Final Fantasy X In Under 3 Hours: How? Dansg08 Reacts To FFX Speedrun
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- I have always wondered how the speedrunning elite complete the game so quickly, but I've yet to actually watch a full run of it being done, until now. A huge thank you to top Speedrunner oddmog for allowing me the use of his excellent sub 3-hour run as reference. Check him out here! / @oddmog
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I've been wanting to try something a little different from the usual day-to-day videos for a while now and Elden Ring has been my favourite game of the last couple of years. I wanted to fuse together 2 games I love and had seen some videos of character models being imported into Elden Ring for some fun videos, mostly of using them in combat. But, me being me, I wanted to take things a step further and actually try to tell a story using this method. Auron's story and his relationship with life and death, travelling between realms as an unsent, puts him in an interesting position where just for curiosity's sake, I could try to send him to the Lands Between of Elden Ring. After leaving Spira, what if fate had one last adventure in store for him?
I tried to create something fun that will hopefully showcase the world and general story of Elden Ring to those who have never seen it (many followers of this channel are more FF/JRPG-centric and may have no interest in ever playing ER), while providing an entertaining "what if" story for fans of both games. I tried my best to tell a cohesive story and make it make sense, using some dialogue from FFX where appropriate to give it a little more dynamism, while having him journey through the world of ER to eventually become the Elden Lord.
Some liberties have been taken with the story and of course it's mostly a solo fun fan-made video that won't have incredible production value and isn't to be taken too seriously, but I hope that it captures the imagination and proves to be a nice viewing experience. It was super fun to work on and try a different style of recording, editing and storytelling. It's nice to do these one-off projects from time to time just to add something more creative to the ever-growing Dansg08 archive of videos :)
(For anyone wondering how I got Auron into the game, I commissioned a modder who specialises in putting character models into these games to put the HD remaster version of Auron in there. Some aspects are not perfect but both me and the modder didn't have the technical knowhow to fix it so I did my best with what I had!)
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Been fascinating to watch and react to a speedrun of this game for the first time. Thank you to oddmog for allowing me use of their run for this video, definitely check them out and support the content! ► Twitter & Instagram @dansg08 ► Support on Patreon & get exclusive perks: www.patreon.com/dansg08 ► Hang out with fellow FF fans on our 24/7 Stream: ruclips.net/video/FaXe7LL5VWU/видео.html ► A HUGE thank you to all my Patrons on Patreon for the support they provide to the channel which help me to keep making LPs such as this one, a special thank you to the highest tier Patrons: ► Josh Murphy ► j85norway ► Jay_Wotw ► Jesse F ► CityMorgue ► Hedgelord42 ► El No ► Gabriel R ► Joseph L C ► PrincessMagical ► Streeter ► De_Life_Stream ► Cameron M ► RyanPossible
Did you mute the music or is it a mod in the speedrun?
😁👍 do you happen to know how they skip all cut scenes?
In my eyes ff10 will forever be my favorite game. I still tear up the the ending even at 34
Same
exactly
Same, same and same
I'm 31 myself and I feel mostly the same. It used to be my favorite when it came out, and it's still in my top 3 to this day.
Oh the music in this game is everything
I said before that I like this idea for you already so it was pretty enjoyable. But I gotta say: I love the detail of updating the music as the places change along 😅
From what I understand about the first fights, that's what you use to figure out which RNG seed you have. I think some people will have a friend plugging all the damage numbers and crits in to a rng finder thing, this is important super early because you'll need to know if you can get the No Encoutners armor from the Cavern of the Faith ghost encounter immediately.
Partially correct - sometimes there is an interested viewer tracking RNG and so on for you, but for these runs at this point most of the RNG manipulation has been calculated ahead of time in order to minimise the amount of manip decisions you need to make throughout the run - Mog in particular enjoys making his own routes which differ from the 'mainstream' for lack of a better word routes.
Other than discovering rng manipulation and creating the tool etc, all of the work for manipulation here was performed by OddMog.
It's like what we did back in the day with the Cure list for FFXII.
@@TheMorrogoth elaborate?
@@hipsterroxas2626 Google "FFXII Cure List".
You should see a link entitled "FF XII - RNG Cure List - Mark Egli"
@@hipsterroxas2626 based off how much you healed gave you your seed number
Wow, under 3 hours. That's impressive. It takes me longer than that to get through the cloister trials.
not that impressive if you add in the cutscenes that normally play lol
@@jdforeman79 then ur dub
@@dylanvaccaro6919 it was a joke bruh
@@TheUltimateRare Not that impressive 😂 let's see your best run.
