Why everyone's switching to HE keyboards (and why you should too)

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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
  • Lots of pro players switched to Wooting or other hall effect keyboards. But are analog keyboards really that much better for gaming than mechanical keyboards?
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Комментарии • 295

  • @saadhero9107
    @saadhero9107 Месяц назад +281

    This may enable analog level of controls in some games like racing.

    • @jorge69696
      @jorge69696 Месяц назад +29

      While yes, it's better to use a gamepad or a wheel still.

    • @cin2110
      @cin2110 Месяц назад +35

      @@jorge69696 I'm shit with controller played racing games with a keyboard all my life and I'm way faster on keyboard if I could throttle and steer control on keyboard aside from tapping really fast I would wreck people.

    • @MaxUmbra
      @MaxUmbra Месяц назад +3

      ​@@cin2110same here

    • @thatoneguy385
      @thatoneguy385 Месяц назад +6

      Yes, you can configure (at least on Wooting) to have keys emulate a joystick or other analog input. However keyboards aren't really made for controlled analog input so it's not as precise or intuitive as a joystick.

    • @mil-kw9zi
      @mil-kw9zi Месяц назад +5

      ​@@cin2110wheel players entered the chat

  • @Dishonored_One
    @Dishonored_One Месяц назад +107

    the matrix reference in the thumbnail is very much on point, pick your poison i guess

  • @bassyey
    @bassyey 28 дней назад +42

    It's the age of hall effect and optical switches. I finally don't have double clicks on mice with optical switches. I no longer have stick drift on my controllers. I'm looking to buy a hall effect keyboard soon.

    • @AndroidBeacshire
      @AndroidBeacshire 25 дней назад +5

      Maybe you'll get some keystroke drift next haha

    • @salmonn_gz7987
      @salmonn_gz7987 19 дней назад +4

      hahaha good for you ig, but i have never seen things that aren't "double edge" in this world we live in.
      my point is there is always a catch or more.

    • @omurize2007
      @omurize2007 11 дней назад +3

      "I no longer have stick drift on my controllers" on third party controllers anyway, first party manufacturers will keep on using the shite potentiometer based sticks while cramming their controllers with gimmicks

    • @AnomalousVixel
      @AnomalousVixel 9 дней назад +1

      @@omurize2007 there are plenty of other reasons to buy 3rd party anyway. Sony's idiotic L3/R3 thumb-murderer switches for example... L3/R3 belong on the BACK of the controller or up with the face buttons for a 6-button layout. Just get an 8BitDo.
      Or a Retro-Bit Saturn Pro.

  • @KaledTV
    @KaledTV Месяц назад +142

    It's impressive how Wooting implementation of whatever keyboard technology is always done better than others, all that while using a web based software that saves your settings into the keyboard itself.
    They seem to have good engineers.

    • @zmeyka3310
      @zmeyka3310 23 дня назад +19

      and also flawless linux support since one of the founders uses linux

    • @eniojurko
      @eniojurko 18 дней назад

      @@zmeyka3310 this is great to hear.. linux rules.

    • @sodapone
      @sodapone 17 дней назад

      Do they use QMK/VIA? That might take care of the hard parts for them.

    • @PREDATEURLT
      @PREDATEURLT 16 дней назад +9

      They are too small to become bad, when they will become multimillion company quality will go down, that's allways happens.

    • @roastyou666
      @roastyou666 15 дней назад

      They should make Topre keyboards and slap HHKB in the face lol

  • @r_j_p_
    @r_j_p_ 14 дней назад +13

    mechanical keyboards are for typing, not gaming. If you enjoy typing, because you're writing or coding, then you'll probably enjoy a mechanical keyboard. It feels comfortable. But gamers are using a keyboard in a very different way and it makes sense to use a different key actuator for that use case.

  • @ZachLDB
    @ZachLDB Месяц назад +135

    As much as pros are switching to HE keyboards, an even larger majority has ditched it completely for controllers to take advantage of aimbo… I mean aim assist. 😅

    • @max10hoop
      @max10hoop Месяц назад +8

      COD streamers in particular

    • @mckinleyostvig7135
      @mckinleyostvig7135 Месяц назад +18

      If the game aims for me it's not worth playing that game.

    • @joelconolly5574
      @joelconolly5574 Месяц назад +4

      Apex players in general.

    • @ProgressivistMeans
      @ProgressivistMeans Месяц назад +4

      Lol, your peripheral of choice isn't why you can't get out of gold my man.

    • @ihavenoideawhatiam8414
      @ihavenoideawhatiam8414 Месяц назад +4

      @@ProgressivistMeans ???? thats literally what happened to me in apex tho? it was years ago, but picking up controller allowed me to be stable diamond whereas before i struggled to keep plat
      i quit because of how toxic diamond was tho lol

  • @ninjam77
    @ninjam77 Месяц назад +46

    A big recent development is Snap Tap, which Razer implemented on their keyboards and Wooting now also has. It's an even bigger advantage in games where counter strafing is very important. I'd assume that other manufacturers like Keychron will implement their own version soon though, so I wouldn't base the decision which HE Keyboard to buy just on that feature.

