Helldivers 2 - Testing The New Thermite Grenades' Damage On Every Enemy
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- I tested out the Thermite Grenade against all (most) enemy types in all of helldivers 2, enjoy the bit of information, PEACE!
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:25 Information About The Thermite
2:06 Hive Guards
2:40 Brood Commanders
3:03 Armored Bile Spewers
3:24 Chargers
4:57 Bile Titans
5:41 Container Door
5:52 Bug Holes
6:03 Illegal Broadcasts
6:07 Shrieker Nests
6:22 Automatons
6:32 Striders
6:49 Berserkers
7:16 Devastators
7:34 Heavy Devastators (Shielded)
7:59 Rocket Devastators
8:13 Hulks
8:32 Annihilator Tank
9:08 Turret Towers
9:21 Command Bunker Turrets
9:27 AA & Mortar Turrets
9:44 Factories
10:16 The Verdict
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Looks to me (and felt like when I just used it) that the thermite is not working as intended. The pre explosion burn effect is supposed to melt through the armor, and then the ending explosion should do big damage to the area it just melted through. The idea being that if you get them to land perfectly on say, a Hulk’s face, it should melt through, then explode on the Hulk’s now breached faceplate, and kill it.
I hope this the case
I've heard that Damage Over Time isn't working as intended, especially when you're not the host
@@iggyzeta9755 The effect is the same when you are playing solo. It either doesn't work properly or the damage really is that pathetic.
Nothing in this game seems to work as intended.
@@rekrn12345 the Auto Cannon would like a word.
Nothing has more of an impact than...the...impact grenade
Ha
since the grenade pistol was added i fell in love with the stun grenades. you can easily stun a hulk, walk around and kill it from behind with nade pistol. also does crazy damage to tank weakspots and is great at dealing with bases and bug holes.
0:55 "reliably unreliant." I'm glad we got that out of the way in under 1min haha
90% of the stuff in the new war bond / update is dog shit. The new resupply upgrade for the ship doesnt work either
Well the adjudicator sucks, the thermite grenade is bad, but the eruptor and grenade pistol work pretty well, haven’t tried the explosive crossbow yet though
To help the thermite grenade stick you must hold the button for like 2 seconds and you'll see spikes deploy from the grenade... then throw. Otherwise they will bounce off
PSA: You can quick swap between the eruptor and any weapon (best with pistols) to skip the bolt animation... I learned this from a japanese helldiver shooting the eruptor suspiciously fast XD
delete this before devs find out
@@OnlyonXBOXONEtruee I havent seen this in a video yet but that guy was a pioneer and I had to share his wisdom
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In other works it should be a semi, cocking only on magazine reload. No wonder they wanted people who know what they are doing to design guns for them, they suck! I'll stick to fighting the enemy with my cup of Liber-tea.
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This should either do significantly more damage than the impact grenade (since it has no AOE) or it should be capable of shredding through heavy armor. It would be incredible if it could expose a charger's leg in 1 nade, or take out a hulks leg for example.
low damage but breaking off armor would be a great gimmick
Since it have semi explosion at the end....would it be cool if it stick to heavy armor unit...burn them off...explosion will spread out fire to nearby enemies
Heavy armor shred is exactly what I expected the thermite to do. I'm really hoping it's just bugged and that is what they do with it.
yeah I was hoping it would one or both of these. its crap right now. needs a huge buff.
I’m gunna be real with you, being able to shred the armour off a charger’s leg is pointless when we can all one shot them with like 5 different weapons now.
Def needs a buff. If I'm giving up the area damage of impacts/incindearies, the crowd control of stuns, and the concealment of smokes, it should at LEAST kill a charger in 1 headshot/strip its leg armor, and kill a hulk when stuck to its back
ive heard people saying its bugged so maybe it will do much better when its fixed
@@crestfallensunbro6001it is effected by the fire damdge glitch where sometimes your fire damdge won't work and when that happens you literally can't even kill the smallest bot
@beh256 that is a bug but Takibo is always solo so that wouldn't apply here
are you saying you've popped smoke more than once?
