I have noticed on multiple occasions that the biggest critics are not the b12 mockingbirds that think themselves vultures, but legacy media who might be concerned that Apple (who just recently had more cash on hand than the government) will have more staying power than struggling legacy media. Finebaum, Dodds, etc. You know, job protection.
Remembering when I lived in the Bay Area, before Stanford had their good run late aughts-mid teens. They had more animosity (and history, sometimes successful) with USC than most. Because of that, I was thoroughly shocked when Stanford and Cal were placed in the North. I’d have bet money they’d be placed in the South. This makes me wonder if devaluing that rivalry became part of why the Pac has taken a hit.
It seems incredibly unlikely PAC would be entirely gone, it's status as an autonomy 5 can still be valuable to G5 schools even if most members left. Though there does seam possible paths to being widely considered the worst of P5, or more remote chance no longer considered a power conference.
There is NO SUCH THING as an AUTONOMY 5 anymore. That distinction DIED with the Playoff Expansion that begins THIS SEASON. Now the Top 6 Ranked Champions of ANY SIX Conferences get into the Playoffs. If the Top SIX RANKED Conference Champions are the Champs of the MAC, WAC, MWC, C-USA, Sunbelt, and SEC then these are 6 pf the Playoff teams. Now would THAT happen. NO. But the MWC and C-USA Champs could BOTH get Ranked Higher than the PAC Champs and the ACC, SEC, BIG and XII Champs could ALSO be ranked higher than the PAC Champs and the PAC Champ can get left out.
Three questions: 1) How would the PAC survive until 2026, if there's no media rights deal coming and the current one expires in 2024? 2) Why on earth would the PAC sign a deal that expires in two years, when pretty much every other conference is locked in through the end of the decade? 3) How afraid are the employers of Paul Finebaum and Dennis Dodd, with a major streaming company about to jump into live sports broadcasting (possibly along with another new player in The CW/Scripps)? There's an agenda here. And it's not just the Big XII pushing it.
@@SnowmanTF2 I asked about the employers, not the employees. You think Disney wants to lose the PAC 12 After Dark? You think all the "big boys" are thrilled at the idea of losing 2-3 of college football's most valuable brands? You think the major networks are good with losing essentially every major market on the west coast, except for Los Angeles, every Saturday of the college football season? The employers are the agenda-setters in MSM. Corporate leadership, editorial boards and editors...they're the ones that create/push narratives (not individual reporters). The job of MSM employees is to put out content that supports the narratives their bosses want to promote.
@user-pl1hs9nb4g The B1G isn't adding Oregon and Washington until 2030, it appears. And the Big 13 (?) isn't likely to get the 4 corners, either, in spite of the narrative telling you otherwise.
If the UW/UO won't sign a 5 year contract for the number they come up with, they have to do something. A one to three year contract might give them another year or two to figure out what's up. It also gives UW/UO a few years to lobby the B1G for an invite. It gives the B1G a couple years to get used to USC/UCLA
Utah and San Diego State could end up having a good rivalry. Not great, but good. Old WAC/Mountain West members, we've had some great games against each other, and SDSU beat Utah in 2021. It will be nice to get back to playing against Utah again.
West Coast schools, in order to keep recruiting up, only really need exposure in CA, TX, WA, AZ, OR and CO. As long as those 6 states see them, recruiting will be fine.
Exposure is a factor, sure. And it's been a problem for the PAC. It remains to be seen how that might be impacted by the next media deal. Colorado and Arizona also care about academics and research money, probably more than exposure for their football teams. It helps to associate with high-level institutions that get tons of money for research: Colorado and Arizona are better off, on that front, as members of the PAC than they would be as members of the Big XII.
If Oregon and Washington get a free out anytime they want to take it. That should upset the cart a little for the rest . This media deal may be not what the PAC wants. I expect Colorado and Arizona to move to the Big 12
@@johncoy5912 why would two of the least popular programs leave to a conference they don’t want to go to? Especially since both have already said no thanks.
I thought UO and UW was referred to as Hate Week Game, always a fun one to watch as a Pac Fan. Civil War is a great bloodlust driven contest. How can you not like a game called the Civil War? Go Beavs!!!! Ready to watch the Beavs tail slap some Ducks & Dawgs again this year.
To be fair, as a Washington guy, I don't WANT to go to the B1G as much as I just think we have to. But if we can stay in the Pac and get enough money to stay nationally relevant to coaches and recruits, especially with the coming playoff format, I'd much rather be the Big Dawg of the New Pac than go fight for 5th place in the B1G.
As a Dawg myself I totally agree. Personally I would much rather the Pac merge with the big10 than just a couple teams go. You could turn the rose bowl into the combined conference championship game beginning of December and keep that tradition going though changed with the times.
Well would it be ok if Utah stayed in the conference anyway? It could be a conference of one, and for once no one could argue that they aren’t superior.
I like what Bud is talking abut with his rivalry idea. The SEC has been doing it with rivals, not the final game rivals, but with "border' rivals for many years. The Auburn-Georgia, Tennessee-Alabama, Georgia-Florida, LSU-Alabama rivalries each have their set weekends when they happen. But the SEC's new scheduling will interrupt these games to two years on and two years off. And now Alabama and Georgia will have to play two years on and two years off. I think the SEC will eventually change its mind about the 8 game schedule because it messes up the rivalries that would be saved with a 9 game schedule. But it would be nice if certain Pac 12 schools set up similar rivalry games like Oregon-Washington, WSU-OSU, Cal-Colorado, Utah-SDSU, when they join, etc. Each game with its permanent dedicated weekend. Scheduling some games in this way would build new traditions.
Read somewhere that a future PAC-12 made up of Oregon State, Washington State, and ex-G5 schools would still make more money than a Mountain West with Oregon State and Washington State added
Except that P5 status is an NCAA bylaws thing. And the Big XII is still chugging along, after replacing SIX of its top schools with G5/Independent programs.
The new four get $18M/year that is paid by the old schools, no automatic increase in the old contract. The four get the full $31.7M in the new contract.
Good episode this morning. Paul Finebaum was asked about by 2026. 2026 wasn't his choice; it was a response to a question. I still believe the biggest problem with the delay in the media rights is George has been sharing projections (from the experts he hired) with the presidents instead of the actual numbers being offered. The reason there has been no word is because the numbers being offered by broadcasters, even in the case of streaming only, are dire for the conference's survival. I think what Tim Fitzgerald (GoPowercat) jokingly forecasted a few months ago is what is actually taking place now: a giant game of chicken. George knows the numbers are putrid so he's hoping schools start jumping before he has to share the number so he can blame the demise of the PAC-12 on them. In the meanwhile, CU and Arizona (the likely jumpers) are waiting for the numbers to be released so they don't take the blame. It boils down to who has to make a move first. I really hope the PAC-12 survives. Rivalries are one of the great things about football, and killing these rivalries with super-duper-conferences (we already have superconferences) will be bad for ratings. Admittedly, expansion occasionally starts a new rivalry, such as what might be developing between Iowa State and UCF. (Civil Cornflict. It's a thing.) As for the Peacock game, I see UW-MSU as the first of trial balloons in the streaming space just to see how many subscriptions it adds. Test balloons like this game will tell how dependable streaming might be for the next round of contracts. (I have streaming (ESPN+) so I can watch my beloved Citronauts.)
