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New XR-XY Falcon Chassis From Roadster Shop and Moits Motorcars
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2021
- Sydney-based Moits Motorcars, in conjunction with Roadster Shop in the US have come up with this innovative solution to bring the handling of your Aussie Falcon into the new millennium.
Moits Motorcars / Roadster Shop Ford Falcon SPEC chassis
Suit Models:
1966 - 1972 XR, XT, XW, XY
1972 - 1979 XA, XB, XC
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I think Australia needs a company like Dynacorn to produce XR,XT,XW,XY, Bodies for the GT,GS but also XA,XB,XC in GT Sedan Coupes and the Ute and Panel van a lot of these are rusted out to the max
Thanks for sharing guys.
Moits Motorcars has been in the development stages of this chassis for over 18 months. We have worked alongside TFNSW and in accordance with the national code VSB-14 to ensure these vehicles are engineered as Modified Production cars and not ICV’s.
We still have some boxes to tick but the plan is to have these released to market within the first half of next year.
Moits Motorcars will have an installed chassis on display within the summernats exhibition hall and be able to explain the process and costings further.
Thanks for you support 👍🏻
Nice work. Props.
Always seems like a surprise to Americas when they hear about the size of the car culture down here.
This feels like a stepping stone to saving and building alot of XYs!
Someone in Australia needs to get onto this, and producing Pro Mod chassis’s
I could see a lot of old classic Aussie cars being rebuilt this way.
Very cool.
Now I just need money for an XR, a chassis and a Godzilla.
Buy some Bitcoin and your prayers will be answered. i turned 25k in to 150k in 3 years. just buy and hold it.
I hope this is successful and they work out the best way to get around the ADRs. It’s such a hassle to swap a body on to an aftermarket chassis over here and still make it road legal. I’ve heard all sorts of pain in the arse stories of people having to keep XX% of the original chassis just to be able to register the car even though completely replacing it all would be much safer and perform better.
Nice work by the way. 👍🇦🇺👍
The only thing that makes this a shame is that we had to outsource it to America. Whatever happened to good old Aussie ingenuity? 🤷 Makes me miss the OG's like Johnny Taverna. 😮💨
Agree 100% with that, seems like there is nothing in the country anymore... props to these guys for making an awesome product and supporting us, I'm genuinely really happy about that, but it's sad how we can't even support our own stuff anymore.
@@AaronNicoli We do support our own stuff. 👍 Look at Haltech, Microtech, WolfEMS, Plazmaman, Hypertune, CPC, Turbosmart, GFB, 6BOOST, TBS Racing, Goleby's, just to name a few.
Plus we created and maintain the entire Subaru WRX AND Ford Barra aftermarkets and have a huge input into the billet motor market through places like Bullet, BilletPro and PAC Performance.
Trust me, local support is there, but we need to have an Aussie equivalent of Art Morrison, that deals with local Aussie models, from old X series Fords, to KTG Holdens or E series Chargers. 👍
@@MafiaboysWorld Sorry, yes well aware of all those players, just meant more specifically in this space.
@@AaronNicoli Hence the last paragraph brother, knew where you were coming from. 😎👍
I just checked because I previously thought otherwise, and I found out that Castlemaine Rod Shop doesn't offer a complete chassis solution for these Falcons. Which, what? Why the fuck not?
Now they need one for XA XB XC HARDTOPS & 4 Doors. But we need this to be Made in Australia.
The big pillarless hardtop would benefit the most- I've seen an XB hardtop with rails welded in underneath, connecting the front and rear subframes. Figured it was done for good reason.
I'm no falcon expert by any means but the aussie falcon looks amazing similar to the 66-69 American falcon. I wonder how similar the floor pans are between the two countries versions and if any year mustangs share the same architecture.
These guys do amazing work!
Awesome, now all we need is someone who can make new XR-XY bodies.
Australia is one of the most heavily regulated countries in the world especially when it comes to modifying vehicles we don’t have the freedom like they do in the US
I like the way he said not really having those cars here in the US, when the XR and XY are based on a US design.