Nobody even uses smoke grenades, they are not that good
it looks cool, but i don't see any reason to pick it over others... very underwhelming
This bond overall was very underwhelming
@@montecarlowithdawningornam1817super sad, thought the crossbow would be good at least
@@montecarlowithdawningornam1817 I'm in it for the armor lol
@@montecarlowithdawningornam1817 I'm loving the Eruptor but that's about it besides the armor.
@@Kazrel it looks strong, but I don't fw snipers in hord shooters. How's the nade pistol?
Great breakdown! Day one detailed review on new warbond weapons 👍 Looking forward to seeing more!
Keep it up brother! Loving the content a ton
Congrats on this vid! You are awesome!! Amazing tests!!
The inconsistency of these grenades makes me think they are heavily bugged. Here's hoping that's the case, because this was such a cool concept. I guess we'll just have to wait a week or two to know for sure
I appreciate your research, Helldiver!
Impact nade can 2-3 tap tanks and 1 tap towers if you hit their vents. Primary reason I've been running impact nades for so long. Being able to stick the side of a tank is going to be more consistent for me and given the huge amount of heavy devestators existing now I think this puts it squarely as my new Bot Nade option. Though I will admit a good reason this is doable is because we now have the grenade pistol which will just function as the replacement for the other half of the things I used impact nades for.
Also, might consider it on Bugs purely for the BT interaction. I really don't like having to rely on a non ammo based strategem to deal with heavy units so this plus Quasar or RR/EAT will likely be a combo going forward since again, nade pistol can be used for closing holes. I would like to see them get buffed so they can strip armor though. As lowering the AV while nice is too niche imo.
You, sir, just earned yourself a like and a follow. Great content.
Also, here's hoping they buff them because i was really hyped for them and this is really underwhelming/disappointing.
I think they should remove the (already tiny) blast from the end and massively increase the DoT. Make them dedicated heavy armor penetrators, and make them GOOD at it, at the cost of anything else. I think that would be a balanced tradeoff.
After testing it seems like the grenade is half baked. I don't believe this is the completed version of the grenade.
Yeah impacts can two shot tanks if you hit side, back and top of turrent. Termite should atleast one shot heat sink.
putting a thermite reaction on a HEAT SINK is literally the most lethal thing you can do to a machine lol, these nades are bugged or aka not working as intended, i refuse to believe this was their intended strength , it's just going to be another patch with a comment like "we have recalled newly requisitioned Thermite prototype grenades meant for testing and have properly shipped out replacements of the REAL DEAL! put them to use soldier!"
@Daytruin finally bring an end to those flamethrower hulks and their bs
3 shotting tanks and hulks consistently and 1 shotting turrets are definitely the highlight
But don't impact grenades also 3 shot tanks?
I think its situational at best and niche normally. You are kinda just better off running a stun grenade and flank them or just throw an impact grenade at the correct spot with the plethora of other utilities impact has.
@@connman8d617 no they 2 shot it XD
@@connman8d617 Impacts will 2-shot a tank if it hits the heat sink - And since it's radius is pretty large, hitting the side or top of the turret counts.
Worst grenade in the game
I was waiting for this one! Could be a game changer!
Good stuff
I really hope these aren't intended for medium armor targets only, because a single impact grenade can instakill most medium armor enemies
The buff for thermite would be to shred armor. As in one thermite would shred charger armor AFTER is blows up which is a fair buff since it takes awhile for it to explode
The second charger (that took 6 grenades) was the behemoth variant with additional armor. You can tell by it's elongated horn and tusks. Still needs significant buffs though...
Most pointless grenade ever right? Cant imagine using this over impacts. They need better armour penetration
If it was a reliable sticky grenade that would moderately quickly strip away armor and wreck stuff like cannon towers it would be good
Yea it literally just doesn't do what thermite does. Its very weird.
@@dylanmccabe6011 thermite should be stripping the armor away , can't think of anything that really survives contact with thermite , except kaid, and bandit (he used to deal drugs)..
@@Daytruin exactly right
does the thermite strip through armor at all? maybe you're supposed to throw one at an enemy and then shoot them with the primary?