Why would you believe Kliavkoff has been sharing projections with presidents instead of actual numbers? The implication here is that the man (who was a high level executive with both MGM and Hulu prior to becoming PAC 12 Commissioner) understands neither the basics of business nor ethics. You also seem confident that the current offers are terrible, and PAC 12 presidents have no idea as to what they are. Meanwhile, the actual PAC 12 presidents are saying things like the projections are "fairly flat" and that the conference will beat the Big XII's number (per school per year). So...are these people with PhDs, who are responsible to the public and who manage billion-dollar annual budgets, ignorant fools or liars or a combination of the two?
@@ericlammerman2777 Actually, the very same WSU president who said he expects the numbers to be flat is the same one who said he's seen the projections. Other commenting presidents have been clear they haven't seen numbers, only projections. And the current offers are terrible, because if they weren't, they'd be signed by now so the PAC could end this PR nightmare. And no, I don't assume anyone who has worked as a TV exec has ethics, particularly in sports. If there is one thing the last few years have shown us, greed trumps ethics in this field.
If you look at the history of college football conferences, they expand during good economic times and split in hard times. Once they get to 16 members or above, there is pressure for the top 8 teams to forge a new conference. The Southern Conference did this twice - as the SEC and ACC left from them. The SWC collapsed to form the Big 12. The WAC birthed the MWC. How long until the top dogs in the SEC and Big 10 decide to leave the Vandy and Indianas behind?
The B1G is Ohio State, Michigan & Penn State. The SEC is Georgia, Alabama & LSU. They drop off a cliff after that. Last year 1-8 ISU beat 5-4 western division champion runner-up Iowa in Iowa City.
They will NEVER have Georgia/Balmma rivalry game....that risks the best 2 programs beating each other on a yearly basis.....the want to have as many undefeated teams during the year to proclaim SEC superiority
LOL, he's not. He predicted the death of the B12 also once OU/TX announced their departure. He also said that no one would be watching the B12 Championship game due to lack of interest (9.41 Million viewers) and he also predicted that Mich. would blow out TCU and that TCU's weak schedule would be exposed. So no, he is not a B12 fan and B12 fans do NOT like him. LOL.
IIRC, some people roasted George Kliavkoff for suggesting that the "Coach Prime effect" could add value to the conference's media rights. What have we seen since then? A (rapidly) sold out spring game and three straight appearances on national television to start next season. These look like clear indicators that Deion Sanders does, indeed, draw eyeballs...and we know drawing eyeballs equals $ in media rights. So, now that we've seen hard evidence of the Coach Prime effect...how much ACTUAL value might potential media partners assign to a resurgent Colorado brand?
The problem is, how long can the conference convince their media partners that Coach Prime will be around? I think everyone assumes he's only there for how long his kids are. Is that long enough to get extra money out of the media deal?
@@richardmehlhaf5402 That's a take. I would probably agree that Colorado won't be much of a factor in the PAC championship race, or even that they will make a bowl game this season; but I don't think people will lose interest in Coach Prime altogether, and certainly not as he continues to bring in elite recruits and win more games with them in future seasons. The betting line on Colorado, FWIW, is 4.5 wins: I guess this means you should check in at Fan Duel, and bet the under.
@@dougrobinson6683 Does everyone assume that? If you take what Prime told Joel Klatt a couple weeks ago, he's fallen in love with the Boulder area. If the man is already wealthy, and able to build a program to compete at the highest level of college football there, why would he leave?
Stanford and Cal would likely join the Ivy League, hear me out because it would make the most sense and has always made the most sense academically and athletically, Oregon St and Washington St would go to the Mountain West
Maybe as a p5 conference. The conference hemorrhaged a lot of money and left a lot on the table. So it’s very possible that it’s gone as a p5, but gone all together probably not.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Which team are you going to continue following in the PAC 12 Diaspora? You tell me which 1 team you will continue to follow and I will tell you which conference you need to start preparing to cover when that team LEAVES a DEAD PAC 12 to join a NEW Conference.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland I thought you PAC types were supposed to CARE about EDUCATION? I knew that was BS the whole time lol
CU - Nebraska rivalry is passionate and crazy. Too bad market forces and conf realignment politics have made this traditional matchup more rare and undervalued. Since going separate ways, both programs have fallen on hard times. The nostalgia value plus the Prime Effect have conspired to generate extraordinarily high ticket prices and a Fox Noon kickoff. In the long run, these two programs belong in the same conference because the alternative isn’t pretty.
I guess some pac 8 teams think if they disband they will come over to the B1G. Why would they be wanted ??? Every team is losing it's value. Man up and quit blaming your conference commissioner.
Maybe because I was in the Southwest Conference, I don't think of it as a "long, long time ago". Then Arkansas left and realignment hasn't stopped since then.
You reference the PAC as "The Conference of Champions" and the B1G as the "biggest and best" but when is the last time either sniffed a major national championship. What is a proven fact is the SEC is the conference for championships in all the major sports (Recap 2023: Football- Georgia; Basketball-UConn; WBB-LSU; Softball-Oklahoma; Baseball-LSU/Fla. So the common denominator is 3 SEC schools + a Future SEC. What you don't see is the PAC or B1G listed. The B1G can become the biggest conference if they decide to let Washington and Oregon come to play, if. But neither can list themselves as Champions or the Best. That is reserved at this time.
You mean THE TOP of the SEC I suppose. Those teams in the Deep South that have endless amounts of money for their football budget but not so much for a basic safety net for their citizens. Yup, they’re pretty hard to beat.
I don't know how you can be down on the commish when he has not finished his deal yet. And why are they on the Pac 12 with a year to go when the Big 10 whos big deal starts this fall has started falling apart and hasn't been signed yet.
Hey Spencer, I enjoy your channel. I think the PAC-12 will have difficulties going forward. Your marquee school, USC, is gone, and they took your sem-marquee school, UCLA, with them. Oregon, and Washington, are really Johnny-come-lately‘s, as they’ve only been good since the mid-70s (Washington), and Oregon (the early 80’s), and neither has been very good in recent years. also, I don’t know how much their media markets really care about college sports. Colorado is heading back to the Big 12 it seems. Arizona seems to also be heading that way. Stanford and Berkeley are really not very attractive athletically, and Wazzu and Oregon State are in the same league as Boise State as far as athletic attractiveness. USC and UCLA are good for the Big Ten, because it gives their Midwestern fan bases a nice warm travel option in October and November when it’s cold as hell and their home states. Finally, The Big10 will be better off trying to get Virginia, North Carolina, Miami, and Georgia Tech, to make a foothold in the southeast. (They would love to get Florida State, but that school, not being an AAU school, would probably never be chosen.) I do think the Pac 12 they survive, but it will likely be The following schools making up the conference and then if future: Cal Stanford Oregon Washington Washington State Oregon State SDSU Fresno State Boise State Utah Cal Davis Colorado State All-in-all, that would be a pretty good conference.
