Everyone Was WRONG About The 2022 Subaru WRX
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- When the latest generation of the Subaru WRX was unveiled, it was met with a lot of not so great feedback from the community. However, as dyno results are starting to come out with the release of the COBB Pro Tuning software, it might have some people changing their opinions. What are your thoughts?
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How do you think the new WRX is going to hold up long term?
Overall, I'm hopeful for it! Anything can happen though lol. I've been wanting to drive one but here in SD they're pretty much non-existent. The only one was bought by my local dealer, driven and listed used for 8k over MSRP 😮💨
@@jamesiepooh7337 Dealerships are getting away with robbery on these new cars. The MSRP might as well be a joke at this point.
I think they will become more popular in time.
@@bbman2517 I think so too, with time and more modifications coming out I think we will grow to love it
@gels I got mine at MSRP and can find others at MSRP here in Colorado. The Toyota GR Corolla on the other hand has a $15k plus markup.
Most people in the subaru community already knew the FA24 was solid. Prime Motoring made 550 almost 3 years ago with one out of an Ascent. Stimikey just made 430/480 with intake, exhaust, e50 just the other day as well with stock turbo and is running bottom 11s getting close to 10s in the 1/4
BUT.... you will NEED to upgrade the brakes, and if you are pushing power the trans for sure. Those are what 10k+ to get done. I'm sure it will be an awesome tuner car in the future, but for now, I don't think it yet makes sense.
No.. most people in the subaru community know that this thing is an absolute turd. Its one of the worst looking subarus of all time that literally nobody asked for. A lot of the EJs were junk and while the FA20s were definitely a better platform they needed too much money to become anything worth while. Sure they can be quick if you dump enough money into them but most of the people on Nasioc, IWSTi, and Reddit started to notice subarus are just not on par with the competition in the price range and they haven't been for at least a decade.
@@chozen_juan The only one's that come close to making sense are the base trim and maybe the premium. 31k to 33k is it? All the others are just banana's pricing for a regular WRX given what you do NOT get. I really like the eyesight stuff in my wife's outback wilderness, but for the WRX... it's just a money suck that could have been used on making it a better drivers car.
@@chozen_juan Idc about aesthetics, I’m talking about the FA24. I also don’t hate the look, better than the VAs lol
@@chozen_juan the fa20 doesnt cost much more than the ejs. what did cost more was if you had the BRZ with no turbo, since there was more to do to make it boost friendly with the high compression ratio
I’ve been working with one of the well known FA tuners since Accesstuner added support for the FA24. Here’s where we’re at with it: $3500 for intake, downpipe, intercooler and Accessport + tuning fees = 375whp/400ftlbs on e40. Fuel cut remains at 6100rpm. You really need to stop at that power level and rpm to protect the transmission, so those numbers are what owners can expect if they want to start modding today. The transmission is the same one used in the VA chassis so it’s a known variable and no one is going to figure out a way to make it magically hold more torque reliably.
The next step will be someone doing a >$10k STI transmission swap to see if it fits. If it does, we’re off to the races with big turbos, fuel system upgrades, methanol and full e85 to see how far we can push the FA24 before it needs upgraded internals.
Like you said in this video, things will be very interesting a year from now. It’s just important for everyone to keep in mind that a very expensive transmission upgrade is going to be necessary before these cars can make big boy power.
Thanks for the insight! I figured there would be something that would eventually limit the increased power getting to the ground l, whether that be the transmission, clutch, axles, etc. Interested to see if the STI transmission can be swapped over.
Prime Motoring explored the FA24 a few years ago when it came out in the Ascent. They transplanted it into a crosstrek with an STI driveline, did full bolts ons with an FP Blue and made near 700whp before the rods snapped. These motors are more than capable.
Yep same TY75 Trans, Major handicap for the car
Sounds like it's just like the FA20 with the same mods honestly. So far anyways.
@@jamesg8246 these motors are more stout. On a turbo back, intake, inter cooler and e60 tune the Shop CT was able to get over 400whp and just under 500wtq
Ok I hear you.. Now I just need to get over the looks 😅😫
Yes, the looks 😅🤪
Have you seen what Aeroflow dynamics did to theirs??? Because that one literally changed my mind about them
They ain't that bad with some minor changes they look fire and with some colors it looks super good out the box except for the wheels they have to go
Subaru really done fcked up putting emphasis on their supposed OFFROAD look. Everything else is all good, except the exterior.
Have you seen it in person? Because I’m person it looks amazing! Also the last gen had Corolla taillights
Imo it doesn’t look ugly at all. People just let social media tell them whats good and bad.
