’t overly love the trail. Maybe it’s just me but the rim is thin and on backhand it always early releases (comes out of my hand early) great forehand disc but I’ve got that slot covered already. It’s good don’t get me wrong but I’m not replacing any discs in may bag for it.
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Arghhhhhh maybe a series's on glow plastic and discs for the dark season ahead!?
Could be fun!
I 2nd this!!! I'm trying to put together a glow bag for a night league!
Lone Star discs!! Tons of strong glow discs and reliable numbers.
Would really like this video
@@denslo3955 Kastaplast has good glow plastic but I'm not in love with all of their molds. Ill check out Lone Star
I love my Lat 64 Musket for this slot. Most of my drivers are Wraiths, but when I disc down and want control on a straight shot, it's the Musket.
Musket is awesome and super underrated
SAME
from what ive seen and experienced with my own musket, i think it starts out a bit more stable than the trail. But indeed a great fairwayfinder in any stage of wear
@@luuhax Well-said.
The Musket is money, I just feel like too few people know how good it is!
Prodigy updated its flight numbers last year to reflect how they feel the discs actually fly. They have the whole list on their website. The stamp you showed in the video is their old stamp that was phased out last year. So all new discs with the new stamp format have the updated numbers.
This too ^^ I noticed there’s kinda 2 sets of flight numbers for every disc, and yes the updated ones are definitely closer (with some exceptions ofc like the ace line)
The new Gorgon flies real straight for me. Flips up and goes like my beat up thunderbird
Been waiting for this video from you guys! thank you for your work.
Hope you enjoyed! Thanks!
Thanks for the vid, and it's one of the rare times I enjoyed hearing someone "talk" about disc golf. The format and news-like delivery was a breath of fresh air.
I'm seeing the same stuff in my Trail, but the straightest disc I have by a long shot is the fission Wave on a low flip up. That thing can go 300' on a rope. Trick is the perfect flip and keeping the height low.
What I love about the trail is basically it's a stretched out Crave that doesn't keep on lifting throughout the flight which makes it great for shots that have low ceilings halfway down the fairway. Also love the Trail for big flip up hyzer bombs. No chance of it turning at the top, it just flips up, rides, then comes back for easy hyzer distance. The Trail made my bag in the first weekend I had it.
I think a good data point for flight numbers would be a reference @distance in a neutral situation (flat land, no wind, low altitude) that a disc would be expected to show the flight numbers. For example if you need to throw it 400' to get the flight numbers, people that can't throw that far would know they won't get those numbers...
I'm not sure what the distance expectation is for a 10 speed disc in those neutral settings for example.
The Trail and the Beast are very similar, but the trail glides and pushes further. Even when dumping more power into the trail it will still fly further; wheras the Beast doesn't seem to respond with further distance as efficiently. If you can increase spin along with power the trail seems to just go and go and go without turning and burning. The Trail truly is in a class of its' own. A phenomenal disc.
The Beast in pro plastic is straight and good for narrow fairways. It's great in all winds.
I have thrown mine a handful of times and I am really impressed by it. To me, it flies like a more stable crave.
I think your point about the Trail is correct: Because of your limitations with your elbow and your slower speed, you were still able to throw straight-ish. Most disc golfers are about there in arm speed, so it's a friendly disc for them. By the way, Conrad line is the GOAT. Nomad, Envy, Detour, Trail, Zenith, and Terra.
Too true!!!
James Conrad’s line of discs is low key goated. 🐐
The Terra is so underrated. It hasn't left my bag since it was released. Neutron and electron are basically different discs, but both are amazing.
Absolutely! I haven't thrown a Neutron Terra yet but my Electron one flies awesome for me. Also the Neutron Trail hasn't left my bag since I received my pre-order
@@russellholley-hurt2637how does the Terra compare to the Volt or Tesla, if you've had a chance to compare?
Except for the zenith apparently. Lol
Detour is great
I threw the TSA Construct in Aura plastic in this slot, I tried out the MVP Trail, and while I really liked it, the TSA Construct was straighter and more consistent for me, so I stuck with it. Numbers and flights are very similar, but the feel is slightly different. The Construct is one of my favorite discs in my bag!
Construct is a beam!
I bag both - my Aura construct is straight but leans on the understable side. Whereas my trail is straight but a little more on the stable side.
Musket is what I use for this while the construct I threw had slightly more stability in the plastic I had
@@samz1108 This was my experience too! It might be my arm speed, but that touch of understability helped it fly really straight on a slight hyzer and a light turn with a true finish when thrown flat.