Well as they pertained to the topics/questions of the episode, I see how you could feel that way. Every conference has headliners like that tho, that will get more attention than others
Spencer: In his postulation, Paul Finebaum, veritably an authority in sports journalism, failed to take into consideration a few things before writing an obituary for the PAC-12: First, PAC-12 schools operate with a dosage of hubris to the point that they see the encroachment into the conference by Big 10 and Big 12 with the intention to poach away their teams as both a challenge and an insult that must be resisted. Given that, the member schools are not going to be swayed away to the poaching conferences because there's big money to be had outside the PAC. If money is the overriding factor in jumping ship, USC and UCLA (for now) would have successfully lured away Oregon and Washington to the Big 10. There's just too much history and too much pride for the PAC to succumb to what is likely a temporary setback. Another issue Mister Finebaum did not consider before writing PAC-12's untimely obituary is that George Kliavkoff is likely negotiating a short-term contract for about $31M-$35M for 5 years. That will put the PAC in a comfortable position to negotiate a bigger contract in 2028. Those are some of the factors Mister Finebaum overlooked. With all of those points out of the way, I strongly believe that the reason for the conference not yet having a TV contract in place is that the networks want a long-term contract on the cheap, while Kliavkoff has other ideas, as opposed to what naysayers like Monty, Finebaum, et al are saying. Eventually, the contract negotiation will end in Kliavkoff's favor. Long live PAC-12!
What you are not considering is that ESPN and FOX don't need the PAC AT ALL. FOX has every game they need from the BIG and Big 12. ESPN has every game they need from the SEC, ACC, and Big 12. Should ESPN need any West Coast games they can show MWC and WAC games for PEANUTS. Nobody NEEDS your Inventory of games to FILL their slots to broadcast games. Kliavkoff is negotiating from a position of USELESS WEAKNESS. What you don't know is FOX and ESPN are DONE with dealing with the CLOWNS that run the PAC and are collaborating to KILL IT FOREVER so they don't have to deal with those CLOWNS anymore. Thos CLOWNS have stood in the way of EVERY SINGLE MOVE that could be made to make tons of money for FOX and ESPN (and the PAC btw) So... FOX and ESPN will tear the PAC apart and spread the schools of the PAC into THREE Conferences so that they will NEVER have enough POWER to stand in the way anymore. Finebaum KNOWS that the BIg 12 Pro Rata Clause is there to soak up the LEFTOVERS of the PAC... not to pull away the Big Dogs... but to collect the DRECK. ACC is about to expand by SIX. 3 to 5 of which are PAC teams. A FULL SHARE of what the ACC gets NOW is 3 times what the PAC will get. After expansion, it will be 4 times what the PAC is going to get. Maybe the BIG will still move, but I don't think so. Big 12 is going to LOSE ZERO to Three teams to the ACC and then grab whatever is left of the PAC.
Oh, and realistically the PAC will not fold. There is a need for a P5 conference in the West. These schools don't want to be at a competitive disadvantage traveling as far East as they'd have to in all sports. Going East is harder than traveling out West. The Western teams would have a harder time winning in all sports. And think about the Non- Football/Basketball sports. Having all those teams traveling that far for all those away games. Not good.
I love your show and watch on youtube almost every day. But I have to disagree with your conclusion that because the PAC 12 schools have had a chance to go to the Big 12 for about a year but have not gone yet, that means that they just dont have any interest in the Big 12 and no one will ever leave. That logic could be extended to the media companies. All media companies have had about a year to offer the Pac a competitive deal. So your logic would say that that means they dont WANT to offer a reasonable deal and probably never will. I dont agree with either conclusion. I still believe the Pac can get a deal worked out and I also believe that theres still a chance 2 or more Pac teams can possibly decide to leave. Just because neither has happened yet doesnt mean it will NEVER happen. Again I love your show and am a subscriber and hit the like button 95% of the time. Keep doing what you do. You're good at it!
Thank you for being an everydayer! I don't contend that P12 teams would never go, but I have actively pushed back on the notion that they're leaving before they see the media deal. I see what you're saying and I suppose their desires can change, but right now they don't WANT to be in the Big 12 or I think they would have jumped. They still could jump after seeing the media deal
So where’s the media deal? We know there is a deal. Just not good enough to satisfy those who are patiently waiting. Kliavkoff knows what is expected. Funny the whole PAC is relying on this guy to lead them to the promise land. Best thing to do is to merg the two conferences together. Create east and west divisions, and be the best #3 power 5 conference there is. But if that happens Kliavkoff would be out of a job. So to save his own ass at the sake of the whole PAC 12, he just keeps holding out, every last second praying for that miracle.
Spoken like a true locked on homer. Cal and Stanford to the B1G? Maybe if the B1G goes to more than 20 teams, much more. Any team in the PAC would go to the B1G for reduced money.
Both incredible schools, both in a huge media market. Both important factors, when it comes to future B1G expansion. Some people believe Stanford is actually on the short list, because it also has a traditional rivalry with Notre Dame.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball I got your back bro. And I'll leave flowers at your grave, they'll probably be stolen from one of the other graves but they'll be yours my friend.
4&5 star ⭐️ players will want to be on TV📺 When Oregon goes to the BIG 10 the PAC 12 is over. Watch the transfer portal next year and we’ll see what happens. The BIG 10 doesn’t to take all the blame for killing your Conference.
You can see it. We'll see whether or not you need your vision checked. How likely do you think it is that these six schools leave before there's a new media rights deal in place?
@@ericlammerman2777bro quit acting like this is some far fetched theory, if the B1G chooses to they can effectively end the PAC by taking their choice of any of the remaining valuable brands.
No one believes that GK is doing a good job at this point... his failure to communicate is staggering. PF is just a talking head for (ESPN) SEC network which is weird for someone that's never played a sport in his entire life...
F ESPN. If I'm the PAC acting in a self-interested vacuum, I go like this, in this order: 1) UConn (R1) (begin working on adding Pitt and Duke once the ACC blows) 2) USF (AAU) -Tampa 3) Tulane (AAU) -New Orleans 4) Rice (AAU) -Houston 5) SMU (R2) -Dallas 6) SDSU (R2) -San Diego The APAC16 The Atlantic to Pacific Athletic Conference. Perhaps soon to be the APAC18 or 20 [Pitt (AAU), Duke (AAU), Kansas (AAU), Hawaii (R1)].
Kansas just extended their grant of rights, so are unavailable for several years. The non ACC members are probably reducing the average payout on media deals, maybe not as bad if take partial share of revenue of currently contract currently under negotiation, so seems unlikely would add any more than deemed necessary.
They are both culturally different Universities. The fan bases are both also different. When these universities do play against each other. Utah players look up into the stands and wave at their parents and siblings. BYU players look up into the stands and wave at their wife and kids.
Dude, I'm sorry, but there's no way Oregon or Washington would go to the SEC. Doesn't matter how much money is on the table. A 10-3 Ducks team on the west coast would turn into a 6-5 team in the SEC just because of the travel alone. And let's not forget what this would do to the non-revenue generating sports. It would be unbearable for the athletes. This is why the UCLA/USC defection to the Big Ten is going to backfire. USC with its talent, reputation and NIL might get by, but a UCLA team that might otherwise be 8-5 or 9-4 in the Pac-12 will now be a 5-6 or 6-5 team in the Big Ten. They will regret it, and look for UCLA to head back west during the next realignment. Oregon is chasing national championships and playoff berths. Best way to do that is to stay in the Pac-12.
I very much want everyone in the P12 to stay put including Oregon, for a variety of reasons. I assure you I was not bringing this up with the sort of seriousness you might be thinking haha, all good
As a Utah fan, measured by teams we dislike, I might argue that we have more of a rivalry with Boise State (due largely to a chip on their shoulder) than any team in the PAC 12.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball based on the trolling billboards and rabid online hate, I’m guessing they hate BYU far more than Boise State or USC. That’s the real kind of hate those pikers could never dream of. Come back when Whit claims you’ll never beat him again or pretends your team doesn’t exist in media interviews. Then we’ll take you seriously.
