@@CrashPCcz no our civilization was and will always be the peak of human evolution, especially the Germanic cultures. We dominated and helped the rest of the world in all fields of technology, medicine or philosophy. Without us they would life like their ancestors. Dont generalize all the members of our glorious civilization or discredit it
Yes, this question shouldn't even come up if you ever listen to Jordan Peterson talks about religion. Maybe it's for the other Muslims who will judge the guy if he had not asked it.
No not really when the religion tells you to invite everyone to it then you will do it. It’s just out of principle. I think you don’t understand why they’re inviting him
As a muslim I am so embarrassed by this guy asking Jordan Peterson something like that!!!!! He clearly knows nothing about the guy even after reading all his books and "doing his research"
This Muslim fellow seemed to use this platform to argue his Muslim point of view and the tell us the west is evil etc and Peterson's view was to suggest that religions who believe in one God need to unite and help mankind. Asking Peterson if he could prove to him there is a God reminded me of a car salesman ask if he met met my needs I should buy his car. These two are on two different missions. Just my 2 cents.
I met these type of guys before. They start with the idea that they at right and are personally offended but unable to defend their position. This rapids fire young guy claims Muslims don't believe in Judaism and Christianity etc, like the crucifixion and resurrection. But the Quran obliges muslims to accept the scriptures of the Jews and Christian faiths. . Both the crucifixion and resurrection are in Christian scriptures. In fact they are essential.
In reference to Jordan Peterson being an expert witness in a murder trial: "Justice Mainella was apparently so unimpressed by Peterson’s 'proposed expert evidence,' he expressed 'concern about the decision to attempt to proffer Dr. Peterson as an expert witness on areas that he was clearly not qualified.'" "The judge concluded that offering Peterson as an expert witness 'unnecessarily complicated and delayed the trial' and expressed concern about the 'detrimental impact on the justice system of attempting to use dubious expert opinion.'"
I love that they are like Network Marketers / Multi Level Marketing people. They don‘t listen to Jordan, they just talk about how good they are and then at the end they expect you do join their bad scheme.
As an aspiring Muslim myself, Peterson's interview with this "dude" was a whole different level of cringe. I'm shocked this guy even got an audience with JP. To think there are guys like me just daydreaming of such hours on the daily, and then to see this pompous self-declared know-it-all of Islam win the lottery... no words. The Islam I know and understand is far deeper and mysterious than a RUclipsr's "thinker-ness" portrayed by this glorified dorm-dweller.
Every time i hear a Muslim debate, it's like this. It's just a platform to spew their brainwashing. Convincing themselves. along with others. Listen to this debate, it's just him talking. When you talk you don't learn, you're not listening.
You're still making that assertion based on a video clip. It's a 2 hour conversation, Jordan Peterson talked alot before that as well. And even ironically said in the same conversation that he (JP) thinks he talks a lot.
@@Heaven-dy9lj no, that's not true, idk which conversation were you listening. First of all don't treat it as a debate. Peterson was invited in a mosque and for lunch... And they were discussing about multiple complex things in a short time. Voices are bound to overtake one another yet I didn't think there was any problem in that conversation. It was amazing.
@Islam Catholicism teaches quite clearly that Jesus is the son of God. And that you must go through him to reach God. Therefore, when he states in the video "We believe in Jesus", its untrue. You cannot worship the God of Abraham (as yourselves and the Jews do) and NOT believe that Jesus was the son of God who founded the Catholic Church. Who says "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." Who teaches "Love one another as I have loved you" So clearly Christianity and Islam and Jews worship different gods, one could claim its the same God, but it cannot be so. For the holy Trinity has existed always, since the beginning. Therefore, Christ existed. Furthermore, while Muhammed was alive, he did terrible things, things that go against God himself, therefore he can not be named a prophet, even if there were to be prophets after Christ
I'm not a Muslim, but you got it all wrong about them. Muslims DO believe in Jesus, they don't believe he was the "son" or "embodiment" of God on earth. But they believe he was born out of a miracle and that he was a prophet, that his faith is true and he is going to come back (If I got any part of my statement so far wrong, know that I'm born in a Muslim country, I'm telling you what "Muslims" know about your religion, which might not be necessarily true. ). He doesn't need evidence, he already believes you to be right and true. He just believes he is MORE right and true. So unless you can provide evidence of Muhammad nor being a prophet, it probably won't change anything.
Hey Muslim people if other religions ask you to convert to Hindu or christian etc , doesn't that annoys you all??...that's why stop asking others to convert
@ShariaFreeUK How do you mean? Don't those books outline the foundations of those religions? What's the basis to say they don't worship the same God when they have the same both have Abraham as the father of their religions?
That idiot Hijab has no EVIDENCE for his ‘God’ Allah, NONE!!!!!! ALL ‘Gods’ and Religions are all made up by MAN!!!!! That is why there are so many ‘Gods’ and Religions, ALL thought up by MAN!!!!! Religious people still CLAIM in 2022 that they talk to their ‘God’ and ‘God’ answers back which is deluded, ludicrous, ridiculous, laughable NONSENSE!!!!! Stay away from ALL Religions, it is ALL pathetic garbage.
There’s a reason why Muslim people and people of other faiths listen to Jordan’s lectures because the message resonates deeply to the core of our beliefs which transcends any faiths.
Oh my god Jordan is the saviour, the transcendent and all mighty psychologist who integrated Christian values to meanings that go far deeper than each religious per se and are consistent with our biology plus spirituality plus ethics. He is A GOD AMONG humanoid feminists and lazy younglings who are too resentful to clean THEIR ROOM. NOT Someone else's room not the world's room but their OWN room. Hail JP 🤡
Jordy "Resonates" with nobody! He's just a current curiosity (a flash n the pan). You, like 99+% of those who watch any RUclips videos he is on think he is some new sage because his garbled nonsense titillates ya! If you notice - many people he's shared the stage with in the past are now nowhere to be found. The reason being - They easily sense he's going over the edge and they do not want to contribute to his apparent fate which seems to be him Going Over a Cliff in the near future. Literally !
They cannot accept any variance from their rigid faith constructed by a soldier, who married his 9 year old niece, around 400 AD. Jordan wants to keep his head attached. In Iran, guided by their dangerous c*lt, the government, religious men, are murdering school girls, smashing their heads in, in front of their classmates. That is supposed to be a religion?
@@rdutch1958 A flash in the pan? for almost 8 years? with nobody? Can you read the comments, your the nobody, your the fraction of the percentage that thinks this..lol
He wasn’t trying to covert him, it was a question and you cannot covert if you hold no religious faith… Obviously you do not understand religion, you’re supposed to follow the truths not hearsay’s, facts over fiction and evidence of statement as that’s how you continue your religious growth, you’re Jewish, Christian as you’re a follower of God, praise to one God, a man of faith in translation muslim, praise to one God, everyone is already a Muslim…. Follow God
@@Incountry Lol! Really?! Declaring ALL Jewish Prophets and Kings that lived long before Islam, 'Muslims'? Or as you declare in your soft version of Replacement Theology, that following truth (obviously as you define it) is actually being 'Muslim'. Sorry, truth existed long before Islam. Long before the sword was used to murder & pillage from North Africa to the Indian sub-continent.
@@davidschalit907 Really..!!!! ….and that’s all you have..? Let me educate you on religion as it seems you follow morons on Facebook and repeat without comprehension or knowledge… Let’s start from the last.. So, the sword, King “Fredrickson” Charlemagne in the 8th Century murdered pagans, Muslims, Jews and any non-Christian’s that would not convert or pay a tax for them to continue to practice their beliefs, it consumed 30M lives in his reign of terror. The Moroccans stabilised the Mediterranean countries, civilised them and brought all religions to a community who lived for 500 years in peace, the Muslims looked after the Jews and the Christian’s until 1492 when the uprising of Christian’s forced them to leave and then came the time of the inquisitions and witch hunts, murdering millions again under the name of the church. Oh, the same happened when the Spanish conquistadors murdered, raped and pillage from the Indians of the America’s (not the non-indigenous ones) stole their gold for the Spanish monarchy in the name of the church once more. Vikings/Norse men murdered, raped, enslaved and pillaged across Northern Europe in the name of their Gods… North Africa wasn’t conquered by murder or pillaging it was the North Africans ( Libyans, Egyptians, Sudanese who went to the Arabian peninsula and seeked out the Islamic faith which was brought back to them, which then I turn went into Europe via Turkey, which evolved into the Islamic Ottoman Empire which once again brought peace across Eastern Europe and western Russia. Indus continent has been Islamic (as well as Hindhu) for over 1200 years not by conquest once again, because you don’t know it’s actual term we’ll just use your Indian sub-continent term, where do you think Buddha came from..?? The region of Pakistan, which was part of the Indus area. As I said earlier, the literal translation in Arabic Aramaic for man whom follows one God is the word Muslim, Allah / God, the term Allah was used by Christian’s and Jews across Europe until the time of Charlemagne which was translated by King James, the New Testament written in Greek and translated into English as well, then the word God was used. Islam isn’t new, it’s the oldest form of man serving one God, it’s from the beginning of all religions that stem from the abrahamic faiths predating Judaism as Abraham was an Islamic in the terms of One God only worship. If you cannot understand the terminology then maybe you’re lacking in the cerebral area, and I did not state “Declaring ALL Jewish Prophets and kings lived long before Islam, ‘Muslims’?, which in TRUTH is factual anyway… The Christian’s have been pushing their catholicity across Southern India, Indonesia, china, Vietnam, Japan, Malaysia, whole of Africa, including Somalia and Kenya, South America and Central America for 300 years… brutal punishment if you didn’t convert from your own religion. Read some more Facebook and watch bigoted YT videos to understand more or a religion you’re not.. You have a nice day now…
The Muslims here are not thinkers, they are preachers. They did what they are meant to do. They invited jordan Peterson to islam, he said no. They did their job and jordan did his.
@@FastFighta I reduce God likewise in the context of my mental possibilities, as soon as I try to imagine God. But while we are on the subject, one should make sure that delusions of grandeur can be ruled out as far as possible, so that no result comes about that ensures that, for example, people are killed in the name of God just because a bunch of lunatics believe that their rage is the rage of God.
He's answering JP by giving reference to Islam because Islam is a way of life. It is a guidance from God to all humanity and it should be preached. If you had a book or knowledge worth spreading for the benefit of humanity would you not promote it? Why does JP promote his books? Why do writers, for that matter, write books about life or whatver subjects, and then promote them.. or is it just because you don't like the fact that it's a religion being promoted ?
@@MrOmak90 No, he's not actually listening to what JP is saying, or answering what JP is asking. Instead his responses just boil down to preaching verses from the holy book. Assume all you want, I've read alot of verses from different holy books including yours. Muslims are not the only worshippers guilty of this, alot of followers of various religions always respond to questions (usually asking them to think for themselves) by just preaching. It's very frustrating to watch.
@@RedFormanOG just because he was giving reference to Quran doesn't mean he wasn't listening to what JP was saying. I think you're the one who wasn't listening. Also, JP isn't superior in any way here, his thoughts are all over the place. " what do you mean by "do" "you" "believe" . lol Serioulsy, you wanna complicate such as simple question JP? He's not the only intelligent person in the room is what I'm trying to say.
I mean, they were listening to each other with respect which is nice. However the lead question and the proofs of the Muslim man were not substantial enough to form any kind of meaningful discussion.
Encourage you to watch the entire interview… (warning it is a bit lengthy but worth the time) I found it to be one of the most fascinating and personally challenging discourses I seen in a very long time.
Selective proofs were given in haste as he seemed short on time. Needed more time to eleborate rather than point blank question. Also the proof is the city of Makkah and its connection with Abrahim and his wife and son Ishmail, how that city was established around the well of Zam zam where Abrahim built the alter today we know as Kabaa.
Being Muslim myself, I cringed a few times during this interview. It’s as if Dr. Peterson was talking about grand and universal subjects of unity between the People of the Book only for Mr. Hijab to quarrel around the minute. And when he, out of nowhere, invited him to convert, my toes curled. He became somewhat of a salesman.
@Spoidormon MH is a bit cringey in his approach and either doesn’t recognize JP’s reticence to becoming Muslim based on the negative perceptions in the West of Islam or doesn’t care… 🤦♂️ MH should have spent more time going over the similarities of Islam and Christianity then use the Holy Bible to explain how and where Islam relates to it.
@@spoidormon7958 no, he doesn't. While we all know in our hearts who and what God is, the gift given to us is to use our own metaphors to relate. The Abrahamic God as a stern old man with a long, white beard sitting in a chair, giving us lots of "thou shalt nots..." is only one metaphor. You prove your belief in God not by your futile attempts to describe God, but by your actions in the world. JP always relates along these lines.
I laughed when I heard him ask JP that question. The dude isn't even there to have a legit conversation with JP, and he isn't even listening to anything he's saying. It's really frustrating because I was hoping to understand how he thinks but he puts up his persona and continues to be arrogant and act like he's the "morally superior" one in the conversation.
All I hear JP waffling around, there is no substance or value he added to this discussion. For example if someone asked me would you accept x as the truth if evidence put forward ? My answer would yes or no with a rational explanation. He failed to provide any value to that conversation just lot of "what you mean by God or this or that" just embarrassing. And you talk about speaking about common ground and peace? What should they talk about? How's the weather in DC? What kind of animals you like to farm ? Lol just astonishing gulible romanticized stories you guys used to from JP that you don't even understand what an intellectual discourse looks like
I wonder what pushing we see here ? What if that question went to mohammmed hidjab ? In case jp asks wether he become a chrsitian providing the proof for that ! It's just a discussion of truthfullness of an argument, I think mohammmed hidjab , tried to open a question in the mind of jp , that's all
@@younesh.1861 I work on clarifying those who see màny likes on his comment, thinking he has it all , so they make a better judgement other than that I don't care
@@younesh.1861 And I think Jordan Peterson is fascinated by mohammmed and Islam as well , his feminine temperament in addition to his ageeablness is what is keeping him refrain him from thinking over choosing Islam ... Media made great job in portraying an image of the terrifying islam
And its so funny with that guy next to him, looking out into space like some executor right next to Hijab, that would be ready to kill JP if he said 'No' to the conversion
@@AaronGeller Hijab is arrogant caring more about his self-promotion and in converting Peterson. The three faiths have a common hand powerful enemy while Hijab only cares about himself. Not an ounce of humility in the entire interview.
