Just got my viper 430 today and sighted in. Field points are insanely accurate out to the 40 yards I checked them. I'm talking near single hole accuracy at 40 yards. Fast and accurate, this bow is going to be a best seller for sure.
Speed of sound at sea level is like 1,100 FPS---No more jumping the string. Will it ever be ? Kinda doubt it myself but the NEW threshold sure seems to be getting to 600 FPS.
I felt like I was just listening to a friend in his living room. I don't know why but damn this was pleasant and enlightening to listen to. You have a great presentation method here. Thank you
Great video! I mostly watched it for your take on the new release and technology- I’ll stick with the 305fps (ish) Excalibur because I love the simplicity…. And it’s still new to me after just one season. Perhaps I’ll ‘Progress’ to so else one day. I appreciate your take and opinions
The string riding the rail can quickly eat up the serving especially if no rail lube is being used. I like using Angel Majesty .036 serving when I build x-bow bow strings. It is very tuff, grips the string very well, it work hardens and wear resistant.
I have the viper s 400. The outside rails the string rides on and the center rails are lower and the bolt rides on them. The bow uncocked is 14.5 inches to the outside of the cams.
Watched one of your videos on the ten Point crossbow and you were talking about lowering your crossbow from a tree stand and being careful not to bump the scope against the tree and nock it off line. I have 12 tree stands and have attached a permanent cord to each stand that hangs down about 4 to 5 feet off the ground on the most open side of the tree stand , which also has a open metal hook that attaches to the stirrup of the crossbow which can be easily attached and detached. Never have a problem with the scope, because the crossbow is always freely hanging in open space. Thanks
Ive got a Ten Point Turbo from Scheels. All told I spent just under a grand and the bow is fast as all hell. It came with a quiver and scope and Ive taken two bucks in the past two years, this years being a 160" monster, biggest of my life. You dont have to spend two grand to kill deer, and this coming from a guy who used to buy 1000 dollar bare bow Matthews.
My first year with a crossbow and love all your info. Also like seeing all the new things coming out. Do you have any plans of reviewing some "lower end" crossbows? Mine is the Killer Instinct Fuel 415 and so far I'm loving it, even though I have nothing else used to compare it too.
Welcome to crossbows! Definitely looking at the so-called lower and crossbows, also, there's some good ones out there that I am excited about looking at. Thanks for watching and good luck out there!
I have been using a 10 pr titan extreme for the last 14 years and have taken deer every year...its not as fast as curent bows and i woyld love to have a newer bow ..my bow was rated at 333 .i shoot bolts that bring it down to around 315. The deer still drop...take your time take good shots and enjoy your success....10 pt makes great xbows...
Great video and your right. The price is going to go through the roof. But that deer or elk is not going to know how fast the arrow is going. It will kill him all the same.
Another great video I noticed you have a momentum calculator mentioned in your videos I was wondering wouldn't it be nice to have a calculator based on limb poundage and powerstroke to figure out speed. Say I'm working on a crossbow and I increase the power stroke by 2 in, how fast will the bow be theoretically?
I took my my first crossbow buck this year it's only a 3 pointer but big enough for me /Ive been hunting with a CenterPoint 390 dagger /,I have to hunt using a cane so I've fallen on it many times to the point we're I fogged the scope and put a red dot on it midseason ! /I guess what I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter what brand or how xpensev your bowor crossbow is what matters is that we get out there respect the land and animals have fun and introduce other people to or great sport no matter there Creed or colour ....that's all that matters
Revx is a nice one for sure...but 400 fps with a 350 grain arrow vs 430fps with a 400 grainer on the tenpoint I think. Shoot them both if you can but I'd lean tenpoint personally.
I own three Barnett crossbows. The XP400, XP380, and the TS380. I measured the limbs thickness and length and they are identical. However the ATA on the XP400 is 1/4 of an inch shorter than the XP380. I believe that's how they change the speed is by advancing the cams.
Great video Rich! Yes, it's all about competition and marketing for sure! The two BIG players in the crossbow business I feel are Ten Point and Ravin. These two are clearly the IBM and XEROX of our times (or GM and FORD if you'd prefer)! That said, I can't wait to see what they're offering at the next Great American Outdoors Show! But, I do think the best value in the industry is offered by Wicked Ridge which is the second, economy line of Ten Point! Would love to know what market share percentage Ten Point owns, but they are the dominant company in the industry. Keep up the great videos! Nice looking fireplace! Happy New Year!
We all ready do get a few matches stick em together launch em. You will reach 700 fps once maybe twice lol. The main downfall with the speeds is that the bolts get lighter and lighter. What good is all this speed if it can’t penetrate? I do not care about a 500 fps crossbow this is not impressive. Now 500 fps with 600-1000 grain bolt with over 1.0 slugs of momentum….. this is impressive this would be a crossbow to have.
The Nitro 505 can launch a 530 grain arrow at 465+ fps. Energy is in excess of 260 ft lbs. in fact, it will carry more than 1 slug past 70 yards. My 505 drives a 470 grain arrow at 500+ fps. That’s 263 ft lbs! It is laser accurate. Many of the 505’s are clocking more than 505 fps. Mine recorded 521 at the factory. Do I need that kind of energy for deer? No way! But there are some advantages that can be recognized.
Is that a flat-screen television with a fire on it giving you the look of an actual fireplace? I thought it was an insert at 1st but at different angles it looks like a flat screen TV. :-)
The want to not have the accuslide is because it uses a strong magnet so theres a chance itll effect your medical device. I have a baclofen pump so ill just stick to the slow tenpoints that i can use the accusled for. Sled is so much easier than hooks and a retractable cord so you don't have to untangle it ❤❤❤❤
I believe that scorpyd has a great range of availability on their crossbows. The aculeus for example 480 FPS 180# draw weight ,430 FPS 160# draw weight,400 FPS 135 #draw weight,370 FPS 110 #draw weight.
