Bourbons that are not good anymore?
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The man lives on microwaved Lean Cuisine, and yet I still trust his palate? Does that say more about me or Trenton? I’m so confused.
Enough with them negative waves. Yeah, Trenton needs to go back to the Chick-fil-a
both.
Greatest whiskey tube comment of all time. 👏
The Bardstown comment is spot on. It’s good but not at a 150 dollar a pop transaction. Also, I’ll add that the 2XO series is overpriced for being good but not that special. On the flip side, Sagamore & Redwood Empire can continue to take all my money with their releases.😊
Sagamore, Redwood, and Westward are basically all I am buying these days.
Old Forester 1920 is still my favorite Bourbon of all time
Just got the OF 1920 for the 1st time a cpl weeks ago. At 1 of the local big chain grocery stores they have it for $47.19 + tax & all the other whiskey rows are less (not 1924).. Anyway, have you noticed any change in the whiskey over the years?
@motohead077 I haven't but others have. I mean if there is a change it's not a massive one. They have a new master distiller and his palate might be a lil different. But it's still sooooo good lol
I get excited when I can afford Knob Creek, but I enjoy the hell outta watching you guys try all these bourbons and ryes that I can only dream of. I love how down to earth and relatable you guys are. No pretentious bovine scatology from you two! Keep it up!
Knob is imo very consistently solid bourbon. It always tastes good to me!
Evan Williams Black is some good stuff for me.
Seems like distilleries put out a great product to create demand, let the shelfs dry up and dump alot of mediocre product at a high price.
That’s probably true for modern distilleries trying to squeak into the industry. But for established ones, especially scotch distilleries, hard to imagine that, since they have so long a history and the product takes so long to mature.
I think a better way to look at it is that these products are in high demand and have a long timeline to production. 5 or 7yrs ago the stuff they blended into stadard shelfers probably had much higher age juice in them. As demand has sykrocketed the older stuff has been drank up. Older stuff also now can command a huge premium.
That happens in the domestic wine market.
The old barrels are emptying out and we need to wake decades to determine if the new will hit the same. As large distilleries run out of old stock they have to source as they wait for new aged barrels and flavor drift occurs. It's just the way it is.
The 1920 is a prime example of that
1920 was the first bourbon I bought that made me start really seeking out bourbons to try. Lately it hasn't been hitting the mark for me either.
Dang 1920 has always been a go to for me.
I recently saw a bottle of Weller full proof for $400 and for that price they can keep it. I don't comment often but I love your content, thanks for time and effort.
I bounce around to all my bottles so much it's really hard to get tired of anything that I have
Trent,
I purchased a label off of Etsy to customize an Old Forester bottle. This guy makes a replica to read “1915”. Then do a 50/50 blend of 1910 and 1920.
This is a good go to when I’m in the mood for O. F.
This bottle is a cool conversation starter for people who know Old Forester products.
Angle’ and Dana So-Cal
I can not argue with any of the choices you’ve made for this episode. You guys are really relatable, thank you.
I just started my Whiskey journey this year. Found your channel this week, and it's perfect. Much love from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
I still love Old Forrester 1920 as much as ever.
Completely agree on the 1920. When my 1st and only bottle of it was gone it was eventually replaced by a 1910. What hurts 1920 is it's price point - spend $15 less and get Rare Breed or spend $10 and get ECBP, both of which I enjoy more.
My thoughts exactly.
It's $50 here... With a $6 off coupon right now... So $44... actually cheaper than Rare Breed... But I still prefer Rare Breed.
The Mid Winters is my favorite find in the hunt every year!
MSRP is $124.99 for MWND. I just bought several bottles in UT last week
Trent I’m with you a 100% on the 1920! My first pour of my bottle was excellent. I got all of the banana nut muffin notes on the nose and palate. The next three pours were more tame and then it completely lost all the flavor and just became hot. After like 7 pours trying to give it another shot I ended up giving the bottle to a friend. Thanks again for all the great content! Cheers 🥃
Had a similar experience too with 1920. First 3 drinks were amazing then it just kept losing flavor. I thought it was just me
My theory on this is that most of the whisky row series is "rapid aged." They're probably relying too heavily on their warehouse heat cycling. We can't rush the aging process. In fact, we need to do the opposite for excellent whiskey. We need to figure out how to slow down the process. A traditionally aged Old Forester that is 8 years+ would be a very different animal from the 1920.
