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Electrify Canada really needs to get charging stations up and running and everywhere. Nobody is going to buy any EV when there are no charging stations anywhere . I had to actually call up Electrify America to locate charging stations in Toronto, Canada .
Thanks for the new video. I’m enjoying these. I was originally going to buy a Tesla Model Y, but I’ve switched and ordered an ID.4. I think the VW would suit us better so these videos, including your critiques, are very helpful. Keep it up!
Great tips thanks! Question: I’m not reaching 125kw charging power consistently (at 125 kw or more stations). I would say rarely… Even at 25-35% battery level. It’s on average ranging from 50-90%. I called the dealer and the mechanic told me to use the ID4 gps to condition the battery (!). In such situation, it apparently cool down or warm up (don’t remember exactly) the battery to optimize charging... Never heard of such thing! Never read it too in the owners manual!
Interesting. Thanks for the tip! I don't have any issues at my local Electrify America. I always swipe to charge on the EA app first and then plug in. Otherwise, the charger can have issues communicating with the vehicle causing it to lower the power output. You can find the tip in my "top 4 tips for VW ID4 owners" if you haven't seen it yet! :)
There's not. VW, as of writing, is only one of the only remaining car makers that haven't partnered to get an adapter from Tesla in order to access the Supercharger network, starting in 2024. Tesla has been testing some stations with adapters in the US and Europe but these are very limited right now and it's unclear if they will pursue this strategy long term.
Thank you for watching and the kind words! The level 1 charger came with the ID4. However, I also use this level 2 that plugs into the dryer outlet in my house: geni.us/home-portable-charger It has a really long cord (26ft) so it works with both of our vehicles. I use this during the cold months to get more range overnight. Make sure you select the outlet type that you have!
The scheduled charging feature in the ID.4 is simply not fit for purpose. I've had mine back to the dealer. There was nothing they could do. There's been no software update since I bought it 6 months ago. If I switch on from indoors it only charges at an attenuated 1kWh rate. I have to go outside at night in all weathers to plug it in in the early morning to take advantage of my low night tariff - then I have to set an alarm at 4:30am to switch it off. I'm in the UK and VW did nothing to correct the wrong information about the Prolife model here. Unlike the one in the states there's no reversing camera or automatically dipping headlights or automatically switching on of windscreen wipers or MW radio. It's a disgrace for a £41k vehicle- I'll be getting a Model Y to replace it with.
Hi i got the infos for different types of chargers and since i just got my ID4 X i was planning to use it daily which i would driver around 50 miles and sometimes more if i plan to go somewhere else and long road trips are pretty much impossible here since there is only like 7 cities in this country and the furthest is just 80miles but we wont risk it for long trips we could just use the secondary car. But overall i feel like i would still need a type 2 charger since all of my family members will drive this car primarily so that would probably use a lot of a its mileage in some days at least. So what i was wondering is for this scenario what type of charger do you recommend me to get here (also just so you know we really care about the battery health since the car was imported not much of it exists yet here and we dont have a warranty for it, but on the other side the electricity is pretty cheap here compared to US around 9cents a KwH)
It’s costs me more to charge at home than at a fast charger, I am in the uk. Charging at home is £0.29 per kh, if I go to a high speed charger it’s £0.26 at an Lidl supermarket.
Also in the fine print of these cars... it says that 'fast charging' is not recommended all the time and continually fast charging will kill the life of your battery. It doesn't say by how much but that is alarming.
Absolutely, Jeff! Even the dealers don't know this. I test drove a BMW i4 last weekend and they had all of them set to charge at 100% each day. I quickly shifted that down to 80% of them. But you are completely right.
Excellent video, thank you. I was all set to buy a 2022 VW ID.4 AWD with the 3-year free charging from Electrify America - BUT - the closest EA charging station from my home was 50-miles! I said I'll wait until 2023 and see if the EA network gets any nearer to my home. Bummer.