    • @idogaming3532
      @idogaming3532 Месяц назад +5

      It's cheating, it's basically macros. Just like the infamous ASUS wireframe driver.
      (The quakeworld community is so mad)

    • @ArdaSReal
      @ArdaSReal Месяц назад

      Honestly its how keyboards should have always worked. It should be embraced and any game that doesnt want it should implement software to block it​@@idogaming3532

    • @JimmyJimmyBTM
      @JimmyJimmyBTM Месяц назад +1

      if only drunkdeer would copy it like how they copied wootings web software

    • @iriths
      @iriths Месяц назад

      @@JimmyJimmyBTMI heard those are pretty solid, but be careful when you’re updating firmware lol

    • @kekconnoisseur9809
      @kekconnoisseur9809 21 день назад

      ​@@JimmyJimmyBTMwdym? Drunkdeer already has socd available in their beta driver. I already used it but I played valorant and I don't even counter strafe so it's pretty moot

  • @Shajirr_
    @Shajirr_ 12 дней назад +5

    For most people the breaking point is the price. You can buy/build a good mech keyboard for under 100$, or even closer to 50$

    • @DarkTrapStudio
      @DarkTrapStudio День назад

      Gateron red 75% wireless bluetooth and wired is 65, with a volume knob aka Epomaker RK75

  • @Scopiiii
    @Scopiiii Месяц назад +31

    I would love if someone actually bought every wooting clone out there for them to test against each other but also go into the finer details about slightly different actuation behavior like optimum and you did so we can actually see which ones are worth buying especially considering the prices of these keyboards and the different layouts. I personally really want to get a new hall effect keyboard but sadly wooting does not offer the layout Im looking for but I also wanna have hotswap and build quality since I might want to keep that new keyboard for like 5-8 maybe 10 years and just change switches and I think many people want to do that now but I can see that the prices of these keyboards is a problem for this idea. I have checked like 15 different keyboards yesterday and my conclusion to all of them was either "IDK" or "do I really trust this reviewer?" ...

    • @zommnbie
      @zommnbie Месяц назад +1

      Which layout are you looking for?

    • @Scopiiii
      @Scopiiii Месяц назад +2

      @@zommnbie Compact TKL where the F Keys are right above the numbers and same with the keys to the right where they haev no space in between

    • @zommnbie
      @zommnbie Месяц назад +2

      @@Scopiiii have you seen the 80he?

    • @hammerfall6666
      @hammerfall6666 Месяц назад +2

      @@zommnbie the Function keys on 89HE are too close together and why in the hell they keep Pause, Ins and Del keys? Who the fck use those keys for fps games?

    • @omegaPhix
      @omegaPhix 27 дней назад +3

      ​@@hammerfall6666 Who the hell uses anything past a 60% keeb for fps? The 80HE is clearly for work and play

  • @DrathVader
    @DrathVader 12 дней назад +4

    I don't really care about analog controls or gaming features, the biggest advantage for me is reliability. Mechanical switches eventually wear out and double click, and I suppose you can easily replace them with hot-swappable keyboards, but imo a better solution is a switch that doesn't have contacts to wear out, ie hall effect or optical.

  • @yuanfurbax
    @yuanfurbax День назад +1

    as a War thunder player for a sec i thought the title said ''Why everyone's switching to High Explosive keyboards (AND WHY YOU SHOULD TOO)''🤯🤯🤯

  • @fcfdroid
    @fcfdroid Месяц назад +4

    Not having pressure actuation from console to keyboard always bugged me so I'm definitely making the switch! Good video 😎👍

  • @takisk.7698
    @takisk.7698 Месяц назад +6

    I have never used linear switches of any kind.. yes I can see how a switch with programmable actuation point can improve response time for games but.. don't they feel.. mushy I would imagine? Like that's disgusting.. I don't think I can tolerate the feel of those kind of switches.
    The ideal switch would be something with a programmable actuation point that also gives you actual clicky feedback.. I guess that doesn't exist

  • @WSS_the_OG
    @WSS_the_OG Месяц назад +11

    I love the concept of HE switches, but not the feel. It's almost like I might need two keyboards, one mechanical board for typing and productivity (love the tactile feedback when speed-typing), and then an HE keyboard for gaming during which the tactile feedback is unnecessary. If HE keyboards had a tactile bump emulation you could enable and disable (haptics), this would be the best of both worlds.

  • @fractalelf7760
    @fractalelf7760 2 дня назад

    I can honestly say after using my Wooting 60HE+, it’s awesome and it feels so good… worth every penny. Agree on the settings for the Wooting, rarely will you set it to full sensitivity, you will likely accidentally trigger other keys if you aren’t careful. What makes an he keyboard is indeed the rapid trigger… it’s so natural feeling.