@@peternelson7048 Nah bro I grind in my RPG's cause i enjoy slow progression.
Very interesting video! Thanks for switching up the background music. That's the attention to detail I love from your videos.
Probably be a good idea to interview Oddmog. He can give u detail reasons for the actions he took.
I'd watch that :)
This is a great idea. Bring him in to explain speed run tech to dansgo's audience, maybe get himself a few new viewers. Win win
@@iamthehobo yeah there is tons going on in that run that is not self-evident.
Gonna love seeing your insights since this combines my core interests and niches of FFX and speedrunning :)
I've been watching FFX runs for a while but the cutscene remover helps out this game a lot.
Speed runners are amazing. I just watched a breakdown of Mario Brothers 8-2 and the timing of those runs are down to frames.
I have also watched a video on how people figured out how to skip the whole scene where you get to fight with Semore in FFX.
I will never master a game like you have with FFX but I got the platinum because I watched your videos. I remember playing FFX on my PS2 and how fun it was back in the day without a book and just small web pages to get hints about how to solve the trials.
For the Blitzball game, your intuition is pretty spot on. You need to do the attempt at the Jecht shot to advance the story, but it's a little quicker to fail it intentionally. Then in the first half, they need to use Tidus somehow (passing to him, then to someone else does it) to get enough experience for a level up. At halftime they equip Sphere Shot and set up a chance to go ahead 1-0 as close to Wakka coming on at 3:02 as possible. The blitz-offs to start play in the first and second half, as well as after Wakka joins, are all coin flips. So a perfect game is a 1-0 win with Tidus scoring right at 3:02 in the second half.
It's possible to continue the run without the strength sphere if you lose, but the backup strategies are slower by about a minute, maybe 2. In addition if you lose the game you probably lost some time there too. There's only a 1/8 chance to win all 3 coin flip blitz offs, and when the Goers have the ball they can very easily just score at almost any time.
I thought the coin flip was determined by who had the ball last. Ive played a LOT of blitzball and always throw the ball or shoot and miss or give it away because if the enemy had the ball when the buzzer went off then I would have the ball next.
@@stormrungaming I know when someone scores the following blitz off will always go to the team that just gave up the goal. But for the start of both halves, and when Wakka comes in, those three blitz offs are 50/50
@@wegogiant I was tired and somehow missed a big part of your comment! lol I thought you meant every game not the first one. Sorry! and I learned something today. lol
sir, this is your doctor. You have 3 hours to live. What are you going to do?
This guy:
i would probably spend these 3 hour sleeping x)
I can't wait to read these comments in a day or two.
That is fascinating already in the first moments.
I have never seen Tidus go after the machine on his own or even think about blowing it up. I thought Auron always told you to do it
Skipping the Jecht shot was intentional because if they succeed, it tries to load a cut scene that doesn't exist anymore and crashes
I'm surprised the nerds couldn't patch that to fix it. ALso this game stopped getting updates long ago so square can't help us with that.
@@TheUltimateRarethe cutscene Skipper mod is designed for speedrunners even though you can use it in a casual run so it does not skip cutscenes that you would not see in the speed run
Nice reaction video.. fun to hear your surprise at the strats applied
Honesty, the minutiae of how the speed runners optimise their runs is so fascinating. I love it because my brain absolutely couldn’t hold all that information if I was playing lol
Once upon a time, I wondered about getting into doing FFVII speedruns, then I saw how many tiny little bits of movement you need to get perfect that I noped out almost immediately! If you take even one step too many in this one scene, then you're going to get an extra battle before such and such boss, and then you won't have the HP necessary to tank the hits and you will fail. Oh no! No thank you!
The FF speedrun community is absolutely amazing. The way they manage to break games that are (I believe) pretty solid coding-wise is very impressive. Plus it's always a treat to watch an FF run at AGDQ. The FF9 one from AGDQ 2019 is one of my all-time favorites to watch on a rainy day.
GGs to oddmog, and thanks a ton for doing a voiceover for the run. Was hoping some speedrun content would make its way to this cannel at some point!
There was nothing random about this run. He was guaranteed to get a no encounter item from the ghost and a zombiestrike weapon from Yunalesca because he was using RNG manipulation.
And using macros for a lot of the inputs
@@JohnSmith-rr3jt macros are banned, but it is rng manipulated
This makes sense. I watched some of his live feed of the speedrun and he always got rare steals as well.
