ROOKIE landing mistake! Tailwheel Training: Part 3
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When doing lots of pattern work, I make the student take a break after 4 touch and gos. They get a chance to breathe and relax for a minute and I can demonstrate how badly I can screw up a landing too.
Josh, this is a great series. I'm a private pilot who just got back into flying after a long break. I just hit 100hrs, and recently made the jump into aircraft ownership by purchasing a Taylorcraft BC12D. I did my tailwheel endorsement in a Decathlon about a month prior to purchasing. My insurance company requires me to have 10hrs dual in my aircraft prior to soloing since I'm a new tailwheel pilot, so I've got a great local tailwheel instructor helping me adapt to the Tcart.
I've realized since I started all of this that tailwheel aircraft are a great equalizer. No matter how many hours you have and how good you think you are in a tricycle gear aircraft, a taildragger will humble you real quick!!!
I searched high and low for videos exactly like these that I could watch prior to starting my tailwheel training, and none really existed. Here we are a few weeks later, I've finally got the hang of it and you introduce these great breakdowns of your training!
Regardless, I've really enjoyed watching them because it very closely mirrors my experience with transitioning to tailwheel aircraft. It seems impossible at first, you question your sanity and whether you should have done this at all, and then suddenly it clicks and you're greasing landings like you've been doing it for years. Watching you has also helped me recognize and curb a few of my own bad habits, and its encouraging for us lower time guys to see an experienced pilot making the same mistakes. None of us are perfect and your humble approach of pointing out all your mistakes is awesome! Thanks for sharing your experiences (good and bad) with us!
I will note that one added bonus to flying tailwheel is that it makes flying tricycle gear aircraft seem like a piece of cake! I recently got back in a 172 after not having flown one in months, and greased off two of the best landings I'd ever had in one! The stick and rudder skills you pick up in these older aircraft are no joke, and I really think there's a great benefit to all pilots to get seat time in one! Thanks again and keep up the great content!
Even as 1000+ hr pilots, it's great and humbling to have "a-ha" moments...only makes us that much better. Great footage Josh!
Just bought a Husky and in transition training presently. Your vids are hugely valuable to me. The camera work and self deprecating reviews are great training tools. Thank you!
Excellent Josh; really appreciate your candid presentation, everyone can learn from this experience.
Number one thing that helped me with wheel landings is to STICK the mains on the ground, don't be afraid to push the nose over. You have to really really push it over to prop strike. Push the stick forward when you touch the mains. I fly a Stearman which is known to start bouncing. You are doing great and these videos are awesome!
I tend to trim slightly nose down so that I have back pressure on the stick while flying it on, and then I release back pressure once the mains touch, killing the lift, and it builds a very smooth transition from flying to not.
@@jonhakala9704 exactly how I trim as well. Especially more so on wheel landings
Love the camera on the rudders. As a student Pilot who’s struggling with landings it is helpful to see that.
I have never flown a tail-wheel! This has been very instructional. Can't wait to see the last one in this series. Everyone should be so fortunate to have the privilege of flying with someone like Keith! I never saw him break a sweat while using his aircraft!!
Love the camera placement, THIS makes all the difference. I have Citabria time and hate heel brakes!
My Areonca has heel brakes also, don't try it with motorcycle boots.
Yeah the heel brakes certainly take a bit to get used to!
Despise heel brakes.
Thanks again Josh for just being you. It's so nice, as a low hour student, to see that even CFII can have days where being human is just, well......being human. Keep doing just what you are doing and success will be yours. In anything you decide to do in life. Thumbs up!!!!!
Did the same freaking thing. A few tailwheel lessons in I realized I forgot what the other end of the runway looked like. It was a game changer 🤦🏼♂️
I just bought a taildragger. You explaining where you were going wrong is very helpful. Thank you for this series!
As someone who dosent fly im simply impressed with your attitude about learning. I believe you'll go far in your flying career. Nice video enjoyed as usual stay safe
I really enjoy your videos. A good balance of information and entertainment. Keep it up. I'm a low time pilot and watching you, at such a young age, do all this flying really keeps me motivated to get out there myself.
As an instructor myself the constant reminder to look down the runway can’t be preached enough. I landed like crap the last 2 days and even myself just realized from your video I want looking down the runway. We all need to remember this and keep practicing and get better everyday. Fly safe dude🤙🏼
I had the same problem going the opposite direction from tailwheel to nosewheel, flying right hand stick/left throttle to reverse. I was overwhelmed and started looking at the numbers instead of down the runway. Brings back memories. Keep up the good work!