Rich will you make a vid talking about pros vs cons of reverse limbs? I’m seeing the new Tenpoint lineup and noticed they have both stiles but i dunno what the advantage is.
I think you right on the mark about the thin rail and wear. I have a TP with this design and believe me it wears like others maybe even more. What I think it might do on a micro level is increase speed by decreasing drag, but that i would think would be negligible.
Ordered one while watching this video, but I had my mind made up last week. Technically, this bow is closer to 40-50 fps faster than the previous s400. The s400 was rated at 400 fps with a 370 grain arrow. This one is rated at 430 with a 400 grain arrow.
The white on the Crossbow can be like the Deer`s Flag is White which alerts other Deer of Danger. That sounds good but the price almost $ 2,000 to fork out for a Crossbow that I`m only going to hunt with less than a Month with till Gun Season. Enjoyed it Rich
give it 10 yrs and we will be just setting up our crossbows in a hide, go to a log cabin for a beer etc watching our scopes through a phone, and it will be full auto and we just go to track the deer that we shot remotely LOL. Thx for for the info.
Love my center point 415. And I'll probably keep it till I absolutely need to get something else. In my opinion I don't see myself needing anything much faster.
Great fireside chat 👌 love this style video lesson. I bought my first crossbow not long ago off Amazon. Rocky Mountain 405 from Feradyne. Came with a crank. $200 sale. After 13 shot, limb split. Feradyne replaced. No cost. I like the crossbow. My concern; does LOW COST mean a TRASHY product? These new crossbows from Ten Point are extremely expensive but high tech. I go to Bass Pro to look at Crossbows & it’s like shopping for a new car! 😢😳😂. My RM 405 came with a scope. Bit cheesy. Plan to replace. Know of any good scopes? 🤣🤣👍 I can see what you mean. Scopes of the future will get smaller & include range finding capabilities. A natural progression of competitive marketing. Anyway…great videos. Excellent fireside 🔥 chats 👌 keep it up. More please. Thanks Ken
I believe the crossbows are mostly inefficient due to a short power stroke, the bow is being cut short in travel to allow more energy to be transfered to the arrow. If you lengthen the string, and lengthened where the string is held by the trigger to where the string is at rest(rail) then you'll have a more efficient bow. A 2 in increase in powerstroke is huge because there's so much available energy going to waste. I noticed a difference in shot time when I went from a forward limb crossbow to a reverse draw. The reverse draw takes more time to release the arrow because it has a longer powerstroke. Well I've said enough to, thanks for the video
I don't own a Ten Point, but I like the fact that Ten Point/Wicked Ridge offers a wide price range of crossbows. This is not new, however. If you want an entry level crossbow under $1,000 for example, brands like Ravin, Scorpyd, & Mission are eliminated. Ravin is owned by the same company as Centerpoint, however. Ten Point checks some nice boxes with their Turbo S1 & up models. The ability to safely decock without firing your crossbow with their ACCUslide system seems slick. I have the impression Ten Point's customer service is also top notch from what others share about them most of the time. Most of all, Ten Point is still a family owned company. I can name numerous archery companies (not just crossbows) that were sold out to some other company, and some of the family owned charm of the company is lost. Ten Point also offers something new each year. I don't think Ten Point is offering anything that new this year, however. The 400-505 fps models this year are not all that different from last year's models. There are still new models to pick from, however. Whereas Mission hasn't changed/added a crossbow or compound bow model since 2019. Missions seems to be an after thought for Mathews, which seems a bit ironic. Mathews has been cranking out a new flagship bow since I have been following them ( they moved to Sparta, Wisconsin in 1995). The more I look at crossbows, the more I am drawn to the simplicity of Excalibur crossbows (don't own one either) that can be rope cocked. I could care less about speed, & I don't think crossbows are going beyond the 400-500 fps range any time soon. Compound bow speeds really haven't changed much the past decade or more. I think crossbows will be peak soon, too. I could be wrong, however. If it takes an electric motor to cock a high speed crossbow, I have a problem with that (unless you have a medical reason). That's just me, however.
100% Mission seems like Mathews can barely tolerate having them, although I hear they might release something new next year in 2024. And of course that one will sit around for 6 years lol. I get what you're saying about electric motors being where you draw the line, but I draw the line on cranks, personally. I really don't want one. Different Strokes for different folks!
Excalibur offers a system similar to what tenpoint does for the crank on some of their higher end models. Frankly, Excalibur is far too expensive for what they are. Most of their technology is in the limbs. No cams, no fancy rails. If they offered their assassin 420 for $1200 or under, I'd probably give it a solid look.
@@Deathbybunjie Sadly (depending how you look at it), that's where Mission blows everyone away. Their rope cocking feature is awesome! Being able to decock your crossbow with two hands while the crossbow remains set on safe is an feature that every rope cocking crossbow should offer. I've only tried it with their Sub-1 in an archery shop, & it's very easy to cock & decock with a rope. I rather rope cock myself, but I don't fault those who feel more comfortable with a crank (your daughter included). :) Safety first! Mission crossbows can also be worked on without a bow press (in some ways easier than an Excalibur), and that's another perk they have. Mission has done some things right, but they are overdue for an update for sure! NIce chatting with you!
@@hunterdan2002 Ravin has improved their cranks, too. Excaliburs are priced a bit high, but they also come with a lifetime warranty. Everyone else makes crossbows with cams. It's nice that one company offers something different. I respect Excalibur, because they offer more affordable models too. Mag 340 is not a speed demon, but it's a nice package for some.