Totally agree on the 1920. It's pricey here in Nashville and to me not worth the cost.
Yea, last 2 bottles of 1920 have disappointed for sure. I’ll even add how JDSB BP has started to disappoint too. Used to be one of the biggest values around IMO
That Macallan 18 is one of the best Macallans ever made. The bottle I have is wonderful ! The drawback is it is over $400 not worth that. I bought mine when it was $189. They rely on the name to justify the price. I love that 1920, good stuff.
Discovery #8 #9 I agree, they were not like the #3.
I put Knob Creek 9 Single Barrel Reserve vs Old Forester 1920 because of proof and price, and did it 3 days in a row and each day I was really surprised how much 1920 was unable to even come close for me.
And finished bourbon is...nah, I'm not going to get into it. For me, I don't even care for Old Forester 1910 or Woodford Reserve Double Oaked, anymore.
Great video idea! Enjoyed it!
I just bought my first bottle of 1920 about a week ago and I absolutely loved it. Now I’ve finished 3 bottles of 1910, and will always love this one. And my Rare breed also absolutely favorite
I find that drinking any one proof range or particular bottle over time changes my impression of it but, after taking a break, I find that I enjoy it again. I try to vary both in proof and type to keep things fresh.
This is one reason why I like to take a break from whiskey every so often. I find that flavors come back to me after that break.
@@kobaltics Yes, there is an old saying that variety is the spice of life and that definitely seems to apply here and in many other areas. Variety keeps things fresh.
Totally on board with the 1910/1920 arguments. I tried to love the 1920, but in the end, it's not a bottle I'll back up. I do really like the 1910 though. That already made my day, then hearing my opinions on Weller coming from Trent was an added bonus.
Hi Guys. I have very good memories that go along with 1920 ... related to a camping trip and family around the campfire. I don't drink it often however, I can't help but enjoy it when I do.
Totally agree on Amburana finishes. There are few distinguishable differences whether its a rye or bourbon base. It's the one flavor note you will predominantly, making it a "one trick" pony.
To show were im at in my whiskey journey I just bought my first old forester 1920 im about halfway, i just finished my first Eagle Rare, Four Roses Single barrel, and Weller reserve. Im just starting but getting into it thanks you guys and other creators are motivational kinda like a scavenger hunt for adults.
Favorite quote from today’s episode. Kurt saying “I’m not going to Guinea pig’m anymore “. Great video My 2 are Four Roses SB and Early Times Bib. They used to be in my so called everyday sipper but not so much now. Maybe just burned out so in a couple of months they may be come back of the year.
Curious given early times is $22 locally for me, what did you end up replacing it with?
@@francescob3574 Green River bourbon or Bardstown Origin bourbon or 1792 Bib. I know these are more pricey but give me flavors that hit my palate better. Cheers
@@RJR2222 thanks I’ll give these a try. Have a blessed day!
Four Roses Small Batch and Early Times BiB are my favorites as well. Eagle Rare or Woodford Double Oaked hit the spot as of lately.
For me, it’s Heaven Hill fatigue. Henry McKenna and Elijah Craig & Larceny barrel proofs have been staples on my shelf until a month or so ago, when I started just letting them go empty and not replacing them. With scotch and rum, I also only buy bottles that have no added color. Non chill filtered is preferred, but not a deal breaker.
You guys are missing out on the 11’s! Bardstown Disco 11 and Midwinter Night’s Dram 11 are excellent and a return to form for both those series.
Sagamore Spirits Port Finished Rye is better than HW MSND Act 11 at half the price. I do think Act 11 is back on profile after a couple years off.