I would actually say the same about JP. In this interview he was all over the place. The Muslim guy actually exposed how JP just talks and talks without having any solution and clear direction.
@@melanp4698 my friend, JP is like that on the topic of God and religion almost everywhere. He speaks just like a postmodernist. And stop saying it's a six minute question. We know that's all you got.
Wow this is amazing. You just did the same exact thing the muslim guy did on a whole other subject. And this is not any form of criticizing or something. Just thought it would be interesting to point out. And that is that you just took something that was probably going on somewhere inside of you and projected it onto that person because of the lack of input that we're receiving from the guy wich generally makes us come up with crazy stories about him. This can be seen whenever we see something vague or just don't have sufficient information about something and because or brain loves to come up with something even if there's no possible way to tell it often time comes up with something of our own. Now the muslim did the exact same thing only that what was subject of his try of coming up with a simple explanation in the face of something inherently vague was not a person but in fact his scripture wich then can be utilized and instrumentalised in a direction favorably of his belief system. In that case the "indisputable" prophetic nature of his holy scripture. And yes I got that it was a joke it was just an interesting connection.
As an Iranian female, that was born and raised in Iran.... I wish ppl would truly look into Islam and the RED FLAGS. Dr. Jordan Peterson can discuss ANYTHING w anyone 💚✌️
Peace for Iran. I think Jordan must see the red flags, he has studied totalitarian ideologies which brought about hell by promising utopia. The question is how to productively engage with Muslims who aren't yet consumed with intolerance and ideological blindness.
The reason people listen to Peterson more than the religious people is because he doesn't try to convert them. He just outlines the messages and how they pertain to reality/life, then moves on. What you intend to do after hearing him is entirely up to you.
LOL! And what you DID do before hearing him was entirely up to you! Anyway - Your opening sentence is vague. Were you implying "more people" listen to Pete than Parishioners listen to their Ministers? If you were, then you are very sadly mistaken.
@@GStones58 strange response, the gist of what I'm saying people prefer dialogue that leaves room for autonomy. The message can be binding but it's presented in such a way that you're allowed to reflect and think for yourself.
And exactly what message would that be? Let me ask you a question - after listening to many J.P. rants - Do you think he believes in a real God entity. ( In case you ask - I say he does not! )
@@GStones58 Jordan quotes biblical stories and simply breaks down life lessons from it, he is not in the frame of a religion itself but the wisdom of it. Anyone can use religious wisdom without being a convert. 🤷🏾♂️
Well, if you look at countries where sharia has been imposed, it can be argued that they have regressed. Women's rights are negligible. Freedom of expression is a serious offence. Freedom of religion in unthinkable. Democratic gov't is a thought best kept secret. And yet they declare themselves enlightened and progressive not to mention scientifically advanced.
what would make you go back to the stone age? believing in god? praying 5 times a day? helping the poor? fasting? I am a proud muslim and i don't see that the quality of my life has been decreased.
@@medieum I prefer a God that is honest about human capacity to not commit sin, i.e. by saying "you guys want the Law? Here it is. You can't meet my standards. I know. That's because I'm God. You know what? I'll come to you, as one of you, and I'll fulfill the demands of the Law, so you won't have to die or go to hell because of your imperfections. All of this so we can be close to each other again. The only thing you have to do as a human is acknowledge that I did this, and we're good. That's what grace is." This in contrast to a God that says "if you want to get to heaven, here's what you must do. You'll spend your entire life pondering whether you've scored enough points for me to like you, let alone love you".
dialogue is good but 'will you convert to islam if I show you evidence' is a very stupid question. it doesn't work that way. people don't convert to religions on a debate. you can discuss but don't ask people if they will convert. it is not your business. leave it to people.
Yeah. As an aspiring Muslim, that was super cringe for me to watch. There are so many cringe moments in this interview, I'm surprised it was even uploaded.
@@Erqin He's just someone who's worked hard to acquire some certificates ABOUT a religion. It's obvious that he's not familiar with the mystical arts, and doesn't really understand the religion itself. He's just read about it. A lot. lol
@@ZONEDINN528 Unfortunately, as a person who’s been raised by Muslims throughout his entire life, this is just commonplace. There is simply a lack of understanding of character and others’ life experiences. They treat Islam as though it is some kind of sale. I had a friend once tell me after he got his girl pregnant, that he had to marry her and convert her to Islam and that it was good “deen” to get people to convert. (Or something along those lines) The marriage soon failed and she was no longer Muslim. When I asked him why that was the case, he claims “Shaitan” convinced her to sin. Absolutely fucking ridiculous, the way they’ve been taught to think, ignorance and superstition runs their brains. He has never “converted” her in the first place, and in fact, it’s an even greater sin to claim you’ve converted anyone without knowing the truth! How can you know if a person has converted?! You got her to wear a hijab, marry you, pray multiple times, recite some Surah, join the local mosque but you believe that purely performance of Islamic duties makes you a Muslim?! No, it requires a deep understanding and devotion to become a Muslim. One must be ready in their heart of hearts to become a true Muslim. Not some simple recitation, or performance of Islamic duties. Anyone can fake that for a period of time.
@@ashrafthegoat I agree completely. Even if someone's doing these things thinking they're sincere, they don't know what the subconscious is up to. It's not just something to believe and then die. You live that relationship in your thoughts, even in your dreams!
If you watch him elsewhere on yt, you'll find that, when engaged with someone at Speaker's Corner or debating in a more formal setting, his presentation is loud and non stop. His listening skills are poor at best. I do think he enjoys hearing himself speak. He may be doing his cause more harm than good.
@@justm188 yeah especialy when he tries to educate young people and has a lot emphaty toward them. Tries to bring low cost education etc. Seriously you know nothing about him. There is quote that says : Allah doesn't judge the way we judge. He doesnt look at the outside. He looks at the heart. So ask yourself if your statements are right
Christianity is way different than Islam. I’ve lived in a country where both religion are practiced. All I can say is, Islam is where I don’t want to be in. There is always violence behind it.
@@lapamful "they behave" Who is 'they' my guy, am assuming you mean Muslims. Am a Muslim and I dont force my things in to others, dont put me with that guy.
Isn't it great when someone asks a question and then talks over the person answering to "explain" or give further evidence why their own answer to the question is the only correct answer?
@@mohamedmakalou8950 Hijab can't have a discussion. Watch his debate with Wood. He can't read or listen and makes up imaginary arguments that were never brought forward in the first place.
Absolutely right mate What this even is , calling a person you 'respect' and just speaking about your religion for all this time. Why there is a sense of desperation and urgency in there eyes to make them realise something that they believe. He is a smart man , he knows how these things go , no need to tell him that.
He did even said very politely that what they were preaching may not really what the message from prophet was because it's not uniting anyways. And the man continues to speaks what he intends to without listening or understanding a single word he was saying. Were you there to make a conversation or sell your thing man. People aren't listening you anyways if you hijack conversation like this.
@@imampula3154 The evidence is in Islam's long history of the misstreatment of women and religious intolerance; does the name Charlie Hebdo ring a bell?
Well as a woman your opinion, thoughts, and desires are irrelevant, meaningless, noise to Muslim men. After all, it wasn't that long ago the camel was more important than you.
@@Milestonemonger those are their tennants, not mine. They surgically alter female children so they think women can't enjoy sex that way they won't leave their worthless men for someone better. They can stand on their doorstep and shout three times I divorce her I divorce her I divorce her and she's legally divorced. Only allowed to take what she can carry and no children. If she gets raped it's ALWAYS her fault LEGALLY. I I remember seeing a video of a woman buried to her neck in gravel being stoned because she was an adulteress due to her being gang raped by multiple Muslim men. So my thoughts are as follows: For the life of me I cannot understand why every man that treats women this way is not dead. I mean all men sleep sometime right? I can't imagine a real household anywhere it doesn't have a drawer full of knives, heavy cast iron skillets and pans, maybe a cricket or a baseball bat, or at least a big rock from the yard.
1 of the 2 is there to poke holes in the other's religion and beliefs, and the other is there to to learn and find commonality to effect peace. JP had moments when his patience was tested, but dealt with it like an absolute gentleman. Brilliant and wise.
As a Muslim, I agree 100%. This was so cringe. Please don't let idiots like this guy fool you into believing that it's the religion's fault. These imposters with degrees but zero relationship with the essence always ruin things for everybody else. They just learn a lot ABOUT a religion, and then set themselves up as representatives. If anything, this guy has just learned some talking points. His personality is clearly worlds apart from the saints that actually carry the true embodiment of any sacred lineage.
@@ZONEDINN528 Believe me, I know. I've from childhood had many Muslim friends who truly live their faith and although on many different topics we may have different perspectives, we've always respected and appreciated each others views and moerso even been able to learn from each other. In Christianity we believe a statement of Jesus, " In my Father's house there are many mansions.", from this I take - There is a place in God's kingdom for all of us. I can't imagine that anyone who practises their faith to the best of their ability (irrespective of which one it may be), would not find God's favour.
I'm Muslim and absolutely love Mr. Jordan Peterson. Doesn't matter what religion he belong to, he has inspired millions and will always be a great man.
Good that you love this brilliant man but then you should reject Islam as he does. He knows it imprisons the mind and severely oppresses women, says it enslaves them.
Short answer: if I have reached a level of understanding that's around the same as Priests, Rabbis, Muslim leaders, Religion Intellectuals, etc WITHOUT being within a certain religion then why do I need to convert?
If you have sinned, your knowledge cannot save you, the same as it cannot save me. Such is the bias. Surely we shall both die. Surely we shall both have to face the end. None suggest conversions, but a man must suggest that before you die a sure death you should put your house in complete order. However you choose to meet your master, if you have one at all, is entirely up to you. In the seconds you’ve read this alone you’ve had to decide, should I meet my master prepared, or should I meet him unprepared! Hence the use of the word vigilance!
@@topenterclips there are sinful religious people and there are "clean" atheists. I don't believe in the spiritual transcedental afterlife so I don't know if we can get to an agreement without debating, what I can tell is that same statement you told about knowledge can also be applied for religious people. Many priests in Vatican were pedophiles, they can repent but the occurrences were consistent. To repent a sin is a human action motivated by shame created by social pressure, nothing transcedental, bro.
@@johnloving9401 again, you don't NEED a big label that have countless controversies throughout history to acknowledge your limitations. Humility is an attitude, not a decision related to converting into a specific religion.
@Laurence O'Connor I can take two degrees and be a "Christian Scholar" myself. Doesn't mean my dumb, superficial take on things and my un-integrated personality I bring to the discussion qualifies my opinions and behaviors as canonic Christianity. Remember, every religion's true flag-bearers are the mystics, and saints. Not the church. Prophethood, sainthood, friends of God (Awliya in Arabic), and so forth... that is the true system of actual, living human relationship with the Divine. Living human beings working with angels to serve God on Earth, serve God's creation, in silence, across time and space, worlds and dimensions, across planes of consciousness. THAT is where religions are rooted. This is just a dude who went to school and learned ABOUT Islam. Huge difference.
MH is a master chef when it comes to making word salads. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad.
We have two different people approaching these questions from different perspectives. The Muslim seeks to simplify the world with a confidence that there are absolutes truths to the world. Jordan perspectives is that he is cautious of these absolute truths and seeks to understand and attempt to find some truth. It is a difficult discussions because one is so sure of himself., whereas Jordan is treading carefully into the "unknown". I'm guessing its a difference in personality that makes for these different perspectives... In other words, to simplify what I am trying to say - They both speak different languages of thinking. This is not a critique but an observation of how I think this conversation went.
The difference is one is willing to change their mind and learn. The other won't back down from ideologically fused beliefs. In the past when hijab has made obvious mistakes, egregiously misquoted someone, he just tried to hide and lie about his error. He is too wrapped up in his public image to grow much as a person. (The famous "Allah prays FOR Mohammad, not TO Mohammad" saga)
@@phun1901 because the word صل has three meanings, its primary meaning is connection, which it has different functions, if I want to say I want to connect to someone it would be known as تواصل, so in other words Hijab was right on that issue, it doesnt mean God prays to the Prophet Muhammad صَلَّى ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ but rather that he strengthens the Prophet Muhammad's صَلَّى ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ connection to Himself (God, The Exalted).
@@rayanmakarem4327 🤦♂️ ok. Wow. 🤦♂️ Here's the thing. David never once. Not once. Ever. Said that Allah prays to Mohammad. Okay? Every single time he pointed out that it is strange that Allah needs to pray for him. For him. Say it with me. "For" him. David translated it the correct way every single time. And Hijab didn't realise - or he knew perfectly well he was misquoting and misrepresenting David. (Which is quite easy to believe tbh.) Go watch it again if you don't believe me. It is honestly mindboggling to me that Muslims still dont understand that hijab misquoted David. Then later Hijab was confronted about it, his repeated mistake, and do you know what he tried to say? He said "he meant Allah *praise* for Mohammad". He is so wrapped up in his ego that he refused to admit the way he bungled it, and that he had misheard or misquoted David. Honestly, that is trait narcissism right there, the inability to admit a mistake.
@@phun1901 I agree that Hijab is too high on his horse he needs to step down please. I think David should have clarified even further because what hes saying is pure tautology, saying that Allah needs to pray to The Prophet is the same as saying that Allah does pray to The Prophet (which is a logical absurdity and also not true by any scriptoral sense), since the statement "needs to pray for" means that it is absolutely necessary, which deduced from this the particular: "Does pray" and this is again because of the statement "needs to pray." David if he did not mean this then he has horribly worded it, he needs to re word it because what he says is tautological.
@@rayanmakarem4327 just to clarify, David never said Allah prays to Mohammad. He prays to someone, on behalf of Mohammad. But the thing is Allah prays unto someone. So I don't see why you still talk about "Allah prays to Mohammad", no-one has ever implied Mohammad was the person to whom Allah was praying. Pointing this out is primarily a rejoinder to Muslims pointing at Jesus prays to God the Father. Which is isn't that complicated, but often Muslims have attempted to ridicule Jesus divinity over it. Pointing out that the Quran says Allah prays FOR Mohammad to someone (anyone at all) shows that's hypocritical for Muslims to say.
