REPORT: Pac-12/Mountain West REVERSE MERGER is not best rebuild plan l College Football Podcast
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- Among the potential options for the Pac-12 rebuild that have been discussed is a "reverse merger" with the entire Mountain West. That move would NOT benefit Oregon State and Washington State as they navigate the realignment landscape.
On today's episode of Locked On College Football, Spencer McLaughlin is joined by 'Locked On Alabama' host Luke Robinson. What is the baseline standard of success for Kalen DeBoer's first year in Tuscaloosa? 10:50
Liberty got what would have been the G5 Playoff bid in 2023, losing to Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl. Should they be the betting favorites to be the 2nd G5 team to ever make the CFP? 20:35
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NO UNDEFEATED FBS SCHOOL SHOULD MISS THE FBS PLAYOFFS!!!!
Depends because, as Oregon clearly demonstrated last year against an undefeated G5 school, they don't have the caliber of players to even compete with the big boys. At least a P4 school with a couple of losses has a realistic chance to win it all
ITS RIDICULOUS TO THINK A G5 shouldn’t get a auto spot! SCHOOLS CANT HAND PICK THEIR CONFERENCE
I guess we don't agree.
Really, the G5 should get 5 spots (and I'm being serious). There are 9 FBS conferences, playing for the same championship. Expand the playoffs to 16 spots, with 9 automatic bids and 7 at large. The top 11 teams would still get in the playoffs as they do now with a 12-team field, and it would finally be fair to all 9 FBS leagues. (This is also the way every other team sport at every level is decided, including other levels of college football. No one should need a Committee vote to get in if they win their conference.)
@@atgdcommish608 exactly
Liberty literally was independent could have been wherever they wanted but went to the worst conference why because they knew they couldn't compete in any other conference, so u shouldn't get reward for playing bad teams all year
@@christiankennedy142 More than 10 basketball teams do it every year.
G5 being allowed in is cover for when the SEC and B1G try to exclude the Big 12 and ACC.
Arbitrarily elevating G5 programs is part of what provoked the P2 to move toward a tier 1 system and FSU to start burning down the ACC. Bringing up more would actually make the P2 less likely to include B12, ACC
@@adamb6370 The P2 was doing this for years and it led to all the lawsuits and all that. It is the greed from the P2 that is hurting college sports. We need to break up the conferences and put them in their regions, and no all AAU schools in the Big 10. You would see MAC schools in with Big 10 schools. MAC schools have beaten Big 10 schools. Appalachian State beat Michigan. That is what a lot of people want to see. These greedy schools get beaten on the field.
@@Spitfirethedragon ok but if your going to go that route then why not also FCS or division II? If you aren’t going to hold a difference between Texas and Louisiana Tech, the why are you shutting out Wyoming or Delaware? NDSU has been performing on the field and winning championships in a playoff era in FCS.
That might be one of my biggest issues. I don’t see much difference between a G5 and FCS. Actually the real difference is between P2 and G5 which you want to do away with.
I don’t see Fresno in a new PAC. Crumbling stadium with two “no” votes on funding it, declining enrollment, and closes door,on a Stanford or Cal returning.
But if you want your new Pac-X to be competitive on the field, Fresno State is better than most G5 teams, especially in the West. They used to regularly beat Pac12 teams head to head.
@@atgdcommish608 it would be competitive with or without them
AUTO BIDS ARE A MUST TO END THE CORRUPTION
YES for sure!
I'm not rewarding a team for losing, no matter how hard the conference. You CHOSE that conference. Win in that conference, go to the playoff. Don't? Too bad.
Boise State chose the SEC. Idk why their in the Mountain West
@@scottyclayton2501 Boise State beat Georgia and Florida State that are two schools in the hotbed of football recruiting.
Spencer, I know you wont directly answer this question because logic messes up your realignment dreams but I will ask anyway.
If Pac 2 plans to poach 6 teams in 2026, why would the MW agree to extend the scheduling agreement in 2025? It takes 9 of 12 schools to vote to extend the agreement. Why would San Jose State, Utah State, Hawaii, Wyoming, New Mexico, Nevada, etc agree to help OSU and WSU if they plan to destroy the MW a year later?
You answered your own question. They would create an alliance for the next 2 seasons until the MW media rights contract is up (end of 2025). Why would they not? They get a great 2 season look at OSU and WSU. And same for those 2 schools getting good looks at the rest of the conference.