My, recently purchased, bottle of 1920 is wonderful.
The jack old number seven was my go to for years. Now I can’t even stomach it. Thanks guys for all you do
Now I have a question about the Old Forester 1920. I think I know why some are saying it has gotten worse over time. I have 2 bottles of it…one is an older batch with the “Prohibition” label printed on an angle. I also have a pint of 1920, that I got from a gift set of different pints, and the label is straight. I have heard from some of my bourbon customers that the straight label 1920’s isn’t the same as the angled ones. Meaning they changed the formula in some way. Now I haven’t tried to see for myself but I think that may be the issue here.
Old label was so much better.
I still have never had the OF 1920. I do enjoy the 1910 so always stuck with that. Recently I have been really impressed with and enjoying Wilderness Trail Wheated and the Peerless Sib. Big fan of your videos. Cheers!
Over the past 3 years, watching your podcasts and others I have collected about 60 bourbon varieties. I agree that our tastes will change so I have found myself switching between a wide range of bourbons, and having a great experience. Some bourbons I originally had a blah experience with last year I now enjoy a bit! Thanks again and happy thanksgiving!
Totally agree on 1920, what happened. Two years ago it was unbelievable and now not worth it. Did my palette change or the whiskey.
I definitely agree with the amburana finishes. As I think I've commented before, I have a love-hate relationship with them. I love the initial Cinnamon Toast Crunch hit, but then it seems to stay with me all day, in my nose and on my palette. So I drink them very sparingly. Also agree with the OF 1920, which I always called one of my favorite. I still love it, but I also find myself reaching for the 1910 more often, as I love the double oak sweetness. Super interesting topic, guys.
100% agree on the Amburana. I have enough to last. I'd recommend using them in cocktails, especially for the fall. The cinnamon is nice in an old fashioned or mix with apple brandy.
Hard to agree on the 1920. It certainly has evolved overtime, but I still think it’s one of the best values that’s always available. It’s also the bottle that got me into bourbon 😉.
Discovery 11 is fantastic! The 13 year Kentucky Bourbon is actually from Wild Turkey, the other Kentucky Bourbon in the mix is from Jim Beam!
How could Trenton do Weller Full Proof like that 😂 one of my all time favorites!
could be because it was a store pick
I’ve seen that it does pretty well in single blinds (people know what bottles are in the flight, but not which is which) and often significantly worse when people have no idea what the bottles are. I think it’s good, but I think it’s built up to more than it is, and people WANT to love it too! I am totally biased though in that I think wheaters are at a disadvantage just from not being as “complex,” and a lot of my friends have similar taste to me, so take all that with a grain of salt!
I was at old forester earlier this year and asked some folks there about how they are handling the bourbon explosion since there are empty shelves of their products, at least where I am. They said they are struggling and way underestimated the demand for their whiskey row series. Makes sense that the 1920 would suffer. Not saying they are letting their quality take a hit for production, but it wouldn't surprise me. They didn't even have 1870 or 1910 at the store there. Unreal.
I was there in August. Great distillery tour! Had some birthday bourbon. Very good, but not outstanding over other Old Forester products.
McCallan 12 year is smooooth and well under $100 in my area (Minneapolis/St. Paul MN).😊
Did the rickhouse tour at Bardstown on Sunday. Three pours straight from the barrel…a wheaten, a low rye and a rye. All were wonderful, but the rye was by far my favorite.
Also had the origin rye at a bar. Great for $60 bottle.
Also on my visit: Nulu extra anejo agave and a Peerless single barrel.
I recently tried the 1910 and loved it. I was going to try the 1920 next but thinking maybe I'll just get another 1910. Thanks for sharing.
I think some collections have priced themselves out of being a worthwhile buy also. Good video guys!
I’ve never been able to get on the 1920 train personally, just something about it.
"Familiarity breeds contempt" perhaps is the lesson here. I've always preferred 1910 over 1920 but maybe I have to switch the two myself!