Watching the end of the end of the runway is like the sight picture in shooting and looking ahead, not close up in competition driving. I like your videos on the tail wheel Super Cub. I have waited too long in my life to learn to fly. Going to do it soon in a tail-wheel aircraft I will soon (hopefully) buy. Keith is a great instructor.
3 simple rules to consistently good landings in a tail dragger. unfortunately none knows what they are!
1. Keep the stick back 2. Keep it straight 3. Keep the stick back
Keep the stick back, keep the stick back,Get that stick back. It was a British Auster MK111, Power off. Get that stick back.
a good approach is #1.
Keep your eyes closed !!
1. Right Rudder
2. Left Rudder
3. Right Rudder
Repeat these 3 simple rules
I learned tailwheel in a Super Decathlon and the lack of flaps was a bit of a curve but 8n the end it made things simpler.
Well done videos! Great that you're being transparent about the challenges. I just bought a tailwheel and having some of the same issues with wheel landings. I will try these techniques. I'm an ATP for a major airline, CFI and just finished tailwheel training, which brings it to another level of aviating. I just did my first XC solo after my endorsement from a fellow pilot/Capt. for my company. The instructor has said the same things to me, so the struggle is real.
I just told my CFII to task saturate me tomorrow, as I feel that is my biggest weakness in flight. I'd like to think I can fly the plane all day but the rest is where I struggle in regards to "vor cross fixes and staying on heading altitude Etc."
I just got my tailwheel in a J-3 a few months ago and man was that a change of pace. Definetly brutal for the first couple flights till you get used to the sight picture and energy state you need. After that nailing those 3-points are easy.
Power idle the whole way in and stick in your lap on the flare was what I found to be the easiest in the beginning. On the J-3 if you hit your airspeed with a power off final full stick aft would put you in the perfect 3-point config.
Carrying power on final just adds a lot of room for error unless you are wheel landing.
Also get those feet alive!
That's so cool that you are still going to show even mistakes you're making. More importantly, the corrective measures to fix them as well. Stay humble Josh and thank you so much for sharing this.
Great video Josh. Keep on taking on new challenges and thank you for sharing.
Cool, I'm a 13,000 pilot working towards my tailwheel endorsement. Glad to see I'm not the only being humbled by this endeavor. Great Video. Thanks
Same here. Good to hear it from another high-timer...
Another great and very educational video. I’m looking forward to my tailwheel training!
Again, I’m really enjoying this series. It sure is interesting seeing how other CFI ‘s go about teaching tailwheel skills. My CFI was excellent when I did mine and I didn’t have much trouble. He taught me to plant it with stick forward and then cutting the throttle if I hadn’t done it simultaneously to that point. Most trouble I had was with the first few wheel ldgs as well, but once my CFI explained the purpose of the wheel landings, it all clicked. Especially when we did some higher speed, “surface check landings”. Remember, wind over your tail is your friend! The more speed over the tail, the better attitude control you’ll have when those mains touch.
To me in flying or anything, it is the sign of a person secure in their abilities, that came by it honestly that can admit, laugh at, and learn from mistakes. Even rookie ones where you know better. It shows a rugged determination to get things right, take it seriously and at the same time don’t put on airs, and laugh a little at our foibles. Excellent diagnoses, and that can be hard when one is temporarily messing up, not getting it right. That determination, and self diagnosing got him there. Problems are always easy, when you finally figure out their nature. Thanks for the video!
Excellent job pulling this video together, I found the various views very helpful. Keep up the good work.
Excellent josh, very educational and to my advantage for my training.
Thanks for these videos. This will help me as I will be getting my tail wheel endorsement in a couple of weeks.
Your choice of adding a rudder cam was brilliant. If you've flown tailwheel then "happy feet" means something. It's been a while but I don't recall giving "happy feet" a thought until the tail wheel time. It's normal now (or maybe it always has been and I don't realize it). Great video as always.
- Started with gliders, and my instructor caught me doing happy feet in the C150, lol. Later got my tw endors from him as well.
Love the feet camera! Great to see how much footwork is involved!
I very much appreciate showing your mistakes.
Thank you for this video! I found myself doing the same thing by not looking down the runway. I watched this video last night and it helped me training in a Champ today.
I tend to keep a little power in the landing as well even with three points. Adding a little bit of power during the flare helped me not slam in down on the runway This video helped me tremendously by looking down the runway at the same time. Instructor said I’ll be ready for solo in the next lesson or two, so thank you!!