@@Tims_TanksI didn't answer my own question. You didn't answer the question. Why would half the conference agree to any alliance in 2025 if PAC 2 plans to poach in 2026?
Here let me prove you wrong with a direct answer:
Because in the short term the move is GREAT for the Mountain West, and there will be no need to extend the agreement because the schools that would vote on it won't be in the MW beyond 2025
@@LockedOnCollegeFootballIt's not a great deal to help 2 schools bent on destroying your conference.
If the MW were smart they would give an ultimatum. Full merger in 2026 or no scheduling agreement in 2025.
Who would OSU and WSU play in 2025 in October and November?
@@Alohanate2004 They've already signed the deal through 2025, and for their own protection have the poaching penalty if OSU/WSU take teams but not all the teams from MW to rebuild the Pac-12
As for your first sentence, adapt or die. You don't have to like the world that we are living in but it's hunt or be hunted. No standby available
Spencer: I agree with you about OSU & WSU being unlikely for the ACC. Why? There are better options if and when the ACC decides to expand. Who are they? 1: SDSU. They actually moved from 151st to # 106 in the US News Academic Ranking. Plus the Aztecs get you into Southern California and bring excellent hoops in a strong basketball conference. 2: USF. # 89 in Academic Ranking plus the TB TV market. A perfect replacement for FSU ( unless grabbed by the Big 10 a FSU travel partner). In a Conference with strong academic schools ( Except Louisville) SDSU & USF are better academic fits ( not to mention geography). As for a new PAC who do I think should be added to OSU & WSU? AFA, BSU, CSU, Fresno,, UNLV, UTSA plus another Texas school ( North Texas, Texas St or UTEP). Last but not least: SDSU ( if they don’t go ACC) or Wyoming.
If ACC comes west, I don't think they look beyond OSU/WSU it wouldn't make sense. Even tho I like SDSU
@@LockedOnCollegeFootballThe Acc get all 3.
@@jmath1978 They could, any school would accept the offer. I just doubt they would do it
No way Oregon State gets overlooked for SDSU.
UConn is a far better ACC fit than USF..
"I get it. Last time they played us they beat our brains in."
I love Luke. Lol Go Utes! Roll Tide!
Whoa! So much to say about this video. I understand that OSU & WSU got a settlement from the departing schools. That money is theirs to spend as they see fit. The 2 year grace period to recognize the Pac 2 was all but erased when OSU and WSU accepted a different deal from the CFP. I would like to know what is the truth and what is opinion. If Alabama goes 9-3 and makes the CFP over schools with more wins, we should remember what Bear Bryan would argue for a better bowl offer "Because we beat everyone on our schedule!" It was a time with a 6 game SEC schedule and the non-conference games were a joke. The season should weed out the also rans from the elite. Liberty? How does the top G-5 school get chosen. Record, rating, and strength of schedule like the other CFP invitees or are there two rating systems.
Regarding your last point, the Group of 5 (or however many there will be) top ranked team will always be a toughy since they don’t play any similar schedules to their other G5 conference schools. Tough to compare apples to apples. Why Liberty??? You answered the question with that’s how it’s done with the other top 11 also - - thru flawed human guesswork along with the best statistical comparisons available.
Apples to oranges comparison.. pac 2, mountain west, Even ACC have to do things differently than big 10 and sec.. it's best available at best.. and it's not about getting 50-60- or 70 million tv deals.. impossible..but can still survive.. and be good football for their fans..
Given UCLA's payment to Cal I doubt the Cal State schools will be split up. The departing school or schools would likely have to pay the schools that are left behind. The precedent has been set. I believe they are now a package deal
I understand that in the 12 team playoff model the G5 team will be playing a better team in the 5 seed than before, but G5 champs went 4-5 in the NY6 bowls. I do agree that G5 teams should need to schedule P4 ones though, we got unlucky the 11-1 G5 teams lost their championship game to let liberty coast through.
I'm not opposed to letting in a team like Cinci in years past who beat NOTRE DAME (top 10 team at the time)
I am opposed to an auto bid that allows for a schedule like Liberty's to be allowed into the CFP. G5 teams can beat P4 teams no doubt--but the auto bid creates the wrong incentive structure
liberty did schedule p5 schools, and they all cancelled when liberty started to be good. Wake forest, BYU, UCF, Duke, NC State, and UVA all cancelled games.