Why would I believe the ramblings of people who had a fundamentally poorer understanding of the world than we do today. Islam was a political, military and economic force at a time when it was most required in that specific region of the world at that time. That it was apparently the will and word of ‘God’ was incredibly convenient to the success of that endeavour…
Lmao, you sound like a colonizer speaking about natives and black people. Great to see how far we’ve come in terms of wisdom and understanding. “You come from this part of the world so I’m going to categorically ignore what you have to say and automatically assume that I understand more about how the world works because I’m so wise compared to you due to coming from the west”
@@nightgoggles9931 erm, sorry to break it to you but you’ve simply projected your own argument on to mine. Mine has absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity (which I never mentioned) and everything to do with time. Islam was ‘constructed’ in a time period in which all peoples had a fundamentally poorer understanding of the world, biology, science, the universe and so on than we do today. Their ramblings were self evidently constructed in that mindset and were of that time. They offer little in the way of actual insight beyond some potentially useful (or not) moral tales. But when it comes to the concept of our place in the universe, and the chance of their being a ‘God’ or creator - they offer pretty much zero.
@@rare6499 Ah, they teach science my guy. They know people have been to the moon. You act like like they have lived in a cave for a thousand years when their countries would be way more economically advance if countries from the west weren’t continuously sending soldiers there. And you are talking about specific ethnic groups when you’re talking about Muslims from the Middle East. It’s like Columbus saying he didn’t make it specifically about native North Americans because he was including Central Americans. Like you’re still categorically acting as if you’re above the natives because you have an understanding of guns when they only know how to make spears. I also think it’s the same arrogance and ignorance that the colonizers had that causes you to view them as having less of an understanding. People in the west can’t even figure out what gender they are, everyone is medicated, everyone is lonely, the west has destroyed dating and the family unit, etc and you’re acting as if we understand how the world works so much better. Their culture has survived thousands of years and liberalism in the west is already collapsing inward on itself after a few decades but we know so much better than them about what’s good for our species long term? Take any immigrant from the Middle East and give them the same opportunities as Americans have and it’s almost guaranteed that they on average will outperform Americans academically and professionally. To act as if you’re above, more intelligent, and have more a better understanding of the world and the human experience than them solely based on them being a Muslim so you can justify categorically dismissing the perspectives of 1.8 billion people makes you seem ignorant af. Make the same argument against Christians while you’re at it
@@nightgoggles9931 You seem to want to compare people from the Middle East with Americans. In which case, tot up the achievements, then get back to us..... if you want to judge people by your own logic....
@@nightgoggles9931 that sure is a lot of words for someone who has fundamentally misunderstood the point I’ve made. Even after I clarified the point for you, it seems to have gone over your head. I’m not going to even address most of the points you’ve raised because they are totally irrelevant to my original statement. But feel free to have some kind of bizarre debate with yourself over it.
No pork, no alcohol, only halal food, pray five times a day and go to the mosque on Fridays, must spend a ton of money to go on the haj, must wear the hijab if you are a woman, must fast one month a year... sure, sounds like a good deal to me!
It’s a great lifestyle. No premarital sex and accompanying drama, healthier lifestyle with no drugs or alcohol, fasting benefits during Ramadan, Helping the Poor and Needy, Respecting Women and not treating them as sex objects, washing yourself daily. I could go on. These are universal values. Discipline is freedom.
The sad thing is you will never know how liberating it is to follow the guidance of Islam. Satan makes everything that’s evil look appealing whilst everything that’s good look boring and difficult.
Yet all those things are beneficial for you. Whatever God commands is because it is good and for your own good and whatever he forbids is because it is bad/evil and bad for you. That's a great deal! And the reward for your efforts, in a life and a place of good and evil, is everlasting good! No hardship, no struggle, no pain, no troubles! Sounds like the best deal (especially considering the alternative!)
A book not contradicting itself is not a particularly high bar to meet and to present that as proof that a book is the word of God is to be easily impressed
It contradicts it self 100 times. The first one is denying Jesus Christ as God in the Flesh. Islam will never except that. As Jesus Christ taught one message. Islam come 600 years later after that.
@@WizzRacing It's not a self-contradiction, but contradiction of the mainstream Christian interpretation of what Jesus represented. A self-contradiction means saying one thing, but perfectly contradicting it with another statement, in context. Go ahead, other 99?
@@ZONEDINN528 did you know that the religions (not saying this is the case for islam cause i am not completly sure) have throughout time been altered and the «message» has been modified so that certain values that corresponds with society is promoted? Cuts of the bible are now part of the gospel for example. Could the same be said about Quran and the hadiths? I guess my question is: how certain are you that your book is THE book of truth and life when you truly don’t know the origin or how (if) its been modified? Do you CHOSE to BELIEVE?
When it comes to intereligious dialogue. NEVER take a Muslim apologists claim of other respected non Muslims appraisal of Islam at face value as proving anything . There's usually always a caveat they neglect to mention or heed themselves. Further Muslim apologists cannot argue the Muslim faith on its own merits. They cannot seem do so without denigrating other beliefs and do so with dishonesty or ignorance.
That goes for any opinion, love. Don't need to be so angry about that. lol This guy's a moron, don't let his personality be a reflection of the religion he follows. I'm a Muslim, and even I thought that the way he conducted himself was... series of cringe moments.
@@ZONEDINN528 No anger on my part but I've watched many Islamic apologists over the years. And I've yet to see one who champions Islam without heavily denigrating early Judaism and Catholicism. Its almost like they need to try to disprove what came before in order to validate what came from Muhammad. Mormans are no different in this regard.
Can you define an "apologist"? Is that term denigratingly dismissive? Is your original comment denigrating? I'm not defending this guy by any means, but you seem to have a hard mindset about Muslims. Just curious.
As an ex-Muslim, I beg you Jordan NOT to convert to Islam, or to any religion if I may. I can only speak for my experience though. I started practicing Islam in the winter of 2016, after having been a non-practicing aspirant/appropriator (picking and choosing as I pleased) for the last year. I was deeply convinced that the Qur'an was truly the word of God, and not just mere human assumptions about God, and thus I had to take it bloody serious from now on. I immediately enlisted the help of other brothers who had been practicing for several years, studied abroad, in Medina and other places. They were all from the same city as me, and a couple of them also white converts like me. Everything immediately went to hell for me. I was forced to wake up in the middle of the night to pray fajr, every single night for 4 years in a row, until I finally in 2020 started getting stuck in bed all day, lying awake, exhausted (I've been having chronic fatigue since February 2020, much like you Jordan in 2018). Along the way I came across Islamic prohibitions like e.g. music and anger. Since when did a feeling like anger become haram, and besides that something that’s otherwise ikhtilaf (meaning, scholars have different opinions, leaving it basically halal because all scholars have to agree something’s haram)? During my first 2 years of Islam, I was severely depressed, and later on I found it increasingly difficult to make wudu and the prayer (all 5 that is). I had daily, paralyzing anxiety about whether they were completed perfectly or not, and they took in total 2-3 hours each day for me to be sure they were completed (religious OCD in other words). I had to hold my bladder and rectal gas for too long just to preserve the wudu, which caused urinary tract infection and hemorrhoids. I was also pressured by my closest friends at the time, who I now became dependent on for the correct interpretation of Islam, to marry a Muslim woman who went to the same junior high school as me (at the same time as me), where life was a different kind of hell (her female friends bullied me etc.). This woman was the biological sister of 2 of these brothers, who were a bit older than me. It never led to anything, and I've had no interest in marriage since. Perhaps necessarily, Islam completely depleted all my chances at female relationships at all. Don't wanna sound like an incel cause I ain't one, you know the school shooter type who blames women for all the worlds' problems. I'm very self-sufficient and self-made. That's largely why I became a Muslim in the first place, but that's also why I was able to leave. Many of those I hung with and followed on RUclips were fuckboys in their past and are now doing life WOP in Islam. They have to have a wife or else they'll get swallowed by all the women of the world, at least that's what they said would happen to me besides Jahannam. That's why they believe the hijab is mandatory for women like in Iran. But I can handle myself much like I did in my pre-Islam days, and I sure can now.
I just can’t get beyond the violent acts of the so-called final prophet. He proclaimed himself as the final prophet and killed many who did not believe him.
From strict acheological evidence theres not much to support the claim that he killed many of his opponents. From a historical perspective, majority of those who were killed during the time of the Prophet صَلَّى ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ were Muslim fighters, and the death toll (highest) is estimated 1,300 deaths, which is TINY for the conquest of an entire region. Hardly any of the military expeditions had violence.
Correct, and listen carefully what he says after that because that is really important why he is not interested when Hijab tries to convince him to convert to Islam.
The Islamic conception of God is insufficient. Allah only loves those that love him. The God of the Bible loves even those that hate him. That is a greater love by far.
Well then like that you can call weathermen as prophets(God forbid). You dont see the different between prophecy and prediction. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said things of future that were almost impossible to occur.
@@spoidormon7958 And this is where believe comes into play. Because people have a different view and idea about it. I'm pretty sure there were/are countess people making prophecies that beome or might become reality one day. Since I am not a religious people in the traditional understanding, I don't like to use the term prophet or prophecy.
@@3g3q5 @Level UP I see what you mean. So u can not use the word prophecy, from prophecy what I mean is something that was not likely to occur but it occured. Islam said almost impossible things about future and as also mentioned in the video u can see that how there was also a timeframe or period given and if that period was finished and what was said didnt occur then prophet Muhammad would have been declared a falsi prophet on spot which obviously didnt happen. And there is not just one prophect but many. And you were saying abiut other people making prophecies. I dont know of any other person who made prophecies about future like this and didnt play a guessing game or said based things on what was more likely to happen. Saying something what is almost impossible to occur and it occurs, and not making just one prophecy rather a lot and also situation where timeframe is given and etc etc is a perfect proof of someone's honesty and that he/she is backed or supported by God. And I am not saying all this from a theological perspective rather simple logic and reasoning. I would also really recommend you a book called "The forbidden Prophecies" by Abu Zakariya which also compares the difference between the false prophecies and true people and much more.
Distinguish between prophecy and self-fulfilling prophecy. If the Islamic conquest had failed no one now would talk about these 'prophecies'. These prophecies are calculated chance and were based on intent. This counts for all 'prophecies' in all major religions. It's a blueprint for the disciples to make them act upon.
For some context, There is a plethora of prophecies, some of which you could argue were based on intent, others objectively could not have been intent based, the main point is all of these prophecies have played out with the exception of none, that is our proof.
Not a big deal....... "those" guys ask that question all over the UK, at your school, at your place of work, in your prisons, at the gym.... even the local taxi/uber guy will say this to you.
What do you mean exactly that he gets it? There is no 50% Muslim or 30% or “Muslim enough”, either you are a Muslim, meaning you believe in Allah as your only god and Muhammad as his last messenger or not 🤷🏿♂️.
@@iTzAnger Untrue, some people deem Muslims that eat pork or consume alcohol to not be Muslim at all or to only be 50% Muslim. In Albania the population is mainly Muslim however they still drink alcohol, eat pork, etc.
@@Gen7486 doesn’t matter what people think, does it say in the Quran or in hadeths that eating pork will get you out of the fold of Islam? If no then you are still Muslim, if yes then you are not Muslim, nothing in between 🤷🏿♂️. A sinning muslim is still a muslim, not 70 or 50% muslim.
@@Gen7486 people actions and take from the Quran or which society/nation/persons reasoning to follow/NOT follow laws and rules SET by the Quran; DOES NOT MAKE IT OKAY. Because than we would the same problems as Christians; changing and different versions and resets of rules to fit the trend wants and desires of men(meaning anyone could come along be it king or a power hungry lawmaker etc even women of influence could change it how they feel) knowing how flawed the human being can be and perspective/view of something can alter over time or over emotions….anyways point is the rules and governs it all; never changed to fit the societies then and will not change to “fit” societies now. Choosing to follow it is up to your iman. Not picking pieces of it and saying I am Muslim. That’s a cop out. Half-assing it so to speak. Which people today often have this pick and drop after the trend dies down or bored of it or too hard to be discipline. IE cheat day, I love pork so I can’t give up that, I am vegan but on weekends I’ll indulge….this mindset of given yourself a break or no one can judge me, I am Muslim but I will mess around out of marriage and drink 🍺 but nobody can say I’m not a Muslim 😑 which nobody should. Projection /defense mechanisms to to shift any self reflection on your sins and behavior and blame everything else or use it as an excuse to correct and discipline yourself to follow the faith properly is PROBLEM
Hijab is a very close minded person and yes he does represent the majority of Muslims. They have become a close minded group. Dr Peterson should have a conversation with Firaz Zahbi instead. Hijab is a pain to watch abd listen to. Exceptionally bad speaker
@@user-nn5kk7gm8d so people shouldn't like others based on kindness, ethical standards and intelligence. Only like people if they belong to your flock. You sound like a zionist
@@user-nn5kk7gm8d because not everything is based on religion? He is a psychologist with his own background, why should you even bother someone questioning such stuff
@@user-nn5kk7gm8d many people already believe in islam and won't convert because of social backlash. Not saying that's the case here but from muslims pov we know many ppl won't convert no matter what so we move on
He understands JP is so respected and intelligent, having him a Muslim would convert more people into Islam. As if it's a slap in the face that someone like JP isn't a Muslim.
One thing I realised about Mohammed Hijab and JP briefly referred to it, although quite tactfully during their whole discussion is that he lacked the ability to just have an intellectual logos with JP. Quite a few of his ideas seemed to be a direct quote of the scripture, quote and translate, in which there is nothing wrong with but it makes it sound like he does not truly understand the meaning of his own ideology or he does not know how to communicate that to his audience maybe because he is trying to sound intelligent and well knowledgeable. I am sure he fully grasps the idea he is trying to convey but it takes a lot out of this conversation especially if his style is to Preach to JP when you have the ample opportunity to delve into the true understanding of the meaning each party discusses. He is definitely a traditional debater, ready to refute any argument in quick succession, (I quote, although paraphrasing, "let me push back on this". His favourite sentence) but that's not his audience. Jonathan Pageau seemed uninterested in having that back and forth, probably was hoping for something more (I might be wrong though :D ). What y'all think?
well no, if religion is true, and he is in the wrong one, then he goes to hell. If u csare about ur friendship, u wouldnt want ur friends to go to hell right? So u should try to convert ur friends
@@harrentoben2351 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣its far better than marvel comics funniest sh* t i heard recently... Nowadays muslims are in disguise of tyese European names... Why... Afraid someone think that u as a suic*de bomber..... Bloody terro*ist...allahufukbar
@@Ryan-lf6ds yeah dumb dumb koran mentions stories on Jesus and mother marry and Roman. But no where does it mention Persians and Roman battling and Romans winning. People just decided that “oh they meant Persians”.