The eruptor has a glitch that ragdolls you if something may be behind you and make u take explosive damage. Thermite needs to strip heavy armor completely off and create weak points to shoot.
The eruptur and arc thrower is a good combo for bugs
Is the pattern that when new weapons come out, The player base uses them for a week or 2 and then they get adjusted?
it would be sweet to see a sticky telsa grenade, gives off one big arcing shock to groups
If they want to make this grenade useable they need to make 1 nade strip medium armor and 2 or 3 strip heavy armor. If it's not going to kill stuff it should at leadt be a consistent way to mitigate armor
Why would you waste 3 nakes to strip heavy armor when there are things like railcannon strike at EAT. This thing is useless no matter how you look at it. Only one should be required for taking out a hulk, no more than that!
it should be noted, that from what i can see, it seems that thermite burn damage is done as fire dot damage, which does not stack. This means that if you stick multiple thermites to an opponent at the same time, the damage from the burn may not stack.
how many thermites does it take to pop a bile titans green guts? that would be nice to know since often times when i find myself with everything else on cooldown i end up running underneath them to at least disable their spewing attack by popping the sacks until i have something to deal with them
The more i hear about this warbond, i feel like the only change to most peoples kit will be using the grenade pistol and swapping to stun grenades.
The eruptor seems to be a popular pick for folks who like chaff clear support weapons.
@@josh___something might be good with Bots, but bugs are probably going to overwhelm you.
@@EdwardLewisIV That's what the support weapon is for.
i think they meant it to be strong but it is funky with the hitbox kinda same with the eruptor blowing you up
I feel like the the thermite will get buffed next patch
Yea it feels very underwhelming compare to impact grenade now. Being a "single target" grenade, I was expecting it to one/two shot most elite enemies
4:30 aren’t the chargers in the specific mission to hunt chargers, a different type? Do they have similar health pools because not only are they differently named but their armor is differnet. I’ve noticed I can just kill one with a magazine or two from the Uzi by shooting its leg, so I’m not entirely sure if using those is accurate? I could be wrong?
They just look different, it's the same for the hulks that have a flag.
Still suprised it released today. Olayed a couple nights ago using the equipment, idk my friend and i got to use the crossbow and pistol.
I was really hoping the thermite grenade would be a hot cup of liber-tea, but it’s not.
It feels like a glorified flare with some double sided tape on it
You forgot to test it on a *cough* fellow Helldiver...
I hope they buff it soon... The concept of the grenade is good and it could be real fun if combined with the engineer armour to get 6 of them. Would create a new tactical combat role :-)
Being able to set and forget 3 on a tank and kill it is actually really impressive to me. Same with the hulks. Maybe more a grenade for the Automatons than the Terminids then?
Impact nade 2/3 hits tanks if you aim properly.
@@LorgeDelta I can't aim for shit but I can certainly the broad side of a tank!
@@LorgeDeltathey must be on the heat sink, same with hulk. Not very practical if there are adds around.
Until you get 3 tanks and 2 hulks on you at once, and need to use 15 grenades to kill them
@@Gspi1005if you have that many heavies on you, it doesn't matter what grenades you're packing.
I think this might be useful against bots if you're running autocannon - the only thing you can't deal with is a tank staring straight at you, so just chuck a few thermites at it
So I didn’t get the first battle pass, but after the fire buffs it kinda is looking good to me
I'm going to stick to my incendiary/impact grenades. Impact for things like stryders, incendiary for cutting off/weaking enemies advance.
Edit: I heard someone say on a different video that the thermite grenade lowers enemy armour quality, as in heavy gets degraded to high medium, did you by any chance find something to support this.
Since it's a DOT weapon I think this grenade damage is probably bugged, just like every other DOT weapon.
Yes it is.
I feel like any enemy that gets hit with it should also be burning throughout its hit. Perhaps it could be the same but be constantly stripping armor or something.
Maybe these will make sense against the the Illuminate if they are shielded and these works around shields.