@@BE_ Which brings me back to my point about CFB scheduling being broken. Schools have too much power on their own
@@BE_BYU and UCF made sense since they moved conferences and it completely nuked their schedules. The other schools have no excuse.
One way to fix the playoff is to have 2 separate systems. One system for the power 4, and one for the G5. If the G5 had their own playoff system, where they have a legitimate chance for a national title, it might reduce the exodus of players and coaches from the G5 to the P4. Also, the G5 playoff would create more content for the networks, which they would like.
And then we are just a half step away from there from promotion/relegation :)
The playoff has 12 teams. Maybe 14 teams soon. What's the big deal about 1 G5 school getting in?
If I'm the 5th ranked team in the playoff would I rather play a G5 team or a P4 team in the 1st round?
@@Alohanate2004 The only problem I have is that you put them in the playoff to get stomped by a p4 team in the first round. Their only purpose is to be a sacrificial lamb.
@@marcleitman9778 Better to lose by 40 in the real playoff than win a meaningless G5 championship.
Just making it to the playoff would help any G5 team with recruiting
FBs is one level with 134 schools … your FCs analogy doesn’t hold
So you think Jacksonville St should compete for the same national championship as Alabama?
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball they are both play at the FBS level… obviously Jacksonville st isn’t good enough for that at this point but they should have the opportunity to work towards that… same as Vanderbilt.
@@joshgrothues7871 G5 champion should get promoted to P4 ranks, last place finisher relegated to G5. My dream scenario
Reverse merger never made sense and tbh rebuilding the pac and choosing to do it without AAC schools also makes no sense to me. I still think the ACC comes to pick up the PAC2 before next summer, but if the long term play is a rebuilt PAC then there’s just no good reason to pay a premium for schools and limit yourself to the western region.
those teams have no option stop both are jokes
I don't even like the Utes, but in this hypothetical saying a 9-3 Alabama that doesn't even play for their conference title game gets in over 11-2 Utah is a wild take. We want Alabama back in the CFP at that point to watch them get beat again by the teams that beat them out to be there to begin with? Wasnt that long ago Baylor and TCU both got shafted in the CFP because "They didnt have a 13th data point", but sure, SEC teams dont need it. If you were "one of the best teams" then you should have won the games in season play. Yes, you are a Homer.
That's the way it's going to work in practice though. The 12 teams will normally be 4 Big10 teams, 4 SEC teams, 1 ACC team, 1 Big12 team, 1 G5 team and 1 more team from among the ACC, Big12 and Notre Dame. Look at the rankings last season and it is obvious.
A better format would be 16 teams, with 9 automatic bids. The top 11 teams would make the playoff either way, but a 16-team field would give G5 teams an honest shot.
25:55 You said the G5 should play in their own playoff. But you have been advocating for OSU and WSU to create the premier G5 conference to compete in the CFP playoff.
Which is it?
An opinion and reality. First part of your comment is his opinion and the second part is the reality. G5 gets atleast 1 auto bid.
@@Tims_TanksI was pointing out the fact that he is contradicting himself. Thanks for chiming in on all my comments.
It can be both, though the comment below about opinion/reality is also accurate. Allow me to explain:
G5 national championship/format would create a structure in which the G5 champion (maybe another team or 2?) find their way into the P4 ranks via promotion/relegation (which I've been a fan of for a long time)
That way there is a financial AND competitive incentive towards the G5 Championship, and yes this model likely works better if there is further realignment consolidation into an AFC/NFC-type structure
Complicated? Yes, absolutely. Might need to take out a game in the regular season so that kids aren't overworked.
The G5 is being treated like a separate level, but they are still in the FBS now. Expand to 16 teams, with 9 automatic bids.
And the Big12 scooped up 4 G5 teams a year ago and everyone seems okay with that, and treating them like Power4 now.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Several of the top G5 schools play like P5 with less money. Same with North Dakota State. It does not mean a school like Boise State could not win it all. Boise State beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Boise State may go on and win the championship against schools like Alabama, Georgia and all that.