  • @walter1824
    @walter1824 22 дня назад +3

    The latency reduction must be insane for longjumping and accurate strafing
    I remember using old office keyboard and mouse for cs 1.6 and could barely jump 245 distance and anything over 250 was a 5% chance. After switching to even a cheap gaming peripherals I could consistantly do 250 and even 255 at least 30% of the time. New equipment should allow for 90% chance of consistant 255 jumps

  • @brentvalentine
    @brentvalentine 15 дней назад +1

    I still have my Sidewinder Pro joystick, that I bought new, and it still works great. The box claimed it was 100% digital and I believe it. I've modded it to work in Windows 11and have been using it flawlessly in my all my simulation titles.

  • @Arlus
    @Arlus Месяц назад +5

    techless up there with optimum tech for best tech content

  • @ptose
    @ptose Месяц назад +4

    this technology could open to very interesting developments for gaming controllers. If you can activate a key just barely touching it, imagine doing complex combos just sliding over the keys in different ways for instance.

    • @Rauw
      @Rauw 15 дней назад +1

      Just watch how tetris pros hit controller. Your mind will be blown.

    • @ptose
      @ptose 15 дней назад +1

      @@Rauw Oh, I've seen that, weird and cool at the same time

  • @LordBritishTTV
    @LordBritishTTV 8 дней назад +1

    I’d love to see a key press have an analog effect such that e.g. the farther down you press [A], the faster you strafe left.

    • @itoastpotatoes399
      @itoastpotatoes399 3 дня назад

      You can do that on games that support controller input, it just sometimes has jank because games aren't used to having analogue input on the keyboard and then a mouse alongside. It works but sometimes there's lag because the hud might switch between keyboard and controller format every frame.
      If a game was designed to facilitate this kind of input then it would work flawlessly.

  • @mindblockandroid
    @mindblockandroid 20 дней назад +9

    How about for typing? I could envision these HE keyboards being annoying af 😅

    • @ZeroStrife1396
      @ZeroStrife1396 13 дней назад +3

      I had the same thought.
      Also for different type of games; I hate that every "gaming" anything seems to think only FPSs exist. My genre of choice is fighting games and I dabble in Osu (mania). These don't sound ideal for either with the settings described.
      I also hate linear switches in general, but that's more of a "me" thing and not fair to complain about.

    • @DrathVader
      @DrathVader 12 дней назад +5

      Why? You can set an actuation point so it works like any other linear switch keyboard.

    • @itoastpotatoes399
      @itoastpotatoes399 3 дня назад +1

      Mines been really good for typing cuz I just made a typing preset and put the actuation point exactly where I like it

    • @xynonners
      @xynonners 3 дня назад +1

      ​@@ZeroStrife1396as a coder, I love low profile linears - really is personal preference lol

  • @Classikh
    @Classikh Месяц назад +3

    My SteelSeries keyboard allows for custom actuation points for each key. I have a diff setting for gaming and typing. Def helps

  • @dividead100
    @dividead100 16 дней назад +5

    This aged fast.

  • @mojoneko8303
    @mojoneko8303 10 дней назад +2

    I've always figured the largest source of latency when I'm gaming is my brain. 🙂

  • @sparky00777
    @sparky00777 Месяц назад +8

    >counterstrafing
    >shows valorant gameplay

    • @dragonproductions236
      @dragonproductions236 3 дня назад

      CS is literally not even supposed to have counter strafing, the only reason it currently exists is because Valve messed up their own port.

  • @SwitchStation
    @SwitchStation Месяц назад +6

    I love my Cherry MX speed silver switches for gaming, but I find it really hard to type with. I wish I had the option to change the distance out of games

    • @max10hoop
      @max10hoop Месяц назад +2

      HE keyboards can have profiles bound to a macro, I believe. So you can switch between different actuation distances with a keypress.

    • @noisserc
      @noisserc Месяц назад +3

      I find mx red already to be hard to type on, much less mx silver. Customizable actuation point is a game changer.

    • @UltimateGattai
      @UltimateGattai Месяц назад

      So a HE should be okay for typing? I really love my Cherry Browns. ​@@max10hoop

    • @akaLegend312
      @akaLegend312 15 дней назад

      I was on a board with Cherry Speed Silvers and now switched to the Wooting 60HE+. In my opinion the difference is insane. The hall effect switches are so much better for gaming and I find them easier to type on because of the adjustable actuation point. Rapid trigger and tighter actuation makes them feel really good for playing CS for example.
      Also the sound is way more pleasant (comparing a Corsair K65 RGB mini to a Wooting 60HE+ module in an Alumaze case)

  • @litzborg
    @litzborg Месяц назад +2

    Its like using a ball mouse to a optical mouse you will definitly notice the change.