Feels like a lot of things just doesn't work and some stuff needa to be buffed to even see the light of day, like this grenade and the new marksman rifle
Not sure what the armor pen is on the grenades, but chargers armor is bugged and decreases in a few spots when they are charging so that can also cause them to take less damage to kill
I wonder if it does any considerable amount of "durability" damage, where it burns away armor and allows small arms fire to penetrate through.
apart from a general buff it needs I think it should take out fabricators with a hit anywhere like the Spear. That is exactly the sort of thing Thermite is used for IRL. Similarly it should absolutely 1 shot the Mortars and AA emplacements.
I'll stick to fighting the enemy with my cup of Liber-tea.
One way they could buff this and balance all the grenades in general is to change the amount you can carry per grenade type.
Crazy…… we can probably expect a buff soon. Per this video, I would say it doesn’t fully serve its purpose.
You can actually kill BT's with impact nades. Granted, the few times I've pulled it off the BT's armor was damaged
I mainly face automations and I love the thermite so far. Helps pick up for the quasars recharge. Hit a tank in the turret then toss 2 thermites and its done. Whiff your killshot on a hulk? Thermite it and its done. It's just picky about where on the target it'll stick to.
or u just hit with an impact nade after the shot, or just hide until the next quasar shot is ready and set another shot, cause its nearly the same time that the nade needs anyway to do the damage. in both cases u save nades with the same result and thats the point...the new nade is pointless
That's not a thermite grenade, that's a tickle grenade.
just did some testing cuz I was curious and IF you can land throws on a charger leg (optimally one of the front ones) it Feels like each thermite reduces the armor cat of the leg by one-ish
with one thermite and ensuring I hit the very small dmg decal on the leg left by it with an eruptor (without shrapnel at this time in case this changes) I was getting red hit markers (tho it could be finicky)
with two thermite on the same leg at around the same time I was able to pen the leg with a stalwart (again it helped to aim for the dmg decal but sometimes it didn't matter and I could pen it anywhere)
hope this helps and that it wasn't due to some really odd interaction during the time period I was testing
also here's hoping we get a buff for this grenade in the future regardless
is armor of the enemy temporarily lowered on the spot where u stick the termite grenade?
no, judging by the way it explodes after the thermite burns reminds me of rainbow six siege, it works like a thermite charge in that game and at the end the explosion is supposed to dislodge the armor from the surface, i am pretty sure this is a bug. it will probably burrn and then pop the armor off so you can shoot the exposed part, super helpful but also requires some teamwork and makes total sense.
Thermites should take out anything with a heatsink in one grenade. It should excel at taking out structures, equipment and heavy vehicles if you apply them to key locations.
I find it useful with the laser cannon and guard dog laser combo, throw it and then immediately start firing. Makes for some nasty dps even though you can't see shit
So like, it looks sparkly while the other weapons do damage?
I feel like these should have little to no AoE, but deal damage close to an EAT to a single target. As it stands, its garbage add hoard clear, and not good enough to bring as a dedicated anti-tank tool.
It certainly seems like a unique set of uses and could use some strength to make it better. The impact grenade is probably also too strong considering its versatility. It's pretty clearly the best choice in almost every scenario.
I don't agree at all, impact grenades are much harder to get into fabricators or nests quickly and you run the very real risk, especially with bugs, of having something close the gap too quickly and blow yourself up. You also lose the versatility of being able to throw the grenade at your feet and bait enemies onto it. I say all this as someone who runs impacts, they have very large flaws you need to account for.
@@brettnause5411 "Harder" doesn't necessarily mean hard. With practice it's pretty easy to get impacts into nests and factories. I don't think the edge cases of grenade use outweigh the benefit of being able to take out so many types of enemies quickly and accurately. It seems impractical that they would do the same damage as a 'high explosive' grenade while the frag is almost half that. It should probably sit somewhere in between them at like 325. Though expressing damage as numbers in a game where we don't know health values makes it to pinpoint that.
@@brettnause5411 one shotting spewers, insta closing nests, insta destroying eggs, and killing groups of hunters are all cases that i use it for regularly. nothing else can do what it does at the speed it does it against bugs imo.
I think impacts are fine. I would however buff the basic grenade to have more radius. And the frag grenade to have even more than that.