I bought 1920 when it first came out, and it was one of the best bottles I've ever had. I have an unopened backup of that bottle. I recently decided to try a new bottle of 1920. It is not the same at all. Completely agree, 1910 has taken the crown from 1920, with the current production. You kind of wonder if OF decided some of those better 1920 barrels were too good to not use elsewhere at a higher price in their lineup.
Perhaps, they had less honey barrels to use for 1920 when they released the barrel strength bourbon. From what I hear, many of those picks are not notch.
I was able to go to a whiskey event this past weekend and finally was able to try the RD One bottles. We haven't been able to get it in Texas. The French Oaked bottle was my favorite, but i was also excited to try the Amburana, since i hadn't had it and have been hearing about the hype. It was cool and different, but probably not a go to on my shelf.
As a Scotch guy I am glad you threw The Macallan in there...so many better options for far less money.
Have you thought about doing a Thanksgiving/Christmas gift guide if you’re going somewhere for meal? Whiskeys that might be nice to bring along.
Yes! This would be great! And add your favorite recipes for premade cocktails that I can bring to share.
I mean you gotta have a liquid turkey to go with the cooked turkey right?
I'm taking the dessert, lil Knob Creek Smoked Maple for a sweet snack while we watch turkey day football. :P
Would love to see a tour of the whole collection!
Thank you!! 1910 is the best old Forrester on the market, that is readily available at every liquor store
I Absolutley Love you guys. Keep doin what you are doing.
I would commemt on every video but i watch you for hours on end on my Firestick RUclips app and it doesn't allow me to comment. Blind Fridays are for sure my favorite videos. It's so refreshing to watch the two of you enjoy what you are doing. Currently one of my "Daily Dri kers" that im in love with is Whistle Pig Piggy Back 6yr 100 proof. Ive been hoping for over a year to see you review it. Even if you hate it id love to hear your thoughts. Keep up the good work guys!
Mwnd is one I always have around Christmas. It’s a banger, and you can’t replace it in my book. So hate that choice.
That MWND act 11 is fantastic!!
10:07 - bless your heart you sweet, sweet boy.
What a great idea for a show today ! Really enjoyed it.
Have to agree on the OF1920, It's been a staple, but I find myself looking more at the 1910, and some 4 Roses SB. Also have to agree on the Origin Series for Bardstown, some of the best new releases last year. I am a huge fan of the Rye, really tasty!
i used to think Basil Hayden was one of the best but haven't enjoyed the pours so much from that bottle anymore as much.
A true beginner’s bourbon. As your palate develops, higher proof bourbon is more desirable
This was interesting!! Its funny how our palates change, especially as we get more "mature"!!! I guess it works the same way with bourbon!!! CHEERS and Happy Thanksgiving!!!
I love saving the Rare Breed, Old Forester 1897, 1920, and Michter's Rye for special occasions. But lately I've been enjoying Evan Williams (black label & BiB - poor man's Weller's special reserve), Benchmark Bib (drinks like Buffalo trace), Sagamore and Elijah Craig Rye quite a bit. I love Old Forester Rye also, but if I drink too much Old Forester I eventually get flavor fatigue of the Banana flavors.
On the OF1920 observation, I very much agree. The new juice new label just doesn’t have enough depth to it. I still seek out old label 1897s and can typically get them for a song. They run circles around the new stuff and 100 proof ain’t that bad at all. Another new favorite is the Longhorn Steakhouse versions of the Knob Creek 9. Tasty as they get!
This is amazing. I was cooking outside today a dressing for Thanksgiving and I pulled out OF1920 and OF1910 to sip on while cooking. I preferred the 1910.
I’d recommend trying the MWND act 11 again. My first pour I didn’t like the back half of the palate. But few days later for whatever reason that was gone and i like it a lot more now. Definitely better then Act 10
You nailed a few of those guys. I like 1920, but when I'm home relaxing, I don't need the challenge it presents. The 1910 is a little friendlier, and I really like the double oak component of the profile. With respect to the RD1, I was initially impressed and pleased with the cinnamon. About halfway through the bottle I decided it might be an interesting change of pace option from time to time, but its not a beverage I would put in the regular rotation. I concluded I prefer a more traditional bourbon flavor. As for the Macallan 18, suggest you try Aberlour 18. Its a really nice Highland that is much more affordable.