Yeah I've seen some of this. They'll have someone else punch in the damage numbers of the first encounters of the game, to see what seed they got, then that person can tell the player what they need to do to get the drops they want, where they'll get rare steals, etc. Impressive how much work the speedrun community have done on this game 🙂
@@Oakeybloke yeah, its kinda crazy to think getting like the first 3 damage numbers ends up being enough info to be able to plan for the rng so far into the run. granted they do have to track what which random enemy spawns to keep in step with the rng.
What I think would be cool if it can be worked out is have a speed runner doing commentary with you and explaining why he does certain things answering questions. Because there are small mechanics in the game like if you hit enemies for over a certain amount of damage, they behave one way versus if you do under the amount of damage.
Or like an interview.
Or better yet. Have a speedrunner guide/tutor Berk through doing his own speedrun attempt/learning the route, even if it goes 5 hours and save/loading the tough spots.
Thank you both Oddmog and Burk!!! Awesome vid!
Oh hey, wasn't aware CSR was a official category nowadays that's really nice. Might go throw a run or two at it, done regular runs ages ago just out of curiosity and GDQ/RPGLB back when the median was like, 10/11 hours lol.
Wonder how quick nemesis% is nowadays...
I'm friends with a nemesis runner. It's about 18 hrs, good chunk is obviously captures which hasn't had too many optimisations on what we can do
@1:33:50 That Bahamut slap was unreal! One-hit ko bosses like they are nothing 🙅♂
What an amazing speedrun and amazing commentary from Dangs08
Yeah, we may never find a way for humans to do the Djose skip in a normal run. Skips involve getting pushed into a cutscene trigger or past an invisible wall by npcs, and the Djose skip requires getting pushed by the chocobo all the way into the cutscene trigger at the fork in the road, while you're talking to a different npc so you can't even control Tidus while getting pushed. Maybe one day we'll find a suitable set up.
It would allow us to skip the entire Djose temple and we would never get Ixion. This also saves more time in the final fight where all the aeons need to be summoned against Yu Yevon
Really cool Berk! Speed runners fascinate me. The way every single move, battle, etc is all completely calculated is so cool to watch. Go Bahamut! 😂👊👍🙂💪💪
Funny to see that beefing up Bahamut is the strategy of choice. It’s basically the same way I played the game aswel as a kid 😂
I love watching speed runs as it is. But there is nothing. Absolutely nothing like experienced gamers explaining why every choice and step is made. You said it yourself, poetry in motion. Thank you for the excellent commentary
yuna getting to Auron just to use the teleport sphere is so cool for some reasons
summons use your stats so it's better to give yuna a lot of strength and magic.
Cutscene skipper was a gamechanger for me. I had long ago stopped doing yearly ffx runs by it brought them back into my life
How much time does the mod cut? Like do they add that onto the end to compare with the pre-mod times.
Like 10 hours. It is a separate category so it does not get the time added back on
You can actually know which enemy is gonna popup and when. Also when every crit damage isgonna happen. I actually watched a vid this morning of another youtuber explaining how it was discovered . Really fascinating. They know what seed is generated and can plan accordingly. Even down to the weapon drops
the fact that like half of this run could fit in just the Mushroom Rock Section of the normal game shows just how dense this game is story and cutscene wise
Dude I love FFX and you literally have showed me so much to this game that I would never have known! Thank you for these videos that you have made!
Your commentary is so enjoyable
Crits do pay a factor split by split, and they are actually somewhat predictable to human runs. The community has unpacked nearly everything about RNG, and each character has its own RNG value which advances only when that character attacks. So what runners do is to track the first 3-6 hits on the sinscales to determine the RNG seed and then a separate tool to unpack how the RNG plays out through the game, considering crits like you've mentioned, and No Encounters armor later in the game. It was even used in some runs to predict and/or manip Kimahri self-destruct during the Mushroom Rock Battle Site fights, but that is no longer part of the route.
Wait how in the world is it so short man I always wondered thanks again bro
I'm so glad to hear the perfection of the original soundtrack music! I love hearing Berk's reaction too.
I've been introduced to FFX speed running by watching Madhyama and Camper but wow sub 3 hours now? That's some big improvements.
1:20:49 it is blowing my mind to see THIS fight happening sub two hours! Let alone the thought that this game will be finished within an hour from now.
Djose skip was on PS2, the positioning of the actors is slightly different. We took great pains to get Jose skip to work on Steam even with the TAS, and we never got close enough even with such TAS precision to make it work.
they manipulate all the encounters by knowing the rng seed to get that ghost encounter and know what every steal is gonna do.
Been looking forward to this Berk!
What I'm betting.
At the start, it's either turn manip, or also because Tiduses attack animation is faster than Aurons, but Auron does more damage, so anything that Tidus can one hit you want him to, unless it's gonna take longer.