@@neonickel5 I’m not the best at hyzer flips so I like to throw things flat and let the disc work for me 😅
Straightest driver I ever had is the Champion Leopard, the original one, not the new 3-version.
Brand new it fades a little bit, but when worn out it is ACTUALLY straight, no left to right movement at all.
One of the all time best discs I've ever thrown in my 23 years of plying disc golf. It's like a perfectly worn out Roc, which is also dead straight, but Leopard has longer flight of course.
I do love the Trail for my hyzer flip forehand. Hope MVP will release it in Fission in the 150s and 160s grams for my weak backhand.
The reality of "straight discs" is that it entirely depends on the person throwing and the wind, which means the flight numbers are not fixed or the same even for each person. The best thing reviewers can do, IMO, is compare it to several other discs and let us know if it's more or less stable than those. If Caleb reviews the Buzzz, with no comparisons, then I'm just assuming the review is irrelevant to me because my arm speed is so much slower than his. But if he reviews it and says it's in between a Detour and an Emac Truth, I know exactly how it will fly for me, even if it flies different for him. You either need to find reviewers that give comparisons, or find people with the same arm speed as you. Otherwise it's still just guess work. Which is why I love the "flight numbers don't matter series". I'm always familiar with at least a few of the discs, which allows me to know how the ones I"m not familiar with will fly for me. Flight numbers don't matter!
I agree with the "flight numbers don't matter", but there's a reason he made a video about the trail. It's freaking special and I've seen guys who throw 500 plus and 275 + say all wonderful things about it. It flies true.
another important thing to mention is arm speed and rpm (launch angle/nose angle are also good averages to know). gathering a person's average on a tech disc and saying one person throws 62mph 1200 spin and the other throws 71 mph and 1300 spin (both at opposite launch/nose angles) is gonna show two different flights entirely. it is easier for the viewer to know what their reviewer has when they are up front with their metrics. nothing wrong with throwing at 50-55mph but as soon as you start discing into the 10-13sp category with a positive nose angle, any disc at that speed stalls and fades out faster.
I got a VIP Westside Northman in a player's pack recently, and I'm always impressed with how straight it flies. It says 10/5/-1/2, so it should have a little bit of fade on it, but it rarely ends up very far left or right of where I release.
The Trail is one of my favorite discs.
Just got my Trail in the mail today and really appreciate your in depth disc reviews. Time to go see how
Funnily enough, speaking of straight discs, the straightest disc in my bag right now is an Innova Star Starfire (10/5/0/3) that I’ve had for probably 10 years and broken in significantly. It’s hard to get it to turn over and float right, but you can easily push that angle and get it to ride straight for 70-80% of the flight before it curves off fairly sharp to the left.
Absolutely love my trail as a noodle armed boi, great video showing why it’s so special
Hyzer flip a roadrunner is my go to straight fairway shot.
My go-to straight disc is a Lucid Escape. 325' with little turn or fade.
Same. Lucid Air Escape...all day long.
Thank you for listing the wind! 👍
I just received a Trail for my birthday and threw it for the first time yesterday and experienced similar flights that you demonstrate.
i love the informative nature of this video and think it is clutch for helping people make bag/purchase decisions. I hope you take care of your elbow and do some good exercises for it! another thing I'd like to see is a bit of tech disc measurement of your average throw so it can help illustrate what you throw like generally. if I measured myself at 65mph and 1250 RPM with consistent negative nose angle, I'd like to know if you reach the same and then could expect that your assessment would be similar to mine. if your speed/spin/nose angle is different than mine on average, it changes a lot of what I'm watching. Looking forward to watching the next series and thumbs up on the excellent content.
My slightly beaten champ Tern flies exactly like those trail shots at the end at roughly 350’ for me. Maybe not as well marketed as the trail, but it’s always in stock somewhere…..
I was going to say I have a champ tern that has been beat in that is a laser.
Haha loved the bloops at the end.
Halo Mamba. They start out super straight. I think the halo Gorgons will be similar to this too.
I have a 163g fission Time Lapse that holds crazy straight for me, especially on forehand. With a tail wind or cross wind into the fade it'll sometimes fall off enough for a small flare skip, but typically is just dead nuts ahead.
Prodigy’s updated flight numbers on the H3V2 are also 10/5/-1/1 but it is definitely more of a control driver than distance
A focused video on the greatest throwing putter of all time... the Luna..... Sincerely, A totally non-biased viewer.