Dude. What qualifies as "real?" Because Oregon and Washington are both generally considered top 20 brands, more valuable than anything in the Big XII. Some writers rate Utah pretty highly as well.
I'm on an island here, but think a lot might hinge on BTN, the most successful of the conference networks. I hope there is a buy back on the 10% they recently sold to Fox, giving them a controlling interest, because BTN could become an incubator for innovation, controlled by the schools. Unbundle it from cable, make it an app, make it affordable, don't screw it up.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball did I comment on the other show? 🤣🤣 I was too busy typing and the first one ended. I have them play back to back 💯👍🏽 Thank you Spencer 🦆
Spencer, please, if you can, don't give the UO/OSU the Prince treatment. The rivalry game in the state of Oregon is and will always be the "Civil War." Let's keep the wokeness off your show if you can. OSU and Utah could be building a bit of a rivalry, at least over the last two years. If the Beavs beat the Utes in Corvallis again this year, then theres some potential building. A true rivalry has either deep tradition or routinely sees each team win games and ideally, the game would have post-season implications. OSU gave Utah their only conference loss in '21. Last year, the Beavs throw two picks that are TDs the other way and lose their QB for the season after a hangover from the near win against USC. This year, the schedule makers and TV executives get it and put in on Friday at the end of September (30th). Will Rising be healthy by then? Who knows, but if the Beavs win and end up ranked higher than Utah at the end of the year, then we may just have a budding rivalry between the two where the home team holds serve for the last three years. OSU/WSU are cousins cut from the same cloth and don't have any real rivalry at this point.
I for one am never a fan of a conference (as we know it) ceasing to exist. College sports are almost perfect (not entirely) and radically changing them isn't my preferred approach
This idea that Finebaum is a “ longtime” college football commentator is kind of a joke. Not your bad Spence, but he’s been around at ESPN since 2013. I’ve been watching college football since 1989, really crazily by 1990-91. I remember Kirk Herbstreit as Ohio States QB, when the Buckeyes couldn’t sniff the Rose Bowl for years and years and years. Then he started on ESPN in the mid 90’s. Anyway, my point is that Finebaum is an SEC suck up lackey, who cares what he thinks, he couldn’t tackle a paper bag.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball I hear ya, I’m probably quite a bit older that you so, long time means something different to me. Chris Petersen was hired at, and Sark left, UW that year, so I remember Finebaum appearing during game day really vividly. With that said, sure, his voice reaches an audience, all because of ESPN. Prior to that I doubt anyone outta SEC country, and mostly AL, even knew who he was.
I will watch football games on Saturday. Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Oregon, Florida and sometimes Hawai'i games. Little bit messed up if on same time. Sometimes 1 game I will watch on Sunday. @drtank24
I think Finebaum will be gone by ‘26.
“4 years? Do it in 3!”
Winner!
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Apparently, many others agree! 😅
I have noticed on multiple occasions that the biggest critics are not the b12 mockingbirds that think themselves vultures, but legacy media who might be concerned that Apple (who just recently had more cash on hand than the government) will have more staying power than struggling legacy media. Finebaum, Dodds, etc. You know, job protection.
Remembering when I lived in the Bay Area, before Stanford had their good run late aughts-mid teens. They had more animosity (and history, sometimes successful) with USC than most.
Because of that, I was thoroughly shocked when Stanford and Cal were placed in the North. I’d have bet money they’d be placed in the South. This makes me wonder if devaluing that rivalry became part of why the Pac has taken a hit.
No.
U$CLA going to the B1G is why the Pac took a hit.
It seems incredibly unlikely PAC would be entirely gone, it's status as an autonomy 5 can still be valuable to G5 schools even if most members left. Though there does seam possible paths to being widely considered the worst of P5, or more remote chance no longer considered a power conference.
There is NO SUCH THING as an AUTONOMY 5 anymore.
That distinction DIED with the Playoff Expansion that begins THIS SEASON.
Now the Top 6 Ranked Champions of ANY SIX Conferences get into the Playoffs.
If the Top SIX RANKED Conference Champions are the Champs of the MAC, WAC, MWC, C-USA, Sunbelt, and SEC then these are 6 pf the Playoff teams.
Now would THAT happen. NO.
But the MWC and C-USA Champs could BOTH get Ranked Higher than the PAC Champs and the ACC, SEC, BIG and XII Champs could ALSO be ranked higher than the PAC Champs and the PAC Champ can get left out.
Three questions:
1) How would the PAC survive until 2026, if there's no media rights deal coming and the current one expires in 2024?
2) Why on earth would the PAC sign a deal that expires in two years, when pretty much every other conference is locked in through the end of the decade?
3) How afraid are the employers of Paul Finebaum and Dennis Dodd, with a major streaming company about to jump into live sports broadcasting (possibly along with another new player in The CW/Scripps)?
There's an agenda here. And it's not just the Big XII pushing it.
As always you will have 3 answers!
@@SnowmanTF2 I asked about the employers, not the employees. You think Disney wants to lose the PAC 12 After Dark? You think all the "big boys" are thrilled at the idea of losing 2-3 of college football's most valuable brands? You think the major networks are good with losing essentially every major market on the west coast, except for Los Angeles, every Saturday of the college football season?
The employers are the agenda-setters in MSM. Corporate leadership, editorial boards and editors...they're the ones that create/push narratives (not individual reporters). The job of MSM employees is to put out content that supports the narratives their bosses want to promote.
Right on Brother, Preach...
@user-pl1hs9nb4g The B1G isn't adding Oregon and Washington until 2030, it appears. And the Big 13 (?) isn't likely to get the 4 corners, either, in spite of the narrative telling you otherwise.
If the UW/UO won't sign a 5 year contract for the number they come up with, they have to do something.
A one to three year contract might give them another year or two to figure out what's up.
It also gives UW/UO a few years to lobby the B1G for an invite.
It gives the B1G a couple years to get used to USC/UCLA
Utah and San Diego State could end up having a good rivalry. Not great, but good. Old WAC/Mountain West members, we've had some great games against each other, and SDSU beat Utah in 2021. It will be nice to get back to playing against Utah again.
Exposure of games will be a driving force and I still believe that matters to Colorado and Arizona.
West Coast schools, in order to keep recruiting up, only really need exposure in CA, TX, WA, AZ, OR and CO. As long as those 6 states see them, recruiting will be fine.
Exposure is a factor, sure. And it's been a problem for the PAC. It remains to be seen how that might be impacted by the next media deal.
Colorado and Arizona also care about academics and research money, probably more than exposure for their football teams. It helps to associate with high-level institutions that get tons of money for research: Colorado and Arizona are better off, on that front, as members of the PAC than they would be as members of the Big XII.
If Oregon and Washington get a free out anytime they want to take it. That should upset the cart a little for the rest .
This media deal may be not what the PAC wants. I expect Colorado and Arizona to move to the Big 12
@@johncoy5912 why would two of the least popular programs leave to a conference they don’t want to go to? Especially since both have already said no thanks.
Who said they said no all I heard reported is they wanted to see numbers of deal first .