The 80amp I got sort of "future proofs" the device for newer EVs that will be able to accept higher level 2 amps. It doesn't matter for the ID4 but may for cars like the Ioniq 5. We assume in 2-3 years it'll be more useful for that purpose. :)
I was thinking about getting this car and I wanted to ask on here if it was sustainable to only have a level 1 charger for this car and make it work. I would charge it overnight. I would need to get a 240 volt outlet installed to use the level 2 and there seems to be some problems with doing it in my house. Is it possible to only have a level 1 charger and still make it work with this car? Is a level 1 as simple as plugging it into a regular outlet? Finally, does your electric bill go through the roof if you do that? Thank you!
Absolutely, we use the Level 1 charger 95%+ of the time and our ID4 is a daily commuter that travels 40 miles round trip. Level 1 is perfect most of the time, with the only real need for us to use our Level 2 is during winter months when efficiency drops (but still not required at all). Our electric bill is basically unchanged. We pay $0.10/kWh which means our weekly commute of 200 miles costs around $5.00 - $6.00. Yes, for Level 1 charging, all you need to do is plug into a regular wall outlet using the cable provided. Here's some resources from my website that might help further: evhelphub.com/charging/do-you-need-ev-home-charging-station/ evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4-faq/ LMK if you have any other questions. I hope this was helpful!
@@evhelphub thanks so much for the help! How do you find the storage in the car? The Tesla model Y seems to have more storage space than the VW. I’m going to get coming from a VW Atlas so both are small by comparison to that. I’m debating between the i4 and model Y. Based on my research Tesla seems more reliable when it comes to charging and has more space
I've owned a Model Y as well. Here’s how I would break it down: *The Model Y* has access to the Supercharger network, which is a significant advantage if you plan to road trip a lot (the ID4 will gain access to most Superchargers next year via an adapter though). It includes a heat pump that can improve winter efficiency, and its software is much more advanced. It also has one-pedal driving, although you can't turn off regenerative braking like you can on the ID4. However, the build/material quality of the Model Y is nowhere near as good as the ID4 and some features, like auto high beams and auto wipers, don't work well at all. It lacks basic features such as rear cross-traffic alert and rear automatic emergency braking. *The ID4* is much better built, with no rattles or panel misalignments, which were issues I experienced day 1 with my Model Y. The interior materials are definitely more durable and don't show signs of wear as quickly as my Teslas did. We carry lumber and supplies in the ID4, no problem. Cargo is perfectly fine. Though the Model Y is marketed to have more range, I'd say the newer ID4's 291 miles is probably about equal to the Model Y's 320 miles in the real-world, Tesla plays with their range numbers more. One big thing to note is that the ID4's software is pretty bad and not close Tesla's. Lots of bugs and laggy responsiveness. *Here's my recommendation:* If you frequently drive in rural areas or take more than a couple of extended road trips a year, the Model Y is a better choice for the supercharging network access alone. If you want a solidly built vehicle that you primarily charge at home and use as a comfortable commuter to work, the ID4 is better and will have less quality issues. I hope this helps!
@@evhelphub thank you so much for the insight! I am lucky to where I live close to work and my son’s school so I can average as little as 25-30 miles a day. I’m pretty over on my miles for my VW lease, which they said they would forgive if I got another car from them so I might have no choice but to get the i4. My biggest concern is the trunk space. It looks like it can barely fit my hockey bag or be able to do a family Costco haul
I think we the back seats folded, you should be able to get both the hockey bag and the Costco haul in there. It's 72 cubic feet for the Model Y and 64 cubic feet for the ID4. FWIW, the privacy shelf in the ID4 is much better than the one Tesla provides, which is quite annoying to use. Just in case that matters. :) Let me know what you end up with!
um... charge at home takes 2-3 mph.... so if the thing holds 280 miles of charge... it would take you 93 hours to charge??? Come on... this can't be right is it? And the Electrify America deal is also bogus because there aren't any of those chargers around.
Jeff, that’s why you buy a Level 2 charger. Can fully recharge the car in 3-8 hours. At a commercial Level 3 charger, a full charge occurs in 30 minutes. Electrics will be the norm eventually. Fossil fuels are a finite resource.