Awesome video series! Learned so much and it really helped me to realize what I am doing wrong on my landings 😎 thank you so much for sharing!
Great video Josh. I fly a Super Cub too and it’s a great airplane but it will bite you on the ground just like any other taildragger if you’re not on the ball 😉. But what I like even more about this video is how you deal with your learning experience and that you’re not afraid showing it to all of us out here.
What is the saying a Pilot is always learning. Love the camera placements. Looking forward to the next one.
I can totally feel the frustration when you go around.
I am dealing with the same learning issues.
It is not intuitive to say the least but I am sure like anything else, practice makes perfect.
Great video.
Camera view of the feet is super helpful!
This too has been an awesome series, & very well done!
I’ve never flown a taildragger for real, but only on simulators, & have yet to make that investment in the pilot license, as it’s just a dream at this point.
I have to believe that flying for real, is much more intimidating than a simple computer screen simulation can offer!
I’ve always brought the throttle back to idol, just as I’ve crossed the glide approach of the runway knowing for sure I won’t come up short, & always came in at full flaps, touching down on the numbers, as I’ve bled off that air speed, & floated down before a micro flare & touchdown.
I definitely understand the false sense of confidence in this, as it appears so much more difficult than one would have imagined in a real life scenario.
Great video series. Very useful stuff learning to tame my new Husky
I'm just starting back into light aircraft flying, I last flew a tailwheel aircraft in the 80s. Currently I fly B787 and guess what, look down the far end of the runway is exactly what we do!
Thank U for SHOWING us the STICK. the WHEELS and “TALKING ALOUD”! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
These are probably your best videos! I would suggest that a wheel landing is not just landing with the tail wheel off the ground, it's landing and pushing forward enough to get a neutral, if not negative angle of attack on the wing. Make that wing stop producing lift all together. It should go without saying that the prop clearance is paramount to doing so. Zero lift gives a lot more brake authority and, yes, I do brake with the tail up but that is heavily dependant on first how good your brakes are and second how familiar you are with the plane you're flying. I'm wondering what the old times have to say about all this. I'm really liking the videos, keep'em coming!
6:00-6:18 is exactly what I've been dealing with in my own training lately, no matte HoW many times my CFI tells me "stick back to stomach, add some power to arrest the sink rate" 😂😂
Don't put too much stock in looking down at the end of the runway...it isn't necessarily the "key" to a good landing. While it does help at first you can still learn to look closer and perfect the wheel landings, and if you ever want to learn to land off-field or really short field, then that technique won't help much. Also, don't be afraid to push that stick forward somewhat aggressively after the mains touch...or sometimes BEFORE the mains touch...yes, you read that correctly! In STOL ops (I realize this isn't the basis for these videos), you don't really have time to let things happen naturally (read "slowly while eating up the landing area"). Get those mains on the ground (forget about 3-points for off-field or short field), get the angle of attack out the wings, and hit the brakes!! The airplane will resist bouncing and ballooning if there is little angle of attack in the wings. Remember that there's an aerodynamic "stability" just after landing while the airspeed is still relatively high, and that just because you put the stick forward and hit the brakes doesn't mean the aircraft will nose over immediately...of course you have to be aware of the changes in forces as you slow down and feather the the elevator and brakes accordingly, but this comes with practice and familiarity with the aircraft.
Again, I realize that Short T/O and Landing isn't the basis for the videos (only up to 3 so far), but once you learn STOL technique, it makes everything else much easier in terms of taildraggers! Thanks for taking the time to make the videos about your experiences and how you're learning! Great Job!
Good info thanks keep them coming
I am not a pilot but good to you not taking it personal and accepting we all make mistakes!
Nice video Josh. I'm not a pilot but it looks a lot harder than 80991, but that's how you learn. Thanks for sharing the good and the bad.
Great video, as always
Great stuff man love your work! As for wheel landings what helps is coming in w a little extra energy as it will buy you some time to see what the plane is trying to do and you wont have to mess around w power just keep it idle as you burn off energy over the runway and work it down to a super soft roll on. Also once developing a good feel for the site picture go ahead and get as low as you can before leveling off so those last couple inches you can take your time to smoothly roll it on with a nice level attitude. If you level off high you will inevitably end up getting low on energy and nose will come up on you. 🤙🏼
great deal of encouragement to admit self errors. you are amazing CFI
Great video! I literally had the same "eureka" moment a few weeks ago. I'm working on my PPL right now and, at about 35 hours, it actually felt like my landings were getting worse, not better. Then I realized that I had stopped looking down the runway and instead was looking just off the cowling to judge how far I was from the runway. My instructor couldn't really tell where my eyes were looking, so he had no idea. Once I realized that I had been forgetting something that was taught to me in literally like my 3rd or 4th lesson, haha, I went back up to do some solo pattern work and greased like 4-5 landings in a row. Always helps to get back to basics!