Highland Park 18 is also a good island malt to try.
agreed on 1920. Loved it for the first month and now it’s just straight up pepper and Kentucky hug
I can see what you are saying about MacCallan, but one of my best friends just gave me a nice pour of MacCallan 25. Wow. That was really elegant.
I still love that 1920.
I’m taking a break from these , McKenna BIB & Weller CYPB and replacing them with Ben Holiday and Weller 12yr.
You all know that you can always add a little water to the higher-proof whiskey. I will always lean toward a high-proof whiskey then add water (with a dropper) until the flavors and alcohol burn are to my liking. It seems like very few of these whiskey channels talk about that when they are tasting high-proof stuff.
Weller Full Proof may be the purchase I made that I regretted most. But I paid $90 for mine, and it was the first release of it. I may not have been so regretful at $35 lol. But I agree I'd reach for 107 over it.
I don't like Rare Breed or 1910 and I love 1920. All my bottles are recent. It's possible palettes change over time as opposed to these bottles.
I still feel the Old Forrester 1920 should be bought up as if it is an allocated bottle. It's truly a hammer.
There was a rumor several yrs ago that 1920 was on its way to allocated alley. I bought up and luckily still have 8 bottles if old stock in the vault
@@boydmasonlake1995 Brown-Forman has now come up with the 1924, so there still trying to create some additional allocated whiskey.
Howdy folks.. and the proof thing is why I like to start with Weller, Buff Trace, Eagle Rare, lower proof and smooth. Then step it up to WT 101, then another step to Jack SBBP, Wild Turkey Rare Breed…etc…. Just my thang but it works! Totally agree on 1920 n Mid Dream! Thanks n Happy Thanksgiving! Wasn’t long ago u passed 100,000.. now look at ya! 🦃 ❤
Recently Ihave gone back to bottles that I bought and tried that were ok at the time and now taste really good. I know that tastes change but is "opening up" over time that common?
Fairly spot on with my opinions… def unpopular opinion OWA over WFP… I would say any Weller with the exception of WLW of course
Agree across the board for me. I just picked up the new High West MWND and I think it’s my last one. Really good stuff but not for the race and price.
Coming from and being mostly a Scotch drinker, I’m a huge fan of wine finished/finished whiskies. The Sagamores are stellar. Another I’d put in my “I’m not reaching for” pile is the Joseph Magnus Cigar Blends. Quality just doesn’t match the asking price, imo. Same with the later Bardstown bottles, especially with all the TN juice. Chateau #2 is a good example.
Cheers, Fellas.
The recurring theme from a lot of these is that they aren't worth what the price is now. I see that from several Bourbon content providers, and that's a problem for most of us. I'm hoping the market will settle down a bit, but the secondary market that seems driven by those folks looking for unicorns has been driving the retail up. That's not my league, I'm not playing at those prices.
You're both always off your rocker, but I can appreciate the list. The problem right now with bourbon is there are unicorns, decent bottles, and crap. And they're all msrp around $90. So anything that can keep me from wasting money is great.
My first bottle, when I decided to delve into bourbon, was old label 1920 and I have never really cared for it. I agree about Amburana, I only have one, Starlight Cigar Blend and it's pretty much a one note wonder, and it's not a note I'm loving. Last Amburana for me.
Wow...Midwinter is my all time favorite whiskey...but I also rarely drink it bc it's basically impossible to get in my area so I'm babysitting my bottle of Act 10...I also love Weller full proof and OF 1920 though lol but none of those I drink on a regular basis. My main sippers are OF 1910, Heaven Hill Bib, and WT 101 lol
agree 100% on the 1920, midwinter, and weller full proof, I have tried all the weller and 107 is my #1. A bottle I will avoid is Willet purple top, the most expensive bottle I regret buying, they are inconsistent, and they change a lot after being opened.