@@baddingo4243 hahah except it says right in the manual that using fast charging will kill your battery life... which will cost you like $20-30k to replace. I know that when I'm on a road trip... I LOVE having to stop every 300 miles to wait 8 hours to fill up instead of 2 mins filling with gas. Hybrid would be the better way to go. Electric cars have zero chance of long term success. With how few charging locations there are now you would need like 10,000 times that and you still wouldn't even be close. Especially since each spot will be taken up with at least 30 mins to 1 hour. Then just imagine all of those batteries sitting and rotting in landfills. Thennnn remember that you need the lithium to make the batteries and how those are mined... and how there isn't enough of that either.
That type of charging (level 2) isn't for road trips, except for when charging the vehicle overnight at a hotel. DC (level 3) fast charging is much quicker.
20 mph is at a destination charger at a Hotel, or in your garage on a dryer outlet or dedicated 240 volt plug, DC fast charging (level 3) is 0% to 80% in 38 minutes on the ID4, but realistically , you would only charge to the % to get you to the next charger or your destination plus a margin for safety because the car charges faster at lower states of charge.
Or you know.. you get a 220V setup. And get tax rebate for installing that plug which you can run your trailer, motorhome or an air compressor off of as well.
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Electrify Canada really needs to get charging stations up and running and everywhere. Nobody is going to buy any EV when there are no charging stations anywhere . I had to actually call up Electrify America to locate charging stations in Toronto, Canada .
$650???? Good grief
Great video! Very informative! Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words. Glad it was helpful!
Very informative. Thanks and keep up the good work
Thank you so much for the kind words and for watching!
Thanks for the new video. I’m enjoying these. I was originally going to buy a Tesla Model Y, but I’ve switched and ordered an ID.4. I think the VW would suit us better so these videos, including your critiques, are very helpful. Keep it up!
Great tips thanks! Question: I’m not reaching 125kw charging power consistently (at 125 kw or more stations). I would say rarely… Even at 25-35% battery level. It’s on average ranging from 50-90%. I called the dealer and the mechanic told me to use the ID4 gps to condition the battery (!). In such situation, it apparently cool down or warm up (don’t remember exactly) the battery to optimize charging... Never heard of such thing! Never read it too in the owners manual!
Interesting. Thanks for the tip! I don't have any issues at my local Electrify America. I always swipe to charge on the EA app first and then plug in. Otherwise, the charger can have issues communicating with the vehicle causing it to lower the power output. You can find the tip in my "top 4 tips for VW ID4 owners" if you haven't seen it yet! :)
Thanks. Once correction- Nissan Leaf uses ChADMO -- not CCS and not Tesla.
You're correct. :) The Nissan Ariya does use the CCS standard but even the new Leaf does not.
the VW salesman said that there is an adapter that allows a ID4 to use a Tesla charger.
There's not. VW, as of writing, is only one of the only remaining car makers that haven't partnered to get an adapter from Tesla in order to access the Supercharger network, starting in 2024. Tesla has been testing some stations with adapters in the US and Europe but these are very limited right now and it's unclear if they will pursue this strategy long term.
Hi! Great video. Where did you purchase your level one charge to charge at home? I am looking for one. Thank you!
Thank you for watching and the kind words! The level 1 charger came with the ID4. However, I also use this level 2 that plugs into the dryer outlet in my house: geni.us/home-portable-charger
It has a really long cord (26ft) so it works with both of our vehicles. I use this during the cold months to get more range overnight. Make sure you select the outlet type that you have!
The scheduled charging feature in the ID.4 is simply not fit for purpose. I've had mine back to the dealer. There was nothing they could do. There's been no software update since I bought it 6 months ago. If I switch on from indoors it only charges at an attenuated 1kWh rate. I have to go outside at night in all weathers to plug it in in the early morning to take advantage of my low night tariff - then I have to set an alarm at 4:30am to switch it off. I'm in the UK and VW did nothing to correct the wrong information about the Prolife model here. Unlike the one in the states there's no reversing camera or automatically dipping headlights or automatically switching on of windscreen wipers or MW radio. It's a disgrace for a £41k vehicle- I'll be getting a Model Y to replace it with.
Is tesla adapter really working on id.4? Usually charger communities vehicle before starting work, how could the adapter pass such identification?