Doing the menu heal at the start instead of the sphere cancel is probably because they're going to be entering the menus to change settings before Yuna first summons, so doing it now since you need the heal now too.
From what I know about speedruns that's what I'm gathering.
Edit: yeah they don't need to go into the menus for anything else before Valefor
"Listen To My Story. This May Be Our Last Chance."
The thing that hurts me the most watching FFX speedruns is all of the treasure chests that were not grabbed along the way because I have a need to do it in every run 🤣
for me its not kicking the ball on highroad
Oh nice, this got uploaded. Ya its been like 20/21 years and it only takes 3 hours to beat this game now? I remember it taking me about 80 hours as a kid. Thanks for keeping the channel alive Berk
It's so amazing that the speedrunning community accepted and integrated cutscene skip runs so quickly. There's something beautiful about a community-based thing where something is just better for everyone they can go yeah sure let's do it. No waiting for some multi-million-dollar Corporation to take forever to make the decision that it doesn't make us more money so no you can't do it. I mean Nintendo is still saying that playing a Pokemon Nuzlocke is the same as hacking and playing games we don't sell anymore is theft.
That's not true _at all_ about Nintendo. Why do people parrot and spread blatant misinformation 🤦🏻♂️
This is making me wanna play this game yet again.
Turns out calling out Bahamuth is still the most effective strategy just like us children have done it on out first playthrough.
Since you’ve beaten Final Fantasy X many times over and are extremely knowledgeable at it, have you thought about doing a real-time speed run for it, with or without the cut scene remover, and speaking about it as you go?
Would definitely want to see you interview Oddmog about this run, it would be cool to get some insight into some of these decisions, and your understanding of the game would definitely lead to interesting discussions.
Concerning lagoon, yes two is the best number of encounters, and three encounters loses you 40-50 seconds. Another item, getting two-unit pirahnas is best, three is bad, four is "escape".
I will never ever get sick of this game
Dude that was really great
I really hope Square Enix will make a remake of this game, it is such awesome game.
As a speedruner myself (amateur) i was wondering why he used so many grenades for Clik or whatever its name is, its cuz he uses rng manipulation.
Why the heck did he do energy ray on the fin
Was wondering why he didnt get self destruct... gui skip.
That bikanel skip felt really unnecessary, u can beat that thing with stone breath.
Really enjoyed the video! As someone who watches a lot of FF speedruns (X and VIII mostly) it was cool to hear your thoughts on the game with your knowledge base see it with fresh eyes. Thanks as always for the content, nice work!
The start of the game they are making specific actions to generate a specific world seed, if I remember correctly
i dont think its so much to generate the world seed as it is to get enough info to figure out the world seed
@@cranberrysauce61 is that what it is. It has been a while since I followed a run hahahaha.
they can't pick seeds but they have a way to figure out what their seed has.
Jecht shot, the story changes slightly by failing that minigame, and missing is the faster branch. That's all.
3rd time this has autoclaved while I'm afk from RUclips ( cooking not watching lol )
It takes me 100 hours to complete the game cause i keep playing Blitzball....forever.
This is really cool! I think I'm going to learn this strat, not to speedrun it but to smoothen my story playthroughs.
cutscene skips and serious skips obviously. but lets find out how it actually gets put together.
Watching seymour getting slapped never gets old.
One of the few FF that are actually pretty solid. This game still a masterpiece.
I would have bet money that trio of 9s for use in the run. Crazy optimized.
Ixion knew this was a speed run and didn't want to waste time drawing itself
I will never understand how Tidus get so powerful. I have the same weapon and I have been leveling up way more, but still I'm not close to the strength Tidus has in all these speedruns
You are the ultimate FFX player.
I need to know a speedrun hack for the chocobo race
I'm so happy to see FFX finally using cutscene remover for the runs (as much as i loved the cozyness of the run with all the cutscenes). Makes FFX such a cool run actually, especially with all the tech found in recent years !
Is there any in-game resource or manual that says that aeons, especially Bahamut, scale off of Yuna's strength so much? Aeons are already strong enough in a typical run, and I wager 0% of people ever put strength on her normally.
3 hours?! Bruddah uses forbidden machina for sure, yah!
I think most of the random encounter battles early on and sometimes later were actually done mostly for red spheres
XP and GIL early on isnt really worth it except in very specific circumstances(ex. cheer for the underwater sinspawn and obviously flee), but running out of red spheres means you can't power up bahamut and yuna's strength and agility (hence the random encounters in thunder planes with grenades, they dropped speed spheres)
Last comment from me 😅. The game very cleanly divides into 3 parts for general strategy. The first third is mostly about Valefor overdrives and getting overkills on bosses, the second is mostly about Rikku's mix, and the last third is largely BAHAMUT SMASH. Occasionally Tidus' strength/haste/cheer is quicker in between.