Yep
I have a 22 Limited 6MT and it’s been great!
I love mine, hurts to say but I don’t miss my 2020 WRX one bit.
Someone got 11.2 1/4 mile on Reddit with this platform…. Like 3 bolt ons and an e50 tune. He posted slips too
Honestly, and I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I kind of really dig the direction Subaru went with the new WRX. Heavily considering one...we'll see where life goes.
Platform is great and really enjoying mine. Much stiffer chassis and stronger, consistent torque curve. Tuning potential on FA24 is insane
Dont go test drive one. youll buy it same day.
I love my 2022
You are not alone. Most people hating on it haven't driven it. I love the factory tuning.
It's an amazing car... Stock tune just doesn't show you how great this car actually is. I'm running an e30 jb4 tune and it's like a whole new car vs the stock tune which is made to be economical and pass emissions. That's what they had to do to trick the system and sell us a car that is just waiting to be modified to really show what it was made for.
In Colorado you see tons of older WRX’s very very few new ones. I think people hate several things about it and are waiting for the revised model. Personally I want them to address the turbos that fail every 125,000 miles, weak clutch forks and throw out bearings! Plastic/ metal intercoolers that need to be replaced every 100,000 miles. These cars aren’t very durable and require about a $6,000 investment every 125,000 miles which is ridiculous!
I have a 22 Base & it’s the best bang for your buck on the market. I paid for what I wanted: AWD, manual, turbo’d and I’m gonna daily it for a few years. Resell value will remain. WRX’s keep their value and I’ll be keeping it stock (25 years old, I’m over speed chasing. It never ends).
Honestly after a week I got over the cladding. I still think that the back should get a refresh in a year or 2, but honestly good on Subaru for attempting to make a more durable rally able car. I bought an impreza outback sport 5mt this morning, I’ll see if I still have the same appreciation for the boxer 4 in a couple months.
An Impreza Outback sport. It may need some TLC, but that thing can be fun. Definitely it’s no WRX, but rev it out, I think it’ll be fun. (Saying this from owning an underpowered 2020 Impreza sport with the 2.0 boxer.)
@@nowiecoche it’s a 2008, and it’s honestly really clean. It needed a fender, but other than that there’s like absolutely no rust on the car. Needs a nice detailing and paint correction, but it should be perfect
No production car that subaru has ever made is "rally able". Rally inspired, yes. The difference is like the difference between having a bumper sticker of your favorite racetrack and actually being able to run a fast laptime.
My sister has a 2003 Chevy Avalanche with the cladding… I’m just about okay with it now. Now that it’s all rusty, I think, well at least crappy molding doesn’t rust… it just has that haze like old chocolate.
Travis Patrana not only jumped this thing from ramp to ramp but he apparently rally’d it for a few days and could not kill it. It was completely stock
Gotto get you into the algorithm my boy. Quality content as always.
Dude! I was so surprised to hear you shoutout P&L Motorsports! They built and tuned my STI using a lot of their custom parts. They’re dope as hell over there and build quality stuff!
P&L are one of the best in the Subaru world.
I saw a shop make 411 HP and 475 TQ on one of their WRXs
Just copped the Ice Silver 2022 WRX.. it’s my 1st manual, and I love it. I had to practice on it too 😂 Infotainment and car in general is great!
Man really wish Subaru would have just made it 300/350 from factory. Really don’t want to tune and mess with warranty
Love the content Gels! Between you, Alex, and Dakota it's so crazy to see the difference in content focus. It's really cool to see what once was a mix between the 3 is now something almost in a niche to what content people are looking for. Much love and Happy New Year! See you in 2023
Thank you so much! Happy new year to you as well!
I’d like to see the community (any car but especially Subarus) start really letting people know ots tunes need to go. Their only function being getting you to the tuner.
I hated the design at first, but once I saw the car in person it grew on me. I think the front looks great, but the plastic cladding I'm indifferent (it's good for durability and potential rust), but the rear I still don't like.
I ordered a 22 WRX Premium Manual in ignition red.
I'm going to stay away from tuning and other performance mods until I'm out of the warranty, even though this engine has tons of potential.
It definitely has grown on me a bit as well, especially after seeing it with some modifications, but still, not my favorite. Hope you have fun with it!
Congrats on the purchase. 22 6mt premium here as well…like you said, cladding isn’t so much but the rear end is her worst angle for sure. Still a super fun car to drive. Enjoy!
I sincerely hope they fix the design in the mid gen refresh, I can’t get over the looks.