  • @Wilhuf1
    @Wilhuf1 6 дней назад +1

    0.5 ms is immaterial. If games accounted for ‘keypress magnitude’ then Hall effect keys might matter.
    Also, what happened to full-size keyboards with numpads?

  • @ped-away-g1396
    @ped-away-g1396 16 дней назад +2

    I doubt this is gonna make any difference, it's more a gimmick than an actual next best thing.
    this HE keyboard may be a bit superior on paper in terms of latency... if all of your reactions didn't happen in subconscious level (spoiler : they do and it's totally out of your control. have you ever had a 'why the hell did I do that' moment? that's an example of it).

  • @imnotusingmyrealname4566
    @imnotusingmyrealname4566 9 дней назад +1

    Are there hall effect keyboards with high force switches equivalent to Cherry black?

  • @Cqex
    @Cqex 7 дней назад +1

    Bro fogot to say that switches are indestructable because it only has a spring and a magnet instead of a thin metal that can break if you hit it too hard😂

  • @microdesigns2000
    @microdesigns2000 4 часа назад

    Keys with adjustable hysteresis could be used for a variety of purposes. But I wonder about regular typing of documentation. Will a person be able to maximize typing speed with a hall effect keyboard? Also, each finger is a little different so maybe the keystroke data from a typing session could be used to make individual adjustments to each key to increase young performance.

  • @bobbobson6290
    @bobbobson6290 Месяц назад +2

    Now I can play Factorio so much more precise!

  • @AironExTv
    @AironExTv 12 дней назад +1

    Nich übel. Danke. Ich hatte von diesen Switches nicht die geringste Ahnung. Ich warte bis ein gute 105-Tastatur mit diesen Switches erscheint.

  • @alpacamale2909
    @alpacamale2909 29 дней назад +5

    who is everyone?

  • @BigBenAdv
    @BigBenAdv 13 дней назад

    It's interesting how much engineering and acceptance of 'expensive' keyboards have come a long way from since I was a teen.
    During the old days (~24 years back), my friends and I would offer to buy a new keyboard for folks with older and trade with their worn out (but higher quality) membrane keyboards to play games precisely because of this.
    A good quality membrane keyboard uses a thin plastic divider between 2 plastic sheets with conductive traces as the 'switch' (cheaper membrane keebs used a carbon piece on the dome itself that causes other issues).
    Hence, the actual actuation travel is sub-1mm if the top of the membrane 'striker' is held just above the top sheet. We'd play with the dome held in the depressed position just above the sheets to reduce the key travel needed to activate the keys. A worn out keeb would offer lower resistance which is more comfortable to hold in that position.
    Due to the physical design, a membrane keyboard using the plastic sheets has a shorter debounce period than a keyboard that uses metal contact leaf and offered lower latency response as well.
    This technique basically allowed us to game with 'lower' keypress latency since we had a shorter travel + shorter debounce latency.
    This obviously doesn't quite exactly work the same these days since the polling rates, controller speeds, and NKRO matters significantly (back then it was just PS2 without having to deal with USB polling rates and NKRO wasn't particularly well known as an issue). Not to mention, a worn out membrane keyboard just feels really mushy and lacks the tactility for regular productivity work.

  • @JINNY-dl5yk
    @JINNY-dl5yk 13 дней назад +1

    very good explanation. intuitive and simple.

  • @Fatal_Error_Gaming
    @Fatal_Error_Gaming 16 часов назад

    Very informative. I know I live my Wooting 60HE. So much I'm thinking of the 80He.
    Thanks for the tech behind the tech discussion points. I love tha nerd stuff. That's what makes me by stuff. 😊

  • @Soggstermainia
    @Soggstermainia День назад

    I have been using a linear optical switch with less travel and pressure required to activate. This allows me to get less delay to present and be more responsive alot like the he keys. But... I get to keep the set point that's fixed to start and release. With very little use I quickly found this meant I could feather the activation point to fly a space ship say and be able to make smoothing adjustments etc.
    Ideally if I could get a keyboard that allowed for outputs that you could set the activation and endpoints on you could use one key as a normal switch and set the point it actions, then set another to use .2mm pressed as 1% and fully depressed as 100% and use it as a throttle say. Or have a key that has a level one activation for most of the stroke and a full depression would be able to output a second command, much like a two stage trigger in some joysticks.
    Keyboards... are getting better and hopefully even more nice options will be developed.

  • @RJ-vy4yd
    @RJ-vy4yd Месяц назад +13

    You forgot to mention about analog optical switches.
    The best keyboards to buy right now are either Wooting HE or Razer Huntsman V3 Pro. Performance and feature set wise they're the same, much better than everything else.
    You get former if you prefer better sounding one, you get latter if you prefer prettier and easier to synchronize with rest of your setup RGB lights.
    Your "what pros use" graphs shows that too.