Westside discs Sword is the straightest disc i have found past 10 years.
My straight flyer is Innova Dart in base plastic. That thing will shamlessly hold any line I put it on. I just need the skill to consistently set it on the line I want. Even now after it’s met with all the trees in the forest it’s still pretty straight. It’s also my go to disk if I go a round with only one disc as it’s a putter that can fly pretty far and can be manipulated to curve if I need it to.
I really like the Wave, MVP/Axiom, it’s a great disc, at 11/5/-1/1. It’s so underrated. I love and now that it’s beat in it is the straightest driver I have ever seen
great disc but gets understable in a hurry as you cross 350!
Yeah I love my Wave too. As a typical 325-350ft thrower it’s perfect. It absolutely bombs straight. However as Christopher said I’ve noticed that it does get understable on those throws that I really get ahold of it. This is why I keep a TimeLapse in the bag. I know it wont go as far but It will never turn over completely. I did recently get a Trail and I’ve been really impressed with it’s flights. There is a good chance it’ll replace the wave. It goes as far if not farther and doesn’t have the understable tendencies on those shots where everything clicks in my admittedly not perfect form.
Well as an old man (54) who can only throw about 350’ max (LOL) it’s been an awesome disc. It did take a year or so of constantly throwing it to get it where it is. Would really like to try the Trail just ain’t got the dough right now. But hopefully soon. Hey hope everyone in this crazy world of discs has a real awesome floppy day.
Have to point out that a Wave is -2/2 turn n fade. Some fission runs say -2.5/2. It is for sure a straight disc if a player has a strong enough arm, not arguing that at all.
I know new discs won't fix my ability to throw it straight . . . but there's always a chance the Trail might! Thanks Greg, interesting video!
You guys should consider comparing durability of different plastics. For example, I wonder how durable the outer edge of the mvp gyro discs are compared to other brands' premium plastic like halo plastic from Innova. The gyro plastic has been proven not to extend the flight, so I wonder if it actually lowers the durability because it feels like it's baseline. The Clash discs tone plastic would be another one to compare.
Does Caleb have any form analysis videoes anywhere? It's a super unique looking swing and it would be interesting to hear a coach unpack it.
I have a friend that no doubt will order the trail. Only thing I throw that flies straight is my stag, little hyzer flip and she goes straight for 350 feet. But it’s much slower than the trail. I look forward to trying it
great points and examples!!1
Trail vs Beast in different plastic could be interesting
Beast is money. But they tend to break in to very under stable.Under rated mold
Good, informative vid. Finding decent fairway drivers is one of the hardest things to do in disc golf. I bet every DGer goes through at least several different molds before they find one that really works.
The Trail really is a great disc, especially for people with slower arm speed. It'll turn a bit without getting flippy, glides great, and has a very soft late fade. I've put the Trail out to 450'. It'll take power reliably, but also powers DOWN well and stays straight. Very versatile disc. Frankly, I think it flies a little too far to be considered a fairway driver. IMO the Trail is a far better version of the Insanity.
Great viddy thanks mate
For this slot I use the Infinite Discs Aztec. I am a low line thrower most of my throws don't come more than 10ft of the deck. Aztec goes straight as an arrow for me at reasonable chucks.
Innova Mamba is the straightest driver my friends and I have ever thrown but keep in mind we are old and can only throw around 350 ft. If your arm speed is higher, I suspect it would be too understable.
Innova Archon 11/5/-2/2 has always been my straight DD
The Mint Diamondback has been my sleeper pick for a couple years now for similar flights to the Trail. It doesn’t seem to get the same love as some of Mint’s other models, or the similar Constructs from TSA.
Picked up a trail recently and love it for the straight flight. I’m also able to get a straight flight from my mvp photon and surprisingly my gateway realm. Would love to see a comparison between all the “destroyer” discs!
Currently I use a grace in this slot, but I bag almost everything else mvp/axiom, so I may try it out if given an opportunity. Straight, slight long drifting turn, and maybe a slow drifting fade.
I am a beginner. My favorite disc so far is Viking Discs - Cosmos - Storm with numbers 7/5/0/1 because even with my slow arm and poor torque it flies 60m straight with just a tiny bit of fade in the end (my normal range so far is 65-75 m, occasionally over 80m). I am comfortable with backhand and my throw isn't always flat but more "almost flat" but I can manage to throw that disc (RHB) with anhyzer to nice rightwards curve. I don't use it for leftwards curves, because they have another disc similar in numbers Viking Disc - Barbarian 7/5/0/2 and the difference in fade is very significant - this one never fail to fade in the end.