Boise State.....really? Once upon a time the WAC had BYU, Arizona and Arizona State.....three schools which may end up belonging to the Big 12.
Last time WAC had FBS football was during Boise's reign I believe
I’m a BYU fan but I wouldn’t knock Boise. I think they’ve more than proven they should be a P5 team.
@@RohoSombrero Athletically, I agree--even though they aren't at their peak right now
@@RohoSombreroonly in football.
BYU won a Football National Championship in the WAC
I thought UO and UW was referred to as Hate Week Game, always a fun one to watch as a Pac Fan. Civil War is a great bloodlust driven contest. How can you not like a game called the Civil War? Go Beavs!!!! Ready to watch the Beavs tail slap some Ducks & Dawgs again this year.
To be fair, as a Washington guy, I don't WANT to go to the B1G as much as I just think we have to. But if we can stay in the Pac and get enough money to stay nationally relevant to coaches and recruits, especially with the coming playoff format, I'd much rather be the Big Dawg of the New Pac than go fight for 5th place in the B1G.
As a Dawg myself I totally agree. Personally I would much rather the Pac merge with the big10 than just a couple teams go. You could turn the rose bowl into the combined conference championship game beginning of December and keep that tradition going though changed with the times.
I think that's a reasonable mindset to be in
Well would it be ok if Utah stayed in the conference anyway? It could be a conference of one, and for once no one could argue that they aren’t superior.
I like what Bud is talking abut with his rivalry idea. The SEC has been doing it with rivals, not the final game rivals, but with "border' rivals for many years. The Auburn-Georgia, Tennessee-Alabama, Georgia-Florida, LSU-Alabama rivalries each have their set weekends when they happen.
But the SEC's new scheduling will interrupt these games to two years on and two years off. And now Alabama and Georgia will have to play two years on and two years off. I think the SEC will eventually change its mind about the 8 game schedule because it messes up the rivalries that would be saved with a 9 game schedule.
But it would be nice if certain Pac 12 schools set up similar rivalry games like Oregon-Washington, WSU-OSU, Cal-Colorado, Utah-SDSU, when they join, etc. Each game with its permanent dedicated weekend. Scheduling some games in this way would build new traditions.
Highlighting rivalry games is a win for all parties involved IMO
Read somewhere that a future PAC-12 made up of Oregon State, Washington State, and ex-G5 schools would still make more money than a Mountain West with Oregon State and Washington State added
Darn I wish it was football season already
I feel like that would depend on the G5 schools that get added
It might survive , as a G5 confrence
Yup, P4/G5 (MWC dissipates)
Except that P5 status is an NCAA bylaws thing. And the Big XII is still chugging along, after replacing SIX of its top schools with G5/Independent programs.
The new four get $18M/year that is paid by the old schools, no automatic increase in the old contract. The four get the full $31.7M in the new contract.
Gotcha yeah that sounds about right
Good episode this morning. Paul Finebaum was asked about by 2026. 2026 wasn't his choice; it was a response to a question. I still believe the biggest problem with the delay in the media rights is George has been sharing projections (from the experts he hired) with the presidents instead of the actual numbers being offered. The reason there has been no word is because the numbers being offered by broadcasters, even in the case of streaming only, are dire for the conference's survival. I think what Tim Fitzgerald (GoPowercat) jokingly forecasted a few months ago is what is actually taking place now: a giant game of chicken. George knows the numbers are putrid so he's hoping schools start jumping before he has to share the number so he can blame the demise of the PAC-12 on them. In the meanwhile, CU and Arizona (the likely jumpers) are waiting for the numbers to be released so they don't take the blame. It boils down to who has to make a move first. I really hope the PAC-12 survives. Rivalries are one of the great things about football, and killing these rivalries with super-duper-conferences (we already have superconferences) will be bad for ratings. Admittedly, expansion occasionally starts a new rivalry, such as what might be developing between Iowa State and UCF. (Civil Cornflict. It's a thing.) As for the Peacock game, I see UW-MSU as the first of trial balloons in the streaming space just to see how many subscriptions it adds. Test balloons like this game will tell how dependable streaming might be for the next round of contracts. (I have streaming (ESPN+) so I can watch my beloved Citronauts.)
Why would you believe Kliavkoff has been sharing projections with presidents instead of actual numbers? The implication here is that the man (who was a high level executive with both MGM and Hulu prior to becoming PAC 12 Commissioner) understands neither the basics of business nor ethics.
You also seem confident that the current offers are terrible, and PAC 12 presidents have no idea as to what they are. Meanwhile, the actual PAC 12 presidents are saying things like the projections are "fairly flat" and that the conference will beat the Big XII's number (per school per year). So...are these people with PhDs, who are responsible to the public and who manage billion-dollar annual budgets, ignorant fools or liars or a combination of the two?
@@ericlammerman2777 Actually, the very same WSU president who said he expects the numbers to be flat is the same one who said he's seen the projections. Other commenting presidents have been clear they haven't seen numbers, only projections. And the current offers are terrible, because if they weren't, they'd be signed by now so the PAC could end this PR nightmare. And no, I don't assume anyone who has worked as a TV exec has ethics, particularly in sports. If there is one thing the last few years have shown us, greed trumps ethics in this field.
You’re 100% correct, re: UW/UO, especially, ESPECIALLY, when they’re both ranked.
Glad someone agrees! (you're not the only one tho)
If you look at the history of college football conferences, they expand during good economic times and split in hard times. Once they get to 16 members or above, there is pressure for the top 8 teams to forge a new conference. The Southern Conference did this twice - as the SEC and ACC left from them. The SWC collapsed to form the Big 12. The WAC birthed the MWC.
How long until the top dogs in the SEC and Big 10 decide to leave the Vandy and Indianas behind?
The B1G is Ohio State, Michigan & Penn State.
The SEC is Georgia, Alabama & LSU.
They drop off a cliff after that.
Last year 1-8 ISU beat 5-4 western division champion runner-up Iowa in Iowa City.
They will NEVER have Georgia/Balmma rivalry game....that risks the best 2 programs beating each other on a yearly basis.....the want to have as many undefeated teams during the year to proclaim SEC superiority
You're probably right, which sucks for us as CFB fans
This is very weird. I didn't know Finebaum was a member of 12anon.
Not all Big12 are happy with the way things are going. It would suck if the Pac12 didn’t exist. I think it’ll be okay.
LOL, he's not. He predicted the death of the B12 also once OU/TX announced their departure. He also said that no one would be watching the B12 Championship game due to lack of interest (9.41 Million viewers) and he also predicted that Mich. would blow out TCU and that TCU's weak schedule would be exposed. So no, he is not a B12 fan and B12 fans do NOT like him. LOL.
IIRC, some people roasted George Kliavkoff for suggesting that the "Coach Prime effect" could add value to the conference's media rights.
What have we seen since then? A (rapidly) sold out spring game and three straight appearances on national television to start next season.
These look like clear indicators that Deion Sanders does, indeed, draw eyeballs...and we know drawing eyeballs equals $ in media rights. So, now that we've seen hard evidence of the Coach Prime effect...how much ACTUAL value might potential media partners assign to a resurgent Colorado brand?
Season hasn't started. Prime will be an after thought by mid Oct. Colorado is not going to be good. At best they are a four win team.
The problem is, how long can the conference convince their media partners that Coach Prime will be around? I think everyone assumes he's only there for how long his kids are. Is that long enough to get extra money out of the media deal?