Bahamut has Break Damage Limit for free, and he's the only aeon that applies to. The way Bahamut's strength increases with Yuna's stats is astonishing. It doesn't actually take that much, but Yuna's sphere grid section has very little strength. The teleport spheres open up the entire last third of the game with lots of new possibilities, and if Bahamut didn't have BDL innately it wouldn't be a viable strategy anyway.
Other folks have already mentioned how this route is designed to manipulate the randomness to guarantee a No Encounters drop. Some people prefer to do the run without worrying about RNG manipulation so there's a different version of the cutscene remover that makes the game much more truly random. It's a seperate category on the leaderboard.
Petition to get Dansg08 to speedrun the game. Pleaaaase
It’s like the fayth didn’t need us 😭😂.
Wow. 10 to 3 with only removal of cutscenes? Yeah, FF speed runs are about 7+ hours long. 3 is wild. I would have loved to hear his commentary on what he is manipulating and why. RNG in this game must be tough for 100%.
I absolutely love your channel! I've been watching your videos for years since your Final Fantasy X 100% commentary playthrough. Final Fantasy X is one of my favourite games of all-time. I'm a writer/comic artist and the very first comic I made was a Final Fantasy X fan comic. This game brings me so much joy and nostalgia ❤
O'aka sells a weapon for Auron with Initiative during operation Mihen. The route used to give O'aka 1001 gil to reduce the cost and buy that weapon. When Mihen skip was found it meant a tradeoff of safety for speed. Getting ambushed in the Thunder Plains or Macalania can kill the run. This is why manipulating the randomness by forcing encounters at certain times is all the more important.
I really appreciate that you not only watched a speedrun that someone gave you permission to, but also that credited and promoted them! This is the mark of a true dude worthy of Auron telling your story
I can't believe after all the remasters there didn't even think of a way to skip the cutscenes
I think you are correct about Rikku. Keeping her HP at 360 means she can get a full overdrive after taking only 1,200 damage.
I don’t know if you say anything further on into the video. But I know if you track everything that affects the RNG counter. You can perfectly randomise the ghost and it’s specific armour drop 👌🏼
around 5:00 you said the critical hits are randomised. Not anymore. The RNG has been worked out. In the first scene of the game the damage numbers tell the player exactly which RNG seed they're on and they know when critical hits are going to happen, when random battles will happen, when rare steals will happen etc (as long as they stick to the speedrun)
There is a mighty possibilty for me to play this game today.
Amazing video, going to enjoy this! Thanks
Great commentary and fun to see, like you said with the CSR it's a different type of game. I was very impressed by the ingenuity of it all but once the Bahamat abuse began it was a bit boring. For my personal taste a speedrun without the aeon abuse would be more appealing, but impressive nonetheless
I don't usually watch speed runners, but it was very interesting to watch how exactly he optimized everything to accomplish this.
Do you think it’s possible to create a petition for Square Enix to create a patch for PS4/PS5 that allows cutscene skips?
Ffx seems like a game that would be no fun to speedrun, but I can tell from the game play this speedrunner knows what they're doing in the ffx universe so I don't judge
Just watching the first 10 mins. Im assuming the granade rare steals are rng manipulations. Maybe that could be why he is defending also, if not just turn order
Could you possibly do a discussion video with Oddmog, about the things you commented on in this video. Both of you could learn things to use in your own runs ^..^
The kills in kilika and lagoon are mainly in service of getting power, speed and mana spheres - AP is also handy too but the spheres are a limiting factor in the run.
Great thing about speedrun ing is even if you never do it yourself, you'll almost always use or try to use tactics you've seen in your casual playthroughs.
This is why I love to watch speedruns at SGDS or AGDQ. We can see a really high level in live and there are commentaries to explain what is happening. Highly entertaining !
i think it would have awesome to add oddmog to a call to answer some of the small questions would have been amazing! Great Job!
Damn i remember when this run was like 10 hours long and the biggest glitch was skipping the arrival cutscenes in macalania temple, occasionally causing a sound bug
8:30 I wonder if it's optimal to potion since the menu had to be opened anyway for the aeon animations, because potion is always in the first item slot and button mash can be quicker than the 1 second it takes for the sphere animation.
The old speedrun route used rikkus mix and trio of 9999 for every boss after calm lands but beating the sht out of those bosses out with summons is so much cooler