The Original Bunjie is a 2010 Excalibur Axiom, great stuff. New ones are a lot iffermet but they're a good company just the same. You gotta buy what's right for you though. Video on new Excaliburs coming soon.
What you explained about coming out early with an awesome lineup is exactly what Elite did this year in the compound world! Set the bar and no one came close!
I dont know if its in your budget but you ever think about buying random crossbows new and old and doing breakdown/reviews on them. I think it could be a informative series.
Iv had multiple excailber bows don't get me wrong there great but im 99.99% sold on either a stealth 450 or a flatline 460. 99% of its use would be for elk and moose in timber
Having recently gotten my first crossbow, shooting a mere 400fps with a 400 grain arrow setup, this is making me feel crossbow envy... and I haven't even shot a deer yet. Haha... Someday, I'll have proven my skill enough to bother considering a bow this expensive.
Crossbow envy, I hear it! And I agree, we need to make the most of what we have. Me and the Scorpyd need more time together, too, before I talk upgrade haha
Yeah the excuse from 10 point for the stirrup is crap….mine has the built in retractable rope cocker….but you need a stirrup and its so tiny you cant get any boot in it….tennis shoe or barefoot is best. My smallest hunting boot I can only get the tip of my boot in….very dangerous.
Love the crossbow. But being on a fixed income, if I paid $1000 for a crossbow, i`d have to sell it to pay for my divorce. I shoot $250 barnett using $3 bolts. Taken plenty of deer with it.
Pretty cool videos always enjoy them. Obviously you don’t know too much about the mobile hunting game… but the tree stand in the picture… the hang on one… it looks like a lone wolf custom gear stand. Runs like 600ish just for the stand. And if you add sticks… let’s just say you’re looking at $1k in stand and sticks easy. Lol
Well, obviously you don't know very much about the mobile hunting game either because Lone Wolf is now known as novix and that's a novix stand haha. I'm just busting on you. But actually I was looking at those and I really like that stand. They're about $400 for one that weighs about 11 lb and has a nice big platform for my big boots. I can get that stand and a set of their sticks, which I love, for $200. So really it's about $600 worth of stuff. Novix is the same company that made the sticks for my tree saddle. This is probably the setup I will use next year, but I'm kind of waiting to see if any other new products come out. It's just kind of ironic that I was looking at exactly this setup.
Dang ten points owes me 400 bucks as 3 years ago I payed 2100 for my 440 . I must be gullible lol still I love my bow . # the big bucks did not come with the deal lol I had to go out and get them on my own.
my bulldog 440 was around 1000$ or there abouts now their crossbows with lower speed cost almost twice that amount and other decent crossbows costs 2000 and up, not made of any expensive materials, i would have though that the more crossbows are made those would be cheaper to make but here it the opposite, limbs need to be made as light as possible and as strong possible within limits with the moving mass as light as a possible . beside the limbs on a crossbow nothing special to make and yet they have become so expensive my bulldog and my old vortex will be the last ones i buy since new ones are ludcrously expensive if price change from 1000 to 2500 would and get me 750 or 800 fps i could understand the price hike but not like it is at the moment. and a supercharged bow hmm didnt see one on that bow, the only blower is behind the trigger and the only time he would be charged would be with a beer or two. p.s. and soon we will see 1000fps with a 50gr arrow but the weight might not be disclosed until someone figues it out.
Bulldog 440 is no longer made, but Cabela's has some on sale right now for about $1,200. A few other Excalibur crossbows are on sale, too. Just sharing that for anyone reading these comments.
a bow is a bow and the beauty of hunting with such is to get stoneage man feeling of a hunt and be close to the nature while doing it. and hunting beyond 50m is for a gun and not a bow for several reasons, there is not many of us shooters that are extremly good at precision in these tense situations even with a rifle in cold weather with gloves and breath fogging up sunglasses, so why the egerness to shoot so far, and 50m arrow still penetratates animal with ease. also i would say that alot of shoots are done out pure egerness to make a shot.
Pretty silly of tenpoint to think that less area = less wear. This goes 100% against what is taught in Engineering Mechanics courses, and also against what is observed in real life. Less area means all the wear will be concentrated to that smaller area. And amount of friction has only to do with the normal force multiplied by the coefficient of friction. Area does not factor into friction forces. Look at snow sleds... You go for a sled with a lot of contact area, to spread out the load. Snowboards, skis, etc. Many other examples in life.
@@Deathbybunjie yes time will tell. Or another way of looking at it.... Would serving last longer on Bunjie if rail was current width? Or just 1/8" wide on each side of groove?? Rhetorical question... Since the obvious answer is the current width (more surface area). But tenpoint marketing folk had to come up with the fancy "micro track" term and sell it as a false benefit, vs true reason which is the accuslide needs the grooves to function. Excalibur Assassin also has similar guides/grooves machined into the top of their rails, but you don't see excalibur making false claim about what those grooves do.
@@Deathbybunjie Excalibur doesn't make any claims for the grooves on the top of the Assassin rails. They are just part of the design, because they have to be, for the sliding latch function.
Spent $ 2500.00 3 years ago for the nitro xrt, knowing I would never out grow this cross bow . Don't get caught up in the hype they send out. It's like buying a car. You will never get your money back, and something better will be out in 6 months
If I own a $1,500+ crossbow some day, I will be set for life. I agree marketing hype is way overrated. I currently shoot a 10 year old compound bow. The specs on my compound bow are no different than today's compounds. I would feel like a fool buying a new compound bow these days. My current one is quiet, has a solid backwall, and is more accurate than I can shoot. Plus, I am eligible for free lifetime cables/string every 2 years for it. I really like what I have. A new one would seem like a downgrade to me. My days of compound bows are limited, however. Thus, I find myself here.