I wonder if you can get yourself one Cosmos and test its flight straightness.
I tried to buy Trail Special Edition for the sake of the stamp only, but it is not available any more except on the ebay for high price 😵💫, so I found myself two of the last ordinary Trails 😃 (even when I only have up to 9-speeds in my bag so far)
I have a couple max weight SE trails in red plastic and they are actually beefy! My 172 gr in blue is money though. I typically throw between 400-450'. My blue trail can hit 400' no problem. It is "straight'' by disc golf standards. It is an awesome disc!
Long time watcher and love this series! This is the first video that i could not stop asking myself: "...but how would the crave fly in comparison?"
For me, the crave is more understable, but they are very similar. The Trail goes further (than the crave) for me when looking for max distance.
This is just a Star SL. Been around for a while. Infinite Aztec is the same mold.
I want to try one, but I have a Gstar beast that has been a monster for me in that slot.
The straightest disc I've thrown is the centurion. It's a 9 speed though. The rim of the 10 speed either makes it a turn and burner or too OS. I wonder what would happen if they did a reverse gyro. Put the bulk of the weight in the middle, but keep the same profile. Good vid as always
I think with where we’re at with technology and more and more people having the capability of recording arm speed/spin metrics, it’s not a bad idea for disc golf manufacturers to list the shot shapes/flight numbers (on their site, not on the disc) with those variances.
Do the Westside Northman next!
Innova Racer at 166g has been very straight for me with some slight turn and end fade
Try the MVP Catalyst in Nuetron plastic. I've had 3 and they all fly the same straight with a slight fade at the end. Lost one on a windy day on a bad throw.
Love the Era.
Latitude 64 Sapphire (opto plastic) is my go to straight long distance driver, I would love to see it compared to the Trail.
i love the scorch for long and straight shots. i dont throw super far (max 400 ft), so for me its slightly overstable when its brand new and slightly understable when its beat in. its a bit more understable/straight in esp/flx plastic. 11/6/-2/2
I have been playing for almost 20 years. Have accumulated well over 200 discs. My max distance is 375-400', so not a monster arm but not full rigatoni either. The straightest driver I have ever owned or thrown is my F2 GStar Thunderbird. I've owned it for 4 years and nothing has been close to as straight as this disc is. It is reliable every toss. The straightest mid I've ever thrown is my Innova Atlas in star plastic. Thrown soft or max power, it is always laser straight even in headwinds.
The new innova racer might be one to talk about. It's essentially a destroy with one less fade. Though, it's has a bead which for a distance driver seems odd but in practice (and in reality with what some of my friends and I have experienced) it flys very straight.
My Champion Tern (12 speed) flies very straight until the very end when it has a reliable fade.
The new discmania TD's are super straight too
Yay I love new Vid drop Day!!! Hey Greg!
Hey! Thanks for the support!
The Latitude 64 Opto Musket is very straight as well. Other plastics for it add stability but the opto musket can be dead straight with minimal fade.
Keep it up. Appreciate your channel.
I've got a pretty slow arm and I typically use a REALLY light Thrasher for this slot or I'll power up on a River and give it some hyzer.
My avg drive is 300. When thrown flat rhbh, the Trail is initially straight with less glide and more than fade than expected. I would rate it more like a 10 4 -1 2. The straightest driver in my bag is the new version Ti plastic Discraft Undertaker. The new Ti plastic mix from Discraft is dynamite for my money. It’s a bit gummy but also durable.
DGA is underrated but I feel like they need to work on their flight numbers. I bought a pipeline (8/5/0/2) and it flies more like (8/5/-1/1.5), maybe even more understable sometimes. Anyways great video as always!
For me I’ve had a Halo Star Mamba (I think it was 170g-ish) and I have a Halo Roadrunner 174g that fly pretty straight. Now, for reference, I just started about 6 months ago. If I get a good rip, then I can typically get them to about 350 feet, with my record being about 380.
The H3v2 is super straight, I’ve bagged one all year and it’s my go-to in the woods. Air plastic is flippier of course, the 400 is perfect
I've been throwing an Orc as my straight 10 speed for several years but it's starting to get a bit too flippy. I just got a Trail to see how it fits in this slot. I also want to get a Gorgon for comparison. Another very straight 10 speed I threw for a long time was the Westside Northman, but those are hard to find anymore.
It flies exactly like my old teebird, which I trust more after 2 years of consistent flight than how this disc flies out the box.