@@sorhanft Don't worry daddy can, sunsh ine. Quran 30:2-5 The Romans have been defeated. 3. In a nearby territory. But following their defeat, they will be victorious. 4. In a few years. The matter is up to God, in the past, and in the future. On that day, the believers will rejoice. 5. In God’s support. He supports whomever He wills. He is the Almighty, the Merciful. Cry less, ma child.
I’ve discussed islam A LOT with many muslims. And the only conclusion I’ve ever reached about Muhammed is that he was a brilliant businessman. (All muslims will tell you this) I’ve also spoken to many religious people and I’ve come to the conclusion that religion is INSANELY lucrative.
So let me translate Islam, You believe all other religions are false. Therefore your religion is the only ONE religion. There is your "FALSEHOOD". You contradicted yourself by speaking ill on others. That is not the path to true enlightenment. You my friend, are only looking for excuses in religion.
@Island Man I like that. Is that for real? I've never graced the Holy Lands. I would hate to condemn a brother, and not know. I believe only one true intity knows, which one that is my faith tells me Catholicism. I follow that path, but I ultimately do not know. And, peace and love are what bring us closer to One True God, not division and war. That's good stuff, brother. Amen
Correct. God is not like humans, He has no children. He is Perfect and Incomparable, separate from His Creation. It is inconceivable to the human mind that God could be a human because we know humans are imperfect and God is perfect.
He just kept talking over JP. His behavior would be one of many reasons why I would never convert to Islam, although the most important reason for me would be how they oppress their women
Even a broken clock is right twice a day… I don’t see how being right about some predictions of the future should be in itself a sufficient argument to compel anyone to convert. JP wanted an answer as of how Islam was a better platform for the betterment of the world in comparison to any other..
Muslims have been discouraged by Islamic speakers and scholars, from reading the old and new testament: the best source of information for the prophets they believe in. This is a great disservice to Muslims.
As a Muslim I agree with you as the Quran only mentions in passing many prophets who’s prophethoods are more fully detailed in the Holy Bible. I’ve benefited greatly in my understanding of the Quran by studying the Bible and I encourage other Muslims to do so also. Unfortunately there are too many Islamic preachers who themselves don’t understand stories in the Bible and therefore discourage others from studying because they’re afraid the laypeople will become confused…
@@moosa86 I know what I believe and the Bible is the best prelude of truth. The west is a mess without the Biblical foundation of truth. Islam isn't the answer for the west. We will not agree on some things, but provocation, baiting someone, isn't the answer. It doesn't change anything. Personally I think that Islamic based countries would be better moving to an orthodox Christian way, but not the way the west is now, because it's a chaotic mess.
They memorize ancient texts, they quote, and quote, and quote, interrupt, quote, ... as if it proves something. It's faith. Stop imposing it on others.
I think the reason he doesn't get a super strong reaction from "protestants" is because we believe in Jesus alone. And, although Jordan says a lot of "Christian things," he (as far as I know) has not trusted Christ as his Lord and Savior. Therefore, he does not have the indwelling Holy Spirit, and is wise in the wisdom of the world, but not wise necessarily in godly wisdom. You have to know The Creator first, and then everything else makes sense.
@@zephyrjmilnes Hello Zephyr, I am referring to what he said in his interview, he said he does not really get much reaction out of "protestants". I can only go by the group of Christians I know, and if someone rejects Jesus Christ as God, and denies Him as Lord and Savior, then the person still a child of darkness.(John 8:44) Without the Holy Spirit, we cannot understand the things of God.( 1 Corinthians 2:14) While Jordan says a lot of great things, that are rooted in Biblical principles, he is not born again. (As far as I know, last I checked) Every Christian wants him to be saved. He clearly feels pain for the consequences of sin, but is still rejecting The Savior.
“He does not have the in dwelling Holy Spirit?” - how can one know this? Beware of playing God. The great commission is to profess the Word, plant the seed, not to judge it or any outcome. Out of everything that is said I’m understanding your take away is that God isn’t moving in Peterson heart. I can say or point to evidence that his actions show otherwise but that would also be to judge. Fractions don’t only exist among Muslims but among Christians, Americans and all people who begin with the premise that God isn’t in the other person’s heart. We are all Gods children, imperfect but His.
@@benzemaballondor3920 If you would've read carefully, you would've read that I said; "as far as I know"...meaning he has not made a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ. "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."- John 3:36.... The only way to be saved, and to be born again(John 3) is to believe on Jesus Christ. If you read The Bible you will see we are not ALL Gods children, (John 8:44) we are children of the devil until we are grafted into Gods family through the cross. Romans 5: 10- "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." We are Gods enemy until we make peace with Him through Jesus Christ. Colossians 1:20 "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled"
As a Protestant that was my first thought; we are very afraid to look up to anyone because we know of man’s flawed and sinful nature. We have the Son ❤
"I am a muslim and I believe this and that" "I am a christian and I believe" "I am a jew and I believe" The definition of belief is to accept something to be true without having proof. The point being - whatever we believe, we do not KNOW. The stronger the belief, the higher the arrogance and ignorance. Beliefs start wars, and it has always been like that. We must all see through our own personal beliefs whatever they are, if we we wish to start living.
Lol, Hijab is inviting them in some way to consider being Muslims. Oh yeah, Please! Be a Muslim so that you, your descendants and the descendants of your descendants cannot actually choose again to be anything else, and maybe once they're trapped inside a belief system that they can never escape, they too will begin to be apologetic about it.
@@MrOmak90 not really! A large proportion of Muslims would actually leave or change their minds if they have the freedom and weren't afraid of Islam's fucking death sentence.
@@blazingamr not true. People can leave Islam too. But if you are in an Islamic country and you get caught doing things that are against Islam, then you will get punished for sure. ( I don't know the rulings exactly..) but that's just like any other country where they punish people for disobeying the law.
@@jerryfisher6134 I know he’s not Muslim - but when Muslims don’t even bother to look up Dastur al-Madinah and start they way Muhammad saws. established Islam - that’s the reason I agree on this one statement from Peterson. The golden age was a product of the greatest government made by Rasoolilah saws. and no one is bothering to even study it.
I do Appliance and Refrigeration repair. During a repair to a Muslim house, myself and the husband and wife talked. They said we need the oven fixed for Ramadan. As I worked I asked about Ramadan. They explained to me what they do and what they believe and why Ramadan is important. They then asked me about Easter and why Easter was so important to Christians. We had a very good chat and maybe a little better understanding of each other. When I left, Oven was ready!
Short answer to converting to Islam: no
Longer answer: hell no.
What type of idiots jordans fans are lol. Hijab asked if jordan would accept the truth, he said no.
Well, in light of current state of west, it becomes to be much closer to being viable option. Our civilisation is in such bad shape...
@@CrashPCcz all you buddy. Woke current western culture sucks but no way would I trade it for hell on earth.
@@CrashPCcz Because the west despises religion and christianity.
@@CrashPCcz no our civilization was and will always be the peak of human evolution, especially the Germanic cultures. We dominated and helped the rest of the world in all fields of technology, medicine or philosophy. Without us they would life like their ancestors.
Dont generalize all the members of our glorious civilization or discredit it
If you’re asking Jordan Peterson if he will convert to your religion then you are really missing a lot of what he’s saying
Yes, this question shouldn't even come up if you ever listen to Jordan Peterson talks about religion. Maybe it's for the other Muslims who will judge the guy if he had not asked it.
No not really when the religion tells you to invite everyone to it then you will do it. It’s just out of principle. I think you don’t understand why they’re inviting him
That’s because Jordan Peterson is saying a lot of nothing. He has no beliefs.
I think people are missing the point of Islam. Muslim means slave for a reason.
As a muslim I am so embarrassed by this guy asking Jordan Peterson something like that!!!!! He clearly knows nothing about the guy even after reading all his books and "doing his research"
This Muslim fellow seemed to use this platform to argue his Muslim point of view and the tell us the west is evil etc and Peterson's view was to suggest that religions who believe in one God need to unite and help mankind. Asking Peterson if he could prove to him there is a God reminded me of a car salesman ask if he met met my needs I should buy his car. These two are on two different missions. Just my 2 cents.
Watch the entire interview… I was challenged to evaluate my own prejudices… which is something I highly respect about Dr Peterson
I met these type of guys before. They start with the idea that they at right and are personally offended but unable to defend their position.
This rapids fire young guy claims Muslims don't believe in Judaism and Christianity etc, like the crucifixion and resurrection. But the Quran obliges muslims to accept the scriptures of the Jews and Christian faiths.
. Both the crucifixion and resurrection are in Christian scriptures. In fact they are essential.
@@Kitiwake Where did Quran obliges to accept the scriptures of Jews n Xtians, huh?
In reference to Jordan Peterson being an expert witness in a murder trial:
"Justice Mainella was apparently so unimpressed by Peterson’s 'proposed expert evidence,' he expressed 'concern about the decision to attempt to proffer Dr. Peterson as an expert witness on areas that he was clearly not qualified.'"
"The judge concluded that offering Peterson as an expert witness 'unnecessarily complicated and delayed the trial' and expressed concern about the 'detrimental impact on the justice system of attempting to use dubious expert opinion.'"
any religion that allows the death of non believers is doomed to eternal war. that is unfortunately the nature of Islam.
The guy with a beard has a lot to say and not much to say at the same time.
It’s called BS remember?
I love that they are like Network Marketers / Multi Level Marketing people. They don‘t listen to Jordan, they just talk about how good they are and then at the end they expect you do join their bad scheme.
I am dying, funny af!:D
this guy especially. his types are same as jews (which they funnily enough hate) they are smug, selfindulged, arrogant....
As an aspiring Muslim myself, Peterson's interview with this "dude" was a whole different level of cringe. I'm shocked this guy even got an audience with JP. To think there are guys like me just daydreaming of such hours on the daily, and then to see this pompous self-declared know-it-all of Islam win the lottery... no words. The Islam I know and understand is far deeper and mysterious than a RUclipsr's "thinker-ness" portrayed by this glorified dorm-dweller.
I noticed that trend.
Perfect summation. Especially the “bad scheme” part.
This guy just used this as an opportunity to hear himself speak & prop up his religion.
He doesn’t understand the concept of mutual dialogue
Take it from me as a Muslim, he doesn't even understand the real essence of religion, either. He's just into propping stuff up, mainly himself.
Every time i hear a Muslim debate, it's like this. It's just a platform to spew their brainwashing. Convincing themselves. along with others. Listen to this debate, it's just him talking. When you talk you don't learn, you're not listening.
You're still making that assertion based on a video clip. It's a 2 hour conversation, Jordan Peterson talked alot before that as well. And even ironically said in the same conversation that he (JP) thinks he talks a lot.
@@ammarahmed6432 Every time Peterson tried to speak the guy with glasses spoke over him, not listening. This is my experience with Muslims.
@@Heaven-dy9lj no, that's not true, idk which conversation were you listening. First of all don't treat it as a debate. Peterson was invited in a mosque and for lunch... And they were discussing about multiple complex things in a short time. Voices are bound to overtake one another yet I didn't think there was any problem in that conversation. It was amazing.
He should ask the same question to himself, will he convert to Christianity if we provide evidence.
A Muslim can't use the Bible he discredits to validate what he believes about the quran
the answer would be yes. Wherever the truth is
@Islam So you just answered the question, for both sides.
@Islam Catholicism teaches quite clearly that Jesus is the son of God. And that you must go through him to reach God.
Therefore, when he states in the video "We believe in Jesus", its untrue. You cannot worship the God of Abraham (as yourselves and the Jews do) and NOT believe that Jesus was the son of God who founded the Catholic Church. Who says "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." Who teaches "Love one another as I have loved you"
So clearly Christianity and Islam and Jews worship different gods, one could claim its the same God, but it cannot be so. For the holy Trinity has existed always, since the beginning. Therefore, Christ existed.
Furthermore, while Muhammed was alive, he did terrible things, things that go against God himself, therefore he can not be named a prophet, even if there were to be prophets after Christ
I'm not a Muslim, but you got it all wrong about them. Muslims DO believe in Jesus, they don't believe he was the "son" or "embodiment" of God on earth. But they believe he was born out of a miracle and that he was a prophet, that his faith is true and he is going to come back (If I got any part of my statement so far wrong, know that I'm born in a Muslim country, I'm telling you what "Muslims" know about your religion, which might not be necessarily true. ).
He doesn't need evidence, he already believes you to be right and true. He just believes he is MORE right and true. So unless you can provide evidence of Muhammad nor being a prophet, it probably won't change anything.
Hey Muslim people if other religions ask you to convert to Hindu or christian etc , doesn't that annoys you all??...that's why stop asking others to convert
Oh they do it by force, that’s how it spread. No love but pure violence.
@@beyesteadfast8488
LMAO what a troll
@@mahmoudalsayed1138 If you disagree, add facts not just silly words, fool
@@mahmoudalsayed1138where did he lie?
@@raneanubis
If he is telling the truth neither you nor your ancestors would be here. Troll.
Did this guy just said there are no contradictions in the Qur'an? Absolute joke
It says sperm is produce between the backbone and the ribs
@WakenDown 🤦🏾♂️
You can always ask about "Sheepgate". Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik 30.2.12. Missing and abrogated verses make for some interesting arguments.
Are you starting a war with the most passionate religion? It's not worth it dude.
@@hiji 😂
@Xenon Yum It originatin from there, sunsh ine.
Peterson is so sharp. He always seems to think so deeply about these questions and comes up with the perfect answers.
Yes he’s good at waffling
@ShariaFreeUK How do you mean? Don't those books outline the foundations of those religions? What's the basis to say they don't worship the same God when they have the same both have Abraham as the father of their religions?
@Sf Ski lol
That idiot Hijab has no EVIDENCE for his ‘God’ Allah, NONE!!!!!! ALL ‘Gods’ and Religions are all made up by MAN!!!!! That is why there are so many ‘Gods’ and Religions, ALL thought up by MAN!!!!! Religious people still CLAIM in 2022 that they talk to their ‘God’ and ‘God’ answers back which is deluded, ludicrous, ridiculous, laughable NONSENSE!!!!! Stay away from ALL Religions, it is ALL pathetic garbage.
@Sf Ski you thought you sound smart typing that huh?