@@richardmehlhaf5402 That's a take. I would probably agree that Colorado won't be much of a factor in the PAC championship race, or even that they will make a bowl game this season; but I don't think people will lose interest in Coach Prime altogether, and certainly not as he continues to bring in elite recruits and win more games with them in future seasons.
The betting line on Colorado, FWIW, is 4.5 wins: I guess this means you should check in at Fan Duel, and bet the under.
@@dougrobinson6683 Does everyone assume that? If you take what Prime told Joel Klatt a couple weeks ago, he's fallen in love with the Boulder area. If the man is already wealthy, and able to build a program to compete at the highest level of college football there, why would he leave?
@user-pl1hs9nb4g Colorado couldn't match or exceed? Also, dude is already WEALTHY.
Stanford and Cal would likely join the Ivy League, hear me out because it would make the most sense and has always made the most sense academically and athletically, Oregon St and Washington St would go to the Mountain West
They care about academics a lot and perhaps not enough about athletics, but they don't care about athletics THAT little
I am biased as a Dawg but I think any big game tv draws is a win for the whole conference in its ability to get tv deals
I don't think you and I are alone in thinking that
Spencer does the best pete Davidson impression I’ve ever seen.
I didn't even know I could do that one!
Spence, will Dante Moore flipping to UCLA haunt the ducks in the near future? Was it worth losing him to have Bo come back for a year.
Maybe as a p5 conference. The conference hemorrhaged a lot of money and left a lot on the table. So it’s very possible that it’s gone as a p5, but gone all together probably not.
I don't want him to be, but they are running it into the ground. Arrogance and incompetence is a bad combination.
Hey bud can you mention how Montana and Idaho use to be in the Pac, maybe do a segment on the history of the conference
Yeah of course!
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball many fans don’t know how far the history of the PAC goes back . Keep up the good work 👍
@@Mzbbxhfbfnsx Will do!
(Also, gonna do that as a part of Wednesday's show. Busy week ahead!)
Love your coverage and as a Big 12 fan guys like you would be so welcome in a larger combined conference!
Thank you good sir!
It sadly will prob never happen, but I would love a merger. Would be super duper fun
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Which team are you going to continue following in the PAC 12 Diaspora?
You tell me which 1 team you will continue to follow and I will tell you which conference you need to start preparing to cover when that team LEAVES a DEAD PAC 12 to join a NEW Conference.
@@brucemercer7753 What's a diaspora
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland
I thought you PAC types were supposed to CARE about EDUCATION?
I knew that was BS the whole time lol
Looks like finebaum is wrong again
The 4 new members of the Big 12 will receive 19 mill until the the TV deal goes into effect, then they will get a full share of 31.7 million a year.
Pac will be around in 26', but not with all 10 current members. I think Pac looses four schools minimally in the next two-three years.
If they lost 4 schools in the next 2 years, I think it could easily fold
Can’t stand Paul finebaum, he just oozes biases and I consider him like a broken clock right twice a day just because you can’t always be wrong.
SMU, San Deigo State, Fresno State, UNLV, and ill even add either Rice or North Texas.
Terrible. 😂
🗑
CU - Nebraska rivalry is passionate and crazy. Too bad market forces and conf realignment politics have made this traditional matchup more rare and undervalued. Since going separate ways, both programs have fallen on hard times.
The nostalgia value plus the Prime Effect have conspired to generate extraordinarily high ticket prices and a Fox Noon kickoff. In the long run, these two programs belong in the same conference because the alternative isn’t pretty.
At least we will have a fun game this year!
Current playoff media contract ends in 2026. There’s potential for a lot more realignment at that time. My guess is that’s why PF chose that date
Could be, I think it ends in '25 actually but then negotiating for 2026 would make sense
The PAC will out live him, that's for sure.
Absolutely no midwest interest in Oregon-Oregon State game in midwest. More interest in Washington-WSU game.
Well, a year later and Paul is looking pretty correct! Go Gators! 🐊
It's will be the mountain west 😂
Basically, yes. It will be the MWC that ceases to exist as we know it (folded into the AAC)
Paul Finebaum is the Church Lady of college football.
I guess some pac 8 teams think if they disband they will come over to the B1G. Why would they be wanted ??? Every team is losing it's value. Man up and quit blaming your conference commissioner.
Maybe because I was in the Southwest Conference, I don't think of it as a "long, long time ago". Then Arkansas left and realignment hasn't stopped since then.
I apologize for not having been around for that so my knowledge is referential...but at least I try and do my research!
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball just amused, not offended! These things don't come across well online. Great channel.
Yes, he's right but maybe by 2024. Those hoping for PAC survival should wish in one hand and, well you know.
I can't see the PAC 10 being but I can see it becoming a non power 5 conference.
Do you feel that way about the Big 12?
So if 10 teams vote to disband the ACC, they still don't get back their GOR?
Tbh I'm not clear on how all that could work I haven't read up on it. I did an episode recently with our ACC host who would know more
You reference the PAC as "The Conference of Champions" and the B1G as the "biggest and best" but when is the last time either sniffed a major national championship. What is a proven fact is the SEC is the conference for championships in all the major sports (Recap 2023: Football- Georgia; Basketball-UConn; WBB-LSU; Softball-Oklahoma; Baseball-LSU/Fla. So the common denominator is 3 SEC schools + a Future SEC. What you don't see is the PAC or B1G listed. The B1G can become the biggest conference if they decide to let Washington and Oregon come to play, if. But neither can list themselves as Champions or the Best. That is reserved at this time.
You mean THE TOP of the SEC I suppose. Those teams in the Deep South that have endless amounts of money for their football budget but not so much for a basic safety net for their citizens. Yup, they’re pretty hard to beat.
I don't know how you can be down on the commish when he has not finished his deal yet. And why are they on the Pac 12 with a year to go when the Big 10 whos big deal starts this fall has started falling apart and hasn't been signed yet.
I feel the exact same way!
Hey Spencer, I enjoy your channel. I think the PAC-12 will have difficulties going forward. Your marquee school, USC, is gone, and they took your sem-marquee school, UCLA, with them. Oregon, and Washington, are really Johnny-come-lately‘s, as they’ve only been good since the mid-70s (Washington), and Oregon (the early 80’s), and neither has been very good in recent years. also, I don’t know how much their media markets really care about college sports.
Colorado is heading back to the Big 12 it seems. Arizona seems to also be heading that way. Stanford and Berkeley are really not very attractive athletically, and Wazzu and Oregon State are in the same league as Boise State as far as athletic attractiveness.
USC and UCLA are good for the Big Ten, because it gives their Midwestern fan bases a nice warm travel option in October and November when it’s cold as hell and their home states.
Finally, The Big10 will be better off trying to get Virginia, North Carolina, Miami, and Georgia Tech, to make a foothold in the southeast. (They would love to get Florida State, but that school, not being an AAU school, would probably never be chosen.)
I do think the Pac 12 they survive, but it will likely be The following schools making up the conference and then if future:
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
Washington State
Oregon State
SDSU
Fresno State
Boise State
Utah
Cal Davis
Colorado State
All-in-all, that would be a pretty good conference.
He's off the mark by 2 years. The Pac will ceease to exist after the current tv contract expires in July 2024.