Ah God another clown calling for needless nerfs
You can always land an accurate throw with a Thermite grenade. You just have to hold it briefly in your hands first so the spikes emerge. In the video around you mentioning the inaccuracy you are just quick throwing it so the spikes are not out to allow a proper stick.
Played a few rounds with it on Helldive and I just couldn't find a situation where another tool wasn't a better option. Tanks or turrets? One shot from the Quasar into the heatsink, followed up by a single tap by the Scorcher or Eruptor. I really hope they get a buff, because they're probably the worst grenade right now..
That 7 thermites looks like it was without destroying the bile titan's sacs, so if you destroy those first they would probably be a lot less, but it would probably still just be more effective to use support weapons or a stratagem anyways
It might be the same if the health pools are different which I think they are. (To be specific I mean the head has a different health from the main body).
Yeah it was really bad i noticed it was a stinker when the grenade bounced off striders for some reason i just had no luck getting them to stick, im still holding out hope for a breaching charge of some kind, like a C4 you can place and then click to detonate, imagine rigging the whole map in stealth and then letting it blow at the end
It needs to penetrate heavy armor, and deal substantially more damage than impact to have a niche. It should blow off charger and titan armor, and also thermite irl involves combustion, so this nade should deal a burning dot.
Like you said, it's just worse than impact right now, feels bad man
This video won't stop me from strapping on a jetpack and whipping thermites as I jump over tanks
to me it feels like even though thermite is fire, it somehow does not get the buffs that fire damage has gotten.
It's like the weapons were barely tested before release. The thermite doesn't melt armor, the Eruptor makes high difficulty so much easier it feels like I'm cheating
Nah, they increased devastators spawns and then released a weapon that could easily deal with them. It makes difficulty 9 a bit easier but it's still a challenge.
You complaining?
I think it's supposed to be used in unison with your primary.
Like in a situation where you don't have your strategems or support ammo and have to use your primary.
I mean the damage is literly 100. Idk how people saw that and thought wow this a heavy 1 shotter with 100 damage. That's 2 liberator bullets worth.
Except it does true damage cause of the penetration. When you shoot armor with your primary you only do 10% of your true damage. So if it takes 3 mags to shoot a charger butt normally I think the thermite is supposed to wittle him down so it only takes like 1 and a half mag.
For example, skewers die from a full lib mag. Lib does 55 per bullet. 10% is 5 dmg bullets. 5 x a mag of 50? That's 250 damage, so assume that's their max hp. They also die from impact grenade which does 300. If you throw a thermite now you'll only need 150 worth of damage (25 less bullets, aka half mag) cause therm does 100% of the 100 dmg.
I've been using it with that in mind and it's been cool and fun. I hardly ever use grenades to kill heavies anyways but with this now I do and it saves me a railstrike, 110 rocket pod, etc cause I can just shoot my way with the help of the thermite to weaken the enemy. Not supposed to be my 1 shotter.
This to me looks like the thermite grenade is bugged. My expectation was that this was supposed to break off armor, and maybe do a little damage. Like you start with throwing this at a charger's face, wait for it to burn the armor away, and then blast their face. But if it's just a burning sticky thing, that's rather disappointing...
I think the thermite kills heavy devastators with one is because it is damaging the backpack as it has a lower hp than the body
The explosion looks like the ones from incendiary grenades and mines, which makes me wonder that its actually doing tick damage with burning instead of just explosions that do AP
And that's why it doesn't penetrate armor which it should
This definetly needs a huge buff.
its funny to me that the stun grenade is better at dealing with hulks and chargers by stunlocking them and hitting their weakspot, with the pas-1 i was consistently able to do it with 2 stun nades
It seems like the current iteration misses the power fantasy of a chunky single target destroyer.
Arrowhead should have clear direction what to do to buff these to being a good enough option to bring in your load out.