That viper looks very similar to my killer instinct fatal x, I do like the design as it's very easy to carry, it's also great for shooting from blinds. On another topic have you noticed if you go to buy food plot seed that regular seed in a sack is one price, but if you put a picture of a BIG buck on the bag the cost for the same seed doubles.. big bucks sell product. I like your coon mount on the wall 👍
Hey man I have been a taxidermist for years. Your mounts over that fireplace is a big nono. You will ruin them from heat .they dont like it. Just trying to save you some grief.
There are always going to be speed chasers and hopefully these front style crossbows will start advertising 430 fps with 600 grain bolts lol. Speed and momentum very necessary. But besides that there will be those that still like the classic or trad style look like recurves. I do not think recurve companies should chase speed but rather durability. But this is a specific special market. Ten point can compete with ravin its already better they have life time warranty and cheaper and quieter also just as fast to faster. Scorpyd is its own categoryjust like excalibur i do no think all crossbows should compete with each other. Realistically no matter how fast an excalibur can get it wont be anywhere near (with proper hunting setup) to 500 fps. But they can advertise 330 fps with heavier bolts and maybe change the market to something more practical.
@@Deathbybunjie that would be the only way and that’s because the reverse limb cam tech is a different beast for archery its whole science of operation is different.
10 point is junk! Friend of mine bought one in 2021 it needed string and cable replaced this year. Took to dealer they placed cables on wrong. Took back to shop they broke cranking system or it just broke. Would not cock. Sent to 10 point. They took 10-12 weeks to get back. Still makes noise in cranking system. Hunting season is over. Short story! Stay away!
@@Deathbybunjie You got ten plus years of reliable consistent hunting out of that correct hypothesis. You more than earned the right to an upgrade but it was because you wanted to not because you needed to. I believe if you only had the cheapest Chinese recurve crossbow available you could probably still go and get a dear with it while others would fail and blame the equipment. Better equipment will help to magnify the skills that you posses it doesn't compensate for a lack of skill in the first place.
One thing I found with the Killer Instinct SWAT X1 is that having the grip there does allow me to rest my elbow on my stomach when I shoot so maybe it is a good design thing I don't know
He really thinks he knows what he is talking about. He should try talking to one of the manufacturers or someone that maybe even works for a manufacturer. So here is one for you. The dovetail struts are new because it’s a new dovetail. Longer you except more optics/heavier optics. You need to do more or even some research.
I didn't hear Rich make any bold claims about being an expert on these crossbows. He's just window shopping like the rest of us. Your points are well taken, but I would lighten up a bit. Not trying to start a fight, but Rich was just exploring their website with us. I wouldn't jump to any conclusion that he's an expert on Ten Point crossbows by doing so.
Just got my viper 430 today and sighted in. Field points are insanely accurate out to the 40 yards I checked them. I'm talking near single hole accuracy at 40 yards. Fast and accurate, this bow is going to be a best seller for sure.
That's great, thank you for letting me know, and good luck!
Speed of sound at sea level is like 1,100 FPS---No more jumping the string. Will it ever be ? Kinda doubt it myself but the NEW threshold sure seems to be getting to 600 FPS.
Sitting in my recliner in Vermont eating dinner and watching another great video.....I do believe I will be owning one of these soon.
That's cool let me know how you make out!
I felt like I was just listening to a friend in his living room. I don't know why but damn this was pleasant and enlightening to listen to. You have a great presentation method here. Thank you
Thank you I'm glad you liked it, thanks for watching
Great commentary Ricch thank you.
Thank you for watching
Love that you are showcasing all the great bows after i just bought my NEW crossbow, 400+ FPS Barnett on sale Black Friday saved $150.
That's really cool though, good luck!
Great video! I mostly watched it for your take on the new release and technology- I’ll stick with the 305fps (ish) Excalibur because I love the simplicity…. And it’s still new to me after just one season. Perhaps I’ll
‘Progress’ to so else one day. I appreciate your take and opinions
Awesome review, thank you
I've used an older Horton the last few seasons but just bought a TenPoint Titan, added the string suppressor system. Can't wait to use it in the fall.
That's cool, good luck!
I have a tenpoint turbo s1......and a viper s400....I enjoy both!...
The string riding the rail can quickly eat up the serving especially if no rail lube is being used. I like using Angel Majesty .036 serving when I build x-bow bow strings. It is very tuff, grips the string very well, it work hardens and wear resistant.
I watched almost this entire video thinking that was just some incredible REAL fire 😆
I have the viper s 400. The outside rails the string rides on and the center rails are lower and the bolt rides on them. The bow uncocked is 14.5 inches to the outside of the cams.
Thanks for heads up on rail cool
Watched one of your videos on the ten Point crossbow and you were talking about lowering your crossbow from a tree stand and being careful not to bump the scope against the tree and nock it off line. I have 12 tree stands and have attached a permanent cord to each stand that hangs down about 4 to 5 feet off the ground on the most open side of the tree stand , which also has a open metal hook that attaches to the stirrup of the crossbow which can be easily attached and detached. Never have a problem with the scope, because the crossbow is always freely hanging in open space. Thanks
💯 I do this at home sometimes, not so lucky on the road haha
Ive got a Ten Point Turbo from Scheels. All told I spent just under a grand and the bow is fast as all hell. It came with a quiver and scope and Ive taken two bucks in the past two years, this years being a 160" monster, biggest of my life. You dont have to spend two grand to kill deer, and this coming from a guy who used to buy 1000 dollar bare bow Matthews.
My first year with a crossbow and love all your info. Also like seeing all the new things coming out. Do you have any plans of reviewing some "lower end" crossbows? Mine is the Killer Instinct Fuel 415 and so far I'm loving it, even though I have nothing else used to compare it too.