    • @madarab
      @madarab Месяц назад +2

      Lol buggy razer sw and muh RGB sync. No, both keyboard are overpriced trash. I bet you also bought gaming headset with some kind of scout mode lol.

    • @ZeroChoices
      @ZeroChoices Месяц назад

      i could say the wooting 60he+ is fairly priced, good software good customer support, good warranty, community is pretty nice too​@@madarab

    • @mckinleyostvig7135
      @mckinleyostvig7135 Месяц назад +7

      Wooting also has no crappy bloatware software you have to download and keep updated and hogging system resources.
      They have an online portal to make changes to settings and then you just flash that to the keyboard memory.

    • @PepRex
      @PepRex 19 дней назад

      ​​@@mckinleyostvig7135Oh no a program takes 200mb of my 64gm ram what will I do

  • @naamadossantossilva4736
    @naamadossantossilva4736 Месяц назад +2

    Oh great,another rabbit hole.Shame they are still so expensive.

  • @lornelorne5727
    @lornelorne5727 День назад +1

    Deceptive title. Title says "everyone", but the video just talks entirely about gamers.

  • @Rihardololz
    @Rihardololz 12 дней назад +1

    Only thing i don't love it about it is the price point.

  • @ubacow7109
    @ubacow7109 5 дней назад

    Nuphy is also getting in on this now w/ rapid trigger as well~

  • @GrzegorzSobkowicz
    @GrzegorzSobkowicz 7 дней назад

    I wish this was established as standard years ago, we would have games where pressing the button harder actually did more damage and things like that.

  • @josephrodgersjogabonito4624
    @josephrodgersjogabonito4624 Месяц назад

    Honestly I’m happy just enabling socd with software on my custom keyboard. Still feels insane

  • @MichaelHarto
    @MichaelHarto 15 дней назад

    But in reality, your fingers need to push full travel distance of the switch in order to get easier bounce to depress. Without bouncing, finger fatigue and carpal tunnel will become trouble.
    The easier method is to use something like SOCD cleaning method in hitbox controllers to get instant actuation between tapping 2 buttons/keys

  • @mikestrote8158
    @mikestrote8158 4 дня назад

    das bis zum nächsten video hat mein kopf zerfetzt

  • @jossremes5502
    @jossremes5502 Месяц назад +1

    With socd in the picture, you should just get any low latency keyboard and activate said feature (At least for FPS).

    • @grabasliceandchillout9008
      @grabasliceandchillout9008 25 дней назад

      Wooting has SOCD as well

    • @jossremes5502
      @jossremes5502 25 дней назад

      @@grabasliceandchillout9008 I know. I would say that proves my point. At least when it comes to FPS, socd is faster than rapid trigger.

  • @musicheaven1679
    @musicheaven1679 9 дней назад

    Let's be honest here most of us aren't buying mechanical keyboards because they give us a gaming advantage, we do it for the clack/thock/cream something which at this point I havent seen a HE switch especially well yet. I'm sure in the near future someone will figure out some way to give HE keyboards the same sound as a good womier keyboard or something but even then us tactile enjoyers will always be there for mechanical keyboards. So no I dont think mechanical keyboards are going anywhere anytime soon. (not to mention the recent valve ban of quick strafe)

  • @cheungus87
    @cheungus87 29 дней назад

    HE are the smoothest linears I have used but is louder than my silent reds so it's limits my use case for work and around people. I am at the mercy of gateron to make a silent HE switch.

  • @MarkoVuckovic32
    @MarkoVuckovic32 Месяц назад +1

    Well I would like to switch to them but the only one I found that has a numpad is Wooting Two HE. The problem is that Wooting is not sold in my country and I'd have to pay about $60 for shipping and who knows how much for import taxes. Basically I'd be able to buy one more regular mechanical keyboard for that amount of money. Hopefully the situation will change so I can end up getting it or some other full size HE option.

    • @omegaPhix
      @omegaPhix 27 дней назад

      Just get a seperate non hall-effect numpad?

    • @MarkoVuckovic32
      @MarkoVuckovic32 27 дней назад

      @@omegaPhix then I'd have to use two USB ports. It's kinda dumb when a full size keyboard needs just one.

    • @omegaPhix
      @omegaPhix 27 дней назад

      @@MarkoVuckovic32 Oh no, two out of 20 usb ports will be used...

    • @RomanMlejnek
      @RomanMlejnek 25 дней назад

      Ordered one yesterday and shipping to the Czech Republic only cost me 11 euro and I'm not aware of any import tax (yet). And judging from your name you're also slavic - european, I don't see why shipping to you would be this much more expensive.

    • @MarkoVuckovic32
      @MarkoVuckovic32 25 дней назад +1

      @@RomanMlejnek I am from Serbia and it literally said 60 for shipping. Also on top of that we have to pay import taxes for anything more expensive than $50 and you never know how much that will be until you receive the item. It's extremely dumb and I hope it changes one day.