The XR,XT and XW were based off American coupe designs. But the XY wasn’t according to legend the XA was the first Australian designed and built Ford but on a technicality the XY was not based off any of the American coupes 1966 to 1969 models from what I understand I could be wrong.
@@jackhammer2747 They had 4 door Falcons in the US too.
@@stephenvelden295 That I did not know I honestly thought they had the
The Falcon and the Futura in the two-door but I guess it’s the same thing as The Galaxy I believe they were made in the two-door and four-door. This is the thing I love about
(Classic Cars )(Muscle Cars)
I’m always Learning something new that I didn’t know before or finding out some historical fact I had no idea about and yet I’ve been around them my whole life Ford, Holden GMH, Chevy GMC, Dodge Pontiac Mopar Chrysler. There’s so much history behind them it’s pretty cool.
And watching this little video it’s great the technology is now catching up for the enthusiast.
Man that is one clean shop
I get the love affair we have with Falcons , the nostalgia and all that.
However the price for Aussie cars, even clones, utes etc is ridiculous.
I know supply and demand.
To think I rolled a rust free XY off at the tip years ago (late 80s), it was a
factory 250 with toploader, buckets, console and 4 wheel drums
Can't have been many in that spec I would think?
Sold gearbox, dash pad and a guard but other than that complete.
Yeah, I think many of us from that era did similar. I've cut up so many Valiants over the years. They just weren't worth anything
@@STREETMACHINETV my father traded his xa big decal superbird on a new Telstar at Jefferson ford in 1986. He got $600 on the trade in. I cry when I think about it. We all have these stories.
Mustang style new pressed and assembled xy type body shell would be cool. We already got the a/m panels sorted and the crapped out rusted t-f oem bodies are drying up so who wouldnt want a fresh new manufactured rust free body and chassis as a project starting point. Data scanning is here so lets use it and stop spending thousands on rust repair. For one, im in!!
our shitheap governments hate cars so that will never be allowed, not even with electric running gear
The failed state of NSW has virtually outlawed any kind of reproduction industry for the street rodding movement. If you want to build a Model A as a rod, you need the original frame and engine block for a VIN to get it engineered for street use. No more fibreglass bodies or repro frames. I can’t these Falcon frames getting approval either.
Awesome video today guys thanks
Awesome absolutely love it potential is awesome it’s a shame we can’t do things like this in Australia I guess the markets just not big enough like it is in America.
Nice work guys🇦🇺👍
Brilliant on so many levels 👌
So there was only one thing that I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
So close yet so far!!
Biggest need is to incorporate IRS??!!
Is this being considered as an a next option?!
Do they do IRS as well?
Would love a full chassis with IRS under a torana..
Gobsmacked WOW
Dude sounds like George clooney!!!
This is awesome but how would the (certification work since on from New Zealand) or the engineering work because are you allowed to do a new chassis for the car if it’s a unique body?
On a sedan, it’d take a balsy owner that chops up a 250k (very soon for xy’s) classic. But a wagon/ute or za-zd fairlane would be absolutely unreal
They’ve already done the HQ, I think Monaro, but with floor mods. A couple of chassis’s made it here years ago. Where they are, who knows?
While you are bringing in the chassis, import good two doors American Falcons bodies aswell.
No need too, it’s far easier to cut and shut local sedans into Tudors than to waste thousands and months of stuff arounds trying to bring them in.
@@fractalign That's bullshit. I've owned 3 of the US 2 door Falcons. I've had guys come round and measure them and ask me if I'll sell them the doors off my car. By the time you get all the modifications done and all the little things you didn't think of, you could have bought and imported several US Falcons. They're not particularly expensive in the US.
I read through the comments and almost everyone says why can’t we do this here.
We can you just need to get off your arse and do it! As soon as you see the price of what they want for the chassis in Australia you will want to make it yourself cut out the middleman at every opportunity , am I wrong 🤷♂️
Listen with your eyes closed - its George Clooney!