Welcome to crossbows! Definitely looking at the so-called lower and crossbows, also, there's some good ones out there that I am excited about looking at. Thanks for watching and good luck out there!
I have been using a 10 pr titan extreme for the last 14 years and have taken deer every year...its not as fast as curent bows and i woyld love to have a newer bow ..my bow was rated at 333 .i shoot bolts that bring it down to around 315. The deer still drop...take your time take good shots and enjoy your success....10 pt makes great xbows...
Great video and your right. The price is going to go through the roof. But that deer or elk is not going to know how fast the arrow is going. It will kill him all the same.
Another great video I noticed you have a momentum calculator mentioned in your videos I was wondering wouldn't it be nice to have a calculator based on limb poundage and powerstroke to figure out speed. Say I'm working on a crossbow and I increase the power stroke by 2 in, how fast will the bow be theoretically?
That is a great idea, I'm going to give that some thought and I hope that my partner in crime, Old grumpy hunter, will think about it also LOL
Nice line of crossbows TenPoint are rolling out. Definitely raising the bar for the competition. I wish a dollar stretched farther nowadays!
Same here!
I took my my first crossbow buck this year it's only a 3 pointer but big enough for me /Ive been hunting with a CenterPoint 390 dagger /,I have to hunt using a cane so I've fallen on it many times to the point we're I fogged the scope and put a red dot on it midseason ! /I guess what I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter what brand or how xpensev your bowor crossbow is what matters is that we get out there respect the land and animals have fun and introduce other people to or great sport no matter there Creed or colour ....that's all that matters
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TenPoint and wicked ridge make wonderful crossbows!
Bungy question I am looking for a cross bow. Right now I like the revx Excalibur and the ten point viper 430 please give some advice. Thank you
Revx is a nice one for sure...but 400 fps with a 350 grain arrow vs 430fps with a 400 grainer on the tenpoint I think. Shoot them both if you can but I'd lean tenpoint personally.
I own three Barnett crossbows. The XP400, XP380, and the TS380. I measured the limbs thickness and length and they are identical. However the ATA on the XP400 is 1/4 of an inch shorter than the XP380. I believe that's how they change the speed is by advancing the cams.
Interesting, thanks!
do you think the burris oracle will be good on the viper
Oh, yeah, I definitely think so.
@@Deathbybunjie just bought the pkg from wyvern creations. David called me personally what a great guy I’m from mass said i ll have it in few days
Great video Rich! Yes, it's all about competition and marketing for sure! The two BIG players in the crossbow business I feel are Ten Point and Ravin. These two are clearly the IBM and XEROX of our times (or GM and FORD if you'd prefer)! That said, I can't wait to see what they're offering at the next Great American Outdoors Show! But, I do think the best value in the industry is offered by Wicked Ridge which is the second, economy line of Ten Point! Would love to know what market share percentage Ten Point owns, but they are the dominant company in the industry. Keep up the great videos! Nice looking fireplace! Happy New Year!
10 years from now, I hope we will have 700 fps crossbows.
We all ready do get a few matches stick em together launch em. You will reach 700 fps once maybe twice lol.
The main downfall with the speeds is that the bolts get lighter and lighter.
What good is all this speed if it can’t penetrate? I do not care about a 500 fps crossbow this is not impressive. Now 500 fps with 600-1000 grain bolt with over 1.0 slugs of momentum….. this is impressive this would be a crossbow to have.
The Nitro 505 can launch a 530 grain arrow at 465+ fps. Energy is in excess of 260 ft lbs. in fact, it will carry more than 1 slug past 70 yards.
My 505 drives a 470 grain arrow at 500+ fps. That’s 263 ft lbs!
It is laser accurate. Many of the 505’s are clocking more than 505 fps. Mine recorded 521 at the factory. Do I need that kind of energy for deer? No way! But there are some advantages that can be recognized.
Just ordered my TenPoint Flatline 460.
Cant friggen wait!!
$2600 bucks.
That's awesome good luck!
Is that a flat-screen television with a fire on it giving you the look of an actual fireplace? I thought it was an insert at 1st but at different angles it looks like a flat screen TV. :-)
Yes it's just a television LOL sorry for the confusion
The want to not have the accuslide is because it uses a strong magnet so theres a chance itll effect your medical device. I have a baclofen pump so ill just stick to the slow tenpoints that i can use the accusled for. Sled is so much easier than hooks and a retractable cord so you don't have to untangle it ❤❤❤❤
I believe that scorpyd has a great range of availability on their crossbows. The aculeus for example 480 FPS 180# draw weight ,430 FPS 160# draw weight,400 FPS 135 #draw weight,370 FPS 110 #draw weight.
Rich will you make a vid talking about pros vs cons of reverse limbs? I’m seeing the new Tenpoint lineup and noticed they have both stiles but i dunno what the advantage is.
Ooooh good topic, will do. Scorpyd released a new model,will discuss in that video!!
I think you right on the mark about the thin rail and wear. I have a TP with this design and believe me it wears like others maybe even more. What I think it might do on a micro level is increase speed by decreasing drag, but that i would think would be negligible.
Oooh good point maybe a few fps more? But doesn't seem like a fix for servings.
Ordered one while watching this video, but I had my mind made up last week. Technically, this bow is closer to 40-50 fps faster than the previous s400. The s400 was rated at 400 fps with a 370 grain arrow. This one is rated at 430 with a 400 grain arrow.
Ahhhh good point that's awesome 👌
That fire is roaring!