There’s a reason why Muslim people and people of other faiths listen to Jordan’s lectures because the message resonates deeply to the core of our beliefs which transcends any faiths.
Pity Hijab has a hard heart and closed ears. Hijab is too interested in conquest than in cooperation against a common enemy.
Oh my god Jordan is the saviour, the transcendent and all mighty psychologist who integrated Christian values to meanings that go far deeper than each religious per se and are consistent with our biology plus spirituality plus ethics. He is A GOD AMONG humanoid feminists and lazy younglings who are too resentful to clean THEIR ROOM. NOT Someone else's room not the world's room but their OWN room.
Hail JP 🤡
Jordy "Resonates" with nobody! He's just a current curiosity (a flash n the pan). You, like 99+% of those who watch any RUclips videos he is on think he is some new sage because his garbled nonsense titillates ya! If you notice - many people he's shared the stage with in the past are now nowhere to be found. The reason being - They easily sense he's going over the edge and they do not want to contribute to his apparent fate which seems to be him Going Over a Cliff in the near future. Literally !
They cannot accept any variance from their rigid faith constructed by a soldier, who married his 9 year old niece, around 400 AD. Jordan wants to keep his head attached. In Iran, guided by their dangerous c*lt, the government, religious men, are murdering school girls, smashing their heads in, in front of their classmates. That is supposed to be a religion?
@@rdutch1958 A flash in the pan? for almost 8 years? with nobody? Can you read the comments, your the nobody, your the fraction of the percentage that thinks this..lol
It's absolutely so annoying to see religious "scholars, speakers etc" try to promote their faith and try to sneakily convince others to convert.
He wasn’t trying to covert him, it was a question and you cannot covert if you hold no religious faith… Obviously you do not understand religion, you’re supposed to follow the truths not hearsay’s, facts over fiction and evidence of statement as that’s how you continue your religious growth, you’re Jewish, Christian as you’re a follower of God, praise to one God, a man of faith in translation muslim, praise to one God, everyone is already a Muslim…. Follow God
@@Incountry
Another version of Islamic Replacement Theology.
I’ll wait for your reasoning behind that statement of theology regarding Islam…
@@Incountry Lol!
Really?!
Declaring ALL Jewish Prophets and Kings that lived long before Islam, 'Muslims'?
Or as you declare in your soft version of Replacement Theology, that following truth (obviously as you define it) is actually being 'Muslim'. Sorry, truth existed long before Islam. Long before the sword was used to murder & pillage from North Africa to the Indian sub-continent.
@@davidschalit907
Really..!!!!
….and that’s all you have..? Let me educate you on religion as it seems you follow morons on Facebook and repeat without comprehension or knowledge…
Let’s start from the last.. So, the sword, King “Fredrickson” Charlemagne in the 8th Century murdered pagans, Muslims, Jews and any non-Christian’s that would not convert or pay a tax for them to continue to practice their beliefs, it consumed 30M lives in his reign of terror.
The Moroccans stabilised the Mediterranean countries, civilised them and brought all religions to a community who lived for 500 years in peace, the Muslims looked after the Jews and the Christian’s until 1492 when the uprising of Christian’s forced them to leave and then came the time of the inquisitions and witch hunts, murdering millions again under the name of the church.
Oh, the same happened when the Spanish conquistadors murdered, raped and pillage from the Indians of the America’s (not the non-indigenous ones) stole their gold for the Spanish monarchy in the name of the church once more.
Vikings/Norse men murdered, raped, enslaved and pillaged across Northern Europe in the name of their Gods…
North Africa wasn’t conquered by murder or pillaging it was the North Africans ( Libyans, Egyptians, Sudanese who went to the Arabian peninsula and seeked out the Islamic faith which was brought back to them, which then I turn went into Europe via Turkey, which evolved into the Islamic Ottoman Empire which once again brought peace across Eastern Europe and western Russia.
Indus continent has been Islamic (as well as Hindhu) for over 1200 years not by conquest once again, because you don’t know it’s actual term we’ll just use your Indian sub-continent term, where do you think Buddha came from..?? The region of Pakistan, which was part of the Indus area.
As I said earlier, the literal translation in Arabic Aramaic for man whom follows one God is the word Muslim, Allah / God, the term Allah was used by Christian’s and Jews across Europe until the time of Charlemagne which was translated by King James, the New Testament written in Greek and translated into English as well, then the word God was used.
Islam isn’t new, it’s the oldest form of man serving one God, it’s from the beginning of all religions that stem from the abrahamic faiths predating Judaism as Abraham was an Islamic in the terms of One God only worship.
If you cannot understand the terminology then maybe you’re lacking in the cerebral area, and I did not state “Declaring ALL Jewish Prophets and kings lived long before Islam, ‘Muslims’?, which in TRUTH is factual anyway…
The Christian’s have been pushing their catholicity across Southern India, Indonesia, china, Vietnam, Japan, Malaysia, whole of Africa, including Somalia and Kenya, South America and Central America for 300 years… brutal punishment if you didn’t convert from your own religion.
Read some more Facebook and watch bigoted YT videos to understand more or a religion you’re not..
You have a nice day now…
The Muslims here are not thinkers, they are preachers. They did what they are meant to do. They invited jordan Peterson to islam, he said no. They did their job and jordan did his.
Jp didnt provide any logical reason to his answer which was a no
@@spoidormon7958 very very true
@@spoidormon7958 why do you think JP is inclined to do so?
Why would he join a falsehood
In the end, they have reduced God to what they can understand anyway.
Bingo
And you are a higher being that understands god better. You’re smarter than all of human history
@@FastFighta nobody understands it. But consciousness evolves with every generation. So it will happen in the future.
@@FastFighta I reduce God likewise in the context of my mental possibilities, as soon as I try to imagine God.
But while we are on the subject, one should make sure that delusions of grandeur can be ruled out as far as possible, so that no result comes about that ensures that, for example, people are killed in the name of God just because a bunch of lunatics believe that their rage is the rage of God.
@@master27777 nice sci-fi
The guy with the glasses doesn't listen at all, he's only preaching Islam
He's answering JP by giving reference to Islam because Islam is a way of life. It is a guidance from God to all humanity and it should be preached. If you had a book or knowledge worth spreading for the benefit of humanity would you not promote it? Why does JP promote his books? Why do writers, for that matter, write books about life or whatver subjects, and then promote them.. or is it just because you don't like the fact that it's a religion being promoted ?
@@MrOmak90 No, he's not actually listening to what JP is saying, or answering what JP is asking. Instead his responses just boil down to preaching verses from the holy book. Assume all you want, I've read alot of verses from different holy books including yours. Muslims are not the only worshippers guilty of this, alot of followers of various religions always respond to questions (usually asking them to think for themselves) by just preaching. It's very frustrating to watch.
@@RedFormanOG just because he was giving reference to Quran doesn't mean he wasn't listening to what JP was saying. I think you're the one who wasn't listening. Also, JP isn't superior in any way here, his thoughts are all over the place. " what do you mean by "do" "you" "believe" . lol Serioulsy, you wanna complicate such as simple question JP? He's not the only intelligent person in the room is what I'm trying to say.
@@RedFormanOG Then don’t watch it. We’ll continue preaching
@@aaliyah3037 it's not dawah lol
I mean, they were listening to each other with respect which is nice. However the lead question and the proofs of the Muslim man were not substantial enough to form any kind of meaningful discussion.
Encourage you to watch the entire interview… (warning it is a bit lengthy but worth the time) I found it to be one of the most fascinating and personally challenging discourses I seen in a very long time.
Wat more proof n logical evidence u need to proove otherwise
Religious people are way too eager to convince others of what they believe.
Selective proofs were given in haste as he seemed short on time. Needed more time to eleborate rather than point blank question. Also the proof is the city of Makkah and its connection with Abrahim and his wife and son Ishmail, how that city was established around the well of Zam zam where Abrahim built the alter today we know as Kabaa.
@@OmarAbdulAzeez4714 the proof that gabriel never appeared to him...
Being Muslim myself, I cringed a few times during this interview. It’s as if Dr. Peterson was talking about grand and universal subjects of unity between the People of the Book only for Mr. Hijab to quarrel around the minute. And when he, out of nowhere, invited him to convert, my toes curled. He became somewhat of a salesman.
No clue why u cringed. Hijab was trying to make his point in that 1h 30m period. JP answer on proof of religion was not satisfying at all.
@Spoidormon
MH is a bit cringey in his approach and either doesn’t recognize JP’s reticence to becoming Muslim based on the negative perceptions in the West of Islam or doesn’t care… 🤦♂️
MH should have spent more time going over the similarities of Islam and Christianity then use the Holy Bible to explain how and where Islam relates to it.
You have inferiority complex, thats the issue. Giving dawah is fard. JP wants to beat around the bush and waffle all day long.
@@aaliyah3037 well said. I have noticed in some other videos of jp, he dodges the question God in a verg intellectual way
@@spoidormon7958 no, he doesn't. While we all know in our hearts who and what God is, the gift given to us is to use our own metaphors to relate. The Abrahamic God as a stern old man with a long, white beard sitting in a chair, giving us lots of "thou shalt nots..." is only one metaphor. You prove your belief in God not by your futile attempts to describe God, but by your actions in the world. JP always relates along these lines.
I laughed when I heard him ask JP that question. The dude isn't even there to have a legit conversation with JP, and he isn't even listening to anything he's saying. It's really frustrating because I was hoping to understand how he thinks but he puts up his persona and continues to be arrogant and act like he's the "morally superior" one in the conversation.
All I hear JP waffling around, there is no substance or value he added to this discussion. For example if someone asked me would you accept x as the truth if evidence put forward ? My answer would yes or no with a rational explanation. He failed to provide any value to that conversation just lot of "what you mean by God or this or that" just embarrassing.
And you talk about speaking about common ground and peace? What should they talk about? How's the weather in DC? What kind of animals you like to farm ? Lol just astonishing gulible romanticized stories you guys used to from JP that you don't even understand what an intellectual discourse looks like
"morally superior" so you assume MH position without even knowing that guy? That tells a lot about your insecurity dude lol
Typical Muslim behaviour. I have seen people like him so often, they seem to be all identical. There is always this arrogance when they talk. Always.
Muslim shit. Fuck your religion
Christians are so insecure about their religion
There is a different between sharing your Faith and pushing your religion. We clearly see here what is what and who is who ..
Precisely.
I wonder what pushing we see here ?
What if that question went to mohammmed hidjab ? In case jp asks wether he become a chrsitian providing the proof for that ! It's just a discussion of truthfullness of an argument, I think mohammmed hidjab , tried to open a question in the mind of jp , that's all
@@keddah_ismail brother let them be in their ignorance. They're hypocrites
@@younesh.1861 I work on clarifying those who see màny likes on his comment, thinking he has it all , so they make a better judgement other than that I don't care
@@younesh.1861 And I think Jordan Peterson is fascinated by mohammmed and Islam as well , his feminine temperament in addition to his ageeablness is what is keeping him refrain him from thinking over choosing Islam ... Media made great job in portraying an image of the terrifying islam
Can’t believe he’s taking the whole discussion down to the level of who is superior and conversions. Face Palm 🤦♂️
So true. The whole discussion was a power play to see if Jordan would convert.
He is a missionary. Nothing else to expect from such people
Well who is superior?
That man Hijab is very dishonest. If you read up on him things he has done and said you will understand who he really is
And its so funny with that guy next to him, looking out into space like some executor right next to Hijab, that would be ready to kill JP if he said 'No' to the conversion
Peterson is being to nice to this clown he didn't deserve any respect.
Useless recitations in Arabic to an audience who doesn’t understand Arabic.
@@AaronGeller Hijab is arrogant caring more about his self-promotion and in converting Peterson. The three faiths have a common hand powerful enemy while Hijab only cares about himself. Not an ounce of humility in the entire interview.
@Island Man
m.ruclips.net/video/klPymThRKPY/видео.html
@@Edgar-Friendly l
it's fine conversation you're too sensitive
That guy spoke for 6 minutes straight without saying anything. This lines up perfectly with my idea of any religiously motivated speaker.
Yup
I would actually say the same about JP. In this interview he was all over the place. The Muslim guy actually exposed how JP just talks and talks without having any solution and clear direction.
@@muzammilkhan8441 That's what you get if you ask 6 minute questions.
@@melanp4698 and talking absolute fairy tails
@@melanp4698 my friend, JP is like that on the topic of God and religion almost everywhere. He speaks just like a postmodernist. And stop saying it's a six minute question. We know that's all you got.
Would you convert to Islam
JP: Hell to the naw 😅
Probably cos it seems too strict
Guy on the right looks like he has an inner dialogue on how to tell his family and friends he doesn‘t want to be a muslim anymore. 😃
Ain't ya smart? 🤩
Well...his Muslim "friends" and family will have to kill him love...according to thie Sharia law an ex muslim must die
😂If you write a book I will buy it..😂
Wow this is amazing. You just did the same exact thing the muslim guy did on a whole other subject. And this is not any form of criticizing or something. Just thought it would be interesting to point out. And that is that you just took something that was probably going on somewhere inside of you and projected it onto that person because of the lack of input that we're receiving from the guy wich generally makes us come up with crazy stories about him. This can be seen whenever we see something vague or just don't have sufficient information about something and because or brain loves to come up with something even if there's no possible way to tell it often time comes up with something of our own. Now the muslim did the exact same thing only that what was subject of his try of coming up with a simple explanation in the face of something inherently vague was not a person but in fact his scripture wich then can be utilized and instrumentalised in a direction favorably of his belief system. In that case the "indisputable" prophetic nature of his holy scripture. And yes I got that it was a joke it was just an interesting connection.
Priceless HAHAHAHAHA
This clown ,a thinker? , don't make me laugh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agreed.
People of middle eastern heritage have to be muslims or their parents will disown them. So they have never been able to think for themselves.
As an Iranian female, that was born and raised in Iran.... I wish ppl would truly look into Islam and the RED FLAGS.
Dr. Jordan Peterson can discuss ANYTHING w anyone 💚✌️
What are the red flags?
@@junayedmustofaghalib4683 Please let me preface w I'm not looking to get into an argument over it ✌️
Research the founder 💚✌️
@@sadiecakes2284 Which founder?
@@junayedmustofaghalib4683 if you're asking which... Don't worry ✌️
Peace for Iran. I think Jordan must see the red flags, he has studied totalitarian ideologies which brought about hell by promising utopia. The question is how to productively engage with Muslims who aren't yet consumed with intolerance and ideological blindness.