The first bottles for me that come to mind are Angels Envy, and Makers 46 Cask strength. Both solid bottles, but I’ve moved on. Cheers to you gentlemen. 🦉🥃 Thanks for the video.
Weller Full Proof depends on the store (I have 7 and have never had a non-store pick) Most are great, some stores really have "meh" picks - I had one store pick that was so meh, I had to blend with Special Reserve to make it decent. Find a store that can actually pick, and one of the best 55 - 70 you can spend
I prefer the 1910 myself! Although my present bottle is tasting oakier and tannic as the level in the bottle receded.
you know my wife and i tried a sample of Weller full proof along with a Nashville barrel proof and a Old Carter 14 year the other day and the Weller fell to the bottom of the three . Go figure .Great work guys by the way the Nashville Barrell proof took top pick but it is like 100 bucks i believe .
I think some of these price hikes we are seeing is do to the insane high prices on secondary and the museum stores. Maybe Distilleries figure if people are willing to pay these high prices why should some flipper be the ones making all the money and not the people who actually put it in the bottle.
Totally agree on the Weller - it’s definitely good, but I would only ever buy it out of FOMO. If it was a regular shelf product, I would walk past it every time. There are just other bourbons I enjoy better, even at its MSRP
Ooooh Trent’s last bottle is one that I positively love. But I get it. I LOVED Blue Note JJW but after a while I grew out of that too.
Agree on Bardstown. I can’t find it here in CT so have picked up a number of them while visiting my parents in KY. I have a couple Discovery series and just picked up two of the collaboration ones. None are horrible (though the Goose Island I’m not a fan of) but none are worth what they cost. I did grab an Origin and agree, it was very good and at a reasonable price.
I’ve only had Weller Full Proof once but I was really unimpressed with it.
Knocking on my favorite guy's (ol Forrester's prohibition). I do agree on switching on the proof level. I do like sipping on ancient age and old Forrester's 86 proof for a change. Another awesome video guys!
Great topic. I’m 100% over amburana finish. Cheers guys!
Barrel bourbon has an amburana finish that’s amazing. Holds its bourbon properties better than any other amburana finish I’ve had
Totally agree on Weller FP.... However, store picks are really good.
Did a blind tasting of whiskey row series a few years back and 1910 was best of breed. Ive had a fresh bottle on my shelf ever since. Not a bottle i reach for every time, but every time i do i love it. Also makes the best old fashioned I've ever had. All that to say, i agree drop the 1920 in favor of 1910
On the amburana finished; i agree absolutely overpowering in most examples. Game changer for me on amburana is barrell craft. So good, so well balanced. Its hard to find and im looking for backups
The Macallan has been rated the finest single malt scotch for decades. I prefer the 12 yr old but I and two friends had done a blind taste test of 8 scotch whiskeys. The Macallan 12 was the clear winner. But hey, it’s all personal taste like anything else. Unless one does possess a discerning palate. We do. But thanks for your input. I enjoy the show and appreciate your efforts.
Kurt! I understand the need to move away from the Bardstown Discovery series, especially because of the price, but you HAVE to go scoop up #11 and do a review. It's fantastic, and the rumor is, the 13 year old whiskey in the blend is Wild Turkey.
Oh man. Macallan 18 is one of my favorites. Granted I don't get to keep it on hand, haha.
I agree, I think it is a different taste to their profile. I give sips to anyone and they like it
Weller Full Proof is my favorite bottle easily, and beats 107 ever single time for me.
Definitely agree with the 1920, I picked it up after all of the whiskey tubers saying it's one of the best bangs for the buck, and it just wasn't that good to me. "Peppery" was a great descriptor... for me it wasn't just spicy, but it was just a rough drink for me. Tho I'm not a fan of 1910 either, it's just all Bananas to me an for the price there are others I prefer. Figured I was just an outlier with respect to OF. But I LOVE the 100, one of my favorite daily pours.