LOL I better turn down the volume haha
The white on the Crossbow can be like the Deer`s Flag is White which alerts other Deer of Danger. That sounds good but the price almost $ 2,000 to fork out for a Crossbow that I`m only going to hunt with less than a Month with till Gun Season. Enjoyed it Rich
give it 10 yrs and we will be just setting up our crossbows in a hide, go to a log cabin for a beer etc watching our scopes through a phone, and it will be full auto and we just go to track the deer that we shot remotely LOL. Thx for for the info.
Love my center point 415. And I'll probably keep it till I absolutely need to get something else. In my opinion I don't see myself needing anything much faster.
That's a good crossbow at a good modern speed for sure
Great fireside chat 👌 love this style video lesson. I bought my first crossbow not long ago off Amazon. Rocky Mountain 405 from Feradyne. Came with a crank. $200 sale. After 13 shot, limb split. Feradyne replaced. No cost. I like the crossbow. My concern; does LOW COST mean a TRASHY product? These new crossbows from Ten Point are extremely expensive but high tech. I go to Bass Pro to look at Crossbows & it’s like shopping for a new car! 😢😳😂. My RM 405 came with a scope. Bit cheesy. Plan to replace. Know of any good scopes? 🤣🤣👍 I can see what you mean. Scopes of the future will get smaller & include range finding capabilities. A natural progression of competitive marketing.
Anyway…great videos. Excellent fireside 🔥 chats 👌 keep it up. More please.
Thanks Ken
Thanks for watching, I really appreciate your comments too. More on the way!
I believe the crossbows are mostly inefficient due to a short power stroke, the bow is being cut short in travel to allow more energy to be transfered to the arrow. If you lengthen the string, and lengthened where the string is held by the trigger to where the string is at rest(rail) then you'll have a more efficient bow. A 2 in increase in powerstroke is huge because there's so much available energy going to waste. I noticed a difference in shot time when I went from a forward limb crossbow to a reverse draw. The reverse draw takes more time to release the arrow because it has a longer powerstroke. Well I've said enough to, thanks for the video
Thanks for watching, and I think you will love my next video
Ten point was very smart publishing these updates right before tax season too.
Ah, a good point!
Hey for $599.99 u can new 2023 Barnett raptor great looking crossbow shoots 410 per its narrow too cocked 7.25 inch
Going to be looking at Barnett soon!
@@Deathbybunjie yea please look at that one u do great reviews
seen a youtube review on the viper 430 it shot 426 fps with a 403 grain arrow, he shot twice got the same speed
Good luck to Genevieve on her taxidermy studies. It is so much fun to create lifelike specimens.
I don't own a Ten Point, but I like the fact that Ten Point/Wicked Ridge offers a wide price range of crossbows. This is not new, however. If you want an entry level crossbow under $1,000 for example, brands like Ravin, Scorpyd, & Mission are eliminated. Ravin is owned by the same company as Centerpoint, however. Ten Point checks some nice boxes with their Turbo S1 & up models. The ability to safely decock without firing your crossbow with their ACCUslide system seems slick. I have the impression Ten Point's customer service is also top notch from what others share about them most of the time. Most of all, Ten Point is still a family owned company. I can name numerous archery companies (not just crossbows) that were sold out to some other company, and some of the family owned charm of the company is lost. Ten Point also offers something new each year. I don't think Ten Point is offering anything that new this year, however. The 400-505 fps models this year are not all that different from last year's models. There are still new models to pick from, however. Whereas Mission hasn't changed/added a crossbow or compound bow model since 2019. Missions seems to be an after thought for Mathews, which seems a bit ironic. Mathews has been cranking out a new flagship bow since I have been following them ( they moved to Sparta, Wisconsin in 1995). The more I look at crossbows, the more I am drawn to the simplicity of Excalibur crossbows (don't own one either) that can be rope cocked. I could care less about speed, & I don't think crossbows are going beyond the 400-500 fps range any time soon. Compound bow speeds really haven't changed much the past decade or more. I think crossbows will be peak soon, too. I could be wrong, however. If it takes an electric motor to cock a high speed crossbow, I have a problem with that (unless you have a medical reason). That's just me, however.
100% Mission seems like Mathews can barely tolerate having them, although I hear they might release something new next year in 2024. And of course that one will sit around for 6 years lol. I get what you're saying about electric motors being where you draw the line, but I draw the line on cranks, personally. I really don't want one. Different Strokes for different folks!
Excalibur offers a system similar to what tenpoint does for the crank on some of their higher end models. Frankly, Excalibur is far too expensive for what they are. Most of their technology is in the limbs. No cams, no fancy rails. If they offered their assassin 420 for $1200 or under, I'd probably give it a solid look.
@@Deathbybunjie Sadly (depending how you look at it), that's where Mission blows everyone away. Their rope cocking feature is awesome! Being able to decock your crossbow with two hands while the crossbow remains set on safe is an feature that every rope cocking crossbow should offer. I've only tried it with their Sub-1 in an archery shop, & it's very easy to cock & decock with a rope. I rather rope cock myself, but I don't fault those who feel more comfortable with a crank (your daughter included). :) Safety first! Mission crossbows can also be worked on without a bow press (in some ways easier than an Excalibur), and that's another perk they have. Mission has done some things right, but they are overdue for an update for sure! NIce chatting with you!
@@hunterdan2002 Ravin has improved their cranks, too. Excaliburs are priced a bit high, but they also come with a lifetime warranty. Everyone else makes crossbows with cams. It's nice that one company offers something different. I respect Excalibur, because they offer more affordable models too. Mag 340 is not a speed demon, but it's a nice package for some.
What do you. Think about X Caliber crossbow
The Original Bunjie is a 2010 Excalibur Axiom, great stuff. New ones are a lot iffermet but they're a good company just the same. You gotta buy what's right for you though. Video on new Excaliburs coming soon.