The reason people listen to Peterson more than the religious people is because he doesn't try to convert them. He just outlines the messages and how they pertain to reality/life, then moves on. What you intend to do after hearing him is entirely up to you.
Well said
LOL! And what you DID do before hearing him was entirely up to you! Anyway - Your opening sentence is vague. Were you implying "more people" listen to Pete than Parishioners listen to their Ministers? If you were, then you are very sadly mistaken.
@@GStones58 strange response, the gist of what I'm saying people prefer dialogue that leaves room for autonomy. The message can be binding but it's presented in such a way that you're allowed to reflect and think for yourself.
And exactly what message would that be? Let me ask you a question - after listening to many J.P. rants - Do you think he believes in a real God entity. ( In case you ask - I say he does not! )
@@GStones58 Jordan quotes biblical stories and simply breaks down life lessons from it, he is not in the frame of a religion itself but the wisdom of it. Anyone can use religious wisdom without being a convert. 🤷🏾♂️
Return to the stone age? Who the hell would wanna do that lol
Well, if you look at countries where sharia has been imposed, it can be argued that they have regressed. Women's rights are negligible. Freedom of expression is a serious offence. Freedom of religion in unthinkable. Democratic gov't is a thought best kept secret. And yet they declare themselves enlightened and progressive not to mention scientifically advanced.
Honestly wouldnt mind nuclear holocoust wasnt a problem back then
what would make you go back to the stone age? believing in god? praying 5 times a day? helping the poor? fasting? I am a proud muslim and i don't see that the quality of my life has been decreased.
@@medieum I prefer a God that is honest about human capacity to not commit sin, i.e. by saying "you guys want the Law? Here it is. You can't meet my standards. I know. That's because I'm God. You know what? I'll come to you, as one of you, and I'll fulfill the demands of the Law, so you won't have to die or go to hell because of your imperfections. All of this so we can be close to each other again. The only thing you have to do as a human is acknowledge that I did this, and we're good. That's what grace is."
This in contrast to a God that says "if you want to get to heaven, here's what you must do. You'll spend your entire life pondering whether you've scored enough points for me to like you, let alone love you".
@@isaiahd5396
Lack of antibiotics was.
dialogue is good but 'will you convert to islam if I show you evidence' is a very stupid question. it doesn't work that way. people don't convert to religions on a debate. you can discuss but don't ask people if they will convert. it is not your business. leave it to people.
Yeah. As an aspiring Muslim, that was super cringe for me to watch. There are so many cringe moments in this interview, I'm surprised it was even uploaded.
@@ZONEDINN528 it is a pity that guy with the beard has a lot of knowledge but does not know how to behave and approach people.
@@Erqin He's just someone who's worked hard to acquire some certificates ABOUT a religion. It's obvious that he's not familiar with the mystical arts, and doesn't really understand the religion itself. He's just read about it. A lot. lol
@@ZONEDINN528 Unfortunately, as a person who’s been raised by Muslims throughout his entire life, this is just commonplace. There is simply a lack of understanding of character and others’ life experiences. They treat Islam as though it is some kind of sale.
I had a friend once tell me after he got his girl pregnant, that he had to marry her and convert her to Islam and that it was good “deen” to get people to convert. (Or something along those lines)
The marriage soon failed and she was no longer Muslim. When I asked him why that was the case, he claims “Shaitan” convinced her to sin.
Absolutely fucking ridiculous, the way they’ve been taught to think, ignorance and superstition runs their brains. He has never “converted” her in the first place, and in fact, it’s an even greater sin to claim you’ve converted anyone without knowing the truth!
How can you know if a person has converted?! You got her to wear a hijab, marry you, pray multiple times, recite some Surah, join the local mosque but you believe that purely performance of Islamic duties makes you a Muslim?!
No, it requires a deep understanding and devotion to become a Muslim. One must be ready in their heart of hearts to become a true Muslim. Not some simple recitation, or performance of Islamic duties. Anyone can fake that for a period of time.
@@ashrafthegoat I agree completely. Even if someone's doing these things thinking they're sincere, they don't know what the subconscious is up to. It's not just something to believe and then die. You live that relationship in your thoughts, even in your dreams!
This speakers body language is off putting. He leans away from the guests the whole time. He gives off an authoritive energy, and not trustworthy.
If you watch him elsewhere on yt, you'll find that, when engaged with someone at Speaker's Corner or debating in a more formal setting, his presentation is loud and non stop. His listening skills are poor at best. I do think he enjoys hearing himself speak. He may be doing his cause more harm than good.
@@glennwiebe5128 Oh...ok. that's where I've seen him. He comes off as very egotistical.
@@justm188 yeah especialy when he tries to educate young people and has a lot emphaty toward them. Tries to bring low cost education etc. Seriously you know nothing about him. There is quote that says : Allah doesn't judge the way we judge. He doesnt look at the outside. He looks at the heart. So ask yourself if your statements are right
@@PerkoVVokreP beautiful
Jesus is not only a prophet but he is the lamb of God who takes away sin
from the world.
Christianity is way different than Islam. I’ve lived in a country where both religion are practiced. All I can say is, Islam is where I don’t want to be in. There is always violence behind it.
@@beyesteadfast8488your answer about Islam is false. You need to do more research on facts about Islam on google.
How nicely they behave when they know the camera's pointed at them.
Your no different hiding behind comments
@@recapv9366 I'm not trying to deceive anyone about my character or agenda.
@@lapamful "they behave" Who is 'they' my guy, am assuming you mean Muslims.
Am a Muslim and I dont force my things in to others, dont put me with that guy.
@@recapv9366 You are defending this guy with your faux outrage. This shows your morality is the same as his. Which is to say non-existent.
@@lapamful "Defending this guy" how my guy, your the one judging Muslims based on him, in what part of my comments did I defend him 🤦
Isn't it great when someone asks a question and then talks over the person answering to "explain" or give further evidence why their own answer to the question is the only correct answer?
exactly
they were having a discussion…
That is the muslim idea of a conversation. That is what it's like to be brainwashed
@@-.-Rob-.-XY even better than that, JP effectively said your deeds matter as a self-proclaimed 'good person' than anything else.
@@mohamedmakalou8950 Hijab can't have a discussion. Watch his debate with Wood. He can't read or listen and makes up imaginary arguments that were never brought forward in the first place.
Did he ask Jordan a question or did he preach? I want my 8 minutes back.
Absolutely right mate
What this even is , calling a person you 'respect' and just speaking about your religion for all this time. Why there is a sense of desperation and urgency in there eyes to make them realise something that they believe.
He is a smart man , he knows how these things go , no need to tell him that.
He did even said very politely that what they were preaching may not really what the message from prophet was because it's not uniting anyways. And the man continues to speaks what he intends to without listening or understanding a single word he was saying. Were you there to make a conversation or sell your thing man.
People aren't listening you anyways if you hijack conversation like this.
I'm a woman. This is how I would answer that question:
HELL NO!
Hijab asked if jordan would accept if there is enough evidence, he said no. Jordan is a blind agnostic, even atheists asks for evidence...
@@imampula3154 The evidence is in Islam's long history of the misstreatment of women and religious intolerance; does the name Charlie Hebdo ring a bell?
Well as a woman your opinion, thoughts, and desires are irrelevant, meaningless, noise to Muslim men.
After all, it wasn't that long ago the camel was more important than you.
@@priver9866 "as a woman, your opinions, thoughts and desires are irrelevant"
@P River
You just proved my point.
@@Milestonemonger those are their tennants, not mine.
They surgically alter female children so they think women can't enjoy sex that way they won't leave their worthless men for someone better.
They can stand on their doorstep and shout three times I divorce her I divorce her I divorce her and she's legally divorced. Only allowed to take what she can carry and no children.
If she gets raped it's ALWAYS her fault LEGALLY. I I remember seeing a video of a woman buried to her neck in gravel being stoned because she was an adulteress due to her being gang raped by multiple Muslim men.
So my thoughts are as follows:
For the life of me I cannot understand why every man that treats women this way is not dead. I mean all men sleep sometime right? I can't imagine a real household anywhere it doesn't have a drawer full of knives, heavy cast iron skillets and pans, maybe a cricket or a baseball bat, or at least a big rock from the yard.
1 of the 2 is there to poke holes in the other's religion and beliefs, and the other is there to to learn and find commonality to effect peace. JP had moments when his patience was tested, but dealt with it like an absolute gentleman. Brilliant and wise.
As a Muslim, I agree 100%. This was so cringe. Please don't let idiots like this guy fool you into believing that it's the religion's fault. These imposters with degrees but zero relationship with the essence always ruin things for everybody else. They just learn a lot ABOUT a religion, and then set themselves up as representatives. If anything, this guy has just learned some talking points. His personality is clearly worlds apart from the saints that actually carry the true embodiment of any sacred lineage.
@@ZONEDINN528 Believe me, I know. I've from childhood had many Muslim friends who truly live their faith and although on many different topics we may have different perspectives, we've always respected and appreciated each others views and moerso even been able to learn from each other. In Christianity we believe a statement of Jesus, " In my Father's house there are many mansions.", from this I take - There is a place in God's kingdom for all of us. I can't imagine that anyone who practises their faith to the best of their ability (irrespective of which one it may be), would not find God's favour.
@@ZONEDINN528 respect to you
@@ZONEDINN528 what was so wrong?
@@NtrosXo I doubt he is a muslim
He wants to become a Christian not a Muslim. Praise Jesus son of God 🙏
Reminds me of James 2 verse 19.
Inshallah Jordan Peterson will discover the truth ☪️
I'm Muslim and absolutely love Mr. Jordan Peterson. Doesn't matter what religion he belong to, he has inspired millions and will always be a great man.
Allah has forbidden absolute love for kuffar. Will you love your brother who reject your father?
Good that you love this brilliant man but then you should reject Islam as he does. He knows it imprisons the mind and severely oppresses women, says it enslaves them.
@@endpc5166 women arguing for Islam ☪️ is like chicken 🐓 supporting KFC
@@endpc5166 And got challenged on it and lost.
@@bruv43 JP lost on cla𝜄ms that Islam enslav𝜖s women? Where? It does oppr𝜖ss them greatly under Sharia.
Short answer: if I have reached a level of understanding that's around the same as Priests, Rabbis, Muslim leaders, Religion Intellectuals, etc WITHOUT being within a certain religion then why do I need to convert?
If you have sinned, your knowledge cannot save you, the same as it cannot save me. Such is the bias. Surely we shall both die. Surely we shall both have to face the end. None suggest conversions, but a man must suggest that before you die a sure death you should put your house in complete order. However you choose to meet your master, if you have one at all, is entirely up to you. In the seconds you’ve read this alone you’ve had to decide, should I meet my master prepared, or should I meet him unprepared! Hence the use of the word vigilance!
@Estapafúrdio Exactly!
Why? The humility to recognize human limitations and the existence and presence of THE source of everything.
@@topenterclips there are sinful religious people and there are "clean" atheists. I don't believe in the spiritual transcedental afterlife so I don't know if we can get to an agreement without debating, what I can tell is that same statement you told about knowledge can also be applied for religious people. Many priests in Vatican were pedophiles, they can repent but the occurrences were consistent. To repent a sin is a human action motivated by shame created by social pressure, nothing transcedental, bro.
@@johnloving9401 again, you don't NEED a big label that have countless controversies throughout history to acknowledge your limitations. Humility is an attitude, not a decision related to converting into a specific religion.
Islamic Thinker ?? Lol
Nothing Islamic about this dude. He's just self-absorbed, way too much for his own good.
@Laurence O'Connor I can take two degrees and be a "Christian Scholar" myself. Doesn't mean my dumb, superficial take on things and my un-integrated personality I bring to the discussion qualifies my opinions and behaviors as canonic Christianity. Remember, every religion's true flag-bearers are the mystics, and saints. Not the church.
Prophethood, sainthood, friends of God (Awliya in Arabic), and so forth... that is the true system of actual, living human relationship with the Divine. Living human beings working with angels to serve God on Earth, serve God's creation, in silence, across time and space, worlds and dimensions, across planes of consciousness. THAT is where religions are rooted.
This is just a dude who went to school and learned ABOUT Islam. Huge difference.
Phreaky dad lol
There are Christian philosophers why wouldn’t there be Islamic? Buddhist? Hindu Thinkers?
@@ZONEDINN528 am glad others are awake
MH is a master chef when it comes to making word salads. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad.
Let's be honest here.... both are masters of making word salads. Analyze JP carefully and you'll notice.
The eloquent sound incoherent to the uneducated.
But I eat fruit salad with tomatoes.....
We have two different people approaching these questions from different perspectives. The Muslim seeks to simplify the world with a confidence that there are absolutes truths to the world. Jordan perspectives is that he is cautious of these absolute truths and seeks to understand and attempt to find some truth. It is a difficult discussions because one is so sure of himself., whereas Jordan is treading carefully into the "unknown". I'm guessing its a difference in personality that makes for these different perspectives...
In other words, to simplify what I am trying to say - They both speak different languages of thinking.
This is not a critique but an observation of how I think this conversation went.
The difference is one is willing to change their mind and learn. The other won't back down from ideologically fused beliefs. In the past when hijab has made obvious mistakes, egregiously misquoted someone, he just tried to hide and lie about his error. He is too wrapped up in his public image to grow much as a person. (The famous "Allah prays FOR Mohammad, not TO Mohammad" saga)
@@phun1901 because the word صل has three meanings, its primary meaning is connection, which it has different functions, if I want to say I want to connect to someone it would be known as تواصل, so in other words Hijab was right on that issue, it doesnt mean God prays to the Prophet Muhammad صَلَّى ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ but rather that he strengthens the Prophet Muhammad's صَلَّى ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ connection to Himself (God, The Exalted).
@@rayanmakarem4327 🤦♂️ ok. Wow. 🤦♂️ Here's the thing.
David never once. Not once. Ever. Said that Allah prays to Mohammad. Okay?
Every single time he pointed out that it is strange that Allah needs to pray for him. For him. Say it with me. "For" him.
David translated it the correct way every single time. And Hijab didn't realise - or he knew perfectly well he was misquoting and misrepresenting David. (Which is quite easy to believe tbh.)
Go watch it again if you don't believe me. It is honestly mindboggling to me that Muslims still dont understand that hijab misquoted David.