Surely someone could do this here? We have the OG's like Howard Astill & Taverna Chassis, i wish this country had more go to do things like this- stamping chassis/ hanging panels, new dashes etc etc.
I do remember there was an Aussie running a mob in Thailand or Malaysia stamping new Kingswood panels at one point
Astill is a master craftsman. He and Rod Hadfield filled my heart and mind with the endless possibilities that could be attained with old metal as I was growing up in the late 80’s early 90’s. I will never forget Hadfields two t model fords, the mother duck (twin 6/71 shotgun powered) and the pickup (Lincoln v12 powered) absolute works of art
Have you guys progressed to IRS on the XY Falcon?
That ain't no cheap rebuild... 😨
@1:35 I hope thats a tack weld lol if he's laying beads he'll have some red skin haha.
Yeah, I noticed that. Welders sunburn ain't funny.
Looks good let them do all the hard work get it back here let all you experts to copy and modify the way you want it pretty simple 😎
New bare body X series would sell big time. They sell anything and everything for Mustangs. Not sure about this chassis idea. I wouldn't cut up and XR to XC. Though the chassis would be awesome for the classic production race series. Maybe that's where its heading.
America sold 4 door Ford Falcons that have the same body as the Australian models. So they didn't have to sent their car to the US to see if it was going to fit.
very cool but I still don't understand why the straight axle if you want it to drive like a modern vehicle slip ya self into a later model FPV or HSV to see why cars (well at least Australian) are designed to go around corners and not just in a straight line.
Lots of straight axle cars handle well when setup right
sure mate a four link is still way better then the original leaf springs I run an FGX XR8 IRS in my XY GT rep repowered with a boss 335 6sd manual and it goes harder on the street and track then my C63s amg
Because of cost. They definitely have made IRS chassis as well. And remember this is from the USA the home of the solid rear axle. Back when the then new mustang came out with solid rear axle, Ford Australia developed the rear IRS for the falcon for less…
@@husq2100 Falcon IRS sucks….. you need to completely change it to make it not destroy itself
@@bigcncguy sure any uplift in HP application will need a standard diff to be strengthened, driveshaft and so on, but to say a Falcon IRS sucks when they can take over 400KW (stock) this shows me you are misinformed, take look at the GTF specification and share with us all how many axles or ring/pinion gear broke under warranty in this model? ha? hmmm, end of!
As far as DOT is concerned, with this chassis is it still a XY falcon or does it become a kit car? Is it a new VIN or old falcon VIN?
Good question
Exactly - in any vehicle with a full chassis, the frame is the identifier.
It becomes an ICV ( individual constructed vehicle) must meet current ADRs.
It's still the original body falcon- the body number is on the body as they never had a separate chassis. It is simply a strengthening modification.
If you turbo this, I'm in. I want to turbo my LS400.
You would think that there are enough quality fabrication shops here that could do this. RRS Suspension are an obvious candidate considering they export mustang front end suspension mods back to the US. Look at the number of people who are modifying XA XB XC coupes with FG rear ends. Good on Moits for using initiative, but its a shame that local capability missed out. Once the 3D scan was done on that core chassis they could have gone to any race frame builder, or approached co’s like RRS. The cost could surely have been pruned if fabbed locally. Even a falcon frame with a half cut TE crapadore rear end sub would be infinitely better than that mofified rear.
Whatever RRS do is attached to a bill that’s quite simply ridiculous. The work is pretty good, but the bill is stupid.
@@nathan2483 true, but everyone i know who bought their xr-xf front end mods has been happy with the result, despite the coin
Phil's Munt?
Those Aussie Falcons need a good chassis, because the factory subframe is flimsy junk. Compare an XR to XY subframe to a Mopar of the same vintage and look at the difference, especially front end. Piss-weak compared to the solid and well engineered Mopars. As far as the custom chassis' in this video - they are awesome, however what do they do to stop them rusting? I couldn't see any painted ones. Do they leave that for the customer to do as it looks like mild steel? Ok, maybe I missed something, as I skipped through the video in places.