What you explained about coming out early with an awesome lineup is exactly what Elite did this year in the compound world! Set the bar and no one came close!
Now that's a crossbow I would seriously consider upgrading too, no gizmos! But that 2 stage trigger isn't something I would like at all.
It definitely would take some getting used to, wouldn't it?
I dont know if its in your budget but you ever think about buying random crossbows new and old and doing breakdown/reviews on them. I think it could be a informative series.
Iv had multiple excailber bows don't get me wrong there great but im 99.99% sold on either a stealth 450 or a flatline 460. 99% of its use would be for elk and moose in timber
Having recently gotten my first crossbow, shooting a mere 400fps with a 400 grain arrow setup, this is making me feel crossbow envy... and I haven't even shot a deer yet. Haha... Someday, I'll have proven my skill enough to bother considering a bow this expensive.
Crossbow envy, I hear it! And I agree, we need to make the most of what we have. Me and the Scorpyd need more time together, too, before I talk upgrade haha
Need a new crossbow well tell me the great one to buy.
Keep watching!
Forgot, the white in the camo is for shooting from treestands, look at skyline camo there's a lot of white in it.
Nice looking shirt!
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I had the viper 400 and I didn’t like it at all sold it and bought a ravin
you and me both any buck is fine as im a meat hunter.. yearlings, does, fork horns all look good in my freezer :))
They don't all look the same on the wall though haha but I totally get what you're saying
Yeah the excuse from 10 point for the stirrup is crap….mine has the built in retractable rope cocker….but you need a stirrup and its so tiny you cant get any boot in it….tennis shoe or barefoot is best. My smallest hunting boot I can only get the tip of my boot in….very dangerous.
I agree, if you can't put your whole foot in there, it just gets risky
Nice bows but wow $$$. Not with this economy. I think I’ll keep my older slower crossbow. Lol
You make a good point about the economy, hard to separate these crossbows from what's going on in the world
Yes, but Ten Point offers affordable models, too. Ravin, Scorpyd, Mission, & some of the others can't make that same claim.
Love the crossbow. But being on a fixed income, if I paid $1000 for a crossbow, i`d have to sell it to pay for my divorce. I shoot $250 barnett using $3 bolts. Taken plenty of deer with it.
Pretty cool videos always enjoy them. Obviously you don’t know too much about the mobile hunting game… but the tree stand in the picture… the hang on one… it looks like a lone wolf custom gear stand. Runs like 600ish just for the stand. And if you add sticks… let’s just say you’re looking at $1k in stand and sticks easy. Lol
Well, obviously you don't know very much about the mobile hunting game either because Lone Wolf is now known as novix and that's a novix stand haha. I'm just busting on you. But actually I was looking at those and I really like that stand. They're about $400 for one that weighs about 11 lb and has a nice big platform for my big boots. I can get that stand and a set of their sticks, which I love, for $200. So really it's about $600 worth of stuff. Novix is the same company that made the sticks for my tree saddle. This is probably the setup I will use next year, but I'm kind of waiting to see if any other new products come out. It's just kind of ironic that I was looking at exactly this setup.
I do like big bucks and I can not lie . Lol🎼🎼🎼
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Dang ten points owes me 400 bucks as 3 years ago I payed 2100 for my 440 . I must be gullible lol still I love my bow . # the big bucks did not come with the deal lol I had to go out and get them on my own.
Yeah I have same problem with the bucks 😕 haha but I love my xbows too lol
speed is good but accuracy is better!
And both is deadly!
my bulldog 440 was around 1000$ or there abouts now their crossbows with lower speed cost almost twice that amount and other decent crossbows costs 2000 and up, not made of any expensive materials, i would have though that the more crossbows are made those would be cheaper to make but here it the opposite, limbs need to be made as light as possible and as strong possible within limits with the moving mass as light as a possible . beside the limbs on a crossbow nothing special to make and yet they have become so expensive my bulldog and my old vortex
will be the last ones i buy since new ones are ludcrously expensive if price change from 1000 to 2500 would and get me 750 or 800 fps i could understand the price hike but not like it is at the moment. and a supercharged bow hmm didnt see one on that bow, the only blower is behind the trigger and the only time he would be charged would be with a beer or two. p.s. and soon we will see 1000fps with a 50gr arrow but the weight might not be disclosed until someone figues it out.
Bulldog 440 is no longer made, but Cabela's has some on sale right now for about $1,200. A few other Excalibur crossbows are on sale, too. Just sharing that for anyone reading these comments.
a bow is a bow and the beauty of hunting with such is to get stoneage man feeling of a hunt and be close to the nature while doing it. and hunting beyond 50m is for a gun and not a bow for several reasons, there is not many of us shooters that are extremly good at precision in these tense situations even with a rifle in cold weather with gloves and breath fogging up sunglasses, so why the egerness to shoot so far, and 50m arrow still penetratates animal with ease. also i would say that alot of shoots are done out pure egerness to make a shot.
You’re so right the bigger the buck the more $$$$ the xbow. Wait till they start showing off stags or elk lol 10k $ shooting 900 fps 😂
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Pretty silly of tenpoint to think that less area = less wear. This goes 100% against what is taught in Engineering Mechanics courses, and also against what is observed in real life.
Less area means all the wear will be concentrated to that smaller area.
And amount of friction has only to do with the normal force multiplied by the coefficient of friction. Area does not factor into friction forces.
Look at snow sleds... You go for a sled with a lot of contact area, to spread out the load. Snowboards, skis, etc. Many other examples in life.
Kind of what I was thinking! Time will tell!
@@Deathbybunjie yes time will tell. Or another way of looking at it.... Would serving last longer on Bunjie if rail was current width? Or just 1/8" wide on each side of groove??