Agreed, all they gotta do is remove the cladding and change the tail lights, maybe add a wing
@@somedudenameddes0121 Subaru isn’t going to do any of that, so don’t get your hopes up. The cladding is here to stay on this gen. There are pre painted aftermarket replacements for the cladding, if you are willing to spend the money.
The cladding makes the car look great.
@@dannytse8767 I’m more worried about the rear bumper and taillights
The looks are starting to grow on me, honestly.
It's fortunate people are sleeping on this because it's actually available at a discount off MSRP in many cases according to sales statistic data. In Dark Gray Metallic (same setup as on my Crosstrek, which they seem to have stolen the wheelwell cladding from) the styling holds up much better.
I like that they put the ascent engine in it. Tons of tuning potential.
Before I bought my Elantra N I test drove one of these and was pretty disappointed in comparison. The Elantra N feels faster and is a lot more fun to drive when being pushed. It’s not a bad car, if you actually need the AWD I guess it would make sense, but drive the Elantra N before deciding IMO.
It’s a Hyundai though!
Personally I like the N performance, exhaust and interior. Though imo the Elantra N is worse looking than the 22 WRX
@@hahaadventures4838 So?
At least Subaru made it easy to make our own STI. But we need that front and rear lsd tho.
Very interesting and additional fun for out-of-warranty WRX's. Not sure if any of this applies to the Outback's 2.4 Setup. Also the elephant in the room is Subaru will void warranty for any engine/drivetrain modifications like this (and no, you can't simply reverse the tuning during warranty claims as the ECU remembers the changes).
Prime motoring made 414whp with E and bolt ons
Impressive!
Best bang for buck when you consider modding. Oh and thanks haters. It was you that caused me to have one in my driveway.
I think this was pretty obvious from the beginning. Larger displacement with less boost and a linear power band making more power than the FA20. Not sure why people were so disappointed. Peak horsepower never tells the story
The guys at PrimeMotoring with JRTuned are loving the new platform. Have theirs sitting in the low 400s. Apparently they boosted an older FA24 (Ascent I believe) a few years ago and the motor itself is pretty stout, just eats power. I’m excited for it. Seems like the best performing WRX in a while, as far as power numbers go for a stock block. I believe they had a post on Instagram as well, saying this has the least drivetrain loss/highest wheel output compared to older gen WRX/STi’s
I feel like if they get the looks better (even tho it still looks like a legacy to me) i feel like the horsepower addiction is only for people in areas where pump e85 is available. But also all the WRXs at the Subaru dealership I work at has sold a few handfulls of the cars and havent heard any complaints yet
When it's lowered, aftermarket wheels, and painted plastic cladding it looks pretty good. How does the engine hold power? Will it stay together? Crispy bacon on a tuna sandwich is king by the way.
Went to Florida for new years and was on the highway for awhile and ran into one me and the dude just started cruising with each other n they look nice man I can’t lie🔥🔥
I’m glad they may finally get a great engine but it’s just too ugly for me. Let get that in a BRZ/86!
The FA24 found its way into the new BRZ as well! Minus the turbo of course 😅
When i saw the stock fa24 was running such low boost, i knew tuning would bring a lot out of the engine. Maybe the aftermarket will bail them out.
You do realize this is a subaru engine we are talking about right? I mean i love subaru but their engines have always been fragile and the fa series is no exception.
@@ianholmquist8492 you can tell they definitely planned on putting this motor in the sti with all this headroom left in the wrx motor. I wouldn’t call these new motors fragile. The weakest point was the clutch on the fa20.
@@ChazOfGod the 2017 wrx that i owned started knocking badly on cold starts after only 40k miles and everything on the car was bone stock except the wheels. I am religious about maintenance on my vehicles too. Oddly enough i have always found the ej engines more reliable, having owned a few. So i traded the wrx in for a 21 sti
I'll definitely give the FA24 the props it deserves. The diaper butt rear bumper, ridiculous fender cladding, and 90s black plastic front bumper not so much.
I'm 52, from Bflo, NY, and just purchased a new WRX. Subaru knows its target audience. I ordered the new GR Corolla but had to let it go. The WRX hit all the checkboxes plus was $10k lower than the GR plus the dealer had the one I was considering in stock with the right trim. Don't have to wait a year and a half for a new car. The trade was good on my modded-out MINI and that was a wrap. The car is quiet nut rumbles. Tinit, New Gram Light 57DRs, and tires for now. Not even touching the suspension. The new WRX is an awesome car and I'm proud to own one.
Gels is back. Dope video just giving info. Wish you and Dakota could do some sort of live review
Thank you! We definitely have some things in the works!