  • @mng7872
    @mng7872 Месяц назад +1

    Could you please test the Drunkdeer and ATK HE keyboards? I haven't seen any coverage of the ATK boards and the reviews of Drunkdeer boards are purely subjective, and include no objective measurements like yours

  • @Rockett.
    @Rockett. Месяц назад

    There will be a QMK update soon that adds SOCD for any custom keyboard owners.

    • @nathenieldanta9731
      @nathenieldanta9731 Месяц назад

      would love to know whens its out to try on a cheap keyboard w/ qmk

  • @dtantsikian
    @dtantsikian Месяц назад +5

    Never switching to HE keyboards or mice with optical switches unless the sound and feel become indistinguishable from mechanical switches.

  • @flamestoyershadowkill6400
    @flamestoyershadowkill6400 23 дня назад +1

    Or have analog movement so you don't need sprint modifiers.

  • @Atilolzz
    @Atilolzz Месяц назад +1

    Hmm I am not a big fan of the MX Style chassis for the switches, they sound rather similar to each other, bit of a missed opportunity to make a unique sounding board

  • @FelanLP
    @FelanLP 25 дней назад

    what is so dificult about making it right?
    You just need to program it to have an adjustable actuation point for any kay (ether all together or individually) and make it release as soon as you lift you finger. The rest is just build quality. But for that, there should be a standard.
    The benefits are obvious. Not only can you reduce latency time you need to activate/deactivate you key press, but it also would remove the need for a fake latency added to compensate bounce and debounce timings. (Times the keyboard has to wait for the contacts to settly, before counting an input as an input to not register rapid key presses and releases.) Since you now only have these bounces (if in the first place) AFTER you have already pressed/released the key, at the end of your keystroke, your actual inputs starting points would be unefected in timings. If your HE keyboard doesn't account for that, it is indeed a bad product.

  • @Haru_no_ki
    @Haru_no_ki 29 дней назад

    I’ve been using mechanical keyboards for 9 years already. All of them were linear and all of them had actuation point of 2.0mm. I skipped optical switches and now I wonder if 0.1mm will feel that much different when my magnetic keyboard will arrive

  • @djacob9800
    @djacob9800 13 дней назад

    My Wooting 80HE is pre ordered, i went for the white zinc alloy case.

    • @RealJonzuk
      @RealJonzuk 13 дней назад

      nice im gettng the arbiter keyboard for 100$ alluminum alloy case and gateron switches included, never buying another wooting after what they did to people who bought their original laser analog ones

  • @TheFi1thyCasual
    @TheFi1thyCasual 9 дней назад

    Steam has started to ban the use of some of these features in competitive games too.. soo that’s a thing.

  • @ZandoNoid
    @ZandoNoid Месяц назад

    Thank god for steelseries and wooting for making HE mainstream tbh
    Hopefully the same happens for HE sticks in controllers

  • @amizan8653
    @amizan8653 Месяц назад +2

    yeah, hall effect keyboards are pretty cool. I use controllers like the PS5 controller to play stuff like Elden Ring, so I don't really get an advantage using hall effect mechanical switches. I end up preferring my mechanical keyboard with tactile boba u4t switches and I just love the feeling and sound of it.

  • @verde5738
    @verde5738 4 дня назад

    I've been using cheap 5$ keyboards my entire life and I never felt the need to have anything fancier.

  • @derekschommer1465
    @derekschommer1465 11 дней назад

    tried to repeat the button push test with my 5 year old K95 and I couldn't get the key to not press lol

  • @alexp3577
    @alexp3577 Месяц назад +6

    Good video but it seems odd that you didn’t cover the new Razer and Wooting feature

    • @madarab
      @madarab Месяц назад

      It is feature for sweaty gold novas like you hoping to get better.

    • @alexp3577
      @alexp3577 Месяц назад +2

      @@madarab lol, man, why so mad?
      Why are you so quick to insult and talk about ranks? You sound like an angry teenager that reached a decent rank for the first time and made it base of his identity, since it's the only achievement he has.
      This feature should be discussed: should it be banned in tournaments or allowed for everyone, possibly even implemented as game setting.
      Anyway, the more coverage it has - the better, since it's not going anywhere and ignoring it won't help.
      Also I don't have razer or wooting, and I don't plan to use this feature.

    • @madarab
      @madarab Месяц назад

      @@alexp3577 No one cares dude, nice story.

    • @skinscalp222
      @skinscalp222 Месяц назад

      @@alexp3577 That's arabs for you. allah forbids them of doing anything fun in life so they resort to trolling on internet to have purpose.