Rhetorical question... Since the obvious answer is the current width (more surface area).
But tenpoint marketing folk had to come up with the fancy "micro track" term and sell it as a false benefit, vs true reason which is the accuslide needs the grooves to function.
Excalibur Assassin also has similar guides/grooves machined into the top of their rails, but you don't see excalibur making false claim about what those grooves do.
@@tythomps what do they claim the grooves are for on the assassin?
@@Deathbybunjie Excalibur doesn't make any claims for the grooves on the top of the Assassin rails. They are just part of the design, because they have to be, for the sliding latch function.
@@tythomps ahhhh gotcha thanks!
Spent $ 2500.00 3 years ago for the nitro xrt, knowing I would never out grow this cross bow . Don't get caught up in the hype they send out. It's like buying a car. You will never get your money back, and something better will be out in 6 months
If I own a $1,500+ crossbow some day, I will be set for life. I agree marketing hype is way overrated. I currently shoot a 10 year old compound bow. The specs on my compound bow are no different than today's compounds. I would feel like a fool buying a new compound bow these days. My current one is quiet, has a solid backwall, and is more accurate than I can shoot. Plus, I am eligible for free lifetime cables/string every 2 years for it. I really like what I have. A new one would seem like a downgrade to me. My days of compound bows are limited, however. Thus, I find myself here.
I rather keep my 500 buck xcaliber 305 to shoot my big bucks oh i did and i have.
That viper looks very similar to my killer instinct fatal x, I do like the design as it's very easy to carry, it's also great for shooting from blinds. On another topic have you noticed if you go to buy food plot seed that regular seed in a sack is one price, but if you put a picture of a BIG buck on the bag the cost for the same seed doubles.. big bucks sell product. I like your coon mount on the wall 👍
Bigger bucks cost bigger bucks lol no doubt
Scopyd updated the tremor Check it out!!
I see that and I will check it out (already looking haha)
Lol, too funny
You'd be surprised what Wally sells online.
Oh, you are correct! They even sell the birds Oracle x, for a pretty good price actually.
So for 1700 we can shoot a buck like that or for 2800 we can shoot a buck like this! Hahaha
Apparently that's the advertising, you only get an ad with with a really big buck for the expensive crossbows haha
Hey man I have been a taxidermist for years. Your mounts over that fireplace is a big nono. You will ruin them from heat .they dont like it. Just trying to save you some grief.
That's a great point but don't worry, there's no fireplace there, it's a TV
@@Deathbybunjie boy do I feel stupid. Thanks
@@stephenhall5430 LOL not at all!
There are always going to be speed chasers and hopefully these front style crossbows will start advertising 430 fps with 600 grain bolts lol. Speed and momentum very necessary. But besides that there will be those that still like the classic or trad style look like recurves. I do not think recurve companies should chase speed but rather durability. But this is a specific special market.
Ten point can compete with ravin its already better they have life time warranty and cheaper and quieter also just as fast to faster.
Scorpyd is its own categoryjust like excalibur i do no think all crossbows should compete with each other. Realistically no matter how fast an excalibur can get it wont be anywhere near (with proper hunting setup) to 500 fps. But they can advertise 330 fps with heavier bolts and maybe change the market to something more practical.
I think a lot more crossbows will be like scorpyd in the future, I have a video coming on that.
@@Deathbybunjie that would be the only way and that’s because the reverse limb cam tech is a different beast for archery its whole science of operation is different.
10 point is junk! Friend of mine bought one in 2021 it needed string and cable replaced this year. Took to dealer they placed cables on wrong. Took back to shop they broke cranking system or it just broke. Would not cock. Sent to 10 point. They took 10-12 weeks to get back. Still makes noise in cranking system. Hunting season is over.
Short story! Stay away!
I think to much kind of ridiculous my opinion anything over 400fps I don’t get but to each his own
I get that, but 10 years ago everybody was saying that about 300 ft per second
Including me, of course haha
@@Deathbybunjie I just archery hunt to be as close as possible so 40 yards is my max too so 350fps is great for me you know I’m. Or shooting over 40
@@Deathbybunjie You got ten plus years of reliable consistent hunting out of that correct hypothesis. You more than earned the right to an upgrade but it was because you wanted to not because you needed to. I believe if you only had the cheapest Chinese recurve crossbow available you could probably still go and get a dear with it while others would fail and blame the equipment. Better equipment will help to magnify the skills that you posses it doesn't compensate for a lack of skill in the first place.
Ei manda uma dessa de presente pra mim muito massa
It’s a dovetail. Not a rail.
What he said lol
Those bows are way out of the average sportsman’s price range 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I hear that!
What do they use for their economy crossbow model, a mouse? Just kidding, folks. 😹
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Looks mean n nasty !!
For the grip right next to the trigger... maybe little kids? I dunno. Dont think a 12 year old is affording a 2 thousand dollar bow.
One thing I found with the Killer Instinct SWAT X1 is that having the grip there does allow me to rest my elbow on my stomach when I shoot so maybe it is a good design thing I don't know
Enjoy your fireside chats you should smoke a pipe while you do these
LOL thanks glad to hear it
He really thinks he knows what he is talking about. He should try talking to one of the manufacturers or someone that maybe even works for a manufacturer. So here is one for you. The dovetail struts are new because it’s a new dovetail. Longer you except more optics/heavier optics. You need to do more or even some research.
I didn't hear Rich make any bold claims about being an expert on these crossbows. He's just window shopping like the rest of us. Your points are well taken, but I would lighten up a bit. Not trying to start a fight, but Rich was just exploring their website with us. I wouldn't jump to any conclusion that he's an expert on Ten Point crossbows by doing so.
What he said part 2 😆