Then later Hijab was confronted about it, his repeated mistake, and do you know what he tried to say? He said "he meant Allah *praise* for Mohammad". He is so wrapped up in his ego that he refused to admit the way he bungled it, and that he had misheard or misquoted David. Honestly, that is trait narcissism right there, the inability to admit a mistake.
@@phun1901 I agree that Hijab is too high on his horse he needs to step down please.
I think David should have clarified even further because what hes saying is pure tautology, saying that Allah needs to pray to The Prophet is the same as saying that Allah does pray to The Prophet (which is a logical absurdity and also not true by any scriptoral sense), since the statement "needs to pray for" means that it is absolutely necessary, which deduced from this the particular: "Does pray" and this is again because of the statement "needs to pray."
David if he did not mean this then he has horribly worded it, he needs to re word it because what he says is tautological.
@@rayanmakarem4327 just to clarify, David never said Allah prays to Mohammad. He prays to someone, on behalf of Mohammad. But the thing is Allah prays unto someone.
So I don't see why you still talk about "Allah prays to Mohammad", no-one has ever implied Mohammad was the person to whom Allah was praying.
Pointing this out is primarily a rejoinder to Muslims pointing at Jesus prays to God the Father. Which is isn't that complicated, but often Muslims have attempted to ridicule Jesus divinity over it. Pointing out that the Quran says Allah prays FOR Mohammad to someone (anyone at all) shows that's hypocritical for Muslims to say.
Feels like I'm listening to an academic talking to a Kirby vacuum cleaner salesman...
My favorite comment this week.
Top post.
PS I never had the pleasure of listening to the pitch, but I'm told it was intense.
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Hi geddes your name sound like my late fren dog sorry
Why would I believe the ramblings of people who had a fundamentally poorer understanding of the world than we do today. Islam was a political, military and economic force at a time when it was most required in that specific region of the world at that time. That it was apparently the will and word of ‘God’ was incredibly convenient to the success of that endeavour…
Lmao, you sound like a colonizer speaking about natives and black people. Great to see how far we’ve come in terms of wisdom and understanding. “You come from this part of the world so I’m going to categorically ignore what you have to say and automatically assume that I understand more about how the world works because I’m so wise compared to you due to coming from the west”
@@nightgoggles9931 erm, sorry to break it to you but you’ve simply projected your own argument on to mine. Mine has absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity (which I never mentioned) and everything to do with time. Islam was ‘constructed’ in a time period in which all peoples had a fundamentally poorer understanding of the world, biology, science, the universe and so on than we do today. Their ramblings were self evidently constructed in that mindset and were of that time. They offer little in the way of actual insight beyond some potentially useful (or not) moral tales. But when it comes to the concept of our place in the universe, and the chance of their being a ‘God’ or creator - they offer pretty much zero.
@@rare6499 Ah, they teach science my guy. They know people have been to the moon. You act like like they have lived in a cave for a thousand years when their countries would be way more economically advance if countries from the west weren’t continuously sending soldiers there. And you are talking about specific ethnic groups when you’re talking about Muslims from the Middle East. It’s like Columbus saying he didn’t make it specifically about native North Americans because he was including Central Americans. Like you’re still categorically acting as if you’re above the natives because you have an understanding of guns when they only know how to make spears.
I also think it’s the same arrogance and ignorance that the colonizers had that causes you to view them as having less of an understanding. People in the west can’t even figure out what gender they are, everyone is medicated, everyone is lonely, the west has destroyed dating and the family unit, etc and you’re acting as if we understand how the world works so much better. Their culture has survived thousands of years and liberalism in the west is already collapsing inward on itself after a few decades but we know so much better than them about what’s good for our species long term? Take any immigrant from the Middle East and give them the same opportunities as Americans have and it’s almost guaranteed that they on average will outperform Americans academically and professionally. To act as if you’re above, more intelligent, and have more a better understanding of the world and the human experience than them solely based on them being a Muslim so you can justify categorically dismissing the perspectives of 1.8 billion people makes you seem ignorant af. Make the same argument against Christians while you’re at it
@@nightgoggles9931 You seem to want to compare people from the Middle East with Americans. In which case, tot up the achievements, then get back to us..... if you want to judge people by your own logic....
@@nightgoggles9931 that sure is a lot of words for someone who has fundamentally misunderstood the point I’ve made. Even after I clarified the point for you, it seems to have gone over your head. I’m not going to even address most of the points you’ve raised because they are totally irrelevant to my original statement. But feel free to have some kind of bizarre debate with yourself over it.
No pork, no alcohol, only halal food, pray five times a day and go to the mosque on Fridays, must spend a ton of money to go on the haj, must wear the hijab if you are a woman, must fast one month a year... sure, sounds like a good deal to me!
Ma guy livin upto his name.
It’s a great lifestyle. No premarital sex and accompanying drama, healthier lifestyle with no drugs or alcohol, fasting benefits during Ramadan, Helping the Poor and Needy, Respecting Women and not treating them as sex objects, washing yourself daily. I could go on. These are universal values. Discipline is freedom.
The sad thing is you will never know how liberating it is to follow the guidance of Islam. Satan makes everything that’s evil look appealing whilst everything that’s good look boring and difficult.
Yet all those things are beneficial for you. Whatever God commands is because it is good and for your own good and whatever he forbids is because it is bad/evil and bad for you. That's a great deal! And the reward for your efforts, in a life and a place of good and evil, is everlasting good! No hardship, no struggle, no pain, no troubles! Sounds like the best deal (especially considering the alternative!)
A book not contradicting itself is not a particularly high bar to meet and to present that as proof that a book is the word of God is to be easily impressed
Try the scientific language of that book. Remember, it was fifteen centuries ago.
It contradicts it self 100 times. The first one is denying Jesus Christ as God in the Flesh. Islam will never except that. As Jesus Christ taught one message. Islam come 600 years later after that.
@@WizzRacing It's not a self-contradiction, but contradiction of the mainstream Christian interpretation of what Jesus represented.
A self-contradiction means saying one thing, but perfectly contradicting it with another statement, in context.
Go ahead, other 99?
@@ZONEDINN528 did you know that the religions (not saying this is the case for islam cause i am not completly sure) have throughout time been altered and the «message» has been modified so that certain values that corresponds with society is promoted? Cuts of the bible are now part of the gospel for example. Could the same be said about Quran and the hadiths? I guess my question is: how certain are you that your book is THE book of truth and life when you truly don’t know the origin or how (if) its been modified? Do you CHOSE to BELIEVE?
The book does contradict itself. Constantly. There is an entire field of study in Islam to dismantle it. They even give is a posh name: ABROGATION
I really struggle to see why JP gives time to this street thug with his chipmunk jaw…
Ain't no way JP is converting to that poorly tailored suits. Easy no.
Wrinkly as fuck
Jordan isn't a follower. He's a leader.
Terrible PR for islam; that tactless attempts to recrute/win over everyone is something that gives me the cringe all the time every time...
like he is trying to justify his belief to himself
When it comes to intereligious dialogue. NEVER take a Muslim apologists claim of other respected non Muslims appraisal of Islam at face value as proving anything . There's usually always a caveat they neglect to mention or heed themselves.
Further Muslim apologists cannot argue the Muslim faith on its own merits. They cannot seem do so without denigrating other beliefs and do so with dishonesty or ignorance.
That goes for any opinion, love. Don't need to be so angry about that. lol This guy's a moron, don't let his personality be a reflection of the religion he follows. I'm a Muslim, and even I thought that the way he conducted himself was... series of cringe moments.
@@ZONEDINN528
No anger on my part but I've watched many Islamic apologists over the years. And I've yet to see one who champions Islam without heavily denigrating early Judaism and Catholicism. Its almost like they need to try to disprove what came before in order to validate what came from Muhammad. Mormans are no different in this regard.
why exactly was his example dishonest?
peterson doesnt denigrate other beliefs? are you kidding?
Can you define an "apologist"? Is that term denigratingly dismissive? Is your original comment denigrating? I'm not defending this guy by any means, but you seem to have a hard mindset about Muslims. Just curious.
Honestly, the fact that Jews are willing to call Jorden Peterson a Rabbi almost made me cry, people don't realise how significant that is!
Mr Peterson,
Plse ask him if HE would convert to Christianity?
Jordan is talking to some crazy people right here. Fair play to him for keeping his cool.
Exactly. These dudes are whack
you guys are brain washed people, see more videos about islam you'll find the truth.
@@alibinnaser right.
As an ex-Muslim, I beg you Jordan NOT to convert to Islam, or to any religion if I may. I can only speak for my experience though.
I started practicing Islam in the winter of 2016, after having been a non-practicing aspirant/appropriator (picking and choosing as I pleased) for the last year. I was deeply convinced that the Qur'an was truly the word of God, and not just mere human assumptions about God, and thus I had to take it bloody serious from now on. I immediately enlisted the help of other brothers who had been practicing for several years, studied abroad, in Medina and other places. They were all from the same city as me, and a couple of them also white converts like me. Everything immediately went to hell for me. I was forced to wake up in the middle of the night to pray fajr, every single night for 4 years in a row, until I finally in 2020 started getting stuck in bed all day, lying awake, exhausted (I've been having chronic fatigue since February 2020, much like you Jordan in 2018). Along the way I came across Islamic prohibitions like e.g. music and anger. Since when did a feeling like anger become haram, and besides that something that’s otherwise ikhtilaf (meaning, scholars have different opinions, leaving it basically halal because all scholars have to agree something’s haram)?
During my first 2 years of Islam, I was severely depressed, and later on I found it increasingly difficult to make wudu and the prayer (all 5 that is). I had daily, paralyzing anxiety about whether they were completed perfectly or not, and they took in total 2-3 hours each day for me to be sure they were completed (religious OCD in other words). I had to hold my bladder and rectal gas for too long just to preserve the wudu, which caused urinary tract infection and hemorrhoids. I was also pressured by my closest friends at the time, who I now became dependent on for the correct interpretation of Islam, to marry a Muslim woman who went to the same junior high school as me (at the same time as me), where life was a different kind of hell (her female friends bullied me etc.). This woman was the biological sister of 2 of these brothers, who were a bit older than me. It never led to anything, and I've had no interest in marriage since. Perhaps necessarily, Islam completely depleted all my chances at female relationships at all.
Don't wanna sound like an incel cause I ain't one, you know the school shooter type who blames women for all the worlds' problems. I'm very self-sufficient and self-made. That's largely why I became a Muslim in the first place, but that's also why I was able to leave. Many of those I hung with and followed on RUclips were fuckboys in their past and are now doing life WOP in Islam. They have to have a wife or else they'll get swallowed by all the women of the world, at least that's what they said would happen to me besides Jahannam. That's why they believe the hijab is mandatory for women like in Iran. But I can handle myself much like I did in my pre-Islam days, and I sure can now.
lol homeboy is out of his element lol
I just can’t get beyond the violent acts of the so-called final prophet. He proclaimed himself as the final prophet and killed many who did not believe him.
Your historical knowledge is very wrong then
From strict acheological evidence theres not much to support the claim that he killed many of his opponents.
From a historical perspective, majority of those who were killed during the time of the Prophet صَلَّى ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَآلِهِ وَسَلَّمَ were Muslim fighters, and the death toll (highest) is estimated 1,300 deaths, which is TINY for the conquest of an entire region.
Hardly any of the military expeditions had violence.
@@Reippa On what basis?
You have to keep learning if you believe that.
Jordan gave the answer himself when he said "it's not up to me.Allahu akbar. guidance is from ALLAH alone
Correct, and listen carefully what he says after that because that is really important why he is not interested when Hijab tries to convince him to convert to Islam.
No he dont want to become a su* cide bomber
The Islamic conception of God is insufficient. Allah only loves those that love him. The God of the Bible loves even those that hate him. That is a greater love by far.
@Island Man
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If you argue that it's about predictions that became true, then George Orwell needs to be called a prophet
Well then like that you can call weathermen as prophets(God forbid). You dont see the different between prophecy and prediction. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said things of future that were almost impossible to occur.
@@spoidormon7958 And this is where believe comes into play. Because people have a different view and idea about it. I'm pretty sure there were/are countess people making prophecies that beome or might become reality one day. Since I am not a religious people in the traditional understanding, I don't like to use the term prophet or prophecy.
@@3g3q5 @Level UP I see what you mean. So u can not use the word prophecy, from prophecy what I mean is something that was not likely to occur but it occured. Islam said almost impossible things about future and as also mentioned in the video u can see that how there was also a timeframe or period given and if that period was finished and what was said didnt occur then prophet Muhammad would have been declared a falsi prophet on spot which obviously didnt happen. And there is not just one prophect but many. And you were saying abiut other people making prophecies. I dont know of any other person who made prophecies about future like this and didnt play a guessing game or said based things on what was more likely to happen.
Saying something what is almost impossible to occur and it occurs, and not making just one prophecy rather a lot and also situation where timeframe is given and etc etc is a perfect proof of someone's honesty and that he/she is backed or supported by God.
And I am not saying all this from a theological perspective rather simple logic and reasoning. I would also really recommend you a book called "The forbidden Prophecies" by Abu Zakariya which also compares the difference between the false prophecies and true people and much more.
Jordan has the patience of a saint to listen to this guy babble on!
Distinguish between prophecy and self-fulfilling prophecy. If the Islamic conquest had failed no one now would talk about these 'prophecies'. These prophecies are calculated chance and were based on intent. This counts for all 'prophecies' in all major religions. It's a blueprint for the disciples to make them act upon.
For some context, There is a plethora of prophecies, some of which you could argue were based on intent, others objectively could not have been intent based, the main point is all of these prophecies have played out with the exception of none, that is our proof.
Not a big deal....... "those" guys ask that question all over the UK, at your school, at your place of work, in your prisons, at the gym.... even the local taxi/uber guy will say this to you.
@Island Man
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"I'm a Muslim enough to have been invited to your mosque" JP gets it. This man is a legend.
What do you mean exactly that he gets it?
There is no 50% Muslim or 30% or “Muslim enough”, either you are a Muslim, meaning you believe in Allah as your only god and Muhammad as his last messenger or not 🤷🏿♂️.
@@iTzAnger Untrue, some people deem Muslims that eat pork or consume alcohol to not be Muslim at all or to only be 50% Muslim. In Albania the population is mainly Muslim however they still drink alcohol, eat pork, etc.