    • @RomanMlejnek
      @RomanMlejnek 25 дней назад +2

      @@madarab ratio

  • @radifhasan629
    @radifhasan629 Месяц назад +1

    Is msi g2412 better than philips evnia 24M1N3200Z. Please answer bro I need a new monitor.
    By the way love your content ❤

  • @baalrpk
    @baalrpk Месяц назад +3

    Great video, love how you did the test setup and put a lot into explaining differences between mech/hall. But just like most stuff in the "gaming industry" hall keyboards are just a hype. As it has been prover hundreds of times before; You need to perfect basically all other "gaming skills" before "technical details" like having a hall keyb would make you a better player. There are literally memes for years now, about chads with 20k gaming PCs, getting wrecked by just better players playing on theirs "grandmas sewing machine". Similar to people crying how 144Hz monitors are "too slow", and they need at least 250Hz to give them "the edge". Same with these keyboards. They are objectively "better", but there are very very few people who can actually benefit from that (and yes, if you are reading or commenting on this, odds are you are not one of those people).

    • @takisk.7698
      @takisk.7698 Месяц назад +1

      I don't really agree with your point.. yes have hall switches would make you a better player with a bit of practice but that doesn't mean you will jump to level 100 either.. that guy on his grandma's pc will still wreck you but that doesn't mean the hall switches don't help either.
      Let's just put it this way.. a hall switch is the equivalent of +5 enchantment on a rpg weapon.. the weapon might be still crap or the player might still be bad at using it but it's still an improvement.

  • @4minyte888
    @4minyte888 Месяц назад

    if you mod the switch by changing the spring it will also change the latency. i changed my spring to 15g, the keyboard became sensitive

    • @omegaPhix
      @omegaPhix 27 дней назад

      But you can't bottom out your key, release it by the fraction of a millimeter and register a new input again

    • @4minyte888
      @4minyte888 26 дней назад

      @@omegaPhix i tried it to test it out, i dont have to go back to the total travel of the switch with 15g springs. Ive compared it to the regular 55g springs, i definitely have to bring the keycap back up to register another press. But with 15g i can stay close to the actuation point without lifting the keycap back up to the total travel. I use gateron low profile and spritz spring spring 15g.

  • @ReflexVE
    @ReflexVE 18 дней назад

    Thinking of this as a productivity device, how about tap for lower case and full press for upper case or secondary function, eliminating the need for shift keys?

  • @nekilik89
    @nekilik89 Месяц назад

    Das "bis zum nächsten Video" hat sich so natürlich angehört :D So als hätte man einen Filter entfernt haha

  • @draakisback
    @draakisback 14 дней назад

    I wouldnt say that hall effect is objectively better. Maybe if youre playing counter strike it is, but you can more or less close the gap here with proper switches and software.

  • @russiancommy
    @russiancommy Месяц назад

    His half about lifting actuation point mattering is mumbo jumbo, if you played cs, and you're good you'll find the lift off distance of the mechanical one and learn it and counter strafe as well, rappy snappy on the other hand is nuts.

    • @omegaPhix
      @omegaPhix 27 дней назад

      It's about not having to fully release a key to register a new input again. Rapid trigger is really good for games like Apex or Overwatch

    • @russiancommy
      @russiancommy 22 дня назад

      I agree it is, I'm just stating a pro is pretty good at counter strafing and will know the activation point through muscle memory.

    • @matt-dw
      @matt-dw 19 дней назад +1

      ​@@russiancommyThat's exactly like saying a good player doesn't benefit from using a high-refresh-rate monitor over a 60hz monitor because they can predict where the enemy's head is going to be 15ms in the future.

  • @IlIIllllllI
    @IlIIllllllI Месяц назад +4

    I swear to god it's not about keyboards it's about skills. My friend can hit GE in cs easily but me using the HE keyboard can't even get out of gold😂

    • @danmararteta
      @danmararteta Месяц назад +2

      Ofcourse u have to have the skills. If two person with the exact same level of skill in fps compete against each other and the other one is using the HE keyboard. That player will have a slight advantage.

    • @danmararteta
      @danmararteta Месяц назад +1

      Also, i find HE helpful in my gameplay. I do have some skills but my issue with my gameplay is that my left and right hand doesn’t synchronize at times. Adjusting the actuation points and enabling rapid trigger or snap tap/rappy snappy makes it effortless for me to synchronize my left hand movements to my right hand triggering fire since those features are compensating for the delay of my left hand.

    • @Spectrulight
      @Spectrulight Месяц назад +2

      These keyboards don't give you skill. Obviously you'd be worse than your friend if they have more skill. If they had the keyboard they would be better at the game but it doesn't *give* skill.
      If you and your friend had the same skill, and only you had the keyboard, you'd be slightly better, but equally skilled.

  • @CodSlap
    @CodSlap Месяц назад

    If Keychron start making the Q0 Max - my movement pad - in HE, I’ll start saving up.
    But to replace a fully-working and fine-tuned 100% mechanical keyboard that’s a joy to look at, listen to and type on, just for the sake of HE movement? Nah, dog - I’ll pass.
    You do you, of course.