Hi i got the infos for different types of chargers and since i just got my ID4 X i was planning to use it daily which i would driver around 50 miles and sometimes more if i plan to go somewhere else and long road trips are pretty much impossible here since there is only like 7 cities in this country and the furthest is just 80miles but we wont risk it for long trips we could just use the secondary car. But overall i feel like i would still need a type 2 charger since all of my family members will drive this car primarily so that would probably use a lot of a its mileage in some days at least. So what i was wondering is for this scenario what type of charger do you recommend me to get here (also just so you know we really care about the battery health since the car was imported not much of it exists yet here and we dont have a warranty for it, but on the other side the electricity is pretty cheap here compared to US around 9cents a KwH)
It’s costs me more to charge at home than at a fast charger, I am in the uk. Charging at home is £0.29 per kh, if I go to a high speed charger it’s £0.26 at an Lidl supermarket.
Wow! Sorry to hear that. That's crazy.
Also in the fine print of these cars... it says that 'fast charging' is not recommended all the time and continually fast charging will kill the life of your battery. It doesn't say by how much but that is alarming.
Absolutely, Jeff! Even the dealers don't know this. I test drove a BMW i4 last weekend and they had all of them set to charge at 100% each day. I quickly shifted that down to 80% of them. But you are completely right.
Did not see the cost. ☹️
Thanks for watching! I cover it in this video: ruclips.net/video/cluanRlfxDA/видео.html
What’s the internal KWhr charge capability of the ID4 ?
It has an 11 kW onboard converter.
Excellent video, thank you.
I was all set to buy a 2022 VW ID.4 AWD with the 3-year free charging from Electrify America - BUT - the closest EA charging station from my home was 50-miles! I said I'll wait until 2023 and see if the EA network gets any nearer to my home. Bummer.
Sorry to hear about that. Yes, I hope EA grows very quickly as we need it! Thank you for watching and the kind words. :)
@@evhelphub I'm sure EA will grow. It just needs time. Hopefully, when there is an EA near my home the 3-year free offer is still offered .
had the same conclusion. Seems like a good deal until you realize there are no charging stations anywhere...
Do you know of an adapter to make a CCS charger work for CHADEMO for Nissan Leaf?
Unfortunately, I don't believe there is, Ellie.
I’m thinking of getting a Tesla tap mini, is there a reason you didn’t?
The 80amp I got sort of "future proofs" the device for newer EVs that will be able to accept higher level 2 amps. It doesn't matter for the ID4 but may for cars like the Ioniq 5. We assume in 2-3 years it'll be more useful for that purpose. :)
@@evhelphub I was thinking 60A mini would last the life of the ID4 😸
Definitely!
I was thinking about getting this car and I wanted to ask on here if it was sustainable to only have a level 1 charger for this car and make it work. I would charge it overnight. I would need to get a 240 volt outlet installed to use the level 2 and there seems to be some problems with doing it in my house. Is it possible to only have a level 1 charger and still make it work with this car? Is a level 1 as simple as plugging it into a regular outlet? Finally, does your electric bill go through the roof if you do that? Thank you!
Absolutely, we use the Level 1 charger 95%+ of the time and our ID4 is a daily commuter that travels 40 miles round trip. Level 1 is perfect most of the time, with the only real need for us to use our Level 2 is during winter months when efficiency drops (but still not required at all). Our electric bill is basically unchanged. We pay $0.10/kWh which means our weekly commute of 200 miles costs around $5.00 - $6.00. Yes, for Level 1 charging, all you need to do is plug into a regular wall outlet using the cable provided.
Here's some resources from my website that might help further:
evhelphub.com/charging/do-you-need-ev-home-charging-station/
evhelphub.com/articles/vw-id4-faq/
LMK if you have any other questions. I hope this was helpful!
@@evhelphub thanks so much for the help! How do you find the storage in the car? The Tesla model Y seems to have more storage space than the VW. I’m going to get coming from a VW Atlas so both are small by comparison to that. I’m debating between the i4 and model Y. Based on my research Tesla seems more reliable when it comes to charging and has more space
I've owned a Model Y as well. Here’s how I would break it down:
*The Model Y* has access to the Supercharger network, which is a significant advantage if you plan to road trip a lot (the ID4 will gain access to most Superchargers next year via an adapter though). It includes a heat pump that can improve winter efficiency, and its software is much more advanced. It also has one-pedal driving, although you can't turn off regenerative braking like you can on the ID4. However, the build/material quality of the Model Y is nowhere near as good as the ID4 and some features, like auto high beams and auto wipers, don't work well at all. It lacks basic features such as rear cross-traffic alert and rear automatic emergency braking.