Thumb down, sorry ... it's absolutely absurd to hold the highbrow ideology that auto bids should not be a playoff
factor. Maybe the Group of 5 in all does not deserve an automatic inclusion. But telling me a team that had an
8-4 record deserves to be included ahead of an undefeated team, because of the schedule they play, nope. You
can miss me with that nonsense. Losing 1/3rd of your games likely means you lost to the teams who were good
enough to be in the playoff. Then you already had your chance at them. Without the auto bid process, what you
have is an invitational, not a playoff.
The ONLY strategy that makes sense is a complete reverse merger with the MWC. Anything else would crush the PAC 2 financially. Taking just half of the 12 MW schools before Aug. 2, 2027 would cost the Pac-12 a total of $67.5 million, which does not include the MW's prohibitive exit fees. Per the MW handbook, MW teams would owe a roughly $34 million exit fee with less than one year's notice of departure. That fee would be halved at $17 million with more than a year's notice. But taking all 12 teams in a reverse merger would cost virtually zero.
1. How does that mesh with stated plans to rebuild to 8 teams at first
2. The Pac-12 does not have to pay the exit fees as I discussed, the departing schools do (that is the case in every other realignment move)
A reverse merger with the MWC would crush the Pac. It would be like giving up, going from 30M a year to 5M a year.
A super-G5 national conference should get more like 12-15M a year, plus a lot more frequent football and basketball playoff shares.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Why would the MWC teams do that? The money isn't worth it. Over the next 5 years it would eat up the extra media money they would get, even possibly lose some. Read my comment I made earlier explaining all of this.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball
1: The 8 teams idea came from Scott Barnes thoughts, it isn’t an official “plan”
2: As I said, the PAC 2/12 would owe 67.5 million in penalties, not exit fees. The MWC schools would owe the exit fees.
@@atgdcommish608
Super G5 conference is an interesting thought, but I don’t see it happening. The PAC still has gravitas, even with just 2 original schools. A reverse merger with the MWC gives them 14 teams to start and they keep the PAC alive. The next TV/streaming deal would get them to an average of 8-10 mil. per school with some schools getting significantly more. Just my thoughts.
If Oregon State and Washington State are going to be picky they may miss out on a good situation while looking for the best situation and end up significantly worse off in the long run.
The PAC poaching MW schools is not hypocritical because the left behind MW schools wouldn’t lose be relegated to a lower version of FBS football and lose all that money, they’d remain G5s and just be in another conference.
It's not hypocritical to get the best TV deal you can. It's just business.
@@atgdcommish608 That’s more of a dismissal of the idea of hypocrisy than what I was saying, so I don’t agree with you, but either way I guess I wouldn’t call the Pac2 hypocritical.
i hate AFC east comp, Brady while he dominated the Bills, struggled vs Miami alot even went 2-2 vs them when saban was their coach
When the tier 1 realignment is finally over (which will probably still take awhile) I could see a rebuilt PAC with Boise, Fresno at, SDSU, UNLV, maybe a Colorado St, Oreg St, Wash St. would appeal to a Cal (Stanford will go BIG) maybe even a Arizona or ASU as the B12 will get raided in the last moves of realignment (Kansas to SEC potentially Utah and Colorado to BIG.)
Big 12 needs to prove they aren't a stack of cards. They haven't even completed a season as they are and there's no viewership data to work with.
@@teacherjoe7019 well at the end of the day B12 will get raided at least 1 more time and what will it look like after that. If the last big boys move up to the P2, will the B12 still be more stable than an ACC and newly formed PAC. I see all three as equal tier 2
Kansas maybe basketball only SEC
PAC-2 needs to be attractive enough to add the top 6-10 G5s to its ranks, lest the targets stand pat and foil a rebuild. You could probably get them 8-12 million per school with the right media deal and composition, probably partnering with the CW, Fox, and/or CBS, possibly a streaming platform for extra income. Whatever they do, they need as much prowess as they can get.
The American gets like 9M a year now. The MWC is more like 4M a year. A new Pac-X with the top G5 programs should be closer to 15M. Lots of networks want live football.
@@atgdcommish608 which streaming services do you prefer PAC to get
Do they lose their war chest if they join the MWC?
No only if they don't have conference with eight teams by 2026.
@@phays10 That's per the penultimate CFP deal, has nothing to do with the Pac 12 settlement.