That dark orange looks sooooo good! @3:55
Every time there’s a wrx released … this conversation happens !!! And then u buy one 😂😂😂😂😂
I have my consoles right next to my monitor as well 😂😂
ThOse are some healthy numbers!!!!!!!
Honestly it's just the rear bumper that bothers me. The rest I can get over
A guy just ran an 11.09 second quarter mile with just an intake, fmic, j-pipe, and tune lol
Most were wrong ;) I bought one early as we saw people make big power on the fa24dit like Prime. 11 second daily for 30k, not bad. Not much out there that compares on the new cars for the money.
I wouldn't say people were wrong about the 2022 model besides the plastic that's going to fade out but that's easily resolved with a little bit of paint. I would say the biggest complaint about the 2022 models was the lack of the true STI touch. Slapping wings and lip kits does not define it as an STI entirely. The whole world was hoping for a true tuned 400 horsepower STI, possibly completed with a bigger turbo that doesn't instantly spool and fall on its face on the top end, which it does.
It's not that bad. All you need to do is completely void your warranty, spend thousands of dollars on bolt-ons, give your car questionable reliability, and it might make up for the bad exterior design.
My local shop (VEMS tuning) slapped down 318 whp and 332 wtq on 93 octane with nothing but an ETS intake. They think they can get past 350 whp by adding just a downpipe/exhaust and intercooler to that on 93 octane…
We always knew the engine was going to be good but the rest of the car is lacking
As a previous gen owner, all I wanted was for a new STI to come out. Apparently, subaru has been losing a lot of money and will instead focus on electrification. The new WRX isn't much of an upgrade over the previous gen with the 2022 being heavier and (slower?) I intentionally saved money for a new STi. Big disappointment
Downpipe/E50 makes like 380WHP on these. I'm not even a Subie guy and these are kinda cool. Appearance is pretty bad, but you could make this a sweet daily.
Whenever a car company wants to kill a car they design it like this to limit sales and then blame low sales
Not even interested in WRXs all that much however great video man
Someone also ran an 11.2 with intake, downpipe, FMIC, e50 blend, passenger and rear seat removed. Had a wheel and tire package as well.
I dig the new WRX but one thing that I dislike is its rear thing looks like a Prius 😅
It’s been a year, time for that update video!
There was a 11.5 sec time run at a track and it was not even on full bolts it was just om intake and catback and front mount and tune with e4or e30 mix so that is Hella impressive
Good viable and interesting information! Thanks 😊✌🏼
nah...that info-tainment ctr, plastic cladding and Civic tailights are still MAJOR turn-offs for me...i'll be keeping my gorgeous blue pandemic special 2020 WRX, thank you.
Had a first run of the previous 2.0L WRX generation. Extremely disappointed, bad electric and brake failures in the winter. Got an '18 WRX STI (tuned) instead and couldnt be happier. I won't support anymore bad business decisions from Subaru. FYSA the STI is undriveable in 1-2nd gear without a Cobb tune. Still miss my 2013 WRX Hatch...
Is anyone actually surprised that the FA24 is capable of a lot more power than the previous engine? It's a bigger engine with less factory boost, so of course there's room to grow.
Personally it reminds me a lot of the 90s catfish Camaro. Not an overly appealing car visually but the motor and drivetrain will attract enthusiasts regardless. Hopefully the aftermarket will remedy the cladding but until then we’ll be waiting on a facelift in 2-5 years.
i test drove one and the first thing that i noticed that was better was the clutch
The clutch has a really nice feel. It’s similar to the type r clutch.
+1 for Algorithm. Good vid keep it up Gels!
Thank you!
Chances are if it was dyno tuned in AZ its on 91 octane not 93 octane. Since 93 is not available unless otherwise mixed with some type of higher octane fuel.
Go look at how much prime made with theirs😂 They REALLY are pushing it
I think the only WRX that they really missed the mark on was the narrowbody GE sedan. They fixed it quickly enough. I think the new one is growing on me. I honestly hated the hawkeye at first.. But now I need one
Gut feeling is this engine won’t rev but it will be stronger than the 2 litre fa and just add boost for solid engine power that will surpass it older sibling fa
Nice new car to own and mod. Buying a used one modded out could be questionable.
got one wrblue and love it!! such a fun car
I might buy them all, just to put in storage
😂
I absolutely love my 22 WRX.
I mean when i look at it design is fine, Its pretty much function over form, like the plastics are gonna protect the car a bit, yeah they dumped an ipad in there because its just simpler to do at the end of the day.