  • @roythunderplump
    @roythunderplump Месяц назад +1

    Optical switches like on the Corsair K65 Pro mini now useless in the fast changing world of keyboard innovation?

    • @ameserich
      @ameserich Месяц назад +1

      No, rapid trigger are only used on FPS games and its advantage are even less when compared to Optical/Low-Travel-Distance like ROG Falchion RX or your K65 pro mini... new features like onboard Null Binds, Snap Tap/SOCD makes more impact, (its cheat though)

    • @roythunderplump
      @roythunderplump Месяц назад

      Thanks, the buzz around HE, Rapid Trigger makes it out to be the end game for all keyboard users.

    • @GGbowz
      @GGbowz Месяц назад

      ​@@roythunderplump For gaming HE is end game at the moment and not just for fps games. But if you mainly use it for typing there is no point and I prefer a tactile switch for that.

    • @grabasliceandchillout9008
      @grabasliceandchillout9008 25 дней назад

      @@ameserich Little do you know Wooting also has that

  • @sidesw1pe
    @sidesw1pe 9 дней назад

    Hall effect. The effect of a hall. What does it mean?

  • @xNoo3
    @xNoo3 День назад

    is the Akko mod007v3 He and the Akko mod007b he the same from the end to end latency ? :D

  • @albinoasesino
    @albinoasesino 3 дня назад

    What about the sound?
    Is it clicky, is it low to no sound?

  • @jammies701
    @jammies701 Месяц назад

    Nice vid mate

  • @chizinks
    @chizinks 11 дней назад

    How does CS2 banning all forms of SOCD affect your viewpoint now?

    • @techlessYT
      @techlessYT  10 дней назад +1

      SOCD is just the icing on the cake

  • @ZeorZoei
    @ZeorZoei Месяц назад

    im just gonna point out all of this peripherals, fuasing about "physical" latency will be obsolete when brain signal interface hits

  • @REMY.C.
    @REMY.C. Месяц назад

    That thumbnail 😂

  • @dragonproductions236
    @dragonproductions236 3 дня назад

    4:50 Literally shows why all your "rapid reset and low actuation point" reasoning fails. When you let go, the character jerks to the left due to it registering the key resetting as an input.
    This is just 8 minutes of you going "I have a skill issue".

  • @Demnus
    @Demnus 23 дня назад +1

    Tree words FTW - low profile membrane!

  • @J7T800
    @J7T800 29 дней назад

    The only thing stopping me from switching to HE is the sound. For some reason HE boards sound dull.

  • @crackedgamer2257
    @crackedgamer2257 Месяц назад +1

    Can you try the polar 65 and 75

  • @abika2324
    @abika2324 Месяц назад +1

    what about cheapest Redragon K617 Rapid Trigger ? Please take a look at it.🙏

    • @Nered...
      @Nered... Месяц назад +1

      pretty garbage, not a much difference from mechanical keyboard. Look at fire68 (budget king btw), atk68, drunkdeer g60/g65/a75

    • @abika2324
      @abika2324 Месяц назад

      @@Nered... Thank you, I will take your suggestions into consideration❤❤

  • @Ludak021
    @Ludak021 Месяц назад +1

    Elitists will always find a reason to be different.

  • @darrienandrews492
    @darrienandrews492 Месяц назад

    How does the Highground Base 65 compare to these? Is it worth buying?

  • @jonathandawson3091
    @jonathandawson3091 20 дней назад

    DrunkDeer also delivers.

  • @BastyTHz
    @BastyTHz Месяц назад

    but there no 9x layout that use hall effect, still need numpad when control and input numbers.

  • @cconorTV
    @cconorTV 29 дней назад

    keyboard that corrects the user's sloppy inputs is cheese af

  • @TheFirstOfMany219
    @TheFirstOfMany219 Месяц назад

    hey i was wondering if you would review the Acer EK241Y EBI ive heard its got good contrast for the price

  • @SomeFrenchDude
    @SomeFrenchDude Месяц назад +9

    "everyone"
    Kind of a hyperbole there pal.

  • @danielmarinov4457
    @danielmarinov4457 12 дней назад

    4:54 don't membrane keyboards do the same thing?

  • @cameroncorrosive925
    @cameroncorrosive925 21 день назад +2

    the percentage is high, but the player count is pretty low @0:20 on the graph.

  • @thedirtblock
    @thedirtblock 10 дней назад

    High Explosive keyboard

  • @borgulus6170
    @borgulus6170 19 дней назад

    Hey i buyed acciendly magnetic switches on wich Board can I put them. There Are no Pins on it. Ist the magnetic jade linear Switch

  • @xheg_
    @xheg_ Месяц назад

    Hello, have you got any news about the H27T22 Innolux panel? Thank you