If they join the MWC and dissolve the Pac-12, yes they lose it. That's why schools are gonna join the Pac-12 not the other way around
According to the settlement, if the PAC 12 dissolves after the last day of fiscal year 2026 OSU and WSU keep all the money.
If it dissolves before then the money gets split.
@@Alohanate2004 Thanks glad to get the info. It explains why they are all holding their cards close to their vests.
It's 3:30am and I woke up to go pee, and I'm the only one watching... agree it is ridiculous for Liberty to get into playoff with such an easy schedule.
It's 6:30 here and I just got off work I'm watching with ya brother😂
This comment gave me a good chuckle. EARLY MORNING GRIND
no idea why my first comment got tied to yours it was supposed to just be in the general comments haha! My bad buddy.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball good to know that you are providing us with content at 3 o clock in the morning
The playoff talk on this show.. is why college football will stay regional..and never will touch NFL ratings..
This show has that kind of power? I'm here for it!
Make the big east great again
(By bringing it back, yes)
Expansion is about media market $$ - end of story. (Why does anyone care about ‘Academic fit’ for an athletics program?) WSU=Seattle market and OSU=Portland - markets desirable for the B1G. People who somehow think all WSU alumni and boosters live in Pullman are idiots. Vast majority live in Seattle. The fact that they can get the Coug flag to fly at EVERY ESPN Game Day across the country demonstrates their national media worth. Obviously brand recognition is also plays into media worth, but if ACC wants a national media deal, getting Seattle/Portland and then SoCal with SDSU will be lucrative.
It would be a shame if some team from the SEC or Big10 gets left out due to their tougher schedules and I think more of the viewing public would agree. These small audience teams are just that.
If they don't win their conference championship they have already eliminated themselves from the top 4. If the don't rate high enough for an at large bid, yes it would be a shame that they didn't live up to their goals. Just don't blame a school that produces a team that earns their way in. This is not about participation trophies.
The hypothetical team you mention has already made the big bucks just by being a member of one of the two power conferences. They can’t then complain about just missing out on even bigger bucks in the playoff.
@@chsmithins I don’t care about the money I just want to see the big dogs play. I’m not seeing any of that green. I don’t think there is much interest in seeing another Liberty or TCU getting stomped. It’s a different game these days with these mercenary teams. A team might get lucky and sneak up on someone looking past them but it’s going to be even rarer now.
@@teacherjoe7019 lol!
Oh I misread your post. I’m thinking the top 20 is going to be riddled with the P2. Good grief they are saying that Oregon is going to be 2 deep at every position. The Big 10 is going to way better this year. Penn State might be even meet expectations with that new OC they poached from Kansas. All Iowa needs is to be competent on offense. We are heading to an age where the elite programs will be 2 deep with 4 and 5 stars which is just mind blowing. Plus the new coaching rules will favor the bigger programs by having better coaching combined with analytics. It’s exciting times.
Love your work, Spencer, but I think you’ve got this one wrong. WSU/OSU’s top priority is to get into a power league. The MW really doesn’t need them, but they can benefit each other. That presents negotiating room for favorable departure terms, should WSU/OSU have a future opportunity, just like BYU did with the WCC-BYU was upfront with its ultimate aims, but it was a mutually beneficial partnership for as long as it lasted. You lose that flexibility with a cherry-picked rebuild.
Also, I think you’re overstating the appeal of a rebuilt PAC 12. That league would still be viewed as decidedly G5, and parity is not interpreted favorably in those leagues. It’s the inflated records that capture the interest of the casual viewer. The league needs the fluff, but without it being too burdensome, hence the chatter about revenue distribution and institutional support minimums.
Edit to add: BTW this experiment has already been done. The original formation of the MWC not only course-corrected the bloated WAC, which grew too large, too quickly, but it also gave a case study for a league trying to ascend its lower-tier status as a group. In many key metrics the MWC was solidly on par with or superior to the Big East, which had AQ status in the Big East. But the MWC never sniffed due recognition. There’s just too much inertia in college football to bootstrap your way to the top in this way.
Glad you enjoy! Couple of notes:
Rebuilt Pac-12 would have very real Playoff access, even if it's not CLEARLY the best G5 league it is in the running so it's conference champ has a great shot every year
OSU/WSU have to keep the Pac-12 name alive or they lose their settlement money from 10 departing schools, they will not seek to do anything else in the short term.