I use the Innova Roadrunner for straight drives. Seems to work pretty well for me, as long as I hit my line.
I would love to see an analysis of the Daedalus. Especially star plastic.
You should do a video on the løft discs bohrium, and have both you and Caleb throw it to see how it flies for different arm speeds
I know this video concentrated on 10/11 speeds, but the Prodiscus Lazeri (9/4/-1/1) has exactly this flight and pushes significantly farther than any of my other 9-speed discs
Currently hammering on a QOLS (Quantum Orion Long Straight) for the longest possible flight that's still pretty straight. Of course any mistake and it can go a bunch left or possibly right of what I wanted!
Innova Tern is my go to straight driver
Simon's ITB video has made me bought one
DD Lucid Captain flys straight for me.
Try Ragnarok in warpaint. Totally different than armor and storm plastic
I took all 8+ speeds out of my bag and have been scoring better.
Same here. I've only been playing since June, but I have accepted that my arm caps at 7 speeds. I can yeet a 5'er, at least
I had two trails in my hands, and then i put them back on the shelf, and got a couple other things. Little did I know
In regards to 12 speeds that go straight, the Star Racer I have is fantastic👌
Ironically, I bought a Racer (and a few other discs) from Spinners on the Green after my round. And then threw it in the water at Fountain Hills the next morning. RIP
Greg, have you considered throwing some lighter discs? The consistent fade that you experience seems to suggest that your arm speed and disc weight are not matching.
I max out at around 300 feet and the Streamline Jet (11, 5, -3, 2) flies dead straight for me with almost no fade. Obviously the numbers are off. The I-Blend Sphinx is an absolute laser! It really blew me away. The S-Blend is way more overstable. The older domey DGA SAILs can fly for miles 3 feet off the ground. I think the tournament series SAILs have similar dome but they're only available in max weights.
I'm 65 years old and the the MVP Wave in Fission plastic 11/5/-2.5/2 flies straight for me. I also throw an Axiom Insanity 9/5/-2.5/1.5 in Fission plastic that goes straight for me. I find the MVP and Axiom discs to be better for me in Fission plastic. I think the gyro works for better in Fission with my old man power. I would have been interested in the Trail but I often have my doubts about any Pro's signature discs, they tend to be more stable than the numbers would indicate. I should not really be throwing anything faster than a 9 speed disc anyway but stumbled upon the Fission Wave. The Cosmic Neutron Wave works for my son (flex shots) who is way stronger than me.
Didn't watch the full video yet, but did you ever take a look at the Thought Space Athletics Construct. I am throwing it since a little bit over 2 years in Ethereal Plastic and it is a straight flying Distance Driver. TSA is using some MVP molds and they are produced by MVP.
It has 6 Glide but I also hear people say the Trail has more like 6 Glide, also the Construct doesn't really fly for me like it has 2 Fade, more like 1 or so. I compared it to a friends Trail and they look very similar.
Would be interesting to really compare these two, I think. Even before the trail was released and people waited for it I said to them, just try the TSA Construct, I wouldn't be surprised if it even uses a mold that MVP was at least thinking about using it for the Trail.
Great video. My trail just arrived and can’t wait for Saturday to get out and toss it.
What app are you using to track the disc ?
AceTrace! Hope you like the Trail!
Westside sword VIP plastic with somewhat flat top is a straight bomber
I'm starting to wonder if all disc stability should be rated by parting line height in millimeters.
I’d really like to try the Trail; thanks for this video. I currently bag a Thoughtspace Construct (in Nebula Aura plastic; max weight) for what I imagine is a similar slot. The only real drawback to my Construct is that it’s brown so I’m bound to lose it, lol.
What is your arm-speed, and what was the distance of your throws?
Do you know how many other disc companies make discs with these same spects
Sporting the trail, can't wait to get one beat in/getting different plastics and cycling in more. Will kick some competition out of the bag for sure.
Dunno how innova corvettes usually are but I have a flat as a board star corvette which is ridiculously straight 90% of the flight before a gentle fade. Such wide rims are not the best for my stubby fingers so I'd Imagine someone without that problem will get some turn out of it (and distance naturally).
I know it’s a 9 speed which most people call a fairway driver, but the Gateway Assassin has the straightest flight I’ve seen out of a 9+ speed
I don’t overly love the trail. Maybe it’s just me but the rim is thin and on backhand it always early releases (comes out of my hand early) great forehand disc but I’ve got that slot covered already. It’s good don’t get me wrong but I’m not replacing any discs in may bag for it.