I think a decent start would be:
1 for anything less than charger and hulk
1-3 for charger/hulk depending on if you hit weak spots and if you don’t it should strip armor to make small arms fire do damage or crit
3-5 for bile titans/tanks and similar weakspot and armor stripping mechanics
I’m less sure about heavy unit breakpoints but for anything beneath charger/hulk, this thing neeeds to be a one shot
They are bugged. They are affected by the dot bug. If you are not the host of a match they won't do damage at all. It is the same old bug which makes napalm, gas, the new fire buff ship upgrade and the incendiary shotgun unusable.
Even if they work they are underwhelming as seen by the solo gameplay in the video
I really wish it set enemies on fire more consistently too, and if it stripped armor off charger legs would be nice
if they just double its durability damage, then atleast it would blow a hole open in the armor so you can kill big guys with small arms fire
impact nades are the way to go
So basically it’s only use to killing hulks and tanks,
Or 2 divers equipped with them can bring down a Titan with near perfect throw accuracy
I discovered that eagle 110m rocket pods will 1 shot tanks. They will also 1 shot titans, but that is rare, normally 2.
3 thermites with 8 seconds of waiting, or 1 Eagle strike…
The only real use is when the team is overrun by hulks,
Respawn, toss 3, dead hulk. Repeat.
Yea they can keep this one
in my experience termite have a only one good spot to be used and its with the rail gun, u can damage heavy ennemi with some shoot then launch termite and it blow charger and titan with 1 or 2 of them with this combo, exact same thing with tanks and bruiser
The first couple of time I threw it it immediately become obvious that they do not work as intendent. Hope they get fixed soon.
They Sound like fireworks on explosion 😂
At the 2:00 mark, did anyone else notice he was on difficulty 3 and it took 2 thermite grenades to kill that bile spewer?
The unreliable sticking might be due to the issues with client-server syncing
also the possibility that the grenade does not stick on all surfaces and it's a quirky attention to detail , kinda like a throwing knife bouncing off when you the target with anything other than the blade and bounces.
I took me 5 thermite grenades to kill a single Scorcher Hulk. Do the different Hulks have different HP pools?
It's probably bugged but it just isn't strong enough for how slow it is, I think even if the armor melt effect works it might need half the fuse time or something. Also is the sticking really is that inconsistent there's no way it's reliable enough to use the armor melting to accomplish anything
I think the thermite may be bugged. It's not working at all as it did in the trailer, so it may be much more useable in the future.
Wonder if the fire damage upgrade thing will enhance the thermites damage?
it says in the description of the upgrade that it only increases stratagem fire damage by 25% so probably not (though it is odd that they don't just make all fire consistent since not doing so is going to be confusing).
In my opinion they should rework this grenade into an absolute dmg monster. I think you should be able to kill a bile titan if you throw all four on one.
Alternatively, whey could make it into a debuff weapon that removes armor rating.
It honestly feels like the devs dont want to release a "broken weapon" so most new primaries that come out feel very weak
it's weird when devs create weapons that they've literally never used.
Because if they did use it, they would have buffed it.
It's like they're creating weapons solely from an excel spreadsheet (or maybe a json file)
It definitely needs a buff. The fact it may not even stick to an enemy is really off putting. If they would dramatically increase the damage, but keep the inconsistent stick, would be acceptable
it would be cool if they kept the damage the same but make it so that the thermite in the grenade melts armor off whatever you throw it at rather than it doing dot
Know what would be cool? If the spot the termite is burning had 2 or 3 lower armor lvls while the burn lasts (on a scale of 1 to 10)
Or hell just lower armor after its done burning.
Honestly the thermite grenades need to have stronger DOT Component to n heavy armor. So that one full charge significantly degrades the armor so that Medium penetration weapons rip through unit afterwards.
The biggest issue in Helldivers imho is you have a very small limited set of tools to deal with Heavy armor.
Using stratagems is fine it’s just at the higher difficulties the numbers are too great to rely primarily on Stratgems,
The Devs just seems to consistently undertune damage on everything for fear of creating a new “Meta” of must have items locked behind Warbonds.
I know they're not listed, but I can't help but wonder if the new ship upgrade also buffed primaries and grenades.
As far as I can tell the new ship upgrades don't work lol. I got the first one and it does nothing
@@user-bd4ty3lg9c p sure ONLY the first one doesn't work. From what people have been saying.