The college football game would be shooting them selves in the head by killing off a WEST COAST conference.. 😡
Pac 12 did it to themselves. California especially San Francisco and Oakland are shit holes
The mid season bird-Dawg bowl
Her for it tbh
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Seriously, though, if you were to name the Oregon-Washington rivalry game...what might you call it?
@@ericlammerman2777 It's the Border War. And I love it that way
for a pac 12 pod this felt heavily slanted towards orwa
Well as they pertained to the topics/questions of the episode, I see how you could feel that way. Every conference has headliners like that tho, that will get more attention than others
Spencer:
In his postulation, Paul Finebaum, veritably an authority in sports journalism, failed to take into consideration a few things before writing an obituary for the PAC-12:
First, PAC-12 schools operate with a dosage of hubris to the point that they see the encroachment into the conference by Big 10 and Big 12 with the intention to poach away their teams as both a challenge and an insult that must be resisted.
Given that, the member schools are not going to be swayed away to the poaching conferences because there's big money to be had outside the PAC. If money is the overriding factor in jumping ship, USC and UCLA (for now) would have successfully lured away Oregon and Washington to the Big 10. There's just too much history and too much pride for the PAC to succumb to what is likely a temporary setback.
Another issue Mister Finebaum did not consider before writing PAC-12's untimely obituary is that George Kliavkoff is likely negotiating a short-term contract for about $31M-$35M for 5 years. That will put the PAC in a comfortable position to negotiate a bigger contract in 2028.
Those are some of the factors Mister Finebaum overlooked.
With all of those points out of the way, I strongly believe that the reason for the conference not yet having a TV contract in place is that the networks want a long-term contract on the cheap, while Kliavkoff has other ideas, as opposed to what naysayers like Monty, Finebaum, et al are saying. Eventually, the contract negotiation will end in Kliavkoff's favor.
Long live PAC-12!
BACK THE PAC
What you are not considering is that ESPN and FOX don't need the PAC AT ALL.
FOX has every game they need from the BIG and Big 12.
ESPN has every game they need from the SEC, ACC, and Big 12.
Should ESPN need any West Coast games they can show MWC and WAC games for PEANUTS.
Nobody NEEDS your Inventory of games to FILL their slots to broadcast games.
Kliavkoff is negotiating from a position of USELESS WEAKNESS.
What you don't know is FOX and ESPN are DONE with dealing with the CLOWNS that run the PAC and are collaborating to KILL IT FOREVER so they don't have to deal with those CLOWNS anymore.
Thos CLOWNS have stood in the way of EVERY SINGLE MOVE that could be made to make tons of money for FOX and ESPN (and the PAC btw)
So... FOX and ESPN will tear the PAC apart and spread the schools of the PAC into THREE Conferences so that they will NEVER have enough POWER to stand in the way anymore.
Finebaum KNOWS that the BIg 12 Pro Rata Clause is there to soak up the LEFTOVERS of the PAC... not to pull away the Big Dogs... but to collect the DRECK.
ACC is about to expand by SIX. 3 to 5 of which are PAC teams. A FULL SHARE of what the ACC gets NOW is 3 times what the PAC will get. After expansion, it will be 4 times what the PAC is going to get.
Maybe the BIG will still move, but I don't think so.
Big 12 is going to LOSE ZERO to Three teams to the ACC and then grab whatever is left of the PAC.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball NC State Wolfpackers might consider that a trademark infringement.
@@BlithelyUrbane Hahaha didn't know that's their thing
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball "We Back the Pack" is a mantra in NC State Wolfpack land.
Oh, and realistically the PAC will not fold. There is a need for a P5 conference in the West. These schools don't want to be at a competitive disadvantage traveling as far East as they'd have to in all sports. Going East is harder than traveling out West. The Western teams would have a harder time winning in all sports. And think about the Non- Football/Basketball sports. Having all those teams traveling that far for all those away games. Not good.
I love your show and watch on youtube almost every day. But I have to disagree with your conclusion that because the PAC 12 schools have had a chance to go to the Big 12 for about a year but have not gone yet, that means that they just dont have any interest in the Big 12 and no one will ever leave. That logic could be extended to the media companies. All media companies have had about a year to offer the Pac a competitive deal. So your logic would say that that means they dont WANT to offer a reasonable deal and probably never will. I dont agree with either conclusion. I still believe the Pac can get a deal worked out and I also believe that theres still a chance 2 or more Pac teams can possibly decide to leave. Just because neither has happened yet doesnt mean it will NEVER happen. Again I love your show and am a subscriber and hit the like button 95% of the time. Keep doing what you do. You're good at it!
Thank you for being an everydayer!
I don't contend that P12 teams would never go, but I have actively pushed back on the notion that they're leaving before they see the media deal.
I see what you're saying and I suppose their desires can change, but right now they don't WANT to be in the Big 12 or I think they would have jumped. They still could jump after seeing the media deal
So where’s the media deal? We know there is a deal. Just not good enough to satisfy those who are patiently waiting. Kliavkoff knows what is expected. Funny the whole PAC is relying on this guy to lead them to the promise land. Best thing to do is to merg the two conferences together. Create east and west divisions, and be the best #3 power 5 conference there is. But if that happens Kliavkoff would be out of a job. So to save his own ass at the sake of the whole PAC 12, he just keeps holding out, every last second praying for that miracle.
Finebaum didn’t even talk about the new B10 schedule he knows the SEC and ESPN are in trouble.
Spoken like a true locked on homer. Cal and Stanford to the B1G? Maybe if the B1G goes to more than 20 teams, much more. Any team in the PAC would go to the B1G for reduced money.
Both incredible schools, both in a huge media market. Both important factors, when it comes to future B1G expansion.
Some people believe Stanford is actually on the short list, because it also has a traditional rivalry with Notre Dame.
Read Spencer's headstone and you'll understand.
@@rods5569 comment of the year right here
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball I got your back bro. And I'll leave flowers at your grave, they'll probably be stolen from one of the other graves but they'll be yours my friend.
Oregon is very very desperate.
Cal will get left in the dust. Notre Dame will get that spot
The PAC - 12 is done. You can start your 5 stages of grieving now.
same clown who said the Big XII was done in 2021
Bingo.
Gives me hope tbh
Finebaum thinks the sun rises and sets on his precious SEC
YEP, D-O-N-E! 🏚🔥
4&5 star ⭐️ players will want to be on TV📺 When Oregon goes to the BIG 10 the PAC 12 is over. Watch the transfer portal next year and we’ll see what happens. The BIG 10 doesn’t to take all the blame for killing your Conference.
Oregon is not going to the big 10 bro….
Oregon isn't going to the Big 10. They're gonna expand towards the East later on.
I can see the PAC as we know it gone . 6 schools Leave for Big 12 and Big 10 leaving 4 .
And package be in name only . power 5 status gone .
PAC IN NAME ONLY
You can see it. We'll see whether or not you need your vision checked.
How likely do you think it is that these six schools leave before there's a new media rights deal in place?
@@johncoy5912 ALL IN CAPS MEANS YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT
@@ericlammerman2777bro quit acting like this is some far fetched theory, if the B1G chooses to they can effectively end the PAC by taking their choice of any of the remaining valuable brands.
No one believes that GK is doing a good job at this point... his failure to communicate is staggering.
PF is just a talking head for (ESPN) SEC network which is weird for someone that's never played
a sport in his entire life...
See what the media deal is, then judge
F ESPN.