*The ID4* is much better built, with no rattles or panel misalignments, which were issues I experienced day 1 with my Model Y. The interior materials are definitely more durable and don't show signs of wear as quickly as my Teslas did. We carry lumber and supplies in the ID4, no problem. Cargo is perfectly fine. Though the Model Y is marketed to have more range, I'd say the newer ID4's 291 miles is probably about equal to the Model Y's 320 miles in the real-world, Tesla plays with their range numbers more. One big thing to note is that the ID4's software is pretty bad and not close Tesla's. Lots of bugs and laggy responsiveness.
*Here's my recommendation:* If you frequently drive in rural areas or take more than a couple of extended road trips a year, the Model Y is a better choice for the supercharging network access alone. If you want a solidly built vehicle that you primarily charge at home and use as a comfortable commuter to work, the ID4 is better and will have less quality issues.
I hope this helps!
@@evhelphub thank you so much for the insight! I am lucky to where I live close to work and my son’s school so I can average as little as 25-30 miles a day. I’m pretty over on my miles for my VW lease, which they said they would forgive if I got another car from them so I might have no choice but to get the i4. My biggest concern is the trunk space. It looks like it can barely fit my hockey bag or be able to do a family Costco haul
I think we the back seats folded, you should be able to get both the hockey bag and the Costco haul in there. It's 72 cubic feet for the Model Y and 64 cubic feet for the ID4. FWIW, the privacy shelf in the ID4 is much better than the one Tesla provides, which is quite annoying to use. Just in case that matters. :) Let me know what you end up with!
58.7/77 = 76%… 4->80%=76%. I’d say your degradation is negligible. Nice!
um... charge at home takes 2-3 mph.... so if the thing holds 280 miles of charge... it would take you 93 hours to charge??? Come on... this can't be right is it? And the Electrify America deal is also bogus because there aren't any of those chargers around.
If you are using a level 1 home charger (regular wall outlet), it takes 80-90 hours to charge from literally 0% to 100%. It has 250 miles of range.
@@evhelphub which is why electric cars main stream will never work
@@evhelphub That would be like... oh hey I'm out of gas... Guess I can't drive my car for 4 days while it fills up...
Jeff, that’s why you buy a Level 2 charger. Can fully recharge the car in 3-8 hours. At a commercial Level 3 charger, a full charge occurs in 30 minutes. Electrics will be the norm eventually. Fossil fuels are a finite resource.
@@baddingo4243 hahah except it says right in the manual that using fast charging will kill your battery life... which will cost you like $20-30k to replace.
I know that when I'm on a road trip... I LOVE having to stop every 300 miles to wait 8 hours to fill up instead of 2 mins filling with gas.
Hybrid would be the better way to go.
Electric cars have zero chance of long term success. With how few charging locations there are now you would need like 10,000 times that and you still wouldn't even be close. Especially since each spot will be taken up with at least 30 mins to 1 hour.
Then just imagine all of those batteries sitting and rotting in landfills. Thennnn remember that you need the lithium to make the batteries and how those are mined... and how there isn't enough of that either.
20mph? That means you're waiting 8 hours + for a full charge on a road trip. No thanks
That type of charging (level 2) isn't for road trips, except for when charging the vehicle overnight at a hotel. DC (level 3) fast charging is much quicker.
20 mph is at a destination charger at a Hotel, or in your garage on a dryer outlet or dedicated 240 volt plug, DC fast charging (level 3) is 0% to 80% in 38 minutes on the ID4, but realistically , you would only charge to the % to get you to the next charger or your destination plus a margin for safety because the car charges faster at lower states of charge.
30 miles for 15 hours of charging il stick with my Diesel
Or you know.. you get a 220V setup. And get tax rebate for installing that plug which you can run your trailer, motorhome or an air compressor off of as well.