Long term, yes they want into the P4 but creating a league that's relevant and you can win is how you make yourself most appealing
Great comment! Totally agree
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball yes, but that’s going to be a tough league. Even if you do a reverse merger it’s almost certainly going to be harder to run the table in the MW/Pac than the other G5 leagues. So you’re going to put a two-three loss champ against an undefeated team from the Sunbelt or whoever for that playoff spot. I seriously doubt you get the nod.
It’s kind of the opposite of what happened to Florida St last year, which is my point. I don’t think you’re accounting for the bias, or the whole point of the G5 autobid. The power brokers have revealed time and time again over decades that they don’t believe teams from non-power leagues deserve consideration. Their inclusion has been more a political response. It’s all about giving someone a chance who hasn’t had one yet, so of course an undefeated Liberty is going to get the bid over a two-loss Oregon State. The post season for G5s is in large part a dog and pony show.
I agree there’s value in league strength, but unless you can start nipping at the heels of the Big 12 and ACC you don’t need to be the strongest by a mile.
@@aBrewster29 I think you're too easily thinking about how often G5 teams go undefeated or 11-1, it's hard in every league
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball that’s definitely possible. We’ll see!
To all haters, Remember K. Deboer was the head coach for Fresno State, a MW conference that compete and upset some big schools, Boise State , Fresno State, and San Diego state are big time football schools. pac2 better grab these schools; they will be a good addition to the pac.
Those 3 schools have tons of wins vs the last 2 remaining schools.
The Lobos have zero in state(5th largest by area) in state competition for sports dollars. It is a completely untapped market. The Lobos are primed to become important.
NFL NOPE. MLB NOPE. NBA NOPE.
So what game do you go see in Albuquerque?
NOTHING. Unless someone makes that investment.
PAC12?
It's not a big enough market, and the athletics tradition is not there
New Mexico State is better at football than New Mexico.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball
Green Bay
The Utah Jazz
Crimson Tide
There are huge benefits to being the only game in town
In the case of New Mexico you are looking at a state of two million with nothing bigger. Big fish small pond thing.
Not a BIG10 investment but the PAC whatever should be jumping on Albuquerque.
@@atgdcommish608 BTW those teams far punch above their market in terms of revenue.(cuz they don't have to share sports entertainment dollars)
His take on the CFP and SEC is the reason college football fans dislike the SEC. I want to know at the end of the season who is the true National Champion. You don't know that by playing only teams in the SEC. I like the autobids for that reason. Keep politics out. Eliminate the G5 path to CFP and bring in relegation. Autobid for top two of each Power Four and then the next ranked top 4 in a 12 team playoff or 8 in a 16 team playoff(my wish for CFP). Use March madness as the example but less teams. This is why I like the Sweet 16 for football
I hope alabama loses at least 3 games and gets left out just to spite this dude.
A 3-loss Power2 team will be in the playoffs any year. But 4 losses would knock them out, and both Power2 conferences got a lot stronger for this season. Michigan won't be able to roll through 9 straight cupcakes like they did last season, before facing some serious competition.
Okay Spencer has no idea what he’s talking about on anything here. Multiple people including diehard PAC members and supporters have run through the numbers in its entirety and PAC-2 schools have no money to use to poach schools from any other Non Autonomy Conference. Also it is written in the MWC contracts with the PAC-2 and as a scheduling agreement contingency plan also written in contracts with CUSA, MAC, and AAC on major punitive damages and financial penalties should those two schools try to poach from their respective leagues. The SBC sort of does but it is not precisely like the other 4 Non-A4 leagues.
The PAC-2 can’t use any excess money for anything other than either giving back a bit to the other 10 schools or helping themselves financially with costs and expenses and etc…. The PAC does not have 245 million war chest or 150 million but 65 million is the extra amount in dollars total for both schools that can’t touch it really either until after August 2026.
The MWC has just brokered an agreement with another party in airing games or media outlets network corporate. So that doesn’t happen unless staying together. The AAC and SBC did something similar and the MAC and CUSA have agreed to more Tuesday and Wednesday nights games on three different networks themselves.
Now there could be moves among the five Non-A4 conferences with schools going up to the A4 conferences and some reshuffle amongst themselves and grabbing schools from FCS ranks. But none are going to a fictional conference in the PAC without heavy massive financial penalties and fines that the PAC will pay and said schools.