@@Gen7486 Thats not how it works
@@Gen7486 doesn’t matter what people think, does it say in the Quran or in hadeths that eating pork will get you out of the fold of Islam? If no then you are still Muslim, if yes then you are not Muslim, nothing in between 🤷🏿♂️. A sinning muslim is still a muslim, not 70 or 50% muslim.
@@Gen7486 people actions and take from the Quran or which society/nation/persons reasoning to follow/NOT follow laws and rules SET by the Quran; DOES NOT MAKE IT OKAY. Because than we would the same problems as Christians; changing and different versions and resets of rules to fit the trend wants and desires of men(meaning anyone could come along be it king or a power hungry lawmaker etc even women of influence could change it how they feel) knowing how flawed the human being can be and perspective/view of something can alter over time or over emotions….anyways point is the rules and governs it all; never changed to fit the societies then and will not change to “fit” societies now. Choosing to follow it is up to your iman. Not picking pieces of it and saying I am Muslim. That’s a cop out. Half-assing it so to speak. Which people today often have this pick and drop after the trend dies down or bored of it or too hard to be discipline. IE cheat day, I love pork so I can’t give up that, I am vegan but on weekends I’ll indulge….this mindset of given yourself a break or no one can judge me, I am Muslim but I will mess around out of marriage and drink 🍺 but nobody can say I’m not a Muslim 😑 which nobody should. Projection /defense mechanisms to to shift any self reflection on your sins and behavior and blame everything else or use it as an excuse to correct and discipline yourself to follow the faith properly is PROBLEM
Hijab is a very close minded person and yes he does represent the majority of Muslims. They have become a close minded group. Dr Peterson should have a conversation with Firaz Zahbi instead. Hijab is a pain to watch abd listen to. Exceptionally bad speaker
Yes of course he does the majority the ignorance 😂
Without even watching, I can tell you it’s a big no for Jordan 😂
Contradictions???? No????? I don't get how an intellectual like Peterson can actually subscribe to nonsense.
@Island Man WTF are you attempting to say?
If you can't come back with a logical answer, just go away.
@Island Man
m.ruclips.net/video/klPymThRKPY/видео.html
Thinker? Of a take over .
Insidious invaders.
Good
As a Muslim, I absolutely love JP.
This guy just said that he will never convert to Islam. Why are you liking him for ?
@@user-nn5kk7gm8d so people shouldn't like others based on kindness, ethical standards and intelligence. Only like people if they belong to your flock. You sound like a zionist
@@user-nn5kk7gm8d because not everything is based on religion? He is a psychologist with his own background, why should you even bother someone questioning such stuff
@@user-nn5kk7gm8d many people already believe in islam and won't convert because of social backlash. Not saying that's the case here but from muslims pov we know many ppl won't convert no matter what so we move on
@@user-nn5kk7gm8d radical islamist
He understands JP is so respected and intelligent, having him a Muslim would convert more people into Islam. As if it's a slap in the face that someone like JP isn't a Muslim.
One thing I realised about Mohammed Hijab and JP briefly referred to it, although quite tactfully during their whole discussion is that he lacked the ability to just have an intellectual logos with JP. Quite a few of his ideas seemed to be a direct quote of the scripture, quote and translate, in which there is nothing wrong with but it makes it sound like he does not truly understand the meaning of his own ideology or he does not know how to communicate that to his audience maybe because he is trying to sound intelligent and well knowledgeable. I am sure he fully grasps the idea he is trying to convey but it takes a lot out of this conversation especially if his style is to Preach to JP when you have the ample opportunity to delve into the true understanding of the meaning each party discusses. He is definitely a traditional debater, ready to refute any argument in quick succession, (I quote, although paraphrasing, "let me push back on this". His favourite sentence) but that's not his audience. Jonathan Pageau seemed uninterested in having that back and forth, probably was hoping for something more (I might be wrong though :D ).
What y'all think?
You never want to ruin your friendship by asking a friend to convert religion. Friendship is bigger, reciprocity is bigger.
well no, if religion is true, and he is in the wrong one, then he goes to hell. If u csare about ur friendship, u wouldnt want ur friends to go to hell right? So u should try to convert ur friends
@@harrentoben2351 well said, I would advise once and if they reject , no problem
Thats wrong and weak. You cannot have unity over lies and weakness. Then it is a false unity which hijab and Peterson spoke about in the video.
@@harrentoben2351 tell that to ISIS
@@harrentoben2351 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣its far better than marvel comics funniest sh* t i heard recently... Nowadays muslims are in disguise of tyese European names... Why... Afraid someone think that u as a suic*de bomber..... Bloody terro*ist...allahufukbar
When the bearded dude speaks all I hear is 'Blablablablabla'.
Dirka Dirka Mohammad Jihad 😂
@@Ryan-lf6ds and you're a dimmih 😂
@@bestaghenbertkeushtad7201 Says the dumbfk. 🤣
“The proof of faith is the attractiveness of its adherents.”
Wow ❤
Where in koran Roman’s and Persians are mentioned? No where.
There's a chapter named "Romans" in the Quran.
Fk outta here.
@@Ryan-lf6ds yeah dumb dumb koran mentions stories on Jesus and mother marry and Roman. But no where does it mention Persians and Roman battling and Romans winning. People just decided that “oh they meant Persians”.
@@sorhanft Quran mentions the defeat of Romans.
Ain't ya smart, kid?
@@Ryan-lf6ds can’t read ha? Paste the quote on Persians:
@@sorhanft Don't worry daddy can, sunsh ine.
Quran 30:2-5
The Romans have been defeated.
3. In a nearby territory. But following their defeat, they will be victorious.
4. In a few years. The matter is up to God, in the past, and in the future. On that day, the believers will rejoice.
5. In God’s support. He supports whomever He wills. He is the Almighty, the Merciful.
Cry less, ma child.
I'm at minute 7, and only was question has been raised to Jordan Peterson. Good monologue.
I’ve discussed islam A LOT with many muslims. And the only conclusion I’ve ever reached about Muhammed is that he was a brilliant businessman. (All muslims will tell you this)
I’ve also spoken to many religious people and I’ve come to the conclusion that religion is INSANELY lucrative.
Don't know about him being financial wiz, but I do think he was every bandits patron saint.
Have you read his biography if not please read
So let me translate Islam, You believe all other religions are false. Therefore your religion is the only ONE religion. There is your "FALSEHOOD". You contradicted yourself by speaking ill on others. That is not the path to true enlightenment. You my friend, are only looking for excuses in religion.
For one religion to be true, it automatically makes others false.
Don't get emotional.
@@Ryan-lf6ds Nothing emotional about it. Just facts. You stated it yourself. Goodluck.
@@rickysneaks7424 U dumb or pretendin to be?
Ain't Nobody can tell the difference.
I stated it myself?
@@Ryan-lf6ds Go find God, and seek happiness. Your lost.
@Island Man I like that. Is that for real? I've never graced the Holy Lands. I would hate to condemn a brother, and not know.
I believe only one true intity knows, which one that is my faith tells me Catholicism. I follow that path, but I ultimately do not know. And, peace and love are what bring us closer to One True God, not division and war.
That's good stuff, brother.
Amen
God doesn’t contradict himself, but man will always contradict God, as man is limited in his perception and understanding of God.
@Island Man yes Christ is lord.
@Island Man
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Good point. There are no contradictions in any book of God. It has . . . then it's not.
Correct. God is not like humans, He has no children. He is Perfect and Incomparable, separate from His Creation. It is inconceivable to the human mind that God could be a human because we know humans are imperfect and God is perfect.
He just kept talking over JP. His behavior would be one of many reasons why I would never convert to Islam, although the most important reason for me would be how they oppress their women
It is very important that all non muslims learn the definition and meaning of "Taqiyya" and "Tawriya".
Lots of people love their Taqiyya with salt and lime.
Taqqiya is accepting your opponents opinion under threat to life. No more no less.
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not a single fuck is given
Why is Peterson indulging these nutters?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day… I don’t see how being right about some predictions of the future should be in itself a sufficient argument to compel anyone to convert. JP wanted an answer as of how Islam was a better platform for the betterment of the world in comparison to any other..
"Rabbi", now that's really an honour! I would be moved as well. 👍👍👍
Islam is dark, its foundation is dark, its treatment of women is dark. Dark.
Or u have been told that.
This guy is so insufferable I don’t know how Peterson keeps his cool
He had alot of practice with the stupid journalists that interviewed him over the years.
Muslims have been discouraged by Islamic speakers and scholars, from reading the old and new testament: the best source of information for the prophets they believe in. This is a great disservice to Muslims.
As a Muslim I agree with you as the Quran only mentions in passing many prophets who’s prophethoods are more fully detailed in the Holy Bible. I’ve benefited greatly in my understanding of the Quran by studying the Bible and I encourage other Muslims to do so also.
Unfortunately there are too many Islamic preachers who themselves don’t understand stories in the Bible and therefore discourage others from studying because they’re afraid the laypeople will become confused…
@@moosa86 I know what I believe and the Bible is the best prelude of truth. The west is a mess without the Biblical foundation of truth. Islam isn't the answer for the west. We will not agree on some things, but provocation, baiting someone, isn't the answer. It doesn't change anything. Personally I think that Islamic based countries would be better moving to an orthodox Christian way, but not the way the west is now, because it's a chaotic mess.
JP is proof that all you have to do is understand another’s truth and that’s good enough
They memorize ancient texts, they quote, and quote, and quote, interrupt, quote, ... as if it proves something.
It's faith.
Stop imposing it on others.
Interesting chat between Peterson and Karim Benzema.
LOL
Man won the ballon dor and now gives dawah
Self induced Religion madness 🤠
I think the reason he doesn't get a super strong reaction from "protestants" is because we believe in Jesus alone. And, although Jordan says a lot of "Christian things," he (as far as I know) has not trusted Christ as his Lord and Savior. Therefore, he does not have the indwelling Holy Spirit, and is wise in the wisdom of the world, but not wise necessarily in godly wisdom. You have to know The Creator first, and then everything else makes sense.
He does get a strong reaction from protestants.
@@zephyrjmilnes
Hello Zephyr, I am referring to what he said in his interview, he said he does not really get much reaction out of "protestants". I can only go by the group of Christians I know, and if someone rejects Jesus Christ as God, and denies Him as Lord and Savior, then the person still a child of darkness.(John 8:44) Without the Holy Spirit, we cannot understand the things of God.( 1 Corinthians 2:14)
While Jordan says a lot of great things, that are rooted in Biblical principles, he is not born again. (As far as I know, last I checked) Every Christian wants him to be saved. He clearly feels pain for the consequences of sin, but is still rejecting The Savior.
“He does not have the in dwelling Holy Spirit?” - how can one know this? Beware of playing God. The great commission is to profess the Word, plant the seed, not to judge it or any outcome. Out of everything that is said I’m understanding your take away is that God isn’t moving in Peterson heart. I can say or point to evidence that his actions show otherwise but that would also be to judge. Fractions don’t only exist among Muslims but among Christians, Americans and all people who begin with the premise that God isn’t in the other person’s heart. We are all Gods children, imperfect but His.
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If you would've read carefully, you would've read that I said; "as far as I know"...meaning he has not made a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."- John 3:36....
The only way to be saved, and to be born again(John 3) is to believe on Jesus Christ. If you read The Bible you will see we are not ALL Gods children, (John 8:44) we are children of the devil until we are grafted into Gods family through the cross.
Romans 5: 10-
"For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."
We are Gods enemy until we make peace with Him through Jesus Christ.
Colossians 1:20 "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled"
As a Protestant that was my first thought; we are very afraid to look up to anyone because we know of man’s flawed and sinful nature. We have the Son ❤
"I am a muslim and I believe this and that" "I am a christian and I believe" "I am a jew and I believe"
The definition of belief is to accept something to be true without having proof.
The point being - whatever we believe, we do not KNOW. The stronger the belief, the higher the arrogance and ignorance. Beliefs start wars, and it has always been like that. We must all see through our own personal beliefs whatever they are, if we we wish to start living.
Bruh, this was six minutes of utter nonsense and two minutes of Peterson being respectful. Not the best extract.
Lol, Hijab is inviting them in some way to consider being Muslims.
Oh yeah, Please! Be a Muslim so that you, your descendants and the descendants of your descendants cannot actually choose again to be anything else, and maybe once they're trapped inside a belief system that they can never escape, they too will begin to be apologetic about it.
And you’re not trapped into anything and you’re way smarter than all these Muslims. I’m proud of you.
@@FastFighta I did not claim that. I'm talking about a specific point. don't twist my words.
There's no other religion better than Islam that's why people stay 'trapped' in it.
@@MrOmak90 not really! A large proportion of Muslims would actually leave or change their minds if they have the freedom and weren't afraid of Islam's fucking death sentence.
@@blazingamr not true. People can leave Islam too. But if you are in an Islamic country and you get caught doing things that are against Islam, then you will get punished for sure. ( I don't know the rulings exactly..) but that's just like any other country where they punish people for disobeying the law.
I’m Muslim to the softness of the bone alhamdulillah - but I must admit Peterson was so much on point here that it makes me love his comeback :) :) :)
May Allah guide you because you are very naive if you can't see Jordan HATES ISLAM AND MUSLIMS
@@jerryfisher6134 I know he’s not Muslim - but when Muslims don’t even bother to look up Dastur al-Madinah and start they way Muhammad saws. established Islam - that’s the reason I agree on this one statement from Peterson.
The golden age was a product of the greatest government made by Rasoolilah saws. and no one is bothering to even study it.
@@rasmus4236 his comeback had nothing to do with becoming a Muslim. He hates Islam and Muslims.
@@jerryfisher6134 hmm.. your vision is a little biased ;)
@@rasmus4236 Jordan Peterson teamed up with Ben Shapiro, joined the daily wire and stormed Al Aqsa after this video was made. Still think I'm wrong?
That was his end goal of this entire interview.
He is a Radical Daawa guy.
I do Appliance and Refrigeration repair. During a repair to a Muslim house, myself and the husband and wife talked. They said we need the oven fixed for Ramadan. As I worked I asked about Ramadan. They explained to me what they do and what they believe and why Ramadan is important. They then asked me about Easter and why Easter was so important to Christians. We had a very good chat and maybe a little better understanding of each other. When I left, Oven was ready!
I’m surprised the Muslim crowd hasn’t blasted the comments with the word dahwa
It’s actually “dawah”
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@@moosa86 I tried to spell it right too!😂
asking that question to Jordan is pretty stupid and ignorant. The guy clearly didnt know Jordan to well