I Hate to burst everyones bubble as i think this is a beautiful piece of work but people need to be aware that if you fit this chassis or any aftermarket chassis to your car you need to then register the car as a brand new car complying will all current ADR laws. The first Cop with half a brain who sees the chassis in your car will put you off the road and you will have to re register the car as a ICV (individual constructed vehicle) and comply with todays ADR..... Australian ADR rules are linked to the chassis not the body, they allow you to fit another Body to a chassis and keep the original identification of the vehicle but not the other way around.
Like i said very cool beatiful chassis but Pointless as our laws dont let us enjoy progress... God bless America!
That guy sounds just like Matt Damon
Designed for a Barra?
Don't see anything here you couldn't do on your back lawn with a grinder, grandads old stick welder and some left over steel from your non council approved shed extension
Disagree. They completely design front suspension from scratch based on using corvette stub axles and redo the geometry and wishbones to suit the car. Cars with their chassis' have often won auto cross events in the us. They are not back yarders.
Aussie mustang
Can I have mine with irs and the rack in the correct spot please oh and for 30k or less. Just send it to me with all the rego shit sorted thanks!
You guys in USA do have the falcon, the XR 2 door, it's basically the same chassis . I'm a ford guy but wouldn't bother changing the ford. I'm sure if you got another one hundred grand to spend. . Rather buy a Torana, has a great chassis , front, coil over rear. Holden's did the best chassis, sorry ford guys.
2k XY?
Any news on this or has it been re birthed into something else ???
What are the chances of getting those 3d files, for 3d printing purposes 🤔
I thought the ralis on an XR -XY would have been 98% the same as a mustang of the same years
Doubt they're even close
@@STREETMACHINETV that's why thay use falcon stuff to convert to right hand drive ???? And there not close to the same ???
Do you think
The average punter will not afford the price I betcha... price speculations anyone?
I think it will be along the lines of if you have to ask you can’t afford it. My guess is 35k+
Its $50,000 shipped to Sydney.
@@paulcoote3094 😳
Thank Chris thought it might be chinamade
Basically reverse engineering, get a car and pull it apart and re make everything from the best materials and your on a winner for sure, how do you think the euro cars are made and china and Korea started, basically copy others and they way they make things, now that the main players are not making various car or not making cars at all, there's a big market for spare parts and especially if you wanted OEM spec parts?
wasnt the falcon an american vehicle in the 60s?
The US version was not the same as what we had very similar
@@blomy67 what was the difference between an XK and same era USA other than RHD...? They started out the same, but like all things, they morph into something different
@@justanotherguy9664 these chassis are not for the old XK series there for the XR - XY Australian cars that are not the same size as there American equivalent or the 3 rd generation US range 1966 -1970
@@blomy67 the original question used the broad term "the 60s" - to which you claimed the US version "was not the same as what we had". The original question, and my follow-up were not directly related to the chassis, but you have now tried to twist my response by stating that that the chassis is not for an XK rather defending your original claim.
@@justanotherguy9664 most people here are just interested in staying on topic . You want some more detailed off topic info go find it it's not that hard to find
Pass ADR
7:30 he talks about it, seems theyre built to Au regs
@@jeepnutscotty that all sounds good until you front them with it you need proof from the gov bodies we all know what there like
a factory xy wouldn't pass current adr's with how horrible they drive, anything is an improvment
@@rockbiterhd he specifically said they had a few go through inspection here n had no problems... Go rewatch
This would be awesome but don't think it will kick off in Oz because once u put a body on a chassis in nsw then it becomes whatever the chassis is it won't be a 71 xy falcon on your rego anymore
Dumbest rule ever so only good for drag or circuit racing
Why do these performance and fabrication shops just buy and bolt on everything ? Personally I would have no confidence in any shop that cannot even produce a basic chassis/subframe as it shows these guys are happy to take your money but not do the work. if you can use a computer to scan a car then why not take the extra step of designing a chassis as there are a lot of people in australia that could do this and you would have a superior product with shorter delivery time and far better pricing and jobs for aussies.
Its no longer the same car when crap like this is done. Stop destroying cool old cars.