That just happened to me. Its crazy how just looking down the runway improves landings. Its like magic. Lol
Had the same kind of moment with my tw endorsement, only it was attitude. Once I figured the fuel cap on the cowl sat flush with the horizon in 3 point attitude, I was making perfect landings.
Great video angles.
Wheel landings were pretty easy for me due to my glider time - basically the same attitude, only in the Champ, you have to stick it fast right after the round-out so you dont lose speed and end up getting the tail low. Already have the happy feet from glider time, I think more of the training was me training my instructor to trust me, lol.
dude, I have way too many hours in a super cub towing gliders. Wheel landings are all about managing the attitude as you are feeling for the runway... I will repeat that, because it's important. It is all about managing the attitude as you are feeling for the runway.
How? Fly final (and cross the fence) 10 knots faster than you would if you plan on 3 pointing. And, CHOP power to idle as you are almost to the runway. Then, fly the attitude of a wheel landing. Flare, but UNDER exaggerate the flare. And, as soon as you arrest the decent with your under-exaggerated flare, immediately Lower the nose a tad, then, immediately raise it a tad, then lower it a tad, then raise... cycle that back and forth, raise a tad, lower a tad, as you "feel for the runway" and let the runway come to you. There is no reason to learn wheel landings with power still on. Feel for the runway in a wheel-landing attitude, bringing the nose up just a hair, then back to wheel-landing, then up a hair, then back... (as you bleed off that extra 10 knots)... this is how you feel for the runway in the proper attitude and "let the runway come to you".
A couple other things. Looking at the videos, You get happy feet as you enter the flare. That's too late. Turn on happy feet on short final, as you cross the fence (or slightly sooner), as you shift your focus point from your aiming point to the far end of the runway... that's when you should turn on happy feet and start dancing, need it or not.
And, clean up your radio phraseology. Eliminate useless words. Left close traffic? ummm.... that goes without saying in a small plane. And, "Smallville traffic, super cub Turning on a left base to final runway 36 Smallville"... really? Try "Smallville, cub is Left base, 36, smallville". Extra words add nothing.
Loved the 3-part tail wheel series! If I could make a suggestion, not having a death grip on the stick will make flying easier for you.
I think this is a great example of the most difficult part of learning to fly, in my opinion. You think you'll finally nailed something one day and then the next day can have a terrible day in the office and almost feel like giving up. It's perseverance, learning, practice. It takes time.
Good video. Any body watching is learning, congrats
My landings in my Kitfox have not been consistent for the last several flight hours, and you just made the light bulb go off in my head. I have been looking too close in front of me instead of looking towards the end of the runway. Thanks, I needed that wake up.
Great vid. Lotsa good deep training. Tailwheel is a bit different. ✊
Thanks for doing this series Josh. I’m pretty sure my CFI doing my tail wheel endorsement thinks I didn’t know how to fly and airplane. The wheel landings still have me stymied.
*3:19** THE ANGLES, ALL THE ANGLES!!* wow this video is so helpful it's insane :') thank you!
Thank you for sharing and talking things through/explaining with us it was very helpful. :-))
Wow, this looks hard! Josh, with all your experience in flying, seeing you struggle with a taildragger is very humbling. I have always wanted to learn to fly, but this is discouraging, borderline scary Haha.
Wonderful video.. THX! I don’t fully agree with your conclusion. The power-issue on touchdown is negligible. You have to kill the lift on your wings first. And that means bring the stick forward and stick the airplane to the runway. The residual power just changes your attitude on touchdown, that’s all. You can perfectly see it in your video when you compare Keith‘s stick movements with yours. Just my two cents of 30 years flying taildraggers (T6, Cessna 195, Pitts S2B, ...)
I agree Chris !
Oh Lordy on High what a yetroterrible waste of aeronautical skills...,both directly into the cooi indirectly
Great camera angles!
Awesome!
Saw you in AOPA Pilot magazine, well done!
On wheelies I found that focusing on maintaining a descent is most important for me. half the descent rate on the round out and then half it again, but keep the descent in. 'Holding it off' always ends up screwing me up.
I liked the multi-cam-view at around 7:10.