I'm currently making 760 wheel on a 2015 sti so these numbers don't really sway me but they are still impressive when compared apples to apples with the ej25. Direct injection makes a decent bump but without tech present to clean the valves the build up makes di a nonstarter for me. I don't hate the new wrx but also not in love. The fa heads are much more expensive than mine from the previous gen but I assume it's because they are more complex. All in all if someone has one that's pretty cool no hate whatsoever but not something I'm personally interested in owning.
if the wrx had the same di/port setup as the brz it would be a game changer, feel like the STI would've went that route had they kept it around
@@Murf1500 ya I think that was a toyota stipulation because subaru hasn't brought that to their other models but should be standard across all Manu imo
2015 STI can't even handle 500 whp without blowing the engine.
@@TheRealCatof oh definitely. You must build the engine to withstand the mods you are adding. Idt I'd trust the stock block above 350 wheel.
There is a method to keep the intake valves clean, it's called water methanol injection.
Welcome to 2020. Type r, golf r, golf gti been making this type of power with a splash of E for a while now.
Ok I hear you. Now I just have to get over the history
Good video bro. The audio needs some work
For sure😅 working with what I got right now, a new mic is first on the list!
Don’t care how much power it’ll make I’ll just do a swap in my 2016 lol. The care is just ugly except for the wagon which we don’t get here in the states.
x2; interchangeability between other VA and VB.
The 2022 wrx looks better than the previous platform in my opinion. More aggressive in the front and drives like champ.
You gotta be trolling 🤣
@@somedudenameddes0121 i agree with him. I hated the look of the VAs. The GRs (specifically the hatch) was the last generation I liked, then the hawkeyes before that. The VB looks so good and the FA24 is looking very good as well so far
@@somedudenameddes0121 they were bland imo
What if you have the CVT? How much power can those handle?
Stock power levels
I think Subaru should make a turbo charged H6
That’s the same engine in my 2023 Subaru outback wilderness just tuned a little differently from the factory to 266 hp and 277 tq. I wonder what that stage one computer tune can do for my Subaru
All the details mentioned at the intro are pointless. The car is still gimped and underpowered.
Now if it only looked better. Used to love my 09 sti wagon. The reliability not so much
Curious to see what this means for the brz/gr86 platform.
I have really high hopes for the new generation!
Forgive me for being old enough to remember real muscle cars long ago but shouldn’t the most powerful engines be in 2 door cars ?? Why is that engine in a 4 door family car and a weaker engine in their 2 door sporty car ??
All that money to drive a car that looks like it was made by IKEA, and still see the tail lights of the new Golf R.. Subaru has left the building.
Arent more and more states trying to shut down the tuning/modifications? I'm for moving and turning make the car your own 👍🤘🤘
New legacy sport has a turbo again and a 2.4 as well, its prob just cvt tho 😢😅
I’m also worried about the high torque figure. Hoping a stock location bolt on can have nearly the same response, and keep the tq down for longevity.
Stronger connecting rods and .4 more displacement. I wouldn’t be super worried. I’ve been 430/350 on my fa20 for 4 years.
@@mikejmahon28 wrx transmission not an sti transmission. thats why most people are worried about the torque i believe
@@monstermash479 lol true that. Is it the same is the VA trans?
@@mikejmahon28 yes its the same 6 speed
@@monstermash479 oh yikes.
Don't like the WRX? Try the BRZ. How many small car companies have two sports cars? I like my old 2013 Subaru Legacy, now with 130,000 miles on it. Suspension needed replacing the last 10,000 miles but that is about it. Oh, and the Master Brake Cylinder failed at 118,000 miles. Before that, nothing. So long lasting cars that are good in the snow in mountains are what I like.
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If we're talking performance... then no one was wrong...?
Aesthetics were the issue.
Also, having driven one pretty hard, the driver feel is SEVERELY lacking... super numb.
The dangers of conformity allows the masses to watch leaders with vision
The CVT isn’t going to hold up. It’s failing with stock power levels.
It’s really not surprising it’s a new 2.4 turbo engine
I thought they stopped making these?
Only reason I don't buy a Subaru is the engines. Cant support a vehicle that needs so much disassembly for basic maintenance in the name of a few millimeters of center gravity.
Everyone was wrong? Wrong about what? Tuner shop performance numbers are great & all but has Subaru North America released the sales numbers for the 22’ WRX?? Because if it isn’t selling in numbers equal to or greater than the previous generation WRX, then the only one who got it wrong is Subaru. Then again that’s just my opinion not facts. 🤷🏽♂️
So it’s not ugly AF? I’m confused
Still kinda ugly lol