If I'm the PAC acting in a self-interested vacuum, I go like this, in this order:
1) UConn (R1) (begin working on adding Pitt and Duke once the ACC blows)
2) USF (AAU) -Tampa
3) Tulane (AAU) -New Orleans
4) Rice (AAU) -Houston
5) SMU (R2) -Dallas
6) SDSU (R2) -San Diego
The APAC16 The Atlantic to Pacific Athletic Conference.
Perhaps soon to be the APAC18 or 20 [Pitt (AAU), Duke (AAU), Kansas (AAU), Hawaii (R1)].
The only one I couldn't see happening is Kansas, but I like the mentality. I wonder if they can get some Ivy league schools to move up.😂
Kansas just extended their grant of rights, so are unavailable for several years. The non ACC members are probably reducing the average payout on media deals, maybe not as bad if take partial share of revenue of currently contract currently under negotiation, so seems unlikely would add any more than deemed necessary.
Grandpa Paul 👴... Time for your nap!
Go Dawgs!
Pac-10 is so screwed
Utah should be with BYU Big 12
They are both culturally different Universities. The fan bases are both also different.
When these universities do play against each other. Utah players look up into the stands and wave at their parents and siblings. BYU players look up into the stands and wave at their wife and kids.
@@glperez77 LOL!
At BYU the girls are looking for a husband.
At Utah the girls are looking for the father.
Dude, I'm sorry, but there's no way Oregon or Washington would go to the SEC. Doesn't matter how much money is on the table. A 10-3 Ducks team on the west coast would turn into a 6-5 team in the SEC just because of the travel alone. And let's not forget what this would do to the non-revenue generating sports. It would be unbearable for the athletes. This is why the UCLA/USC defection to the Big Ten is going to backfire. USC with its talent, reputation and NIL might get by, but a UCLA team that might otherwise be 8-5 or 9-4 in the Pac-12 will now be a 5-6 or 6-5 team in the Big Ten. They will regret it, and look for UCLA to head back west during the next realignment. Oregon is chasing national championships and playoff berths. Best way to do that is to stay in the Pac-12.
I very much want everyone in the P12 to stay put including Oregon, for a variety of reasons. I assure you I was not bringing this up with the sort of seriousness you might be thinking haha, all good
As a Utah fan, measured by teams we dislike, I might argue that we have more of a rivalry with Boise State (due largely to a chip on their shoulder) than any team in the PAC 12.
I would totally believe that, who does Utah hate? Seems like nobody except maybe USC now
If I'm correct Boise state has beat Utah five times
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball based on the trolling billboards and rabid online hate, I’m guessing they hate BYU far more than Boise State or USC. That’s the real kind of hate those pikers could never dream of. Come back when Whit claims you’ll never beat him again or pretends your team doesn’t exist in media interviews. Then we’ll take you seriously.
I mean there are no real football brands left in the PAC
If you've never watched Pac-12 football then sure that might appear true
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball there is a reason u dont have a media rights deal
Dude. What qualifies as "real?" Because Oregon and Washington are both generally considered top 20 brands, more valuable than anything in the Big XII. Some writers rate Utah pretty highly as well.
@@willstrick9185 Because it's still being worked on, with over a year left before the current one expires?
@@ericlammerman2777 lmao. If USC and UCLA were still there u would had a deal months ago. Pac12? Is a laughing stock
I'm on an island here, but think a lot might hinge on BTN, the most successful of the conference networks. I hope there is a buy back on the 10% they recently sold to Fox, giving them a controlling interest, because BTN could become an incubator for innovation, controlled by the schools. Unbundle it from cable, make it an app, make it affordable, don't screw it up.
I'll take Herbert, Belotti and Fouts😂 and we are having more fun than you ever will
🦆🦆🦆🦆😁
Wrong channel hahahahahaha but duly noted
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball did I comment on the other show?
🤣🤣 I was too busy typing and the first one ended. I have them play back to back 💯👍🏽
Thank you Spencer 🦆
Paul Finebaum is a better man than you are, Spencer McLaughlin! 🤑
LMAO!! I know what you mean because I have heard that drop on the Monty Show but I am not sure Spencer will get it. Still funny tho. 🤣
@@VorlonAngel lol..."Jakie two-holes" taught me that one
@@Conundrum-cy5oe 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are totally biased!!!
Spencer, please, if you can, don't give the UO/OSU the Prince treatment. The rivalry game in the state of Oregon is and will always be the "Civil War." Let's keep the wokeness off your show if you can.
OSU and Utah could be building a bit of a rivalry, at least over the last two years. If the Beavs beat the Utes in Corvallis again this year, then theres some potential building. A true rivalry has either deep tradition or routinely sees each team win games and ideally, the game would have post-season implications. OSU gave Utah their only conference loss in '21. Last year, the Beavs throw two picks that are TDs the other way and lose their QB for the season after a hangover from the near win against USC. This year, the schedule makers and TV executives get it and put in on Friday at the end of September (30th). Will Rising be healthy by then? Who knows, but if the Beavs win and end up ranked higher than Utah at the end of the year, then we may just have a budding rivalry between the two where the home team holds serve for the last three years. OSU/WSU are cousins cut from the same cloth and don't have any real rivalry at this point.
There are competitors but the likely Champion of Woke is Portland - Probably that coveted Category - 5 Woke designation.
Big12 fan.
The PAC will outlive feinbaum.
He called for the Big12 demise.
If he calls it, I’d be more hopeful.
I for one am never a fan of a conference (as we know it) ceasing to exist. College sports are almost perfect (not entirely) and radically changing them isn't my preferred approach
Go Ducks!!!
Where are the lame ducks going???
Not to the B1G.
Paul Finebaum is the Joseph Goebbels of the SEC.
This idea that Finebaum is a “ longtime” college football commentator is kind of a joke. Not your bad Spence, but he’s been around at ESPN since 2013. I’ve been watching college football since 1989, really crazily by 1990-91. I remember Kirk
Herbstreit as Ohio States QB, when the Buckeyes couldn’t sniff the Rose Bowl for years and years and years. Then he started on ESPN in the mid 90’s. Anyway, my point is that Finebaum is an SEC suck up lackey, who cares what he thinks, he couldn’t tackle a paper bag.
10 years is a pretty good run but won't lie I thought he had been there longer. Still, his voice reaches a sizable audience
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball I hear ya, I’m probably quite a bit older that you so, long time means something different to me. Chris Petersen was hired at, and Sark left, UW that year, so I remember Finebaum appearing during game day really vividly. With that said, sure, his voice reaches an audience, all because of ESPN. Prior to that I doubt anyone outta SEC country, and mostly AL, even knew who he was.
@cryptotony5110 Finebaum gone by 2026 👍👍
“4 years? Do it in 3!” 🤪
No Oregon No pac 12 simple… Simple
Oregon has nowhere to go, and neither does Washington, likely until 2030. Simple.
@@ericlammerman2777 I agree but if is all I’m saying.
PAC12 is done
He's full of hot air. He gives Texas A&M very little respect. They are going to be a good team. Gig'em Aggies! 👍🏼 @drtank24
That's funny. A&M is gonna be average. All those resources, and still underachieve.
I will watch football games on Saturday. Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Oregon, Florida and sometimes Hawai'i games. Little bit messed up if on same time. Sometimes 1 game I will watch on Sunday. @drtank24