I was flaring too high in my early training. Once I forced myself to look down the runway, landings instantly improved.
This never happend me before , just 2 viewers before me and i live in Belgium lol. Again great video keep up the good stuf. :-)
Nice video !
Are you using some kind of ND filter on the cameras ?
The propeller is smooth.
Well done
Just got my tailwheel today! You’re very brave for videoing your training 😂
I’d carry a bit more speed and chop the power just before the round out and then concentrate on the RWY image and pin it.
I learnt on tricycles and my first tail wheel landing was in a BE18s (VH-FID) in 1963. The springy bounce resulted in a trike response with a tail wheel three pointer……..it shocked the PIC who was more aware of the loss of rudder authority you suffer, particularly in this particular aircraft. Learning to ‘pin it’ was counter-intuitive to me in a skip/bounce.
I saw a video on landing a regular C-172: he had a cranky CFI, "You didn't LOOK down the runway .. those three little hills .. those trees .. LOOK down that runway!"
A good pilot is always learning
When I was still in my teens, I insisted that ALL of my Initial training be in a Tail-wheel aircraft! And I've never REGRETTED that decision!
It takes me about 100 hours before I feel like I’m getting a new tail dragger figured out. They’re all different. They talk to you, but you have to listen carefully.
Tail wheel landings are always challenging... my latest video is about just that... thanks for sharing!
Great review of tailwheel technique, I hope you will get a checkout in a J3, no flaps and all wind challenges magnified.
Also, you sit in the back, no view down the runway, you stare straight ahead and use your peripheral vision out both sides.
I wonder if there would be a difference in landing performance with the doors and windows closed. I remember being towed by a Super Cub when the pilot decided to keep the door and window open, and we could barely climb because of the huge amount of additional drag it produced. We normally saw about 400-500 FPM on tow, but with the window and door open, we barely saw 200 FPM.
Looked to me like chopping power was what improved your landings most. But always a good reminder to look down the runway...
I like having the rudder pedal cam
wheel landings got easier when I didn't have a flight instructor in the back seat
Because of the CG change or the lack of nagging? lol
Hi Josh. Try loosening your grip. It’s understandable why you have a firm grip but you lose the sensation of your plane. Happy landings!
I have 250+ hrs in my Citabria and getting night current last night I realized the same mistake.. why were my landings a little off?? I was looking at the stripes in front of the nose instead of the end of the runway. It makes a huge difference. The tailwheel is a wonderful instructor, it will tell you your mistakes on every landing :-D
I am a student pilot, starting tailwheel from day one. I have been taught to pitch for speed when doing wheel landings rather that keeping the power on through the landing. Only adding power as needed. Is keeping the power on a common practice?
Good video, Josh. You have the radio talk down pat, so you may make a pilot...Someday. LOL . Great job.
Being a 1500 hr CFII, are you looking at going to the majors or stay there teaching? I want to get my CFI rating to teach as a 2nd career after my retirement....just need the funds to do so. Got my PPL in March and half way thru my IFR/CPL training.
Are you still based out of San marcos, ive been looking for either a school or an instructor in the area.
Don’t need to give the white knuckle death grip to the stick. Hold the stick with your thumb and first two fingers. Feel the airplane.
I’m a helicopter pilot. I have my commercial license and I fly for the military in a pretty advanced helicopter. I want to begin flying fixed wing and I think critabria is the way to go? I have the option of citabria and 172, which should I go with for initial fixed wing training?
PS I really appreciate analog stick and rudder pilotage vs the “easy way” to do things approach. Any advice I’d love to hear.
Late to the party but Citabria is the way to go. Your heli feet will come in handy
Mind the wind on the microfine! Making crazy noise!
Which university was doing flight team landings out there? Knew from the chalk lines on the runway
I’m a former NIFA coach. I chalk the runway every 100 feet so students and instructors can use it for the private and comercial landing standards.
How's 99'r coming along?
I've been a pilot for 12 years, I have around 500 hours with high performance and complex endorsements. I've made roughly 1,000 landings in my flying career and I have never looked down the runway. Other pilots and CFIs routinely compliment me on my landings, but I've never looked more than 100 feet in front of the airplane during landing. During primary training my CFI always told me to focus on the end of the runway and I guess I just fooled him because I've never been able to land doing it.
You lose situational awareness doing that. Hopefully you and a nordo never meet on an intersecting runway.
@@rcbif101 sure I see things in my peripheral vision down the runway but I don't purposefully focus on the end
How's 80991 doing?