I went checked out all this and am correct on these statements for sure. I have been right about most issues that I have gotten involved with in the community. On the AAC schools leaving: it’s 36 month notice, and the 3 AAC schools to the Big12 paid 8-9 million up front and because breeched agreement of expectation of departure are paying an additional 18 million over 12 years. UCONN gave less notice and forced to pay 17 million up front and almost 19 million over 12 years themselves. I suspect that SMU will be close to what UCONN paid or perhaps more.
But the difference is no contract for poaching penalties was established with the P4 conferences but done so with the PAC; and in two G5 Conferences, they created penalties for the PAC should they possibly poach before the other six left the PAC12 conference down to two schools. That’s why the AAC was making it clear that either all 4 PAC remaining members join along with Colorado State and Air Force or none joining and just focus on Air Force and Colorado State and back East. In October of 2023, at zero hour, Air Force and Colorado State decided to stay in the MWC to avoid the San Diego State financial fiasco and conference discord.
Where are you seeing that the PAC has no money to poach schools? The PAC commissioner has specifically said part of that war chest money could be used to help get schools to join.
Also, the PAC likely wouldn’t need to touch the money before August 2026 anyway, that’s when the new schools would join.
@@stevedonnie4077I went through each item as others did (who several are diehard PAC Homers mind you) and according to the rules and regulations set forth and implemented and established from the settlement agreement of the former 10 PAC schools and with the expenses that the two remaining schools have to pay for costs associated with previous operations and moving forward, they will be left with 11 million dollars together at most (although I have it more closely to being a piece). As you do accurately pointed out, they can’t touch any of the War-Chest so to speak until August 2026. I am 100 percent correct and libtard Democrats of the unpatriotic West Coast don’t like it. Canzano and Wilner are incompetent and incorrect as is this knucklehead here in ding-dong goof Spencer McLaughlin. It’s 65 million they might and just might be able to utilize some of that to maybe grab the entire WAC and then some other prominent FCS schools individually and recreate the PAC next summer; for as if an entire FCS conference moves up together to FBS or merger with an existing FBS conference completely, then the fee is not 5 million dollars per school to make jump because absorbing an entire conference. Now the FCS schools coming in to the PAC individually from MVC, Big Sky, Southland, Big West and maybe one from ASUN and have two years of the schools playing Olympic sports and compete in football though technically in transition and not eligible for postseason/bowls unless not enough teams. In the summer or June of 2026 the rebuilt PAC could then have interest and applications and acceptance of applications from established FBS schools from other G6/7 conferences and announcements that in July 2027 will be adding schools from MWC and AAC and SBC to get the PAC to 18-22 schools themselves. This timeframe timetable would allow the two PAC schools retain most of their settlements and then use to pay the penalties for poaching the current G5 conferences. The only things that would garner attention would the WAC be willing to be absorbed and would those schools and any other FCS schools added deter future expansion and additions from the MWC, AAC, SBC, and even MAC schools interested in joining a rebuilt PAC.
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Pac 2 doesn't have the money to poach enough MW teams.
They do. Sixty seven million would buy 6. That is what they have. So if they chose to do so, they could extend offers to San Diego State, Colorado State, Boise State, UNLV, and Air Force tomorrow if they wanted to do so. Plus one more. Or they could spend less and lure an AAC school such as UTSA or Rice. That stated, I find a MWC merger most likely, with the caveat that teams have a 2 season grace period to get their athletic budget over $60m per year. Right now only 4 MWC schools cross that threshold. So either way, buyout or grace period, the MWC to PAC won’t be all of the current schools.
@@DocSkirv Are you aware of the exit fees and the MW's poaching fees that the PAC 2 agreed to?
@@leonardlithen6787 100% aware. The schools walk away with $255m and have publicly stated that $67m is held aside for a potential rebuild.
@@DocSkirv The money is not enough for a rebuild. No network is backing up the Brinks truck for another G5 conference.
@@leonardlithen6787 doesn’t take a brinks back up, just takes a better tv contract via revenue then the one they have. I will go with prevailing expert opinion over yours, sorry.
Boise State dont deserve to play Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. They are from the WAC for crying out loud! Watch Oklahoma destroy this BSU WAC team!